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</ul> </div> <div id="container"> <div id="content"> <div class="padder"> <div class="page" id="blog-single" role="main"> <div id="post-64860" class="post-64860 post type-post status-publish format-standard hentry category-2012-f1-season category-michael-schumacher tag-2012-f1-season tag-f1 tag-f1-2012 tag-formula-one tag-formula-one-2012 tag-michael-schumacher tag-schumacher"> <div class="post-content"> <h2 class="posttitle"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/" rel="bookmark" title=" Michael Schumacher announces second F1 retirement">Michael Schumacher announces second F1 retirement</a></h2> <h3 class="subtitle">2012 F1 season</h3> <div class="article-meta"> <div class="article-date">October 4, 2012 at 8:51 am by <a rel="author" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" title="Keith Collantine">Keith Collantine</a></div> <div class="article-comments"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/#comments" class="comments-link" title="Comment on Michael Schumacher announces second F1 retirement">152 comments</a> </div> </div> <div class="entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/2012-japanese-grand-prix-thursday-pictures/merc-schu-suzu-2012-6/" rel="attachment wp-att-64895"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/merc-schu-suzu-2012-6-470x313.jpg" alt="Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Suzuka, 2012" title="Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Suzuka, 2012" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-64895"/></a><a title="Michael Schumacher" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/michael-schumacher/">Michael Schumacher</a> has confirmed he will retire from F1 for the second time at the end of 2012.</p> <p>“I have decided to retire from Formula One at the end of the season, although I am still able to compete with the best drivers of the world,” said Schumacher in a statement released today.</p> <p>“This is something that makes me proud, and this is part of why I never regretted my comeback. I can be happy with my performance and the fact that I was continuously raising my game during the last three years. But then, at some point it is time to say goodbye.</p> <p>“Already during the past weeks and months I was not sure if I would still have the motivation and energy which is necessary to go on; and it is not my style to do anything which I am not 100% convinced about. With today’s decision I feel released from those doubts.</p> <p>“In the end, it is not my ambition to just drive around but to fight for victories; and the pleasure of driving is nourished by competitiveness.”</p> <h3>“We did not achieve our goal”</h3> <p>“I have said at the end of 2009 that I want to be measured by my success,” added Schumacher, “and this is why I had a lot of criticism in the past three years which partly was justified. It is without doubt that we did not achieve our goal to develop a world championship fighting car within those three years. It is also without doubt that I cannot provide a long term perspective to anyone.”</p> <p>“But then it is also clear that I can still be very happy about my overall achievements in Formula One.</p> <p>“In the past six years I have learned a lot, also about me, and I am thankful for it: for example, that you can open yourself up without losing focus. That losing can be both more difficult and more instructive than winning; something I had lost out of sight sometimes in earlier years. That you have to appreciate to be able to do what you love. That you have to live your convictions. I have opened my horizon, and I am at ease with myself.</p> <p>“I would like to thank Daimler, Mercedes-Benz and the Team for their trust. But I also would like to thank all my friends, partners and companions, who over many good years in motorsport supported me. But most of all I would like to thank my family for standing always by my side, giving me the freedom to live my convictions and sharing my joy.”</p> <h3>“He is the greatest Formula One driver”</h3> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/06/24/2012-european-grand-prix-pictures/motorsports-fia-formula-one-world-championship-2012-grand-prix-of-europe-42/" rel="attachment wp-att-61517"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/y-merc-schu-vale-2012-5-302x470.jpg" alt="Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Valencia, 2012" title="Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Valencia, 2012" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-61517"/></a>Schumacher originally retired from F1 at the end of 2006, then returned with Mercedes in 2010. His place at the team has been taken by <a title="Lewis Hamilton" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/lewis-hamilton/">Lewis Hamilton</a> for 2013.</p> <p><a title="Mercedes" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-information/f1-teams/mercedes/">Mercedes</a> team principal Ross Brawn said it was an “emotional day” as Schumacher made public his decision.</p> <p>“We have enjoyed so many experiences together during our time at Benetton, Ferrari and Mercedes, and I feel very proud, honoured and privileged to have had the opportunity to work with Michael so<br/> closely.</p> <p>“In my opinion, he is the greatest Formula One driver, and the records which he holds in our sport speak volumes for his success and commitment. On behalf of everyone at our Silver Arrows team, we wish Michael all the best with his future plans and extend our sincere thanks to him for his commitment, passion and hard work during our three years together.</p> <p>“We have not achieved the results that we would have wished during this time; however Michael’s contribution to our development and the future of our team has been significant. Whatever Michael decides to do next, I am sure that he will be keeping a close eye on our progress in the years to come.”</p> <p>Mercedes-Benz Motorsport vice president Norbert Haug said: “Michael began his professional racing career in 1989 <a href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/23/michael-schumacher-the-mercedes-years/" title="Michael Schumacher: The Mercedes years">as a member of the Mercedes Junior Team in Group C Prototypes</a>, and he will conclude it at the end of this season with our Mercedes AMG Petronas Silver Arrows works team, as he informed first us and then the international media today.</p> <p>“Michael did a fantastic job during the build-up phase of our still-young Silver Arrows works team and, although we have not yet achieved our targets in our third season, Michael’s invaluable hard work has established the foundations for future success. For this, we give him our thanks and recognition.</p> <p>“All of us in the team – and first and foremost Michael – are working hard to have six more races in which we can show a respectable level of performance together. 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There’s a slight of sad feeling Michael finally retires from F1 altogether, yet on the other hand I’m quite sure many people, regardless they’re the fans of Schumacher or not, don’t want to see him suffer any longer in a car that is not winning.</p> <p>So long, Michael. All the best.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075851#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075851", "1075851", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-keithcollantine bypostauthor even depth-3" id="comment-1075863"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1/cf2b80881ec29f3d7a7c3e63ed49c6bc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-1-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Keith Collantine</a> (@keithcollantine) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075863"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:17</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <blockquote><p>a car that is not winning.</p></blockquote> <p>Except in his team mate’s hands.</p> <p>And let’s not forget Schumacher’s ‘phantom pole’ at Monaco either. The W03 may not be an MP4-27, but it is a race-winner.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075863#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075863", "1075863", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1075912"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/54b53bcb6aacb8aed7669d703accaf85?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Himmat said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075912"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:07</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Really Keith, that coming from you? Mercedes were good in the first 3 races, and come on form in Monaco (or maybe it was just their drivers showing exceptional skill there). All things said, I cannot see where Michael could have won in the past 3 years. The first 3 races of the year, when the car was actually decent, Schumacher was let down by the team. Pointless jibe there, Keith.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075912#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075912", "1075912", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-dmc even depth-5" id="comment-1075921"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dmc/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/878f22e948bb3d72d07737c7bc045d21?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-59557-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dmc/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">DMC</a> (@dmc) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075921"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:28</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Agreed!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-optimaximal odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1075941"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/optimaximal/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/7b156e977dd2b28c0270468a41b71724?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-63315-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/optimaximal/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Optimaximal</a> (@optimaximal) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075941"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 11:02</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Maybe not wins, but there have been several podiums lost through reliability issues or just stupidity (on his or the teams part).</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-keithcollantine bypostauthor even depth-5" id="comment-1075951"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1/cf2b80881ec29f3d7a7c3e63ed49c6bc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-1-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Keith Collantine</a> (@keithcollantine) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075951"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 11:21</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>It was not a “jibe”, I was simply pointing out the car has won a race this year so it’s incorrect to say it’s not a “winning” car.