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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/American_bison_k5680-1.jpg/450px-American_bison_k5680-1.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/American_bison_k5680-1.jpg/600px-American_bison_k5680-1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2700" data-file-height="1761" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Common_Raccoon_(Procyon_lotor)_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Common_Raccoon_%28Procyon_lotor%29_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg/300px-Common_Raccoon_%28Procyon_lotor%29_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="217" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Common_Raccoon_%28Procyon_lotor%29_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg/450px-Common_Raccoon_%28Procyon_lotor%29_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Common_Raccoon_%28Procyon_lotor%29_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg/600px-Common_Raccoon_%28Procyon_lotor%29_in_Northwest_Indiana.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1119" data-file-height="809" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Green-anaconda.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Green-anaconda.jpg/300px-Green-anaconda.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="269" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Green-anaconda.jpg/450px-Green-anaconda.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Green-anaconda.jpg/600px-Green-anaconda.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1597" data-file-height="1431" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>I have found the following long list links useful: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/The_five_pillars_of_Wikipedia" class="mw-redirect" title="The five pillars of Wikipedia">The five pillars of Wikipedia</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Tutorial">Wikipedia:Tutorial</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">Wikipedia:Help desk</a></li> <li><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_issues" class="extiw" title="m:Foundation issues">M:Foundation issues</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Policy_Library" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Policy Library">Wikipedia:Policy Library</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Utilities" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Utilities">Wikipedia:Utilities</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_your_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Cite your sources">Wikipedia:Cite your sources</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">Wikipedia:Verifiability</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Wikiquette">Wikipedia:Wikiquette</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">Wikipedia:Civility</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_resolution" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Conflict resolution">Wikipedia:Conflict resolution</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Use_English" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Use English">Wikipedia:Use English</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles">Wikipedia:Featured articles</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">Wikipedia:Neutral point of view</a>:Articles without bias <i>describe</i> debates fairly rather than <i>advocating</i> any side of the debate.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention" title="Wikipedia:Pages needing attention">Wikipedia:Pages needing attention</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review" title="Wikipedia:Peer review">Wikipedia:Peer review</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bad_jokes_and_other_deleted_nonsense" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense">Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump" title="Wikipedia:Village pump">Wikipedia:Village pump</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Boilerplate_text" title="Wikipedia:Boilerplate text">Wikipedia:Boilerplate text</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_channel" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IRC channel">Wikipedia:IRC channel</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists" title="Wikipedia:Mailing lists">Wikipedia:Mailing lists</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Current_surveys" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Current surveys">Wikipedia:Current surveys</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_Deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion">Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a soapbox</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_disrupt_Wikipedia_to_illustrate_a_point" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Don&#39;t disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point">Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point</a> especially the recognition that WP is inconsistent.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate">wannabe_kate</a></li></ul> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits">kate's tool</a></li></ul> <p>Feel free to contact me <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">here</a></b>. </p><p>(A word of advice; it makes no sense, but you will get more respect if you create your user page). <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Be_bold.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Be bold!"><img alt="Be bold!" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Be_bold.png/100px-Be_bold.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Be_bold.png/150px-Be_bold.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Be_bold.png/200px-Be_bold.