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class="vheadingv"><b>Verse</b><a href="/bsb/hebrews/12.htm" class="clickchap" style="color:#001320" title="Click any translation name for full chapter">  (Click for Chapter)</a></div><div id="par"><span class="versiontext"><a href="/niv/hebrews/12.htm">New International Version</a></span><br />If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nlt/hebrews/12.htm">New Living Translation</a></span><br />If God doesn’t discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/esv/hebrews/12.htm">English Standard Version</a></span><br />If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/bsb/hebrews/12.htm">Berean Standard Bible</a></span><br />If you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/blb/hebrews/12.htm">Berean Literal Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which they have all become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/kjv/hebrews/12.htm">King James Bible</a></span><br />But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nkjv/hebrews/12.htm">New King James Version</a></span><br />But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nasb_/hebrews/12.htm">New American Standard Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nasb/hebrews/12.htm">NASB 1995</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nasb77/hebrews/12.htm">NASB 1977 </a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/lsb/hebrews/12.htm">Legacy Standard Bible </a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/amp/hebrews/12.htm">Amplified Bible</a></span><br />Now if you are exempt from correction <i>and</i> without discipline, in which all [of God’s children] share, then you are illegitimate children and not sons [at all].<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/csb/hebrews/12.htm">Christian Standard Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline—which all receive —then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/hcsb/hebrews/12.htm">Holman Christian Standard Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline—which all receive—then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/asv/hebrews/12.htm">American Standard Version</a></span><br />But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/cev/hebrews/12.htm">Contemporary English Version</a></span><br />God corrects all his children, and if he doesn't correct you, then you don't really belong to him. <span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/erv/hebrews/12.htm">English Revised Version</a></span><br />But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/gwt/hebrews/12.htm">GOD'S WORD® Translation</a></span><br />If you aren't disciplined like the other children, you aren't part of the family.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/gnt/hebrews/12.htm">Good News Translation</a></span><br />If you are not punished, as all his children are, it means you are not real children, but bastards. <span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/isv/hebrews/12.htm">International Standard Version</a></span><br />Now if you are without any discipline, in which all sons share, then you are illegitimate and not God's sons. <span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/msb/hebrews/12.htm">Majority Standard Bible</a></span><br />If you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/net/hebrews/12.htm">NET Bible</a></span><br />But if you do not experience discipline, something all sons have shared in, then you are illegitimate and are not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nheb/hebrews/12.htm">New Heart English Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then you are illegitimate, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/wbt/hebrews/12.htm">Webster's Bible Translation</a></span><br />But if ye are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are ye bastards and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/wey/hebrews/12.htm">Weymouth New Testament</a></span><br />And if you are left without discipline, of which every true son has had a share, that shows that you are bastards, and not true sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/web/hebrews/12.htm">World English Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then you are illegitimate, and not children. <div class="vheading2"><b>Literal Translations</b></div><span class="versiontext"><a href="/lsv/hebrews/12.htm">Literal Standard Version</a></span><br />And if you are apart from discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/blb/hebrews/12.htm">Berean Literal Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, of which they have all become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/ylt/hebrews/12.htm">Young's Literal Translation</a></span><br /> and if ye are apart from chastening, of which all have become partakers, then bastards are ye, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/slt/hebrews/12.htm">Smith's Literal Translation</a></span><br />And if ye are without correction, of which all are partakers, then are ye spurious, not sons.