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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__9__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__5__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?&quot;,&quot;c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?&quot;,&quot;c-Sjakkalle-2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Too many short articles on opening variations?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Too many short articles on opening variations?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"></span>As <a href="/wiki/List_of_chess_openings" title="List of chess openings">list of chess openings</a> shows, there are a lot of short articles on sub-variations of the Ruy Lopez and the Sicilian. There are even such articles for Nimzo-Indian, Alekhine, English, Benko gambit, and others. Most of these articles are stubs of only one or two paragraphs. We need to decide whether to keep the articles this way or to merge them back into their main articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T16:48:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"></span>I think those article, which consist just of one paragraph should be merged back into main article. For example:</dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian,_Dragon,_Yugoslav_attack,_7...O-O" class="mw-redirect" title="Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 7...O-O">Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 7...O-O</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian,_Dragon,_Yugoslav_attack,_9.Bc4" class="mw-redirect" title="Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 9.Bc4">Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 9.Bc4</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian,_Dragon,_Yugoslav_attack,_10.O-O-O" class="mw-redirect" title="Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 10.O-O-O">Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 10.O-O-O</a> and</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian,_Dragon,_Yugoslav_attack,_12.h4" class="mw-redirect" title="Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 12.h4">Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 12.h4</a></li></ul> <p>should be merged into <a href="/wiki/Sicilian_Defence,_Dragon_Variation" title="Sicilian Defence, Dragon Variation">Sicilian Defence, Dragon Variation</a>. Create a separate article for each ECO code is quite bad idea. Larger variants, which already have quite a lot of info should stay, for example: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian_Defence,_Dragon_Variation" title="Sicilian Defence, Dragon Variation">Sicilian Defence, Dragon Variation</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian_Defence,_Scheveningen_Variation" title="Sicilian Defence, Scheveningen Variation">Sicilian Defence, Scheveningen Variation</a>,</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sicilian_Defence,_Najdorf_Variation" title="Sicilian Defence, Najdorf Variation">Sicilian Defence, Najdorf Variation</a>,</li></ul> <p>i.e. basically main variations with rich theory. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreas_Kaufmann" title="User:Andreas Kaufmann">Andreas Kaufmann</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z","author":"Andreas Kaufmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?","replies":["c-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z"></span>I think your proposal is exactly how it should be. And after looking at these overzealous opening articles that were linked above (the Dragon variations), I see they were created by a "WTHarvey" character whose main objective seemed to be linking to his web site in the external links. So these articles weren't created in good faith anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:SubSeven" title="User:SubSeven">SubSeven</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z","author":"SubSeven","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-08T19:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Assume good faith.</i> :-) Anyway, until the Sicilian article is short enough, they can be merged back. But perhaps in the far future, I can imagine that they will have right on existence as soon as somebody writes more than one paragraph sbout them. Today, my vote is rather neutral as I think that we have much more acute problems in this Wikiproject than stubs on openings.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z-SubSeven-2006-12-08T20:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z"></span>I agree that the subvariations of the Sicilian Yugoslav should be merged back into th Dragon article, and that the atricles on the Dragon, Schev, and Najdorf are certainly good enough to stand on their own. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-08T20:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z"></span>I just found <a href="/wiki/C86_(chess_opening)" class="mw-redirect" title="C86 (chess opening)">C86 (chess opening)</a>. I don't know how many ECO codes hace their own articles. This needs to be addressed too. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-08T21:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Sim_man" title="User:Sim man"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z"></span>User:Sim man</a> added C86 and some others. He says that he has a project to add all ECO codes. He is not a member of this project. I think we need to decide whether or not this should be done, and invite him to join this project. (He has not edited since Feb 2006 though.) <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z"></span>I've removed the text and made it a redirect. It didn't say anything that wasn't in <a href="/wiki/Ruy_Lopez#Worrall_Attack" title="Ruy Lopez">Ruy Lopez#Worrall Attack</a> and <a href="/wiki/Ruy_Lopez,_Worrall_Attack" class="mw-redirect" title="Ruy Lopez, Worrall Attack">Ruy Lopez, Worrall Attack</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-04-25T17:33:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-10T04:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sjakkalle-2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"></span>The Sicilian is an interesting case, although I tend to agree that there are more articles than needed, articles on variations which are too specific. However keep in mind that the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings devotes as much space to the Sicilian alone as they do to all the 1.e4 e5 openings <i>combined</i>. That all variations are collected under the "Sicilian" umbrella while we have Ruy Lopez, Italian, King's Gambit, Scotch, Vienna, etc. for the open games is an injustice caused by historical reasons. I think it is reasonable to have individual articles on some of the main variations such as the Closed Sicilian, Dragon Sicilian, Najdorf Sicilian and Scheveningen Sicilian, as well as some rarer lines (O'Kelly, Wing Gambit, and so on). But when the titles start to include <i>moves</i> instead of <i>names</i> the specialization is perhaps too great. <a href="/wiki/User:Sjakkalle" title="User:Sjakkalle">Sjakkalle</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjakkalle" title="User talk:Sjakkalle"><small>(Check!)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Sjakkalle-2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sjakkalle-2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z","author":"Sjakkalle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sjakkalle-2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sjakkalle-2007-01-05T14:14:00.000Z-Too_many_short_articles_on_opening_variations?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chess in FARC - your help needed&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chess in FARC - your help needed&quot;}--><h2 id="Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Chess" title="Chess">Chess</a> in FARC - your help needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chess in FARC - your help needed&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chess in FARC - your help needed&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed"></span>As you know, the article <a href="/wiki/Chess" title="Chess">Chess</a> is now a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review#Chess" title="Wikipedia:Featured article review">Featured article removal candidate</a>. We (=Andreas Kaufman, Bubba73, SandyGeorgia, myself...) addressed most of the initial concerns and the article has been completely rewritten since the nomination. So I hope that there are good chances that it will keep its Featured status. But there is still an important concern regarding inline citations in the History and Culture section - they are too few. Here in Prague I do not have access to English chess books, so please help if you have. For example: <i>History of Chess by Harold J. Murray; Chess: The History of a Game (Hardinge Simpole Chess Classics) by Richard Eales; History of Chess by Jerzy Gizycki.</i> Thank you,--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z-Chess_in_FARC_-_your_help_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"></span>I have <i>History of Chess</i> by Harold J. Murray.</s> I have <i>A short history of Chess</i>, by Davidson. I used that in the history of <a href="/wiki/Stalemate" title="Stalemate">stalemate</a>. If anything on history needs a reference, I'll look for it there. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-10T15:38:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-10T08:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Template-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Template&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Template&quot;}--><h2 id="Template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"></span>Template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Template-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Template-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Template&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Template&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template"></span>I have been working on creating for a template for the Chess articles (which can be found here <a href="/wiki/Template:Chess" title="Template:Chess">Template: Chess</a>). I thought this group might be interested in helping to make this better. <a href="/wiki/User:Remember" title="User:Remember">Remember</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z","author":"Remember","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z-Template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! The idea is great, we must only select better items for the template. For example I would replace the category People with "Leading chess players" (before Steinitz) and "World Chess Champions" (starting with Steinitz). Because "People" is too broad to be in a template - there are hundreds of notable chess players.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-13T11:17:00.000Z-Remember-2006-12-13T00:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-article_on_opening_traps?-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;article on opening traps?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;article on opening traps?&quot;}--><h2 id="article_on_opening_traps?" data-mw-thread-id="h-article_on_opening_traps?-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"><span id="article_on_opening_traps.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-article_on_opening_traps?-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"></span>article on opening traps?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-article_on_opening_traps?-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-article_on_opening_traps?-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-article_on_opening_traps?-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;article on opening traps?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;article on opening traps?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?"></span>As far as I know, there isn't an article on opening traps. <a href="/wiki/Checkmate" title="Checkmate">checkmate</a> gives a lot of quick checkmates in the opening. I think it would be good to have an article with other opening traps. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z-article_on_opening_traps?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"></span>The <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chess_traps">chess traps category</a> has a list of traps. <a href="/wiki/Checkmate" title="Checkmate">Checkmate</a> also has several quick checkmates in the openings. I propose moving both the list of traps from the category and the list of checkmates in the opening to a new article, and letting it be expanded. The new article could be "Chess opening traps" or "List of chess opening traps". <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T04:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z"></span>A general article may perhaps be good. But I would keep also the categories and the articles about the most important traps. And there are too many traps in openings...--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-18T15:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z"></span>Definitely keep the category and the indfividual articles. But move the list at the top of that to the new article and move most of the quick checkmates in <a href="/wiki/Checkmate" title="Checkmate">checkmate</a> to the new article. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-18T19:21:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-18T15:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Suggestion:_\&quot;Games_Collections\&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_\&quot;Games_Collections\&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Suggestion: \&quot;Games Collections\&quot; section on the chess template&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Suggestion: \&quot;Games Collections\&quot; section on the chess template&quot;}--><h2 id="Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"><span id="Suggestion:_.22Games_Collections.22_section_on_the_chess_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"></span>Suggestion: "Games Collections" section on the chess template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Suggestion:_\"Games_Collections\"_section_on_the_chess_template-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_\"Games_Collections\"_section_on_the_chess_template"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Suggestion:_\&quot;Games_Collections\&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_\&quot;Games_Collections\&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Suggestion: \&quot;Games Collections\&quot; section on the chess template&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Suggestion: \&quot;Games Collections\&quot; section on the chess template&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template"></span>The chess template may provide a way to solve a problem which has been bugging me for a while: links to games collections. In the "External links" section of nearly every major chess player, there is to a collection of their games - sometimes more than one link. chessgames.com seems to be the preferred link to use, but sometimes others are used. Recently there was a discussion here on whether another site's list of games (chessworld.net) was spam. The problem was, these different sites all might have slight advantages over one another. So should every player's page have links to their games at 2, 3, 4 or more sites? So instead, why not have EVERY player's page link to a page called something like "chess games collections", using the chess template? That page could provide detailed links to chessgames.com and whatever other games collections are out there. That way, rather when deciding whether or not an external link to a games page is spam, do it once on the "chess games collections" rather than 100 different times on 100 different player pages. Does this idea have merit? <a href="/wiki/User:Rocksong" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rocksong">Rocksong</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","author":"Rocksong","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_\"Games_Collections\"_section_on_the_chess_template","replies":["c-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z-Suggestion:_&quot;Games_Collections&quot;_section_on_the_chess_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"></span>This is an interesting idea. My main concern with it though is that you'd lose one-click access to the games collection for a particular player; you'd have to manually search by name once you get to the external site. I like the ChessGames links in particular because they have biographical information, statistics, and user comments in addition to the games collection (which I find actually kind of sucks, since you cannot download a collection as PGN). What if we keep both the individual ChessGames links on player pages and have a Chess Game Collections article? -<a href="/wiki/User:SpuriousQ" title="User:SpuriousQ">SpuriousQ</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z","author":"SpuriousQ","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps the "chess games collections" page could have all the relevant links: <i>Kasparov's games at chessgames.com</i>, <i>Karpov's games at chessgames.com</i>, etc. Of course that's still one extra click to get from Kasparov's page to Kasparov's games. I guess I'm suggesting trading off a small amount of browsing convenience, and in return gaining a large amount of editorial convenience (easier control of the spam links). <a href="/wiki/User:Rocksong" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rocksong">Rocksong</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z","author":"Rocksong","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rocksong-2006-12-20T04:57:00.000Z-SpuriousQ-2006-12-20T02:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"></span>It is an interesting idea, Rocksong, but I am rather against it because it means much more inconvenience for the readers. No only one click more, but also deciding which database to choose and searching in it. We, editors, should took the responsibility and decide what to link. Moreover, as SpuriousQ already mentioned, the purpose of the links is not only collection of games, but also more biographical information, and that is exactly why ChessGames is preferred at this time. - On the other side, I strongly support your idea to create an auxiliary article about collections of chess games and chess information on the web, maybe not in the main namespace. It should be linked from this wikiproject to help editors. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:26:00.000Z-Rocksong-2006-12-20T01:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Help on a Knight's Tour image&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Help on a Knight's Tour image&quot;}--><h2 id="Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_on_a_Knight&#039;s_Tour_image-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"><span id="Help_on_a_Knight.27s_Tour_image"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Help on a Knight's Tour image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__7__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Help on a Knight's Tour image&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Help on a Knight's Tour image&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image"></span>Hi! I'm working on an article on <a href="/wiki/The_Turk" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="The Turk">The Turk</a>, the chess playing automaton hoax. The machine was able to do the knight's tour, which we have an article of with a free image of a way to solve the knight's tour. I'm not good with images, but if I were to provide a picture from the book to someone to create an image of the knight's tour (I'm assuming since it's simply a chess puzzle that was completed by someone 300 years ago, copyright isn't an issue for the derivative), would someone be able to help? Thanks. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">badlydrawnjeff</a> <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z","author":"Badlydrawnjeff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z-Help_on_a_Knight's_Tour_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Hi, we already have an article about the <a href="/wiki/Knight%27s_tour" title="Knight's tour">knight's tour</a>, and the picture is there - use it if you wish. Greetings,--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T02:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but it's not the format in which the Turk solved it, which is more of what I'm looking for. If I had any graphic abilities, I'd do it myself... --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">badlydrawnjeff</a> <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z","author":"Badlydrawnjeff","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T08:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z"></span>OK, I understand. Why not take the image from the book? Is it copyrighted?--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T11:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z"></span>It appears to be (as the image gives the impression of it being made for it), and I wouldn't want to risk it anyway if it wasn't clear. An original derivative of the mapping would solve the quandry. I could possibly get away with a fair use rationale for it, but I know other people have made boards like this before and I haven't used any other fair use images on the article yet. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">badlydrawnjeff</a> <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z","author":"Badlydrawnjeff","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T12:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Then try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab">Wikipedia:Graphic Lab</a> - they should help you with creation of a vector graphics. Good luck!--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span>Perfect, thank you! --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">badlydrawnjeff</a> <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Badlydrawnjeff","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-20T14:45:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-20T14:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Stuart_Milner-Barry-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Stuart Milner-Barry&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Stuart Milner-Barry&quot;}--><h2 id="Stuart_Milner-Barry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stuart_Milner-Barry-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stuart_Milner-Barry-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Stuart_Milner-Barry" title="Stuart Milner-Barry">Stuart Milner-Barry</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stuart_Milner-Barry-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Stuart_Milner-Barry-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Stuart_Milner-Barry-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Stuart Milner-Barry&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Stuart Milner-Barry&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry"></span>Hello! I'm looking for feedback and/or collaboration on <a href="/wiki/Stuart_Milner-Barry" title="Stuart Milner-Barry">Stuart Milner-Barry</a>, a British chess player and World War II codebreaker. I know more about codebreaking than I do about chess, so I was hoping someone might be able to check or improve the article from the chess angle, or point me in the direction of additional sources that could be used. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto" title="User:Matt Crypto">— Matt <small>Crypto</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z","author":"Matt Crypto","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry","replies":["c-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 Matt Crypto"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z-Stuart_Milner-Barry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"></span>All I have is a short blurb about his variation of the Nimzo-Indian defense in Oxford Companion to Chess. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T03:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for having a look. There's a bit his variation in <a href="/wiki/Nimzo-Indian_Defence" title="Nimzo-Indian Defence">Nimzo-Indian Defence</a> (which is probably the best place to go into detail about the opening, rather than his biography). <a href="/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto" title="User:Matt Crypto">— Matt <small>Crypto</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z","author":"Matt Crypto","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014 Matt Crypto"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matt_Crypto-2006-12-23T16:02:00.000Z-Bubba73-2006-12-23T04:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Computer_chess-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Computer chess&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Computer chess&quot;}--><h2 id="Computer_chess" data-mw-thread-id="h-Computer_chess-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Computer_chess-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"></span>Computer chess<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Computer_chess-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Computer_chess-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Computer_chess-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Computer chess&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Computer chess&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess"></span>Hello and good luck with your project. Should I add <a href="/wiki/Kotok-McCarthy" title="Kotok-McCarthy">Kotok-McCarthy</a> (to which I added the project banner and portal) and <a href="/wiki/Kaissa" title="Kaissa">Kaissa</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Andreas_Kaufmann" title="User:Andreas Kaufmann">User:Andreas Kaufmann</a> (which I think you know about as it was on DYK recently) to the list of chess topics? Over time the articles might benefit from the project's expertise and access from the portal. Thank you either way and best wishes. -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z","author":"Susanlesch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z-Computer_chess"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"></span>Excuse me, to which list of chess topics? Best wishes to you, --<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z","c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T09:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Sorry forgot the link. <a href="/wiki/List_of_chess_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="List of chess topics">This one</a>.