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></a></span> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Prejudices_(First_Series)"><span id="Prejudices_.28First_Series.29"></span>Prejudices (First Series)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Prejudices (First Series)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Wikipedia_is_inconsistent">Wikipedia is inconsistent</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Wikipedia is inconsistent"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I am opposed to all efforts to impose uniformity on Wikipedia; imposition of national or political PoV are the worst, and most common of these; but the AD/CE edit war is another and clearer example. The wiki solution to the problem would be for anyone who was editing a sentence anyway to change the style if he objected to it, and otherwise to leave it alone. It is an elementary theorem of probability theory that the proportion of AD to CE would then reflect the proportion of people who prefer one to the other, and WP would achieve uniformity when the world does - and not before. </p><p>The same logic applies to the doubtless well-intentioned effort to format Wikipedia identically in every article, and to the recurring spats over Anglo-American usage. Both of these are also contrary to express policy, and I approve those policies. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Eventualism">Eventualism</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: Eventualism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Eventually Wikipedia will get it right. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=46420971">[3]</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Delete,_but_don't_Speedy"><span id="Delete.2C_but_don.27t_Speedy"></span>Delete, but don't Speedy</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Delete, but don&#039;t Speedy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>A few words quoted from Jimbo which have not gotten enough attention in all this: </p> <dl><dd><i>*g* Funny isn't it? I keep stumbling across pages ranting against my irrational vendetta and ban of userboxes when basically I'm just saying <b>Everyone please relax a notch or two</b>.--<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&amp;diff=40955319&amp;oldid=40954240">Jimbo Wales</a> 02:35, 24 February 2006 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>There seems to be an understanding that you have given the OK for mass userbox deletion. I think it would be helpful if you could make it fully clear that this is not the case. <a href="/wiki/User:Everyking" title="User:Everyking">Everyking</a> 04:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><i>I don't know how I could be any more clear about it.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales" title="User:Jimbo Wales">Jimbo Wales</a> 14:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>I believe that divisive and inflammatory userboxes <b>should</b> be deleted. I am convinced by the events of the last few months that they should <b>not</b> be <b>speedied</b>. The reform proposal linked to <a href="#T1_reform_proposal">a few sections above</a> makes abundantly clear the amount of judgment involved in the application of T1; other speedy criteria can be verified trivially, and usually all reasonable editors will agree when they have been met. </p><p>TfD will also usually get rid of something faster, since speedies will often be listed on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UBD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UBD">WP:UBD</a>; and Undeletion will be seriously discussed and often approved. (Of course TfD's can be nominated for undeletion too; but if there has been visible consensus, the deletion reviewers will ignore it.) <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Septentrionalis</a> 15:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Five_layers_of_MOS">Five layers of MOS</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Edit section: Five layers of MOS"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>There are five different approaches to a Manual of Style. MOS should use most of them; it doesn't. Approach 4 is all too often advocated, but Wikipedia is not an exercise in language reform. </p><p>One example which actually came up was the proposal to ban "one fourth" in favor of "one quarter"; the examples below are <i>possible</i> statements based on that (hopefully uncontroversial) divergence. </p> <ol><li><b>Discuss the possibilities</b> <ul><li><i>North American English tends to use </i>fourth<i>; other Commonwealth English tends to use </i>quarter<i>.</i></li> <li><i>There are exceptions to this rule of thumb in both direct.</i></li> <li><i> </i>Quarter<i> can be used of a division into more than four pieces</i></li></ul></li> <li><b>Make a recommendation</b> <ul><li><i>In general, use </i>fourth<i> in articles written in American English; </i>quarter<i> in articles in Commonwealth English.</i></li></ul></li> <li><b>Establish a rule for Featured Articles</b> <ul><li><i>Featured Articles must use </i>fourth<i> in articles written in American English; </i>quarter<i> in articles in Commonwealth English.</i></li></ul></li> <li><b>A new improved, modern English</b> <ul><li><i>Always use </i>fourth<i>, because it's logical</i></li> <li><i>Always use </i>quarter<i>. This was the original proposal.</i></li></ul></li> <li><b>Don't edit just to change one style to another</b> <ul><li><i>If an article has </i>quarter<i> as an established stylistic choice, don't change to </i>fourth<i> without discussion and consensus.</i></li></ul></li></ol> <p><br /> </p><p>I think this example makes clear why MoS #2 and MoS #3 should not be the same; we can reasonably suggest that American articles use "fourth", but we should not deprive an article of FA because someone has used "quarter" instead; American English can, as <a href="/wiki/Ursula_K._Le_Guin" title="Ursula K. Le Guin">Ursula K. Le Guin</a> did. </p><p>Only MOS #3 and MOS #4 require consistency between one MOS page and another. <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> 19:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Wiki-Crusaders">Wiki-Crusaders</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="Edit section: Wiki-Crusaders"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>We've seen these all too often; somebody notices that an aspect of Wikipedia (usually one he does not use himself) <i>can</i> be abused - and calls a Crusade: </p> <ul><li>Userboxes are evil; ban <i>all</i> userboxes.</li> <li>Admins can be abusive; desysop all admins.</li> <li>Anon accounts vandalize; semi-protect all articles.</li> <li>Editors can be nitwits; protect all articles.</li></ul> <p>We've seen all of these; the last usually in some modified form , because even our Crusaders do sometimes edit articles. </p><p>These Crusades have a number of common features: </p> <ul><li>A declaration the sky is falling</li> <li>An utter absence of evidence that our normal procedures aren't dealing with the abuses.