<div class="vheading2"><b>Catholic Translations</b></div><span class="versiontext"><a href="/drb/hebrews/12.htm">Douay-Rheims Bible</a></span><br />But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. <span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/cpdv/hebrews/12.htm">Catholic Public Domain Version</a></span><br />But if you are without that discipline in which all have become sharers, then you are of adultery, and you are not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nabre/hebrews/12.htm">New American Bible</a></span><br />If you are without discipline, in which all have shared, you are not sons but bastards.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/nrsvce/hebrews/12.htm">New Revised Standard Version</a></span><br />If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children.<div class="vheading2"><b>Translations from Aramaic</b></div><span class="versiontext"><a href="/lamsa/hebrews/12.htm">Lamsa Bible</a></span><br />But if you are without discipline, that very discipline by which every man is trained, then you are strangers and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/aramaic-plain-english/hebrews/12.htm">Aramaic Bible in Plain English</a></span><br />And if you are without the discipline by which every person is disciplined, you are strangers and not children.<div class="vheading2"><b>NT Translations</b></div><span class="versiontext"><a href="/anderson/hebrews/12.htm">Anderson New Testament</a></span><br />But if you are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.<CM><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/godbey/hebrews/12.htm">Godbey New Testament</a></span><br />And if you are without chastisement, of which all have been partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/haweis/hebrews/12.htm">Haweis New Testament</a></span><br />If then ye are without correction, of which all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not children.<CM><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/mace/hebrews/12.htm">Mace New Testament</a></span><br />but if you were exempted from that discipline which others are subject to, then are you bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/wey/hebrews/12.htm">Weymouth New Testament</a></span><br />And if you are left without discipline, of which every true son has had a share, that shows that you are bastards, and not true sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/worrell/hebrews/12.htm">Worrell New Testament</a></span><br />But, if ye are without chastisement, of which all have become partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/worsley/hebrews/12.htm">Worsley New Testament</a></span><br />But if ye be without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are ye bastards and not sons.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/parallel/hebrews/12-8.htm">Additional Translations ...</a></span></div></div></div><div id="centbox"><div class="padcent"><a name="audio" id="audio"></a><div class="vheadingv"><b>Audio Bible</b></div><iframe width="100%" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/x-IAXXp5zcA?start=2552" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe><span class="p"><br /><br /><br /></span><div class="vheadingv"><b>Context</b></div><span class="hdg"><a href="/bsb/hebrews/12.htm">God Disciplines His Sons</a></span><br>…<span class="reftext">7</span>Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? <span class="reftext">8</span><span class="highl"><a href="/greek/1161.htm" title="1161: de (Conj) -- A primary particle; but, and, etc."></a> <a href="/greek/1487.htm" title="1487: ei (Conj) -- If. A primary particle of conditionality; if, whether, that, etc.">If</a> <a href="/greek/1510.htm" title="1510: este (V-PIA-2P) -- I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.">you do not experience</a> <a href="/greek/5565.htm" title="5565: chōris (Prep) -- Apart from, separately from; without. Adverb from chora; at a space, i.e. Separately or apart from."></a> <a href="/greek/3809.htm" title="3809: paideias (N-GFS) -- From paideuo; tutorage, i.e. Education or training; by implication, disciplinary correction.">discipline</a> <a href="/greek/3739.htm" title="3739: hēs (RelPro-GFS) -- Who, which, what, that. ">like</a> <a href="/greek/3956.htm" title="3956: pantes (Adj-NMP) -- All, the whole, every kind of. Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole.">everyone</a> <a href="/greek/1096.htm" title="1096: gegonasin (V-RIA-3P) -- A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be, i.e. to become, used with great latitude."