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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Highways" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highways">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Highways</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Highways</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Highways articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-high"><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Highways_articles" title="Category:High-importance Highways articles">High</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>High-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Highways/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_oppose_the_merge" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_oppose_the_merge-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_oppose_the_merge-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span>I oppose the merge<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_oppose_the_merge-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arterial_road&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: I oppose the merge"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z-I_oppose_the_merge"></span>I oppose the proposed merge of Expressway into this article. See <a href="/wiki/Talk:Expressway" title="Talk:Expressway">Talk:Expressway</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Coolcaesar" title="User:Coolcaesar">Coolcaesar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z-I_oppose_the_merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z-I_oppose_the_merge"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z-I_oppose_the_merge"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnnyBGood-2006-07-10T22:12:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> I also oppose this merger. Not all expressways are arterial roads and vice versa. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnnyBGood" title="User:JohnnyBGood"><span style="color:Green;"><b>JohnnyBGood</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnnyBGood" title="User talk:JohnnyBGood"><span style="color:Red;"><b>t</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JohnnyBGood" title="Special:Contributions/JohnnyBGood"><span style="color:Red;"><b>c</b></span></a> <b>VIVA!</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-JohnnyBGood-2006-07-10T22:12:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnnyBGood-2006-07-10T22:12:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnnyBGood-2006-07-10T22:12:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accessman-2006-07-14T16:45:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> I oppose this merger. The range in roadway performance and geometric design is far to wide to lump expressway and arterial together. While one could argue that an expressway is a high end arterial, that would be a part of the definition and not a reason to merge the two definitions. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Accessman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Accessman (page does not exist)">Accessman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-Accessman-2006-07-14T16:45:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accessman-2006-07-14T16:45:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accessman-2006-07-14T16:45:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CrazyC83-2006-07-16T02:43:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> There is considerable difference between the two road types. While it can be argued that expressways are a subset of the arterial road, the overwhelming majority of arterial roads have no control of access. Accessman says it all. (As it is, arterial road already is broad - there are two distinct types, principal arterial and minor arterial) <a href="/wiki/User:CrazyC83" title="User:CrazyC83">CrazyC83</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-CrazyC83-2006-07-16T02:43:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CrazyC83-2006-07-16T02:43:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CrazyC83-2006-07-16T02:43:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2006-07-07T00:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hmmmmm" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hmmmmm-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hmmmmm-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Hmmmmm<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hmmmmm-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arterial_road&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Hmmmmm"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z-Hmmmmm"></span>I'm not sure biological arteries carry traffic between urban centers. I thought blood and organs were more their stock in trade. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/190.41.69.240" title="Special:Contributions/190.41.69.240">190.41.69.240</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:190.41.69.240&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:190.41.69.240 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z-Hmmmmm" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z-Hmmmmm"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z-Hmmmmm"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:49:00.000Z-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Biological arteries sole purpose is the movement of blood throughout the body, from origin (heart) to destination (organs and muscles). They are metaphorically identical to arterial roads (and the reason behind the naming). - <b><a href="/wiki/User:Floydian" title="User:Floydian"><span style="color:#5A5AC5;">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floydian" title="User talk:Floydian"><sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Floydian" title="Special:Contributions/Floydian"><sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:49:00.000Z-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:49:00.000Z-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:49:00.000Z-190.41.69.240-2008-06-01T20:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause" data-mw-thread-id="h-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z"><span id="deleted_two_sentences.2C_added_clause"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z"></span>deleted two sentences, added clause<span data-mw-comment-end="h-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arterial_road&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: deleted two sentences, added clause"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AkosSzoboszlay-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause"></span>These two sentences are not quite accurate. Here is one sentence and reason for deleting: </p> <ul><li>Much like a biological artery, an arterial road carries large volumes of traffic between areas in urban centres.