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background: transparent; text-align: left; width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <th>If something looks wrong, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Purge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Purge">purge the server's cache</a>, then <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Bypass your cache">bypass your browser's cache</a>.</th> </tr> <tr> <td>This tends to solve most issues, including improper display of images, user-preferences not loading, and old versions of pages being shown.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="color: inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <th>No, we will not use JavaScript to set focus on the search box.</th> </tr> <tr> <td>This would interfere with usability, accessibility, keyboard navigation and standard forms. See <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3864" class="extiw" title="phab:T3864">task 3864</a>. There is an <code>accesskey</code> property on it (default to <code>accesskey="f"</code> in English). Logged-in users can enable the "Focus the cursor in the search bar on loading the Main Page" gadget <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Preferences?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#mw-prefsection-gadgets" title="Special:Preferences">in their preferences</a>.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="color: inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <th>No, we will not add a spell-checker, or spell-checking <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Bots">bot</a>.</th> </tr> <tr> <td>You can use a web browser such as <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Firefox?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Firefox">Firefox</a>, which has a spell checker.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table style="color: inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <th>If you have problems making your fancy signature work, check <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:How_to_fix_your_signature?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:How to fix your signature">Help:How to fix your signature</a>.</th> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="color: inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <th>If you changed to another skin and cannot change back, use <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:Preferences%26useskin%3Dvector">this link</a>.</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Alternatively, you can press Tab until the "Save" button is highlighted, and press Enter. Using Mozilla Firefox also seems to solve the problem.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="color: inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <th>If an image thumbnail is not showing, try <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Purge?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Purge">purging</a> its image description page.</th> </tr> <tr> <td>If the image is from Wikimedia Commons, you might have to purge there too. If it doesn't work, try again before doing anything else. Some ad blockers, proxies, or firewalls block <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/URL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="URL">URLs</a> containing /ad/ or ending in common executable suffixes. 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If you cannot reach Wikipedia services, see <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue">Reporting a connectivity issue</a>.</th> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div style="text-align:center;"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_archive?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump archive">« Archives</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_198?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 198">198</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_199?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 199">199</a>, <a 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href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DWikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%26action%3Dpurge">purge</a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"> <input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"> <div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label> </div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Link_to_Edit_count/Pie_chart,_no_longer_working">1 Link to Edit count/Pie chart, no longer working</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki">2 Next steps towards OWID visualization within MediaWiki</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Technical_steps_to_get_this_working_on_enwiki">2.1 Technical steps to get this working on enwiki</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Bug_and_feature_ideas">2.2 Bug and feature ideas</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Consensus">2.3 Consensus</a></li> </ul></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Petscan_dead?">3 Petscan dead?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#reqphotos_&_maps">4 reqphotos & maps</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Thumbnail_background">5 Thumbnail background</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Random_vital_articles">6 Random vital articles</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Black_rectangle_instead_of_image">7 Black rectangle instead of image</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Can't_fix_duplicate_sources">8 Can't fix duplicate sources</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Articles_with_math_errors_-_articles_fall_into_a_category_for_no_apparent_reason">9 Articles with math errors - articles fall into a category for no apparent reason</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Maplink_&_Wikidata">10 Maplink & Wikidata</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#large_categories">11 large categories</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Recent_style_change_overnight_perhaps?">12 Recent style change overnight perhaps?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#49-state_US_flag">13 49-state US flag</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Interlanguage_link_issues">14 Interlanguage link issues</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Wikidata_help">15 Wikidata help</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Diff_presentation_change">16 Diff presentation change</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote">17 MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Formatprice_template_says_%22%241000_million%22">18 Formatprice template says "$1000 million"</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Problem_with_warning_on_the_Jimbo_Wales_user_page">19 Problem with warning on the Jimbo Wales user page</a></li> </ul> </div> <div style="clear:both;" id="below_toc"></div> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)">  <h2 id="Link_to_Edit_count/Pie_chart,_no_longer_working" data-mw-thread-id="h-Link_to_Edit_count/Pie_chart,_no_longer_working-20250204133600">Link to Edit count/Pie chart, no longer working</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Link to Edit count/Pie chart, no longer working" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-123" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GreenC-20250215180600-GoodDay-20250210013100">2 days ago</a>5 comments4 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> My <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pcount/index.php?name%3DGoodDay%26lang%3Den%26wiki%3Dwikipedia">Edit records</a> link, no longer functions properly. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GoodDay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GoodDay">GoodDay</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GoodDay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GoodDay">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-GoodDay-20250204133600-Link_to_Edit_count/Pie_chart,_no_longer_working" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Is that an old link? The url should look like this <code>https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/X201</code>. Alternatively, go to the bottom of your Contributions page and click Edit Count. - <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:X201?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:X201">X201</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:X201?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:X201">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-X201-20250204142300-GoodDay-20250204133600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> I was required to sign in but after that your link worked. There was a warning on <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://replag.toolforge.org/">replication lag</a>, which could be causing issues. -- LCU <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a> «<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:ActivelyDisinterested?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:ActivelyDisinterested">@</a>» °<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested">∆t</a>° <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-ActivelyDisinterested-20250204194100-GoodDay-20250204133600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Tried again @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:X201?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:X201">X201</a>: & @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ActivelyDisinterested?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ActivelyDisinterested">ActivelyDisinterested</a>:, by updating to <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/GoodDay">[1]</a>, still won't work. It keeps telling me to log in to continue. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GoodDay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GoodDay">GoodDay</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GoodDay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GoodDay">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-GoodDay-20250210013100-ActivelyDisinterested-20250204194100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> still won't work because "For performance reasons, the requested data is only available to logged-in users" thus you would login to continue. -- <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GreenC?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GreenC">Green</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GreenC?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GreenC">C</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-GreenC-20250215180600-GoodDay-20250210013100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)">  <h2 id="Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki-20250201050600">Next steps towards OWID visualization within MediaWiki</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=2&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Next steps towards OWID visualization within MediaWiki" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-124" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Doc_James-20250213071100-Doc_James-20250208022900">4 days ago</a>33 comments7 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> We at Wiki Project Med have built a method to visualize <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Our_World_in_Data?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Our World in Data">Our World in Data</a> with all material coming from Commons. You can see it functional at <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID%23Way_3_.28current_effort.29" class="extiw" title="mdwiki:WikiProjectMed:OWID">mdwiki:WikiProjectMed:OWID#Way_3_(current_effort)</a>. Wondering if we can get <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.js">this</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-ImageStack-popup.js">this</a> copied to EN WP so we can begin testing here. On MDWiki you should be able to: <ul> <li>scroll through the years of data,</li> <li>if you put your cursor over a country it should highlight and give you the name,</li> <li>if you put your cursor over the ranges bar, it should highlight all the countries in that range,</li> <li>if you click on a country it should pull up a graph of how data has changed in that country over time</li> <li>if you select a region of the world it will zoom into that region</li> </ul> It is built from about 500 seperate images. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250201050600-Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> We are working on improving functionality on mobile as currently this is poor. Just wanting to begin testing here, it is not ready for us in mainspace. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250201051500-Doc_James-20250201050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r996643573">.mw-parser-output .block-indent{padding-left:3em;padding-right:0;overflow:hidden}</style> <div class="block-indent" style="padding-left: 1.6em;"> Notified: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:GADGET?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:GADGET">WT:GADGET</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:IANB?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IANB">WP:IANB</a>. –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207011400-Doc_James-20250201051500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </div> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Technical_steps_to_get_this_working_on_enwiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Technical_steps_to_get_this_working_on_enwiki-Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki-20250207011300">Technical steps to get this working on enwiki</h3> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=3&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Technical steps to get this working on enwiki" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> Hey Doc James. What are the exact technical steps to do this? Having these steps would make this more actionable. Are these the steps? <ul> <li>owidslider <ul> <li>copy <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.js">[2]</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.js&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.js (page does not exist)">MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.js</a></li> <li>copy <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.css">[3]</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.css&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.css (page does not exist)">MediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.css</a></li> <li>copy <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Template:Owidslider">[4]</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Owidslider?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Owidslider">Template:Owidslider</a>, and modify it to include a tracking category</li> <li>copy <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Module:Owidslider">[5]</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Module:Owidslider?