></a> <a href="/greek/3353.htm" title="3353: metochoi (Adj-NMP) -- A sharer, partner, associate. From metecho; participant, i.e. a sharer; by implication, an associate.">else,</a> <a href="/greek/686.htm" title="686: ara (Conj) -- Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.">then</a> <a href="/greek/1510.htm" title="1510: este (V-PIA-2P) -- I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.">you are</a> <a href="/greek/3541.htm" title="3541: nothoi (Adj-NMP) -- Illegitimate, base-born. Of uncertain affinity; a spurious or illegitimate son.">illegitimate children</a> <a href="/greek/2532.htm" title="2532: kai (Conj) -- And, even, also, namely. ">and</a> <a href="/greek/3756.htm" title="3756: ouch (Adv) -- No, not. Also ouk, and ouch a primary word; the absolute negative adverb; no or not.">not true</a> <a href="/greek/5207.htm" title="5207: huioi (N-NMP) -- A son, descendent. Apparently a primary word; a son, used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship.">sons.</a> </span> <span class="reftext">9</span>Furthermore, we have all had earthly fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them. Should we not much more submit to the Father of our spirits and live?…<div class="cred"><a href="//berean.bible">Berean Standard Bible</a> · <a href="//berean.bible/downloads.htm">Download</a></div><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a name="crossref" id="crossref"></a><div class="vheading">Cross References</div><div id="crf"><span class="crossverse"><a href="/proverbs/3-11.htm">Proverbs 3:11-12</a></span><br />My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD, and do not loathe His rebuke; / for the LORD disciplines the one He loves, as does a father the son in whom he delights.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/revelation/3-19.htm">Revelation 3:19</a></span><br />Those I love I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/proverbs/13-24.htm">Proverbs 13:24</a></span><br />He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/1_corinthians/11-32.htm">1 Corinthians 11:32</a></span><br />But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/deuteronomy/8-5.htm">Deuteronomy 8:5</a></span><br />So know in your heart that just as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/job/5-17.htm">Job 5:17-18</a></span><br />Blessed indeed is the man whom God corrects; so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. / For He wounds, but He also binds; He strikes, but His hands also heal.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/psalms/94-12.htm">Psalm 94:12</a></span><br />Blessed is the man You discipline, O LORD, and teach from Your law,<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/psalms/119-67.htm">Psalm 119:67</a></span><br />Before I was afflicted, I went astray; but now I keep Your word.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/psalms/119-71.htm">Psalm 119:71</a></span><br />It was good for me to be afflicted, that I might learn Your statutes.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/psalms/119-75.htm">Psalm 119:75</a></span><br />I know, O LORD, that Your judgments are righteous, and that in faithfulness You have afflicted me.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/2_samuel/7-14.htm">2 Samuel 7:14</a></span><br />I will be his Father, and he will be My son. When he does wrong, I will discipline him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/lamentations/3-39.htm">Lamentations 3:39-40</a></span><br />Why should any mortal man complain, in view of his sins? / Let us examine and test our ways, and turn back to the LORD.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/isaiah/48-10.htm">Isaiah 48:10</a></span><br />See, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/jeremiah/10-24.htm">Jeremiah 10:24</a></span><br />Correct me, O LORD, but only with justice—not in Your anger, or You will bring me to nothing.<span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="crossverse"><a href="/jeremiah/30-11.htm">Jeremiah 30:11</a></span><br />For I am with you to save you, declares the LORD. Though I will completely destroy all the nations to which I have scattered you, I will not completely destroy you. Yet I will discipline you justly, and will by no means leave you unpunished.”</div><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a name="tsk" id="tsk"><div class="vheading">Treasury of Scripture</div><p class="tsk2">But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.</p><p class="tskverse"><b><a href="/hebrews/12-6.htm">Hebrews 12:6</a></b></br> For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.</p><p class="tskverse"><b><a href="/psalms/73-1.htm">Psalm 73:1,14,15</a></b></br> A Psalm of Asaph. Truly God <i>is</i> good to Israel, <i>even</i> to such as are of a clean heart… </p><p class="tskverse"><b><a href="/1_peter/5-9.htm">1 Peter 5:9,10</a></b></br> Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world… </p><div class="vheading">Jump to Previous</div><a href="/hebrews/11-40.htm">Apart</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-7.htm">Chastening</a> <a href="/1_corinthians/11-32.htm">Chastisement</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-7.htm">Children</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-7.htm">Discipline</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-7.htm">Disciplined</a> <a href="/john/8-41.htm">Illegitimate</a> <a href="/hebrews/10-33.htm">Partakers</a> <a href="/romans/15-27.htm">Participated</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-7.htm">Punishment</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-2.htm">Shame</a> <a href="/hebrews/11-25.htm">Share</a> <a href="/galatians/2-6.htm">Shows</a> <a href="/hebrews/11-33.htm">True.