-<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z","author":"Susanlesch","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T10:43:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/MacHack_(chess)" class="mw-redirect" title="MacHack (chess)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"></span>MacHack (chess)</a> may also be of interest. I am sorry I do not know programming and chess well enough to make very many contributions to it. I did write to the USCF last summer. They no longer had a record of the honorary membership but said it was entirely possible. If you think it would help I will look up that correspondence. Best wishes. -<a href="/wiki/User:Susanlesch" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susanlesch">Susanlesch</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Susanlesch","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T10:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z"></span>You are welcome. Add them all. Thank you for the effort and Happy New Year.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2006-12-26T21:55:00.000Z-Susanlesch-2006-12-26T21:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;h-Oppose_to_switching-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PNG -&gt; SVG images&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;PNG -&gt; SVG images&quot;}--><h2 id="PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images" data-mw-thread-id="h-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"><span id="PNG_-.3E_SVG_images"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-PNG_->_SVG_images-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"></span>PNG -> SVG images<span data-mw-comment-end="h-PNG_->_SVG_images-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","h-Oppose_to_switching-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__42__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__7__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images&quot;,&quot;h-Oppose_to_switching-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PNG -&gt; SVG images&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;PNG -&gt; SVG images&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span>I posted an RFC at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Chess" class="extiw" title="meta:Talk:WikiProject Chess">meta:Talk:WikiProject Chess</a>. Please feel free to comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","replies":["c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"></span>It would be nice to have a new template, which uses your SVGs instead of PNG. For example, "Chess diagram experimental". Then we can add two diagrams here side by the side to make it easier to compare. Also it would be nice if your images and board colors would resemble the current one as much as possible. I think the current images are very nice and there are many screenshots already which use them, see e.g. <a href="/wiki/Hexagonal_chess" title="Hexagonal chess">Hexagonal chess</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreas_Kaufmann" title="User:Andreas Kaufmann">Andreas Kaufmann</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z","author":"Andreas Kaufmann","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2006-12-29T10:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-27T23:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span>Here you go: </p> <table> <tbody><tr> <td> <div class="thumb noviewer tcenter"><div class="center" style="line-height:130%;margin:0 auto;max-width:254px"> </div><div class="thumbinner" style="width:246px"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:88%;border:1px #c8ccd1 solid;padding:0;margin:auto"><tbody><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="vertical-align:inherit;padding:0"></td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">a</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">b</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">c</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">d</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">e</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">f</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">g</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">h</td><td style="vertical-align:inherit;padding:0"></td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;width:18px;height:26px">8</td><td colspan="8" rowspan="8" style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit"><div class="chess-board notheme" style="position:relative"><span class="notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/208px-Chessboard480.svg.png" decoding="async" width="208" height="208" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/312px-Chessboard480.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/416px-Chessboard480.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="480"/></span></span><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:0px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a8 black rook"><img alt="a8 black rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/26px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/39px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/52px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:26px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="b8 black knight"><img alt="b8 black knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/26px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/39px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/52px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:52px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="c8 black bishop"><img alt="c8 black bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/26px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/39px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/52px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:78px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d8 black queen"><img alt="d8 black queen" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/26px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/39px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/52px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:104px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="e8 black king"><img alt="e8 black king" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/26px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/39px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/52px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:130px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="f8 black bishop"><img alt="f8 black bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/26px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/39px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/52px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:156px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="g8 black knight"><img alt="g8 black knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/26px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/39px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/52px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:182px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="h8 black rook"><img alt="h8 black rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/26px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/39px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/52px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:26px;left:0px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a7 black pawn"><img alt="a7 black pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/26px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/39px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/52px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:26px;left:26px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="b7 black pawn"><img alt="b7 black pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/26px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/39px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/52px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:26px;left:52px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="c7 black pawn"><img alt="c7 black pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/26px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/39px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/52px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:26px;left:78px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d7 black pawn"><img alt="d7 black pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/26px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/39px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/52px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:26px;left:104px;width:26px;height:26px"><span 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1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:156px;left:156px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="g2 white pawn"><img alt="g2 white pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/26px-Chess_plt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:156px;left:182px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="h2 white pawn"><img alt="h2 white pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/26px-Chess_plt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:0px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a1 white rook"><img alt="a1 white rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/26px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/39px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/52px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:26px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="b1 white knight"><img alt="b1 white knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/26px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/39px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/52px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:52px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="c1 white bishop"><img alt="c1 white bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/26px-Chess_blt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/39px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/52px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:78px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d1 white queen"><img alt="d1 white queen" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Chess_qlt45.svg/26px-Chess_qlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Chess_qlt45.svg/39px-Chess_qlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Chess_qlt45.svg/52px-Chess_qlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:104px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="e1 white king"><img alt="e1 white king" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Chess_klt45.svg/26px-Chess_klt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Chess_klt45.svg/39px-Chess_klt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Chess_klt45.svg/52px-Chess_klt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:130px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="f1 white bishop"><img alt="f1 white bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/26px-Chess_blt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/39px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/52px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:156px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="g1 white knight"><img alt="g1 white knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/26px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/39px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/52px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:182px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="h1 white rook"><img alt="h1 white rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/26px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/39px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/52px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div></div></td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;width:18px;height:26px">8</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">7</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">7</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">6</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">6</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">5</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">5</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">4</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">4</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">3</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">3</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">2</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">2</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">1</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">1</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="vertical-align:inherit;padding:0"></td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">a</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">b</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">c</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">d</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">e</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">f</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">g</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">h</td><td style="vertical-align:inherit;padding:0"></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="thumbcaption"> PNG using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chess_diagram" title="Template:Chess diagram">Chess diagram</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> </div></div></div> </td> <td> <div class="thumb noviewer tcenter"><div class="center" style="line-height:130%;margin:0 auto;max-width:254px"> </div><div class="thumbinner" style="width:246px"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:88%;border:1px #c8ccd1 solid;padding:0;margin:auto"><tbody><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="vertical-align:inherit;padding:0"></td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">a</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">b</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">c</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">d</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">e</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">f</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">g</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:18px;width:26px">h</td><td style="vertical-align:inherit;padding:0"></td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;width:18px;height:26px">8</td><td colspan="8" rowspan="8" style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit"><div class="chess-board notheme" style="position:relative"><span class="notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/208px-Chessboard480.svg.png" decoding="async" width="208" height="208" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/312px-Chessboard480.