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Module:Owidslider">Module:Owidslider</a>, and modify the tracking category it outputs to be <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_gadget_owidslider&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Category:Pages using gadget owidslider (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using gadget owidslider</a> (lines 48 and 215)</li> <li>create tracking category <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_gadget_owidslider&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Category:Pages using gadget owidslider (page does not exist)">Category:Pages using gadget owidslider</a></li> <li>add <code>owidslider [ResourceLoader|default|categories=Pages using gadget owidslider]|owidslider.js|owidslider.css</code> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition">MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition</a>, which will create a <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadget" class="extiw" title="mw:Template gadget">mw:Template gadget</a></li> </ul></li> <li>ImageStackPopup was already imported previously, no action needed</li> </ul> Clicking around the images on the right at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID%23Way_3_.28current_effort.29">https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID#Way_3_.28current_effort.29</a>, it looks like this is a gadget to create color-coded world maps, with each country getting its own color depending on the data, that also has a year scale at the bottom, and hovering over each year in the scale changes the data on the world map? –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207011300-Technical_steps_to_get_this_working_on_enwiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> Yes those would be the next steps. </dd> <dd> Basically there are ~13,000 of these graphs under an open license created by Our World in Data.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ourworldindata.org/data">[6]</a> The gadget in question allows one to move through years of the data visualized by heatmap and than click on specific countries to view of graph of how the data changes for that country over time. </dd> <dd> What one is doing is moving through images that are stored on Commons. You can see all the individual images here.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Template:Owidslider/outdoor_air_pollution">[7]</a> We used to build these from the underlying data itself but the WMF killed that when they killed graphs. We also build similar functionality in two other ways which were mostly rejected by the WMF. </dd> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207012500-Novem_Linguae-20250207011300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Please keep template gadget categories consistent (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Pages_using_gadget?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Pages using gadget">Category:Pages using gadget xxxxxxxxx</a>). — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">xaosflux</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux">Talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Xaosflux-20250207031500-Novem_Linguae-20250207011300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Agreed. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a>, I see the category is currently placed by the module code <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Module:Owidslider">[8]</a>, on lines 48 and 215. Could that be hoisted out so it is placed by the template instead? That'd make it easier to copy paste module updates from mdwiki without messing up the tracking category. –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207032000-Xaosflux-20250207031500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> For sure. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207042600-Novem_Linguae-20250207032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Bug_and_feature_ideas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bug_and_feature_ideas-Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki-20250207011300">Bug and feature ideas</h3> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=4&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Bug and feature ideas" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> A couple issues that jump out at me in my quick testing, but that may not be blockers, are: <ol> <li>At high browser zooms, when you click on the image, it vertically overflows off the screen, and the vertical scroll bar is scrolled to the bottom by default. I think it'd be more intuitive to have it scrolled to the top by default.</li> <li>It doesn't appear you can link these rich images in a URL like you can a normal image. That'd be a cool feature to add. I'd like to be able to drop a link here in this discussion to a specific rich image, then the user clicks it and it loads. This is supported for normal files/images in MediaWiki.</li> <li>The loading 0%, loading 1%, etc. thing at the bottom right of the image takes a long time to load, around 60 seconds, on first load. On second load, it is much quicker. It is unclear what it is loading though. I was able to click around the year slider at the bottom and still have it work, even while it said "loading".</li> </ol> –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207011300-Bug_and_feature_ideas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> <ol> <li>Working to fix this I think, can you send an image of what you mean? Are we talking wide or verticle narrow monitors?</li> <li>Not sure what you mean?</li> <li>It is loading all the individual images that the tool requires to function. As mentioned the problem with this solution to the issue is that it is data heavy. One of the next steps is to improve load time by only loading the world overview to start with and not the subregions.</li> </ol> </dd> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207012800-Novem_Linguae-20250207011300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> To clarify #2, I mean that if I go to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Buff_Cobb?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Buff Cobb">Buff Cobb</a> and click on the first image, the URL changes from <a class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buff_Cobb">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buff_Cobb</a> to <a class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buff_Cobb%23/media/File:Buff_Cobb_1957.JPG">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buff_Cobb#/media/File:Buff_Cobb_1957.JPG</a>. But if I go to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID%23Way_3_.28current_effort.29">https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID#Way_3_.28current_effort.29</a> and click on the first image, the URL stays the same. I have no way to share the image URL here in a way that will instantly load it. Hope that makes sense. –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207013500-Doc_James-20250207012800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Ah sure yes can add that <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207015700-Novem_Linguae-20250207013500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Consensus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Consensus-Next_steps_towards_OWID_visualization_within_MediaWiki-20250207014200">Consensus</h3> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=5&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Consensus" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> Do folks on enwiki want this? To me, it seems a little heavy, but that can be mitigated by making it a <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadget" class="extiw" title="mw:Template gadget">mw:Template gadget</a>. Is probably OK to install. Other thoughts? –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207014200-Consensus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:42, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Note that we already have ImageStackPopup deployed as a template gadget. Fine with deploying OWID as a template gadget too. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Pppery-20250207022200-Novem_Linguae-20250207014200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> I don't think this extremely long loading time meshes very well with the rest of our pages. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">xaosflux</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux">Talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Xaosflux-20250207031700-Novem_Linguae-20250207014200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> We are working to improve how fast it works by only loading the bits people click on. Plus this is how fast it works on MDWiki and EN WP is way more powerful. Would be useful to be able to test it here on EN WP to see how fast it is here. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207034900-Xaosflux-20250207031700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a>: Strong oppose This is <ins>like</ins> a <s><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/DDoS_attack?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="DDoS attack">DDoS attack</a></s> against enwiki. The first example made 226 requests, which <s>would normally set off firewall alerts</s> <ins>seems excessive</ins>. Furthermore, it downloaded 35.51 Mb without warning. What about mobile data users? </dd> <dd> Here is what should have been done: Just use a <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interactive_SVG" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Interactive SVG">c:Category:Interactive SVG</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-173.206.40.108-20250207110800-Novem_Linguae-20250207014200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> You can do this with an interactive SVG? How? </dd> <dd> What are the rules about sizes. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/COVID19_pandemic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="COVID19 pandemic">COVID19 pandemic</a> is 2.2 Mb. We are looking a decrease the initial load by 6 to 8 fold as mentioned above. Plus this only loads when people want an interactive version. </dd> <dd> Loading todays feature picture is 7.7 MB. I imagine we could stipulate how much will be loaded before people progress. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207113900-173.206.40.108-20250207110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Why not? <ol> <li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">scroll through the years of data</q> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Colonisation2.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Colonisation2.svg">File:Colonisation2.svg</a> but with the scroll detection from <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://peripheraldrift.glitch.me/index-nojs.html">[9]</a>. Basically, interactive SVG can hide/show anything on scroll, click, or hover.</li> <li> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">if you put your cursor over a country it should highlight and give you the name</q> Last example of <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.carlos-toruno.com/blog/svg-tooltips/">[10]</a> for the tooltips, and the countries in <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Evolution_of_the_European_Union_SMIL.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Evolution of the European Union SMIL.svg">File:Evolution_of_the_European_Union_SMIL.svg</a> for the highlighting</li> <li> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">if you put your cursor over the ranges bar, it should highlight all the countries in that range</q> Change click to hover in the timeline above <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Evolution_of_the_European_Union_SMIL.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Evolution of the European Union SMIL.svg">File:Evolution_of_the_European_Union_SMIL.svg</a></li> <li> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">if you click on a country it should pull up a graph of how data has changed in that country over time</q> Same as 1, just change to a new image like in <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:SVG_feDisplacementMap_Demo.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:SVG feDisplacementMap Demo.svg">File:SVG feDisplacementMap Demo.svg</a></li> <li> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">if you select a region of the world it will zoom into that region</q> I didn't see this in the first example, but it's the same idea as 4</li> </ol> </dd> <dd> It would load instantly. Data savings come from using <code><defs></code> to not repeat country shapes. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-173.206.40.108-20250207123100-Doc_James-20250207113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Nice thanks. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207125200-173.206.40.108-20250207123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> I was focusing more on load time and request count. But as requested, let's look into sizes: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Death-rate-by-source-from-indoor-air-pollution,World,1990.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:Death-rate-by-source-from-indoor-air-pollution,World,1990.svg">File:Death-rate-by-source-from-indoor-air-pollution,World,1990.svg</a> is 162 KB (Firefox, uncompressed, rounded up). Most of it is country shapes, which don't need to be repeated 226 times. <s>25% appears to be repeated <code> ... <a class="attribute-value"></code></s> <ins>can't find this, might have incorrectly downloaded</ins>, but let's ignore that optimization for simplicity. Interactivity code should be around the same <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mdwiki.org/w/index.php?title%3DMediaWiki:Gadget-owidslider.js%26action%3Dhistory">52 KB as the gadget</a>. 31 years of data is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://api.ourworldindata.org/v1/indicators/940314.data.json">157 KB</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://api.ourworldindata.org/v1/indicators/940314.metadata.json">description</a>). </dd> <dd> In total, 162 + 52 + 157 = 371 KB. A max of 3 MB should be more than enough. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-173.206.40.108-20250207132400-Doc_James-20250207113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> We did not make the svgs but simply downloaded them from OWID. But could definitely look at more efficient processing of them. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250208012400-173.206.40.108-20250207132400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">would normally set off firewall alerts</q>. Are you speaking generally or do you have knowledge of how WMF's firewalls work? By the way you may want to login if you want us to take you seriously. It's hard to judge your <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Mediawiki?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Mediawiki">mediawiki</a> technical experience when you are using an IP account. –<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Novem_Linguae-20250207150000-173.206.40.108-20250207110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">alerts</q> hence I was talking about corporate outbound firewalls, not mediawiki. </dd> <dd> Looking at mediawiki limits now, they appear to be <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Etiquette" class="extiw" title="mw:API:Etiquette">unlimited</a> or <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%2524wgRateLimits" class="extiw" title="mw:Manual:$wgRateLimits">near-unlimited</a> (although the requests weren't to thumb{,_handler}.php, so probably unlimited). </dd> <dd> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">hard to judge</q> It's OK to ignore anything I didn't cite. I'll just strike that part. Aside from the technical details of the potential solution, the rest can be considered to duplicate what Xaosflux and Sohom Datta said. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-173.206.40.108-20250207153200-Novem_Linguae-20250207150000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li>Strong oppose - This is not well designed, a few issues immediately popup:</li> </ul> <dl> <dd> <ul> <li>Extremely high resource usage - Clicking on the first example loads 56 concurrent requests (amounting to a total of 23.9 MB transferred) for images despite there being no significant interaction with the slider itself. In certain cases, the resources never finish fetching and the loading percentage ticker proceeds extremely slowly (even on my beefy laptop connected to fairly fast campus internet). -- Additionally, if these images haven't been rendered before, this level of resource pre-fetching might be prone to creating a outage on the image rendering backend of Wikipedia (<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Thumbor" class="extiw" title="wikitech:Thumbor">Thumbor</a>)</li> <li>Buttons - After clicking around a bit, I was somehow able to get 4 progressive back buttons to show up on the top of my screen. In certain cases, these buttons would be rendered just outside my viewport making it impossible to navigate using the back button. I also wonder why the "return to article" is a progressive call-to-action as opposed to being a quiet cross on the left side as is customary in the OOUI/Wikimedia design language.</li> <li>Unselectable text - The explanation given under the pictures cannot be selected or highighted/copied normally without having to select the whole page. The read-more link doesn't appear to work as well.</li> </ul> </dd> </dl> The second and third issues are potentially fixable, the first being the reason, I'll be strongly opposing this request. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sohom_Datta-20250207124000-Consensus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Yah per the starting comments "Just wanting to begin testing here, it is not ready for us in mainspace" <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250207125800-Sohom_Datta-20250207124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> I guess then my question would be along the lines of "why on enwiki"? -- What feature on enwiki do you plan to test against? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sohom_Datta-20250207140000-Doc_James-20250207125800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> How fast it works for one <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250208005900-Sohom_Datta-20250207140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Strong oppose For two reasons: <ul> <li>Firing this sheer number of requests is really unsustainable honestly, as well as having to upload 100s to 1000s of SVGs for every single graph state.</li> <li>Security vulnerabilities: One of the reasons we don't allow inline rendering of SVGs in MediaWiki is because it is a potential XSS vector. This gadget bypasses this and now as soon as someone finds an SVG XSS filter evasion in MediaWiki, they can run JavaScript on the victims computer when they open the graph, simply by uploading the vulnerable SVG to the Commons image for the default year.</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> I appreciate the effort of MDWiki for trying to utilize the OWID graphs, however I don't think this is the way to do it. </dd> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dylsss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dylsss">Dylsss</a>(<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Dylsss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Dylsss">talk</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dylsss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Dylsss">contribs</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Dylsss-20250207191500-Sohom_Datta-20250207124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> We have a tool that does the batch uploads. So not an issue. We could load images as people request/move through the content to decrease requests. Not sure how it will effect functionality. We were looking at just using <a class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap">https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap</a> as built by <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Tim_Starling?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Tim Starling">User:Tim Starling</a>. Not sure if that would solve the security concerns. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250208013800-Dylsss-20250207191500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Also do we not run appropriate sanitisation of svg uploads to Commons to prevent this? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250208020300-Doc_James-20250208013800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Okay confirmed with someone who was on the security team that svgs are indeed sanitized on upload. And thus one should not be able to replace one we use with a malicious one as outlined. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250208022900-Doc_James-20250208020300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> We have decreased the data amount 7x by only loading a single region initially. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Doc_James-20250213071100-Doc_James-20250208022900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Xaosflux-20250215172000-JoeNMLC-20250215164400">2 days ago</a>6 comments3 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style> <div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"> <div class="hmbox-inner"> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Resolved </div> – Appears to be up again. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">xaosflux</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux">Talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Xaosflux-20250210192600-Petscan_dead?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement 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Is this a temporary glitch, or something more serious? It's part of several workflows I'm currently using. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:The_Anome?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:The Anome">The Anome</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:The_Anome?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:The Anome">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-The_Anome-20250208130800-Petscan_dead?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Try <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://github.com/magnusmanske/petscan_rs/issues/187">this page</a>. This external volunteer run tool has been having some recurring issues. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">xaosflux</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux">Talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Xaosflux-20250208205000-The_Anome-20250208130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> <ul> <li>This appears to be up again. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">xaosflux</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux">Talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Xaosflux-20250210192600-The_Anome-20250208130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></li> </ul> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">Xaosflux</a> — Reporting PetScan Not running today for past sereral hours; was Okay yesterday. Error This web service cannot be reached. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JoeNMLC?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JoeNMLC">JoeNMLC</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JoeNMLC?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JoeNMLC">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-JoeNMLC-20250215164400-Xaosflux-20250210192600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> The link to report errors about that is in my comment above. That utility is not managed by the English Wikipedia. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">xaosflux</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux">Talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Xaosflux-20250215172000-JoeNMLC-20250215164400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)">  <h2 id="reqphotos_&_maps" data-mw-thread-id="h-reqphotos_&_maps-20250209195200">reqphotos & maps</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=7&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: reqphotos & maps" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-126" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Fourthords-20250215183600-SD0001-20250211092500">2 days ago</a>4 comments3 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> Is there any way to take articles which are tagged with {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Photo_requested?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Photo requested">photo requested</a>}} and display them in an interactive map? I've poked around the reqphoto pages, but didn't come across anything. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fourthords?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Fourthords">Fourthords</a> | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fourthords?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fourthords">=Λ=</a> | <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Fourthords-20250209195200-reqphotos_%26_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Wiki Loves Monuments does that kind of stuff. Some places in the photo competition have a coordinate, that gets stored in a <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Monuments database">sql database</a>. That database is then used to show the places <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://wlm-maps.toolforge.org/%232/0.2/0.0">on a map</a>. </dd> <dd> Sorting pages transcluding "template:photo requested" with locational categories would be orders of magnitude simpler. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Snævar">Snævar</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Snævar">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250210192200-Fourthords-20250209195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> Yes. Navigate to the most relevant subcategory in <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_by_location?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia requested photographs by location">Category:Wikipedia requested photographs by location</a> and use the "Map all coordinates using OpenStreetMap" option. – <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SD0001?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SD0001">SD0001</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SD0001?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SD0001">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-SD0001-20250211092500-Fourthords-20250209195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> That's terrific! Exactly the sort of thing I was looking for, thanks!! — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Fourthords?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Fourthords">Fourthords</a> | <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Fourthords?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Fourthords">=Λ=</a> | <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Fourthords-20250215183600-SD0001-20250211092500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)">  <h2 id="Thumbnail_background" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thumbnail_background-20250211225100">Thumbnail background</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=8&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Thumbnail background" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-127" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250214213800-Snævar-20250214140900">2 days ago</a>7 comments3 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> The English Wikipedia used to have white background for thumbnail images with transparency. It was specified explicitly in <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="MediaWiki:Common.css">MediaWiki:Common.css</a> from <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3D%26diff%3D338401578%26oldid%3D">2010</a> until 2017, when that style was <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3D%26diff%3D765412915%26oldid%3D">removed locally</a> because is was implemented globally (<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154077" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T154077">T154077</a>). However, relatively recently that global style for the white background disappeared, so all transparent thumbnails became gray (here and on other Wikipedias as well). I guess that this change was related to introducing the "dark theme" but could not find any explanations why it must result in reducing the contrast in both cases instead of using the appropriate theme-dependent background (white/black, same as the page itself). Does anybody know the story behind this change and whether it was intentional? Is it possible to make specific thumbnails appear "opaque" (having background = page color) without modifying the files? — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mikhail Ryazanov">Mikhail Ryazanov</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250211225100-Thumbnail_background" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> The background for images ended up being 'background-color-interactive-subtle', which is, as you guessed, a dark theme color variable - <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rMW8fb3aa90a23d8d38021cc4631e68d8f81e9e5847%23change-9RMugyfCiDj6" class="extiw" title="phab:rMW8fb3aa90a23d8d38021cc4631e68d8f81e9e5847">change 3</a>. That change had two preceding changes - <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rMWeb4c03179a429ef57bf9f4a2e6049e7d029b95ae" class="extiw" title="phab:rMWeb4c03179a429ef57bf9f4a2e6049e7d029b95ae">change 1</a> and <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rMW28062181f9b2b27ab5ad0804a0f2c7db40e5fa11" class="extiw" title="phab:rMW28062181f9b2b27ab5ad0804a0f2c7db40e5fa11">change 2</a>. </dd> <dd> You could override the style in a similar way english wikipedia did originally in common.css, just add additional declarations to it to make it apply to one image only. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Snævar">Snævar</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Snævar">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250211231700-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250211225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:ADSR_parameter.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"> <noscript> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/220px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="120" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1100" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 220px;height: 120px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/220px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png" data-width="220" data-height="120" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/330px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/440px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> <figcaption> Plain </figcaption> </figure> </dd> <dd> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1034237262">.mw-parser-output .stack{box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .stack>div{margin:1px;overflow:hidden}@media all and (min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .stack-clear-left{float:left;clear:left}.mw-parser-output .stack-clear-right{float:right;clear:right}.mw-parser-output .stack-left{float:left}.mw-parser-output .stack-right{float:right}.mw-parser-output .stack-margin-clear-left{float:left;clear:left;margin-right:1em}.mw-parser-output .stack-margin-clear-right{float:right;clear:right;margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .stack-margin-left{float:left;margin-right:1em}.mw-parser-output .stack-margin-right{float:right;margin-left:1em}}</style> <div class="stack mw-stack stack-right"> <div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:ADSR_parameter.