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<ul id="toc-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Beatles hook removed from Main Page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">13 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>DYK that sounds like advertising</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Corsican protests</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ErrantX's_new_stat_tool"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>ErrantX's new stat tool</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_pageview_stats_tool" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_pageview_stats_tool"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>New pageview stats tool</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-New_pageview_stats_tool-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Page view stats has a temporary fix</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Can old TFA appear as DYK?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Madonna</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Food related hooks in image slots</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-International_Women's_Day_hooks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#International_Women's_Day_hooks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>International Women's Day hooks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-International_Women's_Day_hooks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Women's_hooks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Women's_hooks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Women's hooks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Women's_hooks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lame_hooks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lame_hooks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Lame hooks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">14 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Lame_hooks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>More DYK that sounds like advertising</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Prep_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prep_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Prep 3</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Prep_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>OTRS pending an image dealbreaker?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <ul id="toc-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Template:Did you know/Queue/2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Prep_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prep_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Prep 4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">22 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Prep_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Protected edit request on 11 February 2016</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Queue 2 Hindustani music overload</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Prep 4 (Grammy Awards night)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MOS_fix_in_Queue_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>MOS fix in Queue 4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Old nominations needing DYK reviewers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Electioneering_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Electioneering_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Electioneering question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Electioneering_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Test_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Test_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Test page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Test_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-edit_request:_"has_been"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#edit_request:_"has_been""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>edit request: "has been"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-edit_request:_"has_been"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Earwig's copyvio detector is down</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-T:DYK_not_updated" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#T:DYK_not_updated"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>T:DYK not updated</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-T:DYK_not_updated-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Upcoming_anniversary_review_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Upcoming anniversary review request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Prep_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prep_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Prep 2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Prep_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Picture_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Picture_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Picture for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Picture_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fossil_eggs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fossil_eggs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Fossil eggs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Fossil_eggs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Chestnut cake in Queue 2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Help in slightly modifying the hook of an article promoted to the prep area</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Template:Did you know nominations/State road D915 (Turkey)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Removed hook from mainpage: Worsley hook had dubious claim</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Checking_daily_views" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Checking_daily_views"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Checking daily views</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">24 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Checking_daily_views-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Tweak needed for current Queue</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Black_History_Mth" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Black_History_Mth"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Black History Mth</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Black_History_Mth-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Note_to_prep_builders" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Note_to_prep_builders"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Note to prep builders</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Note_to_prep_builders-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Electioneering_question_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Electioneering_question_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Electioneering question 2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Electioneering_question_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Article that was at DYK under a different title has been renominated for DYK</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Copyvio article removed from Queue 2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Stats_working_now?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Stats_working_now?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Stats working now?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Stats_working_now?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>DYKUpdateBot malfunction?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nominated_article_has_been_moved" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nominated_article_has_been_moved"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Nominated article has been moved</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Nominated_article_has_been_moved-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Counting number of DYK nominations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Comment_about_hook_in_prep3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Comment about hook in prep3</span> </div> </a> <span 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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>Queue 1 - Hetty Reckless</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">19 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speaking_of_women's_history" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speaking_of_women's_history"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Speaking of women's history</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Speaking_of_women's_history-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>Carl Edgar Myers in prep 1</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Duplicate_DYK_entry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Duplicate_DYK_entry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>Duplicate DYK entry</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Duplicate_DYK_entry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can't_edit_the_nom?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can't_edit_the_nom?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>Can't edit the nom?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Can't_edit_the_nom?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>Dubious claim in queue 5</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ruth_M._Gardiner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ruth_M._Gardiner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>Ruth M. Gardiner</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ruth_M._Gardiner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Error_in_Prep_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Error_in_Prep_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Error in Prep 4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Error_in_Prep_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#International_Women's_Day_prep_sets"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>International Women's Day prep sets</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Renominating_an_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Renominating_an_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>Renominating an article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Renominating_an_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Prep 4: International Women's Day hooks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Harnoncourt" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Harnoncourt"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Harnoncourt</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Harnoncourt-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Electioneering_rule?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Electioneering_rule?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>Electioneering rule?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">14 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Electioneering_rule?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>Norrie May-Welby nomination rejection</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Corrected hook on Main Page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Queues_empty,_preps_full" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Queues_empty,_preps_full"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>Queues empty, preps full</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Queues_empty,_preps_full-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_is_almost_overdue" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_is_almost_overdue"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>DYK is almost overdue</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-DYK_is_almost_overdue-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Please_be_more_careful" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Please_be_more_careful"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>Please be more careful</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Please_be_more_careful-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Queue_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Queue_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>Queue 3</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Queue_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Queue_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Queue_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>Queue 5</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Queue_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Queue_6_is_broken" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Queue_6_is_broken"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>Queue 6 is broken</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Queue_6_is_broken-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Copyvio_sources" 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class="vector-toc-link" href="#Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>Old nominations needing DYK reviewers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anniversary_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anniversary_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Anniversary request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Anniversary_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_nomination" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_nomination"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span>DYK nomination</span> 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z"></span>Removed from main page: ... that Polyclonoolithus is one of the only dinosaur eggs known from the Hekou Group in Gansu?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Polyclonoolithus" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Polyclonoolithus"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span>Template:Did you know nominations/Polyclonoolithus</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Ashorocetus" title="User:Ashorocetus">Ashorocetus</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin">Kevmin</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Casliber</a>:</span> </p><p>What does that even mean? "... that Polyclonoolithus is one of the only dinosaur eggs known from the Hekou Group in Gansu?" </p><p>Please, can someone dissect this sentence grammatically? To me, it looks to be an unhappy marriage of two or three ideas crammed into a single hook. </p><p>Feel free to readd it when corrected, I didn't see an easy way to phrase it comprehensibly without losing one or more of the probably intended meanings (only a few eggs are known from the Hekou Group, Polywhatever is only known from eggs from that group, Polyagain is the only recognised dino from those eggs...) Perhaps something like "That Poly is only known from dinosaur eggs from the Hekou Group in Gansu"? <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z"></span>It may not be primary-schoo-simple, but it in no way seems incoherent. It's more a case of you failing to read the article. Polyclonoolithus is not a dinosaur, it's a family of <i>eggs</i> (see <a href="/wiki/Dinosaur_egg#Classification" title="Dinosaur egg">Dinosaur egg#Classification</a>, linked in the very first sentence of the article). Hekou Group is a rock formation, which is in Gansu. This is pretty much the same, grammatically, as saying "badgers are one of the only known carnivores from Ireland". How this somehow came to be considered worthy of removal is beyond me. <a href="/wiki/User:Grapple_X" title="User:Grapple X"><b>G<small>RAPPLE</small></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grapple_X" title="User talk:Grapple X"><b><small><sup>X</sup></small></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T16:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z"></span>I concur with Grapple. There is nothing wrong with the hook. It seems perfectly intelligible to me.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-01T17:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z"></span>But it is not "one of the few" or "one of the many", it is the only oogenus known from there at all. There are a few eggs known (as in shells), and one oogenus. But you can't use both at once. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z"></span>I see your point, having now read the article. The hook fact is not accurate as written and should not have been given an approval tick. That said, the writing of the hook was fine in terms of clarity which was the issue originally brought here. Nice catch on the factual error. A new hook should be proposed. Best.<a href="/wiki/User:4meter4" title="User:4meter4">4meter4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4meter4" title="User talk:4meter4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z"></span>Well, I thought that the discrepancy between the hook and the article was simply due to a poorly written hook, as it sounded strange to my ears. Not being a native English speaker, I demur to you (plural) that from a grammatical point of view, there was nothing wrong with the hook. It has since been reinstated (which I can understand, seeing the above), but now we have found that there is a problem with it anyway... It would be good if some other people gave their opinion as well, I don't feel comfortable removing it a second time. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:BorgQueen" title="User:BorgQueen">BorgQueen</a>:</span>, like I just said, no problem with your revert, but considering the comments since, I'ld like your opinion on this as well please. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z-4meter4-2016-02-01T17:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span>Actually the article IS correct, <i>Polyclonoolithus</i> (italics people >.> ) is the only described oogenus from the Geologic formation. NO other oogenera have yet been described, making the hook accurate. Fram, please actually read the articles before claiming inaccuracy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin"><span style="color:#120A8F;">Kev</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevmin" title="User talk:Kevmin"><span style="color:#228B22;">min</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kevmin" title="Special:Contributions/Kevmin">§</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-01T22:09:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z"></span>To be clear, other eggs are known from the Hekou group (just no identified oogenera), so the hook is accurate as stated. The eggs discovered in 2009 were mentioned in the "Discovery" section of the article. <a href="/wiki/Ashorocetus" title="Ashorocetus">Ashorocetus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ashorocetus" title="User talk:Ashorocetus">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus" title="Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-01T22:09:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-01T22:09:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-01T22:09:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin">Kevmin</a>:</span>, please don't assume that I haven't read the article before I claimed inaccuracy. "One of the only" means (in a rather confusing way) that there are others; since no others have been described, we don't know if there are others or not (other eggs have been found, could be from the same oogenus, <i>we don't know</i> and apparently no one does. You wouldn't write "one of the only" if there only was one, I hope. No idea why this hook couldn't be written in an unambiguous way instead of this confusing and rather misleading one. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-01T19:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z"></span>It would be misleading to say "the only" because there are other eggs known from the site which have not been classified as <i>Polyclonoolithus</i>. Anyway it's a little late to worry about it now. Sorry about all the confusion, I could have made it clearer, you're right. <a href="/wiki/Ashorocetus" title="Ashorocetus">Ashorocetus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ashorocetus" title="User talk:Ashorocetus">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus" title="Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T07:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z"></span>No, that's why I would have done a hook saying something like "that the only known Poly... dinosaur egg comes from the Hekou Group" or something similar, to avoid all problems and get the interesting fact across more clearly. Water under the bridge, opinions can differ and all that. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span>Gosh..been busy IRL and look what I've missed. I did read through it when promoting it and felt it was ok...but it was late and the article is a bit tricky to follow in places...<a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, I'm not a great writer. <a href="/wiki/Ashorocetus" title="Ashorocetus">Ashorocetus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ashorocetus" title="User talk:Ashorocetus">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus" title="Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-02T01:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-1"></span>Well, I'm not as great a reader as I thought, so I guess it's time for a grouphug ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T14:45:00.000Z-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T21:24:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z"></span>:D <a href="/wiki/Ashorocetus" title="Ashorocetus">Ashorocetus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ashorocetus" title="User talk:Ashorocetus">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus" title="Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T21:24:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T21:24:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ashorocetus-2016-02-02T21:24:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-02T14:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-02T22:04:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span>Everyone, try harder. Case closed. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-02T22:04:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-02T22:04:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-02T22:04:00.000Z-Removed_from_main_page:_..._that_Polyclonoolithus_is_one_of_the_only_dinosaur_eg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="200_character_limit" data-mw-thread-id="h-200_character_limit-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-200_character_limit-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span>200 character limit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-200_character_limit-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z-200_character_limit"></span>Does the 200 character limit for length of hooks include wikimarkup? You know, the '''[[]]''' at minimum, plus any other brackets needed to link other articles? Also, does it include spaces? And if we pipe a link, does it include the hidden part of the link, or just what is visible to the reader? ~ <i><a href="/wiki/User:ONUnicorn" title="User:ONUnicorn"><span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span></a></i><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ONUnicorn" title="User talk:ONUnicorn">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn" title="Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn">Contribs</a>)</sup><small><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:P%26S" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:P&S">problem solving</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z-200_character_limit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z-200_character_limit"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z-200_character_limit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span>It's 200 visible characters, so it doesn't include any of that.--<span style="background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold"><a href="/wiki/User:Launchballer" title="User:Launchballer"><span style="color:#00F;">Laun</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Launchballer" title="User talk:Launchballer"><span style="color:#00F;">chba</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Launchballer" title="Special:Contributions/Launchballer"><span style="color:#00F;">ller</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T00:18:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z"></span>It does include visible spaces, but as Launchballer notes, not any of the behind-the-scenes wikimarkup, just the actual visible characters. The initial ellipsis and space are not counted in the total, but the final question mark is. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T00:18:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T00:18:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T00:18:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Queue 5: Insert Name Here<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here"></span>Can some people please check the Queue5 hook for <a href="/wiki/Insert_Name_Here" title="Insert Name Here">Insert Name Here</a>? <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/For_What_It%27s_Worth_(game_show),_Insert_Name_Here" title="Template:Did you know nominations/For What It's Worth (game show), Insert Name Here">Template:Did you know nominations/For What It's Worth (game show), Insert Name Here</a>. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Launchballer" title="User:Launchballer">Launchballer</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Lemuellio" title="User:Lemuellio">Lemuellio</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>... that although <a href="/wiki/Sandi_Toksvig" title="Sandi Toksvig">Sandi Toksvig</a>'s takeover of <a href="/wiki/QI" title="QI">QI</a> made her the first female to front a UK panel show, <a href="/wiki/Sue_Perkins" title="Sue Perkins">Sue Perkins</a>' <i><b><a href="/wiki/Insert_Name_Here" title="Insert Name Here">Insert Name Here</a></b></i> was broadcast first?</li></ul> <p>A) What is meant is the first UK <b>TV</b> panel show (see e.g. <i><a href="/wiki/The_News_Quiz" title="The News Quiz">The News Quiz</a></i> for a much earlier UK Radio panel show hosted by the same Sandi Toksvig) </p><p>B) What is meant is the first female to <b>regularly</b> front a panel show: e.g. <i><a href="/wiki/Have_I_Got_News_for_You" title="Have I Got News for You">Have I Got News for You</a></i> has had multiple women to front the show, but none of them were a regular host </p><p>C) Why is <i><a href="/wiki/A_Question_of_Sport" title="A Question of Sport">A Question of Sport</a></i> not a panel show? </p><p>D) If C doen't count, what about <i><a href="/wiki/What_the_Dickens" title="What the Dickens">What the Dickens</a></i>, hosted by ... Sandi Toksvig? </p><p>It seems as if a completely new hook will have to be found for this one... Oh well, at least I have learned that Stephen Fry will be replaced by Sandi Toksvig! <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z-Queue_5:_Insert_Name_Here"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Those of us with long memories will recall Sandi Toksvig hosting the "Sandwich Quiz" on <a href="/wiki/No._73" title="No. 73">No. 73</a> several decades ago, but calling that a "panel show" is stretching it a bit. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:27:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I cannot verify it myself, but another reviewer extracted this from the source: "the first female host of a mainstream comedy TV panel show". My guess is that The Times author doesn't consider A Question of Sport a panel show and doesn't consider the other ones as mainstream. I admit it seems confusing, but we'd need a reliable source that disputes this. Such as classifying A Question of Sport as a comedy panel show. I think it's pretty obvious to anyone familiar to British TV that it is both hosted by a woman and "mainstream". <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:27:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:27:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:27:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.ca/books?id=bHAFCwAAQBAJ"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Page 110</a> classifies it as a Panel Show. This should be pulled. I'm not sure if The Times got this one completely wrong or were trying to be overly precise. Either way, I don't think there's any unambiguous solution. My preferred solution is to go with the original hook proposed in the nomination, which would require editing <i>For What It's Worth</i> in queue 4. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T15:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/14/stephen-fry-step-down-presenter-bbc-qi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z"></span>[1]</a> "There are other BBC panel shows with women presenters – including Sue Barker on BBC1’s A Question of Sport and Victoria Coren on BBC2’s Only Connect. However, these shows are not strictly of the “comedy” variety, although their devotees may beg to differ. " So at least this reliable source disagrees with the hook as written. And of course we make a bit of a fool of ourselves if a DYK hook contradicts our own articles, like <a href="/wiki/List_of_British_game_shows#Panel_games" title="List of British game shows">List of British game shows#Panel games</a>. Yes, most sources support the claim in the hook, though with added qualifiers. Even so, most were ranging from debatable to flat-out wrong. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-03T15:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z"></span>The Times remark, and any further reproduction of that fact, can be blamed on John Lloyd, who first came out with it and was consequentially paraphrased. You can probably just add the phrase "mainstream comedy TV" to the hook.--<span style="background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold"><a href="/wiki/User:Launchballer" title="User:Launchballer"><span style="color:#00F;">Laun</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Launchballer" title="User talk:Launchballer"><span style="color:#00F;">chba</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Launchballer" title="Special:Contributions/Launchballer"><span style="color:#00F;">ller</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T15:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z"></span>To any sysops, please remove this and re-open the nomination before it reaches the Main Page in six hours. I've also requested this at the errors page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z-Launchballer-2016-02-03T16:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T07:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z"></span>The hook has been removed, but that leaves <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/5" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/5">Queue 5</a> short a hook. Since the removed hook was in the quirky spot, perhaps the quirky hook from <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_4" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 4">Prep 4</a> would do the trick, assuming the prep hasn't been promoted to queue by that point? <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T07:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T07:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T07:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-04T05:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z"></span>Beatles hook removed from Main Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span>Not having learned anything from my previous removal of a hook from the main page, I have now done it again... <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kali-Sa%E1%B9%87%E1%B9%AD%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87a_Upani%E1%B9%A3ad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad">Template:Did you know nominations/Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad</a> </p><p><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Nvvchar" title="User:Nvvchar">Nvvchar</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ms_Sarah_Welch" title="User:Ms Sarah Welch">Ms Sarah Welch</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Johanna" title="User:Johanna">Johanna</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>... that a Beatles' recording by <a href="/wiki/John_Lennon" title="John Lennon">John Lennon</a> and <a href="/wiki/George_Harrison" title="George Harrison">George Harrison</a> of the <a href="/wiki/Sanskrit" title="Sanskrit">Sanskrit</a> <a href="/wiki/Mantra" title="Mantra">mantra</a> verses in the <i><b><a href="/wiki/Kali-Sa%E1%B9%87%E1%B9%AD%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87a_Upani%E1%B9%A3ad" title="Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad">Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad</a></b></i> topped the music charts in Europe in 1969?</li></ul> <p>As said on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ERRORS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ERRORS">WP:ERRORS</a>, it wasn't a Beatles' recording (this isn't even claimed in the article) and it didn't top the charts (it made the top twenty in two countries and "did well" in another). <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:41:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span>As far as I can tell, John Lennon also had no hand in the recording of this single (also according to <a href="/wiki/The_Radha_Krsna_Temple_(album)#"Hare_Krishna_Mantra"_single" title="The Radha Krsna Temple (album)">The Radha Krsna Temple (album)#"Hare Krishna Mantra" single</a>. Not a lot of this hook actually remains after fact-checking. </p> <ul><li>... that a recording by <a href="/wiki/George_Harrison" title="George Harrison">George Harrison</a> of the <a href="/wiki/Sanskrit" title="Sanskrit">Sanskrit</a> <a href="/wiki/Mantra" title="Mantra">mantra</a> verses in the <i><b><a href="/wiki/Kali-Sa%E1%B9%87%E1%B9%AD%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87a_Upani%E1%B9%A3ad" title="Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad">Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad</a></b></i> charted in a few countries in Europe in 1969?</li></ul> <p>Something like that? <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z"></span>As someone who's done quite a bit of Beatles article work, the only thing Lennon was interested in in 1969 was <a href="/wiki/Yoko_Ono" title="Yoko Ono">Yoko Ono</a>, beds, trees and world peace. He'd gone off the Indian thing (see <a href="/wiki/Sexy_Sadie" title="Sexy Sadie">Sexy Sadie</a>) so without even looking at a source I say the hook is questionable. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T08:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T09:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z"></span>Well, the hook was accepted in AGF mode, since it wasn't linked in the article. No idea why not, as it is available online at <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=0gkABAAAQBAJ&pg=PP1&dq=brooks,+%22The+Hare+Krishnas+in+India%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyqavLpdvKAhUDVhoKHbFkDBAQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=lennon&f=false">[2]</a>. Page 83 of that book supports the hook, the problem is that no other reliable source does. E.g. the song never was "the number one song on the English musci charts", it peaked at #12. None of the many sources discussing the Beatles' recordings seems to support the claim that "Collectively the Beatles produced and played on" this song or the album; a suorce about "Hare Krishna in India" is probably less reliable for these kinds of things than the collective Beatle-ology of the past 50 years. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T09:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T09:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T09:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:14:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-03T09:50:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-03T09:42:00.000Z"></span>It is widely documented in numerous sources that the Beatles did not collectively record anything together after 20 August 1969, save for a single session with 3/4 of them on 3 January 1970.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:JG66" title="User:JG66">JG66</a>:</span> is our resident Harrison expert, so he'll be able to supply an authoritative source or three. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a 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.citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFIan_McDonald" class="citation book cs1">Ian McDonald. <i>Revolution in the Head - The Beatles Records and the Sixties</i>. Pimlico / Random House. p. 322. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0712-666978" title="Special:BookSources/978-0712-666978"><bdi>978-0712-666978</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Revolution+in+the+Head+-+The+Beatles+Records+and+the+Sixties&rft.pages=322&rft.pub=Pimlico+%2F+Random+House&rft.isbn=978-0712-666978&rft.au=Ian+McDonald&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia+talk%3ADid+you+know%2FArchive+121" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333">Ritchie333</a>:</span> Here are two sources, one a secondary source published by Princeton University Press and another a tertiary source published by Routledge: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>1. Charles Brooks (1989), The Hare Krishnas in India, Princeton University Press, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-8120809390" title="Special:BookSources/978-8120809390">978-8120809390</a>, pages 83–85, <b>Quote:</b> "Hare Krishna Mantra soon became the number one song on the English music charts, and had similar success in West Germany and Czechoslovakia".</dd> <dd>2. Peter Clarke (2005), Encyclopedia of New Religious Movements, Routledge, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0415267076" title="Special:BookSources/978-0415267076">978-0415267076</a>, page 308 Quote: "There they captured the imagination of The Beatles, particularly George Harrison who helped them produce a chart topping record of the Hare Krishna mantra (1969) and ...".</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>I am also able to verify what @Fram states, the song reaching #12, staying on the charts for weeks, etc. The good faith question is whether the other authors are referring to the same music charts in 1969, and whether there was only one music chart? Given the controversy, I will update the article further (include the above dissenting viewpoints for NPOV with WP:RS), and leave the DYK decision to the consensus. The following seems supported by the multiple sources "... that a song based on Sanskrit language mantra verses in the Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad became a chart topping recording on the 1969 music charts in Europe?" <a href="/wiki/User:Ms_Sarah_Welch" title="User:Ms Sarah Welch">Ms Sarah Welch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ms_Sarah_Welch" title="User talk:Ms Sarah Welch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-03T13:28:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span>There is only one "official" <a href="/wiki/UK_singles_chart" title="UK singles chart">singles chart</a> in the UK, and on that chart it reached #12. That does not make it "chart-topping", whatever some writers might say. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghmyrtle" title="User:Ghmyrtle">Ghmyrtle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghmyrtle" title="User talk:Ghmyrtle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-03T13:28:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-03T13:28:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-03T13:28:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T12:40:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. I don't think proposing a different text after the blatantly wrong one has "graced" the main page for 8 hours is necessary, this article won't go in the DYK section again (no "DYK decision" will happen, if it had been caught during the standard process before it hit the main page things would have been different). I would urge you to simply remove the Brooks source from the article (at least for anything related to the song and album), as it is obviously incorrect in most of what it says. Adding a quote with the incorrect information, like you just did <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kali-Sa%E1%B9%87%E1%B9%AD%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87a_Upani%E1%B9%A3ad&type=revision&diff=703087621&oldid=703043612">here</a>, goes against everything an encyclopedia should try to be. While Brooks may be well-informed about Krishna in India, he is clearly completely incorrectly informed about the Beatles and what happened with the song, and should just <i>not</i> be used for that kind of information. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T12:40:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T12:40:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T12:40:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span><edit conflict>When I created the Radha Krisna Temple album article, I noticed that a few sources inflate the single's commercial success somewhat – I recall reading that the song was a top-ten hit in the UK, and number 1 in Czechoslovakia and/or Yugoslavia. There were at least four national singles charts in the UK during the late '60s, so it is possible that one of them listed the HK Mantra higher than number 12 (it peaked at number 11 on <i>Melody Maker</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span>s chart, for instance). What these sources could well be referring to is radio play in W Germany, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia – as in the UK, it was hugely popular on the radio.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>But although Lennon was very interested in the Krishnas (he certainly didn't leave all things Indian behind post 1968; and heroin would be another [major] interest of his in 1969!), there's <i>no way</i> he participated in the recording. McCartney was in the control room at Abbey Road during the session, offering suggestions on microphone placement – and it does seem that some <a href="/wiki/ISKCON" class="mw-redirect" title="ISKCON">ISKCON</a>-aligned sources overplay that detail, imo. The single was issued on <a href="/wiki/Apple_Records" title="Apple Records">Apple Records</a>, so, combined with George Harrison's very public support, this could well be how the idea came about that "the Beatles produced" the track. <a href="/wiki/User:JG66" title="User:JG66">JG66</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JG66" title="User talk:JG66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T12:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z"></span>@Fram: Your comments and concern about the Brooks' book published by Princeton University Press is duly noted. Are you okay with the cited sources, on the Hare mantra song, published by Routledge and Cambridge University Press? @JG66/@Fram: Given your knowledge of the Beatles, the song and album, I welcome you to edit and improve the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Ms_Sarah_Welch" title="User:Ms Sarah Welch">Ms Sarah Welch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ms_Sarah_Welch" title="User talk:Ms Sarah Welch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z-JG66-2016-02-03T13:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:57:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ms_Sarah_Welch" title="User:Ms Sarah Welch">Ms Sarah Welch</a>:</span> I'd say the Peter Clarke/Routledge book is good. In the <a href="/wiki/Kali-Sa%E1%B9%87%E1%B9%AD%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87a_Upani%E1%B9%A3ad#Beatles_and_English_music_charts" title="Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad">article</a>, I think the Lennon picture should be replaced by one of Harrison, and the text should definitely list Harrison first. (The pic of him with Mukunda at <a href="/wiki/The_Radha_Krsna_Temple_(album)#Album_recording" title="The Radha Krsna Temple (album)">The Radha Krsna Temple (album)#Album recording</a> might be worth considering?) Harrison's ties to the mantra, the Upanishads and Gaudiya Vaishnavism were lifelong and a major part of his public image even before the Beatles' break-up. With Lennon, though, it was more of a passing interest as he battled heroin addiction. Hope that helps. <a href="/wiki/User:JG66" title="User:JG66">JG66</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JG66" title="User talk:JG66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:57:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:57:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JG66-2016-02-03T13:57:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T13:59:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span>(ec)I changed the section of the article somewhat, and removed the John Lennon image as being largely irrelevant now. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-03T13:59:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-03T13:59:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-03T13:59:00.000Z-Ms_Sarah_Welch-2016-02-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T18:04:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span>This hook ran on the main page for over eight hours of its scheduled twelve. The nomination has not been reopened, and I believe that is the right decision: it has had plenty of time on the main page, and indeed more than hooks get when we're running three sets a day. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T18:04:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T18:04:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-04T18:04:00.000Z-Beatles_hook_removed_from_Main_Page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z"></span>DYK that sounds like advertising<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Duivelwaan-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span>This DYK sounds like corporate spam: </p><p>"...that web-based jewelry retailer Bravelets donates ten dollars of each purchase to the charity of the customer's choice?" </p><p>I believe it should be removed. <a href="/wiki/User:Duivelwaan" title="User:Duivelwaan">Duivelwaan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Duivelwaan" title="User talk:Duivelwaan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Duivelwaan-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Duivelwaan-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Duivelwaan-2016-02-05T01:06:00.000Z-DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2F2015_Corsican_protests"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests" title="Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Corsican protests">Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Corsican protests</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests"></span>If anyone wants to come up with an interesting hook for <a href="/wiki/2015_Corsican_protests" title="2015 Corsican protests">2015 Corsican protests</a>...be my guest. I am reviewing it. <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-02-05T02:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Corsican_protests"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ErrantX's_new_stat_tool" data-mw-thread-id="h-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z"><span id="ErrantX.27s_new_stat_tool"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z"></span>ErrantX's new stat tool<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool"></span>I see <a href="/wiki/User:ErrantX" title="User:ErrantX">ErrantX</a> has created a <a class="external text" href="http://tools.wmflabs.org/dykstats/">new tool</a>. It seems to me that the PM time slot calculation should be D0 + D+1 - (D-1 + D+2) or else one of the two days' stats still gets inflated.--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WAWARD">WP:WAWARD</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z-ErrantX's_new_stat_tool"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z"></span>I think Tony is right; but a lot of the stats have been calculated on the page elsewith. Changing it will potentially impact the ordering of a lot of the DYKSTATS, hence my suggestion it needs consensus. I think I might build the alternate calculation into the tool in the meantime to give both options. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:ErrantX" title="User:ErrantX">Errant</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErrantX" title="User talk:ErrantX">chat!</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T21:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:31:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z"></span>I think there were calculations before any adjustment, but that did not stop deciding to use an adjustment. We should make the adjustment correct.--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WAWARD">WP:WAWARD</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:31:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:31:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:31:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-03T08:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_pageview_stats_tool" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_pageview_stats_tool-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_pageview_stats_tool-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z"></span>New pageview stats tool<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_pageview_stats_tool-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z-New_pageview_stats_tool"></span>After getting no response at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Pageview_Stats_down_again" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Pageview_Stats_down_again</a>, I started looking around. It seems that there is a new tool <a class="external text" href="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/?doc#!