</li> <li>The EVIL practice X is usually something which makes no substantive difference to article space, but which some editors find useful.</li> <li>Reasoning of the form: "I don't do X (use userboxes/edit anonymously...); why should you have the right to do X? After all, it can be abused."</li></ul> <p>After six months or so, either it doesn't pass, and somehow the sky manages not to fall; or it does pass, some established editors are harassed, a large number of newbies are driven away, and we watch our expansion slow further - but there's never any great improvement to the encyclopedia. </p><p>If I have linked to this section, it probably means that I oppose giving some Crusader an office of trust or profit. Recent Crusades include: </p> <ul><li>The complaint (quite literally) that <a href="/wiki/User:Docu" title="User:Docu">User:Docu</a> signed his posts with <i>Docu</i> instead of four tildes. Some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Docu#Outside_view_by_Viridae" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Docu">actually proposed to block Docu for this scandalous offense</a>. Docu is not the one who should be blocked.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry#Highly_restrictive_policy_on_second_accounts.3F" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Sock puppetry"> This Crusade</a> to block all alt accounts (as opposed to abusive alt accounts, which are the only ones we can recognize) is merely unenforceable and useless - but it did inspire this thread.</li> <li>The perpetual Crusades at MOS to mandate one of several valid forms of English; the latest is an effort to decree that we should use <i>19th century</i> and not <i>nineteenth century</i>. Really; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Querying_.22nineteenth-century_painting.22" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)">I'm not making this up</a>. Admittedly, unless resisted, as in the late <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBDATE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBDATE">Date-delinking</a> disaster, this rarely begins with the cry "the sky is falling"; but it rapidly emerges. Part of the problem appears to be thinking in terms of a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)&amp;diff=308999858&amp;oldid=308984236">community of MOS editors</a>, as opposed to a community of <i>editors</i>. <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Septentrionalis</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmanderson" title="User talk:Pmanderson">PMAnderson</a></small> 17:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Why_we_have_edits_that_fail_verification">Why we have edits that fail verification</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=7" title="Edit section: Why we have edits that fail verification"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>The desperation to support an untenable position to which one is nonetheless committed has caused centuries of extreme mental gymnastics.</i> - Laurie R. King. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Articles_in_need_of_attention">Articles in need of attention</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=8" title="Edit section: Articles in need of attention"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Macedonia_(region)" title="Macedonia (region)">Macedonia (region)</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Macedonia_%28region%29&amp;action=history">history</a>|<a href="/wiki/Talk:Macedonia_(region)" title="Talk:Macedonia (region)">Talk</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Macedonia_%28region%29&amp;action=history">th</a>)</li> <li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton" title="Alexander Hamilton">Alexander Hamilton</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Hamilton&amp;action=history">history</a>|<a href="/wiki/Talk:Alexander_Hamilton" title="Talk:Alexander Hamilton">Talk</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alexander_Hamilton&amp;action=history">th</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Democratic_peace_theory" title="Democratic peace theory">DPT</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democratic_peace_theory&amp;action=history">history</a>|<a href="/wiki/Talk:Democratic_peace_theory" title="Talk:Democratic peace theory">Talk</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Democratic_peace_theory&amp;action=history">th</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Criticisms_of_communism" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Criticisms of communism">Coc</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticisms_of_communism&amp;action=history">history</a>|<a href="/wiki/Talk:Criticisms_of_communism" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Criticisms of communism">Talk</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Criticisms_of_communism&amp;action=history">th</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Carpetbagger" title="Carpetbagger">Carpetbagger</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carpetbagger&amp;action=history">history</a>|<a href="/wiki/Talk:Carpetbagger" title="Talk:Carpetbagger">Talk</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Carpetbagger&amp;action=history">th</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Chimera" class="mw-disambig" title="Chimera">Chimera</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chimera&amp;action=history">history</a>|<a href="/wiki/Talk:Chimera" title="Talk:Chimera">Talk</a>|<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chimera&amp;action=history">th</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/R._J._Rummel" title="R. 