</li></ul> <p>This statement is applicable to freeways because relatively speaking, arterial volumes are much less than for freeways. Here is the other sentence and reason for deleting: </p> <ul><li>They are noted for their lack of residential entrances directly onto the road (except in older or denser communities).</li></ul> <p>The example photo that was previously provided, of the Sydney Eastern Arterial Road, shows this is not the case. This road has driveways most of its length into private garages as can be seen from Google map, aerial view for the length of this road. While newer arterial roads often have no residential garage driveways (as was indicated), the fact remains that most arterial roads do have at least some residential garage driveways today. </p><p>Added this clause: </p> <ul><li>Where geography permits, they are often spaced every half-mile in a grid network ...<i></i></li></ul> <p>If you look at maps of large, flat urban areas (e.g., Los Angeles County, San Fernando Valley north of Los Angeles or Santa Clara Valley in California), you will see the arterial grid system in Google maps when zooming out to about half inch per mile of map. The freeway system is separate from this. <a href="/wiki/User:AkosSzoboszlay" title="User:AkosSzoboszlay">AkosSzoboszlay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AkosSzoboszlay" title="User talk:AkosSzoboszlay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-AkosSzoboszlay-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AkosSzoboszlay-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AkosSzoboszlay-2010-12-04T21:22:00.000Z-deleted_two_sentences,_added_clause"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z"><span id="Problems_with_.CA.84.C9.ADo.CA.8F.C9.97ia.C9.B2.27s_edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z"></span>Problems with ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arterial_road&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Problems with ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits"></span>Here are just a few problems with those edits: </p> <ul><li>Most major U.S. cities do try to build arterial roads in grids of at least half a mile in size (or larger). Just to name a few: Chicago, Los Angeles (San Fernando Valley), Sacramento, Fresno, Phoenix, Dallas, Miami, Orlando, Las Vegas, Reno, Salt Lake City, and San Jose. And those are just (some) of the cities I've been to.</li> <li>Placing a term first in the lead sentence that is <i>not</i> the article title is extremely confusing, which is why encyclopedias and dictionaries never do it.</li> <li>Also, "arterial thoroughfare" results in only about 6,700 hits on Google while "arterial road" returns 1.2 million. Wikipedia policy is to use the commonly used term. This is a no-brainer.</li> <li>The anatomical analogy was not made very clearly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Coolcaesar" title="User:Coolcaesar">Coolcaesar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coolcaesar" title="User talk:Coolcaesar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z-Problems_with_ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ's_edits"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:47:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z"></span>I'm going to try and tackle this in order, but some stuff may be interspersed.</dd> <dd>First of, this is not an article on American Urban Geography, its an article on Arterial Thoroughfares, worldwide.</dd> <dd>Secondly, the examples you provided are entirely here-say evidence based on a few examples. The more common practise is based on the concession and township surveys carried out in the 17th to 19th centuries. Each concession is 100 chains (or 6600 feet) with a 66 foot right-of-way between them. This means that most of them are 1 and a quarter miles (or a little over 2 kilometres). The Traffic Engineering Handbook (the standard for North America) recommends a distance of two miles where possible. This is sourced.</dd> <dd>Thirdly, with regard to the popularity of the terms, I had no intention of changing the title without a formal discussion, but switching the order of the terms so that thoroughfare is second is relatively minor. I personally believe that road refers to the surface, and thoroughfare to the corridor. Road has become a colloquialism for any surface that vehicles pass over.</dd> <dd>Fourthly, the analogy can be reworded. The main point to get across is that arterials, as opposed to collectors and distributors, are meant for long distance movement between "activity centres".</dd> <dd>Fifth, a poorly worded analogy is not a reason to declare an editor as intoxicated, or writing in Engrish. - <b><a href="/wiki/User:Floydian" title="User:Floydian"><span style="color:#5A5AC5;">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floydian" title="User talk:Floydian"><sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Floydian" title="Special:Contributions/Floydian"><sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arterial_road#c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:47:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:47:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floydian-2010-12-14T19:47:00.000Z-Coolcaesar-2010-12-14T16:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arterial_road&oldid=1198696087">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Arterial_road&oldid=1198696087</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Highways_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Highways articles">Start-Class Highways articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Highways_articles" title="Category:High-importance Highways articles">High-importance Highways articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Road_transport_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Road transport articles">Start-Class Road transport articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Road_transport_articles" title="Category:High-importance Road transport articles">High-importance Road transport articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Highways_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Highways articles">WikiProject Highways articles</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Highways_articles_without_taskforce" title="Category:WikiProject Highways articles without taskforce">WikiProject Highways articles without taskforce</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 January 2024, at 20:53<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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