/Pageviews_data/get_metrics_pageviews_per_article_project_access_agent_article_granularity_start_end">here</a>, but I do not understand how to use it. Does this replace <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/">the old stats tool</a>? If so, how do I use it?--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WAWARD">WP:WAWARD</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z-New_pageview_stats_tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z-New_pageview_stats_tool"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z-New_pageview_stats_tool"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z"></span>Here's another pageview tool which I've just been trying: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://analytics.wmflabs.org/demo/pageview-api/">Article Comparison</a>. It's especially good for comparing several articles together but will only take 5 - not quite enough for a full DYK batch. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-02T13:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Andrew Davidson</a>, That is pretty good. It seems to go back to October 1, 2015 and does not seem to readily produce monthly totals.--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WAWARD">WP:WAWARD</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-03T14:16:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ed_Erhart_(WMF)-2016-02-05T05:23:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew Davidson</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a>:</span> You can learn more about the new API and the tool on the <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/2015/12/14/pageview-data-easily-accessible/" class="extiw" title="wmfblog:2015/12/14/pageview-data-easily-accessible/">Wikimedia Blog</a>! That's definitely only a demo app, hence the limitations. <a href="/wiki/User:Ed_Erhart_(WMF)" title="User:Ed Erhart (WMF)">Ed Erhart (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ed_Erhart_(WMF)" title="User talk:Ed Erhart (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ed_Erhart_(WMF)-2016-02-05T05:23:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ed_Erhart_(WMF)-2016-02-05T05:23:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ed_Erhart_(WMF)-2016-02-05T05:23:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2016-02-05T03:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Page view stats has a temporary fix<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix"></span>"Temporary", being until WMF institutes a new and permanent one they will maintain. Until then, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a> has given us a fix. Details <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&oldid=703447077#Page_view_stats_-_somebody_please_fix_this.21">VP (technical)</a> thread. MusikAnimal, you have made a lot of people on this DYK project happy today.<a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z-Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span>My pleasure. The real credit goes to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/marcelrf">this wonderful person</a> who works for the WMF. Not sure what their on-wiki username is. I just took their code and made it accept params so we could link to it. Cheers <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:39:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z"></span>Another thing I wanted to mention... I understand the DYK project does some record-keeping on the most viewed DYKs. Problem is the old stats.grok.se only reported desktop views (and probably not all of them either), where as the new pageviews API reports mobile and desktop. Since mobile accounts for 50%+ of enwiki's traffic, what you're seeing now is going to be dramatically higher than what the old tool would report. Thus you should not compare your new DYK statistics with old ones. I suppose the old record book will have to closed entirely and we can start a new one. But at least we know that moving forward we will have fully accurate data :) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:39:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:39:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:39:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z"></span>I did some quick tests and it appears the pageview API data goes back as far as August 1, 2015. I have adjusted the tool to prevent querying data earlier than that. Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-05T16:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z"></span>Data from between Aug and early Oct. is patchy (from my testing). Earlier data is not planned to be loaded I don't think. Regarding the mobile hits; for DYK this has accounted for only a slight increase (I think it looked to be around 10%) in totals. It's at least representative; especially if we use the new stats going forward & note on the page. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:ErrantX" title="User:ErrantX">Errant</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ErrantX" title="User talk:ErrantX">chat!</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T07:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T19:30:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ErrantX" title="User:ErrantX">ErrantX</a>:</span> Thanks for the note on Aug/Sep, going to update my tool to block those months. It appears you and <a href="/wiki/User:MelanieN" title="User:MelanieN">MelanieN</a> are right about DYK stats... checking those articles I see marginal differences. Come to find out, DYK's aren't shown on m.wikipedia.org! So there ya go :) However raw data from day to day is drastic: For instance looking at <a href="/wiki/Google" title="Google">Google</a> on December 9, 2015 shows 17,937 hits, but through the pageview API we see 211,806. Maybe that's a bad example <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T19:30:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T19:30:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-06T19:30:00.000Z-ErrantX-2016-02-06T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-.js-2016-02-06T14:58:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Web_statistics_tool" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Web statistics tool">Wikipedia:Web statistics tool</a> for a collection of questions and possible <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Web_statistics_tool#Moving_forward" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Web statistics tool">new solutions</a>. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:.js&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:.js (page does not exist)">.js</a><sup>[<i><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Democracy" class="extiw" title="m:Democracy">democracy</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Democracy" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Democracy">needed</a></i>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-.js-2016-02-06T14:58:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-.js-2016-02-06T14:58:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-.js-2016-02-06T14:58:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-05T16:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z"><span id="Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z"></span>Can old TFA appear as DYK?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Kerala" title="Kerala"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?"></span>Kerala</a> was recently promoted to GA status and I was thinking about nominating it for DYK. The criteria states that any article that has previously appeared in the INT and OTD sections is ineligible. However, it doesn't say anything about articles that have appeared in the TFA section. Kerala was a FA long back and featured in TFA section in 2006. The article was demoted and it just passed a GAR. So, is it eligible to appear as DYK? Regards, <i><b><span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yash!&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yash! (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black">Ya</span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yash!&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Yash! (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black">sh</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yash!" title="Special:Contributions/Yash!"><span style="color:black">!</span></a></span></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z-Can_old_TFA_appear_as_DYK?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z"></span>You are right; the rules do not cover this scenario. Since it was ten years ago, I see no problem with this. Indeed, I'm sure there are plenty of articles that were first featured on DYK? and later became TFA. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z-Yash!-2016-02-06T06:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yash!-2016-02-06T19:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z"></span>True. It's the other way around here so wasn't sure if I should nominate it for DYK or not. I will move forward with it then. <i><b><span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yash!&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yash! (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black">Ya</span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yash!&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Yash! (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black">sh</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yash!" title="Special:Contributions/Yash!"><span style="color:black">!</span></a></span></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yash!-2016-02-06T19:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yash!-2016-02-06T19:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yash!-2016-02-06T19:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T15:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2FList_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna" title="Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Madonna">Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Madonna</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna"></span>Can I some some discussion here please. nomination is slightly over the 7 day rule but I think it should be allowed. Thank you. — <a href="/wiki/User:Calvin999" title="User:Calvin999"><b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Madonna"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z"></span>How much over the limit are we talking about here? If it's hours and up to a day, I would allow it. Days to a week and that's clearly not new. I can understand frustrations, since by the time they are received on the Main Page, nominations are typically three weeks old. I would stress the importance of getting a nomination posted as soon as you can. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-06T22:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z"></span>The expansion started at 20:35, 26 January 2016 (UTC)‎, and the nomination was made at 14:56, 3 February 2016 (UTC). That's 7 days and 18:21 in toto. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T22:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z"></span>Back when it was a 5-day rule, we used to allow up to 8-day nominations. I think we should accept this. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-06T23:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z"></span>I agree that as long as it passes all other DYK criteria on the review, we shouldn't quibble on a few hours (according to BlueMoonset's calculation above). It's a terrific work, and I assume you're taking it up to FLC. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-07T00:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T01:56:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z"></span>I would advise <a href="/wiki/User:Northamerica1000" title="User:Northamerica1000">User:Northamerica1000</a> to do a full review of the nomination if it's to be used as a QPQ for <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Queen_Elizabeth_cake" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Queen Elizabeth cake">Queen Elizabeth cake</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T01:56:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T01:56:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T01:56:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T00:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots" data-mw-thread-id="h-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span>Food related hooks in image slots<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots"></span>Can anyone explain to me the logic of having all the image slots for this coming Monday (Feb 8) dedicated to food? If these images were scheduled for Feb 9, <a href="/wiki/Mardi_Gras" title="Mardi Gras">Mardi Gras</a> and <a href="/wiki/Shrove_Tuesday" title="Shrove Tuesday">Shrove Tuesday</a>, then there would be an obvious connection between the image subject and the date they are scheduled to run (<a href="/wiki/Pancakes" class="mw-redirect" title="Pancakes">pancakes</a> would be a better fit that fruit and soup, but you take what you can get). What is the connection that I am missing? --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen3" title="User talk:Allen3">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z-Food_related_hooks_in_image_slots"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span>Since posting my original comment, the block of food images has been broken up by <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&diff=prev&oldid=703422427">[3]</a> & <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_4&diff=prev&oldid=703422442">[4]</a>). This leads to a second question: is a thick rich bowl of soup an appropriate image for <a href="/wiki/Ash_Wednesday" title="Ash Wednesday">Ash Wednesday</a>, a traditional day of fasting for many Christian denominations? --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen3" title="User talk:Allen3">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T04:06:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z"></span>I've moved the chowder to the PM slot for Shrove Tuesday. It means we have a gap of bio pics, but IMO we often overcompensate them for the lead hooks. Any other suggested improvements, Allen? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T04:06:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T04:06:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-06T04:06:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T13:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span>I picked the strawberry pic. I wanted something red for Chinese New Year. At the time, I was thinking more about plants than food. Thanks, folks, for mixing things up. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-05T12:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="International_Women's_Day_hooks" data-mw-thread-id="h-International_Women's_Day_hooks-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z"><span id="International_Women.27s_Day_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-International_Women's_Day_hooks-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z"></span>International Women's Day hooks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-International_Women's_Day_hooks-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span>Our sets for <a href="/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day" title="International Women's Day">International Women's Day</a> are going to look pretty boring with approved hooks like these: </p> <ul><li>... that Christiane Floyd was the first professor of computer science in Germany?</li> <li>... that Edith Ellen Greenwood was the first female recipient of the Soldier's Medal?</li> <li>... that Mary F. Hoyt was the first woman to receive a position in the United States federal civil service?</li> <li>... that Ellen Fitz Pendleton was the first woman to serve on a panel to award the American Peace Prize?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I proposed on the template: <b>ALT1</b> ... that Wellesley College president Ellen Fitz Pendleton supported academic freedom for pacifists during World War I and later opposed the 1935 loyal oath required of teachers in Massachusetts? <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_hooks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span>You're great, Maile. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span>Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T16:25:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span>I suggest to add <a href="/wiki/Delores_Ziegler" title="Delores Ziegler">Delores Ziegler</a>, an American with a career in Europe, <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Delores_Ziegler" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Delores Ziegler">hook</a> mentioning Dorabella, no first ;) - Also a teamwork. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:21:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:31:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z"></span>I don't know if this is what you mean by boring, but the hooks focus too much on "first" to do something. What did these women accomplish after they chanced to step into history as the "first" of anything? <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>)</li> <li>Also, 4 of the 5 hooks listed in the special holding area are by the same nominator. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:31:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:31:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T17:31:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z"></span>We have a few weeks to assemble the March 8 sets. In the meantime, we should start some kind of page patrol to weed out and destroy these "I'm the first!" hooks. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-04T16:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z"></span>Did You Know ... that Michelle Obama was the first descendant of slaves to serve as First Lady of the United States? Wouldn't it be a shame if that's if that's all someone knew about her? <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-04T18:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Just saying that there are tons of nominations about women on the page that don't mention "firsts". (And for the record, those that are included here are not from someone who is part of WP Women, which is alleged below somehow to have a single mind that being "first" is sufficiently notable for a hook, which is probably not a very accurate statement). Very few of the approved hooks for women have been moved to either black history month or women's history month. <a href="/wiki/Deolinda_Rodr%C3%ADguez_de_Almeida" class="mw-redirect" title="Deolinda Rodríguez de Almeida">Deolinda Rodríguez de Almeida</a>, <a href="/wiki/Rosita_Baltazar" title="Rosita Baltazar">Rosita Baltazar</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gwendoline_Konie" title="Gwendoline Konie">Gwendoline Konie</a> <a href="/wiki/Rose_Piper" title="Rose Piper">Rose Piper</a>, <a href="/wiki/Carmen_Souza" title="Carmen Souza">Carmen Souza</a> just to name a few. But there are indeed women who were "serial first"s whose accomplishments shouldn't be discounted, like <a href="/wiki/Ruby_M._Rouss" title="Ruby M. Rouss">Ruby M. Rouss</a>. Even with her, though, there are hooks which don't mention her multiple firsts. Maybe just proposing alternatives if you don't like the hooks that are nominated would broaden the scope? <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-04T21:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-07T23:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z"></span>Once approved, you can move a nom yourself to the special area, --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-07T23:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-07T23:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-07T23:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-07T22:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women's_hooks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women's_hooks-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z"><span id="Women.27s_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women's_hooks-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Women's hooks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women's_hooks-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z-Women's_hooks"></span>Note to prep builders: The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Women_in_Red" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Women in Red">WP:Women in Red</a> project is busy churning out literally thousands of new articles about women. Many (not all!) are making their way to DYK. I think it's important to start using them in prep sets, and not running sets with less than 50% bios. I've also moved a number of approved black women hooks to the Special Occasion holding area for <a href="/wiki/Black_History_Month" title="Black History Month">Black History Month</a> (February) – these hooks should also be promoted, one or two per prep set, if we want to keep up with the deluge. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z-Women's_hooks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z-Women's_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-08T00:08:00.000Z-Women's_hooks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lame_hooks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lame_hooks-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lame_hooks-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Lame hooks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lame_hooks-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z-Lame_hooks"></span>Seriously, the hooks in the current main page group are appalling: the BMW one has "BMW ... bike ... BMW ... BMW bike" in one sentence. The <s>may</s>fly hook has "long wings ... longest wings .... lacewing". This is garbage for the main page of an encyclopedia. I'm trying to make sure the quality of the articles we feature isn't appalling, but these kind of hooks really need work before they're accepted and promoted. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z-Lame_hooks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z-Lame_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z-Lame_hooks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span>I don't suppose we could entice you to cruise by the Queues every now and then. You know...before this kind of stuff gets to the main page. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z"></span>I cruise by every article itself, but not the queues. I don't have time to think that hard, that's what the promoting editor and promoting admin should be doing. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:27:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span>Mayfly? <i>Makarkinia</i> isnt a mayfly, first off. Its a neuropteran, and if I had just put Neuropteran, the complaint would have been that I should have used the "vernacular" name becuse no one knows what a neuropteran is. IF you feel the need to bitch about things, then actually look at the preps and make suggestions there. How exactly would you have worded a hook on the longest wings of any species in the Lacewing order?--20:36, 7 February 2016 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin">Kevmin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevmin" title="User talk:Kevmin">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kevmin" title="Special:Contributions/Kevmin">contribs</a>) </span></small></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>For a start, I'd have refrained from using "long wings ... longest wings...." which is simply crap. Perhaps "The blah lacewing has the longest wings of all ... at x". Simple enough without the childlike repetition. Perhaps we need to start re-visiting each and every hook a third time. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z"></span>And yet you did not do that, but decided to vent here instead. Yes there was ONE long more then may have been needed, but bitching after the fact and insinuating that everyone else in the DYK process is incompetent is NOT appropriate, and its rude.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin"><span style="color:#120A8F;">Kev</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevmin" title="User talk:Kevmin"><span style="color:#228B22;">min</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kevmin" title="Special:Contributions/Kevmin">§</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:39:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:43:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z"></span>Don't worry, I'll be paying extra special attention to these incompetent hooks and those who promote them to the main page. It's about time this process started taking things seriously again. We had a surge in a quality a while ago when a few more people were carefully watching this process, seems like we need more eyes on it once again. By the way, if you can be bothered, you'd read my response above. I check the articles for quality control, but hooks <i>should</i> have gone through at least <i>two</i> other people before getting to the main page. I shouldn't have to perform a third check, but now it seems I should. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:43:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:43:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:43:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Why appalling? Lame? I like hooks about "the first", "the ___-est", "the most ___". --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z"></span>I'm talking about the repetition in each hook I mention. It's really poor writing. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z"></span>Sounds cute to me, though. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z"></span>What does? The repetition? It sounds like piss-poor English to me. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z"></span>Not poetry, but passable. Get the point across alright. Please improve them as you see fit. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:48:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z"></span>Far from poetry, far from reasonable English on the homepage of the most visited encyclopaedia in history. Please read my previous comments that you seem to have missed. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:48:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:48:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:48:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span>If we're playing <a href="/wiki/Just_a_Minute" title="Just a Minute">Just a Minute</a> then notice that the FA blurb at the time repeated the words "storm" and "hurricane" five times each. But we needn't worry too much about FA and DYK as they are rotated every day and so any dull entries are resolved automatically. But ITN has been stuck with the same lead item for several days now. This almost exactly repeats <a href="/wiki/Claud_Cockburn" title="Claud Cockburn">Claud Cockburn</a>'s notorious "Small earthquake in Peru, not many dead" which was the winner of a competition to find the most boring headline. Perhaps ITN has dried up and that's why TRM has come over here to spread joy and comfort. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T16:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z"></span>What are you talking about? I've been working here for years. But you probably didn't notice that. The point remains, regardless of <i>other</i> problems, that we shouldn't be promoting such weak hooks. I would have thought you would have been in agreement considering this is an encyclopedia. But thanks for the veiled personal attack, duly noted. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T16:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T16:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T16:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-08T06:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span>More DYK that sounds like advertising<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span>Do we really have to put Samantha Bee (<a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/1" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/1">Queue 1</a>) on MainPage the day of her show's debut? Are we reminding people to watch? I'd rather have this on MainPage soon after the debut. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span>I have no objection to it being posted on the day of the show's debut. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:46:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z"></span>I hope Wikipedia's MainPage doesn't look like free 'front-page' advertising space tomorrow. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:46:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:46:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:46:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-07T19:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parthian_Scribe-2016-02-08T23:17:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span>I agree. This is blatant advertising. <a href="/wiki/User:Parthian_Scribe" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Parthian Scribe">Parthian Scribe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Parthian_Scribe-2016-02-08T23:17:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parthian_Scribe-2016-02-08T23:17:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parthian_Scribe-2016-02-08T23:17:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T18:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span>It's not saying "go watch this show, it's awesome", it's simply saying that there is such a show (and the hook is pretty interesting too). Keep it in. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>) </b> <small><small>aka Jakec</small></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z-More_DYK_that_sounds_like_advertising"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:20:00.000Z-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span>My problem is the timing. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:20:00.000Z-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:20:00.000Z-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:20:00.000Z-Jakec-2016-02-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z"></span>Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"></span>The previous list has just been archived, so I've compiled a new set of the 42 oldest nominations that need reviewing, which takes us through the first twenty days of 2016. As of the most recent update, 88 nominations have been approved, leaving 221 of 309 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the first six from January that are left over from last week's list. </p> <ul><li>January 7: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Manufactured_Crisis:_The_Untold_Story_of_the_Iran_Nuclear_Scare" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare">Template:Did you know nominations/Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare</a></li> <li><s>January 9: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_Shinto" title="Template:Did you know nominations/State Shinto">Template:Did you know nominations/State Shinto</a></s></li> <li><s>January 9: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Paul_Rosche" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Rosche">Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Rosche</a></s></li> <li><s>January 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/DDC-I" title="Template:Did you know nominations/DDC-I">Template:Did you know nominations/DDC-I</a></s></li> <li><s>January 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Social_Encounter_Party" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Social Encounter Party">Template:Did you know nominations/Social Encounter Party</a></s></li> <li><s>January 11: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sometime_(Gene_Thomas_song)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sometime (Gene Thomas song)">Template:Did you know nominations/Sometime (Gene Thomas song)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 12: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kang_Shi%27en" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kang Shi'en">Template:Did you know nominations/Kang Shi'en</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Pura_Vida_Bracelets" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Pura Vida Bracelets">Template:Did you know nominations/Pura Vida Bracelets</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/For_John" title="Template:Did you know nominations/For John">Template:Did you know nominations/For John</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Negro_Labor_Committee" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Negro Labor Committee">Template:Did you know nominations/Negro Labor Committee</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Phoutah" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phoutah">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phoutah</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Romona_Robinson" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Romona Robinson">Template:Did you know nominations/Romona Robinson</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Donald_Lavoie" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Lavoie">Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Lavoie</a></s></li> <li><s>January 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/William_Grant,_Lord_Grant" title="Template:Did you know nominations/William Grant, Lord Grant">Template:Did you know nominations/William Grant, Lord Grant</a></s></li> <li><s>January 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Andr%C3%A9_Sordet" title="Template:Did you know nominations/André Sordet">Template:Did you know nominations/André Sordet</a></s></li> <li><s>January 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Production_of_Avengers:_Infinity_War" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Production of Avengers: Infinity War">Template:Did you know nominations/Production of Avengers: Infinity War</a></s></li> <li><s>January 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ella_Orr_Campbell" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ella Orr Campbell">Template:Did you know nominations/Ella Orr Campbell</a></s></li> <li><s>January 15: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Federal_Reserve_Bank_Building_(Seattle)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Federal Reserve Bank Building (Seattle)">Template:Did you know nominations/Federal Reserve Bank Building (Seattle)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Naji_Abu_Nowar" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Naji Abu Nowar">Template:Did you know nominations/Naji Abu Nowar</a></s></li> <li><s>January 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Central_Recreation_Ground,_Hastings" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Central Recreation Ground, Hastings">Template:Did you know nominations/Central Recreation Ground, Hastings</a></s></li> <li><s>January 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Xieng_Dong" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Xieng Dong">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Xieng Dong</a></s></li> <li><s>January 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cowbell_Hollow" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cowbell Hollow">Template:Did you know nominations/Cowbell Hollow</a></s></li> <li><s>January 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Teresia_Sampsonia" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Teresia Sampsonia">Template:Did you know nominations/Teresia Sampsonia</a></s></li> <li><s>January 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lynne_Kelly_(science_writer)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Lynne Kelly (science writer)">Template:Did you know nominations/Lynne Kelly (science writer)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mariusgenser" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mariusgenser">Template:Did you know nominations/Mariusgenser</a></s></li> <li><s>January 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Oran_fatwa" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Oran fatwa">Template:Did you know nominations/Oran fatwa</a></s></li> <li><s>January 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Corruption_in_Haiti" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Corruption in Haiti">Template:Did you know nominations/Corruption in Haiti</a></s></li> <li><s>January 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/1934_Muroto_typhoon" title="Template:Did you know nominations/1934 Muroto typhoon">Template:Did you know nominations/1934 Muroto typhoon</a></s></li> <li>January 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Babe_Didrikson_Zaharias_Museum_%26_Visitor_Center" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Babe Didrikson Zaharias Museum & Visitor Center">Template:Did you know nominations/Babe Didrikson Zaharias Museum & Visitor Center</a></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Leila_Alaoui" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Leila Alaoui">Template:Did you know nominations/Leila Alaoui</a></s></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Air_France_Flight_152" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Air France Flight 152">Template:Did you know nominations/Air France Flight 152</a></s></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Dorothy_Galton" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothy Galton">Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothy Galton</a></s></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/1957_Fethiye_earthquakes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/1957 Fethiye earthquakes">Template:Did you know nominations/1957 Fethiye earthquakes</a></s></li> <li>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ruhollah_Khomeini%27s_letter_to_Mikhail_Gorbachev" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ruhollah Khomeini's letter to Mikhail Gorbachev">Template:Did you know nominations/Ruhollah Khomeini's letter to Mikhail Gorbachev</a></li> <li>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Princess_Feodora_of_Saxe-Meiningen" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Princess Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen">Template:Did you know nominations/Princess Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen</a></li> <li>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Singapore_Grand_Prix" title="Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Singapore Grand Prix">Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Singapore Grand Prix</a></li> <li>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Syrnet" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Syrnet">Template:Did you know nominations/Syrnet</a></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Parry_Glasspool" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Parry Glasspool">Template:Did you know nominations/Parry Glasspool</a></s></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kathashruti_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kathashruti Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Kathashruti Upanishad</a></s></li> <li>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Inauguration_of_Mauricio_Macri" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Inauguration of Mauricio Macri">Template:Did you know nominations/Inauguration of Mauricio Macri</a></li> <li>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Il_Primo_Libro_delle_Canzoni" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni">Template:Did you know nominations/Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni</a></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Dictyoolithidae" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Dictyoolithidae">Template:Did you know nominations/Dictyoolithidae</a></s></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/All_For_Jesus,_All_For_Jesus" title="Template:Did you know nominations/All For Jesus, All For Jesus">Template:Did you know nominations/All For Jesus, All For Jesus</a></s></li></ul> <p>Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-09T08:13:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prep_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prep_3-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prep_3-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z"></span>Prep 3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prep_3-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z-Prep_3"></span>I have changed the approved and promoted hook for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Amritabindu_Upanishad">Amritabindu Upanishad</a> in Prep 3 by substituting "six-limbed" in the hook on the place of "five-limbed". Please could somebody else check that this is correct. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z-Prep_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z-Prep_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z-Prep_3"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T19:33:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z"></span>The source says "Of the eight members of the Yoga system our Upanisad, like Maitr. 6,18, mentions only five to which, as there, tarka, is added as the sixth." This seems like it has six parts, it's just emphasizing that the sixth one is unique. The hook is fine as-is. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T19:33:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T19:33:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T19:33:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-08T09:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?" data-mw-thread-id="h-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z"><span id="OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span>OTRS pending an image dealbreaker?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> Hi. I noticed you <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&diff=703827939&oldid=703827376">removed</a> the image for the <a href="/wiki/Pocket_FM" title="Pocket FM">Pocket FM</a> hook because "in its current state, this picture is completely unsuitable for use on Main Page". I presume that's because it's currently tagged as OTRS pending? Is that an automatic deal-breaker for DYK (and, I presume, other areas of the main page)? The permission was sent in two weeks ago, in advance of the nomination. The time it takes varies, of course, but it's not the case that it's simply uploaded with no context. In fact I could forward the permission email to you, if necessary. I guess it's not a huge deal -- I just think that image is better suited for DYK than the replacement image (and, selfishly, it's just the first time I've had a nom with an image that was suited for DYK :) ). — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span>Images need to have the sourcing clearly identified. This image doesn't as of yet and also has no file description. It gave me the overall feeling that it was incomplete. I'm not sure if there is a way to fast-track images needing OTRS approval, because they are candidates for the Main Page. Other than that, it would be a suitable image. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z"></span>The OTRS approval is indeed required. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-08T18:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Ah, bummer. Ok, thanks for clarifying. — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-08T19:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z"></span>Can the DYK hook wait? I see no reason to rush it onto MainPage. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T02:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z"></span>I've no problem waiting if you think there's a chance of the OTRS being filled out over the next few days. This article was created on 20 January and I'm currently promoting hooks from 16 January, so it could wait a few days (maybe a week at most) before it enters the backlog. In general nominations should be ready at their time of nomination. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-09T03:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T14:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a>:</span> Waiting is fine with me, though it's now been moved from prep to a queue -- I don't know if that matters. I sent a follow-up email to OTRS for good measure. Thanks — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T14:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T14:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T14:54:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-09T03:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> The permission just went through. I'll add a better description to the file later (I'm on my phone right now). Can we reinstate the picture? Delaying it to do so would be fine with me. Sorry if this is a pain, and thanks. — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z-OTRS_pending_an_image_dealbreaker?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z"></span>The hook is presently in Queue 1 and can only be removed by an administrator. I personally think the hook and image are a great combination, which is why I originally promoted it to the image slot. Calling on an administrator to move this back to Prep 6 or Prep 1, and I'll take it from there. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-10T10:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Both Preps 6 & 1 are occupied. I've moved the <a href="/wiki/Pocket_FM" title="Pocket FM">Pocket FM</a> hook & pic to <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_3" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3">Prep 3</a> for now. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-10T10:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-10T10:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-10T10:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a>:</span> et al, if you have the OTRS ticket number, I'll see if I can dig the ticket out of the queue. <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;"><b>HJ Mitchell</b></span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T17:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T18:53:00.000Z-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell">HJ Mitchell</a>:</span> The permission went through just before my previous comment (which may have been ambiguous). — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T18:53:00.000Z-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T18:53:00.000Z-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-09T18:53:00.000Z-HJ_Mitchell-2016-02-09T18:51:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Did_you_know.2FQueue.2F2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/2">Template:Did you know/Queue/2</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/25px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/38px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/50px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_looking_for_help_from_administrators" title="Category:Wikipedians looking for help from administrators">request for help from administrators</a> has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the <b><span class="nowrap">{{admin help}}</span></b> template, or contact the responding user(s) directly on their own user talk page.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>An admin is needed to fix the Credits section of the current Queue 2. One of the DYK articles has its title moved during the nomination, and the credits have not been updated. Please change: * {{DYKmake|First first-class cricket match in Australia|Xender Lourdes|subpage=First first-class cricket match in Australia}} to * {{DYKmake|Port Phillip v Van Diemen's Land, 1851|Xender Lourdes|subpage=First first-class cricket match in Australia}} Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:SSTflyer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SSTflyer"><span style="color:black">sst</span>✈</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SSTflyer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:SSTflyer">(conjugate)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-10T17:20:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z"></span>Done <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ritchie333-2016-02-10T17:20:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-10T17:20:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-10T17:20:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-10T16:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prep_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prep_4-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prep_4-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span>Prep 4<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prep_4-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Prep_4"></span>that the British plant pathologist Mary Glynne was the first woman to climb Mount Spencer in New Zealand?</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>If "Mount Spencer" in New Zealand is so un-notable that we don't even have an article about it, why is the fact that a female plant pathologist climbing it first is considered of interest to anyone? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Prep_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Prep_4"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z-Prep_4"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span>Yes, because wiki has articles on every notable land from on the planet already, and thus her accomplishment is not notable.</sarcasm> You are in a seriously bitch/whiny mood today. Please get off your horse. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kevmin" title="User:Kevmin"><span style="color:#120A8F;">Kev</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevmin" title="User talk:Kevmin"><span style="color:#228B22;">min</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kevmin" title="Special:Contributions/Kevmin">§</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Rather than focus on your hate for me, can you answer the original question please. What makes climbing a non-notable mountain notable? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z-Kevmin-2016-02-07T20:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Well, <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mary_Dilys_Glynne" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Dilys Glynne">Mary Dilys Glynne</a> had two suggested hooks. <a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> recommended the nomination be set aside for March Women's History Month. We could always pull the hook and put it in a special holding area for March, but both Roseistep and the nominator <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned">Worm That Turned</a> like the original hook. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z"></span>Can someone answer the question please? What is notable about climbing a mountain that is considered non-notable such that we don't even have an article about it on Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z"></span>And that is why I pinged both Rosiestep and Worm That Turned. Over at WP Women, the first woman to do anything is considered significant enough for a hook. But the nominator and reviewer are the only two who can really answer your question. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z"></span>Well perhaps that's where WP Women need to broaden their horizons. If Mount Spencer is a mere hillock and Ms Glynne hopped upon it by chance, this isn't a hook worth anything. It should be pulled until we see the actual significance of the article-less Mount Spencer. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T20:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z"></span>Pulling it from <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_4" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 4">Prep 4</a> may not be a bad idea. This will give people time to come up with a better hook. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z"></span>Pull it if you wish. But WP Women needs to "broaden their horizons"? What? This isn't just about WP Women; let's add WP Geography into the convo. Is there a rule that landforms must have their own article or not be mentioned in a hook? It appears that Mount Spencer exists.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&d=AJHR1930-I.2.3.2.2&cl=&srpos=0&e=-------10--1------0--&st=1">[5]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://peakery.com/mount-spencer-new-zealand/">[6]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=53sBAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA20">[7]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=gCZAAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA103">[8]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.aucklandartgallery.com/explore-art-and-ideas/artwork/9133/lake-tarawera-and-mount-spencer">[9]</a> I had considered writing the article about it at the time I reviewed the nom, but then I figured, meh, someone else will probably come along and do so, someone who has access to sources which I can't access. As for whether the hook appears in February or March, either is fine; but I recommended March because of WHM. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T21:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z"></span>Rosiestep</a>, I just pulled it and put it in special holding for Women's History Month where both you and <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned">Worm That Turned</a> wanted it in the first place. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span>Maile66</a>, thank you! I liked ALT1, too, except that the source said she was in her 60s (not specifically that she 68). --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z"></span>I was answering Maile66's point, only WP Women was mentioned as being part of the DYK nomination process, there was no mention of WP Geography looking to see this at DYK. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T21:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2016-02-07T21:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span>Looking forward to reading about Mount Spencer soon. <i>Viva la DYK.</i> --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to create <a href="/wiki/Mount_Spencer_(New_Zealand)" class="mw-redirect" title="Mount Spencer (New Zealand)">Mount Spencer (New Zealand)</a> whenever convenient. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T22:49:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-07T22:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span>Apologies, I'm not really around at the minute, so can't help much. I believe Mount Spencer is notable - but hasn't had an article yet - much of the New Zealand mountain range doesn't, possibly because Wikipedia is populated by the geographic North. Not that that's the point. Happy that the article is held until Women's History Month, I don't really mind either way. <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned"><b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;"><i>Worm</i></b></a><sup>TT</sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Worm_That_Turned" title="User talk:Worm That Turned"><b style="color:#060;">talk</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-07T20:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z"></span>I read this yesterday and composed multiple answers, none of which could be posted. The very fact that less that 16% of the biographies on WP are about women belies the accuracy of the statement "so un-notable that we don't even have an article about it". Perhaps the facts that editathons have been held since last June on leadership, architecture, science, religion, music and black women's history shows a concerted effort by WP Women to broaden the scope of WP in general? Perhaps the first PERSON to do anything is significant enough for a hook, but that doesn't change the fact that there must be sufficient RS to create an article for WP. The biases shown in this conversation alone show how very far WP has to go to be an inclusive environment. DYK periodically becomes an extremely hostile environment and that really needs to stop. Maybe just maybe, instead of insulting each other, in phrases such as "this isn't a hook worth anything" or the assumption that all people have a singular mind, proposing alternatives would be more in the spirit of what the encyclopedia intends? <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2016-02-08T13:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z"></span>From my perspective, it was obvious that to benefit our readers we create an article about Mount Spencer so that claiming someone to be the first to climb it has some context, that it was, in fact, a notable achievement. That's all. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 8 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-08T16:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z"></span>Or we can go by reliable sources, which in this case seem to have found the event notable, whether or not the article for the mountain has been created or not. <i>sarcasm alert</i> I guess that editors must be burdened to create an article about both the woman <i>and</i> the mountain in order for it to run on DYK. <i>end alert</i>. I also didn't know that the hook had to involve something that required a wikilink, but merely be something interesting that was mentioned in reliable sources. When there have been problems of actually serious issues with DYK noms that have been spotted, this is getting into the inane.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><span style="color:navy;"><b>3family6</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><span style="color:black;"><u>Talk to me</u></span></a> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><span style="color:purple;">See what I have done</span></a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-08T17:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z"></span>I agree with the Rambling Man that readers encountering a blurb about someone climbing a particular hill or mountain are likely to be perplexed by our lack of an article about it. And now that <a href="/wiki/Mount_Spencer_(New_Zealand)" class="mw-redirect" title="Mount Spencer (New Zealand)">Mount Spencer (New Zealand)</a> redirects to <a href="/wiki/Southern_Alps" title="Southern Alps">Southern Alps</a>, they stand to be even more confused by the absence of a single "Mount Spencer" mention contained therein.</dd> <dd>Irrespective of whether pulling the hook was <i>necessary</i>, wouldn't running it after an actual <a href="/wiki/Mount_Spencer_(New_Zealand)" class="mw-redirect" title="Mount Spencer (New Zealand)">Mount Spencer (New Zealand)</a> article has been written (assuming that it's sufficiently notable) be preferable? —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Levy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:David Levy">David Levy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-09T00:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z"></span>Preferable? Yes. Required? No. Pulling the hook because the mountain has no article was overreaction. People who write biographies are not usually experts on geography, and requiring them to write about something they're unfamiliar with is counterproductive. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zanhe" title="User:Zanhe">Zanhe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanhe" title="User talk:Zanhe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z-David_Levy-2016-02-09T00:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z"></span>It was neither inane nor counterproductive. I read the hook and thought "so what?" I don't know anything about Mount Spencer, nor whether climbing it is difficult or easy or anything. Moreover, running the hook with a redirect to the Southern Alps (where Spencer is not even mentioned) <i>would</i> be counterproductive. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-09T18:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-2016-02-11T00:52:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z"></span>I agree about the redirect. I don't know anything about Mount Spencer, but that doesn't mean that the hook is therefore uninteresting for all readers. If the article went through the review process correctly, then it means that the hook is cited, which means that at least one reliable source found the event notable.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><span style="color:navy;"><b>3family6</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><span style="color:black;"><u>Talk to me</u></span></a> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><span style="color:purple;">See what I have done</span></a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-3family6-2016-02-11T00:52:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-2016-02-11T00:52:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-2016-02-11T00:52:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T07:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Protected edit request on 11 February 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/3" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/3">Template:Did you know/Queue/3</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Re. Queue 3, "that when the <b><a href="/wiki/No._4_Elementary_Flying_Training_School_RAAF" title="No. 4 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF">No. 4 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF</a></b> opened in 1940..." -- per the convention for describing <a href="/wiki/Royal_Australian_Air_Force" title="Royal Australian Air Force">Royal Australian Air Force</a> units, there is no need for "the" in front of the training school's name. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_Rose" title="User:Ian Rose">Ian Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rose" title="User talk:Ian Rose">talk</a>) 04:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_Rose" title="User:Ian Rose">Ian Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Rose" title="User talk:Ian Rose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_11_February_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-11T07:16:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Done. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-11T07:16:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-11T07:16:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-11T07:16:00.000Z-Ian_Rose-2016-02-11T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Queue 2 Hindustani music overload<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"></span>"<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);"> that Kaushiki Chakraborty (pictured) sings khayals and thumris, which in Hindustani music are considered semi-classical or light classical?</span>"</dd> <dd>" <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">that Subhra Guha, a vocal musician in the Indian Hindustani classical music trained under the Agra gharana, has a singing repertoire in khayals, thumri and dadra?</span>"</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>In the same set? Really? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Fix it then? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:24:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z"></span>No, I'm not involved other than to check the quality of the articles going to the main page. If some admin decided we needed two Hindustani music items in one single set, perhaps there's a reason for it that I'm not aware of, like it may be Hindustani Music Week. Please try to be productive. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:24:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:24:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:24:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z"></span>And seriously, queue 4 has an article which claims "<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">.... to learn flute. They learned to play flute when their father who was working in <a href="/wiki/Afghanistan" title="Afghanistan">Afghanistan</a> suggested to them to learn to play the flute.</span>" Do we really need this sub-basic level of English prose on the main page of Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <dl><dd>(e/c) Queue 2 is protected, so I cannot edit it. I can only go as far as requesting sysops to edit it on my behalf, hence why I asked you to fix it. How about swapping it with George Alexander Gibson from queue 3 (don't forget to swap the credits too). Thanks, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z"></span>Well I removed the crap from Queue 4, that needs replacing by something. Queue 2 still has the Hindustani music overdose. It would be better for the <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">posting admin</a> to see this and fix it him/herself and to think harder in future about avoiding doing this again. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z"></span>There is no requirement in DYK guidelines for articles to have well-written English. If you want to improve the level of English then please go ahead, as that is normally how matters of poor English are resolved. As you have not stated any other reasons for its removal, I would advise a sysop to revert your edits. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T20:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T21:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z"></span>That it is not written in English should be a good starting point. Honestly, people like you are the reason that DYK is heading south and in the mire that it's in. There's no "requirement" for an article to be written in grammatically correct English? Do me a favour. Please go ahead an advise an admin to revert my edits, that would be just fine. Promote a bunch of crap to the main page, one whose title was even incorrect (despite being "reviewed" and "promoted"). Hopeless. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T21:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T21:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-10T21:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-10T20:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"></span>Okay - have swapped a hook each way between Q2 and Q4, to give us more time to slot one into Q4. <s>Will look for one for Q4 now</s>done <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z-Queue_2_Hindustani_music_overload"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-12T02:27:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z"></span>I've done some minor copy edits on <a href="/wiki/Subhra_Guha" title="Subhra Guha">Subhra Guha</a>, but the article could use some more work by someone who knows anything about this field. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-12T02:27:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-12T02:27:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-12T02:27:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-02-10T22:54:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z"><span id="Prep_4_.28Grammy_Awards_night.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Prep 4 (Grammy Awards night)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)"></span>After promoting a few Grammy-related hooks, I was wondering if we should populate this set with other music-oriented hooks? We have quite a few from the Women in Music editathon which <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Women_in_Red" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Women in Red">WP:Women in Red</a> ran recently. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z-Prep_4_(Grammy_Awards_night)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Sounds good to me. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T15:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span>. There's an album-oriented hook on the nomination page that I also think would go well here, <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Laid_Back_(album)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Laid Back (album)">Template:Did you know nominations/Laid Back (album)</a> but I'm waiting for the reviewer to answer my question on it. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-11T19:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-12T06:53:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z"></span>I could promote this nomination, but thought I'd have a stab at rewording the original blurb first. If nothing good comes out of it over the next 24 hours, I'll probably go with one of the alternative blurbs. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-12T06:53:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 12 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-12T06:53:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-12T06:53:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-11T21:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MOS_fix_in_Queue_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z"></span>MOS fix in Queue 4<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4"></span>In the second hook of <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/4" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/4">Queue 4</a>, the quotation marks around "<a href="/wiki/Sometime_(Gene_Thomas_song)" title="Sometime (Gene Thomas song)">Sometime</a>" should not be bold, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Additional_markup" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles">WP:Manual of Style/Titles#Additional markup</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mandarax" title="User:Mandarax"><span style="color:green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></span></a> <span style="color:blue">•</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mandarax" title="User talk:Mandarax"><span style="color:#999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z-MOS_fix_in_Queue_4"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z"></span>D. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-13T22:50:00.000Z-Mandarax-2016-02-13T22:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z"></span>Old nominations needing DYK reviewers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"></span>The previous list is down to six unreviewed entries, so I've compiled a new set of the 40 oldest nominations that need reviewing. As of the most recent update, 111 nominations have been approved, leaving 189 of 300 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the first six from January 19 and 20 that are left over from said previous list. </p> <ul><li>January 6: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/For_What_It%27s_Worth_(game_show),_Insert_Name_Here" title="Template:Did you know nominations/For What It's Worth (game show), Insert Name Here">Template:Did you know nominations/For What It's Worth (game show), Insert Name Here</a> (ALT hook needs checking)</li> <li><s>January 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Naji_Abu_Nowar" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Naji Abu Nowar">Template:Did you know nominations/Naji Abu Nowar</a></s></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ruhollah_Khomeini%27s_letter_to_Mikhail_Gorbachev" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ruhollah Khomeini's letter to Mikhail Gorbachev">Template:Did you know nominations/Ruhollah Khomeini's letter to Mikhail Gorbachev</a></s></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Princess_Feodora_of_Saxe-Meiningen" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Princess Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen">Template:Did you know nominations/Princess Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen</a></s></li> <li><s>January 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/2015_Singapore_Grand_Prix" title="Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Singapore Grand Prix">Template:Did you know nominations/2015 Singapore Grand Prix</a></s></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Syrnet" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Syrnet">Template:Did you know nominations/Syrnet</a></s></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Inauguration_of_Mauricio_Macri" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Inauguration of Mauricio Macri">Template:Did you know nominations/Inauguration of Mauricio Macri</a></s></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Il_Primo_Libro_delle_Canzoni" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni">Template:Did you know nominations/Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni</a></s></li> <li><s>January 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Detty_Kurnia" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Detty Kurnia">Template:Did you know nominations/Detty Kurnia</a></s></li> <li><s>January 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Post_Pop_Depression" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Post Pop Depression">Template:Did you know nominations/Post Pop Depression</a></s></li> <li><s>January 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Beatrice_Helen_Worsley" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Beatrice Helen Worsley">Template:Did you know nominations/Beatrice Helen Worsley</a></s></li> <li><s>January 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wang_Baosen" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Baosen">Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Baosen</a></s></li> <li><s>January 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Shooting_of_Anthony_Hill" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Shooting of Anthony Hill">Template:Did you know nominations/Shooting of Anthony Hill</a></s></li> <li><s>January 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Iarla_%C3%93_Lion%C3%A1ird" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Iarla Ó Lionáird">Template:Did you know nominations/Iarla Ó Lionáird</a></s></li> <li><s>January 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wadamisaki_Battery" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Wadamisaki Battery">Template:Did you know nominations/Wadamisaki Battery</a></s></li> <li><s>January 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Olly_Murs" title="Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Olly Murs">Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Olly Murs</a></s></li> <li><s>January 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Humble_and_Kind" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Humble and Kind">Template:Did you know nominations/Humble and Kind</a></s></li> <li><s>January 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Donnie_Darko:_The_Director%27s_Cut" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Donnie Darko: The Director's Cut">Template:Did you know nominations/Donnie Darko: The Director's Cut</a></s></li> <li>January 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/White_Privilege_II" title="Template:Did you know nominations/White Privilege II">Template:Did you know nominations/White Privilege II</a></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/State road D915 (Turkey)">Template:Did you know nominations/State road D915 (Turkey)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Harley-Davdson_KR" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Harley-Davdson KR">Template:Did you know nominations/Harley-Davdson KR</a></s></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mars,_Bars" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mars, Bars">Template:Did you know nominations/Mars, Bars</a></s></li> <li>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Plato%27s_unwritten_doctrines" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Plato's unwritten doctrines">Template:Did you know nominations/Plato's unwritten doctrines</a></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Green-legged_Partridge" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Green-legged Partridge">Template:Did you know nominations/Green-legged Partridge</a></s></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Great_Famine_of_Mount_Lebanon" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Great Famine of Mount Lebanon">Template:Did you know nominations/Great Famine of Mount Lebanon</a></s></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/William_Sterndale_Bennett" title="Template:Did you know nominations/William Sterndale Bennett">Template:Did you know nominations/William Sterndale Bennett</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Henry_Worsley_(explorer)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Worsley (explorer)">Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Worsley (explorer)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Norfolk_headless_body" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Norfolk headless body">Template:Did you know nominations/Norfolk headless body</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Bangalore_Blue" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Bangalore Blue">Template:Did you know nominations/Bangalore Blue</a></s></li> <li>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ace_(video_game)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ace (video game)">Template:Did you know nominations/Ace (video game)</a></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Guadeloupe_conference" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Guadeloupe conference">Template:Did you know nominations/Guadeloupe conference</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Panama_remote_controlled_vehicle" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Panama remote controlled vehicle">Template:Did you know nominations/Panama remote controlled vehicle</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Meson_bomb" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Meson bomb">Template:Did you know nominations/Meson bomb</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Turkey_Run_(West_Branch_Susquehanna_River),_Oak_Run_(Wolf_Run)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Turkey Run (West Branch Susquehanna River), Oak Run (Wolf Run)">Template:Did you know nominations/Turkey Run (West Branch Susquehanna River), Oak Run (Wolf Run)</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Glade_Run" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Glade Run">Template:Did you know nominations/Glade Run</a></s></li> <li>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Roman_Kukleta" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Kukleta">Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Kukleta</a></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/White_Deer_Creek" title="Template:Did you know nominations/White Deer Creek">Template:Did you know nominations/White Deer Creek</a></s></li> <li>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Godly_Response_to_Abuse_in_the_Christian_Environment" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment">Template:Did you know nominations/Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment</a></li> <li><s>January 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kashmir_Walnut_Wood_Carving" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving">Template:Did you know nominations/Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving</a></s></li> <li><s>January 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Philip_Livingston_Magnet_Academy" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Philip Livingston Magnet Academy">Template:Did you know nominations/Philip Livingston Magnet Academy</a></s></li> <li><s>January 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Postgame_Mortem" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Postgame Mortem">Template:Did you know nominations/Postgame Mortem</a></s></li> <li><s>January 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lou_Phillips" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Phillips">Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Phillips</a></s></li> <li>January 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Elizabeth_Jaffray" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Jaffray">Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Jaffray</a></li></ul> <p>Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-15T23:03:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Electioneering_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Electioneering_question-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Electioneering_question-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z"></span>Electioneering question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Electioneering_question-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z-Electioneering_question"></span>With regards to <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Korbin_Forrister" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Korbin Forrister">Template:Did you know nominations/Korbin Forrister</a>, nominated by <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">ZappaOMati</a> who has requested the associated hook be run on either February 19 or 21. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Content" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">Wikipedia:Did you know#Content</a> states that "Articles and hooks featuring election candidates up to 30 days before an election in which they are standing should be avoided, unless the hook is a "multi" that includes bolded links to new articles on all the main candidates." The <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary" title="United States presidential primary">U.S. primary season</a> is underway with <a href="/wiki/Super_Tuesday" title="Super Tuesday">Super Tuesday</a> two weeks from today. The proposed hook prominently mentions one current U.S. presidential candidate but the bolded link is to a non-candidate. Does the prominent mention violate DYK's existing electioneering rule or does the rule only apply to hooks where the bolded link is to a candidate? --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen3" title="User talk:Allen3">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z-Electioneering_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z-Electioneering_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z-Electioneering_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z"></span>I would normally say it's okay, but this hook almost sounds like an endorsement (I'm sure this wasn't its intention). The timing is unfortunate, since the US elections will go on for months. I can't decide what to do. If there are any other better hooks, that would be a fantastic solution. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z"></span>Allen3</a> There is a link in the hook directly to the Wikipedia article on Donald Trump's presidential campaign. The Republican primary in South Carolina is February 20. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T19:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z"></span>Maile66</a>, the existence of the link is why I was using the term "prominent mention". DYK has traditionally used the existence of a bolded link to determine whether an article has been "featured" for purposes of eligibility for future nominations. Applying the same standard in interpreting the electioneering rule would suggest the nominated hook is acceptable under the <a href="/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law" title="Letter and spirit of the law">letter of the law</a> while violating the spirit of the same rule. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen3" title="User talk:Allen3">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z"></span>I don't think running that hook on February 20 is appropriate. I do think there are other facts in the article that would make good alternate hooks and avoid the situation. That said, I also think that particular fact is particularly interesting and "hooky", although I was disappointed that the article provided no further detail in elaboration of that fact than the hook did. I notice that no one has pinged <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">ZappaOMati</a>, who might want to weigh in on this discussion. ~ <i><a href="/wiki/User:ONUnicorn" title="User:ONUnicorn"><span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span></a></i><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ONUnicorn" title="User talk:ONUnicorn">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn" title="Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn">Contribs</a>)</sup><small><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:P%26S" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:P&S">problem solving</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-16T19:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z"></span>The suggested days are the day before and day after the South Carolina primary. However, I wonder if it's possible to have a hook that doesn't link to a Wikipedia article on a candidate's campaign, the weekend of one of the primaries the candidate is competing in. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T19:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z"></span>Maile66</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a> Hmmmm, I wasn't expecting this to happen; guess it was just poor timing on my part since the <a href="/wiki/NextEra_Energy_Resources_250" class="mw-redirect" title="NextEra Energy Resources 250">NextEra Energy Resources 250</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Daytona_500" title="Daytona 500">Daytona 500</a> just happened to sandwich the SC primary.. Reading through the article, I can't really think of any other hooks outside of the Trump truck that'd be interesting, though. <b><span><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:blue;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:yellow;">24</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:red;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T19:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK">rules</a> seem to me to prohibit running the hook at the present time, and indeed until primary season is over (or Trump is out of the race, should that happen before the primaries conclude): <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Articles and hooks featuring election candidates up to 30 days before an election in which they are standing should be avoided</q> means that including Trump's presidential campaign, much less linking to it, is clearly to be avoided. "Feature" does not only mean bold link; Trump is the pivotal point in the hook. This means, unfortunately, that the hook could not run until June 8, the day after the final set of Republican primaries. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:44:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z"></span>BlueMoonset</a> I could wait until then (in fact, the 2016 edition of Eldora race that he ran the truck in is on July 20), but I was really banking on using this for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiCup" title="Wikipedia:WikiCup">WikiCup</a>. I guess some alternative hooks could be: <dl><dd>"... that <a href="/wiki/NASCAR" title="NASCAR">NASCAR</a> driver <b><a href="/wiki/Korbin_Forrister" title="Korbin Forrister">Korbin Forrister</a></b> spun out three times in the 2014 <a href="/wiki/Mudsummer_Classic" class="mw-redirect" title="Mudsummer Classic">Mudsummer Classic</a>?" The only problem with this is that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2011/10/31/2527550/brian-vickers-nascar-martinsville-speedway-wrecks-cautions-jimmie-johnson-2011">getting oneself involved in a lot of incidents isn't that uncommon</a>.</dd> <dd>"... that in 2012, <b><a href="/wiki/Korbin_Forrister" title="Korbin Forrister">Korbin Forrister</a></b> finished only one of nine <a href="/wiki/ARCA_Racing_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="ARCA Racing Series">ARCA Racing Series</a> events?" The problem with this is that his team was considered a <a href="/wiki/Start_and_park" title="Start and park">start and park</a>, so race retirements are the norm for them. <b><span><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:blue;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:yellow;">24</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:red;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:44:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:44:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T20:44:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-16T20:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z-Electioneering_question"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">ZappaOMati</a>:</span> How about something like: </p> <ul><li><b>Alt</b> "... that <b><a href="/wiki/Korbin_Forrister" title="Korbin Forrister">Korbin Forrister</a></b> has been <a href="/wiki/Stock_car_racing" title="Stock car racing">racing stock cars</a> since he was nine years old?"</li> <li><b>Alt</b> "... that after high school, <b><a href="/wiki/Korbin_Forrister" title="Korbin Forrister">Korbin Forrister</a></b> was forced to choose between <a href="/wiki/Baseball" title="Baseball">baseball</a> and <a href="/wiki/Stock_car_racing" title="Stock car racing">stock car racing</a>?"</li></ul> <p>Those stuck out to me when I was reading it. ~ <i><a href="/wiki/User:ONUnicorn" title="User:ONUnicorn"><span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span></a></i><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ONUnicorn" title="User talk:ONUnicorn">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn" title="Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn">Contribs</a>)</sup><small><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:P%26S" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:P&S">problem solving</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z-Electioneering_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z-Electioneering_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z-Electioneering_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ONUnicorn" title="User:ONUnicorn">ONUnicorn</a>:</span> Racing stock cars as a kid is actually pretty common like <a href="/wiki/Joey_Logano" title="Joey Logano">Joey Logano</a> and <a href="/wiki/Todd_Gilliland" title="Todd Gilliland">Todd Gilliland</a>. For the baseball one, there are some drivers that did both like <a href="/wiki/Austin_Dillon" title="Austin Dillon">Austin Dillon</a>. Though if I had to choose between the two, I'd personally go for the baseball one. <b><span><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:blue;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:yellow;">24</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:red;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z-ONUnicorn-2016-02-16T20:59:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-17T06:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z"></span>I have just struck the Trump-related hook on the nomination template; once we have new non-Trump ALT hooks that seem feasible, they should be added to that template so they can be reviewed there. February 19 and 21 are not that far away... <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-17T06:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-17T06:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-17T06:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2016-02-16T21:09:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Test_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Test_page-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Test_page-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Test page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Test_page-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z-Test_page"></span>If I create a new nom and then immediately delete that page, any damage done? <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z-Test_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 17 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z-Test_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-17T19:10:00.000Z-Test_page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="edit_request:_"has_been"" data-mw-thread-id="h-edit_request:_"has_been"-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z"><span id="edit_request:_.22has_been.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-edit_request:_"has_been"-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z"></span>edit request: "has been"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-edit_request:_"has_been"-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z-edit_request:_"has_been""></span>in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/3" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/3">Queue 3</a>, I'm pretty sure <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...that for over 40 years, the one constant at the Maine Children's Home for Little Wanderers is Sharon H. Abrams?</q> would be better as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...<b>has been</b> Sharon Abrams</q>. Could some attentive admin please fix this before it goes out? <a href="/wiki/User:FourViolas" title="User:FourViolas">FourViolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FourViolas" title="User talk:FourViolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z-edit_request:_"has_been"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z-edit_request:_"has_been""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z-edit_request:_"has_been""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-02-18T08:22:00.000Z-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z"></span>Good point. Done. <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-02-18T08:22:00.000Z-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-02-18T08:22:00.000Z-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-02-18T08:22:00.000Z-FourViolas-2016-02-18T06:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down" data-mw-thread-id="h-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z"><span id="Earwig.27s_copyvio_detector_is_down"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z"></span>Earwig's copyvio detector is down<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down"></span>Been trying to use this and keep getting error messages. Anybody have a clue as to when it will be back? <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z-Earwig's_copyvio_detector_is_down"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:36:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z"></span>Never mind. It's back. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:36:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:36:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:36:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-19T20:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="T:DYK_not_updated" data-mw-thread-id="h-T:DYK_not_updated-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-T:DYK_not_updated-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z"></span>T:DYK not updated<span data-mw-comment-end="h-T:DYK_not_updated-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z-T:DYK_not_updated"></span>The bot hasn't updated <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Template:Did you know</a>. It's ten minutes overdue, which is very unusual. I'd suggest manually updating with <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/6" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/6">Template:Did you know/Queue/6</a>. Thanks, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z-T:DYK_not_updated" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z-T:DYK_not_updated"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z-T:DYK_not_updated"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z"></span>I will start a manual update. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen3" title="User talk:Allen3">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T00:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z"></span>Manual update completed. Outage appears to be related to some <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-l/2016-February/004308.html">maintenance on the servers</a>. A message has been sent to the bot operator asking him to check on the bot's status. --<i><a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allen3" title="User talk:Allen3">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T01:31:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. Very swift response. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T01:31:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T01:31:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T01:31:00.000Z-Allen3-2016-02-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Upcoming_anniversary_review_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z"></span>Upcoming anniversary review request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request"></span>Since no one has attended to it, I would like to see if we can get <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Murder_of_Robert_Wykel" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Robert Wykel">my nomination</a> for <a href="/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_Wykel" title="Murder of Robert Wykel">Murder of Robert Wykel</a> reviewed in time for my requested run date of Feb. 23 (next Thursday, in North America), the 20th anniversary of the last day Wykel was seen. <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z-Upcoming_anniversary_review_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z"></span>I am in the process of reviewing this. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-19T04:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Case" title="User:Daniel Case">Daniel Case</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Case" title="User talk:Daniel Case">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-19T07:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-20T06:34:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z"></span>This is now ready to go. I reckon adding it to Prep 1 would put it on the main page for February 23. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-20T06:34:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-20T06:34:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-20T06:34:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2016-02-20T01:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prep_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prep_2-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prep_2-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z"></span>Prep 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prep_2-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z-Prep_2"></span>Honestly, this is one of the most unhooky hooks I've ever seen. I would never click on it: </p> <ul><li>... that the director of <i><b><a href="/wiki/Saving_Mes_Aynak" title="Saving Mes Aynak">Saving Mes Aynak</a></b></i> presented Afghani leaders with a <a href="/wiki/Petition" title="Petition">petition</a> signed by 100,000 people in support of the preservation of <a href="/wiki/Mes_Aynak" title="Mes Aynak">Mes Aynak</a>?</li></ul> <p>It would be better to replace the second "Mes Aynak" with "the 5,000-year-old archeological site", but that would need to be sourced in the article. I recommend sending this one back to the nominations area for further work. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z-Prep_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z-Prep_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z-Prep_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z"></span>It's been pulled. Ready for comments at the nomination page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-19T12:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northamerica1000-2016-02-20T06:38:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> I have responded at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Saving_Mes_Aynak" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Saving Mes Aynak">Template:Did you know nominations/Saving Mes Aynak</a>. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><a href="/wiki/User:Northamerica1000" title="User:Northamerica1000">North America</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northamerica1000" title="User talk:Northamerica1000"><span style="font-size:x-small;">1000</span></a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Northamerica1000-2016-02-20T06:38:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northamerica1000-2016-02-20T06:38:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northamerica1000-2016-02-20T06:38:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T18:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Picture_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Picture_for_deletion-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Picture_for_deletion-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Picture for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Picture_for_deletion-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z-Picture_for_deletion"></span>What's the protocol for lead hook images that are nominated for deletion on Wikimedia Commons? Should we look for alternatives right now or wait to see if it's deleted. This is in regards to <a href="/wiki/File:Liang_Siyong.jpg" title="File:Liang Siyong.jpg">File:Liang Siyong.jpg</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z-Picture_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z-Picture_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z-Picture_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z"></span>I guess it depends on how likely the file is going to be deleted. The image in question is public domain in China and almost certainly public domain in the US (taken in the 1920s, not restored by URAA). Besides, WMF no longer deletes files simply because of URAA. See <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Massive_restoration_of_deleted_images_by_the_URAA" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:Massive restoration of deleted images by the URAA">Commons:Commons:Massive restoration of deleted images by the URAA</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zanhe" title="User:Zanhe">Zanhe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanhe" title="User talk:Zanhe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T02:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z"></span>Should we wait for the file description page to be updated? It doesn't mention its licensure in the US, let alone the rationale for such. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T03:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z"></span>It's public domain in the US per PD-1996. I've added the copyright tag to the image. In any case, the Commons now accepts works whose copyright has expired in their home countries, regardless of their US status. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zanhe" title="User:Zanhe">Zanhe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanhe" title="User talk:Zanhe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T04:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for clearing up the file description page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:32, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T04:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> It would be helpful if you could withdraw the nomination for deletion, otherwise it may be still open when the image hits the main page. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zanhe" title="User:Zanhe">Zanhe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanhe" title="User talk:Zanhe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T05:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z"></span>I still have reservations about the file. I do not know how to withdraw nominations on Commons. Input from other users would be appreciated as this is scheduled to appear in a few days. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-21T19:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-21T23:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> I find no specific instructions on Commons to withdraw a nomination. Perhaps you can post a statement on the nomination template that you wish to have it withdrawn, and state why. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-21T23:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-21T23:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-21T23:06:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-21T19:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fossil_eggs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fossil_eggs-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fossil_eggs-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span>Fossil eggs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fossil_eggs-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z-Fossil_eggs"></span>A series of repetitive hooks naming "a kind of <a href="/wiki/Egg_fossil" title="Egg fossil">fossil egg</a>" is appearing quite frequently in the queue. If they are appearing in such rapid succession, I think this wording needs to be changed. Also, while I fixed the link (it's <a href="/wiki/Egg_fossil" title="Egg fossil">egg fossil</a>, not <a href="/wiki/Fossil_egg" class="mw-redirect" title="Fossil egg">fossil egg</a>) in Prep 5, the link is incorrect in Queue 1 and Prep 1. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z-Fossil_eggs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z-Fossil_eggs"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z-Fossil_eggs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span>I edited the Prep 1 hook. The link in Queue 1 needs to be fixed by an administrator, please. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z"></span>I've piped it in Queue 1. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-21T23:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-22T21:58:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-22T21:58:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-22T21:58:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-22T21:58:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Chestnut cake in Queue 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/2">Template:Did you know/Queue/2</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The lead article in Queue 2 is <a href="/wiki/Chestnut_cake" title="Chestnut cake">chestnut cake</a>, but the hook and image are about <a href="/wiki/Water_chestnut_cake" title="Water chestnut cake">water chestnut cake</a>. Despite the similar names, they are different things, and water chestnut cake has its own article. I believe the hook should be pulled. See also discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Chestnut_cake" title="Talk:Chestnut cake">Talk:Chestnut cake</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zanhe" title="User:Zanhe">Zanhe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanhe" title="User talk:Zanhe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z-Chestnut_cake_in_Queue_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Its character count would be about 1,400 if the water chestnut cake is split. I'd also advise pulling it and waiting to see if it can be expanded. If it's expanded between now and being pulled then may be a simple case of selecting a different image. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-22T00:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z"></span>Agree it should be pulled. The two things are not in the least the same and the cuisines are disjoint. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T01:36:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-2016-02-22T23:51:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z"></span>Done. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Crisco_1492-2016-02-22T23:51:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-2016-02-22T23:51:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-2016-02-22T23:51:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-22T17:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z"></span>Help in slightly modifying the hook of an article promoted to the prep area<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area"></span>Hi all. I needed help with the <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Rahul_Thakkar" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Rahul Thakkar">Template:Did you know nominations/Rahul Thakkar</a> which has been promoted to the Prep area. The current hook reads: </p> <ul><li>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Rahul_Thakkar" title="Rahul Thakkar">Rahul Thakkar</a></b>, an <a href="/wiki/Indian" class="mw-disambig" title="Indian">Indian</a> <a href="/wiki/Animation" title="Animation">animation</a> expert, jointly won the <a href="/wiki/Academy_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="Academy Award">Academy Award</a> in 2016 for <a href="/wiki/Academy_Scientific_and_Technical_Award" title="Academy Scientific and Technical Award">scientific and technical achievement</a>?</li></ul> <p>I wanted to slightly modify it as per the article to: </p> <ul><li>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Rahul_Thakkar" title="Rahul Thakkar">Rahul Thakkar</a></b>, an <a href="/wiki/Indian-Americans" class="mw-redirect" title="Indian-Americans">Indian-American</a> software inventor, jointly won the <a href="/wiki/Academy_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="Academy Award">Academy Award</a> in 2016 for <a href="/wiki/Academy_Scientific_and_Technical_Award" title="Academy Scientific and Technical Award">scientific and technical achievement</a>?</li></ul> <p>I don't know where to post requests for Hook updations after the DYK nomination has been promoted. Please help. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Xender_Lourdes" title="User:Xender Lourdes">Xender Lourdes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xender_Lourdes" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Xender Lourdes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z-Help_in_slightly_modifying_the_hook_of_an_article_promoted_to_the_prep_area"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z"></span>This is indeed the right place to post for help. Do you have a source the shows he is Indian-American? The inline citations are a bit jumbled in the article for me to easily access this fact. Thanks. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T03:10:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z"></span>Oh thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:Black;">Jolly</span></a> for the reply. There are quite a few sources available for Indian American, one being <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.indiawest.com/entertainment/global/indian-american-technologist-rahul-thakkar-wins-oscar-for-technical-achievement/article_bce61438-c135-11e5-8772-5f2e85fb0224.html">this source</a> that was listed in the article (currently at #1). The headline of the article says, <i>"Indian American Technologist Rahul Thakkar Wins Oscar for Technical Achievement"</i>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Xender_Lourdes" title="User:Xender Lourdes">Xender Lourdes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xender_Lourdes" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Xender Lourdes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T05:16:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z"></span>I have changed his nationality. I wasn't sure about the term "software inventor", as the source didn't use that term. It went with "technologist", but I found this too ambiguous, so I've gone with "software developer", as it talks about him developing software several times. I hope this is okay. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-22T14:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-23T02:40:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z"></span>Sounds perfect. Thank you once more <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:Black;">Jolly</span></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Xender_Lourdes" title="User:Xender Lourdes">Xender Lourdes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xender_Lourdes" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Xender Lourdes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-23T02:40:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-23T02:40:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xender_Lourdes-2016-02-23T02:40:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-22T20:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z"></span>Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"></span>The previous list was archived a couple of hours ago, so I've compiled a new set of the 37 oldest nominations that need reviewing, including hooks through the end of January. As of the most recent update, 85 nominations have been approved, leaving 179 of 264 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the first seven from that are left over from the previous list. </p> <ul><li><s>January 6: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/For_What_It%27s_Worth_(game_show),_Insert_Name_Here" title="Template:Did you know nominations/For What It's Worth (game show), Insert Name Here">Template:Did you know nominations/For What It's Worth (game show), Insert Name Here</a> (ALT hook needs checking)</s></li> <li><s>January 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Getaway_Car" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Getaway Car">Template:Did you know nominations/The Getaway Car</a></s></li> <li><s>January 12: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Debopriya_Chatterjee_and_Suchismita_Chatterjee%27" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Debopriya Chatterjee and Suchismita Chatterjee'">Template:Did you know nominations/Debopriya Chatterjee and Suchismita Chatterjee'‎</a></s></li> <li>January 20: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Inauguration_of_Mauricio_Macri" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Inauguration of Mauricio Macri">Template:Did you know nominations/Inauguration of Mauricio Macri</a></s></li> <li>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Guy_ropes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes">Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes</a></li> <li><s>January 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/White_Privilege_II" title="Template:Did you know nominations/White Privilege II">Template:Did you know nominations/White Privilege II</a></s></li> <li><s>January 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Plato%27s_unwritten_doctrines" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Plato's unwritten doctrines">Template:Did you know nominations/Plato's unwritten doctrines</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ace_(video_game)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ace (video game)">Template:Did you know nominations/Ace (video game)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Roman_Kukleta" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Kukleta">Template:Did you know nominations/Roman Kukleta</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Godly_Response_to_Abuse_in_the_Christian_Environment" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment">Template:Did you know nominations/Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment</a></s></li> <li><s>January 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Elizabeth_Jaffray" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Jaffray">Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Jaffray</a></s></li> <li><s>January 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hetty_Reckless" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Hetty Reckless">Template:Did you know nominations/Hetty Reckless</a></s></li> <li><s>January 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Children%27s_Village_(New_York)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Children's Village (New York)">Template:Did you know nominations/Children's Village (New York)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Commensurate_line_circuit" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Commensurate line circuit">Template:Did you know nominations/Commensurate line circuit</a></s></li> <li><s>January 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sarasvati-rahasya_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sarasvati-rahasya Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Sarasvati-rahasya Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Entrambasaguas" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Entrambasaguas">Template:Did you know nominations/Entrambasaguas</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Devanahalli_Pomello" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Devanahalli Pomello">Template:Did you know nominations/Devanahalli Pomello</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kamiya_Kaoru" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kamiya Kaoru">Template:Did you know nominations/Kamiya Kaoru</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Bahvricha_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Bahvricha Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Bahvricha Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ayers_Rock_(band)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ayers Rock (band)">Template:Did you know nominations/Ayers Rock (band)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Erica_Campbell_(musician)_Tina_Campbell_(musician)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Erica Campbell (musician) Tina Campbell (musician)">Template:Did you know nominations/Erica Campbell (musician) Tina Campbell (musician)</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li><s>January 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Fantasia_on_Welsh_Nursery_Tunes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Fantasia on Welsh Nursery Tunes">Template:Did you know nominations/Fantasia on Welsh Nursery Tunes</a></s></li> <li><s>January 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Her_Story_(video_game)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Her Story (video game)">Template:Did you know nominations/Her Story (video game)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/TNGHT_(EP)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/TNGHT (EP)">Template:Did you know nominations/TNGHT (EP)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Charles_Tuaau" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Tuaau">Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Tuaau</a></s></li> <li><s>January 30: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Antonia_Fahberg" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Antonia Fahberg">Template:Did you know nominations/Antonia Fahberg</a></s></li> <li><s>January 30: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hyperloop_pod_competition" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperloop pod competition">Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperloop pod competition</a></s></li> <li>January 30: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Eivind_Astrup" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Eivind Astrup">Template:Did you know nominations/Eivind Astrup</a></s></li> <li><s>January 30: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Adam_Frazier" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Adam Frazier">Template:Did you know nominations/Adam Frazier</a></s></li> <li>January 30: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Orissa_Ikat" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Orissa Ikat">Template:Did you know nominations/Orissa Ikat</a></s></li> <li>January 30: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Sayasila" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Sayasila">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Sayasila</a></s></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Portrait_of_Maria_Portinari" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Maria Portinari">Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Maria Portinari</a></s></li> <li>January 31: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Elisabeth_Sch%C3%A4rtel" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Elisabeth Schärtel">Template:Did you know nominations/Elisabeth Schärtel</a></s></li> <li>January 31: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Un-American_Graffiti" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Un-American Graffiti">Template:Did you know nominations/Un-American Graffiti</a></s></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Makrana_marble" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Makrana marble">Template:Did you know nominations/Makrana marble</a></s></li> <li>January 31: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Toda_Embroidery" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Toda Embroidery">Template:Did you know nominations/Toda Embroidery</a></s></li> <li>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Northampton_War_Memorial" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Northampton War Memorial">Template:Did you know nominations/Northampton War Memorial</a></li> <li>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Skyway_Monte_Bianco" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Skyway Monte Bianco">Template:Did you know nominations/Skyway Monte Bianco</a></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Joseph_Tucker_(Royal_Navy_official)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Tucker (Royal Navy official)">Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Tucker (Royal Navy official)</a></s></li> <li>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Tripura_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Tripura Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Tripura Upanishad</a></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/GMO_conspiracy_theory" title="Template:Did you know nominations/GMO conspiracy theory">Template:Did you know nominations/GMO conspiracy theory</a></s></li></ul> <p>Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-23T03:39:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2FState_road_D915_.28Turkey.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z"></span>Template:Did you know nominations/State road D915 (Turkey)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)"></span>Can someone please check the status of my nomination <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/State road D915 (Turkey)">Template:Did you know nominations/State road D915 (Turkey)</a>, which disappeared from <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Template talk:Did you know</a> without any notice. It is not listed even in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Removed" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed">Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CeeGee" title="User talk:CeeGee">CeeGee</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:12, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/State_road_D915_(Turkey)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CeeGee" title="User:CeeGee">CeeGee</a>:</span> It has been restored. Never properly reviewed, it should not have been closed out as it was. It now has the turn-around tick asking for a review. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z-CeeGee-2016-02-22T06:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CeeGee-2016-02-23T05:11:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Thank you very much indeed for the clarification. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CeeGee" title="User talk:CeeGee">CeeGee</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-CeeGee-2016-02-23T05:11:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CeeGee-2016-02-23T05:11:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CeeGee-2016-02-23T05:11:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-22T13:32:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Removed hook from mainpage: Worsley hook had dubious claim<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim"></span>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Henry_Worsley_(explorer)" title="Henry Worsley (explorer)">Henry Worsley</a></b> attempted to complete the first solo and unaided crossing of the Antarctic, but died with only 30 miles to go?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Henry_Worsley_(explorer)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Worsley (explorer)">Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Worsley (explorer)</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Edwardx" title="User:Edwardx">Edwardx</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> </p><p>The hook was adequately sourced, but probably wrong. <a href="/wiki/B%C3%B8rge_Ousland" title="Børge Ousland">Børge Ousland</a> made the first solo and unaided crossing of the Antarctic already in 1996-1997, as reported in our article and in books like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=NXzZ_bq7i_gC&pg=PA627&dq=borge+++ousland&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9-tyLz43LAhXG2RoKHaz8BMsQ6AEIJzAC#v=onepage&q=borge%20%20%20ousland&f=false">this</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=YrsPAQAAIAAJ&dq=borge+++ousland+antarctic+1997&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=borge+++ousland">this</a> and as reported in e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35398552">this BBC source</a> about the death of Worsley. According to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/gold-coast-adventurer-reaches-south-pole/story-fni0xqi3-1226790728480">this news article</a>, there has been at least one other person (also a Norwegian) to achieve the same feat. It is also recognised as such bu Guinness World Records<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/fastest-solo-crossing-of-antarctica">[10]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z-Removed_hook_from_mainpage:_Worsley_hook_had_dubious_claim"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-23T10:28:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span>The claim that he was 30 miles from his goal was reported in reliable sources such as the BBC. The claim that his "ultimate goal" was further away does not appear to be based on reliable sources - it may be correct, but seems to be synthesis based on a blog. The wording of the hook was misleading in using the words "solo and unaided" - in particular, the word "and". It was intended as the first "solo unaided" attempt - as I understand it, the successful Ousland crossing was the first solo crossing, <i>but was not unaided</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghmyrtle" title="User:Ghmyrtle">Ghmyrtle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghmyrtle" title="User talk:Ghmyrtle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-23T10:28:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-23T10:28:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghmyrtle-2016-02-23T10:28:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small> The article does include a (sourced) explanation as to the difference between Worsley's crossing and Ousland's—Ousland used a kite to haul supplies, which Worsley did not, hence <i>unaided</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Grapple_X" title="User:Grapple X"><b>G<small>RAPPLE</small></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grapple_X" title="User talk:Grapple X"><b><small><sup>X</sup></small></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but the sources I provided call Ouslands attempts "unaided" as well, so the difference made in the article is contradicted by at least some reliable sources. Guinness 2004 states "The fastest and first ever unaided solo crossing of the Antarctic continent was achieved by Borge Ousland (Norway), who completed the 1,671-mile (2,690-km) trek on January 18, 1997"<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=zs9aAAAAYAAJ&q=ousland+solo+unaided+1997+antarctic&dq=ousland+solo+unaided+1997+antarctic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijut2A2I3LAhVKAxoKHW2wDhYQ6AEIMzAF">[11]</a> This source also gives it as "unaided" and adds a second person to do the same, Rune Gjeldnes<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.skiracing.com/stories/norwegian-gjeldnes-completes-worlds-longest-ski-trek">[12]</a>. BBC in 1999: "Another Norwegian, Boerge Ousland, completed a 64-day trek across Antarctica on 18 January 1997, becoming the first person to cross the continent alone and unaided. "<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/281747.stm">[13]</a> Associated Press still makes the same claim<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3393158/Monday-January-18.html">[14]</a>. I understand the difference between the Worsley crossing and the Ousland (and later others) crossing, but the hook claim is at least clearly debatable. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:55:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z"></span>So we have a statement which is reliably sourced, but refuted by other reliable sources not present, so it's entirely understandable how it was passed. It seems a simple wording change would have sufficed; "... that <b><a href="/wiki/Henry_Worsley_(explorer)" title="Henry Worsley (explorer)">Henry Worsley</a></b> attempted to complete <i>a</i> solo and unaided crossing of the Antarctic, but died with only 30 miles to go" would have been irrefutable with either set of sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Grapple_X" title="User:Grapple X"><b>G<small>RAPPLE</small></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grapple_X" title="User talk:Grapple X"><b><small><sup>X</sup></small></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:55:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:55:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grapple_X-2016-02-23T10:55:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-23T10:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Checking_daily_views" data-mw-thread-id="h-Checking_daily_views-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Checking_daily_views-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Checking daily views<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Checking_daily_views-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span>The bar graph showing the daily views isn't working when checking the totals. — <a href="/wiki/User:Calvin999" title="User:Calvin999"><b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Could you be more specific? Maybe worth posting at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Statistics" title="Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Statistics">Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Statistics</a>? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T21:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z"></span>Go to <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_songs_recorded_by_Little_Mix" title="Talk:List of songs recorded by Little Mix">Talk:List of songs recorded by Little Mix</a> and click "check views" for the DYK, it doesn't work, or for any DYK actually. <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a> — <a href="/wiki/User:Calvin999" title="User:Calvin999"><b style="color:#595454">Calvin999</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z"></span>Try manually typing the name of the article in the field populated by "cat" and "dog." -- <a href="/wiki/User:Notecardforfree" title="User:Notecardforfree">Notecardforfree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Notecardforfree" title="User talk:Notecardforfree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z-Calvin999-2016-02-14T22:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z"></span>It's using stats.grok.se, which has been defunct for three weeks. Wikipedia has now switched to <a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews">https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews</a>, but the DYK talk page templates haven't been updated. I think we would need to create a new template, as the old ones go by stats.grok.se and the newer ones (since January 21) should go by wmflabs. I have pinged <a href="/wiki/User:Shubinator" title="User:Shubinator">User:Shubinator</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z"></span>My mistake; I thought you were referring to the page views counter at <a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews">https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews</a>, rather than the one on the DYK talk page templates. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Notecardforfree" title="User:Notecardforfree">Notecardforfree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Notecardforfree" title="User talk:Notecardforfree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-14T22:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>:</span> One more favor please? <a href="/wiki/Template:DYK_talk" title="Template:DYK talk">Template:DYK talk</a> is a protected template, and is configured to stats.grok. Could you please fix it so it links to the Pageviews Analysis? Thanks, if you are able to do this for us. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z-Notecardforfree-2016-02-14T22:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">Maile66</a>:</span>, I'm pretty sure Pageviews Analysis doesn't go all that far back in time, so all our older DYKs will have a link on their talk page which doesn't show their views at the time they were on the Main Page. I don't think it's quite as simple as switching the link. Although I think somewhere before 2009, the page view numbers were stated in the template itself. Pageviews Analysis isn't working for me right now, so I can't determine how far they go back. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-15T23:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z"></span>Oh, I see. Well, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121&oldid=705022822#Page_view_stats_has_a_temporary_fix">this</a> previous discussion here on the talk page, might offer a little insight, but I'm not sure. Maybe stats.grok has been disabled, but I really don't know that for sure. When I try to use stats.grok I get "internal server error" . <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-15T23:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:34:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z"></span>FYI Pageview Analysis isn't working for anybody right now, I think. It was fine a few minutes ago. Now it just has that little spinning thing in the middle of the page, and nothing happens. Maybe this is what happens when it's loading the stats for the previous 24 hours. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:34:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:34:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:34:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-16T00:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span>Oh boy. Two things (1) the WMF-provided pageviews API indeed does not go back further than October 2015. There is talk that they will backfill historical data. Until then, you're unfortunately on your own <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/18px-Face-sad.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/27px-Face-sad.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/36px-Face-sad.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> I guess we need to make a new <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:DYK_talk" title="Template:DYK talk">DYK talk</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to use on new DYKs until WMF backfills this data. stats.grok.se still works sometimes, I think. (2) I f-ed up royally earlier. I deployed a major reworking of the tool in an effort to make it more maintainable. I think it was simple careless error that caused it to fail in Firefox, but it should have still worked in Chrome. Anyway all should be well now, and moving forward I'm going to have better automated testing <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for your continued work on the pageviews API. I have fairly limited experience with templates, but there may be a possibility to use an if function to set anything post-21 January to use WMFlabs without the need for a completely new template. If, not having two different templates isn't a big deal, since a bot is responsible for adding it to talk pages. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T03:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z"></span>Ah yes, that makes incredibly more sense :) I'm certain we could use either some parser functions or Lua magic to show which tool has data for the given range. Note they use different URL parameters, see <a href="https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews/url_structure" class="extiw" title="toollabs:pageviews/url structure">toollabs:pageviews/url_structure</a> for the new tool. You could provide the exact day the article was a DYK, but you'll probably want to go with say, 15 days prior to 15 days after, for better historical comparison. I'm only but so good at templating, so going to defer that bit of work to a template editor who is more qualified <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-16T03:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T13:12:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>:</span> Thank you for your response, and for your continued efforts on this issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-16T13:12:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T13:12:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-16T13:12:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-16T04:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span>Either we will have to keep the old DYKstats list over most viewed articles, and then start a new one for the new stats tool. As it obviously doesnt go back far enough it is easier to start a completely new one in my opinion. Also, the issue of the DYK template that is put at the talk pages of the DYK articles, and the stats tool that is linked to it needs to be discussed. I think the new stats tool need to be linked instead of the old one, from now on atleast.<a href="/wiki/User:BabbaQ" title="User:BabbaQ">BabbaQ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BabbaQ" title="User talk:BabbaQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z"></span>Yes it's just a matter of using some parser functions to make the template produce the right link – based on the date that was passed in. I lied and said I'm unqualified to do this... it's just not particularly fun =P I can take a stab at it in the template sandbox <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-19T21:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z"></span>I'd rather wait til the end of February to do an evaluation of discrepancy between the new tool and stats.grok. As of now, I haven't noticed too much difference in February's list of hooks over 5,000 views. I'm leaning towards favouring a mixture of stats.grok and pageviews API for the all-time leaderboard. If there's any hint of Wikipedia using DYK on its mobile version in the future then I'd definitely support a completely new one. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z"></span>I think the issue is stats.grok.se doesn't work at all anymore, and the new pageviews API doesn't have data older than October 2015. There's talk WMF will backfill the data, but until then we have to rely on both tools. Even if stats.grok.se is revived, you'll most certainly want to use the new API moving forward as I'm told it's very close to 100% accurate. For DYKs it's true that there's a marginal difference, since as you know these are not featured on the mobile version of the site <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T21:39:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T21:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span>Alright, I've got it all coded up at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:DYK_talk/sandbox" title="Template:DYK talk/sandbox">DYK talk/sandbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. For the new tool it will show the target day plus and minus 10 days – as a ~20-day window gives the optimal appearance, and still gives you plenty of comparison. That being said, 11 October is the threshold day where DYKs will use the new tool, as it does not have data older than 1 October. See the <a href="/wiki/Template:DYK_talk/testcases" title="Template:DYK talk/testcases">test cases</a> for examples, comparing the links at the top of the Sandbox section and the bottom of the section. Barring objections I'll merge this into the core template <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z"></span>Looks good! While I'm at it, I also noticed we don't use commas to separate thousand intervals. Would be nice to see this used, but it looks ready to go, as this was already a problem. Thanks, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T22:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T23:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Also added the numerical localization <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:DYK_talk/sandbox&diff=705851755&oldid=705847783">[15]</a>. People might complain about that, we'll see. It goes by the wiki's default locale, which for enwiki means commas, but some people might get confused if they're used to periods. Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T23:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T23:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-19T23:00:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>:</span> would it be possible for you to also update <a href="/wiki/Template:UpdatedDYK" title="Template:UpdatedDYK">Template:UpdatedDYK</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:UpdatedDYKNom" title="Template:UpdatedDYKNom">Template:UpdatedDYKNom</a>? These templates are subst-ed onto user talk pages (usually by DYKUpdateBot), so the old tool can be removed entirely. <a href="/wiki/User:SSTflyer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SSTflyer"><span style="color:black">sst</span>✈</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SSTflyer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:SSTflyer">(conjugate)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z-Checking_daily_views"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z"></span>The stats tool is still down. <a href="/wiki/User:BabbaQ" title="User:BabbaQ">BabbaQ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BabbaQ" title="User talk:BabbaQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z-SSTflyer-2016-02-21T13:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-23T17:24:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SSTflyer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SSTflyer">SSTflyer</a>:</span> Updated those two templates. I think I did it right... let me know if you have any issues. Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">— <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-23T17:24:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-23T17:24:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal-2016-02-23T17:24:00.000Z-BabbaQ-2016-02-21T14:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z"></span>Tweak needed for current Queue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"></span>In queue 4 (the next to hit the main page), we have </p> <ul><li>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Liang_Siyong" title="Liang Siyong">Liang Siyong</a></b> <i>(pictured)</i> was one of the first archaeologists in China?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Liang_Siyong" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Liang Siyong">Template:Did you know nominations/Liang Siyong</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Kingoflettuce" title="User:Kingoflettuce">Kingoflettuce</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a>:</span> </p><p>Liang Siyong was one of the first generation of Chinese archaeologists, but the first archaeologists in China were actually foreigners (Europeans) working in the decades preceding Liang. Wouldn't it be less ambiguous and more correct to state </p> <ul><li>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Liang_Siyong" title="Liang Siyong">Liang Siyong</a></b> <i>(pictured)</i> was one of the first Chinese archaeologists?</li></ul> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com.sg/books?hl=nl&id=UQKyAAAAQBAJ&q=siyong#v=onepage&q=siyong&f=false">this</a> (used as source for the hook in the article) explains what I mean in more detail. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-24T13:39:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"></span>The original hook is specific to China. Your suggestion is specific to ethnicity, which changes the meaning. Chinese were not limited to China. How about: </p> <ul><li>... that <a href="/wiki/Liang_Siyong" title="Liang Siyong">Liang Siyong</a> (pictured) is thought to to have conducted "one of China's first scientific excavations" at <a href="/wiki/Qiqihar" title="Qiqihar">Qiqihar</a>?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z-Tweak_needed_for_current_Queue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z"></span>Fixed per initial suggestion. If a more radical overhaul is needed, suggest the hook is pulled. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-24T13:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. Maile66, of course my suggestion changed the meaning, otherwise (if it was purely cosmetic) I would just have done it, or not bothered to raise it here. The original had an ambiguous meaning (first archaeologists working in China, or first ones born in China?), my change removed that ambiguity and was closer to what the source said. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:14:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-24T14:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Black_History_Mth" data-mw-thread-id="h-Black_History_Mth-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Black_History_Mth-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z"></span>Black History Mth<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Black_History_Mth-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z-Black_History_Mth"></span>Hi. Perhaps you are planning a date for related articles and I should have mentioned it in the nom, but FYI <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Black_Metropolis" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Black Metropolis">Template:Did you know nominations/Black Metropolis</a> is approved. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Alanscottwalker" title="User:Alanscottwalker">Alanscottwalker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alanscottwalker" title="User talk:Alanscottwalker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z-Black_History_Mth" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z-Black_History_Mth"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z-Black_History_Mth"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T21:54:00.000Z-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Thanks for letting us know. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T21:54:00.000Z-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T21:54:00.000Z-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T21:54:00.000Z-Alanscottwalker-2016-02-24T14:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Note_to_prep_builders" data-mw-thread-id="h-Note_to_prep_builders-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Note_to_prep_builders-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z"></span>Note to prep builders<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Note_to_prep_builders-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Black_History_Month" title="Black History Month"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z-Note_to_prep_builders"></span>Black History Month</a> will be ending on February 29, corresponding to Preps 6 and 1. There are still a few approved nominations waiting in the Special Occasion area. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z-Note_to_prep_builders" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z-Note_to_prep_builders"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z-Note_to_prep_builders"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T04:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the heads up, Yoninah. I had originally anticipated a last minute rush of black history articles at the end of the month, so aimed to clear the ones in holding at least several days before the end of the month. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T04:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T04:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T04:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-24T22:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Electioneering_question_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Electioneering_question_2-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Electioneering_question_2-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span>Electioneering question 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Electioneering_question_2-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z-Electioneering_question_2"></span>Are these hooks okay for use on MainPage? </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hookers_for_Hillary" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Hookers for Hillary">Template:Did you know nominations/Hookers for Hillary</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Donald_Trump%27s_The_Art_of_the_Deal:_The_Movie" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal: The Movie">Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal: The Movie</a></li></ul> <p><i>There is no such thing as bad publicity</i>, eh? --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z-Electioneering_question_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z-Electioneering_question_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z-Electioneering_question_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span>Per the 30-day rule, neither can safely be run until after the primaries are over at the beginning of June. Should we start a special occasion section for embargoed hooks that involve presidential candidates? Of course, if a candidate either drops out or all the others running against them in their respective party primaries drop out, the embargo against running could be lifted at that point. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z"></span>Completely agree with BlueMoonset, so I have created a special holding area for 8 June; I believe this is the day after voting finishes. I have commented on the nomination subpages and moved Hookers for Hillary to the appropriate holding. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-20T16:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span>Well, Hookers for Hillary won't be so hooky if she loses in the primary... <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T22:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z"></span>We could always make an article of a similar type for Bernie Sanders. Don't know if such a thing exists. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 20 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-20T22:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-21T05:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z"></span>Bookies for Bernie?? Anyway, thank you, Blue and Jolly. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-02-21T05:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-02-21T05:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-02-21T05:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-20T23:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T08:50:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span>We may have a contender at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Bernie_Sanders%27_Dank_Meme_Stash" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash">Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash</a>. There's a lot of work to be done, especially if we wanted these two to appear on Super Tuesday (1 March). Just putting it out there if anyone wants some inspiration! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T08:50:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T08:50:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-25T08:50:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-02-20T16:13:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span>Article that was at DYK under a different title has been renominated for DYK<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Stakes_(miniseries)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Stakes (miniseries)">here</a>, there is a "double application" pending. I was thinking that on the basis of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK">WP:DYK</a> a given article can only run once for DYK.<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" class="extiw" title="meta:User:Jo-Jo Eumerus">Jo-Jo Eumerus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z-Article_that_was_at_DYK_under_a_different_title_has_been_renominated_for_DYK"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:17:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span>And to summarise: it was rejected because of the prior listing. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:17:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:17:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:17:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2016-02-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z"></span>Copyvio article removed from Queue 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"></span>I have removed a hook from Queue 2 as the bolded article contained a serious copyright violation. </p> <ul><li>... that in <a href="/wiki/Kashmir" title="Kashmir">Kashmir</a>, immigrant craftsmen from <a href="/wiki/Persia" class="mw-redirect" title="Persia">Persia</a> introduced the craft of <b><a href="/wiki/Kashmir_Walnut_Wood_Carving" class="mw-redirect" title="Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving">wood carving</a></b>, using wood from <a href="/wiki/Persian_walnut" class="mw-redirect" title="Persian walnut">walnut trees</a> as a substitute for <a href="/wiki/Dalbergia_sissoo" title="Dalbergia sissoo">shishu wood</a>?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kashmir_Walnut_Wood_Carving" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving">Template:Did you know nominations/Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving</a>. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Nvvchar" title="User:Nvvchar">Nvvchar</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a>:</span> </p><p>I wa squite shocked to note that the copyvio was introduced (in an even worse form, minimal tweaks afterwards minimally reduced the problem) by Nvvchar, one of the most prolific DYK contributors. The copyvio was there from the very first version of the page, so I have simply speedy deleted it. The copyvio was sourced to the original version of the text, so hopefully this was not a malicious copyvio but just an extremely careless one. </p><p>Article (first version) (copyvio in bold): </p><p>"Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving, the traditional craft of <a href="/wiki/Persia" class="mw-redirect" title="Persia">Persia</a> (Iran), <b>was introduced in Kashmir by</b> <a href="/wiki/Persian" class="mw-disambig" title="Persian">Persian</a> (Iran) <b>craftsmen who had</b> practiced <b>this art since the days of <a href="/wiki/Armania" class="mw-disambig" title="Armania">Armanian</a> kings</b>, as mentioned in the book <b><i>Development, Technology and Influence on Eastern and Western Civilizations</i>. Those craftsmen, it is said, had to leave </b>immigrate from <b>Persia (Iran) because of the shortage of wood</b> of <a href="/wiki/Shishu_tree" class="mw-redirect" title="Shishu tree">shishu tree</a> (<i>Dalbergia sissoo</i>)<b> in the forest of that country and <a href="/wiki/Baluchistan" class="mw-redirect" title="Baluchistan">Baluchistan</a>. The reason </b>for the shortage shishu trees was due to extensive use during that period for manufacture of charcoal. <b>In Kashmir those immigrant craftsmen perfected the craft of wood carving in </b>wood of <a href="/wiki/Walnut" title="Walnut">walnut</a><b> as a substitute for </b>shishu<b> wood. In 1817, after the collapse of <a href="/wiki/Mughal_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Mughal rule">Mughal rule</a>, some families of wood carvers moved out of the valley to settle elsewhere, where they could earn a livelihood and pursue their family craft peacefully."</b> </p><p>Article (version nominated by Nvvchar, copyvio not indicated but nearly identical to above)): "Kashmir Walnut Wood Carving, the traditional craft of <a href="/wiki/Persia" class="mw-redirect" title="Persia">Persia</a> (Iran), was introduced in Kashmir by <a href="/wiki/Persian_people" class="mw-redirect" title="Persian people">Persian</a> (Iran) craftsmen who had practiced this art since the days of <a href="/wiki/Armenia" title="Armenia">Armenian</a> kings, as mentioned in the book <i>Development, Technology and Influence on Eastern and Western Civilizations</i>. These craftsmen, it is said, had to immigrate from Persia (Iran) because of the shortage of wood of <a href="/wiki/Shishu_tree" class="mw-redirect" title="Shishu tree">shishu tree</a> (<i>Dalbergia sissoo</i>) in the forest of that country and <a href="/wiki/Baluchistan" class="mw-redirect" title="Baluchistan">Baluchistan</a>. The reason for this shortage of shishu trees was due to its extensive use, during that period, for manufacture of charcoal. In Kashmir these immigrant craftsmen perfected the craft of wood carving in wood of <a href="/wiki/Walnut" title="Walnut">walnut</a> tree as a substitute for shishu wood. In 1817, after the collapse of <a href="/wiki/Mughal_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Mughal rule">Mughal rule</a>, some families of wood carvers moved out of the valley to settle elsewhere, where they could earn a livelihood and pursue their family craft peacefully." </p><p>Source<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=B0vb8AhaXnAC&pg=PA43&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false">[16]</a>(copied parts in bold): </p><p>"It is said that the art of wood-carving <b>was introduced in Kashmir by</b> the Persian <b>craftsmen, who had </b>been in <b>this art since the days of the Armanian kings</b> according to <b><i>The Traditional Crafts of Persians - Their Development, Technology and Influence on Eastern and Western Civilisations</i>. Those craftsmen, it is said, had to leave</b> their homes in <b>Persia (Iran)</b> for Kashmir <b>because of the shortage of</b> <i>shisham</i> wood <b>in the forests of that country and Baluchistan. The reason</b>: the <i>shisham</i> trees were cut in those countries at that age to manufacture charcoal. <b>In Kashmir those immigrant craftsmen perfected the craft of wood-carving in</b> walnut wood <b>as a substitute for'</b> <i>shisham</i> wood. <b>In 1817, after the collapse of Mughal rule</b> in Kashmir<b>, some families of wood-carvers moved out of the valley to settle elsewhere, where they could earn livelihood and pursue their family-craft peacefully. </b> </p><p>I hope that this is a one-off, I'll check some other Nvvchar articles to get an idea if this is common or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z"></span>Did the Earwig tool catch it or not?? <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-24T14:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z"></span>I don't see how it could, <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw">Montanabw</a>; so far as I know, Earwig is not capable of looking inside books available from Google books. However, since this is the paragraph that contains the hook facts, it would have been checked directly since this was not an AGF approval. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-25T01:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-25T06:14:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z"></span>Well, I must admit to being at some fault here. When I first reviewed the article I found no copyvios in the checks I made. I did not skimp this stage, if you look at my contributions for 22 February you will see that there was a 40 minute gap preceding my completion of the DYK template. When Nvvchar proposed another hook I looked at the source for the new hook and saw that there were some similarities between the text and the article. This put me in a dilemma, and I should have revisited the copyvio question. But Nvvchar is a respected editor who I have interacted with in the past and I took the decision to approve the new hook, but not without some misgivings. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-25T06:14:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-25T06:14:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-02-25T06:14:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-25T03:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"></span>rolleyes:</dd></dl> <p>This is what you call "serious copyright violation"? Much of the bolded text is not duplicated at all. Much of the rest simply refer to the same things - locations, various proper names, and a book. There's a single statement, the last, that is the same, and that does not meet the definition of "serious" in my books. And then it's finished off with the flourish of casting aspersions on the editor. Nice. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z-Copyvio_article_removed_from_Queue_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z"></span>"Much of the bolded text is not duplicated at all"? Examples? I can see, in the bolded parts a "forest" vs. "forests", "Armanian kings" vs. "the Armanian kings", two times a bolded "wood" vs a "wood" I forgot to bold, "wood-carving" vs. "wood carving", "wood-carvers" vs. "wood carvers", "livelihood" vs. "a livelihood" and "family-craft" vs. "family craft". Please correct me if I miss something, and please retract your statement if you were wrong here. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z"></span>If that is all there was to the copying, one sentence and a clause, then this is easily fixed by editing rather than removing the whole article. If any one wants this back, I am willing to perform this fix. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z"></span>"One sentence and a clause"? 90% of a paragraph was directly copied, with the remainder only minimally changed (only the "charcoal" sentence was actually rewritten). The next few sentences contain some further too close paraphrasing and copying (I stopped after the above analysis as that seemed to be sufficient, but apparently not for everyone). Please don't undelete copyright violations. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-25T13:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z"></span>My concern here is neither a problem with the article itself, nor our clearly different definitions of "serious copyvio". My concern is that your post above impugns the name of a fellow editor, in a very public space. And it does so in spite of that very post clearly stating that you have <i>no actual evidence a problem exists</i>. And if that were not enough, it's on the DYK page, which hardly seems like the right place for it! Let's keep the discussion on the articles and edits, shall we, and leave the speculation about editor's motives to our inner voices? <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-25T13:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-26T08:44:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z"></span>So you come here claiming "much of the bolded text is not duplicated at all", and when it has been pointed out that that is not true (as was rather obvious if you had really checked), you ignore this: you now claim that I have "no actual evidence a problem exists", even though I provided said evidence in the very same post. I find a copyvio in a DYK that was set to hit the main page, where was I supposed to discuss it? With "my inner voice"? No, thank you. I have seen enough prolific respected editors who turn out to have many copyvio's when one is finally found; here we have an editor with many DYKs, so checking if the problem existed elsewhere is what should be done by diligent admins, not falsely attacking (twice now) the one that found the problem. My checks have not revealed further copyvio's, but extremely sloppy editing leading to DYKs with many serious factual errors (see his talk page for examples if you want). So sloppy editing, which I said in my first post was what I hoped was the cause of this copyvio, seems indeed to be the reason. But your preference to keep quiet about problematic editing when it is done by a long-time editor is noted, just like your apparent lack of care about copyright violations or what is and isn't duplication. It seems to be less of a problem to falsely accuse someone (a "fellow editor") twice here, on this "very public space" (really? WT:DYK is a "very public space"?), than to deal with the actual problems in articles that hit the mainspace (now <i>that</i> is a very public space). It's nice to know your priorities. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-26T08:44:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-26T08:44:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-26T08:44:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T00:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stats_working_now?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stats_working_now?-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z"><span id="Stats_working_now.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stats_working_now?-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z"></span>Stats working now?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stats_working_now?-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z-Stats_working_now?"></span>My latest DYKs still link to the old stats page, I assume this would only be updated for newer articles? </p><p>If so, is there any reason we can't backfix old links? I still click on the link on older articles periodically, a redirect would make like much easier. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z-Stats_working_now?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z-Stats_working_now?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z-Stats_working_now?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a>:</span>, would you be able to provide example articles? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-25T12:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span>: Sure, go to my <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz">talk page</a>, scroll to the bottom, and click on the "check views" button for either of the last two DYK's that have gone up. As you can see, those links still point to the old page. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T19:20:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a>:</span>, it was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUpdatedDYK&type=revision&diff=706340009&oldid=698423896">changed</a> on 22 February, so looks like you missed out by just a few hours. Should work for future ones. Alternatively, you could probably re substitute the template if you know what the parameters would have been. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T19:20:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T19:20:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T19:20:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-02-26T12:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z"><span id="DYKUpdateBot_malfunction.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z"></span>DYKUpdateBot malfunction?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Shubinator" title="User:Shubinator">Shubinator</a>:</span> DYKUpdateBot has moved the hooks from Queue1 to the main page at 12:00<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know&type=revision&diff=706990953&oldid=706986123">[17]</a>, but hasn't emptied Queue1 which it normally then does. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z-DYKUpdateBot_malfunction?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z"></span>Can an administrator please manually remove the hooks from Queue 1 and reset the next queue to 2? Otherwise the bot will process Queue 1 again in a few hours. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zanhe" title="User:Zanhe">Zanhe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanhe" title="User talk:Zanhe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-26T15:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z"></span>Note that the next-queue reset involves incrementing <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/Next" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/Next">Template:Did you know/Queue/Next</a> from 1 to 2. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z-Zanhe-2016-02-26T18:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z"></span>I've blanked Queue 1 & incremented Next to 2. I've not had to do this manually since the bot was introduced, so forgive me if I've screwed something up. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T22:07:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z"></span>It looks good. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T22:07:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T22:07:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T22:07:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-02-26T21:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nominated_article_has_been_moved" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nominated_article_has_been_moved-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nominated_article_has_been_moved-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z"></span>Nominated article has been moved<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nominated_article_has_been_moved-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z-Nominated_article_has_been_moved"></span>I'm sure this must have happened before but I can't find any guideline so I'm posting the question here. An article I created and nominated, <a href="/wiki/List_of_German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_I" class="mw-redirect" title="List of German Jewish military personnel of World War I">List of German Jewish military personnel of World War I</a>, has now been moved by another user (with my support) to <a href="/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_I" title="German Jewish military personnel of World War I">German Jewish military personnel of World War I</a>. What do I do with the nomination? Leave it at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_I" title="Template:Did you know nominations/List of German Jewish military personnel of World War I">Template:Did you know nominations/List of German Jewish military personnel of World War I</a> or move it to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_I&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Did you know nominations/German Jewish military personnel of World War I (page does not exist)">Template:Did you know nominations/German Jewish military personnel of World War I</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Calistemon" title="User:Calistemon">Calistemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calistemon" title="User talk:Calistemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z-Nominated_article_has_been_moved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z-Nominated_article_has_been_moved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z-Nominated_article_has_been_moved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Calistemon" title="User:Calistemon"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z"></span>Calistemon</a> Don't move the nomination template. It's fine as is. It connects to the correct article, so everything works as it should. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z-Calistemon-2016-02-26T22:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T23:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the advice, will do. <a href="/wiki/User:Calistemon" title="User:Calistemon">Calistemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calistemon" title="User talk:Calistemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T23:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T23:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calistemon-2016-02-26T23:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-26T23:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Counting number of DYK nominations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations"></span>Can someone point me to the tool for checking how many QPQ nominstions a user has done? I need to check if a user is exempt from doing a QPQ or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302">Joseph2302</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z-Counting_number_of_DYK_nominations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T11:27:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Try <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/betacommand-dev/cgi-bin/dyk.py">this tool</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T11:27:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T11:27:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T11:27:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-27T14:03:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Another way is to look at the contributions, select template space, and new page creations. This has a high concentration of DYK pages for me. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-27T14:03:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-27T14:03:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-2016-02-27T14:03:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-02-27T10:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comment_about_hook_in_prep3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z"></span>Comment about hook in prep3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3"></span>I left this comment on the prep3 talk page. I don't really want to belabor the issue but it was recommended I bring it up here instead, so copy/pasting. </p><p>Not sure what protocol is for this, but I'd just like to register a weak objection to the Syrnet hook, which, to me, seems a bit off (and perhaps a little grammatically awkward). It's possible that my initial response to <a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock">Amberrock</a>'s first comments at the <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Syrnet" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Syrnet">nomination</a> was unclear. "Moderate" opposition is sourced, but largely to primary sources so I get the objection and have no problem leaving that out. I just don't think "committed to oppose" is the most accurate frame. I'll leave it at that. Certainly not egregious. — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2016-02-27T20:31:00.000Z-Comment_about_hook_in_prep3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="April_Fools_Day" data-mw-thread-id="h-April_Fools_Day-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-April_Fools_Day-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z"></span>April Fools Day<span data-mw-comment-end="h-April_Fools_Day-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z-April_Fools_Day"></span>With the annual japery of April Fools Day almost a month away, I thought I'd ring a few alarm bells on here DYK. First of all we only have 4 in the AFD holding area at the moment when we'd need 16 to fill the hooks. I'm bringing this to attention as DYK has always been good with the AFD hooks year on year and we can't let the side down! I have one on <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hacking_(rugby)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Hacking (rugby)">hacking</a> currently in the noms and have a few I can write that might fit the bill but I don't know if I can do it all alone. Just giving the project a heads up to think about it for next month. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:The_C_of_E" title="User:The C of E"><span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_C_of_E" title="User talk:The C of E"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z-April_Fools_Day" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z-April_Fools_Day"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z-April_Fools_Day"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z"></span>I still have <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chuffer_Dandridge" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge">Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge</a> queued up, which while not directly confirming to the usual April Fools' tomfoolery is about a very silly and made up bad joke (albeit one broadcast to about 8 million people frequently over about ten years), particularly the rant about being owed a <a href="/wiki/White_fiver" class="mw-redirect" title="White fiver">white fiver</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-02-27T11:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z"></span>PS I added a link to <a href="/wiki/Template:DYKbox" title="Template:DYKbox">Template:DYKbox</a> in the hope it might raise awareness. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-02-27T12:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_on_prep_sets" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_on_prep_sets-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_on_prep_sets-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span>More on prep sets<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_on_prep_sets-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z-More_on_prep_sets"></span>Lately prep sets are running with a very small number of bios, sometimes as low as 2 bios to 6 non-bios. We have a large amount of hooks about women thanks to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Women_in_Red" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Women in Red">Women in Red</a> campaigns, and I think prep builders should be willing to run a few hooks about women in a set in order to increase the bios ratio. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z-More_on_prep_sets" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z-More_on_prep_sets"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z-More_on_prep_sets"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span>I think one issue has been prioritizing the older articles over all else. Hopefully that has been addressed. <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for the post Yoninah. I will anticipate extra bio hooks. Looks like we have 10 for women's history month at the moment. And Montana, the prioritisation of old hooks has not been addressed; I still work chronologically. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-26T03:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z"></span>In order to balance sets, some older hooks may need to wait a set or two while newer ones are incorporated as needed to get a good ratio of bios, or non-U.S. hooks, etc. It's all part of getting the right balance. The various instructions that talk about balanced sets make no mention of nomination age. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-26T05:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z"></span>Exactly my point! Chronological promotion is a useful thing, but not the exclusive criteria. <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-02-26T20:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z"></span>FYI, there are often several empty prep areas, so I will try to vary the hooks as I work chronologically by placing them in one of the empty prep areas rather than the same one. I don't know if this makes sense, but thought I'd clarify. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-27T03:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z"></span>When I do prep sets, I try to do several older approved hooks, but usually throw in some newer ones, particularly for the "quirky" slot (the last one, which should be funny or weird -- quirky -- when possible. The image also might not run chronologically, mix people with things, with landscapes, with paintings, etc... <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-27T03:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> when you preload prep sets with one or two "old" hooks, you don't give the prep builder the option of varying and balancing his/her own prep set. I have the same gripe against editors who preload all the images for the next three or four sets. The editors who build prep sets are generally experienced and know what they're doing, and will slowly but surely use up chronologically older hooks even as they post some new ones. Building prep sets takes so much time (checking hook facts, sourcing, close paraphrasing, etc., in each article) that at least we can leave the builders some room for creativity by letting them decide what should appear. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-02-28T01:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z"></span>No one owns prep sets, so the preps can be edited multiple times by multiple people to improve balance. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:04:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-28T10:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z"></span>Khmer language hook in next Queue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue"></span>"that the Khmer language, the official language of Cambodia, was the language of the Khmer Empire and has a 1400-year written history?" is cumbersome and inelegant, with "language" used three times. Why not instead, "that Khmer, the language of Cambodia and the Khmer Empire, has a 1400-year written history?" <a href="/wiki/User:Edwardx" title="User:Edwardx">Edwardx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edwardx" title="User talk:Edwardx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z-Khmer_language_hook_in_next_Queue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T12:57:00.000Z-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z"></span>Done. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T12:57:00.000Z-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T12:57:00.000Z-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T12:57:00.000Z-Edwardx-2016-02-29T12:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z"><span id="Removed_.22Dirigible.22_hook_from_main_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z"></span>Removed "Dirigible" hook from main page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Mary_Myers" title="Mary Myers">Mary Myers</a></b> was the first American woman to fly and pilot a <a href="/wiki/Dirigible" class="mw-redirect" title="Dirigible">dirigible</a> balloon, which she did on <a href="/wiki/Independence_Day_(United_States)" title="Independence Day (United States)">Independence Day</a> in 1880?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mary_Myers" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Myers">Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Myers</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:DaltonCastle" title="User:DaltonCastle">DaltonCastle</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a>:</span> </p><p>This fact is sourced in the article to source 26 (which doesn't mention the "dirigible" aspect) and source 28, which also doesn't mention the dirigible aspect. Piloting a balloon doesn't mean that it is a dirigible. The first woman to pilot a dirigible was <a href="/wiki/Aida_de_Acosta" title="Aida de Acosta">Aida de Acosta</a> in 1903. Myers was (probably) the first American woman to pilot a balloon, and she may, later in life, have been inolved in dirigible experiments, but the two events didn't happen at the same time. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:11:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:27:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span>Articles like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/carlotta-the-lady-aeronaut-25448637/?no-ist">this one from the Smithsonian</a> show her to be a ballooning pioneer, but have no indication whatsoever that she flew dirigibles at the time (which would have been very, very early for dirigibles in any case). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=Tk1WAAAAMAAJ&q=%22mary+myers%22+%22independence+day%22&dq=%22mary+myers%22+%22independence+day%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpy52OxJzLAhXSa5oKHeNGC8wQ6AEIGzAA">this one</a> also only discussed a ballon flight that day, not a dirigible. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/AirSpace/pdf_lo/SSAS-0002.pdf">This long pdf from the Smithsonian</a> also makes it clear that she flew a standard balloon, not a <a href="/wiki/Dirigible" class="mw-redirect" title="Dirigible">dirigible</a> one. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=J4sWHsiuSKMC&pg=PA34&dq=mary+myers++dirigible+1880&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihhN3mxZzLAhWFXRQKHaxjD9QQ6AEIIjAC#v=onepage&q=mary%20myers%20%20dirigible%201880&f=false">this</a> work on Dirigibles claims that her husband only developed his skycycle (a pedal-powered balloon) in 1881, and has no information on Mary flying it. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:27:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:27:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:27:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span>The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics gives here as "July 4, 1880 - Mary H. Myers becomes the first American woman to pilot her own balloon."<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.aiaa.org/SecondaryTwoColumn.aspx?id=3015">[18]</a>. I guess they would have mentioned it if it had been a dirigible, which would have been een more remarkable, 23 years before the "official" first woman-piloted dirigible. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://herkimer.nygenweb.net/frankfort/balloonfarm.html">this page</a> reprints a newspaper report from 6 July 1880 about the very flight discussed here, and nothing indicates that this was a dirigible and not a normal balloon flight. I guess that if there are sources stating that she flew a dirigible, they have been confused by the use of "piloted" or by her husband's later experiments with dirigibles. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Reference #27 = U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (Washington, D.C.). 2015. Retrieved February 14, 2014. "Mary Myers - 1880; Mary Myers was the first American woman to solo in a dirigible."--<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:36:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span>Which wasn't used to reference the statement before, and which seems highly dubious considering that most other reliable sources don't make the claim, an eyewitness newspaper account from the time doesn't discuss a dirigible either, and another woman 23 years later is usually credited with this "first". And even as it stands now, you have created some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> through <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYN">WP:SYN</a>: you have one source stating that she was the first to fly a dirigible, in 1880 (but without a date!), and you have other sources stating that she was the first to fly a balloon, on 4 July 1880: and you have combined these two to conclude that that has to have been one and the same flight (while we have evidence that she has made other flights that same year, e.g. one where she ended up in a tree). <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:36:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:36:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:36:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:37:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span>(oh, and how do you get a "retrieved 14 February 2014" on an article you created on 15 February 2016?). <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:37:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:37:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T12:37:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span>Typo? or I <i>actually</i> retrieved it in my off-line draft. One day makes a difference?--<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Two years and one day, actually. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z"></span>Yup</b> = typo! --<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://sandiegoairandspace.org/collection/item/women-of-aviation"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-1"></span>San Diego Air & Space Museum -Women of Aviation collection.</a> -> <i>Mary "Carlotta the Lady Aeronaut" Meyers Mary Meyers' husband, Carl Meyers, was a scientist working to develop a balloon that would carry a person, but was flexible enough to fold and store. His wife helped by stitching the balloons, but one day she decided to test the balloon herself, and to fly it. On the Fourth of July, 1880, Mary (who changed her name to Carlotta because Mary was too boring,) made her first flight. She flew over Little Falls New York where over 15,000 people were waiting to see a woman flying a balloon.</i> This is also confirmed in The Atlanta Constitution (p. 5) October 11, 1887.--<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T11:51:00.000Z-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-1"></span>And? Where in this quote does it say anything about a dirigible? I'm not contesting that she flew a balloon on 4 July 1880, that that was her first flight, and that that was probably the first time an American woman (or a woman in America) flew solo. But don't you just thing that the Air & Space Museum would mention it if this was also the first <i>dirigible</i> balloon flight by a woman? Seems like quite a significant milestone, usually only given to a flight 23 years later... <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T13:10:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:05:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span>I understand a "dirigible" to be a lighter-than-air aircraft that can navigate through the air under its own power. In the Mary Myers article in the Patents section I talk about her 1885 patent of just such an aircraft - that she had done 150 flights in by then (between 1880-1885). BTW, Reference #27 of U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION has always been in the article all along.--<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/22738816@N07/25282573981/sizes/o/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Louisiana Democrat article 11 July 1885</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/22738816@N07/24745238974/sizes/o/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:59:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z"></span>second part of article</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:59:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:59:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:59:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:12:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z"></span>Ref 27 wasn't used to source the hook, and the Louisiana Democrat can't be used for that either. First of, patents are self-published sources, not evidence that something was really achieved. It also seems to say that the system to somewhat direct the glide of the balloon by shifting the centre of gravity was used by her some 150 times, and that she also added a system to steer the balloon with a cloth-sail propellor. I can't find no evidence that this was also used (before or after), never mind that this was used on that Independence Day flight the hook was about. Basically, you are still trying to patch a single statement out of a number of disparate sources which all provide some piece of the hook, but without any evidence that these pieces really belong together. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:12:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:12:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:12:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T13:49:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Excuse me for butting into this, but whether she did or didn't fly a dirigible, isn't the original (and main) point that the claim was not directly supported by inline citations (until earlier on today)? That's why it was pulled, right? (Please note the instructions: <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. </span>) Other discussions relating to the content of the article and other claims would be better served at the article talkpage rather than here, where it'll all just get archived. The hook has been removed, it won't be replaced, so it's time to move on. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T08:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Ah, I see my mistake = I will watch it closer to be sure this is done next time. Thanks for pointing out.--<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z"></span>It wasn't sourced by anything in the article, and still isn't. The discussion we have is not about the contents of the article, but about whether the hook is true or not. That the source supposedly supporting the hook was not placed with the hook sentence was making things only worse, but that source does not support the hook either. She madea flight on 4 July 1880, and according to one source (but not the others) she flew a dirigible in 1880. That together doesn't the hook make... <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2016-02-29T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:17:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Yes, ok, fine. Please continue this discussion at the article talkpage, it no longer serves a purpose at this talkpage as the hook has been pulled and the reason for the pull has been acknowledged. Nothing more to discuss from a DYK perspective. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:17:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:17:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T14:17:00.000Z-Fram-2016-02-29T14:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span> From a DYK perspective, I think this and other questionable "firsts" which <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">User:Fram</a> keeps pointing out are not going away, and in fact will probably increase in volume, due to the output in hooks for <a href="/wiki/Women%27s_History_Month" title="Women's History Month">Women's History Month</a>. Too many <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Women_in_Red" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Women in Red">WP:Women in Red</a> page creators are touting their women subjects as the "first" in their fields. We discussed this previously at WT:DYK, but I think hook reviewers should be extra-vigilant when they see a hook that claims that someone is the "first", and actively suggest that something else be said about the subject. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T19:58:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z"></span>Nope, all hooks should be scrutinised for correct and adequate sourcing, not just the women's history ones. Everyone needs to work harder to ensure we're sticking by the rules and not promoting bad hooks or inappropriately sourced hooks to the main page. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T19:58:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T19:58:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T19:58:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T19:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Primus_inter_pares" data-mw-thread-id="h-Primus_inter_pares-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Primus_inter_pares-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z"></span><i><a href="/wiki/Primus_inter_pares" title="Primus inter pares">Primus inter pares</a></i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Primus_inter_pares-Removed_"Dirigible"_hook_from_main_page-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h3></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z-Primus_inter_pares"></span> Yes, firsts are tricky because the sources often don't get them right. And there's a new hazard when writing about women in this way. According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WAW#First_woman" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WAW">WP:WAW</a>, such hooks will fail the <a href="/wiki/Finkbeiner_test" title="Finkbeiner test">Finkbeiner test</a> and so we should <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style></p><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Avoid language that places being a woman ahead of the subject's achievements. Opening the lead with "A was the first woman to do X" or "A was the first female X" immediately defines her in terms of men who have done the same thing, and can inadvertently imply: "She may not have been a very good X, but at least she was the first woman."