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-dafffid odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1075954"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dafffid/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/8a4d4a96be174fc6ab5f91a4318128e5?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-28242-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dafffid/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Dafffid</a> (@dafffid) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075954"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 11:27</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>The W03 is a race winner – that’s a hard cold fact, not a jibe. </p> <p>But if we wish to engage in speculation, had it been in the hands of Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton, shaving a tenth or two off in qualifying and staying clear of midfield trouble, putting in blinding laps when they counted, staying out of trouble when it mattered, how many podiums might Mercedes have had this year? We will never know, but I’d bet my house that Alonso would have taken it into the top five in the standings at least. And Ross Brawn – one of Schumi’s dearest friends – clearly agrees that his cars need better handling.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-krss77 even depth-5" id="comment-1075962"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/krss77/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/27672/73d6e2048e2aadc81bf7ee9d0477828a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-27672-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/krss77/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Odinsthor</a> (@krss77) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075962"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 11:36</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>“Schumi would have already won three races this year with Sauber,” said Fernando Alonso…..nothing more to say Keith, that how good opinion have W03.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1075974"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/48f2c379f1de78767da9b02e4260545c?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Suheim said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075974"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 12:05</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Agreed!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-jorgelardone even depth-5" id="comment-1076124"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jorgelardone/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/60870/df22ae868e5209d01047d33c841d8d29-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-60870-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jorgelardone/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jorge Lardone</a> (@jorgelardone) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076124"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 17:47</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Agreed!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1076134"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/58636ed78d59ac0eebacf21471a5ce84?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Rises said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076134"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 18:11</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Agreed and Fernando Alonso said it best. No matter all the non believer think i agree with Brawn he is the greatest driver. Seeing him drive the cars in all of his career just show his greatness. His name is synonymous to Formula 1</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-girts even depth-4" id="comment-1075920"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/girts/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/20536/e6d9a23d03079826fcb0c285d73f5f52-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-20536-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/girts/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Girts</a> (@girts) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075920"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:27</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yes, and I think it’s worth to remember that Rosberg outperformed Schumacher when the car was at its best, namely, in China. And, while the car problems were to blame for his retirement at Monaco, Schumacher himself was responsible for starting from 6th instead of the pole position.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075920#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075920", "1075920", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="20536" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-dmc odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1075922"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dmc/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/878f22e948bb3d72d07737c7bc045d21?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-59557-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dmc/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">DMC</a> (@dmc) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075922"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:29</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Only in china.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-dvc even depth-4" id="comment-1075935"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dvc/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/907711fd21f8986526dc3cd2257dfb48?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-28043-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dvc/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">DVC</a> (@dvc) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075935"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:52</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>The car was capable of winning for a brief period, but it is clearly not capable of it now.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075935#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075935", "1075935", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="28043" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-dvc odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1075940"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dvc/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/907711fd21f8986526dc3cd2257dfb48?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-28043-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/dvc/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">DVC</a> (@dvc) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075940"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:57</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>And I think it is worth pointing out that the race Rosberg won was the one where Schumacer retired because they didn’t screw the wheel on properly at the first pit-stop. It’s a bit harsh to deem Schumacher’s performance in his come back a failure on the basis of a third of a race.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075940#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075940", "1075940", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="28043" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie even depth-5" id="comment-1076018"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076018"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 13:50</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>The race NR won had him pulling away from MS right from the getgo. If I take anything away from these last 3 years it is that MS isn’t the genius car developer that he was credited for at Ferrari where he had unlimited testing and resources and his own car. Merc still sits a distant 5th in the WCC, in spite of them having a race winning car. If he is going to be given such accolades for his work at Ferrari, then where were the results at Merc? Merc (BrawnGP) had won a recent WDC, unlike Ferrari who was in a 16 year WDC drought at the time MS joined.<br/> So the fact they still sit 5th in the WDC, the fact that MS has had more lows than highs in these 3 years (the usual bullying of some drivers like RB, the lost front wings on several occasions last season, the incidents this season) proves to me furthermore how good he had it, hand over fist, at Ferrari, and without all those advantages he has been ragged and handcuffed to do anything but have the odd fleeting better moment. For him to say he has shown he can compete with the drivers of today is I think debatable…sure, on occasion that has been the case, but certainly not consistantly, and given where he sits in the standings and where he ended up last year and the year before, I think it is fair to say he hasn’t competed with todays crew. He hasn’t advanced the car, he has one podium in 3 years, he has been badly outpointed by his teammate 3 years running which is also unprecedented (see what happens when a teammate of his actually has a fair chance to compete against him?). And yes he has had unreliability, but so have others and when you balance things out MS has only had a few more technical issues than the likes of SV and LH and yet look where he sits.</p> <p>I think it remains true what Reubens said upon hearing of MS’s return to F1…”he has more to lose than to gain.” and I think what he has lost is some shine off the apple because he has shown that it wasn’t all him in the Ferrari haydays…it was a lot to do with the massive advantages he had back then too, so different has been the results from this stint in F1. It’s not all down to age and technical gremlins. Brawn had him as 2010 WDC. How the mighty have fallen. I agree that he has lost more than he has gained from this return and I’m just so so glad Brawn didn’t load up his side of the garage like MS had it at Ferrari such that we were able to see the true colours of MS having a teammate unintimidated and unaffected by a designated number one on the team.