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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Marching_band" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Marching band">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Marching band</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Marching band</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Marching band</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Marching band articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Marching_band_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Marching band articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Low-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Marching_band/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Marching band/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comment"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comment"></span>Comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comment"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brass_band&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Comment","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>See also: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Brass_band_(British_style)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Brass band (British style)">Talk:Brass band (British style)</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-India-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z-India&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;India&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;India&quot;}--><h2 id="India" data-mw-thread-id="h-India-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-India-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z"></span>India<span data-mw-comment-end="h-India-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brass_band&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: India"><span>edit</span></a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-India-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z-India&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;India&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;India&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z-India"></span>Brass bands of India are very popular, and should be mentioned. <a href="/wiki/User:Badagnani" title="User:Badagnani">Badagnani</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z-India" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badagnani-2007-10-17T08:40:00.000Z-India"><span 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Instrument_Pictures-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures&quot;,&quot;c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Instrument Pictures&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Instrument Pictures&quot;}--><h2 id="Instrument_Pictures" data-mw-thread-id="h-Instrument_Pictures-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Instrument_Pictures-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"></span>Instrument Pictures<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Instrument_Pictures-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Instrument_Pictures-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures&quot;,&quot;c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Instrument Pictures&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Instrument Pictures&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures"></span>Some of the pictures need updating... a rotary valve tuba is rarely used. Also, please check the Baritone picture. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesdaniel4291" title="User:Jonesdaniel4291">-- Daniel Jones</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesdaniel4291" title="User talk:Jonesdaniel4291">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z","author":"Jonesdaniel4291","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures","replies":["c-Dbolton-2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"-- Daniel Jones"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbolton-2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure it is fair to say a rotary valve tuba is rarely used. Maybe it depends on where you are. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dbolton" title="User:Dbolton">dbolton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbolton" title="User talk:Dbolton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Dbolton-2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbolton-2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z","author":"Dbolton","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dbolton-2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbolton-2009-06-13T13:55:00.000Z-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-12T09:29:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures"></span>Apologies - I'm thinking solely of Britain. Sorry.</dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Jonesdaniel4291" title="User:Jonesdaniel4291">-- Daniel Jones</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesdaniel4291" title="User talk:Jonesdaniel4291">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z","author":"Jonesdaniel4291","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures","replies":[],"displayName":"-- Daniel Jones"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesdaniel4291-2009-06-18T13:48:00.000Z-Instrument_Pictures"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Clean_Up-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Clean Up&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Clean Up&quot;}--><h2 id="Clean_Up" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clean_Up-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clean_Up-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Clean Up<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clean_Up-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brass_band&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Clean Up"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Clean_Up-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z","timestamp":"2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Clean_Up-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Clean Up&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Clean Up&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up"></span>This article needs a massive clean up, I will start soon. The see also section is ridiculous. <a href="/wiki/User:Parradudes" title="User:Parradudes">Parradudes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parradudes" title="User talk:Parradudes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z","author":"Parradudes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up","replies":["c-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z-Clean_Up"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. The lists below it also seem inappropriate to this article, which is not about composers and publishers.--<b><span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a></span>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)</a></b><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z","author":"Sabrebd","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-15T05:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Would a <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_Brass_Bands&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="List of Brass Bands (page does not exist)">List of Brass Bands</a> featuring all notable brass bands in the world be appropriate? We could include that list in the See Also section. We could categorise by region (continent, then country perhaps) and maybe even have a sub category that distinguishes comp bands from Salvo bands? <a href="/wiki/User:Parradudes" title="User:Parradudes">Parradudes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parradudes" title="User talk:Parradudes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z","author":"Parradudes","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-15T07:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z"></span>Its a personal view, but I think what you suggest tends to work the best, a seperate list article and a see also link here.