</p></blockquote><p> That's getting quite complicated so I'm writing about <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson#Goats" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">goats</a> now... :) <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z-Primus_inter_pares" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z-Primus_inter_pares"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T21:34:00.000Z-Primus_inter_pares"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z"></span>Old nominations needing DYK reviewers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"></span>The previous list is nearly exhausted, so I've compiled a new set of the 40 oldest nominations that need reviewing, including hooks through the first eleven days of February. As of the most recent update, 64 nominations have been approved, leaving 172 of 236 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the first four from January that are left over from the previous list. </p> <ul><li><s>January 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Getaway_Car" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Getaway Car">Template:Did you know nominations/The Getaway Car</a></s></li> <li><s>January 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Guy_ropes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes">Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes</a></s></li> <li><s>January 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Godly_Response_to_Abuse_in_the_Christian_Environment" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment">Template:Did you know nominations/Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment</a></s></li> <li><s>January 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Devanahalli_Pomello" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Devanahalli Pomello">Template:Did you know nominations/Devanahalli Pomello</a></s></li> <li>January 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/TNGHT_(EP)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/TNGHT (EP)">Template:Did you know nominations/TNGHT (EP)</a></li> <li>January 30: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hyperloop_pod_competition" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperloop pod competition">Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperloop pod competition</a></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Northampton_War_Memorial" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Northampton War Memorial">Template:Did you know nominations/Northampton War Memorial</a></s></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Skyway_Monte_Bianco" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Skyway Monte Bianco">Template:Did you know nominations/Skyway Monte Bianco</a></s></li> <li><s>January 31: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Tripura_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Tripura Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Tripura Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>February 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Winnipeg%27s_Contemporary_Dancers,_Rachel_Browne" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Winnipeg's Contemporary Dancers, Rachel Browne">Template:Did you know nominations/Winnipeg's Contemporary Dancers, Rachel Browne</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Rochdale_Cenotaph" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Rochdale Cenotaph">Template:Did you know nominations/Rochdale Cenotaph</a></s></li> <li>February 1: <s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Fertility_factor_(demography)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Fertility factor (demography)">Template:Did you know nominations/Fertility factor (demography)</a></s></li> <li><s>February 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Pancabrahma_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Pancabrahma Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Pancabrahma Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>February 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Fajr_decade" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Fajr decade">Template:Did you know nominations/Fajr decade</a></s></li> <li>February 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chuffer_Dandridge" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge">Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge</a></li> <li>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sintax_the_Terrific" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific">Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific</a></li> <li><s>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Verkeerder_Kill" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Verkeerder Kill">Template:Did you know nominations/Verkeerder Kill</a></s></li> <li><s>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ernst_Paul" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ernst Paul">Template:Did you know nominations/Ernst Paul</a> (three articles)</s></li> <li>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Karl_%C4%8Cermak" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak">Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak</a> (two articles)</li> <li><s>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lord%27s_Supper_in_Reformed_theology" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Lord's Supper in Reformed theology">Template:Did you know nominations/Lord's Supper in Reformed theology</a></s></li> <li><s>February 4: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Destruction_of_ivory" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Destruction of ivory">Template:Did you know nominations/Destruction of ivory</a></s></li> <li>February 5: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Campaign_74B" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Campaign 74B">Template:Did you know nominations/Campaign 74B</a></li> <li><s>February 5: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Varaha_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Varaha Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Varaha Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>February 5: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Future_of_Palestine" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Future of Palestine">Template:Did you know nominations/The Future of Palestine</a></s></li> <li>February 6: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Tarasara_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Tarasara Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Tarasara Upanishad</a></li> <li><s>February 6: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Garamond" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Garamond">Template:Did you know nominations/Garamond</a></s></li> <li>February 6: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Stranger_Things_(Yuck_album)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Stranger Things (Yuck album)">Template:Did you know nominations/Stranger Things (Yuck album)</a></li> <li><s>February 7: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chamba_Rumal" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chamba Rumal">Template:Did you know nominations/Chamba Rumal</a></s></li> <li>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Gui_Minhai" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Gui Minhai">Template:Did you know nominations/Gui Minhai</a></li> <li>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Konsert_Satu_Suara,_Vol._2" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Konsert Satu Suara, Vol. 2">Template:Did you know nominations/Konsert Satu Suara, Vol. 2</a></li> <li><s>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Vinciguerria_lucetia" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Vinciguerria lucetia">Template:Did you know nominations/Vinciguerria lucetia</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Thomas_White_(Australian_politician)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas White (Australian politician)">Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas White (Australian politician)</a></s></li> <li><s>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kalligrammatidae" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kalligrammatidae">Template:Did you know nominations/Kalligrammatidae</a></s></li> <li><s>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Arundel_Castle_Cricket_Ground" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Arundel Castle Cricket Ground">Template:Did you know nominations/Arundel Castle Cricket Ground</a></s></li> <li><s>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Koenig_Specials" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Koenig Specials">Template:Did you know nominations/Koenig Specials</a></s></li> <li>February 9: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/No_Land%27s_Song" title="Template:Did you know nominations/No Land's Song">Template:Did you know nominations/No Land's Song</a></li> <li><s>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Donald_Trump%27s_The_Art_of_the_Deal:_The_Movie" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal: The Movie">Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal: The Movie</a></s></li> <li>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Corruption_in_Myanmar" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Corruption in Myanmar">Template:Did you know nominations/Corruption in Myanmar</a></li> <li>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Bosques_Petrificados_de_Jaramillo_National_Park" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Bosques Petrificados de Jaramillo National Park">Template:Did you know nominations/Bosques Petrificados de Jaramillo National Park</a></li> <li><s>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Dapeng_(state)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Dapeng (state)">Template:Did you know nominations/Dapeng (state)</a></s></li> <li>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Yohei_Komatsu,_Sho_Tanaka" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Yohei Komatsu, Sho Tanaka">Template:Did you know nominations/Yohei Komatsu, Sho Tanaka</a> (two articles)</li> <li>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cottalango_Leon" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cottalango Leon">Template:Did you know nominations/Cottalango Leon</a></li> <li>February 11: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/N._I._Herescu" title="Template:Did you know nominations/N. I. Herescu">Template:Did you know nominations/N. I. Herescu</a></li> <li><s>February 11: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Udney_Hay" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Udney Hay">Template:Did you know nominations/Udney Hay</a></s></li> <li><s>February 11: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Passion_(U.S.)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Passion (U.S.)">Template:Did you know nominations/The Passion (U.S.)</a></s></li> <li><s>February 11: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Aquatic_weed_harvester" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Aquatic weed harvester">Template:Did you know nominations/Aquatic weed harvester</a></s></li></ul> <p>Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-01T07:58:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z"></span>Queue 1 - Hetty Reckless<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Hetty_Reckless" title="Hetty Reckless">Hetty Reckless</a></b> was born in 1776, escaped from <a href="/wiki/Salem,_NJ" class="mw-redirect" title="Salem, NJ">Salem</a>, and boasted of seeing <a href="/wiki/George_Washington" title="George Washington">George Washington</a>? </p><p>This is the only hook ever offered for this nomination. However, reading the article, this woman was pretty incredible. Not the least of which is that she was a runaway slave who opened a women's shelter "It was the only shelter for African American women in Philadelphia. The first two years alone, they housed over 200 women for periods of up to six months, providing shelter and education. The organization served the dual purpose of providing employment for the women who ran the shelter." That seems a whole lot more interesting to me than in the last sentence of the article, in her old age she bragged of having once seen George Washington. </p><p>How about: </p><p><b>ALT1</b> ... that runaway slave <b><a href="/wiki/Hetty_Reckless" title="Hetty Reckless">Hetty Reckless</a></b> operated a shelter for African American women that housed over 200 for periods of up to six months? </p><p>The article mentions a lot of other accomplishments about this remarkable woman. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) 23:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC) Pinging <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew Davidson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z"></span>I prefer the original to ALT1. I don't see why the matter is being reopened as the article has passed two reviews already. But if we must prolong this then we should consider the following ALT. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-27T23:57:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-27T23:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span>ALT2</b> ...... that <b><a href="/wiki/Hetty_Reckless" title="Hetty Reckless">Hetty Reckless</a></b> was the slave of a Colonel renowned for eating tomatoes until his new wife knocked out her teeth with a broomstick.</li></ul> <p>Well, it's the last set for Black History Month, and the first one right before Women's History Month. Also, forgot to ping <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Ckoerner" title="User:Ckoerner">Ckoerner</a>:</span> who are also listed on the template. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z"></span>So, if there's a dispute about the hook, it will miss this topical set? I am reminded of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LIGHTBULB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LIGHTBULB">WP:LIGHTBULB</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-02-28T00:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z"></span>I prefer ALT1. The original may be mistaken for her escaping a prison and seeing George Washington seems trivial. ALT2 distracts from Hetty Reckless. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T00:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z"></span>My involvement was to expand it so it could be included in DYK, but it was always <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew Davidson</a>'s nomination. Whatever will get her nomination posted, I am in favor of. But totally agree it's just as good for Women's History Month. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T00:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z"></span>Right now, the original hook is in queue 1 and so will proceed unless it gets pulled. If that gets it into <i>Black History Month</i> then that's good because that's what I started it for. If we'd like it to appear in <i>Women's History Month</i> too then I suggest that we try confirming it as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">GA</a> which will provide a fresh formal reason to include it. The article has already been new and 5x expanded so we'd be nicely on the way to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> award. In the spirit of <a href="/wiki/A/B_testing" title="A/B testing">A/B testing</a>, the rerun can try a different hook to see which does best.</li></ul> <dl><dd>The purpose of the hook is to get readers to click through and so that's how we measure success at DYK. The original hook tries to do this by its mention of 1776 and George Washington, which may attract American patriots. The mention of Salem is for readers who have heard of <a href="/wiki/Salem_witches" class="mw-redirect" title="Salem witches">Salem witches</a> and may wonder how George Washington got mixed up with them. That's a bit of misdirection but we're allowed to tease like that in hooks.</dd> <dd>ALT1 seems worthy but dull. The only part that excites interest for me is "runaway slave" but it then trails off with some statistics. And I don't like the usage "African American" which is too anachronistic for my taste.</dd> <dd>ALT2 tries to be both melodramatic and mysterious. The hook introduces a wild variety of facts and the only way the reader can find out more is to click on the article in question because that's the only link. This would be a reasonable candidate for the "and finally" slot in a set and that seems the best we can aim for currently as, unfortunately, we don't have a picture hook yet. If we have a rerun we should make another effort to work a picture into this as the picture hook gets top billing and generally does best.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T01:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z"></span>We could do that. Neither of the alternatives have inline citations at the end of the sentence to back up their claims. So maybe more time is needed. I thought we could just check it here and then change it, but it looks like more time may be needed to fix the referencing. Also, there are five goals to DYK and only measuring the success of our project by the number of page views is not adequate. This may mean that sometimes a "dull" hook is preferred over a quirky hook. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T09:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z"></span>The five goals are presumably those listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK">WP:DYK</a> – to showcase, highlight, present, acknowledge and encourage. It's not clear how these justify changing the approved hook to a dull one. My thinking comes from the more detailed rules which state, 'When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article.' Anyway, my suggestion remains to try running this again when it's a GA, as this will provide an extensive opportunity for second thoughts. Note that a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Good_articles/GA_Cup" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GA Cup">GA drive</a> has just started. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T09:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z"></span>Wait just a minute? Are you saying you are nominating it for GA or that you aren't. I worked my butt off to expand this 5x and am not remotely willing to abandon the DYK process. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T11:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z"></span>No, my thinking is to nominate the article for GA <u>after</u> the current DYK. As and when it passes GA status, it can then be nominated for DYK again, so far I know, and so we get two bites at the cherry. In the long term, we might hope for FA status and have it up on the main page yet again. That's the general idea of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> award – to take an article through the ascending quality thresholds. Apologies for any confusion as SusunW's efforts are much appreciated and I'm keen that we not delay in exhibiting them. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-02-28T14:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T16:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z"></span>It's my understanding that once an article appears on DYK, it cannot reappear upon achieving GA status. I think <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> refers to the fact that an article progresses through each stage in order – new article, DYK, GA, FA. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T16:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T16:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-28T16:37:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-28T15:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span>Please don't use ALT2. It says the most interesting thing about her is a fact about someone else. I'd vote for ALT1 as both interesting and reflecting her stature.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/184.147.122.76" title="Special:Contributions/184.147.122.76">184.147.122.76</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:184.147.122.76&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:184.147.122.76 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z-Queue_1_-_Hetty_Reckless"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z"></span>Yoninah is right, you cannot post an article twice on DYK. We have an approved hook that it's in the queue and since no effort has been made to include referencing for either alternatives, that is likely what will happen at this point. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 28 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z-184.147.122.76-2016-02-28T17:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span>I've myself had an article posted at DYK twice so it can happen. There are also FAs which have been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article_oddities#The_ones_with_featured_articles_that_have_appeared_twice" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article oddities">featured twice</a>. There doesn't seem to be a rule for this and, even if there were, we are free to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">ignore it</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T08:15:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z"></span>It's rule 1. e) at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">Wikipedia:Did you know</a>. Based on the number of people involved in this project, a second nomination will almost certainly be flagged up. Whether other users are willing to let it sly... who knows? I would advise you don't rely on it slipping through, though. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T08:15:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T08:15:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T08:15:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T08:07:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Hetty_Reckless" title="Hetty Reckless"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T12:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span>Hetty Reckless</a> is up now on the main page so let's enjoy the moment. The other hook ideas can be used in other related articles. I have gone on to create <a href="/wiki/Colonel_Johnson" class="mw-redirect" title="Colonel Johnson">Colonel Johnson</a> so his tomatoes will get their moment in the sun too and Hetty Reckless will get some further attention as a result. I'll make a GA nomination too to see how that process works out. I gather that it's less bureaucratic than DYK but we shall see ... <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T12:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T12:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-02-29T12:10:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span>For the record, <a href="/wiki/Hetty_Reckless" title="Hetty Reckless">Hetty Reckless</a> got 8480 hits which seems to be a good result as the picture hook got 3652. I reckon a fair amount of that is simply due to the attractive quality of her name, which is what got me started in the first place. Perhaps an even better hook would have been just "<b>Hetty Reckless!</b>" <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Davidson" title="User:Andrew Davidson">Andrew D.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Davidson" title="User talk:Andrew Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-28T19:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-01T07:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z"></span>I think it's a combination of three things. People seem to go crazy for George Washington and the escape from Salem sounds like a prison-outbreak, which is normally more gripping than slaves escaping (sadly!). Either way, that's an impressive number of hits for a non-image hook and I will keep it in my memory and add it to the stats page in a couple of days. Nice work! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-01T07:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-01T07:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-01T07:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Davidson-2016-03-01T07:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speaking_of_women's_history" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speaking_of_women's_history-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z"><span id="Speaking_of_women.27s_history"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speaking_of_women's_history-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Speaking of women's history<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speaking_of_women's_history-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history"></span>Did you know that two female cyclists — <a href="/wiki/Femke_Van_den_Driessche" title="Femke Van den Driessche">Femke Van den Driessche</a> who rode a 'unicorn' and <a href="/wiki/Evelyn_Stevens" class="mw-disambig" title="Evelyn Stevens">Evelyn Stevens</a> who set a one hour record — made bicycling history within the same month? The former article was new within the month. Probably outside the 7 day cutoff. The latter has not been 5X expanded. Too bad. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Er ... the first one right now looks like a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP1E" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP1E">WP:BLP1E</a> target. In other words, without more about her, rather than just that one incident, it could well be deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:GRuban" title="User:GRuban">GRuban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GRuban" title="User talk:GRuban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z"></span>We will have to disagree. The event was so significant in the sport that it transcends her individually. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z"></span>That's all right, but then the article shouldn't be named after her, since it's about the event, not her biography. --<a href="/wiki/User:GRuban" title="User:GRuban">GRuban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GRuban" title="User talk:GRuban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z"></span>It is there. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Before" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Before">WP:Before</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">Wikipedia:Deletion policy</a> address your canard. It is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notable</a>. That it might be renamed is no excuse to delete it. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:I_don%27t_like_it" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:I don't like it">Don't like it</a> is no pretense either. And she actually did have some success before this day that will live in infamy. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T20:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z"></span>I'm really not attacking you. Honest. --<a href="/wiki/User:GRuban" title="User:GRuban">GRuban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GRuban" title="User talk:GRuban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T20:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T21:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z"></span>That's fine. We can disagree. I Just think the subject is plenty notable.</dd> <dd>Having spent time at many <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">WP:PRODs</a>, I figure it is better to lay our cards out on the table so we don't go through a lot of wasted effort.</dd> <dd>But if you have an irrepressible urge, all I can do is lead you to water, but I can't make you drink. You may be assured, however, I will make my points (and there will be more, as I will expand the article), if and when the occasion arises. And when it does we will ride that horse to its inevitable conclusion.</dd> <dd>We can cooperate. We can reason together. You and I have been building an encyclopedia side-by-side for many years. I trust that will continue. Best regards. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T21:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T21:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T21:53:00.000Z-GRuban-2016-02-29T21:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-03-01T15:35:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history"></span>In its present format and sourcing the coverage is overwhelming. I think I have completed a 5X expansion of the whole article, but given how the numbers are figured probably not. IMO, it would have to go the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">WP:GA</a> route, which is always slow. But I did <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations">nominate it for a GA</a>. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-03-01T15:35:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-03-01T15:35:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-03-01T15:35:00.000Z-Speaking_of_women's_history"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Carl_Edgar_Myers" title="Carl Edgar Myers">Carl Edgar Myers</a> in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1">prep 1</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1"></span>"Carl Edgar Myers was the first person to claim the title of aeronautical engineer" This is quite an exceptional claim and as such requires exceptional sources to back it up. Instead it is backed up to a blog post by "Albert Robbins". I have no idea who Albert Robbins is or why his blog post is considered a reliable source. I'd suggest pulling this as no alternative hook were presented. Also pinging the nominator, <a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">User:Doug Coldwell</a>, in case I missed something obvious. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z-Carl_Edgar_Myers_in_prep_1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span>I agree that a blog post simply isn't good enough. If it's correct that Myers was the first to call himself an aeronautical engineer, it should be easy to find another, better source. If such sources don't exist, it's probably an indication that the claim is unreliable. <a href="/wiki/User:Bencherlite" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bencherlite">Bencherlite</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bencherlite" title="User talk:Bencherlite"><i><sup>Talk</sup></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Carl_Edgar_Myers" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Carl Edgar Myers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span>Template:Did you know nominations/Carl Edgar Myers</a> reopened, article pulled from prep1. <a href="/wiki/User:Bencherlite" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bencherlite">Bencherlite</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bencherlite" title="User talk:Bencherlite"><i><sup>Talk</sup></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-02T10:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z"></span>Before moving this to Prep I looked at the cited source. It isn't just a blog post by any old individual, but a comment by the administrator of the Naval Airship Association by way of introduction to information on one of Myers' patents. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T11:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z"></span>What makes him a reliable source on Carl Myers? What's wrong with finding a better source for a claim such as this? <a href="/wiki/User:Bencherlite" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bencherlite">Bencherlite</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bencherlite" title="User talk:Bencherlite"><i><sup>Talk</sup></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T11:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z"></span>A different hook would probably be better, because <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=FC2Z6O1Y-asC&pg=PA90">this source</a> awards the title to Leornardo da Vinci. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z-Bencherlite-2016-03-02T12:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z"></span>Nope. That source calls Leonardo da Vinci the first aeronautical engineer, but the hook was about the first person to call <i>himself</i> an aeronautical engineer. I agree that the source for that claim is not really sufficiently reliable. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-02T12:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-03-02T15:54:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z"></span>I struck out the original hook and am offering ALT1 for consideration. It has 5 references.-<a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Coldwell" title="User:Doug Coldwell">Doug Coldwell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Coldwell" title="User talk:Doug Coldwell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-03-02T15:54:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-03-02T15:54:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Coldwell-2016-03-02T15:54:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-02T12:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Duplicate_DYK_entry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Duplicate_DYK_entry-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Duplicate_DYK_entry-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z"></span>Duplicate DYK entry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Duplicate_DYK_entry-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Plum_cake" title="Plum cake"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z-Duplicate_DYK_entry"></span>Plum cake</a> is presently on Main page. However, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIADYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIADYK">WP:WIADYK</a> #1e, it is actually not qualified because it has previously been on Main page as a DYK entry (see <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Plum_cake" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Plum cake">Template:Did you know nominations/Plum cake</a>). Feel free to pull it at will, as I mistakenly missed this aspect of the rules when creating the new nomination at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Plum_cake_1" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Plum cake 1">Template:Did you know nominations/Plum cake 1</a>. Sorry for the error, <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><a href="/wiki/User:Northamerica1000" title="User:Northamerica1000">North America</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northamerica1000" title="User talk:Northamerica1000"><span style="font-size:x-small;">1000</span></a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z-Duplicate_DYK_entry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z-Duplicate_DYK_entry"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z-Duplicate_DYK_entry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z"></span>I'm not fussed either way. If we are going to pull it, there should be a replacement hook, as there's nothing wrong with it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2016-03-03T00:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-03T02:41:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Well, the reviewer certainly shouldn't have approved it. That's one of the criteria to check for, and if DYKcheck had been used, the issue would have been flagged. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-03T02:41:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-03T02:41:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-03T02:41:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can't_edit_the_nom?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can't_edit_the_nom?-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z"><span id="Can.27t_edit_the_nom.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can't_edit_the_nom?-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Can't edit the nom?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can't_edit_the_nom?-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z-Can't_edit_the_nom?"></span>I just posted <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/AN/APQ-7">this</a>, but it seems you cannot edit it by clicking on the buttons in the nom list. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z-Can't_edit_the_nom?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z-Can't_edit_the_nom?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z-Can't_edit_the_nom?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Works for me. Have you purged? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z-Maury_Markowitz-2016-03-03T22:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span>No, there's something wrong with it. It opens to a blank edit window instead of the nomination itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z"></span>Maury Markowitz</a> I know what's wrong with it, but I don't know how to fix it. It's the slash in the article's title. Clicking "Review or comment" takes you to "Template:Did you know nominations/APQ-7". It does not recognize "AN". Oddly enough, clicking on "Article history" works. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z"></span>How strange. It doesn't work for me now. The <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:DYKmake" title="Template:DYKmake">DYKmake</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> works now that I've fixed the link to the subpage, so the issue is probably only in finding it on the nominations page. No idea on how to fix it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z-Maile66-2016-03-03T23:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-04T02:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z"></span>Fixed. The DYK nompage links template also needed a similar adjustment to its nompage parameter. Edits from the <a href="/wiki/T:TDYK" class="mw-redirect" title="T:TDYK">T:TDYK</a> page should work now. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-04T02:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-04T02:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-04T02:36:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-03T23:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dubious_claim_in_queue_5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z"></span>Dubious claim in queue 5<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg/220px-Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="147" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg/330px-Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg/440px-Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3872" data-file-height="2592"/></a><figcaption>How many bricks did we have, again?</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>... that the <b><a href="/wiki/Chappel_Viaduct" title="Chappel Viaduct">Chappel Viaduct</a></b> <i>(pictured)</i> is reputed to be the second-largest brick-built structure in England?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chappel_Viaduct" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chappel Viaduct">Template:Did you know nominations/Chappel Viaduct</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell">HJ Mitchell</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Philafrenzy" title="User:Philafrenzy">Philafrenzy</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a>:</span> </p><p>It is sourced (to the BBC, no problem there), and "reputed to be" is added to indicate that it is not certain, so the hook is not wrong (and I haven't removed it). </p><p>However, there are too many other claimants for this distinction to really say that the hook is right, in my opinion, and it would be better to go with something that is undoubtedly true instead of some well-sourced but dubious claim. </p><p>Hockley Viaduct claims to be the largest brick built structure in the country<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.cityofwinchester.co.uk/history/html/viaduct.html">[19]</a>. Then there are Battersea Power Station, and Stockport Viaduct<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.agencevu.com/news/BRITLANDSCAPE/ppages/ppage11.html">[20]</a>, which is said to have 11 million bricks (compared to the 7 million of Chappel). British Library at St. Pancras also has 10 million bricks. </p><p>Of course, these all are mere dwarves compared to <a href="/wiki/Stanley_Dock_Tobacco_Warehouse" title="Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse">Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse</a>, with its 27 million bricks! <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z"></span>To paraphrase <a href="/wiki/Bill_Clinton" title="Bill Clinton">Bill Clinton</a>, it depends on what your definition of the word "largest" is. I can see two sources that say the Hockley Viaduct is the largest of its kind in the <i>country</i> (I guess they both cribbed off each other); quite what "country" means I'm not sure but I assume it's discounting buildings. While Battersea Power Station was logged as being the largest brick structure upon opening in 1929 (according to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=k1vCTvtM3-kC&pg=PT265&lpg=PT265&dq=%22largest+brick+built+structure%22+in+britain&source=bl&ots=0bdcf6ETfk&sig=srtMJRiXg9M5EDBe_E0ULAnNW8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx2uSQ76TLAhXFnYMKHW4fChwQ6AEIVDAN#v=onepage&q=%22largest%20brick%20built%20structure%22%20in%20britain&f=false">this</a>), which does imply there might have been something larger built since (the Euston Road BL is obviously newer, and the record has been held by other things including the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.hektoeninternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1785">Royal Hospital Haslar in 1762</a>). Meanwhile, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.architectureanddesign.com.au/features/list/largest-brick-buildings-around-the-world-infograph">this source</a> says <a href="/wiki/St_Pancras_railway_station" title="St Pancras railway station">St Pancras railway station</a> is third biggest in the world, ahead of Battersea.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Meanwhile, ALT1 in the nomination "ALT1:that the Chappel Viaduct (pictured) is the longest bridge in East Anglia?" would have been a suitable alternative, but that seems to have been tripped up at the review as not being verifiable. I'll have a rummage around and see what I can find; in the meantime it might be worthwhile pulling the hook to suggest alts. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-03T15:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Alt 1 was approved AGF as an offline source but now has an online source. Trouble is it is not very interesting. What about something about coins laid in the foundations of the viaduct being stolen within hours? Or seven million bricks being used. That is in itself quite interesting even if it is not the largest amount in one construction. <a href="/wiki/User:Philafrenzy" title="User:Philafrenzy">Philafrenzy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Philafrenzy" title="User talk:Philafrenzy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T19:55:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z"></span>Personally I like the vanishing coins story from reference [2]. I have the book to which it is sourced (albeit the first edition, not the second), and can confirm that everything in the third paragraph of the "Construction" section is covered in the book (also, it mentions that the suspect was apprehended when he tried to pay with a "newly minted sovereign" at a nearby pub!). How about something like this... <ul><li>... that newly minted coins placed inside one of the <a href="/wiki/Pier_(architecture)" title="Pier (architecture)">piers</a> of <b><a href="/wiki/Chappel_Viaduct" title="Chappel Viaduct">Chappel Viaduct</a></b> went missing within hours?</li></ul></dd> <dd>(Incidentally the slightly earlier (1845–46) <a href="/wiki/London_Road_viaduct" class="mw-redirect" title="London Road viaduct">London Road viaduct</a> in Brighton had 10 million bricks.) <span style="font-family:Helvetica;"><a href="/wiki/User:Hassocks5489" title="User:Hassocks5489"><span style="color:#00BFFF;"><b>Hassocks</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hassocks5489" title="User talk:Hassocks5489"><span style="color:#228B22;">5489</span><span style="color:#C71585;"><small> (Floreat Hova!)</small></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T19:55:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T19:55:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T19:55:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T18:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Paying for a pint with a sovereign is a better story if you can put it in the article from your book and format a hook? <a href="/wiki/User:Philafrenzy" title="User:Philafrenzy">Philafrenzy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Philafrenzy" title="User talk:Philafrenzy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-03T15:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z"></span>I've added that. My slight concern would be that the anecdote might not be in the second edition of the book ... I think we'd need HJ Mitchell's input on that. Anyway, here's a suggestion (166 characters): <ul><li>... that newly minted coins placed inside a <a href="/wiki/Pier_(architecture)" title="Pier (architecture)">pier</a> of <b><a href="/wiki/Chappel_Viaduct" title="Chappel Viaduct">Chappel Viaduct</a></b> went missing within hours, and a bricklayer who proffered a new half-sovereign in a bar was suspected? (or "pub" rather than "bar"!) <span style="font-family:Helvetica;"><a href="/wiki/User:Hassocks5489" title="User:Hassocks5489"><span style="color:#00BFFF;"><b>Hassocks</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hassocks5489" title="User talk:Hassocks5489"><span style="color:#228B22;">5489</span><span style="color:#C71585;"><small> (Floreat Hova!)</small></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z-Philafrenzy-2016-03-03T20:00:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-03-03T21:07:00.000Z-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z"></span>The second edition does indeed mention it ("a bricklayer was apprehended after tendering a newly minted half-sovereign at a bar"). No objections if we prefer that hook. As for the "second-largest", I searched but couldn't find a competing claim—while I'm sure there is one (hence "reputed"), everything I found was about various structures claiming to be the largest, rather than the second largest. If I'd found a directly competing claim I might not have put it in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;"><b>HJ Mitchell</b></span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-03-03T21:07:00.000Z-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-03-03T21:07:00.000Z-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-2016-03-03T21:07:00.000Z-Hassocks5489-2016-03-03T20:20:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-04T07:45:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"></span>Thanks for the input. I have for now removed the hook from the queue, queue5 will need a new leading hook. I'll reopen the DYK template discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-04T07:45:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-04T07:45:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-04T07:45:00.000Z-Dubious_claim_in_queue_5"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ruth_M._Gardiner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ruth_M._Gardiner-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ruth_M._Gardiner-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z"></span>Ruth M. Gardiner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ruth_M._Gardiner-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alanscottwalker-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z-Ruth_M._Gardiner"></span>I attempted to fix a rather obvious factual error in <a href="/wiki/Ruth_M._Gardiner" title="Ruth M. Gardiner">Ruth M. Gardiner</a> , based on the cited source: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruth_M._Gardiner&type=revision&diff=708422270&oldid=708308052">diff</a>. The article is queued up for a lead article on Woman's History Day, so you might want to take another look. <a href="/wiki/User:Alanscottwalker" title="User:Alanscottwalker">Alanscottwalker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alanscottwalker" title="User talk:Alanscottwalker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Alanscottwalker-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z-Ruth_M._Gardiner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alanscottwalker-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z-Ruth_M._Gardiner"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alanscottwalker-2016-03-05T15:15:00.000Z-Ruth_M._Gardiner"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Error_in_Prep_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Error_in_Prep_4-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Error_in_Prep_4-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span>Error in Prep 4<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Error_in_Prep_4-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z-Error_in_Prep_4"></span>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Christiane_Floyd" title="Christiane Floyd">Christiane Floyd</a></b> was the first professor of computer science in Germany?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Christiane_Floyd" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Christiane Floyd">Template:Did you know nominations/Christiane Floyd</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Canley" title="User:Canley">Canley</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> </p><p>Source states "Sie war die erste Informatik-Professorin Deutschlands."<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2011-03/floyd-informatik-frauen/komplettansicht">[21]</a>. The DYK discussion settled on the translation "She was the first computer science professor in Germany", but in reality what the source claims is " "She was the first female computer science professor in Germany". Considering that she became professor in 1978, and that by 1970 there were Computer Science departments at the universities of Stuttgart, Magdeburg, and probably others, it is to be expected that there had been earlier (male) professors. An example would be Rul Gunzenhauser, professor in Computer Science at Stuttgart University since 1973<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://prabook.org/web/person-view.html?profileId=252331">[22]</a>. Others would include Volker Claus, professor in Computer Science since 1972 in Dortmund. </p><p>I removed the hook as it was incorrect. I haven't checked the source claim that she was the first <i>female</i> professor of computer science in Germany. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z-Error_in_Prep_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z-Error_in_Prep_4"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z-Error_in_Prep_4"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span>We seem to be getting an awful lot of "Did you know ... that 'x' was the first 'y'" hooks coming through at the moment (as mentioned above). I wonder if it's worth just going through the entire nomination set now, whether unreviewed, in prep or in queue, and taking a close look at all of them. However, in this case I think pulling the hook was overkill, you could have just put "female" on it. It's verifiable to <i><a href="/wiki/Die_Zeit" title="Die Zeit">Die Zeit</a></i> (I translate "Sie war die erste Informatik-Professorin Deutschlands" as "She was the first German female IT professor" - for those who don't know, the suffix "-in" in German usually denotes a female something) and you haven't listed any sources that contradict it, and I can't find anything obvious via a quick Google or looking at the enries in <a href="/wiki/Women_in_computing" title="Women in computing">Women in computing</a> either. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Canley-2016-03-05T00:15:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, my fault about the suffix. I'll try and find some verification: <i>Die Zeit</i> as you mention, some <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://summit.is4is.org/last-minute-calls">IS4IS Summit in Gothenburg: "the first female professor in informatics in German speaking countries"</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.hnf.de/ueber-uns/presse/pressemitteilungen/ansicht/artikel//it-began-with-ada-women-in-computer-history.html">Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum: "In 1978, Christiane Floyd was the first woman in Germany to be appointed as a computer science professor – at TU Berlin."