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-rbalonso odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1076035"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/rbalonso/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/27797/815257ded86f4a83842d773b8d341c5d-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-27797-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/rbalonso/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">RBAlonso</a> (@rbalonso) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076035"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:14</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow">@robbie</a> I think that if anyone thought that Ferrari became the force they were due to one person then they both underestimate and devalue the sport. Schumacher won the races because he had the best team. He brought the right people to Ferrari and had time to develop it perfectly. His seasons before the 2000′s are far more impressive to me than what he did after the turn of the century. Arguably, the opposition was the weakest for the decade before and since. These factors helped him win races and championships by miles but in all probability even if all other competitors were on the top of their game for years, MS would still probably have beaten them. I was no great fan of his but can pick out on average 2 races a season where no-one could touch him. and by that I mean no-one ever. That is a phenomenal return. For me Senna, Clark and Fangio will always be better but no-one can belittle his achievements, on his day he was amazing. Comparing 97 or 98 schumi against his current self is completely pointless, by 2006 he was past it. There were great races but not of the same calibre they were before. His return has been average but it doesn’t prove he was a fraud in his first career, it only proves F1 is a young mans game which requires absolute dedication which, quite rightly, he can no longer give.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie even depth-5" id="comment-1076040"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076040"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:28</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>@rbalonso…fair enough and I’m sure many would agree with your stance. I personally believe through and through that he had more advantages hand over fist than any other driver in the history of F1, and the numbers reflect that. I think that given a bonefide top level teammate which would have provided him with physical competition on the track in a car built for both drivers not one, and the psychological affect a bonefide teammate would have had on him on and off the track, and competition at the top of their game as you suggest, he woud have not had nearly the numbers he compiled and we would have found him much more ragged and rattled when all the ducks weren’t line up in a row.</p> <p>It’s silly to deny the run he had, but I think it is crucial to appreciate the massive effort that went behind him in order to compile those numbers. And on top of that, going back to his whack on DH in 94, I have never been able to garner respect for his tactics on the track all the while having those massive advantages.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-maksutov odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1076045"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/maksutov/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/6377/6563035b24d7aaa10f2220c67ce6dc9c-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-6377-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/maksutov/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Maksutov</a> (@maksutov) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076045"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:35</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <blockquote><p> Except in his team mate’s hands.</p> <p>And let’s not forget Schumacher’s ‘phantom pole’ at Monaco either. The W03 may not be an MP4-27, but it is a race-winner.</p></blockquote> <p>No offence intended, but sounds a bit immature there <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow">@keithcollantine</a></p> <p>Sure the car has won once with “team mate’s” hands, but clearly Schumacher has proven that he was not necessarily slower than Rosberg . On the end of the day Mercedes has not been competitive enough for nether of the drivers .</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076045#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076045", "1076045", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="6377" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-joepa even depth-5" id="comment-1076145"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/joepa/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/13bff8c1da1d0b4996690e6445962567?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-66120-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/joepa/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Joe Papp</a> (@joepa) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076145"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 18:51</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>agreed. the petty, gleeful sniping and snark is mystifying.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-jcost odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1076058"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jcost/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/53965/01daab17f6040d8bdad2c663fb007608-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-53965-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jcost/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">JCost</a> (@jcost) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076058"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:52</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Well said.</p> <p>That would be his due win.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076058#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076058", "1076058", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="53965" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment even depth-4" id="comment-1076059"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/f5c90f76bb2946b79195484d1679d9b1?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> uctq said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076059"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:52</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow">@keithcollantine</a></p> <blockquote><p><em>a car that is not winning.</em></p> <p>Except in his team mate’s hands.</p></blockquote> <p>It is incorrect to say that the car is winning. Winning implies the present tense. The car has won; past tense. It’s a complete misrepresentation of the original poster’s sentiments to talking in the present tense and say that the car is winning is Schumacher’s teammates hands. </p> <p>The car won once, around six months ago; past tense.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076059#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076059", "1076059", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-keithcollantine bypostauthor odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1076088"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1/cf2b80881ec29f3d7a7c3e63ed49c6bc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-1-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Keith Collantine</a> (@keithcollantine) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076088"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 15:25</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>“The Mercedes W03 is a winning car” is a correct statement. It won the Chinese Grand Prix.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-newdecade even depth-4" id="comment-1076101"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/newdecade/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e89e60b79f02ac97a0dbfa64b523f0f5?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-60958-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/newdecade/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Tom</a> (@newdecade) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076101"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 16:03</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>The W03 <strong><em>was </em></strong>a race winning car. It is no longer. Extremely different things. But the whole argument is academic; point is that the car was <em>never</em> a consistent, competitive platform from which to win races regularly. There can be no implication that Nico’s solitary win is evidence that MS patently failed to perform.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076101#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076101", "1076101", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="60958" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-ming-mong odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1076029"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/50015/09bc4dc781e279169df591a07f6974b8-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-50015-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">mingmong</a> (@ming-mong) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076029"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:00</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>A nice twist of words… <em>“not a winning car”</em> or <em>“a car that is not winning”</em> are not the same.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076029#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076029", "1076029", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="50015" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment even depth-4" id="comment-1076057"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/52527aa73b5a7346b8beca9008639801?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> RizkyWins said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076057"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:51</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>LOL at above comments hahaha</p> <p>Look, my point was simple (plus I’m no F1 expert like Keith); Michael never really have won anything since his comeback in 2010. The Mercedes W-something he drives is a ‘differently-set up’ car from Rosberg’s, which has won something. </p> <p>An article I’ve read stated that two cars on one team is never really alike. The setups differ one car to another. So maybe Rosberg has the winning-set up car, but Michael doesn’t. So Michael’s car is not winning.</p> <p>Now please excuse me because I have to do my math homework. :p</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076057#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076057", "1076057", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1076067"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076067"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 15:05</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I get the little back and forth here about a winning car vs. a car that is not winning, but I think in fairness to Keith it is a fact that the car has won a race in NR’s hands and that MS achieved a pole time in Monaco. And I extend that to mean that in the remaining races this season the car/team could win again…it has proven to be capable of winning a race this year, just as another team/driver may yet win this season that hasn’t yet.