--<b><span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a></span>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)</a></b><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z","author":"Sabrebd","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z-Parradudes-2010-03-16T00:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z"></span>Yes, individual bands notability is subjective, but perhaps if we just had a list of brass bands that EXIST. Any fraudulent entries would be easily disproved be ye olde google check. <a href="/wiki/User:Parradudes" title="User:Parradudes">Parradudes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parradudes" title="User talk:Parradudes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z","author":"Parradudes","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parradudes-2010-03-16T01:21:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2010-03-16T01:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Balkan_Brass_Bands-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Balkan Brass Bands&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Balkan Brass Bands&quot;}--><h2 id="Balkan_Brass_Bands" data-mw-thread-id="h-Balkan_Brass_Bands-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Balkan_Brass_Bands-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z"></span>Balkan Brass Bands<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Balkan_Brass_Bands-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brass_band&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Edit section: Balkan Brass Bands"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Balkan_Brass_Bands-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands","timestamp":"2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Balkan_Brass_Bands-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Balkan Brass Bands&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Balkan Brass Bands&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands"></span>There should probably also be a mention of the Balkan brass band tradition - <a href="/wiki/User:PianoDan" title="User:PianoDan">PianoDan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PianoDan" title="User talk:PianoDan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z","author":"PianoDan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PianoDan-2010-05-03T16:50:00.000Z-Balkan_Brass_Bands"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Revert_to_wind_ensemble-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Revert to wind ensemble&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Revert to wind ensemble&quot;}--><h2 id="Revert_to_wind_ensemble" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revert_to_wind_ensemble-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Revert_to_wind_ensemble-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"></span>Revert to wind ensemble<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Revert_to_wind_ensemble-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brass_band&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="Edit section: Revert to wind ensemble"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Revert_to_wind_ensemble-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z","timestamp":"2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Revert_to_wind_ensemble-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Revert to wind ensemble&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Revert to wind ensemble&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble"></span>What is the point of having 3 links that point to the same article? Personally I find this confusing, so I removed one of these - emsemble being another word for band in this case, I didn't feel that it was adding to much to the lead. Brass and reed band is common term over here for what you are describing, and unlike wind ensemble, isn't particularly obvious that is the same as a wind band. So why the revert? <a href="/wiki/User:**dave**" title="User:**dave**">Dave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:**dave**" title="User talk:**dave**">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z","author":"**dave**","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble","replies":["c-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dave"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z-Revert_to_wind_ensemble"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"></span>Wow this article is a mess in general. It is bizare having 3 seemingly different terms/forms linked to the concert band article. Since a true brass band is different from a concert band, thus the notability and justification for having a brass band article in wikipedia, the reference makes no sense and is inappropriate in all 3 cases. Additionally, in the US, the term wind ensemble is used interchangably with Symphonic Wind Ensemble, which, while a varrient of a concert band, does use different weighting in the instrumentation and targets a more orchestral timbre relative to that of the concert band. This article would benefit from a tightening of focus - which in turn may lead to the discovery that this should be broken into several seperate and concise articles based on the major headings with the brass band article as a summary list of links thereto.--<a href="/wiki/User:Rwberndt" title="User:Rwberndt">Rwberndt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rwberndt" title="User talk:Rwberndt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z","author":"Rwberndt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z-**dave**-2011-01-26T23:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z"></span>Sorry about the revert. I changed it back to your edit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dbolton" title="User:Dbolton">dbolton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbolton" title="User talk:Dbolton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z","author":"Dbolton","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbolton-2011-02-03T01:51:00.000Z-Rwberndt-2011-01-27T12:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-British_Style:_Keys-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys&quot;,&quot;c-AaronRichard-2012-10-22T05:33:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;British Style: Keys&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;British Style: Keys&quot;}--><h2 id="British_Style:_Keys" data-mw-thread-id="h-British_Style:_Keys-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-British_Style:_Keys-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z"></span>British Style: Keys<span data-mw-comment-end="h-British_Style:_Keys-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brass_band&amp;action=edit&amp;section=7" title="Edit section: British Style: Keys"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-British_Style:_Keys-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys","c-AaronRichard-2012-10-22T05:33:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AaronRichard-2012-10-22T05:33:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys","timestamp":"2012-10-22T05:33:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-British_Style:_Keys-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys&quot;,&quot;c-AaronRichard-2012-10-22T05:33:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;British Style: Keys&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;British Style: Keys&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys"></span>There is a notation of Bass Trombone as the only instrument in the band reading C music while Baritone, Euphonium, Tenor Trombone and some Tubas are noted as B-flat. This suggests that all of the aforementioned are reading treble clef parts. All but British baritone read bass clef, which is in concert (C or non-transposed) notation and are B-flat instruments (pitched such that B-flat is the fundamental pitch of the instrument. Traditional British military music with seperate baritone and euphonium parts frequently does print the baritone part as B-flat treble clef, but it can also be printed in bass clef. This section is very confusing as written.--<a href="/wiki/User:Rwberndt" title="User:Rwberndt">Rwberndt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rwberndt" title="User talk:Rwberndt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_band#c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Rwberndt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rwberndt-2011-06-03T11:47:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AaronRichard-2012-10-22T05:33:00.000Z-British_Style:_Keys"></span>In traditional British-style brass bands, ALL instruments read in treble clef (and transposed), except for bass trombone, which is written in bass clef at concert pitch. 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