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id="mw-diff-otitle3"> <span class="comment comment--without-parentheses"><span class="autocomment"><a href="#Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)">→<bdi dir="ltr">Request update of Module:Pagetype/setindex (18 February 2024)</bdi></a>: </span> Decline</span></div><div id="mw-diff-otitle5"></div><div id="mw-diff-otitle4"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pagetype&diff=prev&oldid=1208721013" title="Template talk:Pagetype" id="differences-prevlink">← Previous edit</a></div></td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-ntitle diff-side-added"><div id="mw-diff-ntitle1"><strong><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pagetype&oldid=1208722894" title="Template talk:Pagetype">Revision as of 17:12, 18 February 2024</a> <span class="mw-diff-edit"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pagetype&action=edit&oldid=1208722894" title="Template talk:Pagetype">edit</a></span><span class="mw-diff-timestamp" data-timestamp="2024-02-18T17:12:20Z"></span> <span 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It allows adding a reason in the summary.">undo</a></span></strong></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle2"><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" class="mw-userlink" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius" data-mw-revid="1208722894"><bdi>Mr. Stradivarius</bdi></a> <span class="mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" class="mw-usertoollinks-talk" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr._Stradivarius" class="mw-usertoollinks-contribs" title="Special:Contributions/Mr. Stradivarius">contribs</a>)</span><div class="mw-diff-usermetadata"><div class="mw-diff-userroles"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter_manager" title="Wikipedia:Edit filter manager">Edit filter managers</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">Administrators</a></div><div class="mw-diff-usereditcount"><span>59,190</span> edits</div></div></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle3"> <span class="comment comment--without-parentheses"><span class="autocomment"><a href="#Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)">→<bdi dir="ltr">Request update of Module:Pagetype/setindex (18 February 2024)</bdi></a>: </span> reply</span></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle5"></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle4"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pagetype&diff=next&oldid=1208722894" title="Template talk:Pagetype" id="differences-nextlink">Next edit →</a></div></td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 279:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 279:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>:: {{ping|Mr. Stradivarius}} This added [[Template:Infobox family name/doc]] to the list of templates, which is clearly wrong. It was previously a redirect with content, which may have cause confusion, and I've now replaced it with a bare redirect. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 16:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>:: {{ping|Mr. Stradivarius}} This added [[Template:Infobox family name/doc]] to the list of templates, which is clearly wrong. It was previously a redirect with content, which may have cause confusion, and I've now replaced it with a bare redirect. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 16:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>:: It also added [[Template:family name]], a redirect to [[Template:infobox name]], which is used on pages like [[Smith (surname)]] that are clearly not set indices. Those seem to be the only two additions, neither of which is useful IMO, so {{not done}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 17:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>:: It also added [[Template:family name]], a redirect to [[Template:infobox name]], which is used on pages like [[Smith (surname)]] that are clearly not set indices. Those seem to be the only two additions, neither of which is useful IMO, so {{not done}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 17:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::: {{ping|Pppery}} Thanks for looking into this. I'll think of the best way to address this tomorrow. Could you also check if [[Module:Pagetype/softredirect/sandbox]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Pagetype/softredirect/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1208716631 diff]) looks OK? There was a Pywikibot issue preventing me from saving the edit request for that page, but the module sandbox itself was saved successfully. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 17:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> </table><hr class='diff-hr' id='mw-oldid' /> <h2 class='diff-currentversion-title'>Revision as of 17:12, 18 February 2024</h2> <div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237879475">.mw-parser-output .tmbox{margin:4px 0;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid #c0c090;background-color:#f8eaba;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .tmbox.mbox-small{font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{border:2px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-delete{border:2px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-content{border:2px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-style{border:2px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .tmbox-move{border:2px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .tmbox .mbox-invalid-type{text-align:center}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .tmbox{margin:4px 10%}.mw-parser-output .tmbox.mbox-small{clear:right;float:right;margin:4px 0 4px 1em;width:238px}}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox{background-color:#2e2505}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.tmbox img{max-width:none!important}</style><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Fairytale_key_enter.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png/40px-Fairytale_key_enter.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png/60px-Fairytale_key_enter.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png 2x" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">To help <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Centralized_talk_pages" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">centralize</a> discussions and keep related topics together, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Pagetype&redirect=no">Module talk:Pagetype</a></span> redirects here.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-protection" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Full-protection-shackle.svg/45px-Full-protection-shackle.svg.png" decoding="async" width="45" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Full-protection-shackle.svg/68px-Full-protection-shackle.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Full-protection-shackle.svg/90px-Full-protection-shackle.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype" title="Template:Pagetype">Template:Pagetype</a> is <b>permanently <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy" title="Wikipedia:Protection policy">protected</a> from editing</b> because it is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:High-risk_templates" title="Wikipedia:High-risk templates">heavily used or highly visible template</a>. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>, editors may use {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_protected" title="Template:Edit protected">edit protected</a>}} to notify an administrator to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype/doc" title="Template:Pagetype/doc">documentation</a></b> to add usage notes or <a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">categories</a>. <p>Any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype/sandbox" title="Template:Pagetype/sandbox">sandbox</a></b>. Functionality of the template can be checked using <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype/testcases" title="Template:Pagetype/testcases">test cases</a></b>. </p> <div style="padding:0.5em"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1127644699">.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox .commentboxInput,.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox br{display:none}</style> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="commentbox" class="commentbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/w/index.php" method="get" id="request_edit_inputbox"><input type="hidden" value="edit" name="action"/><input type="hidden" value="Template:Request edit button/preload" name="preload"/><input type="hidden" value="Edit fully-protected" name="preloadparams[]"/><div class="cdx-text-input"><input type="hidden" name="preloadtitle" class="mw-inputbox-input commentboxInput cdx-text-input__input" value="Edit request {{subst:#time:j F Y}}" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="new" name="section"/><input type="hidden" value="Template talk:Pagetype" name="title"/><br/><input type="submit" name="create" value="Request edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive cdx-button--weight-primary"/></form></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice copiednotice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Splitsection.svg/50px-Splitsection.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Splitsection.svg/75px-Splitsection.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Splitsection.svg/100px-Splitsection.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="20"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">Text and/or other creative content from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APagetype&oldid=616197024">this version</a> of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APagetype&redirect=no">Template:Pagetype</a></span> was copied or moved into <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wp/nod/pagetype" class="extiw" title="incubator:Template:Wp/nod/pagetype">incubator:Template:Wp/nod/pagetype</a> with <a class="external text" href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wp/nod/pagetype?diff=4242185&oldid=prev">this edit</a>. The former page's <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APagetype&action=history">history</a> now serves to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">provide attribution</a> for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.</td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Books" data-mw-thread-id="h-Books-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Books-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z"></span>Books<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Books-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z-Books"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}}</code> This should be updated to account for |class=book. <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">ταλκ</a></sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">κοντριβς</a></sub> – <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">WP Physics</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z-Books" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z-Books"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z-Books"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z"></span>I'm not exactly sure what the behavior should be. Somewhat important when changing a template that is used 2.7 million times. —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-11T06:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MZMcBride-2009-12-11T18:44:00.000Z-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z"></span>I don't think "books" is a proper classification here. Either way, these changes need to be made in a sandbox like <a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype/sandbox" title="Template:Pagetype/sandbox">Template:pagetype/sandbox</a> to avoid breaking things. --<a href="/wiki/User:MZMcBride" title="User:MZMcBride">MZMcBride</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MZMcBride" title="User talk:MZMcBride">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MZMcBride-2009-12-11T18:44:00.000Z-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MZMcBride-2009-12-11T18:44:00.000Z-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MZMcBride-2009-12-11T18:44:00.000Z-TheDJ-2009-12-11T12:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Needed-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Needed-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z"></span>Needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Needed-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z-Needed"></span>Should <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=needed</code> be produce "page" or "article"? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z-Needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z-Needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z-Needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z"></span>I thought we didn't support Needed-Class anymore. <a href="/wiki/User:Happy-melon" title="User:Happy-melon"><span style="color:forestgreen"><b>Happy</b></span></a>‑<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Happy-melon" title="User talk:Happy-melon"><span style="color:darkorange"><b>melon</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T07:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z"></span>But what about all the subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Needed-Class_articles" title="Category:Needed-Class articles">Category:Needed-Class articles</a>? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T15:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z"></span>And the subcategories of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Current-Class_articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Current-Class articles (page does not exist)">Current-Class articles</a>, or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Merge-Class_articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Merge-Class articles (page does not exist)">Merge-Class articles</a>, or any of the other custom classes?? Those classes which we said should be available for projects to use if they wish, but for which we should not bloat banner code for all projects. There are 74 Needed-Class categories, 63 of which are empty. I don't agree that we should make any move to better integrate these niche classes when that disadvantages 1,600 projects for the sake of less than a dozen. <a href="/wiki/User:Happy-melon" title="User:Happy-melon"><span style="color:forestgreen"><b>Happy</b></span></a>‑<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Happy-melon" title="User talk:Happy-melon"><span style="color:darkorange"><b>melon</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-04-29T16:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-04-30T10:32:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Fair enough. I hadn't noticed that so many of them were empty. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2010-04-30T10:32:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-04-30T10:32:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-04-30T10:32:00.000Z-Happy-melon-2010-04-29T21:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="talkspace=yes" data-mw-thread-id="h-talkspace=yes-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z"><span id="talkspace.3Dyes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-talkspace=yes-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span>talkspace=yes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-talkspace=yes-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z-talkspace=yes"></span>I think a talkspace=yes, similar to subjectspace=yes, would be useful to have as an optional parameter for this template. It should, if on a talk page, return "talk page" and otherwise return the default value. This would be useful for templates like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Last_edited_by" title="Template:Last edited by">Last edited by</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to be more accurate or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:In_use" title="Template:In use">In use</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> so we can get rid of the switch function there. --<a href="/wiki/User:The_Evil_IP_address" title="User:The Evil IP address">The Evil IP address</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Evil_IP_address" title="User talk:The Evil IP address">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z-talkspace=yes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z-talkspace=yes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z-talkspace=yes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Sorry I can't understand what you mean. Can you describe the behaviour of the template with this new parameter? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z"></span>Currently, on a talk page, this template shows the subject namespace, for example on an article talk page, it shows "article", on a template talk page it shows "template", and so on. However, there are situations in which it would be good to return "talk page" instead, for example within <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Last_edited_by" title="Template:Last edited by">Last edited by</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I'd like to add this template to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Db-meta" title="Template:Db-meta">Db-meta</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in the next time (which already uses a similar hardcoded function of this template), but since db templates are also used on talk pages, showing "article" or "template" wouldn't make sense there. --<a href="/wiki/User:The_Evil_IP_address" title="User:The Evil IP address">The Evil IP address</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Evil_IP_address" title="User talk:The Evil IP address">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-06T18:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z"></span>Ah now I understand. I would be open to such an addition if it can be coded cleanly without affecting the performance for the majority of uses (as this is a very widely used template!) Question: could you not just use <b>{{NAMESPACE}} page</b> in your case? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z-The_Evil_IP_address-2010-06-09T13:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prodego-2011-01-12T23:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z"></span>Fixed by using <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Pp-meta/pagetype&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Pp-meta/pagetype (page does not exist)">Template:pp-meta/pagetype</a> instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Prodego" title="User:Prodego"><span style="color:darkgreen;"><i>Prodego</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prodego" title="User talk:Prodego"><sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Prodego-2011-01-12T23:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prodego-2011-01-12T23:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prodego-2011-01-12T23:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-06-09T15:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Misleading_documentation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misleading_documentation-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misleading_documentation-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z"></span>Misleading documentation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misleading_documentation-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z-Misleading_documentation"></span>According to the documentation there's a parameter "subjectspace - If set to yes then subjectspace pages will be treated the same as talkspace pages." </p><p>Without subjectspace: {{pagetype|page=Category:X1}} and {{pagetype|page=Category talk:X1}} produce "category" and "category". </p><p>With subjectspace: {{pagetype|page=Category:X1|subjectspace=yes}} and {{pagetype|page=Category talk:X1|subjectspace=yes}} produce "category" and "category". </p><p>There's an unnamed parameter, "class", but that's "optional" and the documentation suggests that it shouldn't affect the result in this case. Is the intention to require page name (which includes namespace) and namespace specified as separate parameters? <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_James" title="User:Peter James">Peter James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_James" title="User talk:Peter James">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z-Misleading_documentation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z-Misleading_documentation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z-Misleading_documentation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z"></span>I've updated the docs to match what the template does. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T00:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z"></span>It's still misleading. "This template is used to identify what kind of page it or its subject page is." - but when used with a page name, it returns "Article" for a template and "Template" for a template talk page. Is there something similar to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Pp-meta/pagetype&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Pp-meta/pagetype (page does not exist)">Template:Pp-meta/pagetype</a> (mentioned above) but allowing a parameter for page name? <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_James" title="User:Peter James">Peter James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_James" title="User talk:Peter James">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T00:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z"></span>This template was designed for use by WikiProject banners so it was mainly just tested on talk pages and currently doesn't do very well with non-talk pages. I'll have alook at doing something better in the sandbox soon. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T08:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z"></span>I found it in use in <a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_protected" title="Template:Edit protected">Template:Edit protected</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_semi-protected" title="Template:Edit semi-protected">Template:Edit semi-protected</a>, where parameter is needed because of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext&diff=564379718&oldid=560600426">a change</a> to <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext" title="MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext">MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext</a>. I've had to use TALKPAGENAME in those templates, which isn't ideal but produces the correct result (except in the unlikely event of a request for an edit to a redirected talk page). It may produce incorrect results if this template is changed, although it only affects the message and not the template's function. If improving or replacing this template, it may also be possible to use <a href="/wiki/Module:Redirect" title="Module:Redirect">Module:Redirect</a> to determine whether a page is a redirect, although it currently fails where "#REDIRECT:" (instead of just "#REDIRECT" is used. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_James" title="User:Peter James">Peter James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_James" title="User talk:Peter James">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T08:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z"></span>Right, I've made some changes in the sandbox and now {{pagetype/sandbox|page=Category:X1}} and {{pagetype/sandbox|page=Category talk:X1}} produce "category" and "category". I've also removed the subjectspace option from the sandbox since it's not needed with the changes that I've made. Can you give it a test yourself & if you are happy, we can make it live. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T10:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z"></span>It's an improvement for pages not in talk or article space, and does what the "output" section of the documentation says, with the exception of "portal" or "project" class in subjectspace - is that needed? <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_James" title="User:Peter James">Peter James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_James" title="User talk:Peter James">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T13:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T16:07:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z"></span>I think that's fine. I've updated the template and the docs. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T16:07:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T16:07:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2013-09-22T16:07:00.000Z-Peter_James-2013-09-22T15:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Module:Pagetype" data-mw-thread-id="h-Module:Pagetype-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Module:Pagetype-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z"></span>Module:Pagetype<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Module:Pagetype-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z-Module:Pagetype"></span>I've created a Lua implementation of this template at <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype" title="Module:Pagetype">Module:Pagetype</a>. It's much more customisable than this template, and can be used to create other pagetype-like templates with different namespace configurations and custom text values. Have a look at the module documentation for details. The default settings are almost the same as this template, with one important difference - redirects are now detected and displayed as "redirect", no matter what namespace they are in. If this is undesirable I can change it, but it won't be easy to change the redirect detection on a per-namespace basis, due to the way the module hooks into <a href="/wiki/Module:Namespace_detect" title="Module:Namespace detect">Module:Namespace detect</a>. Please have a look at the module, test it a bit, and see if there are any bugs, or anything you would like to change. You might also want to take a look at the <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module:Pagetype/testcases">test cases</a> (<a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module talk:Pagetype/testcases">results</a>). If everything is ok, I plan to update <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype" title="Template:Pagetype">pagetype</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> with this module some time this week. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z-Module:Pagetype" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z-Module:Pagetype"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z-Module:Pagetype"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z"></span>Great! I notice that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Db-meta" title="Template:Db-meta">db-meta</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> uses the following construction several times:</dd></dl> <pre>{{talk other|talk page|{{pagetype|subjectspace=yes}}}}</pre> <dl><dd>Does your version make this simpler to do? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-04T14:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Seems as though <code>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|talk=y}}</code> would work here as a shorter replacement. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-11-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that's right - you could also use <code>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|defaultns=all}}</code>, depending on how many namespaces you want to include by default. I also wasn't aware of the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|subjectspace=</code> parameter until now, as it was removed with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pagetype&diff=574059272&oldid=541587542">this edit</a>, so adding <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|subjectspace=yes</code> to the module won't have any effect. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 7 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2013-11-07T12:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-09T07:50:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z"></span>Ok, I've made the switch to the new module. Let me know if you spot any issues. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-09T07:50:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-09T07:50:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-09T07:50:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2013-11-07T14:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Misleading_message_about_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misleading_message_about_redirect-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misleading_message_about_redirect-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z"></span>Misleading message about redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misleading_message_about_redirect-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer unresolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved from <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Edit_protected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Edit protected">Template talk:Edit protected</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Jackmcbarn" title="User:Jackmcbarn">Jackmcbarn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jackmcbarn" title="User talk:Jackmcbarn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect"></span>If you put <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_protected" title="Template:Edit protected">Edit protected</a>|MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log}}</code> on <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist" title="MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist">MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist</a>, the box begins with "It is requested that an edit be made to the fully protected redirect at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log.". Why "redirect", when <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist/log" title="MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log">MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log</a> isn't? See <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist&oldid=602617506#Full_log">this permalink</a></span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 3 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z-Misleading_message_about_redirect"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> The issue is that when p._main{page='MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log'} is called, checkRedirects instead checks to see if MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist/log is a redirect (lines 208-211). I'm not sure what the logic behind doing that that way is. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Jackmcbarn" title="User:Jackmcbarn">Jackmcbarn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jackmcbarn" title="User talk:Jackmcbarn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-03T18:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z"></span>Yep, that's a bug in the module. It should use the current page rather than the subject page if talk pages are allowed, but at the moment it only checks args.talk, not args.defaultns. I'll have a think about how best to fix this. (Also, your ping didn't work - not sure why.) — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-03T19:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T06:01:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Now fixed. I also uncovered a nasty bug that was introduced by the recent changes to <a href="/wiki/Module:Namespace_detect" title="Module:Namespace detect">Module:Namespace detect</a> - this module was trying to use the # operator with the mappings table, which didn't work after it was switched to load using mw.loadData. I also split out the config data to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/config" title="Module:Pagetype/config">Module:Pagetype/config</a>, loaded using mw.loadData. And I made some beautification fixes too. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T06:01:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T06:01:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T06:01:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z"></span>I didn't get a ping either. It might be because it was a page creation? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-04T04:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> Broken in the opposite way now. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Message_box&oldid=602879313#Protected_edit_request_on_5_April_2014">[1]</a> says talk page instead of module. <a href="/wiki/User:Jackmcbarn" title="User:Jackmcbarn">Jackmcbarn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jackmcbarn" title="User talk:Jackmcbarn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2014-04-04T10:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-05T17:13:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z"></span>Bleh. That was a bug I introduced to <a href="/wiki/Module:Namespace_detect" title="Module:Namespace detect">Module:Namespace detect</a> this morning trying to fix an unrelated issue. That's now fixed as well. And with that, I think I shall call it a night. If you notice other similar problems, purging should fix it. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-05T17:13:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-05T17:13:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-04-05T17:13:00.000Z-Jackmcbarn-2014-04-05T16:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drafts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drafts-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drafts-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z"></span>Drafts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drafts-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z-Drafts"></span>I don't think this module identifies pages in the draft namespace. Please could this be added? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z-Drafts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z-Drafts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z-Drafts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z"></span>You could either use {{pagetype|draft=true}} or you could edit the cfg.defaultNamespaces section of <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/config" title="Module:Pagetype/config">Module:Pagetype/config</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T11:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> Drafts are detected fine - they are one of the extended namespaces. See <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype#Default_namespace_sets" title="Module:Pagetype">Module:Pagetype#Default namespace sets</a> for a quick look at what is in what set. And if you think drafts should be in the default set instead of just the extended set, we can make the change in the module config, as WOSlinker said. (We should probably get consensus for that first, though.) — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2014-10-03T11:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:51:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z"></span>Yes well, perhaps "draft" should be in that set. <s>Also I'm surprised that "file" is not there.</s> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:51:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 3 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:51:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:51:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z"></span>Hmm I see "file" is there, but not in the "media" row so I'm a bit confused by that. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T13:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> That's because when you click a link to a media namespace page, you're not going to a wiki page, but you're viewing the file directly. For example: <a href="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Example.svg" class="internal" title="Example.svg">Media:Example.svg</a>. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z-MSGJ-2014-10-03T13:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-04T11:29:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z"></span>Interesting, I didn't know that! In the meantime I've used <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|draft=yes</code> on <a href="/wiki/Template:Importance_mask" title="Template:Importance mask">Template:Importance mask</a> so it works as intended. Cheers all — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2014-10-04T11:29:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 4 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2014-10-04T11:29:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2014-10-04T11:29:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2014-10-03T14:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z"></span>Protected edit request on 28 September 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype" title="Module:Pagetype">Module:Pagetype</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Add the Gadget and Gadget definition namespaces and make the page type the same name, but with a lowercase "G". <a href="/wiki/User:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeoffreyT2000">GeoffreyT2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeoffreyT2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_28_September_2015"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2015-09-28T03:41:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2015-09-28T03:41:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2015-09-28T03:41:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2015-09-28T03:41:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2015-09-28T02:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Set_index_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Set_index_articles-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Set_index_articles-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"></span>Set index articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Set_index_articles-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z-Set_index_articles"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> Is there any way for the module to distinguish between disambiguation pages and set index articles? <a href="/wiki/User:PC78" title="User:PC78">PC78</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PC78" title="User talk:PC78">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z-Set_index_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 5 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z-Set_index_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z-Set_index_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:28:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"></span>I asked about disambiguation pages somewhere before and was told that it is impossible ;( — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:28:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:28:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:28:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PC78" title="User:PC78">PC78</a>:</span> see <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Redirect#Query" title="Module talk:Redirect">Module talk:Redirect#Query</a> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-05T00:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z"></span>Hmm. The doc refers to disambiguation pages at <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/doc#Main_namespace_classes" title="Module:Pagetype/doc">Module:Pagetype/doc#Main namespace classes</a>. Does this not do what I think it does? <a href="/wiki/User:PC78" title="User:PC78">PC78</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PC78" title="User talk:PC78">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T11:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z"></span>You have to tell the module that it is a disambiguation page using the class parameter. It won't detect it automatically, which I think it what you were asking about. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z-PC78-2016-07-12T17:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z"></span>Ah-ha. How does the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Metadata_gadget" title="Wikipedia:Metadata gadget">Metadata gadget</a> do it then, is that not something that can be applied to a template? <a href="/wiki/User:PC78" title="User:PC78">PC78</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PC78" title="User talk:PC78">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 13 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-07-12T19:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230420093600-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z"></span>The gadget also uses the class rating from the article's talk page, I believe! — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230420093600-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230420093600-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230420093600-PC78-2016-07-13T06:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Detecting_disambiguation_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Detecting_disambiguation_pages-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Detecting_disambiguation_pages-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Detecting disambiguation pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Detecting_disambiguation_pages-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1227084136">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;width:12em;border:1px solid #72777d;border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#EAECF0);color:var(--color-base,#202122);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked-closure{color:black;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}</style><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a><br/><span class="tracked-url"><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T71441"><span class="trakfab-T71441"> Task T71441</span></a></span><br/></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z-Detecting_disambiguation_pages"></span>Would it be possible to detect disambiguation pages from this module? Disambiguation pages have the page property "disambiguation". Can you retrieve page properties from Lua modules? <a href="/wiki/User:Kaldari" title="User:Kaldari">Kaldari</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kaldari" title="User talk:Kaldari">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z-Detecting_disambiguation_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z-Detecting_disambiguation_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z-Detecting_disambiguation_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Redirect#Query" title="Module talk:Redirect">Module talk:Redirect#Query</a>! — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z-Kaldari-2016-10-31T20:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T21:19:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the pointer. After looking at the Phab ticket and the Scribunto code, I think I actually know how this could be implemented. <a href="/wiki/User:Kaldari" title="User:Kaldari">Kaldari</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kaldari" title="User talk:Kaldari">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T21:19:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T21:19:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kaldari-2016-10-31T21:19:00.000Z-MSGJ-2016-10-31T20:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="cross_project_calls" data-mw-thread-id="h-cross_project_calls-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-cross_project_calls-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z"></span>cross project calls<span data-mw-comment-end="h-cross_project_calls-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z-cross_project_calls"></span>Should this work across wikiprojects? For example </p> <ul><li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Frankfurt}} gives: article</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikipedia:Frankfurt}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikivoyage:Frankfurt}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Voy:Frankfurt}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Frankfurt/Main}} gives: redirect</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikipedia:Frankfurt/Main}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=W:Frankfurt/Main}} gives: redirect</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikipedia:Frankfurt/Main123}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikivoyage:Frankfurt/Main}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=FRA}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikipedia:FRA}} gives: redirect</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=W:FRA}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Wikivoyage:FRA}} gives: page</li> <li>{{#invoke:pagetype|main|page=Voy:FRA}} gives: page</li></ul> <p>Does not appear to be giving correct results, or am I misunderstanding the syntax? --<a href="/wiki/User:Traveler100" title="User:Traveler100">Traveler100</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Traveler100" title="User talk:Traveler100">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z-cross_project_calls" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z-cross_project_calls"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z-cross_project_calls"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230420094600-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z"></span>I don't believe this is possible and/or desirable — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230420094600-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 20 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230420094600-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230420094600-Traveler100-2018-02-15T12:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Plurals" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plurals-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Plurals-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z"></span>Plurals<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Plurals-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z-Plurals"></span>Following a request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Short_description#Category_fix_needed" title="Wikipedia talk:Short description">Wikipedia talk:Short description #Category fix needed</a>, which complained that the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Short_description" title="Template:Short description">Short description</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> naively pluralises 'category' as '<del>categories</del><ins>categorys</ins>', I looked for a fix. As the template calls <a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype" title="Template:Pagetype">Template:Pagetype</a> in three places, it seemed hugely inefficient to use logic to test for irregular plurals at each call, so I've implemented a boolean <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|plural=</code> parameter in <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/sandbox</a>. That makes use of a couple of extra variables that I've added to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/config/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/config/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/config/sandbox</a> (to allow localisation for other Wikis). I've set each respective sandbox to call the relevant sandbox. So: </p> <ul><li><code>{{pagetype/sandbox}}</code> → template</li> <li><code>{{pagetype/sandbox |plural=y}}</code> → templates</li> <li><code>{{pagetype/sandbox |plural=n |page=Category:CS1 maint: archived copy as title}}</code> → category</li> <li><code>{{pagetype/sandbox |plural=y |page=Category:CS1 maint: archived copy as title}}</code> → categories</li></ul> <p>It seems to work without problem on each type of page, including redirects where I've previewed the above code. It fails the same four testcases at <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module talk:Pagetype/testcases">Module talk:Pagetype/testcases</a> that were failing before (pages that are now redirects). </p><p>As I'm not familiar with the uses of the less common parameters (although there <i>should</i> be no interaction as I've coded the changes at the output of the main function), I'm flagging this up for review and to seek consensus for the changes to be made. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z-Plurals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z-Plurals"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:16:00.000Z-Plurals"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z-Plurals"></span>Sorry, I should have pinged <a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a> as the author of the module. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z-Plurals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 24 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z-Plurals"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z-Plurals"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z"></span>I support this change, with a minor note that for posterity, I think your original description of the error should read <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">naively pluralises 'category' as 'categorys'</q> (note the misspelled last word). I was going to strike it out for you, but I might be misunderstanding the situation entirely. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for spotting that, <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> – my internal spell-checker clearly took over (either that or my senility is progressing faster than I thought). Cheers --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2020-05-24T23:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a>:</span> thanks for coding this, and please do implement — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-05-24T23:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-06-09T16:07:00.000Z-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z"></span>Apologies, I did that last week, but forgot to update this thread. This template now accepts the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|plural=</code> parameter: <ul><li><code>{{pagetype}}</code> → template</li> <li><code>{{pagetype |plural=y}}</code> → templates</li> <li><code>{{pagetype |plural=n |page=Category:CS1 maint: archived copy as title}}</code> → category</li> <li><code>{{pagetype |plural=y |page=Category:CS1 maint: archived copy as title}}</code> → categories</li></ul></dd> <dd>I've updated the documentation at <a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype/doc#Plurals" title="Template:Pagetype/doc">Template:Pagetype/doc #Plurals</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-06-09T16:07:00.000Z-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-06-09T16:07:00.000Z-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-06-09T16:07:00.000Z-MSGJ-2020-06-09T15:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z"></span>Protected edit request on 18 June 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype" title="Module:Pagetype">Module:Pagetype</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Implement the change I've made at <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/sandbox</a>; specifically, the addition of a <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|caps=</code> parameter, that capitalises the first letter of the output. The change is very simple; below line 209, insert the following: </p> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-lua mw-content-ltr mw-highlight-lines" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="linenos" data-line="210"></span><span class="kr">if</span> <span class="n">yesno</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="n">args</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">caps</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="kc">false</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="kr">then</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="211"></span> <span class="n">pagetype</span> <span class="o">=</span> <span class="n">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">ustring</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">upper</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="n">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">ustring</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">sub</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="n">pagetype</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="mi">1</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="mi">1</span><span class="p">))</span> <span class="o">..</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="212"></span> <span class="n">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">ustring</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="n">sub</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="n">pagetype</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="mi">2</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="linenos" data-line="213"></span><span class="kr">end</span> </pre></div> <p><small>The indentation on the output above is... interesting... but the correct indentation is used in the wikitext.</small> </p><p>You can see this working in the <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module talk:Pagetype/testcases">test cases</a>, where I've written specific tests for it; it plays nicely with the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|plural=</code> parameter, as you'd expect. It is worthy of note that I've <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3APagetype%2Ftestcases&type=revision&diff=963243595&oldid=963242397">had to separately fix some of the other testcases</a>, as the pages that they depended on have changed since the last time the testcases were used. </p><p>Please let me know once this is sorted so I can update the documentation for the new parameter. </p><p>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Naypta" title="User:Naypta">Naypta</a> ☺ | <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">✉ talk page</a></small> | 18:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Naypta" title="User:Naypta">Naypta</a> ☺ | <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">✉ talk page</a></small> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_18_June_2020"></span> </p> <dl><dd></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z"></span>The code works fine, but is there a use case for it? As an aside, <code>:gsub("^(%l)", string.upper)</code> is a compact way of doing ucfirst (that's %'lower-case-L' in the pattern). --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T18:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a>:</span> The intended use case would be to have templates that either categorise pages, or link to categories of pages, shown correctly with the capitalisation of the first letter of the category. In the first case, which was actually what prompted me to propose this change, there's not much practical difference, because MediaWiki doesn't care about first letter capitalisation, and categories are processed through it. In the second, however, there's a visible difference for people looking at the link. It's no big deal, but it's a nice thing to have, and for the few lines of code it takes to support it, I figured why not <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Thanks for the tip about ucfirst - I'd not thought of just using a gsub, good shout! <a href="/wiki/User:Naypta" title="User:Naypta">Naypta</a> ☺ | <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">✉ talk page</a></small> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T20:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Naypta" title="User:Naypta">Naypta</a>:</span> I've implemented your change and tidied the odd indent. Please check it over and update the documentation when you get a chance. Cheers. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:37:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a>:</span> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pagetype/doc&type=revision&diff=963273850&oldid=960209712&diffmode=source">Done</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Pagetype/doc&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=963273701&oldid=960209682&diffmode=source">dusted</a> - cheers! I've also added TemplateData for <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|plural=</code>, and tidied up the documentation on the template to use examples of template code rather than of module code. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <a href="/wiki/User:Naypta" title="User:Naypta">Naypta</a> ☺ | <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Naypta" title="User talk:Naypta">✉ talk page</a></small> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:37:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:37:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Naypta-2020-06-18T21:37:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-06-18T21:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z"></span>Question regarding the use of the dab parameter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter"></span>I'm not sure I understand how the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|dab=</code> parameter works. I have a usecase that I want to check if a page is an actual article or a dab or redirect. If I understand correctly from the docs I should do: </p> <ul><li><code>{{Pagetype|page=AC|dab}}</code>, which produces: page</li> <li><code>{{Pagetype|page=Air conditioning|dab}}</code>, which produces: article</li></ul> <p>The first is a dab while the second is an article. What am I doing wrong? --<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z-Question_regarding_the_use_of_the_dab_parameter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z"></span>I don't think there is any way to check if a page is a disambig automatically, so what you are doing above is passing in the class value and because the class value you've passed is "dab", it outputs "page". If you have passed "start" for example then it would have output "article". <ul><li><code>{{Pagetype|page=AC|start}}</code>, which produces: page</li></ul></dd> <dd>You can see what's possible against the Title object in the <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#Title_objects">LUA reference manual</a> and you'll see that there are items to check for redirects but nothing for disambig. Also see <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441">phabricator T71441</a>.-- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T10:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z"></span>Yeah I know there is no direct access, but I thought there was some backend manipulation the page content. So I'm not sure what the point is of the dab class. If I already know what the page type is, why would I send the page type, or even use this template in the first place? I feel like I'm missing something here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T13:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z"></span>A couple of hacks come to mind that could determine whether a page is a dab page: <ul><li>Using a call to a Scribunto module that fetches the content of the page, <code>titleobject.getcontent()</code>, and then looks for the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Disambiguation" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Disambiguation">disambiguation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template in it. Heavy and expensive.</li> <li>If you're checking from Wikidata from an entity, use the fact that <code>titleobject.redirectTarget</code> returns false if the page is not a redirect; and <code>mw.wikibase.getSitelink(qid)</code> returns nil if the page has no Wikidata sitelink. If an article page has no Wikidata sitelink and is not a redirect, it is almost certainly a dab.</li></ul></dd> <dd>There are possibly others, but I'm not aware of any 100% guaranteed way that doesn't depend on some assumptions. --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a>:</span>, thanks. I've been looking into the page:content() before I came here. Can you explain to me what's the purpose of the dab parameter? --<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:40:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z"></span>There's more than just the disambiguation template to look for, there's some of the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Dmbox&namespace=10&limit=110&hidelinks=1">following</a> templates that are also used for that purpose as well. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:40:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:40:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:40:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T16:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z"></span>The main purpose of the Pagetype template is to be used on the project banners to show either "article" or "page" in the banner text. -- <a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinker" title="User:WOSlinker">WOSlinker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WOSlinker" title="User talk:WOSlinker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z-Gonnym-2020-07-02T13:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a>:</span> As an example, if this template is used inside a WikiProject template, it can read the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=</code> parameter (passed into the WikiProject template) like this: <code>{{pagetype|{{{class|}}} }}</code> and then might be used to create a category name that the article should belong to, given that if the class is given as dab or n/a, the template will then return "page" instead of "article". There is the ability to specify custom text for either dab or n/a, depending on the naming convention required for the category name. Does that make sense? --<a href="/wiki/User:RexxS" title="User:RexxS">RexxS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RexxS" title="User talk:RexxS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z-WOSlinker-2020-07-02T16:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T22:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z"></span>Yes, thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T22:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T22:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-2020-07-02T22:25:00.000Z-RexxS-2020-07-02T20:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere" data-mw-thread-id="h-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Erroneous entries in WhatLinksHere<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexis_Jazz-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere"></span>Using this template on a file talk page causes <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere" title="Special:WhatLinksHere">Special:WhatLinksHere</a> for the file page to report the talk page linking to the file page. If this is fixable, please do. See also <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WPBannerMeta#Protected_edit_request_on_29_July_2021" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:WPBannerMeta">Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Protected edit request on 29 July 2021</a>. — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexis_Jazz" title="User talk:Alexis Jazz">talk</a> or ping me) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Alexis_Jazz-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexis_Jazz-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexis_Jazz-2021-07-29T11:36:00.000Z-Erroneous_entries_in_WhatLinksHere"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z"></span>Protected edit request on 2 May 2022<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Change page's main title Sterling Entertainment Group to United American Video and lock the page from further editing. The information on this page is wildly inaccurate and most of it has now been edited for accuracy except for the main title. </p><p>United American Video was never Sterling Entertainment Group. I should know I was a founder from 1984 to 2005. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jpettus1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jpettus1 (page does not exist)">Jpettus1</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jpettus1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jpettus1 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z-Protected_edit_request_on_2_May_2022"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-2022-05-02T18:31:00.000Z-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/18px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/27px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/36px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Not done</b></span> this has nothing to do with editing <a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype" title="Template:Pagetype">Template:Pagetype</a>; try the talk page attached to whichever article you want to change. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Xaosflux-2022-05-02T18:31:00.000Z-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-2022-05-02T18:31:00.000Z-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-2022-05-02T18:31:00.000Z-Jpettus1-2022-05-02T16:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_Module:Disambiguation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_Module:Disambiguation-20230420095000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_Module:Disambiguation-20230420095000"></span>Use <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_Module:Disambiguation-20230420095000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230420095000-Use_Module:Disambiguation"></span>I propose using <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> to automatically detect disambiguation pages, as currently used on <a href="/wiki/Module:Class_mask" title="Module:Class mask">Module:Class mask</a> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230420095000-Use_Module:Disambiguation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 20 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230420095000-Use_Module:Disambiguation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230420095000-Use_Module:Disambiguation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230510102100-MSGJ-20230420095000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>: any chance you could look at this, because I think you wrote this module initialy? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230510102100-MSGJ-20230420095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230510102100-MSGJ-20230420095000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230510102100-MSGJ-20230420095000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230518094700-MSGJ-20230420095000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>: if you do have time to look at this module, it would be appreciated. It does have a significant effect because importance is not being correctly autoclassified as NA on disambiguation talk pages. Thanks — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230518094700-MSGJ-20230420095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230518094700-MSGJ-20230420095000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230518094700-MSGJ-20230420095000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500-MSGJ-20230518094700"></span>Time is one thing I don't have the luxury of right now... but perhaps I can take a look at some point in the next few weeks. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500-MSGJ-20230518094700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500-MSGJ-20230518094700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500-MSGJ-20230518094700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230819051000-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a> just a little reminder if you have time to look at this :) Would it also be possible for <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|defaultns=extended</code> to produce "disambiguation page" in this case? Thank you. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230819051000-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230819051000-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230819051000-Mr._Stradivarius-20230519002500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400-MSGJ-20230819051000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> I have implemented disambiguation page detection at <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/sandbox</a>. At the moment, this still outputs the default "page" for disambiguation pages. Disambiguation detection works like redirect detection - it is on by default, and is checked before looking at <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|defaultns=</code> or explicit namespace arguments. This means that if we are going to change the module to produce "disambiguation page" for disambiguation pages, with the current implementation this would be independent of the value of <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|defaultns=</code>. (It can be done by editing the <code>cfg.dabDefault</code> value in <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/config/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/config/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/config/sandbox</a>.) <p>Using "disambiguation page" could be a breaking change for some users, as previously disambiguation pages specified by the first positional parameter have been output as "page". Before changing it, we should probably check to see whether anything is likely to break, and have a wider discussion. In the meantime, you can always change it on a per-template basis by using <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|dab=disambiguation page</code>.