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vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#German_administrative_units"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>German administrative units</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-German_administrative_units-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ratko_Janev" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ratko_Janev"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Ratko Janev</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ratko_Janev-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Non-Western_forenames" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Non-Western_forenames"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Non-Western forenames</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">50 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Non-Western_forenames-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Non-Western forenames subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Non-Western_forenames-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Added_reflection" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Added_reflection"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.1</span> <span>Added reflection</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Added_reflection-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-عيسى/ʿIsa" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#عيسى/ʿIsa"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.2</span> <span>عيسى/ʿIsa</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-عيسى/ʿIsa-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Malaysian_and_Greek_names" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Malaysian_and_Greek_names"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.3</span> <span>Malaysian and Greek names</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Malaysian_and_Greek_names-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Iterum_de_capsis_urbium"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Iterum de capsis urbium</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Editathon_Barii" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Editathon_Barii"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Editathon Barii</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Editathon_Barii-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-De_pagina_nova_creanda" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#De_pagina_nova_creanda"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>De pagina nova creanda</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-De_pagina_nova_creanda-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>User with IP adresses can change Userpages ?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Somnolentia?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Somnolentia?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Somnolentia?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Somnolentia?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Caretaker government /gouvernement en affaires courantes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Professions,_functions_etc." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Professions,_functions_etc."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Professions, functions etc.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Professions,_functions_etc.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Macrons?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Macrons?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Macrons?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Macrons?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_with_translation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_with_translation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Help with translation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Help_with_translation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Propositio_paginae_cottidianae"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Propositio paginae cottidianae</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>"usor" aut "usuarius"?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administration_-_one_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administration_-_one_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span><i>Administration</i> - one question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administration_-_one_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Parliamentum de tralatione: FVNGENDO CONSVMOR</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>difficultas in pagina scribenda</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>eandem difficultatem habui in ultima pagina scribenda.</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Salvete Vicipaediani eruditissimi!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>arcus aeranaceus or 'sand box'</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Broadcast standard CC-BY videos available from ZDF, could be Latinized</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">43 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Broadcast standard CC-BY videos available from ZDF, could be Latinized subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Files_available_for_subtitling" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Files_available_for_subtitling"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.1</span> <span>Files available for subtitling</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Files_available_for_subtitling-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.2</span> <span>Subtitle files ready to edit</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.2.1</span> <span>German text ready for Latin to be added</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.2.2</span> <span>German and English together ready for Latin to be added</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nearly_done?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nearly_done?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.2.3</span> <span>Nearly done?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Nearly_done?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Completed_for_checking" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Completed_for_checking"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.2.4</span> <span>Completed for checking</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Completed_for_checking-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-First_check_made" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#First_check_made"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.2.5</span> <span>First check made</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-First_check_made-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3</span> <span>Files that may be particularly relevant</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Prehistory" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prehistory"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.1</span> <span>Prehistory</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Prehistory-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ancient" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ancient"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.2</span> <span>Ancient</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Ancient-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Roman" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Roman"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.3</span> <span>Roman</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Roman-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Early_Germans" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Early_Germans"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.4</span> <span>Early Germans</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Early_Germans-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Post_Roman_and_medieval" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Post_Roman_and_medieval"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.5</span> <span>Post Roman and medieval</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Post_Roman_and_medieval-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Early_modern" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Early_modern"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.6</span> <span>Early modern</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Early_modern-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Other_historical" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Other_historical"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.3.7</span> <span>Other historical</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Other_historical-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_Workflow_for_subtitling" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_Workflow_for_subtitling"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29.4</span> <span>My Workflow for subtitling</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-My_Workflow_for_subtitling-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disney_cartoon_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disney_cartoon_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Disney cartoon articles</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">14 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Disney_cartoon_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Celtic Knot Conference 2020</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>De Translitteratione Nominum Serum Priscorum</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#red_links_vel_tituli_rubri"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>red links vel tituli rubri</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pagina_Thom_Jones" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pagina_Thom_Jones"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Pagina Thom Jones</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Pagina_Thom_Jones-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Quomodo dicere eighties, nineties twenties etc Latine?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Latin_chatroom" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Latin_chatroom"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Latin chatroom</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Latin_chatroom-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Primam_paginam_confectam!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Primam_paginam_confectam!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Primam paginam confectam!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Primam_paginam_confectam!-sublist" 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class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Scribere paginas fas est, cum tamen nec citi nec nexi additi sunt?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Namespace_aliases" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Namespace_aliases"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Namespace aliases</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Namespace_aliases-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Members_of_political_parties" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Members_of_political_parties"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Members of political parties</span> </div> </a> <span 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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sleeping_sickness_._._."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Sleeping sickness . . .</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sleeping_sickness_._._.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_design?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_design?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>New design?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-New_design?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Glaring_omission?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Glaring_omission?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Glaring omission?</span> </div> </a> <span 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Non est recensendum. </p> <span style="font-size: .75em;">Sententiae hic collectae inter dies <time datetime="2020-01-03"><a href="/wiki/3_Ianuarii" title="3 Ianuarii">3 Ianuarii</a> <a href="/wiki/2020" title="2020">2020</a></time> et <time datetime="2020-12-31"><a href="/wiki/31_Decembris" title="31 Decembris">31 Decembris</a> <a href="/wiki/2020" title="2020">2020</a></time> scriptae sunt.