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-scuderiavincero even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075839"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/scuderiavincero/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/39038/36eaf88d83c3f12c839c78c925ffd196-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-39038-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/scuderiavincero/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">ScuderiaVincero</a> (@scuderiavincero) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075839"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 8:53</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>All the best for the future Michael, or shall I say, Red Baron :)</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075839#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075839", "1075839", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="39038" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-tdog odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075842"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/tdog/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/c0ecfe9998bf3735be2e4003f973e882?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=50&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-66141-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/tdog/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Tyler</a> (@tdog) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075842"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 8:56</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Wow. Like Hamilton’s switch, it seemed likely in the lead-up to the announcement, but still the actual confirmation is a bit of a shock.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075842#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075842", "1075842", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="66141" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075843"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/28c38a2b94cf01314beb232b71012ac1?s=50&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D50&r=G" class="avatar avatar-50 photo" height="50" width="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> davros said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075843"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 8:58</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>yay!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075843#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075843", "1075843", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-eggry odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075844"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/eggry/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/20074/22d783b729df6ba1531b09f5e02b137a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-20074-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/eggry/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Eggry</a> (@eggry) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075844"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 8:59</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>This is the best for Schumacher. Still it makes me sad there’s no place for him even if he wants to continue…</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075844#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075844", "1075844", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="20074" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-magon4 even depth-2" id="comment-1075845"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/magon4/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/27805/37440e585c5a93d8eebad40aee96fa44-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-27805-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/magon4/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">magon4</a> (@magon4) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075845"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:00</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I think there was place. He just didn’t want to go there.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075845#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075845", "1075845", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="27805" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-thejudge13 odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1075982"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/thejudge13/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ab3f2980a049c9203e65ddc2d0921e27?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-60560-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/thejudge13/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">thejudge13</a> (@thejudge13) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075982"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 12:31</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Schumacher:</p> <p>“Whatever comes after, we will see. There is no point or any need to find any decisions right now, and I will do it exactly as I did it the first time, although I didn’t at that time think there was a second time but here we are, which is to focus and finish 100 per cent on what I do.”</p> <p>“There is no more to say about this. I have options obviously yes, and you know some of the options. But whatever they will be, we will decide when the time is there.”</p> <p>Another comeback?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075982#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075982", "1075982", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="60560" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-jcost even depth-2" id="comment-1076062"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jcost/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/53965/01daab17f6040d8bdad2c663fb007608-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-53965-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jcost/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">JCost</a> (@jcost) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076062"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:56</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>As a fan I think that’s the best call. Like Ross Brawn and stats say, he’s the greatest ever.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076062#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076062", "1076062", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="53965" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-joepa odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1076146"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/joepa/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/13bff8c1da1d0b4996690e6445962567?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-66120-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/joepa/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Joe Papp</a> (@joepa) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076146"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 18:54</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>He can still drive in other events/series for fun, no? Just no more in F1 at the pinnacle of motorsport. I’d be ok w/ that – seeing Schumacher competing “for fun” (but still to win) every now and again while enjoying those tens and tens of millions of euros earned over a phenomenal career.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076146#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076146", "1076146", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="66120" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-me262 even depth-3" id="comment-1076238"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/me262/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/63382/6672fa82add05c096544b149ecdef9ce-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-63382-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/me262/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jono</a> (@me262) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076238"><span class="time-since">5th October 2012, 0:57</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I dont think statistics give you a definitive conclusion on the ‘who is the greatest’ argument. Michael Schumacher’s stats say that <em> he was the greatest driver to dominate his generation</em>. Dosent make him the greatest</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076238#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076238", "1076238", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="63382" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-cyclops_pl odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075846"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/cyclops_pl/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/26028/8a136a1bcb9c45483f61569044aec757-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-26028-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/cyclops_pl/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Cyclops_PL</a> (@cyclops_pl) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075846"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:00</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I still think the 2010 comeback was a mistake and he only damaged his legendary status. Please, Michael, don’t change your mind again.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075846#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075846", "1075846", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="26028" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-mariano even depth-2" id="comment-1075896"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/mariano/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/61533/b1b902a5bce8a196a28bced602518b45-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-61533-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/mariano/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Mariano</a> (@mariano) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075896"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:44</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>+ 1</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075896#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075896", "1075896", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="61533" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-sorin odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1076004"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/sorin/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b04f5ab484bde4bbe32b1ef9a74e9f37?