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"> <noscript> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/220px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="120" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1100" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 220px;height: 120px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/220px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png" data-width="220" data-height="120" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/330px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/440px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> <figcaption> In <code>{{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Stack?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Stack">stack</a>}}</code> </figcaption> </figure> </div> </div> </dd> <dd> <figure class="mw-default-size skin-invert" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:ADSR_parameter.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"> <noscript> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/220px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="120" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1100" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 220px;height: 120px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/220px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png" data-width="220" data-height="120" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/330px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/ADSR_parameter.svg/440px-ADSR_parameter.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> <figcaption> With <code>class=skin-invert</code> </figcaption> </figure> </dd> <dd> Could you please clarify how to override the background for a specific thumbnail? </dd> <dd> The only relevant thing I've found in the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Class" title="Wikipedia:Extended image syntax">documentation</a> is <code>class=skin-invert</code> to allow "inverting" the image colors in the dark mode (technically, apply <code>filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg)</code>, which should be equivalent to inverting the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Luma_(video)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Luma (video)">luma</a>). This, however, is also problematic because the dark-mode background is inverted with the image, and it actually is redefined to hard-coded value <code>#c8ccd1</code>, which makes the gray line in this example image practically invisible (what is even more weird, when I've tried to place these images inside <code>{{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Stack?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Stack">stack</a>}}</code> or <code>{|class="floatright" ...</code>, their backgrounds in the dark mode became very different). This particular image is perhaps not an example of how to make good images but it is kind of illustrative in the sense that many images with transparent background are intended to be displayed over white background (or that the user will choose the background wisely) rather than arbitrary shades of gray. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mikhail Ryazanov">Mikhail Ryazanov</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250212070800-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250211231700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Like this - use a unique class each time: </dd> <dd> <div class="potato">[[File:Example.png|thumb]]</div> </dd> <dd> with the following CSS: </dd> <dd> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"> <pre>.potato figure[typeof~='mw:File/Thumb'], .potato figure[typeof~='mw:File/Frame'] { enter css values here } </pre> </div><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Snævar">Snævar</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Snævar">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250214140900-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250212070800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> OK, but where "the following CSS" should go? — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mikhail Ryazanov">Mikhail Ryazanov</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250214213800-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250214140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Probably this is something we could ask to change upstream. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Izno?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Izno?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Izno-20250212001400-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250211225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> I also hope so. Would you please take care of this? — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mikhail Ryazanov">Mikhail Ryazanov</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mikhail_Ryazanov?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mikhail_Ryazanov-20250212070800-Izno-20250212001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)">  <h2 id="Random_vital_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Random_vital_articles-20250212005000">Random vital articles</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=9&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Random vital articles" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-128" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Interstellarity-20250214134700-Qwerfjkl-20250214131500">3 days ago</a>6 comments4 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> On the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Vital articles">WP:Vital articles</a> pages for each level, there is a random article button on each level as well as each category. Originally, the random article button was for the top-level categories beginning with <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_level-1_vital_articles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Wikipedia level-1 vital articles">Category:Wikipedia level-1 vital articles</a>, level 2, level 3, and so on, but the articles are now sorted by article quality and category. I put a temporary solution in to combine multiple categories into one, but I am hoping for a solution that randomizes the vital articles better. I particularly like this feature of vital article for two reasons. Obviously, one is to improve the articles, but I also find it a neat way to read random articles as a reader. Any ideas on how I can do this? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Interstellarity">Interstellarity</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Interstellarity">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Interstellarity-20250212005000-Random_vital_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> As far as I know, this is not possible. Categories can be infinitely deep, so you cannot 'randomly' select something from them. That's why using subcategories is often not a good idea and have multiple categories is better, especially when you are essentially applying labels to something. —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-TheDJ-20250212101600-Interstellarity-20250212005000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> It's not a one-button solution and there's a bit of a learning curve, but <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:PetScan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:PetScan">PetScan</a> can do this. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?sortby%3Drandom%26categories%3DWikipedia%2Blevel-3%2Bvital%2Barticles%26depth%3D2%26ns%255B1%255D%3D1%26project%3Dwikipedia%26doit%3D">All talk pages descending from Category:Wikipedia level-3 vital articles (depth 2) in random order</a>. —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Cryptic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Cryptic-20250212104500-Interstellarity-20250212005000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Cryptic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> Where can I ask for help using this tool to create a button? The only thing I've been able to do is for the articles to go into mainspace rather than talk space, which is a step in the right direction, but it's not what I'm looking for in the final outcome. I am hoping that whatever help you can provide me, whether it's asking somewhere else or from you, that would be great. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Interstellarity">Interstellarity</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Interstellarity">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Interstellarity-20250213153800-Cryptic-20250212104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Interstellarity">Interstellarity</a>, here? This is the technical village pump. For instance, under Other sources > Namespaces you can select "Change to talk page". — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Qwerfjkl">Qwerfjkl</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Qwerfjkl?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Qwerfjkl">talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Qwerfjkl-20250214131500-Interstellarity-20250213153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> That's not what I wanted. I wanted to the random articles to go to the main namespace, not the talk namespace. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Interstellarity">Interstellarity</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Interstellarity?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Interstellarity">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Interstellarity-20250214134700-Qwerfjkl-20250214131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)">  <h2 id="Black_rectangle_instead_of_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Black_rectangle_instead_of_image-20250212094900">Black rectangle instead of image</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=10&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Black rectangle instead of image" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-129" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Redrose64-20250212224300-TheDJ-20250212101100">4 days ago</a>3 comments3 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> The image on <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Nad%C3%ADn_Ospina?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Nadín Ospina">Nadín Ospina</a> appears as a solid black rectangle when I view it on my desktop (Edge + Vector Legacy (2010)) If I click on the rectangle it takes me to the image file, which I can see, and I can see it on my phone. I've tried zooming in and out, and rebooting my PC, but it is still a black rectangle. I this a known problem? - <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Arjayay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Arjayay">Arjayay</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Arjayay?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Arjayay">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Arjayay-20250212094900-Black_rectangle_instead_of_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> This happens when the original image has incorrect or missing metadata for the color transform or something. Someone with some skill in image editing, will have to pull that image through an image editor to fix it and upload a new version. —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-TheDJ-20250212101100-Arjayay-20250212094900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Academic, since the image has been deleted as a copyvio. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Redrose64-20250212224300-TheDJ-20250212101100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)">  <h2 id="Can't_fix_duplicate_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can't_fix_duplicate_sources-20250212190500">Can't fix duplicate sources</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=11&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Can't fix duplicate sources" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-130" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Nthep-20250213095200-Gtoffoletto-20250212204300">4 days ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/SpaceX_Starship?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="SpaceX Starship">SpaceX Starship</a> has a lot of duplicated sources such as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Cite error: The named reference "Sesnic-2021" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).</q> However inspecting the code I can't find this duplicate definition (there are multiple such cases in the reflist). What am I missing? Thanks {{u|<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gtoffoletto?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gtoffoletto">Gtoffoletto</a>}}  <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gtoffoletto?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gtoffoletto">talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Gtoffoletto-20250212190500-Can't_fix_duplicate_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gtoffoletto?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gtoffoletto">Gtoffoletto</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/SpaceX_Starship?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="SpaceX Starship">SpaceX Starship</a> is transcluding sections from <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/SpaceX_Super_Heavy?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="SpaceX Super Heavy">SpaceX Super Heavy</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/SpaceX_Starship_(spacecraft)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="SpaceX Starship (spacecraft)">SpaceX Starship (spacecraft)</a> both of which have references with the same names. So, when they appear in the same article, you're getting the cite error message. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nthep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nthep">Nthep</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nthep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nthep">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Nthep-20250212192000-Gtoffoletto-20250212190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> thanks! Quick fix is to change the references to something more unique? {{u|<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gtoffoletto?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gtoffoletto">Gtoffoletto</a>}}  <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Gtoffoletto?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Gtoffoletto">talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Gtoffoletto-20250212204300-Nthep-20250212192000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Gtoffoletto?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Gtoffoletto">Gtoffoletto</a> yep. You'd need to choose one of the articles content is transcluded from and create a totally unique set of reference names. I'd suggest leaving a note on the talk page as to why, in case someone else thinks you're doing some sort of cosmetic edit. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nthep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nthep">Nthep</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nthep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nthep">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Nthep-20250213095200-Gtoffoletto-20250212204300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)">  <h2 id="Articles_with_math_errors_-_articles_fall_into_a_category_for_no_apparent_reason" data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_with_math_errors_-_articles_fall_into_a_category_for_no_apparent_reason-20250213083200">Articles with math errors - articles fall into a category for no apparent reason</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=12&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Articles with math errors - articles fall into a category for no apparent reason" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-131" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-CiaPan-20250214075300-Matma_Rex-20250213161000">3 days ago</a>10 comments4 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1264776157">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;width:12em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#EAECF0);color:var(--color-base,#202122);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked-closure{color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:var(--color-success,#14866d)}</style> <div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"> Tracked in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270348" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T270348"> Task T270348</a> </div> I've recently noticed the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Articles_with_math_errors?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Articles with math errors">Category:Articles with math errors</a> with ~20 articles in it. Found out some of them actually were displaying red messages about some LaTeX/MathJax syntax errors, but the math appeared correct when I inspected the source and the edit preview was OK even though I didn't touch the <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><math></code> tags' contents. Purging the page with the asterisk-link did not help, but the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NULLEDIT?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NULLEDIT">null edit</a> cleaned up the situation. So I started to pick those pages one by one and apply null edits to them. After a few such actions I started to make micro-changes (adding or deleting some space) just to leave a track in their history. You can see them in <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial%253AContributions%26target%3DCiaPan%26start%3D2025-02-08%26end%3D2025-02-10">my contributions list 8–10 Feb 2025</a>. This cleaned up the category. Two days later I looked at it again and to my surprise I found another four or five articles in it. Today it's nine. And none of them displays any maths error. How do they get there? What's even more strange, the pages listed in the category do not display the link to it in their 'Categories:' footer... What am I missing??? --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-CiaPan-20250213083200-Articles_with_math_errors_-_articles_fall_into_a_category_for_no_apparent_reason" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> There are currently 8 pages in the category. One of them (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wick%27s_theorem?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wick's theorem">Wick's theorem</a>) is currently showing an error (please do not purge the article until others have had a chance to inspect). It is showing: <dl> <dd> Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): </dd> <dd> Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") </dd> <dd> from server "<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/">http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/</a>":): </dd> <dd> {\displaystyle \hat{a}_i^\bullet \,\hat{a}_j^{\dagger\bullet}= \hat{a}_i\, \hat{a}_j^\dagger \,- \mathopen{:}\,\hat{a}_i\,\hat{a}_j^\dagger \,\mathclose{:}\, = \delta_{ij} \hat{\mathbf 1}} </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> My guess is that a reader viewing the page is causing it to be rendered at a time when some server overload means that the math extension is unable to do its work. Someone here may be able to comment on whether a cause is known or, if not, how it should be reported. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Johnuniq?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Johnuniq-20250213091000-CiaPan-20250213083200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Johnuniq?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a>: The <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wick%27s_theorem?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wick's theorem">Wick's theorem</a> article did not show me the error you saw, neither when I looked at all of them during writing my questions above, nor now, when I saw your comment and verified the page. Possibly our browsers use different caching servers and mine delivers a complete version while yours keeps the result of some partially failed processing...? --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-CiaPan-20250213120700-Johnuniq-20250213091000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> BTW, if you see a text with the math processing error, do you also see a link to the category at the bottom of the article? --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-CiaPan-20250213121000-Johnuniq-20250213091000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Yes, the article displayed the error message I quoted and showed it in the hidden error category. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Johnuniq?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Johnuniq-20250214000100-CiaPan-20250213121000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> A <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:PURGE?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PURGE">purge</a> only updates the page itself including which categories are listed at the bottom of the page. A <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:NULL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NULL">null edit</a> or other edit also updates the link tables which control whether the page is listed on category pages. Some automatic actions can also cause a purge or something equivalent without updating link tables, or they may be updated with a long delay. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PrimeHunter?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-PrimeHunter-20250213102300-CiaPan-20250213083200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PrimeHunter?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a>: Ah, OK, so this explains the asymmetry in linking between the article and a category. Thank you. :) <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-CiaPan-20250213121500-PrimeHunter-20250213102300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Johnuniq?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PrimeHunter?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a>: Looks like the category got emptied... --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-CiaPan-20250213153500-CiaPan-20250213083200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> This problem is reported in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270348" class="extiw" title="phab:T270348">T270348</a>, I don't think anybody has figured out why it happens yet. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Matma_Rex?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Matma_Rex-20250213161000-CiaPan-20250213083200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Matma_Rex?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a>: <abbr title="Surprised face" style="border-bottom: none;"> <noscript> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-surprise.svg/18px-Face-surprise.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-surprise.svg/18px-Face-surprise.svg.png" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-surprise.svg/27px-Face-surprise.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-surprise.svg/36px-Face-surprise.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </abbr> Thank you for the Phab link and your comment. I really don't know, how to comment this situation. I guess, I'm going to drop this topic... --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-CiaPan-20250214075300-Matma_Rex-20250213161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)">  <h2 id="Maplink_&_Wikidata" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maplink_&_Wikidata-20250213132700">Maplink & Wikidata</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=13&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Maplink & Wikidata" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-132" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Dajasj-20250214112800-Dajasj-20250214112500">3 days ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> I am trying to replicate <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Maplink?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Raw_Wikidata_query_examples" title="Template:Maplink">Template:Maplink#Raw_Wikidata_query_examples</a>, but with other data. I have <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://w.wiki/D4L9">this query</a> that returns a map in the Wikidata Query Service. However, it does not if I put i into <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dajasj/sandbox?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dajasj/sandbox">User:Dajasj/sandbox</a>. I noticed that the example returns the Q-numbers of the articles, but even that does not give me a map. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong or clarify what the query should return? Thanks in advance! <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dajasj?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dajasj">Dajasj</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Dajasj?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Dajasj">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Dajasj-20250213132700-Maplink_%26_Wikidata" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> I cases like this. Simplify it until it works, then make it more complex again. It seems there is syntax error somewhere (probably due to templates and sparql syntax getting mixed). —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-TheDJ-20250214111000-Dajasj-20250213132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Hi @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheDJ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a>, thanks for your advice! I tried that, see the second example on <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dajasj/sandbox?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dajasj/sandbox">User:Dajasj/sandbox</a>. This was the most simple version I could make, which I think is similar to the example. However still two things happen that are unexpected: not all municipalities show up (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://w.wiki/D4v%2524">here what the query does</a>) and the one that does, has a shape that is not even available on that Wikidata page as far as I can see (<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q849566" class="extiw" title="d:Q849566">d:Q849566</a> only has <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:Ten_Boer_(1841).map" class="extiw" title="c:Data:Ten Boer (1841).map">c:Data:Ten_Boer_(1841).map</a>). So that's why I am already confused what my query should return. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dajasj?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dajasj">Dajasj</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Dajasj?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Dajasj">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Dajasj-20250214112500-TheDJ-20250214111000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> (You also mention a syntax error, did you see an error message somewhere that I might have missed?) <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Dajasj?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Dajasj">Dajasj</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Dajasj?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Dajasj">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Dajasj-20250214112800-Dajasj-20250214112500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)">  <h2 id="large_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-large_categories-20250213181200">large categories</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=14&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: large categories" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-133" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Usernamekiran-20250213192800-MusikAnimal-20250213185400">4 days ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> Hello. Similar to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Biography_articles_of_living_people?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Biography articles of living people">Category:Biography articles of living people</a> what are some categories that contain either article pages, or their talk-pages? the linked category has approximately 1,167,004 pages. I am looking for categories with 100k + articles. Recursive/container categories would be welcome too. —usernamekiran <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Usernamekiran-20250213181200-large_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> You may find <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MostLinkedCategories?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:MostLinkedCategories">Special:MostLinkedCategories</a> helpful. — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:MusikAnimal?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:MusikAnimal">talk</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-MusikAnimal-20250213185400-Usernamekiran-20250213181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> <dl> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:MusikAnimal?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>: thanks. This is indeed helpful. I may have a question for you after a couple of months on a different matter. See you around. —usernamekiran <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Usernamekiran-20250213192800-MusikAnimal-20250213185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)">  <h2 id="Recent_style_change_overnight_perhaps?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_style_change_overnight_perhaps?-20250213221100">Recent style change overnight perhaps?</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=15&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Recent style change overnight perhaps?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-134" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Maile66-20250213221100-Recent_style_change_overnight_perhaps?">3 days ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> I have Modern skin. I work on Firefox, Microsoft Edge and Chrome. Firefox and Edge have always served me well, and look identical in their edit screens. Something weird happened with both Firefox and Edge edit screens overnight. As of this morning, they both seem to have synchronized with Chrome. Teeny type with backgrounds of purple (lavender), yellow and white. The edit window type style is much smaller, requiring me to use a magnifying glass. How did this happen? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Maile66?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Maile66?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Maile66-20250213221100-Recent_style_change_overnight_perhaps?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)">  <h2 id="49-state_US_flag" data-mw-thread-id="h-49-state_US_flag-20250214220100">49-state US flag</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=16&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: 49-state US flag" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-135" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Chowbok-20250215025800-Jlwoodwa-20250215022600">2 days ago</a>5 comments4 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> I happened to be looking at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:US_flag_49_stars.