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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/to_do&action=history">history</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/to_do&action=watch">watch</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/to_do&action=purge">purge</a></li></ul> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align:top;"> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism#Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism">Join WikiProject atheism</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">be bold</a>.</b> </p> <ul><li>Add a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes" title="Wikipedia:Userboxes">userbox</a> to your page ({{User WikiProject Atheism}} or {{User WPA2}}) and attract potential members.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/Articles" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism/Articles">Help with articles</a>.</li> <li>See this month's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism#Adopt_an_article" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism">adopt-an-article</a>.</li> <li>Help out with this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/to_do" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism/to do">to-do list</a>.</li></ul> <p><b>Be consistent</b> </p> <ul><li>Use a "standard" layout for atheism-related articles (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/Style" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism/Style">layout style</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:The_perfect_article" title="Wikipedia:The perfect article">"The perfect article"</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles">Featured articles</a>).</li> <li>Add Atheism info box to all atheism related talk pages (use {{WikiProject Atheism}} or see <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Atheism" title="Template:WikiProject Atheism">info box</a>)</li> <li>Ensure atheism-related articles are members of <a 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Ideas and theories about life, however, are prone to generating <a href="/wiki/Neologism" title="Neologism">neologisms</a>, so some stubs may be suitable for deletion (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GD">deletion process</a>).</li> <li>Watch the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Atheism/Articles" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism/Articles">list of atheism-related articles</a> and add to accordingly.</li> <li>Always <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles">write for an encyclopedia</a>.</li></ul> </td> <td style="width:40%;vertical-align:top;"> <p><b>Articles to improve</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Agnosticism" title="Agnosticism">Agnosticism</a></li></ul> <p><b>Create</b> </p> <ul><li>Articles on notable atheists</li></ul> <p><br/> <b>Expand</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Atheism_stubs" title="Category:Atheism stubs">an atheism stub</a></li></ul> <p><u><b>Immediate attention</b></u> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/State_atheism" title="State atheism">State atheism</a> needs a reassessment of its Importance level, as it has little to do with atheism and is instead an article about anti-theist/anti-religious actions of governments.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/False_choice" class="mw-redirect" title="False choice">False choice</a> into <a href="/wiki/False_dilemma" title="False dilemma">False dilemma</a>: discuss whether you are <b>for</b> or <b>against</b> this merge <a href="/wiki/Talk:False_dilemma#merge_of_false_choice_into_false_dilemma" title="Talk:False dilemma">here</a></li> <li>Clarify references in <a href="/wiki/Atheism" title="Atheism">Atheism</a> using footnotes.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Secular_movement" title="Secular movement">Secular movement</a> defines it as a being restricted to America in the 21st century.</li></ul> 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For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supreme_Being&action=history&date-range-to=2018-08-01">its history</a></span>; for the discussion at that location, see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Supreme_Being" title="Talk:Supreme Being">its talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p><p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?-20240116135900"><span id="Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?-20240116135900"></span>Should the image used for the Christian God be changed?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?-20240116135900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:God&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Should the image used for the Christian God be changed?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RileyXeon-20240116135900-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?"></span>After a quick back and forth edit between <a href="/wiki/User:VenusFeuerFalle" title="User:VenusFeuerFalle"><bdi>VenusFeuerFalle</bdi></a> and I relating to the image used for God, we agreed to take this issue/topic to the talk page. I think the image representing the Christian God should be replaced from the current one, which depicts God in a humanoid form with facial-hair, to a more suitable one which depicts the <a href="/wiki/Tetragrammaton" title="Tetragrammaton">Tetragrammaton</a> YHWH יהוה‎, the name of God. I agree that the bearded depiction of God is a more typical artistic depiction of God in Western culture, but it is very biblically inaccurate. Many Christians consider him to be invisible, and it is generally believed he has no form. It is best to use an accurate image like the other Abrahamic religions use on this page. <a href="/wiki/User:RileyXeon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RileyXeon">RileyXeon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RileyXeon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:RileyXeon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-RileyXeon-20240116135900-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RileyXeon-20240116135900-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RileyXeon-20240116135900-Should_the_image_used_for_the_Christian_God_be_changed?