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-31013-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/sorin/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">sorin</a> (@sorin) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076004"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 13:28</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I think a legend is creating on facts. So how is possible “to damage a legendary status” by acheiving new records(few, not so import, but still records), like Schumacher did in these 3 years. A legend will be remember by statistics, to be exacly.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076004#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076004", "1076004", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="31013" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-1075960"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6625e823b85d556e143970b8e98ec72e?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Chris27 said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075960"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 11:34</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>+1111111</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075960#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075960", "1075960", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1075995"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/90ebf38004757cfd6bbb8e59d4d21ae4?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Mr Weasel said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075995"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 13:04</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Er, how has he ‘damaged’ his reputation? He has still won the same number of championships and races – those achievements are not lessened, are they? OK, so he wasn’t as good as he was 15 or 10 years ago, but what did everyone expect? Overall showed himself to be competitive at a very advanced aged for a modern sportsman – and there’s no shame in that.</p> <p>Incidentally, his statement above shows a lot of class and dignity. Modesty and self-awareness are no qualities he excelled in in previous years and in that, if nothing else, he deserves credit.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075995#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075995", "1075995", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie even depth-3" id="comment-1076024"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076024"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 13:54</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>“but what did everyone expect?”</p> <p>Brawn had him as 2010 WDC, and most people were giving him a mere handful of races before he was up to speed.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076024#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076024", "1076024", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="35992" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1076075"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/90ebf38004757cfd6bbb8e59d4d21ae4?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Mr Weasel said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076075"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 15:14</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>‘Brawn had him as 2010 WDC’</p> <p>Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he? It’s just PR talk; it’s not a realistic assessment of expectations.</p> <p>The point is, MS came back at the age of 40+. He wasn’t as good as before, and at times drove poorly. But on the other hand, he’s still one of the best 10 or so drivers on the grid. Like I say, there’s no shame there.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076075#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076075", "1076075", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie even depth-5" id="comment-1076090"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076090"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 15:38</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I disagree…I don’t think Brawn would have said that as mere PR talk. I think he believed it and expected it. And most of his fans were right in there with RB on that and were expecting him to be on form in no time.</p> <p>I also think that if age is to be used as an excuse, then he should not have returned. I think MS was the same as before, only without the massive advantages. He was prone to bullying before, and he did that on his return. He was prone to mental errors before, when all the ducks weren’t line up in a row and he has certainly had at least as many of those as any other driver in the last 3 years.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-leotef odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1076056"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/leotef/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/2f50596c0ee40f16cdc050438e195b9a?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-22901-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/leotef/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">leotef</a> (@leotef) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076056"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:50</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Got one more +</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076056#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076056", "1076056", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="22901" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-gr1mr4kn3ss even depth-2" id="comment-1076118"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/gr1mr4kn3ss/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/385bbe090ec4529ae58dddc3cab79854?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-38944-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/gr1mr4kn3ss/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">gr1mr4kn3ss</a> (@gr1mr4kn3ss) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076118"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 16:56</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>From what I can remember, Schumi actually had more “haters” than supporters back in 2010. People would regularly remind us about his “semi legal” deeds on the track and how his status as n1 in Ferrari got him the titles and not him actually being that good. I’ve read these posts on different forums and I don’t mind that people have their opinions. But the thing is here, if you were a team boss and you had the opportunity to test as much as you want and even give one driver the better car, which one of those would you give it to? The one that’s not as good as the other? Even if its an extremely small margin. So I guess I’m trying to say is – he got the status and the help from the team because they believed he could achieve more with that N1 status. Which i really think he did with the 6 WCC and 5 WDC. </p> <p>Now, after his second retirement, people (from what I’ve read and understood from posts) like him a lot more than before his comeback. And as a post before me said, what he has achieved cannot be undone. The records still stand to this day so I don’t really think he ruined his reputation, if anything, he just added to his “legendary” status something that we couldn’t see much in his winning years – humility and knowing how to take defeats.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076118#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076118", "1076118", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="38944" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-me262 odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1076236"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/me262/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/63382/6672fa82add05c096544b149ecdef9ce-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-63382-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/me262/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jono</a> (@me262) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076236"><span class="time-since">5th October 2012, 0:52</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I dont know about ruining his reputation, i think that was ruined many years ago xD what he did do certainly was decrease his wins vs races attempted ratio (not that statistics tells us who was the greatest ever anyway)</p> <p>give one driver the better car aye….I would give it to the better driver; Mika Hakkinen xDxDxDxDxD</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076236#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076236", "1076236", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="63382" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-gr1mr4kn3ss even depth-4" id="comment-1076255"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/gr1mr4kn3ss/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/385bbe090ec4529ae58dddc3cab79854?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-38944-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/gr1mr4kn3ss/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">gr1mr4kn3ss</a> (@gr1mr4kn3ss) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076255"><span class="time-since">5th October 2012, 2:19</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Too bad “McLaren did give the better car to Mika”…. :(</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076255#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076255", "1076255", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="38944" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1076537"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076537"><span class="time-since">5th October 2012, 16:42</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/gr1mr4kn3ss/" rel="nofollow">@gr1mr4kn3ss</a> …the problem I have with a team designating a driver as number 1 ala MS/Ferrari is when it is done by contract, and starts from race 1 of each season, such that there is no racing between two drivers on a top team. Which then means they go ahead a build the car for that designated driver. Which no longer makes it an apples to apples comparison to the rest of the field unless the other teams follow suit. That to me takes away hugely from what is supposed to be the pinnacle of racing. What Ferrari did with MS was to me not honourable and not respecting the viewing audience. Patrick Head used this phrase…”What a shame they forego the spirit of racing for the sake of share value.”</p> <p>I would far prefer the opposite scenario ala Senna/Prost at Mac. Sure it gave the team fits, and it is harder on a team when two gladiators are duking it out and taking points off each other. But that’s supposed to be what we pay to see. At Mac in that era they won all but one race that year, so you got to be pretty convinced as the later races of the season approached that a Mac would win…you just didn’t know which driver it would be, and that was thrilling. I found nothing thrilling about seeing MS getting everything his way, including not one iota of true competition, physically or mentally, from his teammate. And that is just one example of the many advantages he had compared to the true greats who had much more adverse conditions under which to win their WDC(s).