</p> <p>My edits to the sandbox have also removed the dependency on <a href="/wiki/Module:Namespace_detect" title="Module:Namespace detect">Module:Namespace detect</a>, and I also changed <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module:Pagetype/testcases">Module:Pagetype/testcases</a> to use <a href="/wiki/Module:Mock_title" title="Module:Mock title">Module:Mock title</a> so that the test cases won't break if anyone edits any pages mentioned in them. Let me know if you spot any issues with any of this, and if not I'll go ahead and deploy the sandbox version to the main module. Best — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400-MSGJ-20230819051000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400-MSGJ-20230819051000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400-MSGJ-20230819051000"></span></p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400"></span>I have gone ahead and deployed the changes to the main module. Please let me know if you spot any issues. Best — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900-Mr._Stradivarius-20230827073400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230828205600-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900"></span>Thanks very much. I'll test it very soon when I get some time. I can use <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|dab=disambguation</code> for now but it would be great if defaultns could be used later, if that is possible — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230828205600-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230828205600-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230828205600-Mr._Stradivarius-20230828133900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900-MSGJ-20230828205600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> I think changing the default would break too many things. Changing to automatic disambiguation page detection has already <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Short_description#Category_transclusion" title="Wikipedia talk:Short description">broken the categories</a> used by <a href="/wiki/Template:Short_description" title="Template:Short description">Template:Short description</a>, and it is difficult to tell what else might break by changing the default wording from "page" to "disambiguation page". — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900-MSGJ-20230828205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 29 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900-MSGJ-20230828205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900-MSGJ-20230828205600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PresN-20230830022100-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> The WikiProject classification for some disambiguation pages such as <a href="/wiki/Dragon_Quest_Heroes" class="mw-disambig" title="Dragon Quest Heroes">Dragon Quest Heroes</a> moved from being "NA-importance" by default to "Unknown-importance" as of today; since no change was made to Wikiproject banner shell, I think that this change may have affected that template/module. In looking at what moved and what didn't, it appears that "set index articles" are now no longer "NA" by default, while "normal" disambiguation articles are still handled correctly. I'm presuming that the fix needs to be applied to Wikiproject banner shell, not here, but replying here since there was an active discussion. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:PresN" title="User:PresN"><span style="color:green">Pres</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PresN" title="User talk:PresN"><span style="color:blue">N</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PresN-20230830022100-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PresN-20230830022100-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PresN-20230830022100-Mr._Stradivarius-20230829131900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500-PresN-20230830022100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PresN" title="User:PresN">PresN</a>:</span> I tracked the problem down to <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner" title="Module:WikiProject banner">Module:WikiProject banner</a>. It uses <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype" title="Module:Pagetype">Module:Pagetype</a> <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner#L-109" title="Module:WikiProject banner">here</a>, and then compares the result to the string "article" <a href="/wiki/Module:WikiProject_banner#L-312" title="Module:WikiProject banner">here</a>. This should probably be changed to a namespace check. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500-PresN-20230830022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500-PresN-20230830022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500-PresN-20230830022100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PresN-20230830114800-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> I think it's actually that <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> only looks for <i>disambiguation</i> templates, but set index pages have <i>set index</i> templates, so they don't get counted by the module as a disambiguation page, so Module:Pagetype is saying they're "article". Either Module:Disambiguation should treat those like disambig pages, or else Module:Pagetype should call a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Module:Set_index&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Module:Set index (page does not exist)">Module:Set index</a> with its own regex patterns to handle set index pages. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:PresN" title="User:PresN"><span style="color:green">Pres</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PresN" title="User talk:PresN"><span style="color:blue">N</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PresN-20230830114800-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PresN-20230830114800-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PresN-20230830114800-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830025500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600-PresN-20230830114800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PresN" title="User:PresN">PresN</a>:</span> Hm, you are right: <code>{{pagetype|page=Dragon Quest Heroes}}</code> produces "article". This means that the recent change to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype" title="Module:Pagetype">Module:Pagetype</a> won't have affected it (unless it was passing "dab" as the first positional parameter, which not many pages do). So there must be another reason for the change from "NA-importance" to "Unknown-importance". By the way, I don't think that set index articles not being detected as disambiguation pages by <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> is an error. From <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SETINDEX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SETINDEX">WP:SETINDEX</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">A set index article (SIA) is a <i>list article</i> about a set of items of a specific type that also share the same (or similar) name</q> (italics mine). Also, there's an entire section <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SETNOTDAB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SETNOTDAB">WP:SETNOTDAB</a> explaining that set index articles are not disambiguation pages. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600-PresN-20230830114800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600-PresN-20230830114800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600-PresN-20230830114800"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PresN-20230830135200-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> Hmm. Given the definition and examples at that page (e.g. <a href="/wiki/List_of_peaks_named_Signal" title="List of peaks named Signal">List of peaks named Signal</a>), I see the argument for pagetype treating them as "article" rather than "disambiguation". I also don't think the pages I was looking at are really SIAs by that definition, but should be disambiguation pages. I'll adjust in that direction, and we can leave pagetype as it is. Still not sure what caused banner shell to stop treating them as disambiguation (I don't see anything in the code change that would cause it), but if its more correct this way then that's fine. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:PresN" title="User:PresN"><span style="color:green">Pres</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PresN" title="User talk:PresN"><span style="color:blue">N</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PresN-20230830135200-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PresN-20230830135200-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PresN-20230830135200-Mr._Stradivarius-20230830132600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230830203000-PresN-20230830135200"></span>I must admit that the definition of set index articles confuses me, but the "article" in its name makes it clear that they are articles so I don't there is an error here. I also don't see how the recent change could have affected this — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230830203000-PresN-20230830135200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230830203000-PresN-20230830135200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230830203000-PresN-20230830135200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PresN-20230830214100-MSGJ-20230830203000"></span>I'm still confused how it did, but there were some SIAs where the talk page template said "|class=Disambiguation" with no importance listed, and yesterday they moved from defaulting as NA-importance to being Unknown-importance. It was consistent on the 1.0 Bot assessment logs. It appears that the current state of things is the correct and intended way, and whatever was treating SIAs as disambiguation pages instead of lists was wrong, so nothing further to do here. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:PresN" title="User:PresN"><span style="color:green">Pres</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PresN" title="User talk:PresN"><span style="color:blue">N</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PresN-20230830214100-MSGJ-20230830203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PresN-20230830214100-MSGJ-20230830203000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PresN-20230830214100-MSGJ-20230830203000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Christian75-20230518103900-MSGJ-20230420095000"></span>Lots of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Set_index" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Set index">WP:Set index</a> articles are marked as disambiguation at WikiData... (maybe this isn't about WikiData, but I think I saw another post about it) <a href="/wiki/User:Christian75" title="User:Christian75">Christian75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christian75" title="User talk:Christian75">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Christian75-20230518103900-MSGJ-20230420095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Christian75-20230518103900-MSGJ-20230420095000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Christian75-20230518103900-MSGJ-20230420095000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20230518104200-Christian75-20230518103900"></span>No, we are not currently using wikidata. That was an option explored at <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> but it seems not worthwhile. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20230518104200-Christian75-20230518103900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20230518104200-Christian75-20230518103900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20230518104200-Christian75-20230518103900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects-20240109221600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects-20240109221600"></span>Detecting pages with <a href="/wiki/Template:Wiktionary_redirect" title="Template:Wiktionary redirect">Template:Wiktionary redirect</a> and other soft redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects-20240109221600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240109221600-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235781174"><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer unresolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved from <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Class_mask" title="Template talk:Class mask">Template talk:Class mask</a></div></div> <p>@<a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> suggested at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Content_assessment" title="Wikipedia talk:Content assessment">Wikipedia talk:Content assessment</a> that we should automatically detect pages using <a href="/wiki/Template:Wiktionary_redirect" title="Template:Wiktionary redirect">Template:Wiktionary redirect</a> and its redirects, and automatically classify them as redirects. It seems we could the same with <a href="/wiki/Template:Soft_redirect" title="Template:Soft redirect">Template:Soft redirect</a> and its redirects. Are there any other relevant templates? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240109221600-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240109221600-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240109221600-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200-MSGJ-20240109221600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> I think all the templates are listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects#Specialized_soft_redirect_templates" title="Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects">Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects#Specialized soft redirect templates</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200-MSGJ-20240109221600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200-MSGJ-20240109221600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200-MSGJ-20240109221600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240109222300-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200"></span>Wow okay, and you can bet that each template has about 10 redirects, so that's quite a lot of searching in the page text — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240109222300-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240109222300-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240109222300-PARAKANYAA-20240109222200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700-MSGJ-20240109222300"></span>Sorry D: <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700-MSGJ-20240109222300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700-MSGJ-20240109222300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700-MSGJ-20240109222300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240117210700-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700"></span>I have created <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/setindex" title="Module:Pagetype/setindex">Module:Pagetype/setindex</a> and <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/softredirect" title="Module:Pagetype/softredirect">Module:Pagetype/softredirect</a> in preparation. Are there any other types that we could auto-classify? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240117210700-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240117210700-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240117210700-PARAKANYAA-20240109223700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240119223400-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"></span>Code now ready for testing in <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/sandbox</a>. Some tests can be seen at the bottom of <a href="/wiki/Template:Pagetype/testcases" title="Template:Pagetype/testcases">Template:Pagetype/testcases</a>. If <a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a> was more active, I might ask him to check my code. My intention is to remove the call to <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> altogether as the code is mostly duplicated — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240119223400-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240119223400-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240119223400-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600-MSGJ-20240119223400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> Could you also add test cases to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module:Pagetype/testcases">Module:Pagetype/testcases</a>? There should be test cases there as well so that future updates to the code don't break the functionality you are adding. I designed the test cases so that you can specify an arbitrary "group name" (just a short description of the general kind of thing the test is testing), the arguments to the template, and the expected result. If you add more tests like that to the <code>tests</code> table they should just work. Also, please add any titles you use in the tests to the <code>mMockTitle.registerMockTitles</code> call at the top of the test cases and mock any fields that you will use. This ensures that the tests won't break if someone edits the actual wiki page in the future. You can see <a href="/wiki/Module:Mock_title" title="Module:Mock title">Module:Mock title</a> for the different options you can use, but probably I guess you just need to copy the entry for "Alien" (a disambiguation page) and change the content. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600-MSGJ-20240119223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600-MSGJ-20240119223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600-MSGJ-20240119223400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240120123000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600"></span>Sure, will look at that. Can I ask a question? I assume that lines 25-27 of <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> are not needed here because we are already checking for redirects in line 210. Also, why are you using <code>mRedirect.getTargetFromText(content) ~= nil</code> rather than just <code>luaIsRedirect</code> in there?</dd> <dd>And if this works out well, can we get your bot to update these lists like it currently does for the dab pages? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240120123000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240120123000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240120123000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162400-MSGJ-20240120123000"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I assume that lines 25-27 of <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a> are not needed here because we are already checking for redirects in line 210.</q> Yes, that looks right to me. We shouldn't need a duplicate check. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Also, why are you using <code>mRedirect.getTargetFromText(content) ~= nil</code> rather than just <code>luaIsRedirect</code> in there?</q> I don't remember the reason I wrote it that way. Maybe something to do with double redirects? There was definitely something that you had to parse the content for, rather than just checking the title object, but I don't remember the details, and I'm not sure if it still applies today. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">And if this works out well, can we get your bot to update these lists like it currently does for the dab pages?</q> Yes, it should be fairly easy to adapt (especially if we use the same format for all the data pages), and I would be willing to run it on the additional pages. Best — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162400-MSGJ-20240120123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162400-MSGJ-20240120123000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162400-MSGJ-20240120123000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162800-MSGJ-20240120123000"></span>Also, one thing I noticed about the code - you can add a <code>break</code> statement after <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1197292991#L-142" title="Special:PermanentLink/1197292991">line 142</a>, which will stop the algorithm checking all of the templates on a page if it finds a match. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162800-MSGJ-20240120123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162800-MSGJ-20240120123000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120162800-MSGJ-20240120123000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240121214700-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a> for some reason when I added <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/testcases#L-44" title="Module:Pagetype/testcases">Module:Pagetype/testcases#L-44</a> as a mock title, suddenly 7 unrelated tests failed. They seem to be all the tests which do not specify the page name. All my new tests are working correctly. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240121214700-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240121214700-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240121214700-Mr._Stradivarius-20240120002600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500-MSGJ-20240121214700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> This indicates a bug somewhere, but I don't have time right now to look through the code to find out where it is. I might have another look tomorrow. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500-MSGJ-20240121214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500-MSGJ-20240121214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500-MSGJ-20240121214700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240122163800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500"></span>Okay thanks. I suspect a bug in <a href="/wiki/Module:Mock_title" title="Module:Mock title">Module:Mock title</a> rather than this module — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240122163800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240122163800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240122163800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240122161500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500-MSGJ-20240122163800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> I found the issue. You added the string <code>{{Soft redirect|meta:Wikipedia usage statistics}}</code> to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module:Pagetype/testcases">Module:Pagetype/testcases</a>, and as the module treats <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module talk:Pagetype/testcases">Module talk:Pagetype/testcases</a> as the current page, it looks through the content of <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/testcases" title="Module:Pagetype/testcases">Module:Pagetype/testcases</a>, finds that string, and assumes that the module must be a soft redirect. This wasn't a problem with disambiguation templates as the check for those was limited to the main namespace, but soft redirect detection is done in every namespace. <p>I'm in two minds as to how to fix this. The obvious way would be to also check the page's content model before doing the template check, but checking the content model <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/LUAREF#Expensive_properties" class="extiw" title="mw:LUAREF">increments the expensive function count</a> for pages other than the current page, which might cause problems in templates that depend on this module. The alternative is to exclude namespaces that typically have different content models, like module space, <del>and userspace JS/CSS pages</del>. This will be more of a pain to code and will be wrong for pages that have their content model changed manually, but it will avoid breaking dependent templates. I think the latter solution will be better, as I think there is a high probability of pages being broken by the increase in expensive function count if we choose the former. (This is just an assumption, however; I haven't checked in detail.)</p> <p>While I am thinking about it, there is also a similar problem with <code class="nowrap" style=""><nowiki>...</nowiki></code> tags; it is possible to write <code class="nowrap" style=""><nowiki>{{soft redirect}}</nowiki></code> on a wiki page, and this will not be parsed as a soft redirect, but this module will treat it as one. To avoid false positives in discussions etc. where people are talking about soft redirects, we should also detect whether template invocations are contained in <code class="nowrap" style=""><nowiki>...</nowiki></code> blocks or not. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500-MSGJ-20240122163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500-MSGJ-20240122163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500-MSGJ-20240122163800"></span></p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123072900-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"></span>Actually, userspace CSS/JS pages should not be excluded, as they are actually categorised if you add a comment like <code>/* {{soft redirect}} */</code> to them. If I remember correctly, this is behaviour from before content models were added to MediaWiki; the ability to categorise JS/CSS pages was briefly removed, but enabled again after users complained. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123072900-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123072900-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123072900-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123081400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"></span>I added two new test cases and updated the rest of the tests to make it more obvious what is causing the test failures. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123081400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123081400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123081400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240123090400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"></span>Thanks for looking into this. Alternatively we could just restrict the soft redirect detection to mainspace. I think we may be opening a can of worms by trying to ignore code like nowiki which deactivates the template. There are numerous other ways it can be done, e.g. with pre tags or HTML comments. Sounds like a coder's nightmare! — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240123090400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240123090400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240123090400-Mr._Stradivarius-20240123071500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240124215100-MSGJ-20240123090400"></span>I have another suggestion. We can use the size of the page to determine whether it is likely to be soft redirect. I would suspect anything greater than 1000 bytes is extremely unlikely to be a soft redirect. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240124215100-MSGJ-20240123090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240124215100-MSGJ-20240123090400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240124215100-MSGJ-20240123090400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400-MSGJ-20240124215100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> I had a go at stripping out nowiki, pre, syntaxhighlight and source tags, as well as HTML comments. The code is in the sandbox, and the tests are all passing now. The parsing isn't perfect, but it should work for 99% of cases. Are there any other tags or markup that we should filter out? — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400-MSGJ-20240124215100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400-MSGJ-20240124215100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400-MSGJ-20240124215100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240125092000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400"></span>Wow, okay. No I can't think of any others. Can I just check if <code>{{soft redirect}}</code> will be detected or will it be greedy and ignore everything between the first open and last close? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240125092000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240125092000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240125092000-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240125093100-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400"></span>To avoid reinventing the wheel, you might look at <a href="/wiki/Module:Wikitext_Parsing#PrepareText" title="Module:Wikitext Parsing">Module:Wikitext Parsing#PrepareText</a> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240125093100-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240125093100-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240125093100-Mr._Stradivarius-20240125091400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240131151700-MSGJ-20240125093100"></span>I've added this to the sandbox and the testcases seem to be working okay — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240131151700-MSGJ-20240125093100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240131151700-MSGJ-20240125093100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240131151700-MSGJ-20240125093100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240131202600-MSGJ-20240125093100"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240131202600-MSGJ-20240125093100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240131202600-MSGJ-20240125093100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240131202600-MSGJ-20240125093100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200-MSGJ-20240131202600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> On the initial example I used, <a href="/wiki/%27Murica" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="'Murica">'Murica</a>, it seems to have had a... strange result. The shell now <i>says</i> redirect, but still classifies as unassessed and the shell doesn't show the redirect icon. If I'm missing something, sorry. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200-MSGJ-20240131202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200-MSGJ-20240131202600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200-MSGJ-20240131202600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240131222700-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200"></span>Yes I think I might need to update <a href="/wiki/Module:Class_mask" title="Module:Class mask">Module:Class mask</a> and/or <a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell" title="Module:Banner shell">Module:Banner shell</a> as well — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240131222700-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240131222700-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240131222700-PARAKANYAA-20240131222200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240131202800-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"></span>Mr. Stradivarius</a> when you have a chance, can you get your bot working on <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/setindex" title="Module:Pagetype/setindex">Module:Pagetype/setindex</a>, <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/softredirect" title="Module:Pagetype/softredirect">Module:Pagetype/softredirect</a> and <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/disambiguation" class="mw-redirect" title="Module:Pagetype/disambiguation">Module:Pagetype/disambiguation</a>. Maybe look at moving <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation/templates" title="Module:Disambiguation/templates">Module:Disambiguation/templates</a> over? Thanks — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240131202800-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240131202800-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240131202800-Detecting_pages_with_Template:Wiktionary_redirect_and_other_soft_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032400-MSGJ-20240131202800"></span>Filed a BRFA <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/StradBot_2" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/StradBot 2">here</a>. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032400-MSGJ-20240131202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032400-MSGJ-20240131202800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032400-MSGJ-20240131202800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032700-MSGJ-20240131202800"></span>Also, I don't think moving <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation/templates" title="Module:Disambiguation/templates">Module:Disambiguation/templates</a> is necessary, as it is also being used in <a href="/wiki/Module:Disambiguation" title="Module:Disambiguation">Module:Disambiguation</a>. The situation now seems fine to me. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032700-MSGJ-20240131202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032700-MSGJ-20240131202800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240217032700-MSGJ-20240131202800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions-20240216040700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions-20240216040700"></span>Recent change causing some problems with reports and bot actions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions-20240216040700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20240216040700-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions"></span>I am unable to find the discussion that led to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3APagetype&diff=1202783627&oldid=1201502469">this change</a>, but it may be causing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports#Wikipedia:Database_reports/Unused_templates_(filtered)_update_related_to_Module:Pagetype" title="Wikipedia talk:Database reports">problems with reports</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Legobot&curid=17932426&diff=1207949444&oldid=1206725690">bot actions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a>, do you have a link to the discussion? – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jonesey95-20240216040700-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20240216040700-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20240216040700-Recent_change_causing_some_problems_with_reports_and_bot_actions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20240216091800-Jonesey95-20240216040700"></span>It's at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ#Module:Pagetype" title="User talk:MSGJ">User talk:MSGJ#Module:Pagetype</a> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-MSGJ-20240216091800-Jonesey95-20240216040700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20240216091800-Jonesey95-20240216040700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20240216091800-Jonesey95-20240216040700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plastikspork-20240216150400-MSGJ-20240216091800"></span>Jonesey95</a>, that change should have reduced transclusions, by eliminating some transclusions of non-existing pages. But, the change right before it may have increased transclusions. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Plastikspork" title="User:Plastikspork">Plastikspork</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plastikspork" title="User talk:Plastikspork"><sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Plastikspork-20240216150400-MSGJ-20240216091800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plastikspork-20240216150400-MSGJ-20240216091800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plastikspork-20240216150400-MSGJ-20240216091800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20240216163100-Plastikspork-20240216150400"></span>All I know is that the database report changed on the day after the second edit to this module. I know there are sometimes delays, but usually the simple explanation is the one to look at. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Jonesey95-20240216163100-Plastikspork-20240216150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20240216163100-Plastikspork-20240216150400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20240216163100-Plastikspork-20240216150400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)-20240218160700"><span id="Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype.2Fsetindex_.2818_February_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)-20240218160700"></span>Request update of Module:Pagetype/setindex (18 February 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)-20240218160700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StradBot-20240218160700-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/setindex" title="Module:Pagetype/setindex">Module:Pagetype/setindex</a> has been answered. 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Please review this and update the module if necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:StradBot" title="User:StradBot">StradBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StradBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:StradBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-StradBot-20240218160700-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StradBot-20240218160700-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StradBot-20240218160700-Request_update_of_Module:Pagetype/setindex_(18_February_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400-StradBot-20240218160700"></span>Note: the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Pagetype/setindex/sandbox&diff=cur&oldid=prev">last sandbox edit</a> should be easier to read than the diff between the sandbox and the main module. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400-StradBot-20240218160700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400-StradBot-20240218160700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400-StradBot-20240218160700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20240218165800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> This added <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_family_name/doc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox family name/doc">Template:Infobox family name/doc</a> to the list of templates, which is clearly wrong. It was previously a redirect with content, which may have cause confusion, and I've now replaced it with a bare redirect. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Pppery-20240218165800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20240218165800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20240218165800-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20240218170200-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400"></span>It also added <a href="/wiki/Template:Family_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Family name">Template:family name</a>, a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_name" title="Template:Infobox name">Template:infobox name</a>, which is used on pages like <a href="/wiki/Smith_(surname)" title="Smith (surname)">Smith (surname)</a> that are clearly not set indices. Those seem to be the only two additions, neither of which is useful IMO, so <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/18px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/27px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/36px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Not done</b></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Pppery-20240218170200-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20240218170200-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20240218170200-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218161400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218171100-Pppery-20240218170200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Pppery</a>:</span> Thanks for looking into this. I'll think of the best way to address this tomorrow. Could you also check if <a href="/wiki/Module:Pagetype/softredirect/sandbox" title="Module:Pagetype/softredirect/sandbox">Module:Pagetype/softredirect/sandbox</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Pagetype/softredirect/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1208716631">diff</a>) looks OK? There was a Pywikibot issue preventing me from saving the edit request for that page, but the module sandbox itself was saved successfully. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pagetype#c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218171100-Pppery-20240218170200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218171100-Pppery-20240218170200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-20240218171100-Pppery-20240218170200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pagetype&oldid=1208722894">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pagetype&oldid=1208722894</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_using_copied_template" title="Category:Wikipedia pages using copied template">Wikipedia pages using copied template</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 18 February 2024, at 17:12<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span class="nowraplinks">This version of the page has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">revised</a>. 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