</a>. So should be fine to add female to the hook. --<a href="/wiki/User:Canley" title="User:Canley">Canley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Canley" title="User talk:Canley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Canley-2016-03-05T00:15:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Canley-2016-03-05T00:15:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Canley-2016-03-05T00:15:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-05T16:30:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z"></span>A. I never change the hook in a prep, queue or main page if it changes the meaning: there is just as much chance that I am wrong or that the new hook is wrong. We have a three-person review (nom, reviewer, promotor) to get correct hooks, no one should impose another hook instead on their own. B. I thought there was seriouos resistance (at the "Writing about Women" project?) against having "was the first woman to X" hooks and leads, as that kind of statement still may be read as women being second-rate people, even though such is not the intention and being the first woman to do X <i>is</i> a remarkable achievement because it is another step in the struggle against women being treated as second-rate citizens. Either reason is good enough for me <i>not</i> to change a hook (and certainly this hook) on my own. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-05T16:30:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-05T16:30:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-05T16:30:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2016-03-04T15:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="International_Women's_Day_prep_sets" data-mw-thread-id="h-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z"><span id="International_Women.27s_Day_prep_sets"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z"></span>International Women's Day prep sets<span data-mw-comment-end="h-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets"></span>If there any any nominations still needing review for International Women's Day, please let me know! There are still two slots left for the day. If they're aren't filled up soon, I will probably just use hooks for women's history month. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z-International_Women's_Day_prep_sets"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z"></span>Jolly Janner</a> Doris Stevens would be a great one since she helped get the first international agreement concerning women passed, but it still needs to be reviewed. <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-05T05:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z"></span>Direct link: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Doris_Stevens" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Doris Stevens">Template:Did you know nominations/Doris Stevens</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-03-05T05:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-05T21:50:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z"></span>I started the review. Just a question about hook phrasing, and it's good to go. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-05T21:50:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 5 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-05T21:50:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-05T21:50:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-05T18:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Renominating_an_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Renominating_an_article-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Renominating_an_article-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z"></span>Renominating an article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Renominating_an_article-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z-Renominating_an_article"></span>A little while back I nominated the Baleen whale article for DYK, but it failed because it didn't meet the 5x expansion requirement. It has recently been promoted (actually an hour ago) to GA status so I'm trying to renominate it but when I try to make the nomination page it redirects me to the old one. How do I start a new one? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Dunkleosteus77" title="User:Dunkleosteus77">User:Dunkleosteus77</a> |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dunkleosteus77" title="User talk:Dunkleosteus77">push to talk</a> </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z-Renominating_an_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z-Renominating_an_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z-Renominating_an_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z"></span>There's no need for a new page. Just use the old one at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Baleen_whale" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Baleen whale">Template:Did you know nominations/Baleen whale</a>, which I've re-opened. I will also list it on the nominations page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z"></span>Thank you <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Dunkleosteus77" title="User:Dunkleosteus77">User:Dunkleosteus77</a> |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dunkleosteus77" title="User talk:Dunkleosteus77">push to talk</a> </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T06:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dunkleosteus77" title="User:Dunkleosteus77">Dunkleosteus77</a>:</span>, my sincere apologies. The best way forward looks like we should keep it closed and start a new one. Just type Baleen Whales 2 into the nomination page box and follow the procedure as normal. If you want help, let me know. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z-Dunkleosteus77-2016-03-06T06:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z"></span>Actually, I think it would be easier for me to create a new file from scratch. Give me a few minutes... <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T08:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z"></span>Okay, it's done. The new nomination, <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Baleen_whale_2" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Baleen whale 2">Template:Did you know nominations/Baleen whale 2</a>, is in the same place under March 6 on the nominations page. Since both the original and ALT1 hooks were identical, I deleted the ALT1. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:47:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T16:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z"><span id="Prep_4:_International_Women.27s_Day_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z"></span>Prep 4: International Women's Day hooks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span>Prep 4, which has just been moved up to the Queue, does not reflect International Women's Day at all, with 4 out of 8 hooks pertaining to United States women. The <a href="/wiki/Patricia_E._Ryan" title="Patricia E. Ryan">Patricia E. Ryan</a> hook was added at the last minute, although she was not an International Women's Day candidate. Meanwhile, Prep 5 has 6 non-US bios to 2 US bios, a much better balance. Could Prep 4 be moved back to the Preps section so we can balance it better? <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z"></span>A few more suitable (non-US) hooks for International Women's Day have been approved, and I've added them to the Special Occasions requests area. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z"></span>I support the concept of giving more time to edit the prep set, but that will leave us with about 30 hours in which to finalise it and move it back to the queue, so I can understand why admins are hesitant. Maybe temporarily clear prep 4, so it can be moved back. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T12:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-06T17:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z"></span>We have 2 approved hooks ready to swap with 2 of the US bios. We just need the prep set back. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T20:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T21:19:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Alternatively, you could suggest the exact changes you want to make and ping an admin to do the work. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T21:19:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T21:19:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-06T21:19:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span> Pinging <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Casliber</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Allen3" title="User:Allen3">Allen3</a>:</span>: Could you please remove <a href="/wiki/Patricia_E._Ryan" title="Patricia E. Ryan">Patricia E. Ryan</a> from Queue 4 and replace with this hook from <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Joceline_Clemencia" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Joceline Clemencia">Template:Did you know nominations/Joceline Clemencia</a>: </p><ul><li>... that <a href="/wiki/Afro-Cura%C3%A7aoan" class="mw-redirect" title="Afro-Curaçaoan">Afro-Curaçaoan</a> writer and educator <b><a href="/wiki/Joceline_Clemencia" title="Joceline Clemencia">Joceline Clemencia</a></b> advocated for <a href="/wiki/Papiamento" title="Papiamento">Papiamento</a> to become an official language of <a href="/wiki/Cura%C3%A7ao" title="Curaçao">Curaçao</a>?</li></ul> <p>I confirm that everything is in order and it is ready to be promoted. Thank you. </p> <dl><dd>Regarding the 2nd hook that I would like to swap, I have a question about the hook sourcing and am awaiting an answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z-Prep_4:_International_Women's_Day_hooks"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z"></span>Ok, <s>doing</s> first swap now done. <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-06T22:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:21:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:21:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:21:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:21:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-07T05:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Harnoncourt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Harnoncourt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Harnoncourt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Harnoncourt<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Harnoncourt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z-Harnoncourt"></span>Now in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2">Prep 2</a>: * ... that <b><a href="/wiki/Delores_Ziegler" title="Delores Ziegler">Delores Ziegler</a></b>, who teaches voice at the <a href="/wiki/University_of_Maryland" class="mw-redirect" title="University of Maryland">University of Maryland</a>, appeared as Dorabella in Mozart's <i><a href="/wiki/Cos%C3%AC_fan_tutte" title="Così fan tutte">Così fan tutte</a></i> for her debut at <a href="/wiki/La_Scala" title="La Scala">La Scala</a>, and in the <a href="/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Ponnelle" title="Jean-Pierre Ponnelle">Ponnelle</a>/<a href="/wiki/Nikolaus_Harnoncourt" title="Nikolaus Harnoncourt">Harnoncourt</a> film? - When I worded that I didn't know Harnoncourt would die. It might be a good idea to have it sooner, as a tribute, - which would also avoid to have two opera singers close together (Hallin now in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_3" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3">Prep 3</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z-Harnoncourt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z-Harnoncourt"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z-Harnoncourt"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:22:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Hallin is back in Prep 4. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:22:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:22:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T07:22:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2016-03-07T00:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Electioneering_rule?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Electioneering_rule?-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"><span id="Electioneering_rule.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Electioneering_rule?-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Electioneering rule?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Electioneering_rule?-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z-Electioneering_rule?"></span>Should this hook also be held off until after the U.S. primary season? It was <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ren_Zhiqiang" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ren Zhiqiang">just approved</a>: </p> <ul><li>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Ren_Zhiqiang" title="Ren Zhiqiang">Ren Zhiqiang</a></b>, a property tycoon and outspoken critic of the government, has been called "China's <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a>"?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z-Electioneering_rule?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z-Electioneering_rule?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z-Electioneering_rule?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T20:55:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span>IMO no, but I would like to hear the opinions of others. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T20:55:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T20:55:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-02-29T20:55:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Is this a joke? It has no relevance at all to the current election frenzy in the US. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T20:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Any mention of Donald Trump elicits election frenzy in the US... <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-02-29T21:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z"></span>And thus it should generate a lot of hits. This is the <i>perfect</i> time to run this!--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><span style="color:navy;"><b>3family6</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><span style="color:black;"><u>Talk to me</u></span></a> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><span style="color:purple;">See what I have done</span></a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-02-29T22:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z"></span>Typically as a reviewer we certify that the hook is 'decently neutral' or something like that. Is this hook kosher? Or do we just descend into Trumpian hyperbole on the main page? Are we to become <a href="/wiki/Fox_News" title="Fox News">Fox News</a> or <a href="/wiki/MSNBC" title="MSNBC">MSNBC</a> in a battle for ratings? <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z-3family6-2016-02-29T22:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z"></span>As far as I knew, the rule was 30 days pre-election moratorium for political figure hooks however because the hook is more about this Ren person than Trump, I would have said that rule doesn't apply because it isn't about Trump primarily and Ren isn't in an election in the next 30 days. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:The_C_of_E" title="User:The C of E"><span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_C_of_E" title="User talk:The C of E"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z-7&6=thirteen-2016-02-29T22:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:10:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:The_C_of_E" title="User:The C of E">The C of E</a>:</span> It seems the current situation is not to run US politics DYKs until after 8 June, when the primaries are over. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302">Joseph2302</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:10:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:10:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:10:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z"></span>That said, this nomination has nothing to do with US politics, so should be allowed to run. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302">Joseph2302</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z-The_C_of_E-2016-03-01T00:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z"></span>Consensus seems pretty evenly divided. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a>:</span> what is your opinion? <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z-Joseph2302-2016-03-02T23:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span>I don't see a problem with it. As The C of E pointed out, the hook isn't about Trump, but merely mentions him. There is no neutrality issue with the hook. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JA"><span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span></a>!</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-03T13:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a>:</span>, no one has stated any opposition to this hook, so I think it is fine to use. While users have raised questions, all the answers seem to be that it is okay to proceed. What are your thoughts? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2016-03-06T22:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z"></span>User:7&6=thirteen</a> did express reservations, but the overall consensus seems to be to go ahead. I guess we could promote it now. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-07T08:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-08T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Promoted to Prep 4. <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yoninah" title="User talk:Yoninah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Yoninah-2016-03-08T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-08T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yoninah-2016-03-08T00:40:00.000Z-Yoninah-2016-03-07T13:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z"></span>Norrie May-Welby nomination rejection<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection"></span>Hi, </p><p>I nominated <a href="/wiki/Norrie_May-Welby" title="Norrie May-Welby">Norrie May-Welby</a> for a DYK. <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Norrie_May-Welby" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Norrie May-Welby">This nomination</a> was rejected by <a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">User:Yoninah</a>, based on <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">User:Maile66</a>'s assertion that 'this nomination that already appeared on DYK 26 March 2010. </p><p>The Norrie May-Welby <b>article</b> did indeed appear on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2010/March#26_March_2010" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/March">26 March 2010</a>, but not the nominated fact. </p><p>The 2010 fact read: « ... that in March 2010, Australia became the first country in the world to officially recognise a 'non-specified' gender, when Norrie May-Welby was found to be neither a man nor a woman? » </p><p>My nominated fact read: « that norrie mAy-welby’s chosen onomastic majusculation represents a redistribution of capital? » </p><p>I don't see any rule against the same article appearing twice, so I'm going to renominate my fact and link to this topic in the comments. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/198.161.143.149" title="Special:Contributions/198.161.143.149">198.161.143.149</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:198.161.143.149" title="User talk:198.161.143.149">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z-Norrie_May-Welby_nomination_rejection"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jakec-2016-03-08T01:08:00.000Z-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z"></span>Sorry to rain on the parade, but there actually is a rule against it, and I don't recall IAR ever being invoked for it. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Eligibility_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">criterion 1e</a> of the basic DYK rules. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>) </b> <small><small>aka Jakec</small></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jakec-2016-03-08T01:08:00.000Z-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jakec-2016-03-08T01:08:00.000Z-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jakec-2016-03-08T01:08:00.000Z-198.161.143.149-2016-03-08T01:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z"></span>Corrected hook on Main Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page"></span>I've corrected a hook on the main page, please check and re-correct if necessary. <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mar%C3%ADa_Currea_Manrique" title="Template:Did you know nominations/María Currea Manrique">Template:Did you know nominations/María Currea Manrique</a>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:LavaBaron" title="User:LavaBaron">LavaBaron</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner">Jolly Janner</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>... that a Colombian Civil Order of Merit <b><a href="/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Currea_Manrique" title="María Currea Manrique">María Currea Manrique</a></b> is given annually on <a href="/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day" title="International Women's Day">International Women's Day</a> in honor of the first female president of the <a href="/wiki/Bogot%C3%A1_City_Council" title="Bogotá City Council">Bogotá City Council</a>?</li></ul> <p>to </p> <ul><li>... that a Bogotan Civil Order of Merit <b><a href="/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Currea_Manrique" title="María Currea Manrique">María Currea de Aya</a></b> is given annually on <a href="/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day" title="International Women's Day">International Women's Day</a> in honor of the first female president of the <a href="/wiki/Bogot%C3%A1_City_Council" title="Bogotá City Council">Bogotá City Council</a>?</li></ul> <p>The Order is not a national one, but one created by the Bogota City Council only (and for women in Bogota only as well): and the official name of the Order is not "María Currea Manrique" but "María Currea de Aya". This is both clear from the hook source used in the article<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.alcaldiabogota.gov.co/sisjur/normas/Norma1.jsp?i=14564">[23]</a>. </p><p>I know that this goes against my self-expressed rule not to change the meaning of hooks in prep, queue or main page, but I didn't think that being too rigid about this would be helpful in this case. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z-Corrected_hook_on_Main_Page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusunW-2016-03-08T12:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a>. I am grateful for the assistance. I am always in favor of helping and opposed to being doggedly rigid. The council and her name are minor elements which don't change the overall gist, as you noted. Blasted married names, and even in a Spanish country with which one normally retains their own name for life ... ;) <a href="/wiki/User:SusunW" title="User:SusunW">SusunW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusunW" title="User talk:SusunW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-SusunW-2016-03-08T12:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusunW-2016-03-08T12:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusunW-2016-03-08T12:51:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-08T12:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z"></span>Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"></span>The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've compiled a new set of the 40 oldest nominations that need reviewing, which includes hooks through February 21. As of the most recent update, 95 nominations have been approved, leaving 159 of 254 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the two from January and the next eight from the first part of February that are left over from the previous list. </p> <ul><li><s>January 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/TNGHT_(EP)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/TNGHT (EP)">Template:Did you know nominations/TNGHT (EP)</a></s></li> <li><s>January 30: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Hyperloop_pod_competition" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperloop pod competition">Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperloop pod competition</a></s></li> <li><s>February 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chuffer_Dandridge" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge">Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge</a></s></li> <li>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sintax_the_Terrific" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific">Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific</a></li> <li>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Karl_%C4%8Cermak" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak">Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak</a> (two articles)</li> <li><s>February 5: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Campaign_74B" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Campaign 74B">Template:Did you know nominations/Campaign 74B</a></s></li> <li><s>February 6: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Stranger_Things_(Yuck_album)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Stranger Things (Yuck album)">Template:Did you know nominations/Stranger Things (Yuck album)</a></s></li> <li><s>February 9: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/No_Land%27s_Song" title="Template:Did you know nominations/No Land's Song">Template:Did you know nominations/No Land's Song</a></s></li> <li>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Phou_Khao_Kham" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Phou Khao Kham">Template:Did you know nominations/Phou Khao Kham</a></li> <li><s>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Yohei_Komatsu,_Sho_Tanaka" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Yohei Komatsu, Sho Tanaka">Template:Did you know nominations/Yohei Komatsu, Sho Tanaka</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cottalango_Leon" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cottalango Leon">Template:Did you know nominations/Cottalango Leon</a></s></li> <li><s>February 12: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Direcci%C3%B3n_General_de_Radio,_Televisi%C3%B3n_y_Cinematograf%C3%ADa" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Dirección General de Radio, Televisión y Cinematografía">Template:Did you know nominations/Dirección General de Radio, Televisión y Cinematografía</a></s></li> <li><s>February 12: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Manasollasa" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Manasollasa">Template:Did you know nominations/Manasollasa</a></s></li> <li><s>February 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Yung_Gud" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Yung Gud">Template:Did you know nominations/Yung Gud</a></s></li> <li><s>February 13: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Niralamba_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Niralamba Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Niralamba Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>February 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Richard_Langdon" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Langdon">Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Langdon</a></s></li> <li><s>February 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Assassination_of_Iranian_Nuclear_Scientists" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Assassination of Iranian Nuclear Scientists">Template:Did you know nominations/Assassination of Iranian Nuclear Scientists</a></s></li> <li><s>February 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Rama_Rahasya_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Rama Rahasya Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Rama Rahasya Upanishad</a></s></li> <li><s>February 14: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Merrill_Edge" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Merrill Edge">Template:Did you know nominations/Merrill Edge</a></s></li> <li><s>February 15: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kashf_al-Asrar" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kashf al-Asrar">Template:Did you know nominations/Kashf al-Asrar</a></s></li> <li><s>February 15: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Going_to_Tehran" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Going to Tehran">Template:Did you know nominations/Going to Tehran</a></s></li> <li><s>February 15: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Phalat" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phalat">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phalat</a></s></li> <li><s>February 16: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Iran_and_Red_and_black_colonization" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Iran and Red and black colonization">Template:Did you know nominations/Iran and Red and black colonization</a></s></li> <li><s>February 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Avarice" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Avarice">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Avarice</a></s></li> <li><s>February 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/%C3%89der_Monteiro_Fernandes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Éder Monteiro Fernandes">Template:Did you know nominations/Éder Monteiro Fernandes</a></s></li> <li><s>February 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Alexander_Hamilton_(song)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Alexander Hamilton (song)">Template:Did you know nominations/Alexander Hamilton (song)</a> (five articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Goat,_Kensington" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Goat, Kensington">Template:Did you know nominations/The Goat, Kensington</a></s></li> <li><s>February 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Tempe_streetcar" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Tempe streetcar">Template:Did you know nominations/Tempe streetcar</a></s></li> <li><s>February 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Rulaizong" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Rulaizong">Template:Did you know nominations/Rulaizong</a></s></li> <li><s>February 18: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Linguistic_Society_of_America" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Linguistic Society of America">Template:Did you know nominations/Linguistic Society of America</a></s></li> <li><s>February 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Great_Sage,_Heaven%27s_Equal" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Great Sage, Heaven's Equal">Template:Did you know nominations/The Great Sage, Heaven's Equal</a></s></li> <li><s>February 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Maharat" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Maharat">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Maharat</a></s></li> <li><s>February 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Befreit" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Befreit">Template:Did you know nominations/Befreit</a></s></li> <li><s>February 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mois%C3%A9s_Dagdug_Lutzow" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Moisés Dagdug Lutzow">Template:Did you know nominations/Moisés Dagdug Lutzow</a></s></li> <li><s>February 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mastermind:_How_to_Think_Like_Sherlock_Holmes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes">Template:Did you know nominations/Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes</a></s></li> <li><s>February 20: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_international_cricket_five-wicket_hauls_at_the_Sher-e-Bangla_Cricket_Stadium" title="Template:Did you know nominations/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at the Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium">Template:Did you know nominations/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls at the Sher-e-Bangla Cricket Stadium</a></s></li> <li>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kau_Ilhamku" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kau Ilhamku">Template:Did you know nominations/Kau Ilhamku</a></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cerattepe" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cerattepe">Template:Did you know nominations/Cerattepe</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/PiliPinas_Debates_2016" title="Template:Did you know nominations/PiliPinas Debates 2016">Template:Did you know nominations/PiliPinas Debates 2016</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Such,_wer_da_will,_ein_ander_Ziel" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Such, wer da will, ein ander Ziel">Template:Did you know nominations/Such, wer da will, ein ander Ziel</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Yalbugha_al-Umari,_al-Mansur_Muhammad,_Sultan_of_Egypt,_List_of_Mamluk_sultans" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Yalbugha al-Umari, al-Mansur Muhammad, Sultan of Egypt, List of Mamluk sultans">Template:Did you know nominations/Yalbugha al-Umari, al-Mansur Muhammad, Sultan of Egypt, List of Mamluk sultans</a> (three articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Euroleon_nostras" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Euroleon nostras">Template:Did you know nominations/Euroleon nostras</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/1994_Peshawar_school_bus_hijack_in_Pakistan" title="Template:Did you know nominations/1994 Peshawar school bus hijack in Pakistan">Template:Did you know nominations/1994 Peshawar school bus hijack in Pakistan</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chappel_Viaduct" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chappel Viaduct">Template:Did you know nominations/Chappel Viaduct</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/A_Second_Chance_at_Sarah" title="Template:Did you know nominations/A Second Chance at Sarah">Template:Did you know nominations/A Second Chance at Sarah</a></s></li></ul> <p>Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T06:24:00.000Z-Oldest_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queues_empty,_preps_full" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queues_empty,_preps_full-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z"><span id="Queues_empty.2C_preps_full"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queues_empty,_preps_full-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z"></span>Queues empty, preps full<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queues_empty,_preps_full-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z-Queues_empty,_preps_full"></span>Hey all, the queues are ALL empty and the prep sets are all full! Can someone move a few of the preps into the queues so we non-admins can fill more prep sets for you? There's a backlog of approved hooks that need to be moved in, some have languished for a month... thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z-Queues_empty,_preps_full" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z-Queues_empty,_preps_full"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z-Queues_empty,_preps_full"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z"></span>Montanabw</a>, Amberrock did that over an hour ago. I think you need to refresh your browser (or purge the page using the handy link), since there are six queues filled and only part of one prep filled at the moment. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:55:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z"></span>Excellent! I'll go fill some preps then! <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:55:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:55:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-03-09T21:55:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-09T21:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_is_almost_overdue" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_is_almost_overdue-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_is_almost_overdue-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z"></span>DYK is almost overdue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_is_almost_overdue-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DYKUpdateBot-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z-DYK_is_almost_overdue"></span>In less than two hours <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a> will need to be updated, however the <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/2">next queue</a></b> either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions: </p> <ol><li>Check the <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1">prep areas</a></b>; if there are between 6-10 hooks on the page then it is probably good to go. If not move approved hooks from the <b><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">suggestions page</a></b> and add them and the credits as required.</li> <li>Once completed edit <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/2" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/2">queue #2</a></b> and replace the page with the entire content from the next update</li> <li>Add {{<a href="/wiki/Template:DYKbotdo" title="Template:DYKbotdo">DYKbotdo</a>|~~~}} to the top of the queue and save the page</li></ol> <p>Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, <a href="/wiki/User:DYKUpdateBot" title="User:DYKUpdateBot">DYKUpdateBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DYKUpdateBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:DYKUpdateBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-DYKUpdateBot-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z-DYK_is_almost_overdue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DYKUpdateBot-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z-DYK_is_almost_overdue"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DYKUpdateBot-2016-03-09T22:05:00.000Z-DYK_is_almost_overdue"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_be_more_careful" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_be_more_careful-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_be_more_careful-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z"></span>Please be more careful<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_be_more_careful-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z-Please_be_more_careful"></span>Second hook in Queue5, so passed all human checks and was on its way to the mainpage... </p><p><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Naoum_Mokarzel" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Naoum Mokarzel">Template:Did you know nominations/Naoum Mokarzel</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Elie_plus" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Elie plus">Elie plus</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Al_Ameer_son" title="User:Al Ameer son">Al Ameer son</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>... that <i><a href="/wiki/Al-Hoda" title="Al-Hoda">Al-Hoda</a></i>, established by <b><a href="/wiki/Naoum_Mokarzel" title="Naoum Mokarzel">Naoum Mokarzel</a></b> in 1989, is the longest-running Arabic newspaper in the United States?</li></ul> <p>The hook was there from the time of the nomination, and has passed review like this. However, considering that Mokarzel died in 1932, he would be hard-pressed to establish anything in 1989 (and if it had been established then, it wouldn't be the longest-running etc.). Sure enough, it shouldn't be <i>1989</i> but <i>1898</i>. A typo, yes, but an important one when the age of the newspaper is the essence of the hook, and one that shouldn't have been missed by all reviewers. </p><p>Furthermore, as far as I can tell, it <i>was</i> the longest-running, it no longer runs (sources give the final date as 1968<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://kalimahpress.com/blog/naoum-mokarzel-2/">[24]</a>, 1976<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=DbCFBX6b3eEC&pg=PA492&dq=new+al-huda+new+york+newspaper+1976&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNvum98rXLAhUKOxQKHUgoAEwQ6AEIMzAA#v=onepage&q=new%20al-huda%20new%20york%20newspaper%201976&f=false">[25]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=hE8mBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT68&dq=new+al-huda+new+york+newspaper+1976&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNvum98rXLAhUKOxQKHUgoAEwQ6AEIPDAC#v=onepage&q=new%20al-huda%20new%20york%20newspaper%201976&f=false">[26]</a> or 1992<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=tmHEm5ohoCUC&pg=PA1525&dq=al-hoda+new+york+newspaper+1992&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsooH58rXLAhWEVRQKHVjJDHAQ6AEIMzAA#v=onepage&q=al-hoda%20new%20york%20newspaper%201992&f=false">[27]</a>, but no sources seem to indicate that it still exists). </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=z-y_q4J_eCEC&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=longest+running+arab+us+newspaper&source=bl&ots=SDrC5eK_o2&sig=5twX4qDthk6I7veMl9PkDIuANxk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOgYql87XLAhVD6RQKHWKvAC0Q6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=longest%20running%20arab%20us%20newspaper&f=false">This book</a> claims that Al-Hoda "only" ran for 60 years, as long as Al-Bayan, casting some doubt on the claim that it was <i>the</i> longest-running one. The longest-running now is the Arab-American News (since 1984). <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z-Please_be_more_careful" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z-Please_be_more_careful"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z-Please_be_more_careful"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z"></span>Ok, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know%2FQueue%2F5&type=revision&diff=709343871&oldid=709283019">changed</a> it. None of the dates make it as short as 60 years, but it does look like it no longer exists. <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elie_plus-2016-03-10T11:36:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z"></span>Thank you Fram and Casliber <a href="/wiki/User:Elie_plus" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Elie plus">~ Elias Z.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elie_plus" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Elie plus">talkallam</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Elie_plus-2016-03-10T11:36:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elie_plus-2016-03-10T11:36:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elie_plus-2016-03-10T11:36:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps...-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z"><span id="Perhaps.2C_perhaps.2C_perhaps..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps...-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps...-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..."></span>Section above was first hook in queue 4, this is the second hook in queue 4... <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Future_of_Palestine" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Future of Palestine">Template:Did you know nominations/The Future of Palestine</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Oncenawhile" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Oncenawhile">Oncenawhile</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:The_C_of_E" title="User:The C of E">The C of E</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock">Amberrock</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>... that the 1915 <a href="/wiki/British_Cabinet" class="mw-redirect" title="British Cabinet">British Cabinet</a> memorandum <i><b><a href="/wiki/The_Future_of_Palestine" title="The Future of Palestine">The Future of Palestine</a></b></i> was the first time that enlisting the wartime support of Jews was proposed in an official record?</li></ul> <p>Source: " perhaps the first time in any official record that enlisting Jewish support as a war measure was suggested. "<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.be/books?id=sY27UmuT6-4C&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=%22perhaps+the+first+time+in+any+official+record+that+enlisting+Jewish+support+as+a+war+measure+was+suggested.%22&source=bl&ots=cx9OWIVTZm&sig=2AMmzdUM5xi6YsI5slcgqdpjCxg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP-N7r6LXLAhXB7xQKHcTTABMQ6AEIIDAB#v=onepage&q=%22perhaps%20the%20first%20time%20in%20any%20official%20record%20that%20enlisting%20Jewish%20support%20as%20a%20war%20measure%20was%20suggested.%22&f=false">[28]</a> </p><p>Changing an uncertain, possible source into a definite, doubtless hook doesn't seem to be correct. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z-Perhaps,_perhaps,_perhaps..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z"></span>Agreed and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know%2FQueue%2F4&type=revision&diff=709344281&oldid=709261365">tweaked</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T09:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oncenawhile-2016-03-10T23:06:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Very fair, and thanks for the amendment. <a href="/wiki/User:Oncenawhile" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Oncenawhile">Oncenawhile</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oncenawhile" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Oncenawhile">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Oncenawhile-2016-03-10T23:06:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oncenawhile-2016-03-10T23:06:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oncenawhile-2016-03-10T23:06:00.000Z-Casliber-2016-03-10T11:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queue_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queue_3-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queue_3-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span>Queue 3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queue_3-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z-Queue_3"></span>Please could an admin change the hook for my article now in Queue 3 by removing the phrase "as a fodder crop" from the hook: </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>... that <a href="/wiki/Suaeda_fruticosa" title="Suaeda fruticosa">shrubby seablight</a> can be grown as a fodder crop using seawater for irrigation?</li></ul></dd></dl> <p>This request is the result of an intervention by an IP on the article's talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z-Queue_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z-Queue_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z-Queue_3"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-10T21:35:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span>Yes, done. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-10T21:35:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-10T21:35:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-10T21:35:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z-Queue_3"></span>Hmmm, this one strikes me as a possible April Fools hook. "Shrubby seablight" is a pretty comical name to start with. The hook could be something like: </p> <ul><li>... that you can look through a window made of <b><a href="/wiki/Shrubby_seablight" class="mw-redirect" title="Shrubby seablight">shrubby seablight</a></b>, then wash your hands with it before sitting down to eat it?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a>, would you have any objection to pulling this one for April Fools? <a href="/wiki/User:Gatoclass" title="User:Gatoclass">Gatoclass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gatoclass" title="User talk:Gatoclass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z-Queue_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z-Queue_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z-Queue_3"></span> </p> <ul><li><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z"></span>I quite like that, although I'm not sure about "sitting down to", perhaps just "before eating it"... <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T04:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z"></span>I would be quite happy to pull it now and proceed as you suggest. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T06:18:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the quick response! I have pulled the hook and will add it to the April Fools page shortly. <a href="/wiki/User:Gatoclass" title="User:Gatoclass">Gatoclass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gatoclass" title="User talk:Gatoclass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T06:18:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T06:18:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T06:18:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-11T06:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queue_5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queue_5-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queue_5-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z"></span>Queue 5<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queue_5-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edwardx-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z-Queue_5"></span>Hook #3. "$31 billion USD" should be "US$31 billion" or simply "$31 billion". And the figure is rather dubious. The <i>Wired</i> source reads, "suggesting that the value of jade production in the country could be as high at $31 billion", and nowhere that it is ALL going to "the ruling elite". The next para in the article gives "$122.8 billion" over a ten year period. <a href="/wiki/User:Edwardx" title="User:Edwardx">Edwardx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edwardx" title="User talk:Edwardx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Edwardx-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z-Queue_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edwardx-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z-Queue_5"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edwardx-2016-03-11T00:34:00.000Z-Queue_5"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z-Queue_5"></span>Changed to "US$31 billion". But I don't like this hook. I thought DYKs should use only facts. I don't think allegations should be considered as facts. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z-Queue_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z-Queue_5"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z-Queue_5"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z"></span>I agree with that concern and suggest that the hook is pulled and the nom re-opened to find some other, less controversial factoid from that article. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z"></span>If the hook is pulled, then please be sure to replace it immediately with a valid hook (<a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/4" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/4">Queue 4</a> has several, none of which are special occasion hooks), since Queue 5 is scheduled to be promoted to the main page at 12:00 UTC, or under five hours from now. <a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a>, there aren't a lot of admins hereabouts, so it looks like it's up to one of you to remove-and-replace. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-11T05:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z"></span>I've pulled the hook and replaced it with one from Queue 6; I should be online for a few hours, let me know if I've inadvertently picked a special occasion one, or you need me to do anything else. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OhanaUnited-2016-03-12T00:50:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z"></span>Yes please specify it's USD. Not everyone on Wikipedia is American, just saying. <a href="/wiki/User:OhanaUnited" title="User:OhanaUnited"><b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OhanaUnited" title="User talk:OhanaUnited"><b style="color:green;"><sup>Talk page</sup></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-OhanaUnited-2016-03-12T00:50:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OhanaUnited-2016-03-12T00:50:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OhanaUnited-2016-03-12T00:50:00.000Z-Espresso_Addict-2016-03-11T09:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queue_6_is_broken" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queue_6_is_broken-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queue_6_is_broken-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/6" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/6">Queue 6</a> is broken<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queue_6_is_broken-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z-Queue_6_is_broken"></span>There is less than 20 hours to fix things up before the bot brings the hook set onto MainPage. Need a new pic quickly. How should this be fixed? Suggestions, anyone, please? --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z-Queue_6_is_broken" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z-Queue_6_is_broken"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z-Queue_6_is_broken"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span>I would recommend <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Antarctic_Sound" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Antarctic Sound">Template:Did you know nominations/Antarctic Sound</a>. It's in the backlog and I've done an additional check on the hook, which is backed by a sound resource. As for the pics, I can vouch that any of the images used in the article are free for use. If you don't like the idea of using two water-going vessels in a row, the landscape photo <a href="/wiki/File:Antarctic_Sound-2016-Joinville_Island-Ice_Shelf.jpg" title="File:Antarctic Sound-2016-Joinville Island-Ice Shelf.jpg">File:Antarctic Sound-2016-Joinville Island-Ice Shelf.jpg</a> is awesome. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:35, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z"></span>Another thing to do would be to take the lead hook from the latest available set, which is currently <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/4" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/4">Queue 4</a>. (None of the hooks there are special occasion hooks, unlike <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_5" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 5">Prep 5</a>, which has two special occasion hooks.) While you're at it, you could move one of the later Queue 4 hooks to fill the empty hook in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/3" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/3">Queue 3</a>. It's never a great idea to leave empty slots in queues, but if it must be done, better in the most distant queue from the main page than one that's soon to be promoted there. Maybe, by the time you see this, there will be a decent selection of non-special occasion hooks in preps to promote to one or both of these spots. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:08:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T05:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span>All fixed now. <a href="/wiki/User:Gatoclass" title="User:Gatoclass">Gatoclass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gatoclass" title="User talk:Gatoclass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z-PFHLai-2016-03-11T04:16:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PFHLai-2016-03-12T08:51:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for fixing. --<a href="/wiki/User:PFHLai" title="User:PFHLai">PFHLai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PFHLai" title="User talk:PFHLai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-PFHLai-2016-03-12T08:51:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PFHLai-2016-03-12T08:51:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PFHLai-2016-03-12T08:51:00.000Z-Gatoclass-2016-03-11T08:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copyvio_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyvio_sources-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyvio_sources-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span>Copyvio sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyvio_sources-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span>Queue 6, <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Koenig_Specials" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Koenig Specials">Template:Did you know nominations/Koenig Specials</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Donnie_Park" title="User:Donnie Park">Donnie Park</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Miyagawa" title="User:Miyagawa">Miyagawa</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>... that <a href="/wiki/Enzo_Ferrari" title="Enzo Ferrari">Enzo Ferrari</a> ordered prancing horse badges to be removed from <a href="/wiki/Ferrari" title="Ferrari">Ferraris</a> once they had been modified by <b><a href="/wiki/Koenig_Specials" title="Koenig Specials">Koenig Specials</a></b>?</li></ul> <p>No problem with the hook, but two of the three sources for the hook seem to be copyright violating sites, the kind we should never link to. Both the magazine article shown on thepaddocks.be as the one on tuninghistory.com seem not to be published or owned by those sites and normally are still copyrighted. The same goes for some of the other sources, like Tuningarchive.ru (a Top Gear article), a few other articles from tuninghistory.com, from porschecarshistory.com, ferrarichat.com, some dropbox site. </p><p>The complete "bibliography" section, 18 links, <i>all</i> are copyvios. </p><p>When checking sources, please keep an eye open for these kind of problems. And of course, when <i>writing</i> articles, don't use these sites! <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span>So, how does one recognise that a source is a copyright-violating source? <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T12:34:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z"></span>A Russian site showing complete articles from English magazines is often a good giveaway (tuningarchive.ru). A source like "unknown (1985). "Mit Turbo und Kompressor". unknown magazine scan (in German). Retrieved 2 February 2016." is a giveaway as well. In general, if the websitename has no indication of either the publisher or the magazine title in its name, then it warrants a closer look. If it has "forum" or "blog" in it, same deal. When you open a link to a site like Porschecarshistory, it should be obvious as well (the chance that porschecarshistory.com would have the copyright to articles about Koenig from sources like Auto Bild (from Springer) <i>and</i> Road & Track (from Hachette) is highly unlikely, even without opening the site.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>And when in doubt, always assume that it is copyright violating, certainly when, like here, it shows scans from relatively recent magazines or newspapers. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-10T12:34:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-10T12:34:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-10T12:34:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-10T11:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-10T12:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span>It looks like the article creator has delinked all those sources now. <a href="/wiki/User:Gatoclass" title="User:Gatoclass">Gatoclass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gatoclass" title="User talk:Gatoclass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Gatoclass-2016-03-10T12:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-10T12:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gatoclass-2016-03-10T12:30:00.000Z-Fram-2016-03-10T10:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Donnie_Park-2016-03-12T03:39:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span>Cwmhiraeth</a> I thought it was best to link them in order to pass notability guidelines (though this one passes easily) since I had two articles failing AfC in January, despite sources, with editors dismissing it as a random website, which almost caused me to consider quitting Wikipedia. I only kept them on temporarily to assist with DYK. So with these websites, I don't have any other choices, especially topics widely ignored by Wikipedians and the mainstream media (such as radio-controlled racing, what I am specializing in this year plus try find Wikipedians who specialise on such topic and I assure you there's none) </p><p>These are my reason for these websites </p> <ol><li>I cannot afford magazines <ol><li>No point on buying magazines considering the sole purpose is to use as source in Wikipedia especially in hobbies I no longer pursue.</li></ol></li> <li>I do not have the space already for an already clutter house</li> <li>old magazines are hard to get</li></ol> <p>So what choices are there for Wikipedians, especially I am dealing with a nightmare topic, no wonder why some topics struggle to attract Wikipedians. Therefore, this leaves us with a bias on the usual sports, videogames, movies, feminism and so on. Frankly, I either have no choice or to retire for good like I almost did in December/January. </p><p>Other than that, I have now castrated the links to make it look like if it was sourced from magazines, not from copyvio scanned magazines as I thought about removing them once it pass DYK. <a href="/wiki/User:Donnie_Park" title="User:Donnie Park">Donnie Park</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Donnie_Park" title="User talk:Donnie Park">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Donnie_Park-2016-03-12T03:39:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Donnie_Park-2016-03-12T03:39:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Donnie_Park-2016-03-12T03:39:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span>Why should we never link to them? Can you give us a link to the actual policy? It seems to run counter to our mission. It is not a copyright violation, and it is not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">WP:COPYVIO</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7">Hawkeye7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Found it: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ELNEVER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ELNEVER">WP:ELNEVER</a>. Fram is overstating the case though. It applies only <i>if there is reason to believe that a website has a copy of a work in violation of its copyright</i> <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7">Hawkeye7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T06:01:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z"></span>Fram has provided plenty of reasons to believe they are violating copyright though... The policy is clear and very firm on this. However, I do not think there's anything wrong in using these sites as sources to <i>write</i> the article. Contributors just shouldn't provide the URL. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T06:01:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T06:01:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T06:01:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:17:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, you have just given me a new oppose reason if you would try to run for RfA again. Really? Your statements are hard to believe, but you seem to be serious. "It is not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">WP:COPYVIO</a>"? Perhaps read e.g. the lead of that page until the end next time before commenting. Last line, a paragraph on its own: "Copyright infringing material should also not be linked to." (which is a link to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ELNEVER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ELNEVER">WP:ELNEVER</a>, which you found in your second attempt at least). But you then state that I overstate my case, because... well, it's not clear why you believe that. Perhaps you could have discussed some of the sources I mentioned, and indicated which ones you didn't believe were carrying copyvios? Which sites do you believe have permission to reprint full articles (text + illustrations) from auto or motorsport magazines? Perhaps you should reread and learn <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights" title="Wikipedia:Copyrights">Wikipedia:Copyrights</a>, a "policy with legal considerations (i.e. the most important kind of policies we have), which has a <i>full section</i> "Linking to copyrighted works", starting "However, if you know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." and going on in the same vein.</dd> <dd>So, if possible, just try to explain how I am overstating my case and which sources you don't consider to be problematic, or shut up and learn about our copyright policies, which all admins, former admins, and admin wannabes (and preferably all people trying to review or promote DYKs) should know much better than you seem to do. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:17:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:17:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:17:00.000Z-Hawkeye7-2016-03-12T05:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:22:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Donnie_Park" title="User:Donnie Park">Donnie Park</a>:</span>: sources don't have to be available online, you are free to give a source without an URL. We have no way to know where you found and read that source, if you didn't get the original (buying, or from a library) but got it from some illegal copy, that's <i>your</i> business alone. The only thing you are not allowed to do is linking to websites which are probably copyright violators (like the ones you used here). You can still write the exact same article, only without giving the problematic URLs. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:22:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:22:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2016-03-12T15:22:00.000Z-Copyvio_sources"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z"><span id="Template:Did_you_know_nominations.2FOperation_Thao_La"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Thao La">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Thao La</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span>Is it not customary to allow a nominator to write an alternate hook if the original is deemed unsatisfactory? If the nomination is arbitrarily closed in haste, has not the DYK process been short circuited? I invite inspection of the above as the example that sparks these questions.<a href="/wiki/User:Georgejdorner" title="User:Georgejdorner">Georgejdorner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgejdorner" title="User talk:Georgejdorner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:50:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span>And one additional question? Doesn't a nominator have the right to withdraw a nomination? As I have attempted to do with the above.<a href="/wiki/User:Georgejdorner" title="User:Georgejdorner">Georgejdorner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgejdorner" title="User talk:Georgejdorner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z"></span>What is your alternative hook? One of the purposes of DYK is to highlight <i>newly</i> created articles, so this is why things can be promoted quickly. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T05:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z"></span>At this point, the hook's in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/3" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/3">Queue 3</a>, so nothing can be done without an admin's assistance. Note that once a nomination has been closed (promoted or rejected), as the instructions say on the closed template, any subsequent requests needs to made here, not on said template. In answer to your question, if yours had been the only hook, then when it was deemed unacceptable, a new hook would have been looked for, whether from you or someone else. As there was already an ALT hook suggested, the reviewer could look to that one, with no requirement that you be asked to supply another one. In fact, you did supply one, though it was just a reposting of the original hook found wanting by the first reviewer, and then by the second. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T06:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z"></span>JollyJanner:</b> I returned to the nomination after a two day break, and it had gone from having my hook approved to being promoted with a third party hook. When did I have an opportunity to supply an ALT1 hook? And why ask for my ALT1 hook now, after the fact?</dd> <dd><b>BlueMoonset:</b> Your re-explaining what we both know happened does nothing toward answering my above questions. In your haste to promote a bland hook, you could just as easily promoted an inaccurate one. If allowed, I could have supplied an ALT1 hook. And I repeat, I wish my nomination withdrawn. Running a boring DYK hook does not do WP any good.<a href="/wiki/User:Georgejdorner" title="User:Georgejdorner">Georgejdorner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgejdorner" title="User talk:Georgejdorner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-11T07:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z"></span>Problems with the hook were first raised over two weeks ago. I took that to mean you wouldn't propose another hook and I presume others did too. As for the speed, it doesn't matter how long it takes. We had someone propose it, another review it and finally Montana promote it. As for the original hook, we had someone propose it, another review it, but it stalled on the final step, as it had entered the backlog without anyone promoting it. Indeed, I had intended to promote the nomination, but found the hook not interesting enough. I'm asking for your alternative now, because we can still do last minute changes if needed or if there is something seriously wrong with current hook being used, we can withdraw it. It would be a lot easier if you told us your alternative, as we only have a couple of days. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z-Georgejdorner-2016-03-11T16:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Georgejdorner" title="User:Georgejdorner"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z"></span>Georgejdorner</a>, I'm not entirely sure why you think I'm the one who was in haste to promote the hook you dislike; it seems you don't know what happened after all, since I was not involved. (I'm not an admin, so I can't withdraw the hook myself as I can't edit queues.) Perhaps next time, when a reviewer tells you that a hook is not acceptable, you will propose an alternative hook then and there rather than persist with the unacceptable one. Paging <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> or <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a>: if you're willing, can you please remove this hook from <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/3" title="Template:Did you know/Queue/3">Queue 3</a>, since Georgejdorner is so set on having it withdrawn, and reclose the nominating template accordingly. You could replace it with another of his nominations, Campaign 74B, currently in <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_6" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6">Prep 6</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-11T19:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z"></span>Can we please not withdraw the hook? I find it interesting and I'm sure the numerous editors in the nomination subpage agree. George's opinion should not be used to override consensus. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z-BlueMoonset-2016-03-12T06:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z"></span>I've noticed that some people can get really attached to their nominations on DYK. While it's all fine and dandy to be invested in the process, I would like to remind people there is still a policy called <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">WP:OWN</a>. Actually going as far as to remove an approved hook from the queue because the original nominator is determined to get his own un-approved hook onto DYK seems to be exactly the sort of thing that this policy was designed to protect against.<b><span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span><a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock"><span style="color:#880000;"><i>AMBER</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amberrock" title="User talk:Amberrock"><span style="color:#FF6600;"><sup>(ЯʘCK)</sup></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-12T07:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-12T16:00:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z"></span>I began this discussion with a rhetorical question meant to remind other editors that customarily the nominator of a DYK is allowed to supply ALT1s when the ALT0 hook is rejected—a system that has served WP well. I end it falsely accused of subverting the DYK system via ownership.</dd> <dd>I have created over 1,400 articles in WP. The only ones on my watchlist are the DYK noms and a few redirects. I am not tracking articles beyond the DYK process. Where's the ownership in that?</dd> <dd>I plumped for a better ALT1 and am now accused of trying to force my ALT0 on the community by withdrawing the nomination. However, I have not pushed for adoption of ALT0. And I have self-edited my work in the past by withdrawing weak or faulty nominations. I will request withdrawal again in case of any future poor nominations I may make, if corrections are warranted. I am dedicated to producing the best articles/nominations I can. If that involves improving WP by quashing the nomination of an article I created, so be it.</dd> <dd>I hope that I have made my points clearly. Now, to make it starkly evident that <a href="/wiki/Operation_Thao_La" title="Operation Thao La">Operation Thao La</a> belongs to the WP community, and not to me, I am severing all connection with the nomination and article as of this moment.<a href="/wiki/User:Georgejdorner" title="User:Georgejdorner">Georgejdorner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgejdorner" title="User talk:Georgejdorner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-12T16:00:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-12T16:00:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgejdorner-2016-03-12T16:00:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span> As the person who promoted the article, I have to say the original hook was "in-universe" jargon and made no sense at all. (And, FWIW, I'm a boomer and studied this era quite extensively at one point in my life, so it's not like I am unfamiliar with the topic). The hook I promoted was more intriguing and in my view invited the reader to click the link. We have to sometimes step back from our own work and our own words. <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 13 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:26:00.000Z-Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Thao_La"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z"></span>Old nominations needing DYK reviewers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"></span>The previous list only has five unreviewed nominations, so even though it's only five days old, I'm posting a new list of the 37 oldest nominations that need reviewing, which includes hooks through March 1. As of the most recent update, 72 nominations have been approved, leaving 164 of 236 nominations still needing approval. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the five from the first half of February that are left over from the previous list. </p> <ul><li><s>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sintax_the_Terrific" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific">Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific</a></s></li> <li><s>February 2: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Karl_%C4%8Cermak" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak">Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak</a> (two articles)</s></li> <li>February 8: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Gui_Minhai" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Gui Minhai">Template:Did you know nominations/Gui Minhai</a></li> <li><s>February 10: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Phou_Khao_Kham" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Phou Khao Kham">Template:Did you know nominations/Phou Khao Kham</a></s></li> <li>February 12: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Peter_Williams_(dance_critic)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Peter Williams (dance critic)">Template:Did you know nominations/Peter Williams (dance critic)</a></li> <li><s>February 15: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Phalat" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phalat">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phalat</a></s></li> <li>February 17: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/%C3%89der_Monteiro_Fernandes" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Éder Monteiro Fernandes">Template:Did you know nominations/Éder Monteiro Fernandes</a></li> <li><s>February 19: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Margareta_Hallin" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Margareta Hallin">Template:Did you know nominations/Margareta Hallin</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kau_Ilhamku" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Kau Ilhamku">Template:Did you know nominations/Kau Ilhamku</a></s></li> <li><s>February 21: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Euroleon_nostras" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Euroleon nostras">Template:Did you know nominations/Euroleon nostras</a></s></li> <li><s>February 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_New_Day_(newspaper)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The New Day (newspaper)">Template:Did you know nominations/The New Day (newspaper)</a></s></li> <li><s>February 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sev_Statik;_Altered_State;_Speak_Life" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sev Statik; Altered State; Speak Life">Template:Did you know nominations/Sev Statik; Altered State; Speak Life</a> (3 articles)</s></li> <li><s>February 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Edmund_Nathanael" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Edmund Nathanael">Template:Did you know nominations/Edmund Nathanael</a></s></li> <li><s>February 22: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Strength" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Strength">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Strength</a></s></li> <li><s>February 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Huntsham_Court" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Huntsham Court">Template:Did you know nominations/Huntsham Court</a></s></li> <li>February 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Umaswati" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Umaswati">Template:Did you know nominations/Umaswati</a></li> <li><s>February 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cord%C3%B3n_del_Azufre" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cordón del Azufre">Template:Did you know nominations/Cordón del Azufre</a></s></li> <li><s>February 23: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Eleni_Glouftsis" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Eleni Glouftsis">Template:Did you know nominations/Eleni Glouftsis</a></s></li> <li>February 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Croatian_Apoxyomenos" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Croatian Apoxyomenos">Template:Did you know nominations/Croatian Apoxyomenos</a></li> <li><s>February 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Slow_Burn_(album)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Slow Burn (album)">Template:Did you know nominations/Slow Burn (album)</a></s></li> <li>February 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wave_1" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Wave 1">Template:Did you know nominations/Wave 1</a></li> <li>February 24: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Bernie_Sanders%27_Dank_Meme_Stash" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash">Template:Did you know nominations/Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash</a></li> <li><s>February 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Bai_Jinian" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Bai Jinian">Template:Did you know nominations/Bai Jinian</a></s></li> <li><s>February 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ill_Harmonics" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ill Harmonics">Template:Did you know nominations/Ill Harmonics</a></s></li> <li><s>February 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Zamilon_virophage" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Zamilon virophage">Template:Did you know nominations/Zamilon virophage</a></s></li> <li><s>February 25: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Aquaveo" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Aquaveo">Template:Did you know nominations/Aquaveo</a></s></li> <li><s>February 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Back_to_Dust" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Back to Dust">Template:Did you know nominations/Back to Dust</a></s></li> <li><s>February 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Coropuna" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Coropuna">Template:Did you know nominations/Coropuna</a></s></li> <li>February 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mandala-brahmana_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mandala-brahmana Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Mandala-brahmana Upanishad</a></li> <li>February 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Drishyam" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Drishyam">Template:Did you know nominations/Drishyam</a></li> <li><s>February 26: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Organized_Horse_Fighting" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Organized Horse Fighting">Template:Did you know nominations/Organized Horse Fighting</a></s></li> <li><s>February 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Louis_Stark" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Louis Stark">Template:Did you know nominations/Louis Stark</a></s></li> <li>February 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Trishikhibrahmana_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Trishikhibrahmana Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Trishikhibrahmana Upanishad</a></li> <li>February 27: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Strength_II" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Strength II">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Strength II</a></li> <li>February 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Colonel_Johnson" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Colonel Johnson">Template:Did you know nominations/Colonel Johnson</a></li> <li>February 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mahavakya_Upanishad" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Mahavakya Upanishad">Template:Did you know nominations/Mahavakya Upanishad</a></li> <li>February 28: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Sinsay" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Sinsay">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Sinsay</a></li> <li><s>February 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Philippe_Pierlot" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Philippe Pierlot">Template:Did you know nominations/Philippe Pierlot</a></s></li> <li><s>February 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Forever_Now_(The_Psychedelic_Furs_album)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Forever Now (The Psychedelic Furs album)">Template:Did you know nominations/Forever Now (The Psychedelic Furs album)</a></s></li> <li>February 29: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Eve_Russell" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Eve Russell">Template:Did you know nominations/Eve Russell</a></li> <li><s>March 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ella_Fitzgerald_and_Louis_Armstrong_collaborations" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong collaborations">Template:Did you know nominations/Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong collaborations</a></s></li> <li>March 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Aizoanthemum_hispanicum" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Aizoanthemum hispanicum">Template:Did you know nominations/Aizoanthemum hispanicum</a></li> <li><s>March 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Operation_Fa_Ngum" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Fa Ngum">Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Fa Ngum</a></s></li> <li><s>March 1: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Iris_timofejewii" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Iris timofejewii">Template:Did you know nominations/Iris timofejewii</a></s></li></ul> <p>Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:BlueMoonset" title="User:BlueMoonset">BlueMoonset</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlueMoonset" title="User talk:BlueMoonset">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlueMoonset-2016-03-14T04:35:00.000Z-Old_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anniversary_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anniversary_request-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anniversary_request-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z"></span>Anniversary request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anniversary_request-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z-Anniversary_request"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a>:</span> and <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Yoninah" title="User:Yoninah">Yoninah</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Finis_Alonzo_Crutchfield,_Jr." title="Template:Did you know nominations/Finis Alonzo Crutchfield, Jr.">Finis Alonzo Crutchfield, Jr.</a> was requested to be shown on 17 March, which aligns with <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_4" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 4">Prep 4</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_5" title="Template:Did you know/Preparation area 5">Prep 5</a>. P5 would be ideal, as it is a US hook. Thanks. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z-Anniversary_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z-Anniversary_request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z-Anniversary_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-14T09:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z"></span>Added to Prep 5. <a href="/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth" title="User:Cwmhiraeth">Cwmhiraeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwmhiraeth" title="User talk:Cwmhiraeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-14T09:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-14T09:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwmhiraeth-2016-03-14T09:17:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-14T07:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_nomination" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_nomination-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_nomination-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z"></span>DYK nomination<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_nomination-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z-DYK_nomination"></span>Hi, </p><p>I'd like to suggest <a href="/wiki/Chip_Fairway" title="Chip Fairway">Chip Fairway</a> as a DYK article. I was told at the help desk to make the request here. </p><p>Possible hooks: </p> <ol><li>Did you know that Chip Fairway left the sporting world so that he could spend more time with his family?</li> <li>Did you know that Chip Fairway retired to become the local barber in his home town?</li></ol> <p>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.74.201.153" title="Special:Contributions/72.74.201.153">72.74.201.153</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:72.74.201.153" title="User talk:72.74.201.153">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z-DYK_nomination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z-DYK_nomination"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z-DYK_nomination"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jakec-2016-03-14T16:53:00.000Z-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>, please keep an eye on <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Chip_Fairway" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Chip Fairway">the nomination</a> in case any problems should arise. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>) </b> <small><small>aka Jakec</small></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jakec-2016-03-14T16:53:00.000Z-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jakec-2016-03-14T16:53:00.000Z-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jakec-2016-03-14T16:53:00.000Z-72.74.201.153-2016-03-14T16:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="February_2_nominations" data-mw-thread-id="h-February_2_nominations-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-February_2_nominations-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"></span>February 2 nominations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-February_2_nominations-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-February_2_nominations"></span>Hi. If there are any reviewers who can afford to invest a little time, might I suggest looking at the two oldest ones on the list, dating back to <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created/expanded_on_February_2" title="Template talk:Did you know">February 2</a>. Both of them - <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sintax_the_Terrific" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Sintax the Terrific">Sintax the Terrific</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Karl_%C4%8Cermak" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Čermak">Karl Čermak</a> - need a second opinion, and have been waiting for one for nearly two weeks. So if anyone has some time to spare... I'm sure it'd be appreciated. <b><span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span><a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock"><span style="color:#880000;"><i>AMBER</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amberrock" title="User talk:Amberrock"><span style="color:#FF6600;"><sup>(ЯʘCK)</sup></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-February_2_nominations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-February_2_nominations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T20:59:00.000Z-February_2_nominations"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lady_Gaga" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lady_Gaga-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lady_Gaga-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Lady Gaga<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lady_Gaga-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga"></span>I have nominated three Lady Gaga articles at the DYK and I expect all of them to appear on 28 March on her 30th birthday--<s><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Teeth_(song)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Teeth (song)">Teeth (song)</a></s>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Til_It_Happens_to_You" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Til It Happens to You">Til It Happens to You</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/List_of_Lady_Gaga_live_performances" title="Template:Did you know nominations/List of Lady Gaga live performances">List of Lady Gaga live performances</a>. Can someone move the nominations to the "Special occasion holding area" section once all of them are reviewed? -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:FrB.TG" title="User:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#00308F;cursor:help">Frankie</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrB.TG" title="User talk:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#6E7F80;">talk</span></a></sub></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Is <i>three</i> Lady Gaga hooks on her birthday perhaps not a bit of an overkill? I'd be fine with a Lady Gaga hook on 28 March, but three might be a bit.. too much.<b><span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span><a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock"><span style="color:#880000;"><i>AMBER</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amberrock" title="User talk:Amberrock"><span style="color:#FF6600;"><sup>(ЯʘCK)</sup></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-11T21:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z"></span>I don't see how that is an overkill. On Frank Sinatra's 100th birthday, 16 hooks appeared on the DYK section. -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:FrB.TG" title="User:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#00308F;cursor:help">Frankie</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrB.TG" title="User talk:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#6E7F80;">talk</span></a></sub></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T11:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span>I think comparing Frank Sinatra to Lady Gaga is a stretch too far. One or two hooks over two sets would be fine for Gaga. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z"></span>It will be no big deal if three out of sixteen hooks are related to Lady Gaga. The DYK lists some random facts anyway so what if on one day three hooks are related to one person? Anyway, I am not gonna fight for it. You are an admin so suit yourself. -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:FrB.TG" title="User:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#00308F;cursor:help">Frankie</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrB.TG" title="User talk:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#6E7F80;">talk</span></a></sub></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2016-03-12T11:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z"></span>A maximum of two hooks per queue, in the two DYK queues of March 28 - I can live with that. <b><span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span><a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock"><span style="color:#880000;"><i>AMBER</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amberrock" title="User talk:Amberrock"><span style="color:#FF6600;"><sup>(ЯʘCK)</sup></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z"></span>Alright, if that's what it is. I have struck one of them. -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:FrB.TG" title="User:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#00308F;cursor:help">Frankie</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrB.TG" title="User talk:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#6E7F80;">talk</span></a></sub></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z-Amberrock-2016-03-12T12:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Frankie" title="User:Frankie">Frankie</a>:</span> there are two hooks per queue and two queues per day, so that's four in total. All of these are fine to be displayed. Also, remember that our guideline on trying to vary a selection of hooks can get hazey when there are anniversaries. As a result it becomes somewhat subjective. I would prefer to have all the three hooks on the same queue and during the PM (most visible in the US and probably Europe). Either way, it's still quite a while yet and I'm sure editors will raise the issue once the prep sets are being constructed. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jolly_Janner" title="User:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Jolly</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jolly_Janner" title="Special:Contributions/Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#2A5FFF;">Ω</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jolly_Janner" title="User talk:Jolly Janner"><span style="color:#00824A;">Janner</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-12T12:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:20:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z"></span>I say one hook per queue beginning UTC of her birthday (which is the evening prior in the USA) running for three sets. Keeps her name in lights all day, but no overkill. <a href="/wiki/User:Montanabw" title="User:Montanabw"><span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw" title="User talk:Montanabw"><sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:20:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:20:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Montanabw-2016-03-13T20:20:00.000Z-Jolly_Janner-2016-03-13T08:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga"></span> Thank you, Jolly Janner and Montanabtw. I am completely agree with the latter. What do you say <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock">Amberrock</a>:</span>? -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:FrB.TG" title="User:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#00308F;cursor:help">Frankie</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrB.TG" title="User talk:FrB.TG"><span style="color:#6E7F80;">talk</span></a></sub></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z-Lady_Gaga"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T21:16:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z"></span>I concur with Montanabw's plan. Moderation is the key word here. <b><span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span><a href="/wiki/User:Amberrock" title="User:Amberrock"><span style="color:#880000;"><i>AMBER</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amberrock" title="User talk:Amberrock"><span style="color:#FF6600;"><sup>(ЯʘCK)</sup></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_121#c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T21:16:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T21:16:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amberrock-2016-03-14T21:16:00.000Z-FrB.TG-2016-03-14T21:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prep_3_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prep_3_2-2016-03-15T08:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prep_3_2-2016-03-15T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Prep 3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prep_3_2-2016-03-15T08:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yoninah-2016-03-15T08:44:00.000Z-Prep_3_2"></span>This prep has only one bio (the lead image). 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