</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076537#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076537", "1076537", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="35992" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-journeyer even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075847"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/journeyer/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/28/0a30bb3d97a146e47f574f8d9774087c-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-28-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/journeyer/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Journeyer</a> (@journeyer) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075847"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:00</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>All for the best, I’m sure. I think there were offers for him elsewhere, but he’s decided (quite rightly) that he shouldn’t just be there to make up the numbers.</p> <p>Danke, Michael. Thank you for everything.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075847#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075847", "1075847", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="28" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1075881"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/7f0f9ec60179a93dd2a96bfc6a8256ec?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> TheManyHamiltons said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075881"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:29</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <blockquote><p>All for the best</p></blockquote> <p>he really shud have gone down, but down the road of forming his own team. I mean, what is he going to with close to a billion dollars of money anyway!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075881#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075881", "1075881", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-journeyer even depth-3" id="comment-1075890"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/journeyer/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/28/0a30bb3d97a146e47f574f8d9774087c-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-28-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/journeyer/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Journeyer</a> (@journeyer) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075890"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:39</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I don’t think he has THAT much money. Am guessing it’s closer to half a billion. I think it’s better off being in the bank than in F1, given how F1 just eats money for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Still, don’t be surprised if he still ends up buying a stake in an F1 team in the future (Sauber, post-Mercedes Brackley, or otherwise).</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075890#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075890", "1075890", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="28" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-colossal-squid odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1076065"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/colossal-squid/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/60742/8b10631e3721450d754e85d98b988e5e-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-60742-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/colossal-squid/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Colossal Squid</a> (@colossal-squid) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076065"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 15:01</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>This article states that he was the first sportsperson to become a billionaire.</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/oct/23/formulaone.sport" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/oct/23/formulaone.sport</a></p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076065#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076065", "1076065", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="60742" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-girts even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075849"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/girts/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/20536/e6d9a23d03079826fcb0c285d73f5f52-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-20536-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/girts/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Girts</a> (@girts) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075849"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:02</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I think it’s the right decision. Schumacher was never sure if he really wanted to continue.</p> <p>There is an interesting interview with him in the latest issue of F1 Racing. He admits that the current tyres still irritate him so I think that maybe the current regulations have contributed to his decision. On the other hand, he says he has never thought about setting up his own team and has no other future goals, too. I wonder what he’s going to do next then.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075849#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075849", "1075849", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="20536" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-wasif1 odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075850"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/wasif1/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/5574/af3fe4d29e10485f61e89e15c619fbe5-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-5574-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/wasif1/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">wasiF1</a> (@wasif1) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075850"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:02</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Though I knew it was coming but am sad, his second phase wasn’t the best,hope he comes up with something great in the next 6 races,you will be missed.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075850#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075850", "1075850", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="5574" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-slr even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075852"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/slr/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/8481/3d72b1a4e64ebab928856953b0e2347e-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-8481-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/slr/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Slr</a> (@slr) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075852"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:03</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I’m sad to hear this, but it had to happen eventually. Schumacher for me is the greatest ever. I hope he goes out in style like he did in 2006.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075852#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075852", "1075852", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="8481" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-claudioff odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1076139"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/claudioff/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/8d66929ae81bf066b422c837cbce1a1c?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-25979-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/claudioff/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">claudioff</a> (@claudioff) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076139"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 18:26</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I agree. It’s a shame that he has to retire like this. One of the most memorable race for me was Interlagos 2006, his “last race”. He had a lot of problems including a puncture which cause him to see the entire field move past him. But then, he rejoined the race and finished fourth scoring the fastest lap in the process. This was a farewell worthy of his career.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076139#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076139", "1076139", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="25979" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-zecks even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075853"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/zecks/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/40573/bea0cf2de3b5ee1e82996bb9c0f1d0b2-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-40573-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/zecks/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Zecks</a> (@zecks) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075853"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:06</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>so what are the odds on Schumacher to win le mans 2013?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075853#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075853", "1075853", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="40573" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-keithcollantine bypostauthor odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1075862"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1/cf2b80881ec29f3d7a7c3e63ed49c6bc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-1-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Keith Collantine</a> (@keithcollantine) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075862"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:15</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/zecks/" rel="nofollow">@zecks</a> I would say zero. He <a href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/23/michael-schumacher-the-mercedes-years/" rel="nofollow">did Le Mans in 1991</a> and apparently considers it too unsafe.</p> <p>A pity, because I’d like to see him continue racing at the top flight and the World Endurance Championship would be a great place for him.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075862#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075862", "1075862", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-1075882"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/7f0f9ec60179a93dd2a96bfc6a8256ec?