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background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="middle"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png/100px-Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png 1.5x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="107" /></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">Here's a barnster from a complete stranger for your good work&#160;:) <a href="/wiki/User:QueenCake" title="User:QueenCake">QueenCake</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QueenCake" title="User talk:QueenCake">talk</a>) 19:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC) </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Name">Name</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=12" title="Edit section: Name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Okay, I forgot and put two ~s on each side of the name, instead of four in front. <a href="/wiki/User:Antonio_Giusti" title="User:Antonio Giusti">Antonio Giusti</a> 08:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Antonio Giusti </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235538083">.mw-parser-output .rfx-report{margin:0.5em 0;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff)}.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-purge{font-size:85%;float:right}.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-recent{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-pending td,.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-error{background:#f8cdc6}.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-number{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-dupes{text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .rfx-report-dupes-yes{font-weight:bold}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .rfx-report{float:right;clear:left;margin-left:1.4em}}</style> <table class="wikitable rfx-report"> <caption>Requests for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">adminship</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship">bureaucratship</a> <span class="rfx-report-purge plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=purge">update</a></span> </caption> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col">RfA candidate</th> <th scope="col"><abbr title="Support">S</abbr></th> <th scope="col"><abbr title="Oppose">O</abbr></th> <th scope="col"><abbr title="Neutral">N</abbr></th> <th scope="col"><abbr title="Support percentage (%)">S&#160;%</abbr></th> <th scope="col">Status</th> <th scope="col">Ending (UTC)</th> <th scope="col">Time left</th> <th scope="col"><abbr title="Has duplicate votes?">Dups?</abbr></th> <th scope="col">Report </th></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Giraffer" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Giraffer">Giraffer</a> </td> <td class="rfx-report-number"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Giraffer#Support" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Giraffer">157</a> </td> <td class="rfx-report-number"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Giraffer#Oppose" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Giraffer">0</a> </td> <td class="rfx-report-number"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Giraffer#Neutral" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Giraffer">1</a> </td> <td class="rfx-report-number rfx-report-percent" style="background: #a5ffbb; color: #202122">100 </td> <td>Open </td> <td>10:31, 1 March 2025 </td> <td>3 days, 17 hours </td> <td class="rfx-report-dupes">no </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://apersonbot.toolforge.org/vote-history?page=Wikipedia%3ARequests+for+adminship%2FGiraffer">report</a> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Hi_PM">Hi PM</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=13" title="Edit section: Hi PM"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I appreciate your efforts to keep <a href="/wiki/New_York_Manumission_Society" title="New York Manumission Society">New York Manumission Society</a> NPOV. There is in fact a lot of reading on the web about these issues with the society. It's important to keep the coverage neutral. </p><p>I'm still wanting to add more "color" to the articles, i.e. specific activities of the group. I've got so much to do and little experience with Wikipedia, that I'm afraid I'm a bit intimidated and overwhelmed. </p><p>I know this is too much to ask, but I would really like to keep coverage of the Manumission society as positive and digestible as possible until March. Your edits so far are perfect, I just don't want there to be any edit wars or undue weight. I truly don't think you're the "bad guy" in your dealings with...others, in fact - I can see both sides. (Have you ever thought the user in question might be the source he most cites? Just a thought.) </p><p>I'm frankly hoping to enlist your help - if you can do anything at all to collaborate with me on this project (around all of these related articles), I would be so grateful. </p> <dl><dd>Sincerely,</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NinaEliza&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NinaEliza (page does not exist)">NinaEliza</a>&#160;(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NinaEliza&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:NinaEliza (page does not exist)">talk</a> <small>•</small> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/NinaEliza" title="Special:Contributions/NinaEliza">contribs</a> <small>•</small> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=NinaEliza&amp;site=en.wikipedia.org"><span style="color:#002bb8">count</span></a> <small>•</small> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=NinaEliza"><span style="color:#002bb8">logs</span></a> <small>•</small> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/NinaEliza" title="Special:EmailUser/NinaEliza">email</a></span>) 15:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Naming_dispute_participation_invite">Naming dispute participation invite</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pmanderson&amp;action=edit&amp;section=14" title="Edit section: Naming dispute participation invite"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>A geographical naming dispute has gone to mediation here <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-08-19/Paneriai" title="Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-08-19/Paneriai">Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-08-19/Paneriai</a> - it started with one town but its scope has widened to include the entire PL-LT Commonwealth. Since you were involved in writing the naming policies, your input would be welcome. I think some of the policy wordings are problematic and lend themselves to unnecessary volumes of argument. 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