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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ARM&redirect=no">WP:ARM</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ARBM&redirect=no">WP:ARBM</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <p>This page can be used by arbitrators to propose motions not related to any existing case or request. Motions are archived at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Motions" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Motions">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Motions</a>. </p><p>Only arbitrators may propose or vote on motions on this page. You may visit <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARC">WP:ARC</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCA">WP:ARCA</a> for potential alternatives. </p><p><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&action=edit&section=new&preload=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions/preload&nosummary=yes&editintro=Editnotices/Group/Wikipedia:Arbitration"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive">Make a motion (Arbitrators only)</span></a></span> </p> You can make comments in the sections called "community discussion" or in some cases only in your own section. Arbitrators or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks">clerks</a> may summarily remove or refactor any comment.</td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arbitrator_workflow_motions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-Motions-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-Motions-20241201182800"></span>Arbitrator workflow motions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-Motions-20241201182800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span>Workflow motions: Arbitrator discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201182800-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion"></span>I am proposing these three motions for discussion, community input, and a vote. Each seeks to improve ArbCom's functioning by providing for the performance of basic administrative responsibilities that sometimes go neglected, which, in my opinion, if successful, would significantly improve ArbCom's overall capacity. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <b>Motivation:</b> We've known about the need for improvements to our workflow and capacity for some years now – I wrote about some of these suggestions in my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2022/Candidates#L235" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022/Candidates">2022 ACE statement</a>. It's a regular occurrence that someone will email in with a request or information and, because of the press of other work and because nobody is responsible for tracking and following up on the thread, we will let the thread drop without even realizing it and without deciding that no action is needed. We can each probably name a number of times this has happened, but one recent public example of adverse consequences from such a blunder was highlighted in the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1258331988#Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area" title="Special:PermanentLink/1258331988"><i>Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area</i> case request</a>, which was partially caused by our failure to address a private request that had been submitted to us months earlier. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <b>Previous efforts:</b> We've experimented with a number of <i>technological</i> solutions to this problem during my four years on the Committee, including: (a) tracking matters on a Trello board or on a private Phabricator space; (b) tracking threads in Google Groups with tags; (c) requesting the development of custom technical tools; (d) <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_14#Arbitration_motion_regarding_the_scope_of_appeals_considered_by_the_Arbitration_Committee" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard/Archive 14">reducing the appeals we hear</a>; and (e) tracking appeals more carefully on arbwiki. Some of these attempts have been moderately successful, or showed promise for a time before stalling, but none of them have fully and fundamentally addressed this dropping-balls issue, which has persisted, and which in my opinion requires a human solution rather than just a technological solution. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <b>Rationale:</b> The work we need done as framed below (e.g. bumping email threads) isn't fundamentally difficult or sensitive, but it's essential, and it's structurally hard for an active arbitrator to be responsible for doing it. For example, I could never bring myself to bump/nag others to opine on matters that I hadn't done my best to resolve yet myself. But actually doing the research to substantively opine on an old thread (especially as the first arb) can take <i>hours</i> of work, and I'm more likely to forget about it before I have the time to resolve it, and then it'll get lost in the shuffle. So it's best to somewhat decouple the tracking/clerical function from the substantive arb-ing work. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> <b>Other efforts:</b> There is one more technological solution for which there was interest among arbitrators, which was to get a CRM/ticketing system – basically, VRTS but hopefully better. I think this could help and would layer well with any of the other options, but there are some open questions (e.g., which one to get, how to pay for it, whether we can get all arbs to adopt it), and I don't think that that alone would address this problem (see similar attempts discussed above), so I think we should move ahead with one of these three motions now and adopt a ticketing system with whichever of the other motions we end up going with. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> These three motions are the result of substantial internal workshopping, and have been variously discussed (as relevant) with the functionaries, the clerks, and the Wikimedia Foundation (on a call in November). Before that, we held an ideation session on workflow improvements with the Foundation in July and have had informal discussions for a number of years. I deeply appreciate the effort and input that has gone into these motions from the entire committee and from the clerks and functionaries, and hope we can now pass one of them. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201182800-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201182800-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201182800-Workflow_motions:_Arbitrator_discussion"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span>Motion 1: Correspondence clerks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/P" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/P">Arbitration Committee's procedures</a> are amended by adding the following section: </p> <blockquote> <dl><dt>Correspondence clerks</dt></dl> <p>The Arbitration Committee may appoint, from among the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FUNK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FUNK">English Wikipedia functionary corps</a> (and preferably from among former members of the Arbitration Committee), one or more users to be correspondence clerks for the Arbitration Committee. Correspondence clerks must meet the Wikimedia Foundation's <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy" class="extiw" title="foundation:Policy:Access to nonpublic personal data policy">criteria for access to non-public personal data</a> and sign the Foundation's non-public information <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Confidentiality_agreement_for_nonpublic_information" class="extiw" title="foundation:Legal:Confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information">confidentiality agreement</a>. </p><p>Correspondence clerks shall be responsible for assisting the Committee in the routine administration and organization of its mailing list and non-public work in a similar manner as the existing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/C">arbitration clerks</a> assist in the administration of the Committee's on-wiki work. </p><p>The specific responsibilities of correspondence clerks shall include: </p> <ul><li>Acknowledging the receipt of correspondence and assigning tracking identifiers to pending requests and other matters;</li> <li>Tracking the status of pending matters and providing regular updates and reminders on the status of the Committee's off-wiki work to arbitrators;</li> <li>Reminding members of the Committee to vote or otherwise take action in pending matters;</li> <li>Organizing related correspondence into case files; and</li> <li>Providing similar routine administrative and clerical assistance to the Arbitration Committee.</li></ul> <p>The remit of correspondence clerks shall <i>not</i> include: </p> <ul><li>Participating in the substantive consideration or decision of any matters before the Committee; or</li> <li>Taking non-routine actions requiring the exercise of arbitrator discretion.</li></ul> <p>To that end, upon the first appointment of correspondence clerks, the current <i>arbcom-en</i> mailing list shall be renamed to <i>arbcom-en-internal</i>, which shall continue to be accessible only by arbitrators, and a new <i>arbcom-en</i> email list shall be established. The subscribers to the new <i>arbcom-en</i> list shall be the arbitrators and correspondence clerks. </p><p>The Committee shall establish a process to allow editors to, in unusual circumstances following a showing of good cause, directly email a mailing list accessible only by arbitrators and not by correspondence clerks. </p><p>All correspondence clerks shall hold concurrent appointments as arbitration clerks and shall be subject to the same requirements concerning conduct and recusal as the arbitration clerk team. </p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <p><span style="font-style:italic;">For this motion there are 11 active arbitrators. With 0 arbitrators abstaining, 6 support or oppose votes are a majority.</span> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;display: none;"> <caption><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Calculating_the_majority" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures">Majority</a> reference </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Abstentions </th> <th>Support votes needed for majority </th></tr> <tr> <td>0–1 </td> <td>6 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2–3 </td> <td>5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4–5 </td> <td>4 </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Support:</b> </p> <ol><li>This is my first choice and falls within ArbCom's community-granted authority to <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">approve and remove access to [...] mailing lists maintained by the Arbitration Committee</q><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> and to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">designate individuals for particular tasks or roles</q> and <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">maintain a panel of clerks to assist with the smooth running of its functions</q>.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Currently, we have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/C">arbitration clerks</a> to help with on-wiki work, but most of ArbCom's workload is private (on <i>arbcom-en</i>), and our clerks have no ability to help with that because they can't access any of ArbCom's non-public work. It has always seemed strange to me to have clerks for on-wiki work, but not for the bulk of the work which is off-wiki (and which has always needed more coordination help). <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> When consulting the functionaries, I was pleasantly surprised to learn that four functionaries (including three former arbitrators) expressed interest in volunteering for this role. This would be lower-intensity than serving as an arbitrator, but still essential to the functioning of the committee. We already have a number of ex-arbs on the clerks-l mailing list to advise and assist, and this seems like a natural extension of that function. The Stewards have a <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_clerks" class="extiw" title="m:Steward clerks">somewhat similar "Steward clerk" role</a>, although ArbCom correspondence clerks would be a higher-trust position (functionary-level appointments only). <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> I see this as the strongest option because the structure is familiar (analogous to our existing clerks, but for off-wiki business), because we have trusted functionaries and former arbs interested who could well discharge these responsibilities, and because I think we would benefit from separating the administrative responsibility from the substantive responsibility. The cons I see are that volunteer correspondence clerks might be less reliable than paid staff and that we'd be adding one or two (ish) people to the arbcom-en list. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks"></span></li></ol> <p><b>Oppose:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <p><b>Abstain:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks-20241201182800"></span>Motion 1: Arbitrator views and discussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_1:_Correspondence_clerks-20241201182800"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span>I'd be glad changing this to only appoint former arbs, if that would tip anyone's votes. Currently, it's written as "from among the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FUNK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FUNK">English Wikipedia functionary corps</a> (and preferably from among former members of the Arbitration Committee)" for flexibility if needed, but I imagine we would only really appoint former arbs if available, except under unusual circumstances, because they understand how the mailing list discussions go and have previously been elected to handle the same private info. I am also open to calling it something other than "correspondence clerk"; that just seemed like a descriptive title. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_1:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span></li></ul> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Scope_and_responsibilities" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy § Scope and responsibilities</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Procedures_and_roles" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy § Procedures and roles</a></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span>Motion 2: WMF staff support<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>The Arbitration Committee requests that the Wikimedia Foundation Committee Support Team provide staff support for the routine administration and organization of the Committee's mailing list and non-public work. </p><p>The selected staff assistants shall be responsible for assisting the Committee in the routine administration and organization of its mailing list and non-public work in a similar manner as the existing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/C">arbitration clerks</a> assist in the administration of the Committee's on-wiki work. Staff assistants shall perform their functions under the direction of the Arbitration Committee and shall not represent the Wikimedia Foundation in the course of their support work with the Arbitration Committee or disclose the Committee's internal deliberations except as directed by the Committee. </p><p>The specific responsibilities of the staff assistants shall include, as directed by the Committee: </p> <ul><li>Acknowledging the receipt of correspondence and assigning tracking identifiers to pending requests and other matters;</li> <li>Tracking the status of pending matters and providing regular updates and reminders on the status of the Committee's off-wiki work to arbitrators;</li> <li>Reminding members of the Committee to vote or otherwise take action in pending matters;</li> <li>Organizing related correspondence into case files; and</li> <li>Providing similar routine administrative and clerical assistance to the Arbitration Committee.</li></ul> <p>The remit of staff assistants shall <i>not</i> include: </p> <ul><li>Participating in the substantive consideration or decision of any matters before the Committee; or</li> <li>Taking non-routine actions requiring the exercise of arbitrator discretion.</li></ul> <p>To that end, upon the selection of staff assistants, the current <i>arbcom-en</i> mailing list shall be renamed to <i>arbcom-en-internal</i>, which shall continue to be accessible only by arbitrators, and a new <i>arbcom-en</i> email list shall be established. The subscribers to the new <i>arbcom-en</i> list shall be the arbitrators and staff assistants. </p><p>The Committee shall establish a process to allow editors to, in unusual circumstances following a showing of good cause, directly email a mailing list accessible only by arbitrators and not by staff assistants. </p><p>Staff assistants shall be subject to the same requirements concerning conduct and recusal as the arbitration clerk team. </p> </div> </div> <p><span style="font-style:italic;">For this motion there are 11 active arbitrators. With 0 arbitrators abstaining, 6 support or oppose votes are a majority.</span> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;display: none;"> <caption><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Calculating_the_majority" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures">Majority</a> reference </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Abstentions </th> <th>Support votes needed for majority </th></tr> <tr> <td>0–1 </td> <td>6 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2–3 </td> <td>5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4–5 </td> <td>4 </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Support:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <p><b>Oppose:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <p><b>Abstain:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support-20241201182800"></span>Motion 2: Arbitrator views and discussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_2:_WMF_staff_support-20241201182800"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span>I am quite open to this idea. A professional staff member assisting the committee might be the most reliable and consistent way to achieve this goal. ArbCom doesn't need the higher-intensity support that the WMF Committee Support Team provides other committees like AffCom and the grant committees, but having somebody to track threads and bump stalled discussions would be quite helpful. I'm going to wait to see if there's any community input on this motion before voting on it, though. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_2:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span>Motion 3: Coordinating arbitrators<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182800"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20241201185300-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/P" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/P">Arbitration Committee's procedures</a> are amended by adding the following section: </p> <blockquote> <dl><dt>Coordinating arbitrators</dt></dl> <p>The Arbitration Committee shall, from time to time, designate one or more arbitrators to serve as the Committee's coordinating arbitrators. </p><p>Coordinating arbitrators shall be responsible for assisting the Committee in the routine administration and organization of its mailing list and non-public work in a similar manner as the existing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/C">arbitration clerks</a> assist in the administration of the Committee's on-wiki work. </p><p>The specific responsibilities of coordinating arbitrators shall include: </p> <ul><li>Acknowledging the receipt of correspondence and assigning tracking identifiers to pending requests and other matters;</li> <li>Tracking the status of pending matters and providing regular updates and reminders on the status of the Committee's off-wiki work to arbitrators;</li> <li>Reminding members of the Committee to vote or otherwise take action in pending matters;</li> <li>Organizing related correspondence into case files; and</li> <li>Performing similar routine administrative and clerical functions.