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> TheManyHamiltons said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075882"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:30</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>how ’bout 20/12? ;-)</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075882#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075882", "1075882", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-ajokay odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075854"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ajokay/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/2128/e3a5b405356a0b3dd6d8b2b57dd8a339-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-2128-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ajokay/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">ajokay</a> (@ajokay) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075854"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:08</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I do hope he doesn’t disappear like last time (aside from the odd sporadic motorcycle race). He’s clearly still incredibly able and fast enough. There are guys out there 20 years older than him racing and winning in LMP and GT cars. He could (and should) easily become a sportscar legend.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075854#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075854", "1075854", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="2128" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-keeleyobsessed even depth-2" id="comment-1075857"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keeleyobsessed/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/39296/5731f912eb8bd3a5e87840b79391d6f6-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-39296-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keeleyobsessed/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">KeeleyObsessed</a> (@keeleyobsessed) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075857"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:11</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ajokay/" rel="nofollow">@ajokay</a> He has already raced in Le Mans in 1991 (For Sauber, ironically enough) but looking at what he was doing, despite being considerably faster than the other drivers, he couldn’t make the car last 24 hours… I agree that he shouldn’t disappear though, I started watching F1 in 2002 so he was the first driver I really knew, it’ll be a shame to see him go again..</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075857#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075857", "1075857", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="39296" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-spawinte odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1075894"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/spawinte/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ee39a16a9ff7434545e19a7568d67092?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-6101-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/spawinte/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Spawinte</a> (@spawinte) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075894"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:42</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Much like modern F1 cars LMP and GT cars have become extremely reliable in mechanical terms. Audi and Peugeot pretty much drove endurance races like GPs in the last few years when they went head to head. He could just hop in and push like mad, only thing is he’d have to find a compromise setup with whoever he shares the car with.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075894#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075894", "1075894", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="6101" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bascb even depth-2" id="comment-1075875"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16036/e38ca0c3ce4ada4341bbd088d580aab0-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-16036-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">BasCB</a> (@bascb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075875"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:27</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I fully agree with that <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ajokay/" rel="nofollow">@ajokay</a>, it would be great if he could go and hit the endurance tracks in a push take the string GT wins from Ferrari and then be part of Mercedes joining the LMP field with the same F1 engine in a prototype.<br/> Its an area where testing is still allowed and he really could make a difference and ad to his racing legacy.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075875#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075875", "1075875", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16036" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bullfrog odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075856"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bullfrog/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/10892/4e7367686736fc69dfc9771bfef1394c-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-10892-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bullfrog/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Bullfrog</a> (@bullfrog) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075856"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:09</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>It’s rather sad if he’s been pushed into retirement for the second time – I hope he at least gets to finish on a high note, like his charging drive in Brazil in 2006. It’s a pity he didn’t announce his retirement first, before McLaren and Mercedes were ready to tell the world they’d signed Perez and Hamilton. I guess that’s typical of the way he hasn’t quite looked in control of everything during his comeback.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075856#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075856", "1075856", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="10892" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bascb even depth-2" id="comment-1075879"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16036/e38ca0c3ce4ada4341bbd088d580aab0-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-16036-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">BasCB</a> (@bascb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075879"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:29</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I really don’t think its him being pushed this time, or maybe just given the final push he needed. </p> <p>If you look at what he says, it shows he really made a development from being a ruthless success machine to becoming a human being, a complete person.</p> <blockquote><p>“In the past six years I have learned a lot, also about me, and I am thankful for it: for example, that you can open yourself up without losing focus. That losing can be both more difficult and more instructive than winning; something I had lost out of sight sometimes in earlier years. That you have to appreciate to be able to do what you love. That you have to live your convictions. I have opened my horizon, and I am at ease with myself.</p></blockquote> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075879#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075879", "1075879", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16036" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-colossal-squid odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1076069"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/colossal-squid/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/60742/8b10631e3721450d754e85d98b988e5e-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-60742-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/colossal-squid/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Colossal Squid</a> (@colossal-squid) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076069"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 15:06</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yeah I thought that was a very nice touch by Schumi. I think that the incident with Barrichello at Hungary in 2010 aside, we’ve gone from seeing Schumacher the ruthless competitor in his first career to Schumacher the sportsperson and ambassador in his second. It’s a nice mellowing!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076069#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076069", "1076069", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="60742" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-tophercheese21 even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1075859"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/tophercheese21/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/63582/9868722b2d74b6c45f9d5c715e32fd47-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-63582-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/tophercheese21/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Chris</a> (@tophercheese21) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075859"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:14</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I never thought i’d blink twice at this announcement. But now that it’s happened, i’m genuinely sad. I really hope we see him in the F1 garages and in the paddock for a long time to come.</p> <p>A true icon & Hero</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075859#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075859", "1075859", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="63582" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-prisoner-monkeys odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1075860"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/10605/74136710624b9aafc78a7d146a908b5d-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-10605-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Prisoner Monkeys</a> (@prisoner-monkeys) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075860"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:14</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Looking back over the past three years, I have to ask: was it worth it?</p> <p>When Schumacher retired at the end of 2006, he clearly wasn’t done with the sport. He probably had another two seasons in him, especially if he had been partnered with Massa, rather than Raikkonen. I think he left too soon, and he stayed out too long. His comeback has had its good moments – scoring points in his first race back, a podium in Valencia, his qualifying lap at Monaco – but they were few and far between, and the effect enven further diluted by constant menchanical faults and a series of rookie errors, particularly this year. Unfortunately, I think history will remember both his retirements as coming at low points in his career: the first came when he cruelly lost the title to Alonso with an engine failure at Suzuka, and the second coming during a lacklustre and inconsistent season.