</a> <a href="/galatians/5-3.htm">Undergoes</a> <a href="/hebrews/10-15.htm">Whereof</a><div class="vheading2">Jump to Next</div><a href="/hebrews/12-14.htm">Apart</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-11.htm">Chastening</a> <a href="/deuteronomy/11-2.htm">Chastisement</a> <a href="/james/1-18.htm">Children</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-9.htm">Discipline</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-9.htm">Disciplined</a> <a href="/deuteronomy/23-2.htm">Illegitimate</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-10.htm">Partakers</a> <a href="/psalms/50-18.htm">Participated</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-9.htm">Punishment</a> <a href="/hebrews/13-13.htm">Shame</a> <a href="/hebrews/13-16.htm">Share</a> <a href="/james/2-13.htm">Shows</a> <a href="/hebrews/12-10.htm">True.</a> <a href="/james/1-12.htm">Undergoes</a> <a href="/hebrews/13-10.htm">Whereof</a><div class="vheading2">Hebrews 12</div><span class="reftext">1. </span><span class="outlinetext"><a href="/hebrews/12-1.htm">An exhortation to constant faith, patience, and godliness by Christ's example</a></span><br><span class="reftext">22. </span><span class="outlinetext"><a href="/hebrews/12-22.htm">A commendation of the new covenant.</a></span><br></div></div><div id="mdd"><div align="center"><div class="bot2"><table align="center" width="100%"><tr><td><div align="center"> <script id="3d27ed63fc4348d5b062c4527ae09445"> (new Image()).src = 'https://capi.connatix.com/tr/si?token=51ce25d5-1a8c-424a-8695-4bd48c750f35&cid=3a9f82d0-4344-4f8d-ac0c-e1a0eb43a405'; </script> <script id="b817b7107f1d4a7997da1b3c33457e03"> (new Image()).src = 'https://capi.connatix.com/tr/si?token=cb0edd8b-b416-47eb-8c6d-3cc96561f7e8&cid=3a9f82d0-4344-4f8d-ac0c-e1a0eb43a405'; </script><br /><br />  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-2'> </div><br /><br />  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-0' style='max-width: 300px;'> </div><br /><br />  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-3'> </div><br /><br />  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-1' style='max-width: 300px;'> </div><br /><br />  <div align="center" id='div-gpt-ad-1531425649696-0'> </div><br /><br /> <ins class="adsbygoogle" style="display:inline-block;width:200px;height:200px" data-ad-client="ca-pub-3753401421161123" data-ad-slot="3592799687"></ins> <script> (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); </script> <br /><br /> </div> </td></tr></table></div></div></div><div id="combox"><div class="padcom"><a name="study" id="study"></a><div class="vheading"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="99%" valign="top"><a href="/study/hebrews/12.htm">Study Bible</a></td><td width="1%" valign="top"><a href="/study/hebrews/" title="Book Summary and Study">Book ◦</a> <a href="/study/chapters/hebrews/12.htm" title="Chapter summary and Study">Chapter </a></tr></table></div><b>If you do not experience discipline</b><br>Discipline in the biblical context often refers to God's corrective guidance. The concept of divine discipline is rooted in the Old Testament, where God disciplines His people to bring them back to righteousness (<a href="/proverbs/3-11.htm">Proverbs 3:11-12</a>). Discipline is seen as a sign of God's love and care, aiming to produce holiness and righteousness in believers (<a href="/hebrews/12-10.htm">Hebrews 12:10-11</a>). The absence of discipline might suggest a lack of relationship with God, as discipline is a tool for growth and maturity in faith.<p><b>like everyone else</b><br>This phrase emphasizes the universality of God's discipline among His children. All believers are subject to God's corrective measures, which are part of the sanctification process. The idea is that discipline is a common experience for those who are truly part of God's family. This aligns with the broader biblical narrative that God treats all His children with the same love and care, as seen in passages like <a href="/romans/8-29.htm">Romans 8:29</a>, where believers are conformed to the image of Christ.<p><b>then you are illegitimate children</b><br>In the historical and cultural context of the first century, illegitimate children did not have the same rights or status as legitimate heirs. This metaphor highlights the seriousness of not experiencing God's discipline. It implies a lack of genuine relationship and inheritance in God's family. The concept of legitimacy is crucial in understanding one's standing before God, as seen in <a href="/galatians/4-7.htm">Galatians 4:7</a>, where believers are called heirs through Christ.