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/416px-Chessboard480.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="480"/></span></span><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:0px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a8 black rook"><img alt="a8 black rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/26px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/39px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/52px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:26px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="b8 black knight"><img alt="b8 black knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/26px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/39px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/52px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:52px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="c8 black bishop"><img alt="c8 black bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/26px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/39px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/52px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:78px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d8 black queen"><img alt="d8 black queen" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/26px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/39px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/52px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:104px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="e8 black king"><img alt="e8 black king" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/26px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/39px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/52px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:130px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="f8 black bishop"><img alt="f8 black bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/26px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/39px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/52px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:156px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="g8 black knight"><img alt="g8 black knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/26px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/39px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/52px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:182px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="h8 black rook"><img alt="h8 black rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/26px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/39px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/52px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:26px;left:0px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a7 black pawn"><img alt="a7 black pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/26px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/39px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Chess_pdt45.svg/52px-Chess_pdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:156px;left:78px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d2 white pawn"><img alt="d2 white pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/26px-Chess_plt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:156px;left:104px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="e2 white pawn"><img alt="e2 white pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/26px-Chess_plt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:156px;left:130px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="f2 white pawn"><img alt="f2 white pawn" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/26px-Chess_plt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/26px-Chess_plt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/39px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chess_plt45.svg/52px-Chess_plt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:0px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a1 white rook"><img alt="a1 white rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/26px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/39px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/52px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:26px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="b1 white knight"><img alt="b1 white knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/26px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/39px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/52px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:52px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="c1 white bishop"><img alt="c1 white bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/26px-Chess_blt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/39px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/52px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:78px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d1 white queen"><img alt="d1 white queen" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Chess_qlt45.svg/26px-Chess_qlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Chess_qlt45.svg/39px-Chess_qlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Chess_qlt45.svg/52px-Chess_qlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:104px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="e1 white king"><img alt="e1 white king" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Chess_klt45.svg/26px-Chess_klt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Chess_klt45.svg/39px-Chess_klt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Chess_klt45.svg/52px-Chess_klt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:130px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="f1 white bishop"><img alt="f1 white bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/26px-Chess_blt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/39px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chess_blt45.svg/52px-Chess_blt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:156px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="g1 white knight"><img alt="g1 white knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/26px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/39px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Chess_nlt45.svg/52px-Chess_nlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:182px;left:182px;width:26px;height:26px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="h1 white rook"><img alt="h1 white rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/26px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/39px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Chess_rlt45.svg/52px-Chess_rlt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div></div></td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;width:18px;height:26px">8</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">7</td><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">7</td></tr><tr style="vertical-align:middle"><td style="padding:0;vertical-align:inherit;text-align:center;height:26px">6</td><td 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/176px-Chessboard480.svg.png" decoding="async" width="176" height="176" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/264px-Chessboard480.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Chessboard480.svg/352px-Chessboard480.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="480"/></span></span><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:0px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="a8 black rook"><img alt="a8 black rook" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/22px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/33px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Chess_rdt45.svg/44px-Chess_rdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:22px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="b8 black knight"><img alt="b8 black knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/22px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/33px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/44px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:44px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="c8 black bishop"><img alt="c8 black bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/22px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/33px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/44px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:66px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="d8 black queen"><img alt="d8 black queen" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/22px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/33px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Chess_qdt45.svg/44px-Chess_qdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:88px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="e8 black king"><img alt="e8 black king" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/22px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/33px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Chess_kdt45.svg/44px-Chess_kdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:110px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="f8 black bishop"><img alt="f8 black bishop" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/22px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/33px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Chess_bdt45.svg/44px-Chess_bdt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:132px;width:22px;height:22px"><span class="mw-valign-top notpageimage" typeof="mw:File"><span title="g8 black knight"><img alt="g8 black knight" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/22px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/33px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Chess_ndt45.svg/44px-Chess_ndt45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></span></span></div><div style="position:absolute;z-index:3;top:0px;left:154px;width:22px;height:22px"><span 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typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_bll45.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="f1"><img alt="f1" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Chess_bll45.svg/22px-Chess_bll45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Chess_bll45.svg/33px-Chess_bll45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Chess_bll45.svg/44px-Chess_bll45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_nld45.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="g1"><img alt="g1" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Chess_nld45.svg/22px-Chess_nld45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Chess_nld45.svg/33px-Chess_nld45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Chess_nld45.svg/44px-Chess_nld45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_rll45.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="h1"><img alt="h1" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Chess_rll45.svg/22px-Chess_rll45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Chess_rll45.svg/33px-Chess_rll45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Chess_rll45.svg/44px-Chess_rll45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_zver_22.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Chess_zver_22.png" decoding="async" width="14" height="178" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="14" data-file-height="178"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_zhor_22.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Chess_zhor_22.png" decoding="async" width="206" height="16" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="206" data-file-height="16"/></a></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="line-height: 1.4; text-align: left; font-size: 90%; padding: 2px">SVG using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chess_diagram_small/temp" title="Template:Chess diagram small/temp">Chess diagram small/temp</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Two issues I see: </p> <ul><li>the colors don't match but that's a <i>trivial</i> thing to change</li> <li>the border on the light pieces could be bigger on the SVGs to match the PNGs.</li></ul> <p>Otherwise they are pretty similar. The SVGs, not to my surprise, look sharper. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","replies":["c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z"></span>I will go ahead and start changing the background colors to match so depending on when you read this some of the images might not match. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z","c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"></span>Done. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2006-12-30T02:15:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"></span>The SVGs look ugly! I don't like them. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Sibahi" title="User:Sibahi">Sibahi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sibahi" title="User talk:Sibahi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sibahi" title="Special:Contributions/Sibahi">contribs</a>).</small></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Do you have anything constructive to say, or just here to complain? What makes them ugly because I have to put my nose to the screen and squint to tell the difference. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z-Cburnett-2006-12-30T00:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z"></span>Although I would not call them "ugly", I agree with Sibahi that the pieces, especially the Black ones, are better readable in PNG: look e.g. at the white borders on black Knights there; also the shapes of the pieces are better in PNG (SVG Pawns are too massive while the Bishops too small). Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/User:Ioannes_Pragensis" title="User:Ioannes Pragensis">Ioannes Pragensis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z","author":"Ioannes Pragensis","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T13:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z"></span>Comments I can work with, thank you. Keep listing more without getting too pedantic. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z-Ioannes_Pragensis-2007-01-02T14:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Generally I think the shape of the pieces is better in the diagram on the left, expecially the pawns and knights. Also, the black knight (on the left) has a bit of white outlining which helps. The other black pieces have a bit more white (at least on my screen) that helps them to look better. The prongs on the queen's crown look too crowded on the right. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sibahi-2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-02T14:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z"></span>Well, what Bubba73 said. The pieces shapes in the left diagram are better looking. There is more colour balance, that is to say: while the PNGs' borders are quite nice, the SVGs' borders are way too thin. Other than borders, the knight looks very.. er.. stiff. Almost all pieces lack balance between the upper part and the lower part, especially the king. His head is very big but his base is very small. I would draw the SVGs <i>exactly</i> like the PGNs, probably by importing the images to Adobe Illustrator or the program you use and draw over the lines. (The SVGs <i>do</i> look nice in the larger scale, but there is absolutely no need to show them in 90px!!) <small>I don't know if the pieces look differently in other people's screens, the way it looks in my screen is in <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Chessyyy.gif&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Chessyyy.gif (page does not exist)">image:chessyyy.gif</a> .</small> -<a href="/wiki/User:Sibahi" title="User:Sibahi"><i>Sibahi</i></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sibahi" title="User talk:Sibahi"><i><b>talk</b></i></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Sibahi-2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z","author":"Sibahi","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Sibahi-2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sibahi-2007-01-02T23:54:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-02T18:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span>So far I have fixed pawns, rooks, bishops, and kings. Comments on those? <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z"></span>I think that is a vast improvement! One thing, I liked the shape of the old SVG rook a little better, but that is not a big deal. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z"></span>The old version is still on the commons. This is why I'd like to see these chess pieces changed to SVG. :) Basically, the old SVG was narrower and slightly taller. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T02:41:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T02:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span>New queens and knights are uploaded. That should be all of them. Now which of all the above comments still stand? I know there are still subtle differences (in particular the "spine" of the knights") but at what point is it "good enough and tweakable to our heart's content in the future"? IMHO, they are good enough and anyone willing to spend hours perfecting the pieces is what wikipedia is all about. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z"></span>Good job, now there is very little difference. You are right about the spine of the knight - the white area on the black one helps define it a little better. And the shape of the old knight and old bishop are a little more what is usually printed in the literature. But I think that the differences are so small that the new ones are quite acceptable. About the only way they look inferior is a direct side by side comparison. In my opinion, these are good enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z"></span>Question</b>: in the old ones, besides putting an "X" (which you showed), you could also put a dot on a square as well as digits 1 through 9. These are needed - are they in the SVG version? <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z"></span>The best what I could find for the dot are: <dl><dd><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_xol44.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Chess_xol44.png" decoding="async" width="44" height="44" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="44" data-file-height="44"/></a></span> and <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_xod44.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Chess_xod44.png" decoding="async" width="44" height="44" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="44" data-file-height="44"/></a></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Those would be nigh trivial to make if that's what you're referring to.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As for digits 1 through 9, any particular size? The height of a chess piece or the size of the dot shwon above or somewhere inbetween? <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T03:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z"></span>Those dots look fine. As far as the digits, probably about half the height of the squares, centered. See <a href="/wiki/Corresponding_squares" title="Corresponding squares">Corresponding squares</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T03:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z"></span>Also see <a href="/wiki/King_and_pawn_versus_king" class="mw-redirect" title="King and pawn versus king">King and pawn versus king</a> for uses of dots and Xs. The SVG takes a lot longer to load. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z"></span>Those above were the original PNGs, here's the SVGs: <dl><dd><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_xol45.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Chess_xol45.svg/45px-Chess_xol45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="45" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Chess_xol45.svg/68px-Chess_xol45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Chess_xol45.svg/90px-Chess_xol45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span> <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_xod45.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Chess_xod45.svg/45px-Chess_xod45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="45" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Chess_xod45.svg/68px-Chess_xod45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Chess_xod45.svg/90px-Chess_xod45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Here is #1 in SVG: <dl><dd><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_x1l45.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Chess_x1l45.svg/45px-Chess_x1l45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="45" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Chess_x1l45.svg/68px-Chess_x1l45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Chess_x1l45.svg/90px-Chess_x1l45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span> <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Chess_x1d45.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Chess_x1d45.svg/45px-Chess_x1d45.svg.png" decoding="async" width="45" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Chess_x1d45.svg/68px-Chess_x1d45.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Chess_x1d45.svg/90px-Chess_x1d45.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="45" data-file-height="45"/></a></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd>The SVGs shouldn't take any longer after the first time media wiki converts the SVG to PNGs to actual viewing. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T04:19:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T04:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span>I added numbers 1-9, dots, and X's to the diagram for comparison. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z","c-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z-PNG_->_SVG_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"></span>Those look fine to me! <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for all your feedback! If anyone else would like to chime in, that'd be great. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T06:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z"></span>The new pictures look <i>much</i> better, I still prefer the PGNs though (the SVGs are a little sharp.) I have to say I don't see the need to change to the SVGs. But since you're working on them any way, you might to try it for the vriants. -<a href="/wiki/User:Sibahi" title="User:Sibahi"><i>Sibahi</i></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sibahi" title="User talk:Sibahi"><i><b>talk</b></i></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z","author":"Sibahi","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z"></span>Have a read: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Transition_to_SVG" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:Transition to SVG">commons:Commons:Transition to SVG</a>. I don't think I really need to make my own case, do I? <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T13:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z"></span>There is nothing at that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T14:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z"></span>Fixed, needed another "commons:" in the link. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-03T15:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z"></span>Well, according to this link you posted: "SVG images use more server resources to generate than a normal image view." This is in no way practical for the Chess project, especially that many articles have an awful lot of diagrams. Besides, this article only mentions flags and the sort, and probably mathematical diagrams. I don't see how SVGs can be useful to the Chess project in particular. So, I guess you need to make your own case. -<a href="/wiki/User:Sibahi" title="User:Sibahi"><i>Sibahi</i></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sibahi" title="User talk:Sibahi"><i><b>talk</b></i></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Sibahi","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T15:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z"></span>Server load is only when the file is rendered the first time. If the file doesn't change then the rendered version is cached and it's no faster than PNG (it is, in fact, converted to PNG). So the load issue is a moot issue since 26px is how their rendered everywhere in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chess_diagram" title="Template:Chess diagram">chess diagram</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>s. Since that seems to be your only complaint, then I ask you want about SVGs <i>don't</i> fit the chess project? The last two disadvantages don't apply unless you can list technical deficiencies of my SVG images. So that leaves only positive reasons which are iterated in the link and, IMHO, self-evident to anyone who understands vector graphics (and this is not the place to argue the merits of vector graphics).</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>So, really, what is your problem with SVGs? How pedantic and tedious do you want to get with comparisons? The SVGs are satisfactory to both Bubba73 and I. And, here's the best part, since they're SVG you have a <i><b>lossless</b></i> source that you can use to tweak and play with to get the pieces as perfect as you can possibly make them. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-03T20:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z"></span>In fact, the SVGs are re-downloading every single time I open the page. The only advantage for SVG over the current PGN is that you can get it larger. This a completely useless feature for the chess project, as you correctly pointed out "26px is how they're rendered everywhere in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chess_diagram" title="Template:Chess diagram">chess diagram</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>s."