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075860#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075860", "1075860", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="10605" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-1075885"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/7f0f9ec60179a93dd2a96bfc6a8256ec?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> TheManyHamiltons said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075885"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:35</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <blockquote><p>I think history will remember both his retirements as coming at low points</p></blockquote> <p>no sympathies from my side! bcoz to even reach this page of his history book, one has to go through the other pages of his ‘highest-this’ and ‘most-that entries’, which would make this(retirement faux pas) just a fine print buried among the larger phrases!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075885#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075885", "1075885", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-adam-tate odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1075897"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/adam-tate/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/26144/52ab6d468974ca4da02d83b1cf57a312-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-26144-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/adam-tate/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Adam Tate</a> (@adam-tate) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075897"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 9:46</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <blockquote><p>When Schumacher retired at the end of 2006, he clearly wasn’t done with the sport. He probably had another two seasons in him, especially if he had been partnered with Massa, rather than Raikkonen. </p></blockquote> <p>I think you nailed it with that one PM.</p> <p>Schumacher sticking with Massa till 2008 would have been fantastic. I think Michael would have very likely won another championship, possibly helped Massa win in 08 and won at least another half dozen races or so for himself.</p> <p>If Ferrari had the chance to do it over again, I bet they would have kept Michael and Felipe on a few more seasons and then brought in Raikkonen and Alonso. A Raikkonen-Alonso partnership at Ferrari this season would be one-two in the WDC and give Ferrari a WCC to boot.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075897#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075897", "1075897", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="26144" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-girts even depth-2" id="comment-1075907"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/girts/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/20536/e6d9a23d03079826fcb0c285d73f5f52-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-20536-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/girts/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Girts</a> (@girts) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075907"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:01</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="nofollow">@prisoner-monkeys</a> I believe that, after many years, people won’t be talking much about these low points, just like we ain’t paying much attention to Nuvolari’s final years or Lauda’s 1985 season today.</p> <p>Schumacher’s 2nd career obviously turned out to be much less impressive than most people expected but it’s always easy to be critical with hindsight. It is what it is, I believe Schumacher shouldn’t have any regrets.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075907#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075907", "1075907", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="20536" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-prisoner-monkeys odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1075910"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/10605/74136710624b9aafc78a7d146a908b5d-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-10605-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Prisoner Monkeys</a> (@prisoner-monkeys) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075910"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 10:05</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Nuvolari and Lauda didn’t achieve the same things as Michael Schumacher. And nor were there things like Wikipedia back then, which records Schumacher’s results <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schumacher#Complete_Formula_One_results" rel="nofollow">in agonising detail</a>.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075910#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075910", "1075910", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="10605" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-nomadindian even depth-4" id="comment-1075950"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/nomadindian/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/12646/1f1dda8e96fb89615a677cc31e1d893a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-12646-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/nomadindian/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">NomadIndian</a> (@nomadindian) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075950"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 11:19</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>And an unfortunate record in those is that this season, he has already suffered the most number of retirements of any season in his career…</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075950#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075950", "1075950", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="12646" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-hosford90 odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1075986"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hosford90/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/1b3fee589608ea9309690deafdc92bfb?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-61877-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hosford90/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">James Hosford</a> (@hosford90) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1075986"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 12:38</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I agree about Nuvolari and Lauda. Even a comparatively modern driver like Damon Hill tends to remembered positively, for Suzuka 94, the 96, championship, Hungary 97, Belgium 98 etc, not for his frankly atrocious 99 and embarrassing ‘lack of motivation’ last race retirement in Suzuka.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1075986#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1075986", "1075986", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="61877" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-robbie even depth-2" id="comment-1076036"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/720b7724d55d047b4c340eb3df33b5c8?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-35992-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/robbie/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robbie</a> (@robbie) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-1076036"><span class="time-since">4th October 2012, 14:18</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>@PM… I think you’ve said a mouthful here…”He probably had another two seasons in him, especially if he had been partnered with Massa, rather than Raikkonen. I think he left too soon…”</p> <p>I don’t think it was MS’s choice, like you are (likely unintentionally) making it sound. I think it was then like it is now…ok Michael…enough is enough…it’s been great but it’s time for a change and we’re bringing in KR, a WDC level driver, like it or not. ie. Ferrari needed and wanted to move on and couldn’t keep sustaining the massive expenditures involved in doing it the MS/Ferrari way. I think he was pushed out, as evidenced by most people’s opinion that he retired too soon. I don’t think it was entirely up to him.</p> <p>Similar to today’s announcement…sure he might have announced his retirement anyway, that remains an unknown, but the fact that Merc announced MS’s replacement before MS had a chance to say anything, rings eerily true to how it was for him in 06 at Ferrari. We don’t know what you’re doing, but here’s what we’re doing…</p> <p>MS has been sheltered from having a WDC level teammate and it was never in the cards for him to have KR as one. Two more years at Ferrari with Massa wasn’t an option for the team but if it was, FM would not have been allowed to truly compete. And when he finally had a win-capable teammate unencumbered to compete against him, we have seen the results.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/?replytocom=1076036#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1076036", "1076036", "respond", "64860")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="35992" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ol> <div class="comment-navigation paged-navigation"> <span class="page-numbers current">1</span> <a class="page-numbers" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-2/#comments">2</a> <a class="page-numbers" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-3/#comments">3</a> <span class="page-numbers dots">…</span> <a class="page-numbers" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-5/#comments">5</a> <a class="next page-numbers" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/comment-page-2/#comments">Next »</a> </div> </div> <div id="respond"> <h3 id="reply-title">Add your comment <small><a rel="nofollow" id="cancel-comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/10/04/michael-schumacher-announces-f1-retirement/#respond" style="display:none;">Cancel this reply</a></small></h3> <form action="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-comments-post.php" method="post" id="commentform"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121007045356im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536?s=50" class="avatar avatar-50 photo avatar-default" height="50" width="50"/> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content standard-form"> <p class="comment-notes">Your email address will not be published. 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