</li></ul> <p>A coordinating arbitrator may, but is not required to, state an intention to abstain on some or all matters before the Committee without being listed as an "inactive" arbitrator. </p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <p><span style="font-style:italic;">For this motion there are 11 active arbitrators. With 0 arbitrators abstaining, 6 support or oppose votes are a majority.</span> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;display: none;"> <caption><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Calculating_the_majority" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures">Majority</a> reference </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Abstentions </th> <th>Support votes needed for majority </th></tr> <tr> <td>0–1 </td> <td>6 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2–3 </td> <td>5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4–5 </td> <td>4 </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Support:</b> </p> <ol><li>This is currently my first-choice option; we have unofficially in the past had arbitrators take on specific roles (e.g. tracking unblock requests, responding to emails, etc) and it seemed to work fairly well. Having those rules be more "official" seems like the best way to make sure <i>someone</i> is responsible for these things, without needing to expand the committee or the pool of people with access to private information. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Primefac-20241201185300-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20241201185300-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20241201185300-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators"></span></li></ol> <p><b>Oppose:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <p><b>Abstain:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators-20241201182800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators-20241201182800"></span>Motion 3: Arbitrator views and discussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators-20241201182800"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span>I am also open to this idea, though I am worried that it will be insufficient and haven't made up my mind on my vote yet. This idea was floated by a former arbitrator from back when the committee <i>did</i> have a coordinating arbitrator, though that role kind of quietly faded away. The benefits of this approach include that there's no need to bring anyone else onto the list. This motion also allows (but does not require) arbs to take a step back from active arb business to focus on the coordination role, which could help with the bifurcation I mention above. Cons include that this could be the least reliable option; that it's possible no arb is interested, or has the capacity to do this well; and that it's hard to be both a coordinator on <i>top</i> of the existing difficult role of serving as an active arb. I personally think this is better than nothing, but probably prefer one of the other two motions to actually add some capacity. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Other ideas that have been floated include establishing a subcommittee of arbitrators responsible for these functions. My same concerns would apply there, but if there's interest, I'm glad to draft and propose a motion to do that; any other arb should also feel free to propose such a motion of their own. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201182800-Motion_3:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201190000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201190000"></span>Motion 4: Grants for correspondence clerks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201190000"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>In the event that "Motion 1: Correspondence clerks" passes, the Arbitration Committee shall request that the Wikimedia Foundation provide grants payable to correspondence clerks in recognition of their assistance to the Committee. </p> </div> </div> <p><span style="font-style:italic;">For this motion there are 11 active arbitrators. With 0 arbitrators abstaining, 6 support or oppose votes are a majority.</span> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;display: none;"> <caption><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Calculating_the_majority" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures">Majority</a> reference </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Abstentions </th> <th>Support votes needed for majority </th></tr> <tr> <td>0–1 </td> <td>6 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2–3 </td> <td>5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4–5 </td> <td>4 </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Support:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <p><b>Oppose:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <p><b>Abstain:</b> </p> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks-20241201190000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks-20241201190000"></span>Motion 4: Arbitrator views and discussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions-Motion_4:_Grants_for_correspondence_clerks-20241201190000"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201190000-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span>Proposing for discussion; thanks to <a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">voorts</a> for the idea. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201190000-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201190000-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201190000-Motion_4:_Arbitrator_views_and_discussions"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Community_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Community_discussion-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Community_discussion-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182900"></span>Community discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Community_discussion-Arbitrator_workflow_motions-20241201182900"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20241201182900-Community_discussion"></span>Will correspondence clerks be required to sign an NDA? Currently clerks aren't. Regardless of what decision is made this should probably be in the motion. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Pppery-20241201182900-Community_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20241201182900-Community_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20241201182900-Community_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201183100-Pppery-20241201182900"></span>Good catch. I thought it was implied by "from among the English Wikipedia functionary corps" – who all sign NDAs as a condition to access functionaries-en and the CUOS tools; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Functionaries" title="Wikipedia:Functionaries">Wikipedia:Functionaries</a> (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Functionary access [...] requires that the user sign the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Access_to_nonpublic_information" title="Wikipedia:Access to nonpublic information">confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information</a>.</q>) – but I've made it explicit now. <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201183100-Pppery-20241201182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201183100-Pppery-20241201182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201183100-Pppery-20241201182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20241201183700-L235-20241201183100"></span>You're right that that was there, but I missed it on my first readthrough of the rules (thinking correspondence clerks would be appointed from the clerk team instead). <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Pppery-20241201183700-L235-20241201183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20241201183700-L235-20241201183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20241201183700-L235-20241201183100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-20241201183400-Community_discussion"></span>Why does "coordinating arbitrators" need a (public) procedures change? <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Izno-20241201183400-Community_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-20241201183400-Community_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-20241201183400-Community_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201190800-Izno-20241201183400"></span>As <a href="#c-Primefac-20241201185300-Motion_3:_Coordinating_arbitrators">Primefac mentioned above</a>, it seems reasonable to assume that having something written down "officially" might help make sure that the coordinating arbitrator knows what they are responsible for. In any event, it probably can't hurt. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201190800-Izno-20241201183400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201190800-Izno-20241201183400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201190800-Izno-20241201183400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-20241201191300-L235-20241201190800"></span>It is a pain in the ass to get formal procedures changed. There is an internal procedures page: I see 0 reason not to use it if you want to clarify what the role of this arbitrator is. <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Izno-20241201191300-L235-20241201190800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-20241201191300-L235-20241201190800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-20241201191300-L235-20241201190800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-20241201192100-L235-20241201190800"></span>On top of that, this doesn't actually change the status quo much if at all. It is almost entirely a role definition for an internal matter, given "we can make an arb a CA, but we don't have to have one" in it's "from time to time" clause. This just looks like noise to anyone reading ARBPRO who isn't on ArbCom: the public doesn't need to know this arb even exists, though they might commonly be the one responding to emails so they might get a sense there is such an arb. <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Izno-20241201192100-L235-20241201190800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-20241201192100-L235-20241201190800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-20241201192100-L235-20241201190800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Voorts-20241201183500-Community_discussion"></span>While I appreciate that some functionaries are open to volunteering for this role, this <s>borders on</s> <ins>is</ins> a part-time secretarial job and ought to be compensated as such. The correspondence clerks option combined with WMF throwing some grant money towards compensation would be my ideal. <a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">voorts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voorts" title="User talk:Voorts">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Voorts" title="Special:Contributions/Voorts">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Voorts-20241201183500-Community_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voorts-20241201183500-Community_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voorts-20241201183500-Community_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201190800-Voorts-20241201183500"></span>Thanks for this suggestion – I've added motion 4 to address this suggestion. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201190800-Voorts-20241201183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201190800-Voorts-20241201183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201190800-Voorts-20241201183500"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20241201184900-Community_discussion"></span>In the first motion the word "users" in "The Committee shall establish a process to allow users to, in unusual circumstances" is confusing, it should probably be "editors". In the first and second motions, it should probably be explicit whether correspondence clerks/support staff are required, permitted or prohibited to: </p> <ul><li>Share statistical information publicly</li> <li>Share status information (publicly or privately) with correspondents who wish to know the status of their request.</li> <li>Share status information (publicly or privately) about the status of a specific request with someone other than the correspondent. <dl><dd>For this I'm thinking of scenarios like where e.g. an editor publicly says they emailed the Committee about something a while ago, and one or more other editors asks what is happening with it.</dd></dl></li></ul> <p>I think my preference would be for 1 or 2, as these seem likely to be the more reliable. Neither option precludes there also being a coordinating arbitrator doing some of the tasks as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Thryduulf-20241201184900-Community_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20241201184900-Community_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20241201184900-Community_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-20241201190800-Thryduulf-20241201184900"></span>Thanks for these suggestions. I've changed "users" to "editors". The way I'm intending these motions to be read, correspondence clerks or staff assistants should only disclose information as directed by the committee. I think the details of which information should be shared upon whose request in routine cases could be decided later by the committee, with the default being "ask ArbCom before disclosing until the committee decides to approve routine disclosures in certain cases", because it's probably hard to know in advance which categories will be important to allow. I'm open to including more detail if you think that's important to include at this stage, though, and I'd welcome hearing why if so. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-L235-20241201190800-Thryduulf-20241201184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-20241201190800-Thryduulf-20241201184900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-20241201190800-Thryduulf-20241201184900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20241201193000-L235-20241201190800"></span>I see your point, but I think it worth clarifying certain things in advance <i>before</i> they become an issue to avoid unrealistic or mistaken expectations of the c-clerks by the community. Point 1 doesn't need to be specified in advance, maybe something like "communicating information publicly as directed by the Committee" would be useful to say in terms of expectation management or maybe it's still to specific? I can see both sides of that.</dd> <dd>Point 2 I think is worth establishing quickly and while it is on people's minds. Waiting for the committee to make up its mind before knowing whether they can give a full response to a correspondent about this would be unfair to both the correspondent and clerk I think. This doesn't necessarily have to be before adoption, but if not it needs to be very soon afterwards.</dd> <dd>Point 3 is similar, but c-clerks and community members knowing exactly what can and cannot be shared, and especially being able to point to something in writing about what cannot be said publicly, has the potential to reduce drama e.g. if there is another situation similar to Billed Mammal's recent case request. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Thryduulf-20241201193000-L235-20241201190800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20241201193000-L235-20241201190800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20241201193000-L235-20241201190800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Risker-20241201200500-Community_discussion"></span>What justification is there for the WMF to spend a single additional dollar on the workload of a project-specific committee whose workload is now demonstrably smaller than at any time in its history? (Noting here that there is a real dollar-cost to the support already being given by WMF, such as the monthly Arbcom/T&S calls that often result in the WMF accepting requests for certain activities.) And anyone who is being paid by the WMF is responsible to the WMF as the employer, not to English Wikipedia Arbcom. </p><p>I think Arbcom is perhaps not telling the community some very basic facts that are leading to their efforts to find someone to take responsibility for its organization, which might include "we have too many members who aren't pulling their weight" or "we have too many members who, for various reasons that don't have to do with Wikipedia, are inactive", or "we have some tasks that nobody really wants to do". There's no indication that any of these solutions would solve these kinds of problems, and I think that all of these issues are factors that are clearly visible to those who follow Arbcom on even an occasional basis. Arbitrators who are inactive for their own reasons aren't going to become more active because someone's organizing their mail. Arbitrators who don't care enough to vote on certain things aren't any more likely to vote if someone is reminding them to vote in a non-public forum; there's no additional peer pressure or public guilt-tripping. And if Arbcom continues to have tasks that nobody really wants to do, divest those tasks. Arbcom has successfully done that with a large number of tasks that were once its responsibility. </p><p>I think you can do a much better job of making your case. <a href="/wiki/User:Risker" title="User:Risker">Risker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Risker" title="User talk:Risker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Risker-20241201200500-Community_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Risker-20241201200500-Community_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Risker-20241201200500-Community_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241201202600-Risker-20241201200500"></span>I think there is a need to do <i>something</i> as poor communication and extremely slow replies, if replies are made at all, has been an ongoing issue for the committee for some time. However I agree that asking the foundation to pay someone to do it is going too far. The point that if you are paid by the foundation, you work for them and not en.wp or arbcom is a compelling one. There's also a <a href="/wiki/Slippery_slope" title="Slippery slope">slippery slope</a> argument to be made in that if we're paying these people, shouldn't we pay the committee? If we're paying the committee, shouldn't we pay the arbitration clerks....and so on. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241201202600-Risker-20241201200500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241201202600-Risker-20241201200500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241201202600-Risker-20241201200500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanamonde93-20241201215500-Risker-20241201200500"></span>I fully share Risker's concern about a paid WMF staffer who, no matter how well-intentioned, will be answerable to the WMF and not ARBCOM. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanamonde93" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions#c-Vanamonde93-20241201215500-Risker-20241201200500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanamonde93-20241201215500-Risker-20241201200500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanamonde93-20241201215500-Risker-20241201200500"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20241201214400-Community_discussion"></span>I think the timing for this is wrong. The committee is about to have between 7 and 9 new members (depending on whether Guerillero, Eek, and Primefac get re-elected). In addition it seems likely that some number of former arbs are about to rejoin the committee. This committee - basically the committee with the worst amount of active membership of any 15 member committee ever - seems like precisely the wrong one to be making large changes to ongoing workflows in December. Izno's idea of an easier to try and easier to change/abandon internal procedure for the coordinating arb feels like something appropriate to try now. The rest feel like it should be the prerogative of the new committee to decide among (or perhaps do a different change altogether). 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