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="File:US flag 49 stars.svg">File:US flag 49 stars.svg</a>, and I noticed it's included in a lot of Olympic athletes' pages, including ones too young to have competed in the 1960 Olympics, the only one where it would be appropriate. Is this incorrectly included in a template somewhere? I tried to go down the rabbit hole of Olympic template inclusions but quickly got lost.—<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Chowbok?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Chowbok">Chowbok</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Chowbok?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Chowbok">☠</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Chowbok-20250214220100-49-state_US_flag" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> The flag is updated on July 4 following the admission of new states to the Union since the previous July 4. Alaska was admitted on January 3, 1959 and Hawaii on August 21, 1959 so the 49-star flag was in use from July 4, 1959 until July 3, 1960. The <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/1960_Summer_Olympics?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="1960 Summer Olympics">1960 Summer Olympics</a> took place in August-September 1960, by which time the 50-star flag was in use. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Redrose64-20250215000500-Chowbok-20250214220100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-88" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Chowbok?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Chowbok">Chowbok</a>: As the edit notice for this page says: "Where did you encounter the problem? Please add links when possible." The flag had 50 stars at the 1960 Olympics but 49 at the 1959 Pan American Games so it could for example be articles displaying {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Footer_Pan_American_Champions_4x100m_Men?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Footer Pan American Champions 4x100m Men">Footer Pan American Champions 4x100m Men</a>}}. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PrimeHunter?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-PrimeHunter-20250215000600-Chowbok-20250214220100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> I checked the first article in the <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DSpecial:WhatLinksHere/File:US_flag_49_stars.svg%26namespace%3D0%26hideredirs%3D1%26hidelinks%3D1%26hidetrans%3D1">WhatLinksHere list</a>, which was <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Brian_Boitano?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Brian Boitano">Brian Boitano</a>; its only use of the 49-star flag was from the transclusion of {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:NavigationOlympicFigureSkatingChampionsMen?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:NavigationOlympicFigureSkatingChampionsMen">NavigationOlympicFigureSkatingChampionsMen</a>}}. That template uses it just once: for the American winner of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Figure_skating_at_the_1960_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_singles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Figure skating at the 1960 Winter Olympics – Men's singles">Figure skating at the 1960 Winter Olympics – Men's singles</a>, an event that took place in February 1960. This all seems correct to me. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Jlwoodwa-20250215022600-Chowbok-20250214220100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Aha. I gotcha. Thanks!—<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Chowbok?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Chowbok">Chowbok</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Chowbok?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Chowbok">☠</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Chowbok-20250215025800-Jlwoodwa-20250215022600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-91" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(14)">  <h2 id="Interlanguage_link_issues" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interlanguage_link_issues-20250215005200">Interlanguage link issues</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=17&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Interlanguage link issues" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-136" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Snævar-20250216094300-Chipmunkdavis-20250216030700">1 day ago</a>13 comments6 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> In the page <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Oura_Health?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Oura Health">Oura Health</a> there is an instance of an Interlanguage link, per: <ul> <li>{{Interlanguage link|English article title|language code|Title in foreign language}}</li> </ul> In this case, it is: <ul> <li>{{ill|io-tech|fi|io-tech}}</li> </ul> Per: <ul> <li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFLaine2024" class="citation web cs1 cs1-prop-foreign-lang-source">Laine, Petrus (2024-10-04). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.io-tech.fi/uutinen/oura-health-julkaisi-uuden-sukupolven-oura-ring-4-alysormuksen/">"Oura Health julkaisi uuden sukupolven Oura Ring 4 -älysormuksen"</a> [Oura Health launches new generation Oura Ring 4 smart ring] (in Finnish). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Io-tech&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Io-tech (page does not exist)">io-tech</a> [<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/io-tech" class="extiw" title="fi:io-tech">fi</a>]. Retrieved 2025-02-14.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=unknown&rft.btitle=Oura+Health+julkaisi+uuden+sukupolven+Oura+Ring+4+-%C3%A4lysormuksen&rft.pub=io-tech%3Cspan+class%3D%22noprint%22+style%3D%22font-size%3A85%25%3B+font-style%3A+normal%3B+%22%3E+%26%2391%3Bfi%26%2393%3B%3C%2Fspan%3E&rft.date=2024-10-04&rft.aulast=Laine&rft.aufirst=Petrus&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.io-tech.fi%2Fuutinen%2Foura-health-julkaisi-uuden-sukupolven-oura-ring-4-alysormuksen%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AVillage+pump+%28technical%29" class="Z3988"></li> </ul> While this page does not exist in the English Wikipedia, it does exist in Finish Wikipedia project, however, it shows as a redline link (page does not exist). So, since there is no corresponding English Wikipedia page, it occurred to me to delete the English title, per: <ul> <li>{{ill||fi|io-tech}}</li> </ul> But this produced an error. At <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Interlanguage_link?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Interlanguage link">Template:Interlanguage link</a> page, there is a note below: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style> <blockquote class="templatequote"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236298596">.mw-parser-output .fake-heading{color:var(--color-emphasized,#000000);background:none;margin:0;overflow:hidden;padding-bottom:0.17em;page-break-after:avoid;padding-top:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h1,.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h2{border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.25em;margin-top:1em;padding:0;font-family:"Linux Libertine","Georgia","Times","Source Serif Pro",serif;line-height:1.375}body.skin-monobook .mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h1,body.skin-monobook .mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h2{font-family:inherit;line-height:inherit}body.skin-timeless .mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h1,body.skin-timeless .mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h2{border-bottom:3px solid #c8ccd1}.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h1{font-size:1.8em}body.skin-timeless .mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h1{font-size:2em}.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h2{font-size:1.5em}body.skin-timeless .mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h2{font-size:1.8em}.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h3,.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h4,.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h5,.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h6{font-weight:bold;margin-top:0.3em;margin-bottom:0;padding-bottom:0;line-height:1.6}.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h3{font-size:1.2em}.mw-parser-output .fake-heading.h4{font-size:100%}</style> <div class="fake-heading h3"> Non-existent foreign article </div> On Wikipedia, links to nonexistent pages normally show as <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:REDLINK?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDLINK">red links</a>. There is no way for this template, or any code on Wikipedia, to check <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions%23%23ifexist" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions">whether an article on another language's Wikipedia exists</a>. Links to all foreign-language articles, including nonexistent foreign-language articles, show as blue links. </blockquote> ... yet it shows as a red link... Typically, one would add an Interlanguage link precisely because no corresponding Wikipedia page exists in the home language (in this case, English) - yet it appears that in order to link to another Wikipedia language page one is required to supply the name of the (non-existent) English Wikipedia page. This would appear to be a Catch-22 situation. The implication would then appear to be that it is necessary to create an English Wikipedia page to address this issue - but that would not only require undue effort on behalf of editors, but it would also defeat the purpose of linking to another Wikipedia project page. Surely, there must be a simple and intuitive way to link to other language Wikipedia pages - no? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enquire">Enquire</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enquire">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Enquire-20250215005200-Interlanguage_link_issues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> It is perfectly acceptable to have a red link when the English Wikipedia would benefit from having an article on that topic. Having a red link for the English WP associated with an interlanguage link may be regarded as a request for the creation of an article on that topic in the English WP. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Alt.Donald_Albury?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Alt.Donald Albury">Alt.Donald Albury</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Alt.Donald_Albury?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Alt.Donald Albury">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Alt.Donald_Albury-20250215021200-Enquire-20250215005200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> I support encouraging editors to create pages in new Wikipedia that mirror pages in other languages - but I would have expected that Interlanguage links would take the Wikipedia reader to the referenced other language Wiki page. As is, visitors would be forgiven by thinking that the link is broken and/or that no such page exists. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enquire">Enquire</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enquire">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Enquire-20250215064100-Alt.Donald_Albury-20250215021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> I can see that the blue link that is the interlanguage link after the red link is may not be sufficiently obvious. Perhaps that link can be made more obvious to the casual reader, but I'm not sure what would work. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Alt.Donald_Albury?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Alt.Donald Albury">Alt.Donald Albury</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Alt.Donald_Albury?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Alt.Donald Albury">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Alt.Donald_Albury-20250215071500-Enquire-20250215064100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:REDDEAL?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDDEAL">Red links are not prohibited</a>. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Redrose64-20250215124800-Enquire-20250215064100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Now I see it. I support encouraging users to create Wiki articles in their home language but, as @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Alt.Donald_Albury?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Alt.Donald Albury">Alt.Donald Albury</a> noted, the cited ILL is not at all obvious - I admit that I, myself, did not notice that before I started this thread. That maybe is (in part) because, in this instance, due to kerning, fi appears quite narrow. </dd> <dd> In consequence, I would like to propose that the ILL template be modified. Currently, as in this example, the ILL renders as: <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Io-tech&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Io-tech (page does not exist)">io-tech</a> [fi]</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> Instead, I propose that the template be amended to render as follows: <ul> <li><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Io-tech&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Io-tech (page does not exist)">io-tech</a> [fi:io-tech]</li> </ul> </dd> <dd> In this way it is quite clear that, while an English Wikipedia page does not exit (red line link) that a Finnish Wikipedia page does. Also, this would evidence reciprocity in as much as the syntax for the (red line) English page (which does not exist) is the same as for the Finnish page (which does exist). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enquire">Enquire</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enquire">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Enquire-20250215203500-Redrose64-20250215124800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> I would prefer <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Io-tech&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="Io-tech (page does not exist)">io-tech</a> [<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/io-tech" class="extiw" title="fi:io-tech">finnish</a>], getting "finnish" from the "fi" language code is easy with {{#language:fi|en}}. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Snævar">Snævar</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Snævar">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250215215600-Enquire-20250215203500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Það myndi líka virka. [That would also work.] <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enquire">Enquire</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enquire">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Enquire-20250215224000-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250215215600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Recall that the displayed text should be readily understood by readers, and so personally I don't think the literal interlanguage wikitext link should be displayed. I suggest <samp style="padding-left:0.4em; padding-right:0.4em; color:var( --color-subtle, #666666);">(Finnish)</samp> would be simplest (using <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{#language:language_code|en}}</code> as suggested by Snævar to generate the language). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Isaacl-20250216004900-Enquire-20250215203500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Either way would address the issue. As is currently, it is not clear and intuitive as to how to access the available (existing) interlanguage Wikipedia article. Note, there would be no need to invoke an interlanguage Wikipedia page if the home language (in this instance, English) page existed - and so, it follows, that the link to Wikipedia page that actually exists (in this instance, Finnish) is clearly identified. </dd> <dd> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Enquire">Enquire</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Enquire?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Enquire">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Enquire-20250216011600-Isaacl-20250216004900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-101" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> The purpose of keeping the interlanguage link small, similar in size to the ubiquitous reference numbers, is presumably to not interrupt the flow of prose when used in article text while also indicating to readers that there is something additional to the text they may want to look at. Creating a large "(Finnish)" or similar would affect readability, as well as not fixing the stated problem. The most likely way a reader would interpret anything written in the same size and formatting as normal prose is as prose, which in this case would be thinking that "(Finnish)" means that "io-tech" is a Finnish word. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Chipmunkdavis-20250216030700-Enquire-20250216011600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-102" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> It is not really about the length, but rather about how long the reader lingers on the Finnish language code vs. the language name. It may be common for people from United States or New Zealand (apparently) to learn about language codes, but language codes are not taught in grade school or at a secondary education level where I come from. I do not think understanding language codes is something that is taught in Europe. Language codes are definitely one of the things I have learned by being on Wikipedia. As such, an non Wikipedian reader that is European would linger more on the language code, and gets interrupted by it, than he would with the language name. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Snævar">Snævar</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sn%C3%A6var?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Snævar">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Sn%25C3%25A6var-20250216094300-Chipmunkdavis-20250216030700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> If you want to create an interlanguage link without an en.wiki redlink, use the applicable iso code as a namespace. For example, <code>[[:fi:io-tech|io-tech]]</code> makes <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/io-tech" class="extiw" title="fi:io-tech">io-tech</a>. The ill template is specifically intended to create an en.wiki redlink, which may prompt an article creation, and then to hide the interlanguage links automatically when the redlinked article is created (without articles using ill to link to the former redlink needing to be edited). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Chipmunkdavis-20250216031300-Enquire-20250215005200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)">  <h2 id="Wikidata_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikidata_help-20250215122900">Wikidata help</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=18&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Wikidata help" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-137" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Ca-20250216065700-Cryptic-20250216033000">1 day ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> Hello, I noticed that many of enwiki's Korea-related articles lack Hangul-script redirect, like <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%EC%A3%BC%EC%B2%B4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="주체">주체</a> for the transliterated title <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Juche?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Juche">Juche</a>. I already got Petscan to give me a list of articles in Category:Korea that transclude hangul templates <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid%3D31871180">https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=31871180</a>]. From this list, what would be the simplest way to get their respective Korean titles? I imagine I would use Wikidata for this, but I only know basic python. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Ca?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Ca">Ca</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Ca?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Ca">talk to me!</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Ca-20250215122900-Wikidata_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-105" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Petscan is down again, as it seems wont to be; but if what you did to get your list of pages can be done in a single local database query - some things Petscan does can't, like pulling from a pagepile or from Wikidata - I can turn that into a list of interlanguage links. I take it you looked for mainspace pages in the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Korea?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Korea">Category:Korea</a> tree transcluding any of a list of templates? Which ones? What max depth? Any other constraints? Or if you made a copy of the list before Petscan died and link to them all from a user subpage, I can work from that. —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Cryptic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Cryptic-20250215174800-Ca-20250215122900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> ...and it's back up. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/90806" class="extiw" title="quarry:query/90806">quarry:query/90806</a> → <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Ca/ko_links?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Ca/ko links">User:Ca/ko links</a>. —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Cryptic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Cryptic-20250216033000-Cryptic-20250215174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement 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change" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-138" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Mandruss-20250216190500-Isaacl-20250216155200">1 day ago</a>9 comments4 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235781174"> <div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"> <div class="hmbox-inner"> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Resolved </div> – User error. ―<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mandruss">Mandruss</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mandruss">☎</a> IMO. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mandruss-20250216090600-Diff_presentation_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </div> I'm seeing a dramatic change in the presentation of diffs, hiding the wikitext code in favor of something probably closer to VE (I don't know since I've never looked at VE). <ul> <li>Did I miss discussion about this?</li> <li>Is there a user pref that I can use to return to the old way?</li> </ul> ―<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mandruss">Mandruss</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mandruss">☎</a> IMO. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mandruss-20250216080000-Diff_presentation_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Sounds like <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Diffs" class="extiw" title="mw:VisualEditor/Diffs">mw:VisualEditor/Diffs</a>. Unless you've hidden or otherwise restyled them, there should be enormous "Visual" and "Wikitext" buttons wasting your screen space towards the upper right. Click on the Wikitext one. —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Cryptic?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Cryptic-20250216084400-Mandruss-20250216080000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Lol. Stray click, I guess. What would I do without VPT? ―<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mandruss">Mandruss</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mandruss">☎</a> IMO. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mandruss-20250216090600-Cryptic-20250216084400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> <dd> I agree with <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">wasting</q> and this would be better as a user pref, which would prevent future occurrences of this same error, this same confusion, and this same VPT thread. But whatever, that's a discussion for a different time and a different page. ―<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mandruss">Mandruss</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mandruss">☎</a> IMO. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mandruss-20250216092100-Cryptic-20250216084400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> If you use MonoBook skin, and can <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Oxford/108" class="extiw" title="m:Meetup/Oxford/108">wait some hours</a>, I can dig up all the little tweaks that I have made (mainly in my user style sheets) in order to keep my diffs looking exactly the same as they did in 2009/10. I started doing this when Vector was dumped on us: some of its features occasionally spill over to MonoBook. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Redrose64-20250216094400-Mandruss-20250216092100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> I don't use Monobook, but in any case I dislike personal tweaks and prefer to remain as "vanilla" as possible. I even try to limit my use of scripts/gadgets to things that really—really—help me, like the one that converts timestamps to my local time. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/KISS_principle?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="KISS principle">The simpler my environment, the less trouble</a>, as I see it. ―<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mandruss">Mandruss</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mandruss">☎</a> IMO. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mandruss-20250216111900-Redrose64-20250216094400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> I will use both views depending on circumstance, and sometimes switching back and forth, and thus personally I appreciate having a toggle present on the diff page. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Isaacl-20250216155200-Mandruss-20250216092100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> Not a problem. Supportable with a user pref with three options: Visual, Wikitext, or Toggle. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Have_it_your_way?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Have it your way">Have it your way</a>. ―<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mandruss">Mandruss</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Mandruss?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Mandruss">☎</a> IMO. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Mandruss-20250216190500-Isaacl-20250216155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-117" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)">  <h2 id="MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote" data-mw-thread-id="h-MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote-20250216231500">MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=20&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-139" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-GTrang-20250216231500-MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote">20 hours ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> The formatting of log entries at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Log/rights?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Log/rights">Special:Log/rights</a> has changed to show exactly which user rights were added or removed, instead of just showing the lists of all the old groups and all the new groups following <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369466" class="extiw" title="phab:T369466">phab:T369466</a>. But the log entries automatically granting extended confirmed rights still follow the old format. This should perhaps be fixed by editing or deleting <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote">MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:GTrang?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:GTrang">GTrang</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:GTrang?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:GTrang">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-GTrang-20250216231500-MediaWiki:Logentry-rights-autopromote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-118" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)">  <h2 id="Formatprice_template_says_"$1000_million"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Formatprice_template_says_"$1000_million"-20250217075800">Formatprice template says "$1000 million"</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=21&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Formatprice template says "$1000 million"" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-140" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Anomie-20250217122500-Smuckola-20250217075800">7 hours ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> Hi all. Ideally there'd be a way to combine and automate the whole final inflation statement I want to see in prose, that I already had to break into three different templates. Here's where I am: <code>approximately {{US$|474 million|long=no}} (equivalent to ${{formatprice|{{inflation|US|474000000|1993|r=3}}}} in {{Inflation-year|USD}})</code> If not, can someone suggest a way to correct the <code>${{formatprice|{{inflation|US|474000000|1993|r=3}}}} in {{Inflation-year|USD}}</code> syntax that generates the weird output "$1000 million" upon the rendered page? It needs to say "$1 billion", lol. Should I, at least temporarily, manually use expr and the word "billion" without violating <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:OR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>? Is it not OR if the numerical lead is calculated? <code>approximately {{US$|474 million|long=no}} (equivalent to ${{formatnum:{{#expr:{{inflation|US|474000000|1993|r=3}}/1000000000 round 0}}}} billion in {{Inflation-year|USD}})</code> The examples above are for <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Crystal_Pepsi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Crystal Pepsi">Crystal Pepsi</a> where it doesn't work, and I don't know why <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1951?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Great Flood of 1951">Great Flood of 1951</a> does seem to work. And I wish both could be one template! ;) Long ago, I scoured for a fix and posted an unanswered comment on the template's Talk page <a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Format_price%23Format_price_broken_for_certain_large_numbers">here</a>. @<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>: I was hoping you'd know. Thanks! — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Smuckola?