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200-RileyXeon-20240116135900"></span>Thanks for the quick introduction. I agree partly with the proposition. The "bearded man" may not be the best representation for the Christian God. Many theologicans, including <a href="/wiki/Origen" title="Origen">Origen</a>, <a href="/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas" title="Thomas Aquinas">Thomas Aquinas</a>, <a href="/wiki/Anselm_of_Canterbury" title="Anselm of Canterbury">Anselm of Canterbury</a>, <a href="/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" title="Augustine of Hippo">Augustine of Hippo</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Deism" title="Deism">deistic</a> philosophers from Christian culture, do conceptualized God as an abstract entity. An example is the concept of God as the <a href="/wiki/Five_Ways_(Aquinas)" title="Five Ways (Aquinas)">first mover in the Five Ways by Aquinas</a>. However, I do not think that a personal name does much better than the depiction of God as a person. The image needs to be representative for the Christian concept of God, such as a symbol. Next, I would argue that the <a href="/wiki/Tetragrammaton" title="Tetragrammaton">Tetragrammaton</a>, even if used as a symbol or representation rather than a proper name, it poorly reflects Christian tradition, given that the Tetragrammaton is rarely used in Christian writings. The idea that the Tetragrammaton should be used by Christians might be a rather modern phenomenon and might be motivated by <a href="/wiki/Christian_Zionism" title="Christian Zionism">Christian Zionism</a>:</dd> <dd><blockquote><p>The book is divided into three chronological sections: “The Eclipse of the Name” (roughly 300 bce–500 ce), “Times of Ignorance” (500 ce–1400 ce) and “The Rediscovery of the Name” (1400 ce–1700 ce). The first section derives its title from the fact that whereas the Tetragrammaton routinely appears in Jewish biblical texts, in both Hebrew and Greek, it virtually never appears in biblical texts of Christian origin, being represented instead by the surrogate kyrios, or, more precisely, by the distinctively Christian abbreviation ΚΣ. The implications of “eclipse” notwithstanding, however, the author makes the important point that this shift in scribal convention does not signal a lack of Christian interest in the Tetragrammaton.(</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>R. Kendall Soulen 2015) Although the author states that the lack of 'Yahweh' should not be used as evidence for its lack of importance, we see that the term is hardly representative for the concept of God in Christian tradition. The author also calls the time of absence of the Tetragrammaton a "time of ignorance". Althought he author interpretes the importance of 'YHWH' into the Christian tradition, the term is factually (almost) non-existent in traditional Christianity. Where might be a better suggestion for an image, which does accurately reflect Christian tradition. If no better one is aviable, I think the portray of God as a man will do it as well, due to its prominence in Western culture. <a href="/wiki/User:VenusFeuerFalle" title="User:VenusFeuerFalle">VenusFeuerFalle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VenusFeuerFalle" title="User talk:VenusFeuerFalle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200-RileyXeon-20240116135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200-RileyXeon-20240116135900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200-RileyXeon-20240116135900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240116211900-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200"></span>Humans cannot agree on what God looks like. Having no image at all is the only sensible approach. <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240116211900-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240116211900-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240116211900-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240228224300-HiLo48-20240116211900"></span>The image shows very well that humans do not agree, therefore it is even better to include anthropomorphic depictions as well. <a href="/wiki/User:VenusFeuerFalle" title="User:VenusFeuerFalle">VenusFeuerFalle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VenusFeuerFalle" title="User talk:VenusFeuerFalle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240228224300-HiLo48-20240116211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240228224300-HiLo48-20240116211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VenusFeuerFalle-20240228224300-HiLo48-20240116211900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RileyXeon-20240117025600-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200"></span>Depicting God as an old bearded man is very inaccurate and doesn't support biblical writings. Using the Hebrew name for God again would be far more suitable to use instead of a depiction which isn't supported. If it's more suitable maybe we could use an image of <a href="/wiki/Jesus" title="Jesus">Jesus</a> to replace instead? Jesus being God and having divinity is a key and common Christian belief, and an image of Jesus is already used on the <a href="/wiki/Deity" title="Deity">Deity</a> page. <a href="/wiki/User:RileyXeon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RileyXeon">RileyXeon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RileyXeon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:RileyXeon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-RileyXeon-20240117025600-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RileyXeon-20240117025600-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RileyXeon-20240117025600-VenusFeuerFalle-20240116195200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-102.211.127.104-20240228204700-RileyXeon-20240117025600"></span>I would second that, except, this page is not confined only to Christian interpretation. (Unlike <a href="/wiki/God_in_Christianity" title="God in Christianity">God_in_Christianity</a>) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.211.127.104" title="Special:Contributions/102.211.127.104">102.211.127.104</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:102.211.127.104&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:102.211.127.104 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-102.211.127.104-20240228204700-RileyXeon-20240117025600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-102.211.127.104-20240228204700-RileyXeon-20240117025600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-102.211.127.104-20240228204700-RileyXeon-20240117025600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crumpled_Fire-20240228213500-RileyXeon-20240116135900"></span>Keep</b> the current Michelangelo depiction. This isn't an article about biblical or Christian interpretations of God's appearance, it's about God as a single monotheistic entity and how he is or has been depicted across societies. Debating the Bible isn't relevant here. The depiction shown from Michelangelo is of one of the most famous depictions of the subject of this article ("God") in human history, probably the most widely recognizable, regardless of whether some Christian sects or sources may object that it represents what is "biblically accurate". It absolutely should remain.— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Crumpled_Fire" title="User:Crumpled Fire"><span style="font-family: Lucida Fax; color: #2695A9">Crumpled Fire</span></a></b><small> • <i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Crumpled_Fire" title="Special:Contributions/Crumpled Fire">contribs</a></i> •</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Crumpled_Fire-20240228213500-RileyXeon-20240116135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crumpled_Fire-20240228213500-RileyXeon-20240116135900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crumpled_Fire-20240228213500-RileyXeon-20240116135900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-202.5.37.238-20240904064400-RileyXeon-20240116135900"></span>Note - The depiction of <a href="/wiki/God_the_Father" title="God the Father">God the Father</a> by Michelangelo has been replaced by the <a href="/wiki/Trinity" title="Trinity">Trinity</a> depiction a long ago. The God in Christianity is mainly represented through trinity. This topic is not relevant anymore. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/202.5.37.238" title="Special:Contributions/202.5.37.238">202.5.37.238</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:202.5.37.238#top" title="User talk:202.5.37.238">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-202.5.37.238-20240904064400-RileyXeon-20240116135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-202.5.37.238-20240904064400-RileyXeon-20240116135900"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-202.5.37.238-20240904064400-RileyXeon-20240116135900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article-20240717125500"><span id="A_.27Definitions.27_section_for_this_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article-20240717125500"></span>A 'Definitions' section for this article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article-20240717125500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:God&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: A 'Definitions' section for this article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Violoncello10104-20240717125500-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article"></span>I was wondering if this article would benefit from a short section regarding the various definitions of God provided by religious traditions. I can provide one from the Westminster Shorter Catechism (a famous definition given which Anne of Green Gables quotes at some point) representing Presbyterianism, and another the Belgic Confession, a confessional standard of Continental Reformed Protestantism, both representing authoritative expressions of Reformed Protestantism which is a major form of Protestantism along with Anglicanism, Lutheranism and Baptist theology. These definitions also have Biblical citations for each point. </p><p>Westminster: 'God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, in his being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness, and truth.' </p><p>Belgic Confession: 'We all believe with the heart, and confess with the mouth, that there is one only simple and spiritual Being, which we call God; and that He is eternal, incomprehensible, invisible, immutable, infinite, almighty, perfectly wise, just, good and the overflowing fountain of all good.' </p><p>I believe a short and authoritative definition from each religious tradition would give readers a good idea of how God is conceived and also a useful point of comparison. Perhaps it could also be pointed out what doctrines or concept are taught in each definition, e.g. divine simplicity in the Belgic Confession ('one only simple and spiritual Being'). For this example, I would also mention that the Confession cites parts of Scripture such as Ephesians 4:6 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 as sources of this doctrine. <a href="/wiki/User:Violoncello10104" title="User:Violoncello10104">Violoncello10104</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violoncello10104" title="User talk:Violoncello10104">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Violoncello10104-20240717125500-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Violoncello10104-20240717125500-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Violoncello10104-20240717125500-A_'Definitions'_section_for_this_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_of_God" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_of_God-20240729103200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_of_God-20240729103200"></span>Image of God<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_of_God-20240729103200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:God&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Image of God"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200-Image_of_God"></span>Image of the Christian God as of the current version (July 29, 2024) is the actual depiction of the Christian God. Don't change it with the painting of <i><b>The Creation of Adam</b></i>, also known as <i><b>The Creation of Man</b></i>, by Italian artist <a href="/wiki/Michelangelo" title="Michelangelo">Michelangelo</a> as it only consist the image of <a href="/wiki/God_the_father" class="mw-redirect" title="God the father">God the father</a>. But the actual God in Christianity is represented through the the Christian Trinity, as a three faced head (Father, Son and Holy spirit). <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200-Image_of_God" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200-Image_of_God"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200-Image_of_God"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bis-Serjetà?