<p><b>and not true sons</b><br>The term "true sons" signifies a legitimate and recognized relationship with God. In biblical times, sons were heirs and had a special status within the family. Being a "true son" implies a deep, personal relationship with God, marked by His loving discipline. This is consistent with the New Testament teaching that believers are adopted into God's family through Christ (<a href="/ephesians/1-5.htm">Ephesians 1:5</a>), and as such, they share in both the privileges and responsibilities of being God's children.<div class="vheading2">Persons / Places / Events</div>1. <b><a href="/topical/a/author_of_hebrews.htm">Author of Hebrews</a></b><br>Traditionally attributed to Paul, though the exact authorship is uncertain. The author writes to Jewish Christians, encouraging them to remain steadfast in their faith.<br><br>2. <b><a href="/topical/j/jewish_christians.htm">Jewish Christians</a></b><br>The primary audience of the letter, who were facing persecution and needed encouragement to persevere in their faith.<br><br>3. <b><a href="/topical/d/discipline.htm">Discipline</a></b><br>A central theme in this passage, referring to God's corrective guidance and training for His children.<br><br>4. <b><a href="/topical/i/illegitimate_children.htm">Illegitimate Children</a></b><br>A metaphor used to describe those who do not receive God's discipline, implying a lack of true relationship with Him.<br><br>5. <b><a href="/topical/t/true_sons.htm">True Sons</a></b><br>Refers to those who are genuine children of God, evidenced by their experience of His discipline.<div class="vheading2">Teaching Points</div><b><a href="/topical/u/understanding_discipline_as_love.htm">Understanding Discipline as Love</a></b><br>God's discipline is an expression of His love and commitment to our growth and holiness. It is not punitive but corrective, aiming to shape us into the likeness of Christ.<br><br><b><a href="/topical/t/the_assurance_of_sonship.htm">The Assurance of Sonship</a></b><br>Experiencing God's discipline is a confirmation of our status as His children. It assures us of our legitimate place in His family.<br><br><b><a href="/topical/e/embracing_correction.htm">Embracing Correction</a></b><br>As believers, we should welcome God's discipline, recognizing it as a necessary part of our spiritual development and maturity.<br><br><b><a href="/topical/c/contrast_with_illegitimacy.htm">Contrast with Illegitimacy</a></b><br>The absence of discipline should be a cause for concern, prompting self-examination of our relationship with God.<br><br><b><a href="/topical/p/perseverance_through_trials.htm">Perseverance through Trials</a></b><br>Understanding discipline helps us endure trials with a perspective of growth and refinement, rather than despair or resentment.<div class="vheading2">Lists and Questions</div><a href="/top10/lessons_from_hebrews_12.htm">Top 10 Lessons from Hebrews 12</a><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a href="/q/what_is_god's_chastening.htm">What does God chastening His children mean?</a><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a href="/q/does_god's_discipline_contradict_love.htm">In Hebrews 12:5-6, does God's discipline contradict the idea of a loving, compassionate deity presented elsewhere in Scripture?</a><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a href="/q/how_does_heb._3_11_align_with_god's_love.htm">Hebrews 3:11 alludes to God's wrath preventing entry into rest; how does this align with a loving God in contrast to other biblical passages emphasizing divine mercy?</a><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a href="/q/what_does_it_mean_god_is_our_father.htm">What does it mean for God to be our Father?</a><a name="commentary" id="commentary"></a><div class="vheading2"><a href="/commentaries/ellicott/hebrews/12.htm">Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers</a></div>(8) <span class= "bld">Whereof all are partakers.</span>--Better, <span class= "ital">whereof all</span> (God's children) <span class= "ital">have been made partakers.</span> Were it possible that they have never known this fatherly "chastening," it must be that they are not sons whom a father acknowledges, and for whose training he has care.<p><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><span class="versiontext"><a href="/commentaries/hebrews/12-8.htm">Parallel Commentaries ...</a></span><span class="p"><br /><br /><br /></span><a name="lexicon" id="lexicon"></a><div class="vheading">Greek</div><span class="word">If</span><br /><span class="grk">εἰ</span> <span class="translit">(ei)</span><br /><span class="parse">Conjunction<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_1487.htm">Strong's 1487: </a> </span><span class="str2">If. A primary particle of conditionality; if, whether, that, etc.