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Smuckola">Smuckola</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Smuckola?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Smuckola">(talk)</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Smuckola-20250217075800-Formatprice_template_says_%2522%25241000_million%2522" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-119" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl> <dd> You're getting "$1000 million" because the value of <code>{{inflation|US|474000000|1993|r=3}}</code> is currently 999756738.079. So first {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Format_price?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Format price">format price</a>}} decides that's best expressed "999.756738079 million" and then it rounds that up to "1000 million". A workaround might be to do <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|r=-6</code> to round the inflation value to millions before it's passed to {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Format_price?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Format price">format price</a>}}, like <code>{{formatprice|{{inflation|US|474000000|1993|r=-6}}}}</code> → 1 billion. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Anomie?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Anomie">Anomie</a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Anomie?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Anomie">⚔</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Anomie-20250217122500-Smuckola-20250217075800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-120" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)">  <h2 id="Problem_with_warning_on_the_Jimbo_Wales_user_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_with_warning_on_the_Jimbo_Wales_user_page-20250217192300">Problem with warning on the Jimbo Wales user page</h2> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=22&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Problem with warning on the Jimbo Wales user page" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id="ooui-php-141" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"></a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Jonesey95-20250217193400-67.20.1.4-20250217192300">just now</a>2 comments2 people in discussion </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> in the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jimbo Wales">User:Jimbo_Wales</a> page there is a warning box that doesn't show up properly if the user is in dark mode, on account of some of the text being the same color as the background. since I wasn't Sure how to fix the problem and the talk page was semi protected, I came here. is this a matter of just shifting the text or background color or is this a more complex problem with dark mode itself? (this is the warning I was referring to:) <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238436933"> <table class="plainlinks ombox ombox-notice" role="presentation" style="border:1px solid blue; background-color:#DEEEF4; color:var(--color-base, inherit); border-radius:15px; border-collapse:separate; border-spacing: 0px; margin-left:0; margin-right:0;"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td> <td class="mbox-text" style="font-size:85%; text-align:center;">This is a Wikipedia <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:User_pages?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:User pages">user page</a>. This is not an encyclopedia article or the talk page for an encyclopedia article. 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Someone added a custom background color without specifying the text color. – <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)%23c-Jonesey95-20250217193400-67.20.1.4-20250217192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-122" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="interlanguage-link-target">Kurdî</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-la mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Nuntii_Technici" title="Vicipaedia:Nuntii Technici – Latin" lang="la" hreflang="la" data-title="Vicipaedia:Nuntii Technici" data-language-autonym="Latina" data-language-local-name="Latin" class="interlanguage-link-target">Latina</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%25C3%25A9dia:Kocsmafal_(m%25C5%25B1szaki)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Magyar</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a 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href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE:%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A5%2580/%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%2582%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595_%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A4%25B6%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25A8" title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/तांत्रिक प्रश्न – Marathi" lang="mr" hreflang="mr" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/तांत्रिक प्रश्न" data-language-autonym="मराठी" data-language-local-name="Marathi" class="interlanguage-link-target">मराठी</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kopi_(teknikal)" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (teknikal) – Malay" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (teknikal)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="Malay" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bahasa Melayu</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki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title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (နည်းပညာ) – Burmese" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (နည်းပညာ)" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="Burmese" class="interlanguage-link-target">မြန်မာဘာသာ</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SHEIC" title="Wikipedia:SHEIC – Dutch" lang="nl" hreflang="nl" data-title="Wikipedia:SHEIC" data-language-autonym="Nederlands" data-language-local-name="Dutch" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nederlands</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE:%25E0%25A4%259A%25E0%25A5%258C%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A5%2580_(%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25A7%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (प्राविधिक) – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (प्राविधिक)" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target">नेपाली</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ce mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2592%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B8:%25D0%25A4%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2583%25D0%25BC/%25D0%25A2%25D0%25B5%25D1%2585%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD" title="Википеди:Форум/Техникин – Chechen" lang="ce" hreflang="ce" data-title="Википеди:Форум/Техникин" data-language-autonym="Нохчийн" data-language-local-name="Chechen" class="interlanguage-link-target">Нохчийн</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-frr mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://frr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:T%25C3%25A4chnik" title="Wikipedia:Tächnik – Northern Frisian" lang="frr" hreflang="frr" data-title="Wikipedia:Tächnik" data-language-autonym="Nordfriisk" data-language-local-name="Northern Frisian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nordfriisk</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uz mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://uz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Forum/Texnik_savollar" title="Vikipediya:Forum/Texnik savollar – Uzbek" lang="uz" hreflang="uz" data-title="Vikipediya:Forum/Texnik savollar" data-language-autonym="Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча" data-language-local-name="Uzbek" class="interlanguage-link-target">Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pfl mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://pfl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Palatine German" lang="pfl" hreflang="pfl" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Pälzisch" data-language-local-name="Palatine German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Pälzisch</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-blk mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://blk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E1%2580%259D%25E1%2580%25AE%25E1%2580%2581%25E1%2580%25AE%25E1%2580%2595%25E1%2580%25AE%25E1%2580%25B8%25E1%2580%2592%25E1%2580%25AE%25E1%2580%25B8%25E1%2580%259A%25E1%2580%25AC%25E1%2580%25B8:Village_pump_(%25E1%2580%25A1%25E1%2580%2594%25E1%2580%259A%25E1%2580%25BA%25EA%25A9%25BB%25E1%2580%2595%25E1%2580%258A%25E1%2580%25AC%25E1%2582%258F)" title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အနယ်ꩻပညာႏ) – Pa'O" lang="blk" hreflang="blk" data-title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အနယ်ꩻပညာႏ)" data-language-autonym="ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ" data-language-local-name="Pa'O" class="interlanguage-link-target">ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%2588%25D9%258A%25DA%25A9%25D9%258A%25D9%25BE%25DB%2590%25DA%2589%25D9%258A%25D8%25A7:%25D8%25A8%25D9%2586%25DA%2589%25D8%25A7%25D8%25B1%25DA%2581%25D8%25A7%25DB%258C/%25D8%25AA%25D8%25AE%25D9%2586%25D9%258A%25DA%25A9" title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/تخنيک – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/تخنيک" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target">پښتو</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nds mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Low German" lang="nds" hreflang="nds" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Plattdüütsch" data-language-local-name="Low German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Plattdüütsch</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie_techniczne" title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie techniczne – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie techniczne" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Polski</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%25C3%25A9dia:Caf%25C3%25A9_dos_programadores" title="Wikipédia:Café dos programadores – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Café dos programadores" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Português</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ksh mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ksh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technische_Krom" title="Wikipedia:Technische Krom – Colognian" lang="ksh" hreflang="ksh" data-title="Wikipedia:Technische Krom" data-language-autonym="Ripoarisch" data-language-local-name="Colognian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ripoarisch</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rm mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://rm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Novitads_da_tecnica" title="Wikipedia:Novitads da tecnica – Romansh" lang="rm" hreflang="rm" data-title="Wikipedia:Novitads da tecnica" data-language-autonym="Rumantsch" data-language-local-name="Romansh" class="interlanguage-link-target">Rumantsch</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2592%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B8%25D1%258F:%25D0%25A4%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2583%25D0%25BC/%25D0%25A2%25D0%25B5%25D1%2585%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B8%25D1%2587%25D0%25B5%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B9" title="Википедия:Форум/Технический – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Технический" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Русский</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2591%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B8%25D1%258D%25D0%25B4%25D1%258C%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B9%25D1%258D:%25D0%259A%25D1%258D%25D0%25BF%25D1%2581%25D1%258D%25D1%2582%25D1%258D%25D1%2580_%25D1%2581%25D0%25B8%25D1%2580/%25D0%25A2%25D0%25B5%25D1%2585%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B8%25D1%2587%25D0%25B5%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D1%258D%25D0%25B9" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Техническэй – Yakut" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Техническэй" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="Yakut" class="interlanguage-link-target">Саха тыла</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AA%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%25A1%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%25A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE:%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A4%25A8%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25A4%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%2582%25E0%25A4%25B6%25E0%25A4%25B8%25E0%25A4%25AD%25E0%25A4%25BE" title="विकिपीडिया:तन्त्रांशसभा – Sanskrit" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:तन्त्रांशसभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="Sanskrit" class="interlanguage-link-target">संस्कृतम्</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sq mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hap%25C3%25ABsira_teknike" title="Wikipedia:Hapësira teknike – Albanian" lang="sq" hreflang="sq" data-title="Wikipedia:Hapësira teknike" data-language-autonym="Shqip" data-language-local-name="Albanian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Shqip</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-scn mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://scn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti" title="Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti – Sicilian" lang="scn" hreflang="scn" data-title="Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti" data-language-autonym="Sicilianu" data-language-local-name="Sicilian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sicilianu</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25E0%25B7%2580%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%25B4%25E0%25B7%2593%25E0%25B6%25A9%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%25BA%25E0%25B7%258F:%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B7%259D%25E0%25B6%25B4%25E0%25B7%2592_%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B6%25A9%25E0%25B7%259A_(%25E0%25B6%25AD%25E0%25B7%258F%25E0%25B6%259A%25E0%25B7%258A%25E0%25B7%2582%25E0%25B6%25AB%25E0%25B7%2592%25E0%25B6%259A)" title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (තාක්ෂණික) – Sinhala" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (තාක්ෂණික)" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="Sinhala" class="interlanguage-link-target">සිංහල</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%2588%25DA%25AA%25D9%258A%25D9%25BE%25D9%258A%25DA%258A%25D9%258A%25D8%25A7:%25D8%25B5%25D9%2584%25D8%25A7%25D8%25AD_%25D9%2585%25D8%25B4%25D9%2588%25D8%25B1%25D9%2588/%25D9%25BD%25D9%258A%25DA%25AA%25D9%2586%25D9%258A%25DA%25AA%25D9%2584" title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/ٽيڪنيڪل – Sindhi" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/ٽيڪنيڪل" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="Sindhi" class="interlanguage-link-target">سنڌي</a></li> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sk mw-list-item"><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%25C3%25A9dia:Kaviare%25C5%2588/Technick%25C3%25A9" title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Technické – Slovak" lang="sk" hreflang="sk" data-title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Technické" data-language-autonym="Slovenčina" data-language-local-name="Slovak" 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