</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The problem I have with the SVGs (and you're obviously taking this personally,) is that the PGNs are <i>not</i> arousing any problems, they're working perfectly well and adaptable to any other addition to the current set. And, as <a href="/wiki/User:Andreas_Kaufmann" title="User:Andreas Kaufmann">Andreas Kaufmann</a> pointed out, they've already been used in non-template diagrams. My argument, simply put, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The PGNs are satisfactory to <i>almost</i> every member in Wikipedia. And none of these changes will be executed unless the people at MetaWiki go for their favour, so they can be applied to all Wikipedia projects. -<a href="/wiki/User:Sibahi" title="User:Sibahi"><i>Sibahi</i></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sibahi" title="User talk:Sibahi"><i><b>talk</b></i></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z","author":"Sibahi","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T22:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z"></span>First, it's PNG not PGN; if you're going to argue in favor of it at least be able to spell it right... Second, my only "taking it personally" is that basically all you've done here is complain. Calling my work "ugly" is a very poor way to start a conversation nor does do anything to your favor and saying that only creates animosity. So if you're complaining about me taking it personally then maybe you should be a tad more courteous (have I insulted you or your work?) and more tactful in what you say (see bubba73's and Ioannes Pragensis' response for tips). I can take criticism <i>just fine</i> but "ugly" is not helpful by any means and is an insult instead of constructive criticism. Don't complain when you started it.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>That said. The problem with PNGs is that they are raster-based images. I want to see a reference that vast majority of wikipedians not only are fine with PNGs but have an aversion for SVGs (two completely separate questions and I'm assuming a very vocal minor such as yourself). I'm fine with PNGs but, all things being equal, I'll gladly accept SVGs in their place. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Images_which_should_be_in_SVG_format&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Images which should be in SVG format (page does not exist)">Category:Images which should be in SVG format</a> is not empty. Neither is <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_that_should_use_vector_graphics" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Images that should use vector graphics">commons:Category:Images that should use vector graphics</a>. Clearly there are many people who are in favor of a technological improvement despite PNGs not arousing problems. The move toward SVGs is not spearheaded by myself, which is pretty much your implication when you place the vast majority of wikipedians on "your side". IMHO, sticking with the "satisfactory" status quo simply for its sake is not a very good reason especially when your real complaint is aesthetics or, more specifically, "ugly[ness]".</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>On a side tangent, if the SVGs are redownloading ever time then that's the fault of your browser since I just confirmed via the HTTP response headers that the rendered PNG <i>is being cached</i> by the squid servers meaning they are not being reconverted. In other words, your "problem/experience" is not due to the fact that it's a PNG-rendered SVG. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-04T12:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"></span>First of all, I apologize for misspelling PNGs, if this offends you in any way! As for your work being 'ugly', I responded to what you said in your very first sentence "feel free to comment." 'Ugly' was the first comment that popped to my head, and I wasn't trying to start a conversation. I merely critisized your work. If there's any problem it's that you didn't accept my criticism. You simply remarked that it wasn't "constructive". (By the way, it is spelled "ugl<i><b>i</b></i>ness", and I am not even a native English speaker!)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Second of all, there isn't a single comment here, except yours, suggesting the the SVGs are better than the PNGs. I am <i>only</i> talking about the Chess project, non-chess-diagram pictures cannot be included as examples. I still don't see why the change from PNG to SVG <i><b>only in the chess project</b></i> is needed, or how it will change any thing.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Third of all, I am glad you said the problem is in my browser, because I use IE7. I can safely presume it is one of the most widely used browsers on the planet, can't I? The fact that they're being cached by the squid server (whatever this means) doesn't change anything about how my browser handles the images.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>However, in order to stop the "battle", this is my final comment; you will not hear from me - in this page, at least - again. -<a href="/wiki/User:Sibahi" title="User:Sibahi"><i>Sibahi</i></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sibahi" title="User talk:Sibahi"><i><b>talk</b></i></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z","author":"Sibahi","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z"></span>You need to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a>: "Treat your fellow editor as a respected and admired colleague, who is working in collaboration with you on an important project."</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Saying "The SVGs look ugly!" speaks neither out of respect nor like a colleague and you're willingness to drop an insult without caring how it will be interpreted and having zero interest in explaining yourself speaks volumes about you. You seem to have zero care nor give any recognition that I'm trying to improve wikipedia in the ways that I can. If you don't like my work, FINE! But if you can't convey that civily and without insults then you best keep your thoughts to yourself because as WP:CIVIL says: "...we have every right to demand civility." Asking anyone to "feel free to comment" doesn't mean insults are fair game. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Sibahi-2007-01-05T00:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"></span>If you're taking requests, I'd love to see the pieces rendered in the classic <a href="/wiki/USCF" class="mw-disambig" title="USCF">USCF</a> style, as seen in <i>My 60 Memorable Games</i>. This link shows an example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3583">http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3583</a>. These pieces are IMHO <i>much</i> better looking than the ones we have now. (The sample link has an odd shading effect on the pieces that I dislike, but the shapes are good.) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:165.189.91.148&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:165.189.91.148 (page does not exist)">165.189.91.148</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z","author":"165.189.91.148","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-03T06:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z"></span>I would be happy to put forth the effort but I won't until the little battle with Sibahi is settled or more people chime in and a larger discussion about this takes place. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z-165.189.91.148-2007-01-04T19:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Since Sibahi is withdrawing, then I'll wait for anyone else to chime in. I'm a nice guy and I won't bite your head off for chiming in or not liking my work. I welcome suggestions and input on how to improve my images. (I appreciate Bubba73's input immensly!) Just be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">civil</a> about it... <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-04T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z"></span>Great job! However, I'm not really happy with the black knight. The spine almost grows out of its back. Can you move its top-part a little inwards, like in the png-version? And the black knight on white background has a completely different spine, it should be changed to match the rest.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>About USCF-style pieces. The current form of the chess template is already the second one. There was a long debate and a vote of the looks of it. Certainly you are free to create those new images but let's not replace the ones used in the template with them. Neither should we create a new, different-looking template nor add a parameter to the current template, as concistency between the diagrams in different pages is very important. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:14:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T01:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Oppose_to_switching" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oppose_to_switching-PNG_-&gt;_SVG_images-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oppose_to_switching-PNG_->_SVG_images-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"></span>Oppose to switching<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oppose_to_switching-PNG_->_SVG_images-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching"></span>I guess let me ask (in parallel, comments definitely still welcome) if there's anyone opposed to or supporting of switching from PNGs to SVGs? <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching","replies":["c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"></span>I think in general it would be nice to switch to SVG. It will be much easier to create <a href="/wiki/Fairy_chess_piece" title="Fairy chess piece">fairy chess pieces</a> from existing vector graphics pieces then from bitmap ones. However, I think the current SVG images still need some work: <ul><li>"X" is too large, it should be of the same size as in PNG (since it is usually used to show where the piece can move)</li> <li>Black king has a strange white dot in the middle (not present in a larger image version - SVG rendering bug?)</li> <li>White shadow on black knights could be wider (just as on PNG equivalent)</li> <li>Black queen bottom part looks somewhat blurred.</li> <li>SVG images for 6 fairy pieces are needed (see list in <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Chess_diagram#Syntax" title="Template talk:Chess diagram">Template talk:Chess diagram#Syntax</a>), but this certainly could be done after images for standard pieces are settled.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Besides this we also need compare PNG vs. SVG for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chess_diagram_small" title="Template:Chess diagram small">Chess diagram small</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template, which also used in many chess article. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreas_Kaufmann" title="User:Andreas Kaufmann">Andreas Kaufmann</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Andreas Kaufmann","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z"></span>Great. I'll work on it when I get home tonight. (FYI: I modified your comment to use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Tl" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Tl">tl</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template for easy linking. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cburnett-2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-05T22:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z"></span>Respone: <ul><li>"X" is reduced.</li> <li>The white dot has to do with the line being drawn. I can spend time trying to figure it out if it's that big of a deal</li> <li>Increased shadow on black knights</li> <li>PNG doesn't have a third line at the bottom so removing it made it look less cluttered</li> <li>Since several fairy pieces depend on the regular ones then I'll wait until they are settled to make the fairy ones</li></ul></dd> <dd>I will make a copy of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Chess_diagram_small" title="Template:Chess diagram small">Chess diagram small</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in a moment and place it above with the others. <a href="/wiki/User:Cburnett" title="User:Cburnett">Cburnett</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Cburnett-2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cburnett-2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z","author":"Cburnett","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cburnett-2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cburnett-2007-01-06T01:16:00.000Z-Cburnett-2007-01-05T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-06T17:13:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching"></span>White dot on black king is quite distracting, it would be nice to fix it. I think you need to separate two white arcs with a vertical black line in the middle. This is how it is done in png version. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreas_Kaufmann" title="User:Andreas Kaufmann">Andreas Kaufmann</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-06T17:13:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-06T17:13:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-06T17:13:00.000Z","author":"Andreas Kaufmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-06T17:13:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Kaufmann-2007-01-06T17:13:00.000Z-Oppose_to_switching"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wikipedia_Day_Awards-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia Day Awards&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia Day Awards&quot;}--><h2 id="Wikipedia_Day_Awards" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_Day_Awards-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_Day_Awards-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia Day Awards<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_Day_Awards-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Wikipedia_Day_Awards-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards","timestamp":"2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Wikipedia_Day_Awards-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia Day Awards&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Wikipedia Day Awards&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards"></span>Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza">Esperanza's</a> proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation_Week" title="User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week">User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week</a> where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. <a href="/wiki/User:Badbilltucker" title="User:Badbilltucker">Badbilltucker</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Badbilltucker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badbilltucker-2006-12-29T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Day_Awards"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Article_of_interest_peer_review-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Article of interest peer review&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Article of interest peer review&quot;}--><h2 id="Article_of_interest_peer_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_of_interest_peer_review-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_of_interest_peer_review-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z"></span>Article of interest peer review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_of_interest_peer_review-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Article_of_interest_peer_review-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review","timestamp":"2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Article_of_interest_peer_review-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Article of interest peer review&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Article of interest peer review&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review"></span>Just an FYI, I'm working on bringing <a href="/wiki/The_Turk" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="The Turk">The Turk</a> to featured article status. As one of the most famous chess-playing machines, it falls within this project's purview and is currently at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/The_Turk/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Peer review/The Turk/archive1">peer review</a>. Input and improvement would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">badlydrawnjeff</a> <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z","author":"Badlydrawnjeff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2006-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-Article_of_interest_peer_review"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;What is the pronouncation of Lucena?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;What is the pronouncation of Lucena?&quot;}--><h2 id="What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"><span id="What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"></span>What is the pronouncation of Lucena?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;What is the pronouncation of Lucena?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;What is the pronouncation of Lucena?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?"></span>What is the pronouncation of Lucena? <i>The Immortal Game</i> says it is Loo-THAY-na. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/pronounc.htm">this</a> says Lou-CHAYN-uh. Which is right? (I thought it was Lou-CHAYN-uh.) <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z-What_is_the_pronouncation_of_Lucena?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"></span>As far as I'm aware of the <a href="/wiki/Spanish_pronunciation" class="mw-redirect" title="Spanish pronunciation">Spanish pronunciation</a>, it's (closer to) Lou-THAY-na. Besides, the information in the <a href="/wiki/Immortal_Game" title="Immortal Game">Immortal Game</a> is sourced, unlike the random Geocities link you found. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T00:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z"></span>That's true. I added the THAY pronounciation to the <a href="/wiki/Lucena_position" title="Lucena position">Lucena position</a> article a couple hours ago. I don't think I've ever heard that though. When I first saw the name in print 35+ years ago, I thought "loo SEE na", but when I heard it pronounced, it was usually "ch". <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T01:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z"></span>Obviously those pronouncing it with "ch" (like "<i>chat</i>") do not know how to pronounce Spanish words. The "c" in Lucena should, as far as I know, be pronounced like "th" in "<i>the</i>" in English. Pronunciation instructions are always rather vague when written with latin alphabet like here, for the exact pronunciation we'd need to use the <a href="/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet" title="International Phonetic Alphabet">International Phonetic Alphabet</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z","c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-01-12T02:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"></span>I asked a foreign language professor, and he said: <dl><dd>Italian is Lu-Chain-a</dd> <dd>Castillian Espanish is Lu-Thain-a</dd> <dd>Messican Espanish is Lu-Sane-a. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"></span>In IPA, I believe the "c" is pronounced as IPA "θ" ('theta'), the unvoiced dental frictactive, as in English "thin", as opposed to "ð" ('eth'), the voiced dental frictative, as in English "that", which I believe all flavours of Spanish lack, though there's a somewhat similar sound in the pronounciation of "d" in some positions, in some dialects (I'm hazier on this part). <a href="/wiki/User:Alai" title="User:Alai">Alai</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z","author":"Alai","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alai-2007-01-27T09:15:00.000Z-ZeroOne-2007-01-12T23:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Relevant_FAC_nomination-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Relevant FAC nomination&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Relevant FAC nomination&quot;}--><h2 id="Relevant_FAC_nomination" data-mw-thread-id="h-Relevant_FAC_nomination-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Relevant_FAC_nomination-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Relevant FAC nomination<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Relevant_FAC_nomination-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Relevant_FAC_nomination-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Relevant_FAC_nomination-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Relevant FAC nomination&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Relevant FAC nomination&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination"></span>Hey all. <a href="/wiki/The_Turk" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="The Turk">The Turk</a>, an article that falls under the purview of this project, is currently a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/The_Turk" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Turk">featured article candidate</a>. Please share your input if you can. Thanks. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">badlydrawnjeff</a> <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Badlydrawnjeff (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Badlydrawnjeff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z-Relevant_FAC_nomination"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"></span>It seems that the article was promoted. Excellent! --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:44:00.000Z-Badlydrawnjeff-2007-02-14T12:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Advanced_Chess-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Advanced Chess&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Advanced Chess&quot;}--><h2 id="Advanced_Chess" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advanced_Chess-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advanced_Chess-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Advanced_Chess" class="mw-redirect" title="Advanced Chess">Advanced Chess</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advanced_Chess-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Advanced_Chess-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Advanced_Chess-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Advanced Chess&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Advanced Chess&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess"></span>Just saw that this was nominated for deletion, seems a bit of an orphan, so I figured it might escape people's attention. Figured I'd ask people here to comment on the AfD. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FrozenPurpleCube&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FrozenPurpleCube (page does not exist)">FrozenPurpleCube</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z","author":"FrozenPurpleCube","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z-Advanced_Chess"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"></span>The result was unanimous <b>keep</b>. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:50:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T16:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>keep</b> as well. this is far from a problem page, let alone a delete! --<a href="/wiki/User:Matthew_Yeager" title="User:Matthew Yeager">Matthew_Yeager</a> 1:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-ECO_chess_openings-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;ECO chess openings&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;ECO chess openings&quot;}--><h2 id="ECO_chess_openings" data-mw-thread-id="h-ECO_chess_openings-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ECO_chess_openings-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span>ECO chess openings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ECO_chess_openings-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ECO_chess_openings-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-ECO_chess_openings-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;ECO chess openings&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;ECO chess openings&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theandrewdotcom&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theandrewdotcom (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings"></span>User:Theandrewdotcom</a> seems to have begun creating an article for each of the 500 ECO chess opening codes listed at <a href="/wiki/List_of_chess_openings" title="List of chess openings">List of chess openings</a>. See <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Theandrewdotcom" title="Special:Contributions/Theandrewdotcom">his contributions list</a>. So far he has created articles for 200 of the 500 codes. </p><p>I would question whether each of these codes are notable enough for their own article and suggest they should be merged into <a href="/wiki/List_of_chess_openings" title="List of chess openings">List of chess openings</a>. I have left a comment to this effect on <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Theandrewdotcom&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Theandrewdotcom (page does not exist)">his talk page</a>. </p><p>I think it might be appropriate to propose the deletion of each of these newly created articles but first seek the opinions and knowledge of participants of this project. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Adambro&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Adambro (page does not exist)">Adambro</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Adambro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings","replies":["c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z-ECO_chess_openings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Oy, you're right. I'm going to report this to an administrator, it's a real problem and obviously a script. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FrozenPurpleCube&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FrozenPurpleCube (page does not exist)">FrozenPurpleCube</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z","author":"FrozenPurpleCube","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z"></span>It is my opinion that we should not have an article for each of the 500 ECO codes. However, that should be the subject of a discussion within this project. <a href="/wiki/User:Bubba73" title="User:Bubba73">Bubba73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bubba73" title="User talk:Bubba73">(talk)</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z","author":"Bubba73","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Adambro-2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-10T21:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adambro-2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z"></span>Each of the 200 articles have been changed to redirect as part of a discussion of this issue at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&amp;oldid=114530811#User_Theandrewdotcom_adding_lots_of_chess_openings">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> so it might be that this has been resolved. The user name in question has also been blocked due to violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:U" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:U">WP:U</a> (Usernames that contain a domain or imply a web address). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Adambro&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Adambro (page does not exist)">Adambro</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Adambro-2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adambro-2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Adambro","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Adambro-2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adambro-2007-03-11T12:13:00.000Z-Bubba73-2007-03-10T23:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Hmm, I'm not convinced that these are good choices for redirects, but redirects are cheap, so I won't worry about it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FrozenPurpleCube&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FrozenPurpleCube (page does not exist)">FrozenPurpleCube</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z","author":"FrozenPurpleCube","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-03-12T22:32:00.000Z-Adambro-2007-03-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Infobox_chess_player-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Infobox chess player&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Infobox chess player&quot;}--><h2 id="Infobox_chess_player" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox_chess_player-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox_chess_player-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Infobox chess player<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox_chess_player-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Infobox_chess_player-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Infobox_chess_player-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Infobox chess player&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Infobox chess player&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player"></span>I've started the Template Infobox chess player, <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_chess_player" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox chess player">here</a>. It still needs a lot of work, so feel free... <a href="/wiki/User:Skarioffszky" title="User:Skarioffszky">Skarioffszky</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Skarioffszky","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z-Infobox_chess_player"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Hey, great work! :) Should the "Rating" title be changed into "FIDE rating" for disambiguation? --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:43:00.000Z-Skarioffszky-2007-03-14T15:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Two_important_items-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Two important items&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Two important items&quot;}--><h2 id="Two_important_items" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two_important_items-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two_important_items-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"></span>Two important items<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two_important_items-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Two_important_items-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z","timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Two_important_items-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Two important items&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Two important items&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items"></span>1. I've been working extensively to improve <a href="/wiki/Endgame_tablebase" title="Endgame tablebase">endgame tablebase</a> to GA or FA status. The main reason I'm not submitting it yet is that the references are a hopeless mess (but they are cited!), and I'm not sure how to fix that. I'd appreciate if y'all would take a look and see in general how to improve the article. </p><p>2. As I was working on this article, it occurred to me that we should have a simple template at the top of any chess article with notation, saying the following: </p> <dl><dd><i>This article uses <a href="/wiki/Algebraic_chess_notation" class="mw-redirect" title="Algebraic chess notation">algebraic chess notation</a> to describe chess moves.</i></dd></dl> <p>I find that a lot more coherent than the ad hoc method of inserting (see <a href="/wiki/Algebraic_notation" class="mw-disambig" title="Algebraic notation">algebraic notation</a>) in the middle of every article. I would have already created the template, but I don't know how. Do you folks think it's a good idea? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YechielMan&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YechielMan (page does not exist)">YechielMan</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z","author":"YechielMan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items","replies":["c-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z-Two_important_items"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"></span>not sure what your prob with the refs are... the only things i noticed was that a couple were pure external links, cite them with {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}} between the ref tags; also Notes should be a subheading under References.</dd> <dd>to create your template <a href="/wiki/Template:Acn" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Acn">click here</a>, and type</dd></dl></dd></dl> <pre>''This article uses [[algebraic chess notation]] to describe chess moves.'' </pre> <dl><dd><dl><dd>in the edit box, then you just type {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Acn" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Acn">acn</a>}} at the beginning of the articles. More info at <a href="/wiki/Help:Template" title="Help:Template">Help:Template</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:Zappernapper" title="User:Zappernapper">ΖαππερΝαππερ</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zappernapper" title="User talk:Zappernapper">Babel</a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zappernapper" title="Special:Contributions/Zappernapper">Alexandria</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z","author":"Zappernapper","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u0396\u03b1\u03c0\u03c0\u03b5\u03c1\u039d\u03b1\u03c0\u03c0\u03b5\u03c1"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z-YechielMan-2007-03-22T08:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z"></span>I helped YechielMan to improve the article and as far as I can see all issues that were pointed out are now fixed. The responses at the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Endgame_tablebase&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Endgame tablebase (page does not exist)">FAC page</a> stopped a week ago. Can anyone find anything more to do or could you people just add support votes? --<a href="/wiki/User:ZeroOne" title="User:ZeroOne">ZeroOne</a> (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZeroOne" title="User talk:ZeroOne">talk</a></small> | <small><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne" title="Special:EmailUser/ZeroOne">@</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z","author":"ZeroOne","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZeroOne-2007-04-12T12:38:00.000Z-Zappernapper-2007-03-24T19:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chess openings nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion\/Alekhine's defense, Modern variation, 4...Bg4&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chess openings nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion\/Alekhine's defense, Modern variation, 4...Bg4&quot;}--><h2 id="Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhine's_defense,_Modern_variation,_4...Bg4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z"><span id="Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FAlekhine.27s_defense.2C_Modern_variation.2C_4...Bg4"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z"></span>Chess openings nominated for deletion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhine%27s_defense,_Modern_variation,_4...Bg4" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alekhine's defense, Modern variation, 4...Bg4">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alekhine's defense, Modern variation, 4...Bg4</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin","timestamp":"2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chess openings nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion\/Alekhine's defense, Modern variation, 4...Bg4&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chess openings nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion\/Alekhine's defense, Modern variation, 4...Bg4&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin"></span>Hi, I'm just letting you folks know that I've not seen any action on these pages worth speaking about, so I decided to bite the bullet and nominate some of them for deletion. I do hope this can lead to some improvement in these pages, and some serious action being taken. I do not feel a wholesale deletion is necessary, but some work needs to be done. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FrozenPurpleCube&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FrozenPurpleCube (page does not exist)">FrozenPurpleCube</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z","author":"FrozenPurpleCube","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Alekhin","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-12T20:38:00.000Z-Chess_openings_nominated_for_deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alekhin"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-United_States_Chess_League-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;United States Chess League&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;United States Chess League&quot;}--><h2 id="United_States_Chess_League" data-mw-thread-id="h-United_States_Chess_League-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-United_States_Chess_League-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/United_States_Chess_League" title="United States Chess League">United States Chess League</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-United_States_Chess_League-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-United_States_Chess_League-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League","timestamp":"2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-United_States_Chess_League-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League&quot;],&quot;uneditableSection&quot;:true,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;United States Chess League&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;United States Chess League&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League"></span>I don't know if this is real or not, the article itself is a problem, but the lack of any kind of coverage besides some blog posts makes me wonder if it's real, and if so, if it's truly notable. I've nominated it for deletion, so if anybody can contribute any sources or authority on the page, I'd appreciate it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FrozenPurpleCube&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FrozenPurpleCube (page does not exist)">FrozenPurpleCube</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess/Archive_2#c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z","author":"FrozenPurpleCube","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrozenPurpleCube-2007-04-13T21:58:00.000Z-United_States_Chess_League"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐78f4c97c5d‐5lbz6 Cached time: 20241129041529 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.080 seconds CPU time usage: 0.397 seconds Real time usage: 0.629 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1306/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 90056/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 888/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 14/100 Expensive parser function count: 10/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 1747/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.069/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2240053/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 156.914 1 -total 59.82% 93.864 1 Template:Atnhead 22.16% 34.770 2 Template:Is_redirect 15.69% 24.617 1 Template:Chess_diagram/sandbox 12.82% 20.119 1 Template:Chess_diagram 6.91% 10.848 1 Template:Chess_diagram_small 4.28% 6.708 1 Template:FULLBASEPAGENAME 4.18% 6.558 9 Template:Tl 3.43% 5.389 1 Template:Chess_diagram_small/temp 2.53% 3.964 1 Template:Ns_has_subpages --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:10905730-0!canonical and timestamp 20241129041529 and revision id 658938579. 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