-20240817063800-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200"></span>Yes, God in Christianity is a Trinity, but the depiction of the Most Holy Trinity (a 3-faced Jesus) currently is considered heretical even by the very church it came from. It is a very fringe depiction of the Most Holy Trinity, supported by practically no one.</dd> <dd>I suggest it should be replaced with the <a href="/wiki/File:Angelsatmamre-trinity-rublev-1410.jpg" title="File:Angelsatmamre-trinity-rublev-1410.jpg">Trinity icon</a> by St. Andrei Rublev ASAP. <a href="/wiki/User:Bis-Serjet%C3%A0%3F" title="User:Bis-Serjetà?">Bis-Serjetà?</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bis-Serjet%C3%A0%3F" title="User talk:Bis-Serjetà?">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Bis-Serjetà?-20240817063800-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bis-Serjetà?-20240817063800-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bis-Serjetà?-20240817063800-AimanAbir18plus-20240729103200"></span></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.221.225.231-20240922073400-Image_of_God"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bis-Serjet%C3%A0%3F" title="User:Bis-Serjetà?">Bis-Serjetà?</a>:</span> I agree that choosing the tricephalous depiction of the Trinity is... rather odd. From my preliminary research, it appears to be theologically controversial, and was even condemned by popes Urban VIII and Benedict XIV. </p><p><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a>:</span> Can you justify your choice of this controversial depiction? How can it be "the actual depiction of the Christian God", as you claim, when it has been so condemned? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-50.221.225.231-20240922073400-Image_of_God" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.221.225.231-20240922073400-Image_of_God"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.221.225.231-20240922073400-Image_of_God"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240922074600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400"></span>I'm getting really tired of the endless fiddling with the gallery here in general. We need to select three or four representative depictions that cover the gamut and stick with them. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240922074600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240922074600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240922074600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240922174600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400"></span>I did not choose the image. It was chosen by someone else. But this image is more accurate to represent the Trinity than an old bearded man as God. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240922174600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240922174600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240922174600-50.221.225.231-20240922073400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.221.225.231-20240922075900-Image_of_God"></span>Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTFINISHED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTFINISHED">WP:NOTFINISHED</a>. It's fine to do iterative refinement.</dd> <dd>As a practical matter, I suggest going with uncontroversial depictions (like my example below) to avoid unnecessary disputes. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>The <a href="/wiki/Shield_of_the_Trinity" title="Shield of the Trinity">Shield of the Trinity</a> (e.g., <a href="/wiki/File:Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg" title="File:Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg">this image</a>) seems like an uncontroversial choice for depiction of the Trinity. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-50.221.225.231-20240922075900-Image_of_God" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.221.225.231-20240922075900-Image_of_God"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.221.225.231-20240922075900-Image_of_God"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240922082500-50.221.225.231-20240922075900"></span>I'm a big fan of iteration, but iteration has to have direction or purpose. I wonder if we can do better still—while what it represents is certainly not controversial in Eastern Orthodoxy, the diagram is still particularly Western—I remember reading a bit about Byzantine diagrams a while back, it was really interesting. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240922082500-50.221.225.231-20240922075900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240922082500-50.221.225.231-20240922075900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240922082500-50.221.225.231-20240922075900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240922192400-Remsense-20240922082500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a>, I asked you to please discuss further changes to the main gallery before making them. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240922192400-Remsense-20240922082500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240922192400-Remsense-20240922082500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240922192400-Remsense-20240922082500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240925201700-Remsense-20240922192400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a>, why did you try to archive this thread instead of addressing me directly asking you about something? <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240925201700-Remsense-20240922192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240925201700-Remsense-20240922192400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240925201700-Remsense-20240922192400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800-Remsense-20240925201700"></span>This topic is no longer relevant as the 3 faced trinity depiction of Jesus is no longer used in the article as lede image. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800-Remsense-20240925201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800-Remsense-20240925201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800-Remsense-20240925201700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240925202900-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800"></span>But I asked you to please discuss any changes to the lead images before making them, which you have ignored and made changes anyway. There was no reason for you to archive what is clearly generalized, ongoing discussion about the lead gallery. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240925202900-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240925202900-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240925202900-AimanAbir18plus-20240925202800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240926093400-Remsense-20240925202900"></span>I don't want to edit war: @<a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> could you please explain the reasoning for re-adding the Jewish and Baháʼí representations? I do not think previous appearance suffices, and I would like to have a gallery where there are as few examples with as broad a coverage as possible. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240926093400-Remsense-20240925202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240926093400-Remsense-20240925202900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240926093400-Remsense-20240925202900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100-Remsense-20240926093400"></span>Because Judaism and Bahai Faith is larger religion than Atenism (extinct religion) and Monad (philosophy). And the depictions of God in Judaism and Bahai Faith were used in the older versions of the article and are more important than Atenism or Monad. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100-Remsense-20240926093400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100-Remsense-20240926093400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100-Remsense-20240926093400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240926094400-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100"></span>Right, but the point is to represent the totality of the concept described in the article. Atenism was of great historical importance for its concept of God, which remains of great interest to scholars of religion. The Monad represents a distinct conception of God unique to the early modern period. I'm not saying we have to include either of these, but just reaching for different representations because you feel they have sufficient number of associated adherents is not really doing the concept justice, in my mind. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240926094400-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240926094400-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240926094400-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800-Remsense-20240926094400"></span>Okay. You can replace the Jewish and Bahai depiction of God with Atenism and Monad. I have no problem. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800-Remsense-20240926094400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800-Remsense-20240926094400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800-Remsense-20240926094400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800"></span>But I don't think that the topic of "<b>Don't change the image of the Christian God (Trinity)</b>" is relevant anymore as the 3 faced trinity depiction of Jesus is no longer used in the article as lede image. So, do you think that it would be okay to remove this topic? <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200-AimanAbir18plus-20240926094800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240926095700-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200"></span>There's no reason to remove the topic, as it will be archived eventually like any other. It does not bother me that conversation flows naturally and other questions are addressed in the interim. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240926095700-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240926095700-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240926095700-AimanAbir18plus-20240926095200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926100100-Remsense-20240926095700"></span>Alright. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926100100-Remsense-20240926095700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926100100-Remsense-20240926095700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240926100100-Remsense-20240926095700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.221.225.231-20240926160700-Image_of_God"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense">Remsense</a>:</span> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a>:</span> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Bis-Serjet%C3%A0%3F" title="User:Bis-Serjetà?">Bis-Serjetà?</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy" title="Eastern Orthodoxy">Eastern Orthodoxy</a> (one of the three major Christian denominations) rejects human depictions of <a href="/wiki/God_the_Father" title="God the Father">God the Father</a>. Let's replace the image with the obvious candidate, <a href="/wiki/Christ" class="mw-redirect" title="Christ">Christ</a>, or the <a href="/wiki/Shield_of_the_Trinity" title="Shield of the Trinity">Shield of the Trinity</a>, as suggested above. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-50.221.225.231-20240926160700-Image_of_God" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.221.225.231-20240926160700-Image_of_God"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.221.225.231-20240926160700-Image_of_God"></span> </p> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240926231800-Image_of_God"></span>Extended content</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <dl><dd>Stop it all of you. There are so many different beliefs, there is no obvious candidate. This article does not need, nor should it have any image at all. <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240926231800-Image_of_God" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240926231800-Image_of_God"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240926231800-Image_of_God"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927055400-HiLo48-20240926231800"></span>Excuse me? This is a premise you need to actually substantiate instead of demanding everybody trying to improve a highly visible part of a highly visible page should shut up. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927055400-HiLo48-20240926231800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927055400-HiLo48-20240926231800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927055400-HiLo48-20240926231800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927055600-Remsense-20240927055400"></span>God is a highly visual concept, so insisting on no visual illustration because figuring out what it should be is nontrivial is inane. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927055600-Remsense-20240927055400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927055600-Remsense-20240927055400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927055600-Remsense-20240927055400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240927062800-Remsense-20240927055600"></span>Why? And how can God be a highly visual concept? <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240927062800-Remsense-20240927055600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240927062800-Remsense-20240927055600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240927062800-Remsense-20240927055600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927063100-HiLo48-20240927062800"></span>Because a lot of visuals are associated with the concept? <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927063100-HiLo48-20240927062800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927063100-HiLo48-20240927062800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927063100-HiLo48-20240927062800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000-Remsense-20240927063100"></span>There are many depictions of God in many religions which are essential for this article to use as lede image. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000-Remsense-20240927063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000-Remsense-20240927063100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000-Remsense-20240927063100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240927072700-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000"></span>That's not an answer tome concerns at all. <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240927072700-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240927072700-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240927072700-AimanAbir18plus-20240927071000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927072900-HiLo48-20240927072700"></span>Because you're not expressing concerns that can be engaged with except by deference to your particular tastes and perspective. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927072900-HiLo48-20240927072700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927072900-HiLo48-20240927072700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927072900-HiLo48-20240927072700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240927073500-Remsense-20240927072900"></span>There is no image that will please people of every faith, so how about no image? <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240927073500-Remsense-20240927072900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240927073500-Remsense-20240927072900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240927073500-Remsense-20240927072900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927074200-HiLo48-20240927073500"></span>You seem to fundamentally misunderstand the goal here. No definition will please everyone, and no choice of words will either, but I imagine you wouldn't say "don't bother to write an article". It's not within the remit of our encyclopedia to illustrate in an unfamiliar fashion, nor to defer on our own pretense that this subject is uniquely unillustratable without evidence. Neutral point of view does not mean no point of view: all we can do, exactly as with our prose, is be as representative of our sources as possible. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927074200-HiLo48-20240927073500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927074200-HiLo48-20240927073500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927074200-HiLo48-20240927073500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240927075300-Remsense-20240927074200"></span>That's a straw man argument. I did not and would not propose having no article. Stick to what I actually said please. <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240927075300-Remsense-20240927074200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240927075300-Remsense-20240927074200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240927075300-Remsense-20240927074200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927080400-HiLo48-20240927075300"></span>I'm trying to understand the reasoning behind what you said. I literally said "I imagine you wouldn't say 'don't bother to write an article<span style="padding-right:.15em;">'</span>". <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927080400-HiLo48-20240927075300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927080400-HiLo48-20240927075300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927080400-HiLo48-20240927075300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20240927081700-Remsense-20240927080400"></span>Maybe you should stop speculating and discussing me. <a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-HiLo48-20240927081700-Remsense-20240927080400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20240927081700-Remsense-20240927080400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20240927081700-Remsense-20240927080400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20240927082400-HiLo48-20240927081700"></span>If the purely editorial point I'm making is not clear to you, I apologize. I would like to see this argument as something more than obstructive, but I think it would be better if I desist here, since our rhetorical styles clearly aren't compatible. If you don't want to be understood, then don't speak, I guess. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Remsense-20240927082400-HiLo48-20240927081700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20240927082400-HiLo48-20240927081700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240927082400-HiLo48-20240927081700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism-20240922071800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism-20240922071800"></span>Image used in the introduction for Hinduism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism-20240922071800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:God&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Image used in the introduction for Hinduism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.221.225.231-20240922071800-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism"></span>In the introduction, I strongly recommend replacing <a href="/wiki/File:Vishnu_Kumartuli_Park_Sarbojanin_Arnab_Dutta_2010.JPG" title="File:Vishnu Kumartuli Park Sarbojanin Arnab Dutta 2010.JPG">the photo of a statue of Vishnu</a> with <a href="/wiki/File:Aum_Om_black.svg" title="File:Aum Om black.svg">the symbol of Brahman</a>, since <a href="/wiki/Vishnu" title="Vishnu">Vishnu</a> is just <i>one</i> of the three manifestations of <a href="/wiki/Brahman" title="Brahman">Brahman</a>, together with <a href="/wiki/Brahma" title="Brahma">Brahma</a> and <a href="/wiki/Shiva" title="Shiva">Shiva</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-50.221.225.231-20240922071800-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.221.225.231-20240922071800-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.221.225.231-20240922071800-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.221.225.231-20240923013200-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism"></span>Currently, the article uses an icon of <a href="/wiki/Acintya" title="Acintya">Acintya</a>, a deity of <a href="/wiki/Balinese_Hinduism" title="Balinese Hinduism">Balinese Hinduism</a>. (<a href="/wiki/Bali" title="Bali">Bali</a> is a small island of Indonesia.) Is there a reason we're using this, specifically, to represent all of Hinduism? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-50.221.225.231-20240923013200-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.221.225.231-20240923013200-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.221.225.231-20240923013200-Image_used_in_the_introduction_for_Hinduism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200-50.221.225.231-20240923013200"></span>It's not representing all of Hinduism. It's representing a specific <a href="/wiki/Balinese_Hinduism" title="Balinese Hinduism">Balinese Hindu</a> deity <a href="/wiki/Acintya" title="Acintya">Acintya</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200-50.221.225.231-20240923013200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200-50.221.225.231-20240923013200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200-50.221.225.231-20240923013200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-50.221.225.231-20241002232000-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200"></span>Why use <a href="/wiki/Balinese_Hinduism" title="Balinese Hinduism">Balinese Hinduism</a> (~4.6 million adherents) rather than simply <a href="/wiki/Hinduism" title="Hinduism">Hinduism</a> (~1.2 billion adherents)? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231" title="Special:Contributions/50.221.225.231">50.221.225.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.221.225.231" title="User talk:50.221.225.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-50.221.225.231-20241002232000-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.221.225.231-20241002232000-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.221.225.231-20241002232000-AimanAbir18plus-20240927141200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500-50.221.225.231-20241002232000"></span>Images of <a href="/wiki/Hinduism" title="Hinduism">Hindu</a> deities such as <a href="/wiki/Hanuman" title="Hanuman">Hanuman</a> and <a href="/wiki/Vishnu" title="Vishnu">Vishnu</a> were used in the previous versions of the article. But, many people including you too were not happy about it. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500-50.221.225.231-20241002232000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500-50.221.225.231-20241002232000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500-50.221.225.231-20241002232000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zoozoor-20241005061000-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500"></span>I vote we restore the <a href="/wiki/File:Vishnu_Kumartuli_Park_Sarbojanin_Arnab_Dutta_2010.JPG" title="File:Vishnu Kumartuli Park Sarbojanin Arnab Dutta 2010.JPG">the image of Vishnu</a>, and just write "Vaishnava Hinduism" in the description. This is the largest sect of the faith. Otherwise, could we use an image of the Trimurti as a sort of compromise? <a href="/wiki/User:Zoozoor" title="User:Zoozoor">Zoozoor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zoozoor" title="User talk:Zoozoor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Zoozoor-20241005061000-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zoozoor-20241005061000-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zoozoor-20241005061000-AimanAbir18plus-20241004100500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Vishnu" title="Vishnu"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20241122134600-Zoozoor-20241005061000"></span>Vishnu</a>'s image has been restored. <a href="/wiki/User:AimanAbir18plus" title="User:AimanAbir18plus">AimanAbir18plus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AimanAbir18plus" title="User talk:AimanAbir18plus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-AimanAbir18plus-20241122134600-Zoozoor-20241005061000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AimanAbir18plus-20241122134600-Zoozoor-20241005061000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AimanAbir18plus-20241122134600-Zoozoor-20241005061000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10-20241114052900"><span id="Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff.2F995970156_to_archive_10"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10-20241114052900"></span>Is it OK to revert <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/995970156" title="Special:Diff/995970156">Special:Diff/995970156</a> to archive 10<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10-20241114052900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:God&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Is it OK to revert Special:Diff/995970156 to archive 10"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnomingstuff-20241114052900-Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10"></span>See title. See <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#Request_for_comment:_Do_the_guidelines_in_WP:TPO_also_apply_to_archived_talk_pages?">this page</a> for context. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God#c-Gnomingstuff-20241114052900-Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnomingstuff-20241114052900-Is_it_OK_to_revert_Special:Diff/995970156_to_archive_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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