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The result of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_30#Template:Non-Aligned_Movement" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 30">discussion</a></b> was "<b>no consensus</b>".</td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z"></span>Comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z-Comments"></span>This box is way, way too large, especially since many of the countries on it already have many other boxes on them. Is there some way that we could possibly shrink the box down? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 14 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-14T20:54:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Well, NO! NAM is huge organization. Maybe of you break it up but it is just .............. <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 15 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-15T16:25:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z"></span>I think it may be too big an organization for a box. You'll note that the United Nations also does not have a series box. I think that, when the box gets this big, it is better to have a sentence or two in the article linking to <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_NAM_nations&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of NAM nations (page does not exist)">List of NAM nations</a> than this. Series boxes already get a lot of criticism for being too big - this really just goes over the line. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-15T16:25:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 15 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-15T16:25:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-15T16:25:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-15T14:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Agree with Snowspinner's comments. This is not a terribly significant organization, and it's a giant box to stick on 100 or so pages (it almost certainly drives up download time, for one). I was going to note my fear of a "UN members" box, but I see I've been beaten to that, too. -- <a href="/wiki/User:VeryVerily" title="User:VeryVerily">V</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VeryVerily" title="User talk:VeryVerily">V</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 15 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-16T18:30:00.000Z-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z"></span>I've blanked the box for the time being, so as not to continue having this hulking thing on all of the pages. I'm not going to go change the articles, so that the "What links here" list can easily be used if someone wants to mention membership in NAM on the actual article list. I would do it, but my knowledge of NAM is limited enough that I'd rather leave it for someone who knows more about it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-16T18:30:00.000Z-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 16 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-16T18:30:00.000Z-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-16T18:30:00.000Z-VeryVerily-2004-05-15T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:00:00.000Z-Comments"></span>I have already indicated that I am not knowledgeable enough about NAM to be the person to edit it into the articles. Furthermore, I'm not even convinced that NAM is important enough to be mentioned in every article - the UN is certainly more important, and it's no tmentioned in every artilcle for a country that's in the UN. I do not care whether NAM is mentioned in articles or not. I do care whether this massive box appears in articles or not. So I'm going to deal with the box, and if you're concerned about NAM being in the articles, you can deal with the articles. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:00:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 17 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:00:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:00:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-20T14:02:00.000Z-Comments"></span>While it is smaller, it is also now hard to read, and no more useful or relevent. I think the box is fundamentally flawed. </p><p>i can read it and it is not more useful but it is still a lot useful <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-20T14:02:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 20 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-20T14:02:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-20T14:02:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z-Comments"></span>The final decision in the following VfD discussion was to keep the page.</b> </p><p>We don't need a box for every treaty/loose organization/international body that a given country is a member of, and this box is simply too large. With no real way of shrinking it down (Short of petitioning NAM to kick some countries out, which I don't think would go well), box should be deleted - NAM can always be mentioned in the text of the articles, and it would probably take up less space too. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 17 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T21:20:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span>Note that these boxes are already looking like their days are number due to the discussion on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T21:20:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 17 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T21:20:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T21:20:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span>KEEP. it is not that large. it gets loaded in a second. And it is good table showing how bog is some organization. UN table would not make any sense because almost every country is UN member. <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 17 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z"></span>It's not just about loading, but about scrolling. Furthermore, the box is useless. The size of the organization is not relevant at individual country articles - only at the main organization article.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jiang" title="User:Jiang">Jia</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiang" title="User talk:Jiang"><b>ng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-17T19:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T20:02:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span>KEEP, This is a useful text box, and <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_is_not_paper">Wiki is not paper</a>. Space is irrelevant. If the reader of the article wishes to ignore it, a box around it makes it very easy. <a href="/wiki/User:Burgundavia" title="User:Burgundavia">Burgundavia</a> 19:36, May 17, 2004 (UTC) <ul><li>The size of this box seems to clearly go against the policies that people have been discussing on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Article_series_boxes_policy_(proposed)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Article series boxes policy (proposed)">Wikipedia talk:Article series boxes policy (proposed)</a>. The issue is not one of space - it's one of visual appearance, and of the problems that occur when articles have a multitude of boxes - they start to drown each other out, destroying the purpose of having a box at all. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T20:02:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 17 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T20:02:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T20:02:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MykReeve-2004-05-17T23:55:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span>space is relevant. pages need time to load. If a page contains too much content, people will have difficulting scrolling with precision. Care to explain how this box is useful? It's just pretty, but irrelevant and useless. All we need to do is to state that the country is part of NAM and link to NAM where a list of members will reside. There's no need to be posting the same list on the articles of the member countries.</li></ul></li> <li>This is just too large to be useful. Delete, and pray that MediaWiki 1.3 arrives with its category support soon. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Cyrius" title="User:Cyrius">Cyrius</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyrius" title="User talk:Cyrius">&#9998</a> 21:14, May 17, 2004 (UTC)</li> <li>Delete. Ridiculously large, and really adds nothing useful to a nation's article beyond that the nation is a member of NAM. It seems unlikely that a visitor to e.g. <a href="/wiki/Cyprus" title="Cyprus">Cyprus</a> is interested in what the other members of the <a href="/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement" title="Non-Aligned Movement">Non-Aligned Movement</a> are. - <a href="/wiki/User:MykReeve" title="User:MykReeve">MykReeve</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-MykReeve-2004-05-17T23:55:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 17 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MykReeve-2004-05-17T23:55:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MykReeve-2004-05-17T23:55:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span>Keep. Useful content, a ton of sites link it, and it's not that big anyway. --<a href="/wiki/User:Starx" title="User:Starx">Starx</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T03:53:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z"></span>I do not think the fact that the advocates for this box have put it on a bunch of boxes is in any way an endorsement of its quality. NAM may be significant, but its importance is not proportional to the size of its box (And I think you would be hard pressed to find a bigger box on Wikipedia). Also, most of the links to <a href="/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement" title="Non-Aligned Movement">Non-Aligned Movement</a> are from "Foreign relation of" articles - not from the country articles this box is designed to link. In fact, virtually no country articles actually link to the NAM page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T03:53:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T03:53:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T03:53:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:17:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z"></span>Again, the content is irrelevant. I don't buy how it's useful. Having "a ton of sites link it" link to it is also not a legitimate reason to remove it in the long run. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jiang" title="User:Jiang">Jia</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiang" title="User talk:Jiang"><b>ng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:17:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:17:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:17:00.000Z-Starx-2004-05-18T03:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span>Abstain</s>. [edit:<b>Delete</b> this once the list at <a href="/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement" title="Non-Aligned Movement">Non-Aligned Movement</a> is replaced w/ html code] This deletion debate is irrelevant. Whether to keep the box lies in community consensus at wikiproject countries and current opinion is to remove most non-geographical footers.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jiang" title="User:Jiang">Jia</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiang" title="User talk:Jiang"><b>ng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z-Snowspinner-2004-05-17T19:05:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z"></span>first thing you will read on [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_is_not_paper">[1]</a>] is that there are no <b>No size limits</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T04:16:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T10:20:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z"></span>That applies to content, not technical size. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_size" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Page size">There are size limits</a>. But it's not just about size, but usefulness. There's no convincing argument that this box is of any relevance to the articles it is posted on. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jiang" title="User:Jiang">Jia</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiang" title="User talk:Jiang"><b>ng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Jiang-2004-05-18T10:20:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:20, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T10:20:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T10:20:00.000Z-Avala-2004-05-18T09:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z-Comments"></span>DON`T DELETE IT</b> here is why: Let this box stay on <a href="/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement" title="Non-Aligned Movement">Non-Aligned Movement</a> page only. I made the new one for country articles: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:NAMm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:NAMm (page does not exist)">Template:NAMm</a> -- Avala </p> <ul><li>if it's only going to be at one page, then there's no point in making a mediawiki msg. Just insert the html in the article itself. See <a href="/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:NAMm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="MediaWiki talk:NAMm (page does not exist)">MediaWiki talk:NAMm</a> for discussion on that particular footer. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jiang" title="User:Jiang">Jia</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jiang" title="User talk:Jiang"><b>ng</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T14:08:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z"></span>The new box helps nothing. It contains a single link. There is no reason to produce a box for a single link. (It puts disproportionate emphasis on the link, and thus encourages every link to be put into a separate box, which would just be a disaster.) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snowspinner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snowspinner (page does not exist)">Snowspinner</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T14:08:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 18 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T14:08:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snowspinner-2004-05-18T14:08:00.000Z-Jiang-2004-05-18T11:48:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-22T18:00:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Delete. Pointless.--<a href="/wiki/User:Eloquence" title="User:Eloquence">Eloquence</a><a href="/wiki/User:Eloquence/CP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Eloquence/CP">*</a> 05:03, May 19, 2004 (UTC)</li> <li>Delete. I find it completely useless. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ivan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ivan (page does not exist)">Ivan</a> 16:06, May 19, 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <ul><li><b>And this table of Texas is not too big????????</b></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Texas" title="Template:Texas">Template:Texas</a> </p> <ul><li><ul><li>I have removed the {{msg:Texas}} that was posted by <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> (and was left unsigned). This page gets included on the main VfD, and posting large boxes on it is inconsiderate of the effects on that page. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikipedia_to_illustrate_a_point" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point">Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Cyrius" title="User:Cyrius">Cyrius</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyrius" title="User talk:Cyrius">&#9998</a> 16:35, May 22, 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul> <p>This was not an answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-22T18:00:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 22 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-22T18:00:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-22T18:00:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-22T21:43:00.000Z-Comments"></span>It wasn't meant to be. It was meant to clean up your (minor) disruption of Votes for Deletion and convince you to not do it again. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Cyrius" title="User:Cyrius">Cyrius</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyrius" title="User talk:Cyrius">&#9998</a> 18:14, May 22, 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>so you don`t have an answer? texas box can be big as mountain and to include biggest cities blah blah blah but NAM has to be deleted. nice very nice--<a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-22T21:43:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 22 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-22T21:43:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-22T21:43:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avala-2004-05-23T13:52:00.000Z-Comments"></span>The Texas box is not at issue here. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Cyrius" title="User:Cyrius">Cyrius</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyrius" title="User talk:Cyrius">&#9998</a> 22:34, May 22, 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>i am just making an comparison and you can not tell me where is the difference. there is no difference. i think we should post texas box too if we posted nam. <a href="/wiki/User:Avala" title="User:Avala">Avala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Avala-2004-05-23T13:52:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 23 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avala-2004-05-23T13:52:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avala-2004-05-23T13:52:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Members"_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Members"_section-20231210055500"><span id=".22Members.22_section"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Members"_section-20231210055500"></span>"Members" section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Members"_section-20231210055500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: "Members" section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vipz-20231210055500-"Members"_section"></span>Hey @<a href="/wiki/User:MirkoS18" title="User:MirkoS18">MirkoS18</a>, I feel like the Members section of the navbox as it is set up right now implies that NAM contains only these 8 member states. I've thought about renaming the section title to "<a href="/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement#Members,_observers_and_guests" title="Non-Aligned Movement">Members</a> and the NAM" (implying the topic of the eight entries currently present) or adding another entry at the end of the list such as "(<a href="/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement#Members,_observers_and_guests" title="Non-Aligned Movement">other member states</a>)". –<a href="/wiki/User:Vipz" title="User:Vipz">Vipz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vipz" title="User talk:Vipz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Vipz-20231210055500-"Members"_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vipz-20231210055500-"Members"_section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vipz-20231210055500-"Members"_section"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MirkoS18-20231210090000-Vipz-20231210055500"></span>You are right, and in fact even out of the eight mentioned one is a former state (Yugoslavia) and two are not members anymore (Cyprus and Malta). I would say it's a negative side effect of my personal interest in certain aspects of the topic (Cold War period primarily) as well as the fact that for now there are no other editors working as much in the same area of bilateral NAM topics. Adding the list at the end of the line is therefore certainly a good idea.--<a href="/wiki/User:MirkoS18" title="User:MirkoS18">MirkoS18</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MirkoS18" title="User talk:MirkoS18">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-MirkoS18-20231210090000-Vipz-20231210055500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MirkoS18-20231210090000-Vipz-20231210055500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MirkoS18-20231210090000-Vipz-20231210055500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vipz-20231210091400-MirkoS18-20231210090000"></span>Alright, I made a change to the navbox that hopefully improves clarity. –<a href="/wiki/User:Vipz" title="User:Vipz">Vipz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vipz" title="User talk:Vipz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Non-Aligned_Movement#c-Vipz-20231210091400-MirkoS18-20231210090000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vipz-20231210091400-MirkoS18-20231210090000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vipz-20231210091400-MirkoS18-20231210090000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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