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No further edits should be made to this page.</i></dd></dl> <p>The result was <b>delete</b>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Malcolmxl5" title="User:Malcolmxl5">Malcolmxl5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Malcolmxl5" title="User talk:Malcolmxl5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-Malcolmxl5-2013-01-21T22:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malcolmxl5-2013-01-21T22:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malcolmxl5-2013-01-21T22:59:00.000Z"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Kemakmuran" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kemakmuran-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2013_January_21#Kemakmuran" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 January 21">View log</a> <b>·</b> <span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran">Stats</a></span>)</dd> <dd>(<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Kemakmuran%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Kemakmuran%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Kemakmuran%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Kemakmuran%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Kemakmuran%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Kemakmuran%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Kemakmuran%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Kemakmuran%22">TWL</a></span></span>)</dd></dl> <p>This appears to be a hoax. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.geonames.org/search.html?q=Kemakmuran&country=">Geonames</a> shows places with this name in Indonesia, but none in Kazakhstan. I was reluctant to speedy-delete it, because in this region there are always uncertainties of transliteration, but neither Google Maps, Bing Maps nor the <i>Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World</i> shows any place with a name anything like this, or any settlement of this size, near <a href="/wiki/Lake_Alakol" title="Lake Alakol">Lake Alakol</a>. Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>. Author is an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPA">SPA</a> whose only other edits are a sandbox draft about another unlocatable Kazakh town. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnCD" title="User:JohnCD">JohnCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnCD" title="User talk:JohnCD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z-Kemakmuran" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z-Kemakmuran"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z-Kemakmuran"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:06:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Note: This debate has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Kazakhstan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Kazakhstan">list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnCD" title="User:JohnCD">JohnCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnCD" title="User talk:JohnCD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:06:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 14 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:06:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:06:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Auric-2013-01-16T14:48:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b>: As much as I like this little article, the notion of a city of 50,000 people, located near a named lake going unreferenced in this day and age is laughable. The lake monster is what tipped me off. I expected more info on the lake article but found none. Google gave nothing. --<span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:Auric" title="User:Auric"><span style="color:#FC3700;"><b>Auric</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Auric" title="User talk:Auric"><span style="color:#0C0F00;"><i>talk</i></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-Auric-2013-01-16T14:48:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Auric-2013-01-16T14:48:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Auric-2013-01-16T14:48:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <hr style="width:55%;"/> <dl><dd><span style="color:#FF4F00;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RELIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RELIST"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Courcelles-2013-01-21T00:49:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.</b></span><br/></dd> <dd><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Courcelles" title="User:Courcelles">Courcelles</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-Courcelles-2013-01-21T00:49:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Courcelles-2013-01-21T00:49:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Courcelles-2013-01-21T00:49:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <hr style="width:55%;"/> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-2013-01-21T00:53:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> Almost certainly a hoax. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328"><b><span style="color:green;">Cullen</span></b><sup style="color:purple;">328</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328"><span style="color:blue;"><i>Let's discuss it</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-Cullen328-2013-01-21T00:53:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-2013-01-21T00:53:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-2013-01-21T00:53:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alan_Liefting-2013-01-21T01:32:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Speedy delete</b> since it is almost certainly a hoax. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Alan_Liefting" title="User:Alan Liefting">Alan Liefting</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alan_Liefting" title="User talk:Alan Liefting">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting" title="Special:Contributions/Alan Liefting">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-Alan_Liefting-2013-01-21T01:32:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alan_Liefting-2013-01-21T01:32:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alan_Liefting-2013-01-21T01:32:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cameron11598-2013-01-21T01:47:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> Appears to be a hoax --<a href="/wiki/User:Cameron11598" title="User:Cameron11598"><b><span style="color:#736AFF; font-size:small;">Cameron11598</span></b></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cameron11598" title="User talk:Cameron11598">(Converse)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kemakmuran#c-Cameron11598-2013-01-21T01:47:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cameron11598-2013-01-21T01:47:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cameron11598-2013-01-21T01:47:00.000Z-JohnCD-2013-01-14T14:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). 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