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">you do not experience</span><br /><span class="grk">ἐστε</span> <span class="translit">(este)</span><br /><span class="parse">Verb - Present Indicative Active - 2nd Person Plural<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_1510.htm">Strong's 1510: </a> </span><span class="str2">I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">discipline</span><br /><span class="grk">παιδείας</span> <span class="translit">(paideias)</span><br /><span class="parse">Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_3809.htm">Strong's 3809: </a> </span><span class="str2">From paideuo; tutorage, i.e. Education or training; by implication, disciplinary correction.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">like</span><br /><span class="grk">ἧς</span> <span class="translit">(hēs)</span><br /><span class="parse">Personal / Relative Pronoun - Genitive Feminine Singular<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_3739.htm">Strong's 3739: </a> </span><span class="str2">Who, which, what, that. </span><br /><br /><span class="word">everyone</span><br /><span class="grk">πάντες</span> <span class="translit">(pantes)</span><br /><span class="parse">Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_3956.htm">Strong's 3956: </a> </span><span class="str2">All, the whole, every kind of. Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">else,</span><br /><span class="grk">μέτοχοι</span> <span class="translit">(metochoi)</span><br /><span class="parse">Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_3353.htm">Strong's 3353: </a> </span><span class="str2">A sharer, partner, associate. From metecho; participant, i.e. a sharer; by implication, an associate.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">then</span><br /><span class="grk">ἄρα</span> <span class="translit">(ara)</span><br /><span class="parse">Conjunction<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_686.htm">Strong's 686: </a> </span><span class="str2">Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">you are</span><br /><span class="grk">ἐστε</span> <span class="translit">(este)</span><br /><span class="parse">Verb - Present Indicative Active - 2nd Person Plural<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_1510.htm">Strong's 1510: </a> </span><span class="str2">I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">illegitimate children</span><br /><span class="grk">νόθοι</span> <span class="translit">(nothoi)</span><br /><span class="parse">Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_3541.htm">Strong's 3541: </a> </span><span class="str2">Illegitimate, base-born. Of uncertain affinity; a spurious or illegitimate son.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">and</span><br /><span class="grk">καὶ</span> <span class="translit">(kai)</span><br /><span class="parse">Conjunction<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_2532.htm">Strong's 2532: </a> </span><span class="str2">And, even, also, namely. </span><br /><br /><span class="word">not true</span><br /><span class="grk">οὐχ</span> <span class="translit">(ouch)</span><br /><span class="parse">Adverb<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_3756.htm">Strong's 3756: </a> </span><span class="str2">No, not. Also ouk, and ouch a primary word; the absolute negative adverb; no or not.</span><br /><br /><span class="word">sons.</span><br /><span class="grk">υἱοί</span> <span class="translit">(huioi)</span><br /><span class="parse">Noun - Nominative Masculine Plural<br /></span><span class="str"><a href="/greek/strongs_5207.htm">Strong's 5207: </a> </span><span class="str2">A son, descendent. Apparently a primary word; a 'son', used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship.</span><br /><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><div class="vheading">Links</div><a href="/niv/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 NIV</a><br /><a href="/nlt/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 NLT</a><br /><a href="/esv/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 ESV</a><br /><a href="/nasb/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 NASB</a><br /><a href="/kjv/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 KJV</a><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a href="//bibleapps.com/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 BibleApps.com</a><br /><a href="//bibliaparalela.com/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 Biblia Paralela</a><br /><a href="//holybible.com.cn/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 Chinese Bible</a><br /><a href="//saintebible.com/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 French Bible</a><br /><a href="/catholic/hebrews/12-8.htm">Hebrews 12:8 Catholic Bible</a><span class="p"><br /><br /></span><a href="/hebrews/12-8.htm">NT Letters: Hebrews 12:8 But if you are without discipline (Heb. 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