</span><div style="margin-top: 1em; text-align: center;"><span class="plainlinks" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; border: .05em solid; border-color: #aaa #555 #555 #aaa; border-radius: .8em; padding: .1em .9em; color: #000; background-color: #f2f2f2; background-image: linear-gradient(to bottom, #fcfcfc, #e0e0e0)">❮ <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_29" title="Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 29">Tabularium 29</a></span> <span class="plainlinks" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; border: .05em solid; border-color: #aaa #555 #555 #aaa; border-radius: .8em; padding: .1em .9em; color: #000; background-color: #f2f2f2; background-image: linear-gradient(to bottom, #fcfcfc, #e0e0e0)"><a href="/wiki/Specialis:Praefixa/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium" title="Specialis:Praefixa/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium">Omnia tabularia</a></span> <span class="plainlinks" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; border: .05em solid; border-color: #aaa #555 #555 #aaa; border-radius: .8em; padding: .1em .9em; color: #000; background-color: #f2f2f2; background-image: linear-gradient(to bottom, #fcfcfc, #e0e0e0)"><a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_31" title="Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 31">Tabularium 31</a> ❯</span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Magistratura" data-mw-thread-id="h-Magistratura-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Magistratura-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z"></span>Magistratura<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Magistratura-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z-Magistratura"></span>Ite, o amici, ad paginam <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Petitio_magistratus" title="Vicipaedia:Petitio magistratus">Vicipaedia:Petitio magistratus</a>. Tres usores ad magistraturam ibi proponuntur. Date s.v.p. voces vestras! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z-Magistratura" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 3 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z-Magistratura"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-03T13:57:00.000Z-Magistratura"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Grapheocratae" data-mw-thread-id="h-Grapheocratae-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Grapheocratae-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Grapheocratae<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Grapheocratae-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z-Grapheocratae"></span>Nonne et <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Grapheocrates" title="Vicipaedia:Grapheocrates">grapheocratarum</a> numerus renovandus est? Nec paginam petitionis usquam nec quidquid de electione inveni. Si recte intelligo, a conditione huius Vicipaediae nemo de hoc cogitavit nec quidquid mutabatur.<br /> Si tamen existit processus electionis grapheocratarum, nemo nisi <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andreas Dalby</a> proponendus est, qui Vicipaediam omnibus modis et omnibus diebus curat. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z-Grapheocratae" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 4 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z-Grapheocratae"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z-Grapheocratae"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Pro certo <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew</a> noster ad hoc munus perficiendum proponendus est. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 4 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-04T16:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-05T09:42:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z"></span>Gratias ago ambobus. Haesitavi quia rarius grapheocratae singuli necesse est, rarissime duorum! Grapheocrates noster, <a href="/wiki/Usor:Adam_Bishop" title="Usor:Adam Bishop">Adam Bishop</a>, Latinista, omne quod quaerimus (de creatione magistratuum novorum, de destitutione magistratuum non activorum, de renominatione usorum) statim perficit. Si autem censetis melius esse grapheocratam secundum eligere, propositionem accipio. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-05T09:42:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-05T09:42:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-05T09:42:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-04T20:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-05T22:39:00.000Z-Grapheocratae"></span>In <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Harenarium" title="Vicipaedia:Harenarium">harenario</a> paginam de grapheocratarum electione delineavi, ibi aliquod tempus manebit (num corrigenda aut emendanda est?). Si non, post aliquot dies (post hebdomadem?) talem paginam creabo. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-05T22:39:00.000Z-Grapheocratae" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 5 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-05T22:39:00.000Z-Grapheocratae"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-05T22:39:00.000Z-Grapheocratae"></span> </p> <dl><dd>(<a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Electiones_grapheocratarum" title="Vicipaedia:Electiones grapheocratarum">Creata est</a>.)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque" data-mw-thread-id="h-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span>De capsibus urbium communitatumque<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque"></span>Quite a large number of our pages about cities, towns and villages currently still use country-specific infobox templates, such as {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Capsa_communis_Germanici&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Capsa communis Germanici (non est haec pagina)">Capsa communis Germanici</a>}}, {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Capsa_communis_Germanici_2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Capsa communis Germanici 2 (non est haec pagina)">Capsa communis Germanici 2</a>}} or {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Commune_Germaniae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Commune Germaniae (non est haec pagina)">Commune Germaniae</a>}} (these three are not identical), {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Capsa_communis_Polonici&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Capsa communis Polonici (non est haec pagina)">Capsa communis Polonici</a>}}, {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Commune-Franciae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Commune-Franciae (non est haec pagina)">Commune-Franciae</a>}} or {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Municipium_Italiae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Municipium Italiae (non est haec pagina)">Municipium Italiae</a>}}, just to name a few. </p><p>In nearly all cases, the infobox content in the individual articles (e.g. number of inhabitants, name of the city mayor) has not been updated since the article was created, and therefore these infoboxes today partly contain <b>outdated information</b>. </p><p>Furthermore, a number of the templates mentioned above (most notably: {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Commune_Germaniae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Commune Germaniae (non est haec pagina)">Commune Germaniae</a>}} and {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Municipium_Italiae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Municipium Italiae (non est haec pagina)">Municipium Italiae</a>}}) currently have technical problems and therefore cause large numbers of articles to be listed on <a href="/wiki/Specialis:LintErrors" title="Specialis:LintErrors">Special:LintErrors</a>, in particular in the "missing end tag" section. </p><p>I therefore propose to replace all these templates with {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_urbis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa urbis Vicidata">Capsa urbis Vicidata</a>}}, which is already in use in more than 1 000 articles and which takes all infobox content (e. g. coat-of-arms image, number of inhabitants, etc.) from Vicidata, where that content is held up-to-date much better than here on la.wikipedia. If there is no objection, <a href="/wiki/Usor:UVbot" title="Usor:UVbot">Usor:UVbot</a> could help with replacing all these templates with {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_urbis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa urbis Vicidata">Capsa urbis Vicidata</a>}}. What do you think? Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z-De_capsibus_urbium_communitatumque"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span>I should add the proposal to replace infoboxes about other territorial subdivisions (e. g. {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Civitas_Americae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Civitas Americae (non est haec pagina)">Civitas Americae</a>}}, {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Terra_Foederalis_Germaniae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Terra Foederalis Germaniae (non est haec pagina)">Terra Foederalis Germaniae</a>}} and {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Provincia_Terrae_Foederalis_Germaniae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Provincia Terrae Foederalis Germaniae (non est haec pagina)">Provincia Terrae Foederalis Germaniae</a>}}) with {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_subdivisionis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata">Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata</a>}}. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-06T16:05:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z"></span>Seems like a good idea! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-06T16:05:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-06T16:05:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-06T16:05:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z"></span>Sic, bonum conslilium. — <a href="/wiki/Disputatio:Praeneste" title="Disputatio:Praeneste">Hic, in disputatione Praenestis</a>, et alium errorem in paginis Italianis disputavimus: ===Victi=== => ===Hic vixerunt===. Mille paginae cum victis sunt, nemo, nisi automaton, hoc corrigere possit! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z"></span>Recte mones. UVbot potest mutare et {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Municipium_Italiae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Municipium Italiae (non est haec pagina)">Municipium Italiae</a>}} in {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_urbis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa urbis Vicidata">Capsa urbis Vicidata</a>}} et ===Victi=== in ===Hic vixerunt===. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-06T17:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z"></span>In principle nothing against. I would just issue two caveats: The first is that we should still check each and every time whether there isn't any information lost that should be there (and thus be inserted into the text at that occasion). I did a check on <a href="/wiki/Crefeldia" title="Crefeldia">Crefeldia</a>, and there are some details that would be lost, but nothing I would have put there if it hadn't been for the template. I would probably just move the image to the pinacotheca. Still, we should always check. My other point is that quite some Wikidata items will appear in English. That should be the occasion to put a Latin label to those items, even if we don't have the relevant page (yet). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T17:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z"></span>Well, neither does UVbot have the capabilities nor do I have the resources to check the contents of individual articles or individual wikidata entries. I can therefore only propose and offer to replace the infobox with the Wikidata one <b>without</b> checking the contents (which is why I am asklng for your opinions here on the Taberna beforehand) - in my view, the benefits of gaining up-to-dateness (or, the benefits of losing outdated information) <b>outweigh</b> the disadvantage of losing some information currently not (yet) present on the Wikidata infobox (information that is currently still accurate but may become inaccurate in the future). When all infobox content comes from Vicidata, we can focus on keeping up-to-date the text of articles, which is where the most relevant information belongs (car licence plate letter combinations or telephone number prefixes should probably not be added to the text of the article).</dd> <dd>If you think we will be better off maintaining the status quo, then I will not change those infoboxes. What is your view, should we rather preserve the status quo (with the partly outdated contents of the different country-specific infoboxes) for now (until we find someone who performs the checks you describe) or should we now switch to Vicidata infoboxes (in spite of the risk of losing certain information that is present in the current infoboxes and that is for now still up-to-date)? Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T17:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z"></span>Could you have your bot make a list of the pages where it has replaced the infobox? Anybody checking a page could then delete it from that list. For me, that would be good enough, and we would have the advantages you referred to. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T18:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z"></span>No problem, fine! --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 6 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-06T18:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z"></span>I apologise for not commenting here before: as anyone might observe, I have been slightly fixated on tuna and oysters over this period, and I failed to see the above comments until now. I designed those Wikidata infoboxes and I am well aware of their limitations, but my aim, as UV hints, was to ensure that we can have infoboxes that are neat, regular, and as up-to-date as Wikidata -- and to give us all more time for writing Latin text etc. rather than filling in boxes -- and to encourage us to place notable information right there in the text. So I am in favour of the change that UV proposes. As discussed, a list of pages affected will allow anyone working on a particular page or region to verify whether something useful has been lost. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 10 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T19:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span>A list containing links to a diff for each page would be the most useful of all. Is it possible? That way anyone could see at once what was eliminated when "Capsa urbis Vicidata" was added. In some cases there would be a good image, whose name could be copied from the diff and inserted as a separate image into the revised page.</dd> <dd>I should explain that I did not choose to include a photograph of the city from Wikidata into our "Capsa urbis Vicidata", for several reasons: Wikidata has no proper policy for the choice of image; it often has more than one, and our capsa cannot select among them; it often has a collage, which is not encyclopedic unless fully captioned; whatever the image there is rarely any caption at all, and never in Latin. So I included a coat of arms, a map, but not a photographic image. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 11 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-10T19:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z"></span>I made a few test edits and started a list of the pages UVbot has edited at <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Automata/Formulae_capsarum_urbium" title="Vicipaedia:Automata/Formulae capsarum urbium">Vicipaedia:Automata/Formulae capsarum urbium</a>. Is the list format appropriate? Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T20:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span>Looks good to me. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-12T14:16:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z"></span>Very useful. The arrangement by country is an excellent idea, because that's the way editors often work. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-12T14:16:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-12T14:16:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-12T14:16:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-12T12:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:27:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span>Optime! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:27:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:27:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:27:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-12T00:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span>Before I make a mistake: I would not only replace {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Loci_inhabitati_Graeciae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Loci inhabitati Graeciae (non est haec pagina)">Loci inhabitati Graeciae</a>}}, but also {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Callicratis_demus_Graeciae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Callicratis demus Graeciae (non est haec pagina)">Callicratis demus Graeciae</a>}} both with {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_urbis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa urbis Vicidata">Capsa urbis Vicidata</a>}}, correct? Or should I rather replace {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Callicratis_demus_Graeciae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Callicratis demus Graeciae (non est haec pagina)">Callicratis demus Graeciae</a>}} with {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_subdivisionis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata">Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata</a>}} instead? From <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallikratis_Plan#Local_administrative_reform" class="extiw" title="en:Kallikratis Plan">en:Kallikratis Plan#Local administrative reform</a>, I gather that the <i>Callicratis demoi</i> are comparable to municipalities in other countries, so I believe {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_urbis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa urbis Vicidata">Capsa urbis Vicidata</a>}} is appropriate, isn't it? Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 15 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z"></span>For the sake of completeness: {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Regio_Graeciae_hodiernae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Regio Graeciae hodiernae (non est haec pagina)">Regio Graeciae hodiernae</a>}} -> {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_subdivisionis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata">Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata</a>}} and {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Formula:Unitates_regionales_Graeciae&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Formula:Unitates regionales Graeciae (non est haec pagina)">Unitates regionales Graeciae</a>}} -> {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Capsa_subdivisionis_Vicidata" class="mw-redirect" title="Formula:Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata">Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata</a>}}. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 15 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z"></span>Sorry not to have replied. I fear Utilo, who worked on these pages, is too busy for Vicipaedia these days.</dd> <dd>I assumed that the article on the smallest administrative subdivision, in nearly every country, would in reality be an article on the main village or town, and therefore, to the extent that the two capsae differ, "... urbis ..." would be more suitable. For Greece, this smallest subdivision is the demos, so we should treat demoi as "... urbis ..." <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T22:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! I have now replaced the Greece-related templates accordingly. Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 25 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-31T10:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z"></span>Looking at how this works for the "vici Italiae", I noted belatedly that the heading "Gubernium" needed to be relabelled: it's not a classical Latin word. I relabelled it "Gestio", intending, in general terms, the administration or management of the place. I then saw the utility of adding the detail "Procuratio superior" (placing it under "Gestio"): this now tells us the next highest administrative level to which the place belongs (and sometimes, given the often misplaced enthusiasm of Wikidata editors, it tells us a whole spectrum of administrative levels).</dd> <dd>If anyone glances, as I did, at the Wikidata page for a chosen place, and sees another detail that we could consider including, it is necessary first to look hard at how this detail is used on a good sample of other Wikidata pages. If it seems generally useful, we could include it. These things are very easy to change in the "Capsa urbis Vicidata", although thinking of brief labels that will suit all instances is far from easy! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-31T10:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 31 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-31T10:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-31T10:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-25T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span>Task completed: I have now replaced all these municipality and territorial subdivision templates with the respective Vicidata templates. Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 21 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span>Magnum est labor, gratias maximas agimus, sed etiam <i>victos</i> melius est automatice corrigere, quos in hac disputatione iam memoravimus (et hic <a href="/wiki/Disputatio:Praeneste" title="Disputatio:Praeneste">in disputatione Praenestis</a>). Plus quam mille horum victorum... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 21 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-21T20:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-10-21T21:29:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z"></span>Done, thank you for reminding me! Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-10-21T21:29:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 21 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-10-21T21:29:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-10-21T21:29:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-21T20:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae" data-mw-thread-id="h-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z"></span>ZEIT de quaestione utilitatis linguae latinae<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alex1011-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae"></span>Diurnarium Germanicum ZEIT articulum habet quo de utilitate quaeritur nostra aetate linguam latinam discendi. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/schule/2019-11/latein-lateinunterricht-schulfach-fremdsprache-vorteile?utm_source=pocket-newtab">[1]</a> --<a href="/wiki/Usor:Alex1011" title="Usor:Alex1011">Alex1011</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Alex1011" title="Disputatio Usoris:Alex1011">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Alex1011-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 10 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alex1011-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alex1011-2020-01-10T20:01:00.000Z-ZEIT_de_quaestione_utilitatis_linguae_latinae"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stela_Rök" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stela_Rök-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z"><span id="Stela_R.C3.B6k"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stela_Rök-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Stela_R%C3%B6k" title="Stela Rök">Stela Rök</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stela_Rök-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z-Stela_Rök"></span>This is claimed as the oldest item of Swedish literature. Since the recent English translation by Holmberg et al. is more coherent than any previous one, it seemed reasonable to try to turn it into Latin. Whether it was coherent enough for translation, eventually I'm not sure. If anyone cares to look at the English (or indeed Old Norse) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1383036/FULLTEXT01.pdf">p. 20 with a lot of commentary in surrounding text</a> and correct me, or to have another attempt, feel free! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z-Stela_Rök" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 11 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z-Stela_Rök"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-11T19:19:00.000Z-Stela_Rök"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De_grapheocratis_iterum" data-mw-thread-id="h-De_grapheocratis_iterum-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De_grapheocratis_iterum-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z"></span>De grapheocratis iterum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De_grapheocratis_iterum-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Electiones_grapheocratarum" title="Vicipaedia:Electiones grapheocratarum"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z-De_grapheocratis_iterum"></span>Paginam electionum grapheocratarum</a> creavi, ut supra disputavimus. Facilius erit, si non solum grapheocratam Vicipaedia habebit. Non negligere electionem hortor! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z-De_grapheocratis_iterum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 12 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z-De_grapheocratis_iterum"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z-De_grapheocratis_iterum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z"></span>Octo</s> Novem <i>pro</i> nec aliquis <i>contra</i>; Andreae grapheocratae de electione et nobis de grapheocrata novo gratulamur.</dd> <dd>(Quid porro faciendum sit, nescio; magistratum aliquem scire spero) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 26 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-12T14:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z"></span>Please ask our current grapheocrates on his enwiki talk page (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adam_Bishop" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Adam Bishop">en:User talk:Adam Bishop</a>) to make Andrew his colleague ;-) --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 28 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-26T23:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Adam statim respondit. Grapheocratam secundum habetis! Gratias vobis ago. Semper pro bono publico, i.e. Vicipaedico, agam.</dd> <dd>Rarius his ultimis diebus edidi quia aegrotabam, sed gradatim salutem recipero. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 30 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-28T00:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-30T22:51:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z"></span>Ut mox revalescas! Gratias pro labore incessabili tua ad Vicipaediam admeliorandam! --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-30T22:51:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 30 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-30T22:51:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-30T22:51:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-30T15:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De_anonymo_Aragonensi" data-mw-thread-id="h-De_anonymo_Aragonensi-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De_anonymo_Aragonensi-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z"></span>De anonymo Aragonensi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De_anonymo_Aragonensi-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z-De_anonymo_Aragonensi"></span>I have a general question, and hope anyone can come out with a solution. There is an anonymous contributor who repeatedly adds information about places in <a href="/wiki/Aragonia" title="Aragonia">Aragonia</a>. They never log-in and change their ip every time they contribute (making the {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Invitatio" title="Formula:Invitatio">invitatio</a>}} useless), so there is no chance for us to communicate with him to make clarifications or to ask questions. Protecting the pages so that he has to create an account seems too harsh, and I doubt they will read this plea. Any thoughts?--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Xaverius" title="Usor:Xaverius"><span style="color:blue;">Xave</span><span style="color:green;">ri</span></a><a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Xaverius" title="Disputatio Usoris:Xaverius"><span style="color:red;">us</span></a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z-De_anonymo_Aragonensi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 15 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z-De_anonymo_Aragonensi"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z-De_anonymo_Aragonensi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Here is <a class="external text" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specialis:Contributions/139.47.0.0/17&start=2019-12-11&limit=500">a list of these contributions</a>. It would be possible to use <a href="/wiki/Specialis:AbuseFilter" title="Specialis:AbuseFilter">Special:AbuseFilter</a> to present this anonymous contributor with a warning message before each edit. (It would even – but this would, as you state, be a harsh measure – be possible to use <a href="/wiki/Specialis:AbuseFilter" title="Specialis:AbuseFilter">Special:AbuseFilter</a> to prevent these anonymous edits altogether, and to present this user with a warning message every time they attempt to edit). For the warning message, it would be a good idea to use a language (Aragonese? Other languages spoken in Spain?) that this contributor will probably understand. Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 15 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-15T14:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z"></span>It depends on whether the general effect of these edits is to make Vicipaedia better or worse. My impression is "better". I note the minor improvement to <a href="/wiki/Cadmium" title="Cadmium">Cadmium</a>, which appears in UV's list. If my impression is correct, we have no reason to discourage editing, just to write a message of advice. For example, the addition of a "Capsa urbis" (as recently to <a href="/wiki/Granienum" title="Granienum">Granienum</a>) will be a waste of time, because it will be soon be replaced.</dd> <dd>I wasn't aware of this function of <a href="/wiki/Specialis:AbuseFilter" title="Specialis:AbuseFilter">Special:AbuseFilter</a>. We could probably use it in a perfectly friendly way to advise one or two other long term anonymous editors. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 16 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z-UV-2020-01-15T21:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z"></span>The message could simply be "Hi there, and thanks for your edits. Please have a look at the talk pages of the articles you have worked on." Any further communication should then be on the talk pages. (A look of theirs into the <i>Granienum</i> talk page could already be fruitful.) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 16 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-16T09:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z"></span>I never got the impression that they would be reading the discussion pages, but I may give it a try. And how could we make the Abuse Filter seem like a friendly indicator of "please stop for a second, I just have a few questions"?--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Xaverius" title="Usor:Xaverius"><span style="color:blue;">Xave</span><span style="color:green;">ri</span></a><a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Xaverius" title="Disputatio Usoris:Xaverius"><span style="color:red;">us</span></a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 17 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-16T10:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-17T19:32:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z"></span>Well, I don't think that they read them, either. That's why I suggested to invite them to do so. Of couse we should write our comments or questions on those pages first, then. Maybe the warning can even have links to them? To make it friendly, I think it's enough to start out with "Bene advenisti in Vicipaediam! Gratias tibi agimus pro conlationibus tuis." <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-17T19:32:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 17 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-17T19:32:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-17T19:32:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-17T10:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mutationes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mutationes-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mutationes-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z"></span>Mutationes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mutationes-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z-Mutationes"></span>Mutatione in pagina aliqua facta, non iam video, quo modo legentibus significare possim, quae mutavi. Quid faciendum est?--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Bavarese" title="Usor:Bavarese">Bavarese</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Bavarese" title="Disputatio Usoris:Bavarese">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z-Mutationes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 19 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z-Mutationes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z-Mutationes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-19T23:05:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z"></span>Si quaestionem recte intellexi, in historia paginae omnes mutationes videri possunt (<i>HIstoriam inspicere</i>). Aut editor ipse in pagina disputationis vel alicubi scribere debet, si vult, ut ceteri animum advertant. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-19T23:05:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 19 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-19T23:05:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-01-19T23:05:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-01-19T18:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="German_administrative_units" data-mw-thread-id="h-German_administrative_units-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-German_administrative_units-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span>German administrative units<span data-mw-comment-end="h-German_administrative_units-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z-German_administrative_units"></span>There is some hesitation concerning the translation of some German administrative units, e.g. <i>circulus</i> and <i>pagus</i> for <i>Kreis</i>. I think they should be uniform. Below I list the different units, my suggested translation and any alternative translations I'm aware of. </p> <table border="border" class="wikitable sortable"> <tbody><tr> <th>German </th> <th>Suggested Latin </th> <th>Alternatives </th></tr> <tr> <td>Bundesland </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Terra_foederalis_(Germania)" title="Terra foederalis (Germania)">terra foederalis</a> </td> <td>respublica foederalis </td></tr> <tr> <td>Bezirk </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Circumdarium" title="Circumdarium">circumdarium</a> </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Regierungsbezirk </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Praefectura" title="Praefectura">praefectura</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Provincia_(Germania)" class="mw-redirect" title="Provincia (Germania)">provincia (administrativa)</a>, circumdarium exsecutivum </td></tr> <tr> <td>Landschaftsverband </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Confoederatio_regionalis" title="Confoederatio regionalis">confoederatio regionalis</a> </td> <td>consociatio regionalis </td></tr> <tr> <td>(hist.) Provinz </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Provincia" title="Provincia">provincia</a> </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Kreis </td> <td>circulus </td> <td>pagus </td></tr> <tr> <td>Landkreis </td> <td>circulus rusticus </td> <td>pagus rusticus, <a href="/wiki/Circulus_terrae" title="Circulus terrae">circulus terrae, circulus provincialis</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>(hist.) Stadtkreis </td> <td>circulus urbanus </td> <td>pagus urbanus </td></tr> <tr> <td>Stadt </td> <td>urbs </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>kreisfreie Stadt </td> <td>urbs nullius circuli </td> <td>urbs nullius pagi, circulus urbanus, urbs circulo carens </td></tr> <tr> <td>Amt </td> <td>ballia </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Gemeinde </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commune" title="Commune">commune</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Municipium" title="Municipium">municipium</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Verbandsgemeinde </td> <td>commune confoederale </td> <td>commune generale </td></tr> <tr> <td>Samtgemeinde </td> <td>commune confoederale </td> <td>commune generale </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>Some explanations: </p> <ul><li>"Bezirk" can be very different things, and in particular part of a city (as in Berlin) or on the other hand a large territory (as in the former GDR), but the "-zirk" in "Bezirk" is the same root as the "circ-" in "circumdarium" (+ the French or Belgian "arrondissements" are often translated as "Bezirke").</li> <li>Regierungsbezirk: Its head (the "Regierungspräsident") has the same function as a French "préfet". Additionally, I don't like the "provincia" we have, because it collides with the historical Prussian provinces (which were subdivided in Regierungsbezirke).</li> <li>"Amt" corresponds to French "baillage" which is said to be derived from Latin "ballia".</li></ul> <p>There is no hurry in this. It's not as if I'm going to streamline everything tomorrow, but whenever we work on pages concerned by this, we should be using translations consistently as will - hopefully - have been agreed here. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z-German_administrative_units" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 22 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z-German_administrative_units"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z-German_administrative_units"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span>How much of this is likely to appear in Habsburg Latin documents? Would that be helpful?--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Xaverius" title="Usor:Xaverius"><span style="color:blue;">Xave</span><span style="color:green;">ri</span></a><a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Xaverius" title="Disputatio Usoris:Xaverius"><span style="color:red;">us</span></a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z"></span>You mean from Austria-Hungary? Not so much, as Austrian administrative organisation is different (including terminology). That being said, there might of course be interesting Latin words nobody has thought of, yet, in this context. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T09:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z"></span>I meant more the earlier Burgundian/Spanish Habsburgs (15th/16th c), which would be more likely to have latin administrative texts. But would not know.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Xaverius" title="Usor:Xaverius"><span style="color:blue;">Xave</span><span style="color:green;">ri</span></a><a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Xaverius" title="Disputatio Usoris:Xaverius"><span style="color:red;">us</span></a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-23T11:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:08:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z"></span>But in fact Latin was still being used administratively in Hungary in the 18th and maybe even 19th century. Yes, the vocabulary could well be useful if we can trace the publications. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:08:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:08:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-01-23T14:08:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-01-23T11:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-01-23T20:57:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span>Is <i>commune generale</i> for <i>Samtgemeinde</i> attested somewhere? Cf. <a href="/wiki/Categoria:Communia_generalia_Saxoniae_Inferioris" title="Categoria:Communia generalia Saxoniae Inferioris">Categoria:Communia generalia Saxoniae Inferioris</a>. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-01-23T20:57:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-01-23T20:57:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-01-23T20:57:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-01-22T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z-German_administrative_units"></span>Verba <i>commune confoederalis</i> scribi debent <i>commune confoederale.</i> <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z-German_administrative_units" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z-German_administrative_units"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z-German_administrative_units"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-01-23T22:59:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z"></span>Enim. Correxi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-01-23T22:59:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 23 Ianuarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-01-23T22:59:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-01-23T22:59:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-01-23T21:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ratko_Janev" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ratko_Janev-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ratko_Janev-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z"></span>Ratko Janev<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ratko_Janev-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-178.222.6.107-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z-Ratko_Janev"></span>Dear respectful editors, May I kindly ask you to create a short article on academician Ratko Janev, famous member of Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts. Sincerely yours, <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/178.222.6.107" title="Specialis:Conlationes/178.222.6.107">178.222.6.107</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-178.222.6.107-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z-Ratko_Janev" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 10 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-178.222.6.107-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z-Ratko_Janev"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-178.222.6.107-2020-02-10T11:52:00.000Z-Ratko_Janev"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Non-Western_forenames" data-mw-thread-id="h-Non-Western_forenames-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Non-Western_forenames-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>Non-Western forenames<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Non-Western_forenames-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span>We recently had a <a href="/wiki/Disputatio:Husainus_filius_Alis" title="Disputatio:Husainus filius Alis">discussion</a> about the Latinisation of the name of <a href="/wiki/Husainus_filius_Alis" title="Husainus filius Alis">Husainus filius Alis</a>; in that case, there finally appeared to be an attested Latin form for that very person, and the issue was easily resolved. </p><p>However, in the discussion, the fact came up that our practice of Latinising forenames is not consistently applied when the names are not from what I will cautiously call a "Western" tradition. As I have pointed out there, it is clear that there will be more often attested Latin forms for "Western" names than for others. So be it. But there are others that are perfectly attested in Latin. At the mentioned occasion, I stumbled over several people called "Husainus". "Mahometus" is an obvious example. For "<a href="/wiki/Mahmudus" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Mahmudus">Mahmudus</a>" and "<a href="/wiki/Suleimanus" title="Suleimanus">Suleimanus</a>" we even already have pages. </p><p>Whenever there is an attested Latin form, I don't see a reason not to use it, because we do it for other forenames as well. But in fact, it's not always done. For "Husainus" see e.g. the pages <a href="/wiki/Hossein_Rajabian" class="mw-redirect" title="Hossein Rajabian">Hossein Rajabian</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hussein_Kamil" class="mw-redirect" title="Hussein Kamil">Hussein Kamil</a> and <a href="/wiki/Hossein_Shahabi" class="mw-redirect" title="Hossein Shahabi">Hossein Shahabi</a>. I think we should be consistent and translate these names. In particular, in my opinion there is no objective definition of a "Western" or - worse - "Judeo-Christian" name; we would very quickly get into POV waters with that. What we can objectively determine is whether we have a source for a Latin form of a name or not. I consider that that should be our only criterion. </p><p>Any other points of view? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 14 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>In discussing this elsewhere it was I who observed that we have been most consistent in our transferring of Judaeo-Christian forenames to their Latin forms because they nearly always have one; also, I might have added, because these forms have until now been much easier to verify. Why the term I used is "worse" than "Western", I don't know, but, anyway, "Western" was not what I meant :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z"></span>I was thinking of the reactions one might get when trying to categorise names as either "Western" or "Judeo-Christian". My assumption is that one might be "worse" than the other. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T14:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span>I can't understand that at all. The origin of names, and whether they have or don't have equivalents in Latin, are linguistic and historical questions. How does a value judgement like "worse" come into it? But never mind, it really doesn't matter!</small></dd> <dd><small>Ah, hold on, by "worse" maybe you meant "more difficult"? If so, I can see what you're saying.</small></dd> <dd><small>... or maybe that the reactions to one term would be worse than the reactions to the other term? I guess we have certainly shown that to be true! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z"></span>The latter. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-02-14T20:53:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>Omnino assentio. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-02-14T20:53:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 14 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-02-14T20:53:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-02-14T20:53:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>Categoriam praenominum Arabicorum creavi. Praeter <i>Husainum</i> <a href="/wiki/Saddamus_Husseinus" title="Saddamus Husseinus">Saddamum Husseinum</a> ex <i>Ephemeride</i> habemus. Nescio, an <i>Saddamus Husaini filius</i> sine fonte renominandus est (<i>Husseinus</i> eius patronymum est). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:26:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z"></span>Certe e categoria a te creata versiones Latinas bonas praenominorum Arabicorum, quae usque adhuc difficiles repertu erant, sine mora verificare possumus! Macte! Quo facto, possumus etiam exempla non iam verta Latine statim vertere paginasque movere.</dd> <dd>De patronymis autem necesse erit statuere. Certe possumus, sicut de Russis eorumque vicinis iam facere solemus, "ibn Muhammad" in "Mahometi filius" convertere. Sed Arabophoni sunt in variis civitatibus qui "ibn" omittere his diebus solent. (De casu Saddami nescivi ego, sed alii tales iam vidi.) Bulgari hodierni, si recte intellegi, talem rem faciunt: apud eos praenomen alterum, etiam sine coniunctione grammatica, est patris praenomen. Mea mente, si fontem habemus aut de nomine ipsius hominis pleno vel rituali, aut de praenomine patris, possumus eodem modo tale nomen interpretare: "Saddamus Husaini filius". Sine fonte, necesse erit "Saddamus Husainus" scribere. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:26:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:26:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:26:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z"></span>N.B. <i>ibn</i>/<i>bin</i> = "filius": hoc fere ubique videmus. <i>Āl</i> verbum separatum vocali longo = "gentis": hoc in nominibus principum interdum videmus. Ergo <a href="/wiki/%E1%B8%AAal%C4%ABfa_ibn_Salm%C4%81n_%C4%80l_%E1%B8%AAal%C4%ABfa" class="mw-redirect" title="Ḫalīfa ibn Salmān Āl Ḫalīfa">Ḫalīfa ibn Salmān Āl Ḫalīfa</a> apud nos erit fortasse "Chalifa Salmani filius gentis Chalifae" (id enim est praenomen conditoris dynastiae) aut "Chalifa Salmani filius Āl Ḫalīfa". <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-15T11:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z"></span>When we know that some Mahmood bin Mohammad is effectively called that way because his father's name was Mohammad, he should in my opinion indeed be "Mahmudus Mahometi filius", again simply as a matter of coherence, because we do that with Icelandic "surnames". But I suspect that some of these "ibn Salman" or "bin Ali" might have become fixed surnames handed down through the generations. And in that case, well we don't turn a German "Peter Hansen" into a "Petrus Ioannis filius" either, do we? Even less "Greta Hansen" into "Margarita Ioannis filius"; that would be outright silly, of course. So, to sum it up, I would say, as long as we don't know for sure what a given Arabic "surname" exactly is, we keep it simply transliterated; if we know it's a real patronym, we can translate it. As to "Āl Ḫalīfa" or "gentis Chalifae", I don't have a strong preference. I guess while we're at it, we can also translate it. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T13:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T20:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span>I believe your suspicion is unjustified. I've written quite a lot of biographies of writers and politicians with Arabic names, and looked at the names of quite a lot of their relatives and friends too, and I haven't come across one yet in which the "ibn/bin ..." is a fixed surname handed down through the generations. If there's evidence for that, please say. In my experience so far they are always real patronyms, just like those of Iceland, just like those of Greece and Russia and neighbouring countries. And we do correctly treat all those as patronyms. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T20:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T20:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T20:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span>You might like to glance at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_name" class="extiw" title="en:Arabic name">en:Arabic name</a>. I hadn't ever looked at it till now, but it seems to support what I've said. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z"></span>The Arab world is vast. I'm sure what you say applies in a lot (if not most) Arab countries. But I've just checked out Morocco (because I had a very <i>specific</i> suspicion): Morocco has fixed surnames, as said in Article 20 of their <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.alhalalmadania.ma/Fr/Edition/Loin37_99relativeletatcivil.pdf">law on civil registration</a>; it is chosen at the occasion of the first entry in the civil registration system and then "Le nom de famille choisi, une fois devenu définitif dans les conditions fixées par voie réglementaire, reste attaché à la personne qui le porte ainsi qu'à sa descendance..." No more patronyms. However, amongst <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Patronyme_marocain" class="extiw" title="fr:Catégorie:Patronyme marocain">Moroccan family names</a> <small>(the French "patronyme" means "surname", as you certainly know)</small> you can find e.g. <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benkhadra" class="extiw" title="fr:Benkhadra">Benkhadra/بن خضراء</a>, <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benhenia" class="extiw" title="fr:Benhenia">Benhenia/بن هَنية</a> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_M%E2%80%99Barek" class="extiw" title="fr:Ben M’Barek">Ben M’Barek/بن مبارك</a>, <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bensa%C3%AFd" class="extiw" title="fr:Bensaïd">Bensaïd/بن سعيد</a> and <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjelloun" class="extiw" title="fr:Benjelloun">Benjelloun/بن جلون</a>. Concerning the latter, we have a page on <a href="/wiki/Tahar_Ben_Jelloun" class="mw-redirect" title="Tahar Ben Jelloun">Tahar Ben Jelloun</a> who is Moroccan. I don't know whether he has kids, but if he has, then Article 20 of the civil registration law tells us that they will also have the surname "Ben Jelloun" (not bin/bint Tahar). I've found "Taherus" attested, and we can thus move to <a href="/wiki/Taherus_Ben_Jelloun" title="Taherus Ben Jelloun">Taherus Ben Jelloun</a>, but "Ben Jelloun" is not a patronymic (anymore) in this case (and even worn by women, by the way; see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.academie-francaise.fr/nadia-benjelloun">Nadia Benjelloun</a>). We thus should not treat it differently than other surnames (which we don't translate). I rest my case ☺. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T22:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z"></span>P.S.: I have another suspicion, that with some more research, we can probably establish some very solid presumptions as to where (Maghreb?) and when (probably not earlier than the 20th century) such surnames may occur. And I'm not saying that we need watertight certainty in every case. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 15 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-15T21:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z"></span>Interesting, thanks. I strongly agree with your second suspicion! It will be really useful if we manage to get it clearer. I have done few Moroccan biographies except royal ones and I didn't know of that particular exception. There are of course some cases elsewhere where the patronymic is part of the full name, but various kinds of cognomen, following the patronymic, are more commonly used in the short everyday form of the name. Surnames, as you say, are surnames, and in those cases the status of the patronym becomes irrelevant to us. How it all works further south from Morocco I'm still not sure: in that region <i>ould</i>/<i>wuld</i> (still an Arabic word) seems to take the place of <i>ibn</i>/<i>bin</i>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 16 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T11:07:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-15T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span>Etiam praenomina Arabica e Vetere Testamento orta Latine redigenda sunt: Yusuf => Iosephus, Iakub => Iacobus, Ibrahim => Abraham etc. Bibliander in Alcorano Latino eos omnes latinizavit (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mlat.uzh.ch/MLS/xanfang.php?tabelle=Theodor_Bibliander_cps0&corpus=0&allow_download=0&lang=0">exempli gratia</a>) et Vicipaedia paginas <a href="/wiki/Abraham_(Islam)" class="mw-redirect" title="Abraham (Islam)">Abraham (Islam)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Isaacus_(Islam)" class="mw-redirect" title="Isaacus (Islam)">Isaacus (Islam)</a> (nec <i>Ibrahim</i> nec <i>Isḥāq</i>) habet. Et haec quaestio erit. Habemus et <a href="/wiki/Ibraimus_(sultanus_Ottomanicus)" title="Ibraimus (sultanus Ottomanicus)">Ibraimum</a> nec Abraham sultanum cum fonte. Invenientur casus, ubi regula nominum latinizandorum exigat unum, fontes alterum. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 16 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z"></span>Etiam de Suleimano et Salomone dubito. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 17 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-16T22:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-17T10:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z"></span>Mutationes iam a vobis factas laudo!</dd> <dd>De praenominibus e.g. Germanicis, si de hominibus iam a se coaevisque Latine descriptis agit, formam a coaevis adhibitam accipere solemus, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Willelmus_Tyrensis" title="Willelmus Tyrensis">Willelmus Tyrensis</a> (vide disputationem), redirectionibus saepe additis. Ergo, cum de praenominibus Arabicis et Hebraicis statuimus, (vide e.g. nomina et fontes iam sub "<a href="/wiki/Suleimanus_I_(sultanus_Ottomanicus)" title="Suleimanus I (sultanus Ottomanicus)">Suleimanus I (sultanus Ottomanicus)</a>" citatos) certe non in Solomonem sine fontibus Latinis optimis mutare licet. (Certe iam bene scitis, o amici: ubique, si fons nominis Latini e.g. mediaevalis aut recentioris in pagina nostra iam citatur, molestum erit, nota servata, lemma incaute mutare.)</dd> <dd>E primis quaesitionibus "Suleiman" mihi non e "Solomon" derivatum, sed e ra dicibus Arabicis productum esse videtur ... sed incertus sum! Licet distinctionem, iam multis fontibus Latinis confirmatam, retinere. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-17T10:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 17 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-17T10:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-17T10:23:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-17T08:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span>On a side note, I've seen <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius</a> move <a href="/wiki/Daniel_Eliae_filius" class="mw-redirect" title="Daniel Eliae filius">Daniel Eliae filius</a> and <a href="/wiki/Dominicus_Cabrini_filius" class="mw-redirect" title="Dominicus Cabrini filius">Dominicus Cabrini filius‎</a>. I had some serious doubts about those pages as well, but no knowledge of Balkanic naming conventions. If anybody knows when these former patronyms have become fixed, it would be good to post that here. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 22 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z-Non-Western_forenames"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z"></span>I don’t know when, but in Austria-Hungary on the eve of the First World War it’s for sure the last name. - There are other ambiguities, Cvjetko = Flos? ("cvjet" is Serbian "flos", <i>Cvjetko</i> is more like <i>Florianus</i>, but I’m not sure, that it’s the same name, the same saint.<a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 22 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-02-22T20:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z"></span>We don't attempt to translate forenames. So far as I know there's no precedent for doing that, and it isn't in our policies. So without a convincing relevant source we don't say "Flos" for "Cvjetko": that would be original research. We transfer them to Latin if there are reliable sources for a Latin name of that person, or reliable precedents for the general practice. The usual precedents for our general practice on European names are publications with Latin title pages, university diplomas and public addresses in Latin, and Vatican documents; also scholarly works in Latin; also many tombstones. All of these adopt that practice. As Demetrius suggests, saints' names, easily verified, are good sources for a correct Latin form to choose. For Arabic names it has very recently become much easier than it used to be to find scholarly works on Oriental subjects in Latin on line, and surely these are among the precedents for the new practice with Arabic names. That's great.</dd> <dd>Personal footnote: there was a move in 2007 or so to call the once famous Britney Spears "Britannia Spears" (a translation based on unreliable sources and a bit of guesswork). Had that move succeeded, I would have left Vicipaedia on the spot: I just wouldn't have thought it a serious undertaking any more. There's a fine line, I thought, between making a real modern Latin encyclopaedia and being a laughing stock. And I still think that, though I also think that we are not getting laughed at as much as we once were! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 25 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-22T21:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z"></span>Florem</i> removi, ne <i>Britannia Spears</i> fieret. — Serbi re vera <i>Cvjetko</i> et <i>Florianum</i> adaequabant, ut <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.persee.fr/doc/slave_0080-2557_1932_num_12_1_7505">hic</a> dicitur (necnon <i>Srećko</i> et <i>Felicem</i> etc.), sed dubium mihi est... Exempli gratia, <i>Svetlanam</i>, nomen Slavicae originis (de <i>svet, lux</i>), Ecclesia diu non agnoscebat et Svetlanas puellas ut Photinas baptizabat (Фотинья, Φωτεινή, de Graeco φῶς, <i>lux</i>); sed <a href="/wiki/Svetlana_Alexievich" title="Svetlana Alexievich">Svetlanam Alexievich</a> aliasque multas in Photinam adhuc non movi, quamvis cogitabam (et quamvis movendas esse possunt). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 25 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T09:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VABritto-2020-05-08T00:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Hey <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a>, I agree with you entirely. I am new in Wiki editing and am for now just limiting myself to editing the English Wiktionary with Latin entries (I added sessorium, grundio and updated autocinetum). One thing that frustates me a lot when looking up for Latin things online is how people seem to focus entirely on it being "understandable by someone in the Classical period". That always bothered me because a person in Shakespeare's time would not understand half of the things we say nowadays in English. I very much more prefer a living language that adapts to its time. What I am loving so far in Wiktionary is that it gives a lot of space for New Latin entries, but is very respectable and strict. It seems that is also true here in Vicipaedia. I want to learn a living useful language, but it has to be done with care and thoughtfulness. Conservative in one's innovation and doing everything possible to grow from firm precedence. I think that's the proper balance and from what I've seen in Vicipaedia, you guys have achieved that here! I am not good enough in Latin yet to contribute to Vicipaedia, but one day I hope to be. Till then, thank you for keeping this wonderful site running! <a href="/w/index.php?title=Usor:VABritto&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usor:VABritto (non est haec pagina)">VABritto</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:VABritto" title="Disputatio Usoris:VABritto">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-VABritto-2020-05-08T00:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 8 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VABritto-2020-05-08T00:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VABritto-2020-05-08T00:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-02-25T13:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Added_reflection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Added_reflection-Non-Western_forenames-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Added_reflection-Non-Western_forenames-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span>Added reflection<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Added_reflection-Non-Western_forenames-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z-Added_reflection"></span>They are keeping me a bit hungry here, but reflecting after lunch, I think the above conclusion of mine was not sufficiently positive. Vicipaedia is getting far more valuable, informative articles added to it, day by day, than at any time in the past that I remember, and a lot of improvement of existing articles is quietly happening as well. When do we actually become the biggest ever Latin encyclopaedia? Or have we passed that milestone already? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z-Added_reflection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 25 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z-Added_reflection"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z-Added_reflection"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span>We'll certainly be the most up-to-date, but it depends against which ones we are contesting for the title...--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Xaverius" title="Usor:Xaverius"><span style="color:blue;">Xave</span><span style="color:green;">ri</span></a><a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Xaverius" title="Disputatio Usoris:Xaverius"><span style="color:red;">us</span></a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 25 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-25T12:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z"></span>I think it's likely that we're the largest. Our <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Census" title="Specialis:Census">census</a> tells us that Vicipaedia has 17,668,653 words. Comparing that with , I estimate that our articles would fill out more than thirteen Britannica-size volumes. Some contenders could be Pliny's <i>Natural History</i>, Hofmann's <i>Lexicon Universale</i>, and Forcellini's <i>Onomasticon</i>, so we should try to find out their word counts. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 25 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z-Xaverius-2020-02-25T12:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z"></span>To conclude the personal anecdote, lunch on that day was <i>bouillon</i>. Dinner was <i>bouillon</i> too. Breakfast was a cup of black coffee, so called. Luckily that episode in my adventures is over and I am at home, eating normally, editing normally, and as happy as a sandboy.</dd> <dd>I think of Forcellini as a dictionary rather than an encyclopedia. My estimate, based on rough sampling, is that Pliny's <i>Naturalis Historia</i> is about 750,000 words; the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mateo.uni-mannheim.de/camenaref/hofmann.html">online copy</a> of Hofmann is close to 8,000,000 words, a great achievement for a single author. We have doubled that already, although, to adopt Jimmy Wales's expression, Vicipaedia is a work in progress, and we still have lots to do! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 7 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-02-25T14:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z"></span>True about Forcellini, though the <i>Onomasticon</i> part sometimes goes into detail, about mythological figures and the like. Glad to hear you've recovered! I note that we're still missing an article about <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouillon_(cuisine)" class="extiw" title="fr:Bouillon (cuisine)"><i>bouillon</i></a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://neolatinlexicon.org/search/latin?search=broth">ius carnium? bulligo?</a>). :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 7 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-07T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-07T20:17:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z"></span>"Nempe inter vernas ollae vicinus obunctae, crustula spumantis patinae <b>bulligine</b> tingis, crassi adipis macrum perfundens unguine panem", iam <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=b6dlAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA432&dq=bulligo">scripsit</a> Saxo Grammaticus. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-07T20:17:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 7 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-07T20:17:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-07T20:17:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-07T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="عيسى/ʿIsa" data-mw-thread-id="h-عيسى/ʿIsa-Non-Western_forenames-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z"><span id=".D8.B9.D9.8A.D8.B3.D9.89.2F.CA.BFIsa"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-عيسى/ʿIsa-Non-Western_forenames-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z"></span>عيسى/ʿIsa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-عيسى/ʿIsa-Non-Western_forenames-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z-عيسى/ʿIsa"></span>Quod censetis? Melius "Isa, -ae" quam "Iesus" scribere pro "عيسى/ʿIsa" (vide <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=UkxAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA11&dq=Isam+Isae">hic</a>)? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z-عيسى/ʿIsa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 10 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z-عيسى/ʿIsa"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z-عيسى/ʿIsa"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z"></span>Etiam si de nomine unoquoque paginas componere difficile et inutile est, index formarum Latinarum nominum Arabicorum componendus est, qui hunc <i>morem Vicipaediae</i>, quod in descriptionibus mutationum memoras, describat; editori alio hunc cognoscere facilius erit. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 11 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-10T23:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Hmm. "<a href="/wiki/Index_formarum_Latinarum_nominum_Arabicorum_Persicorumque" title="Index formarum Latinarum nominum Arabicorum Persicorumque">Index formarum Latinarum nominum Arabicorum Persicorumque</a>"? Et ibi indicem simplicem cum nexibus internis si paginam hominis praeclari cum fontibus habemus, et alio casu cum nexibus simplicibus externis? Ita: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Mahometus" title="Mahometus">Mahometus</a></li> <li>Kasimus (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=t4ZSvha8NTYC">gen. "Kasimi" pag. 27</a>)</li> <li>Isa (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=UkxAAAAAYAAJ">pag. 11</a>) (vide etiam <a href="/wiki/Iesus_(Islamus)" class="mw-redirect" title="Iesus (Islamus)">Iesus (Islamus)</a>)</li> <li>...</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 11 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T14:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z"></span>Et talis utilis erit, et cum translitterationibus — Abdalla (<i>ʿAbdallāh</i>, fontes) — utilior. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 11 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T17:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z"></span>Index horum nominum certe utilis erit (cf. <a href="/wiki/Index_praenominum" title="Index praenominum">Index praenominum</a>); etiam paginas de singulis nominibus creare possumus. Quod ad nomen <i>Isa</i> attinet, puto hanc formam idoneam esse ad varios Isas (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_bin_Salman_Al_Khalifa" class="extiw" title="en:Isa bin Salman Al Khalifa">en:Isa bin Salman Al Khalifa</a> etc.) nominandos, sed cum de Iesu Nazareno in contextis Islamicis loquamur, fortasse melius sit formam usitatam servare (cf. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam" class="extiw" title="en:Jesus in Islam">en:Jesus in Islam</a>). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 11 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T16:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z"></span>Quod censetis de <a href="/wiki/Index_formarum_Latinarum_nominum_Arabicorum_Persicorumque" title="Index formarum Latinarum nominum Arabicorum Persicorumque">ista tabula</a>? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 11 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-03-11T17:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T20:22:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z"></span>Bene, magnum erit auxilium. Ad Vicidatum <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2393248" class="extiw" title="d:Q2393248">d:Q2393248</a> adiungi potest, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arabic_given_names" class="extiw" title="en:List of Arabic given names">en:List of Arabic given names</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T20:22:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 11 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T20:22:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-11T20:22:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z"></span>Litteras Arabicas nescio; si non recte Abdelazizum inserui, corrigendum est. Timui, ne in oblivione maneret. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-11T19:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T07:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z"></span>Optime fecisti. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-14T07:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T07:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T07:39:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-13T23:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Malaysian_and_Greek_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Malaysian_and_Greek_names-Non-Western_forenames-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Malaysian_and_Greek_names-Non-Western_forenames-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z"></span>Malaysian and Greek names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Malaysian_and_Greek_names-Non-Western_forenames-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names"></span>In modern Malaysian names the second element is (nearly always, I think) a patronymic. The word "bin" may officially appear, indicating this, but it seems fashionable to omit it. Therefore it will be misleading to put the second element into a Latin nominative form; logically it should be in the genitive, followed (or not) by "filius". If there is a third element, it will often end in -i and can be treated as a surname. See for example <a href="/wiki/Abdullah_Badawi" title="Abdullah Badawi">Abdullah Ahmad Badawi</a>: it all becomes clear from his full name as given in the English article, confirmed by the family history: his father, Ahmad Badawi, was a religious figure who had duly performed the pilgrimage, hence the son is "Abdullah bin Haji Ahmad Badawi". "Abdullah Ahmedus Badawi" was therefore surely wrong. I moved him to the simpler "Abdullah Badawi": the alternative would be "Abdullah Ahmedi filius Badawi" ... awaiting a Latin form of the "Haji"! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z"></span>I remember seeing a Malaysian passport with a name of the format "Givenname s/o Fathersgivenname", where "s/o" meant "son of". The person's ID card had the same, only with the corresponding Malay abbreviation instead of the English "s/o". Now that was some time ago, another millenium, actually. But he already told me about feminist activists using their patronymic as a Western-style surname (like "Ms Ahmad"). And some Malaysians do have real surnames, pretty certainly ethnic Chinese. So, with this inconsistent practice, it probably will be a case-by-case assessment, but when we are sure about the patronymic, yes, let's go for the structure <i>Abdulla Ahmedi filius Badawi</i> (BTW, I've seen tons of first declension occurences of "Abdulla" (and "Abdalla"), so let's not spoil our pleasure and drop the h). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names"></span>I have never been sure how to deal with Greek women's names. A woman's surname (a form of either her father's or her husband's surname) is always in the genitive. So, for example, should the new Greek president be <a href="/wiki/Catharina_Sacellaropulu" class="mw-redirect" title="Catharina Sacellaropulu">Catharina Sacellaropulu</a> (literal Latinization of the Greek surname) as we have so far done it, or should it be "Sacellaropuli" (normal Latin genitive of a Greek 2nd declension word)? Let's decide today, and I'll write it tomorrow! (This isn't relevant to my question, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sansimera.gr/biographies/2212">this off-Wikipedia biography</a> shows that she has retained her father's surname in the genitive, not adopted her husband's: her father is or was Νικόλαος Σακελλαρόπουλος and is notable enough to be named in our article.) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z-Malaysian_and_Greek_names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span>As these are surnames in the first place, I'm tempted to say not to touch them. But how do we treat Greek names? Would we inflect the surname when talking about the father in the genitive? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T15:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Well, yes, we would. And likewise the accusative etc. It's an aspect of the special relationship (to borrow a political term) between Greek and Latin: all declinable nouns and proper names in either language are declinable in the other. But the reason we didn't do it with women's surnames till now is the reason you give. Which rule takes precedence? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z"></span>But then, hasn't the decision already been taken? We are talking about how we treat names, not people. We write Σακελλαρόπουλος Sacellaropulos in the nominative, and if it's genitive, we write Sacellaropuli. That's what you are saying? And I suppose it's not just etymological (like the German surname "Heinrichs" is the genitive of "Heinrich", but nobody remembers that); both the knowledgeable Latin reader and a modern Greek person perceive it as a genitive? Then let's stick to the genitive we use for the father. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for that opinion. I will give the article that title, wait for anyone else's reactions, and then change some others to match. There aren't very many as yet. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-1"></span>On top, if it's the "special relationship", so be it. I was a bit worried about a slippery slope, e.g. any female Czech surname is an adjective, thus what Czechs say for "Ms Daisy Carpenter" is in fact "Ms Daisy, the Carpenterian one". You could argue that, given the Greek precedent, we should emulate that in Latin instead of using the Czech suffix and so forth. But I'm sure nothing can be equivalent to the special relationship between Rome and Greece. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-13T17:08:00.000Z-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z"></span>It wasn't evident, but my political allusion was to the long-lasting special relationship between the US and the UK, which means in practice "Do what you want, O great former colony, then tell us, and we'll hastily find a reason to approve". But the one between Greek and Latin languages does contain some real reciprocity, I would say.</dd> <dd>I had forgotten about Czech names. In that case, though, the (masculine) surname as we normally employ it is undeclinable in Latin, so I feel it would be obtrusive to try to reflect this grammatical detail in a Latin pagename. Unless we can find a good precedent: are there recent Latin gravestones/monuments? How did the name appear on those? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T18:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z"></span>I had identified the two countries you were referring to, although I didn't push reflection on the nature of that relationship any further. As to Czech names, I don't know about any precedents, and as you might have read between the lines, I'm not really motivated to find them... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-14T09:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z"></span>Isn't the Czech case just a special instance of general Slavic tradition? One sees <i>-ova</i> as a surname of Russian women whose husband or father is <i>-ov,</i> and in Polish I think I've seen that Mr. Nadoly's wife is Mrs. Nadolna. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-14T10:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T16:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z"></span>I don't know about Polish, but in Russian, you would simply create a feminine form, just as if you would replace 2nd declension by 1st in Latin. In Czech, the daughter of Mr Dienstbier will be Ms Dienstbierová (not simply Dienstbiera, as she would be in Russian). It's only if the surname already is an adjective that it won't get the suffix -ová; Daisy Black stays "Black", you would simply inflect the adjective as feminine. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-14T16:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T16:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-14T16:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Iterum_de_capsis_urbium" data-mw-thread-id="h-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z"></span>Iterum de capsis urbium<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium"></span>Ecce <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Automata/Formulae_capsarum_urbium" title="Vicipaedia:Automata/Formulae capsarum urbium">indicem paginarum</a> ubi UVbot capsas varias removet capsamque simplicem inserit. Bene erit, si tempus habemus, has paginas inspicere resque utiles restituere, atque praesertim imaginem urbis, si nullam habemus, praebere. Paginis aliquibus iam editis, ritum cui obsequor subter exscribo ... sed Vicipaediani liberi sumus, aliique sine dubio alio modo laborabunt! </p> <ol><li>Nisi pagina imagines iam habeat, categoriam apud Communia quaero et in fenestram novam aperio. Imaginem unam (ad minimum) seligo.</li> <li>Imagines per paginam distribuo: necesse est enim usoribus "mobilibus" textum + imagines monstrare, non murum imaginum. Nisi textum valde longum iam habeamus, imagines ad dextram partem cogo.</li> <li>Formulas {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:CommuniaCat" title="Formula:CommuniaCat">CommuniaCat</a>}} et {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Fontes_geographici" title="Formula:Fontes geographici">Fontes geographici</a>}}, nisi iam sint, semper addo: quo facto, pagina fontibus carentibus iam fontes habebit; in paginam peioribus imaginibus munitam editor ulterior imagines meliores faciliter addere poterit.</li> <li>Ordinem rerum, consensu iam diu decretum, restituo: <b>Notae</b>, <b>Bibliographia</b>, {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:NexInt" title="Formula:NexInt">NexInt</a>}}, <b>Nexus externi</b>.</li> <li>Titulos exclusivos <b>Viri praeclari</b>, <b>Filii urbis</b>, <b>Cives praeclari</b> etc. in <b>Incolae notabiles</b> muto.</li> <li>Rubricam <b>Urbes coniunctae</b> vel sim., si eadem enumeratio in capsa iam reperitur, deleo; si autem textu Latino exprimitur, annosque coniunctionis, notas fontium, etc., praebet, retineo.</li> <li>Sub {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:NexInt" title="Formula:NexInt">NexInt</a>}} nomina paginarum, si casu accusativo exprimuntur, in nominativum reddo; nomina sive inutilia, sive in textu duplicata, sive rubra, deleo.</li></ol> <p>Rarius eodem tempore textum corrigo, rarius augeo ... sed si alii hanc rem eodem tempore facere possint, assiduitatem laudo! Certe necesse est. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 16 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-02-16T14:18:00.000Z-Iterum_de_capsis_urbium"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Editathon_Barii" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editathon_Barii-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Editathon_Barii-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z"></span>Editathon Barii<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Editathon_Barii-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ferdi2005-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z-Editathon_Barii"></span>Ave fratres! Barii copiosa scripto (anglice “editathon”) de Vicipedia Vicifonteque apud Lyceum scientiae facenda est. Alumnii scholae, cum magistri auxilio, paginam/librum recensebunt Vestrum auxilium et vestram inspectionem peto.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Ferdi2005" title="Usor:Ferdi2005"><span style="font-weight: 700;font-family: American Typewriter, Courier New; color:#8f0000">Ferdi<span style="color: #cdcdcd;font-family: American Typewriter, Courier New;">MMV</span></span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Ferdi2005&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Ferdi2005 (non est haec pagina)"><span style="font-family: American Typewriter, Courier New; color:#8f0000;"><sub><b>[Epistulae]</b></sub></span></a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Ferdi2005-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z-Editathon_Barii" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 17 Februarii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ferdi2005-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z-Editathon_Barii"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ferdi2005-2020-02-17T20:32:00.000Z-Editathon_Barii"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De_pagina_nova_creanda" data-mw-thread-id="h-De_pagina_nova_creanda-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De_pagina_nova_creanda-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z"></span>De pagina nova creanda<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De_pagina_nova_creanda-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z-De_pagina_nova_creanda"></span>Salvete, </p><p>Nuper nomen meum imposui in Vicipaedia et tironissimus sum. </p><p>Possumne creare novam paginam de hodierno Francogallico scriptore Francisco Gilbert (François Gilbert), qui operam dat historiae romanae ? </p><p>Hic infra est contributio, quae addere velim : </p><p>Franciscus Gilbert est francogallicus historicus, consors investigator in Instituto Generali de Scientificis Investigationibus (francogallice CNRS, Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique). Multos libros edidit, pertinentes ad historiam romanam, de militaribus et gladiatoriis rebus. Creavit Lugdunensem consocationem Pax Augusta, quae se dedit restitutioni historiae romanae. </p><p>Nexus externi : <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://paxaugusta.fr/">http://paxaugusta.fr/</a>, situs consocationis <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://criminocorpus.hypotheses.org/57379">https://criminocorpus.hypotheses.org/57379</a>, brevis effictio scriptoris in Interrete <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.actes-sud.fr/recherche/catalogue/collection/1304/contributeur_paragraph_contributeur/35635?keys=">https://www.actes-sud.fr/recherche/catalogue/collection/1304/contributeur_paragraph_contributeur/35635?keys=</a> , libri, in quibus Franciscus Gilbert partem cepit (sive contributor, sive scriptor) </p><p>Gratias multas omnibus ago. </p> <dl><dd>Bene advenisti! Non video cur paginam creare tu ipse non potes. Et si menda sunt emendabimus. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z-De_pagina_nova_creanda" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 4 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z-De_pagina_nova_creanda"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z-De_pagina_nova_creanda"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-03-04T19:14:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z"></span>Gratiosus apud nos Vicipaediam augere poteris. Quamquam te "tironissimum" esse dicis, tamen adeo bona Latinitate uti videris, ut ex emendationibus (si quae erunt) utilitatem capere possis. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-03-04T19:14:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 4 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-03-04T19:14:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-03-04T19:14:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-04T17:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z"><span id="User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z"></span>User with IP adresses can change Userpages ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?"></span>Hello, My question refers to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usor:Jackstu&action=history">[2]</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Otourly" title="Usor:Otourly">Otourly</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Otourly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Otourly (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z-User_with_IP_adresses_can_change_Userpages_?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z"></span>Actually, this kind of abuse begs another question: Shouldn't we adopt the policy to simply delete such pages/changes? It's apparently being used as a template to ask other users to copy text from there. If it's that, we should make sure nobody actually can copy from the history. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z-Otourly-2020-03-13T19:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-03-13T22:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for pointing this out. This page was created by a long-term vandal, see e. g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/ConsumersDistributingonline/Archive" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ConsumersDistributingonline/Archive">en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ConsumersDistributingonline/Archive</a>. I have now deleted this page. Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-03-13T22:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 13 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-03-13T22:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-03-13T22:41:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-13T19:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Somnolentia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Somnolentia?-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z"><span id="Somnolentia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Somnolentia?-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Somnolentia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Somnolentia?-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z-Somnolentia?"></span>O magistratus! Dormitis? Videte <a class="external text" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%A8PAGE_VIDE%22">hic</a>. Res diu delenda est. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z-Somnolentia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z-Somnolentia?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-14T13:21:00.000Z-Somnolentia?"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-03-14T17:44:00.000Z-Somnolentia?"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/Fasciculus:Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg/220px-Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="124" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg/330px-Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg/440px-Cat_yawning_in_park.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5000" data-file-height="2813" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <dl><dd>Gratias, Iacobe (velut Sigure), ago.<br />Quam maxime ad veritatem scripsisti!<br /><a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andreas_Raether" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andreas Raether">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andreas_Raether-2020-03-14T17:44:00.000Z-Somnolentia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 14 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-03-14T17:44:00.000Z-Somnolentia?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-03-14T17:44:00.000Z-Somnolentia?"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z"><span id="Caretaker_government_.2Fgouvernement_en_affaires_courantes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z"></span>Caretaker government /gouvernement en affaires courantes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes"></span>Anyone an idea how to translate this (an executive in a parliamentary democracy who has limited powers due to not having the confidence of parliament (anymore))? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 17 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z-Caretaker_government_/gouvernement_en_affaires_courantes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-17T16:55:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z"></span>A caretaker is a <i>custos,</i> so maybe a phrase based on that would work. <i><a href="/wiki/Rectio" title="Rectio">Rectio</a> custodialis</i> perhaps? <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-17T16:55:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 17 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-17T16:55:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-03-17T16:55:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Professions,_functions_etc." data-mw-thread-id="h-Professions,_functions_etc.-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"><span id="Professions.2C_functions_etc."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Professions,_functions_etc.-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Professions, functions etc.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Professions,_functions_etc.-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z-Professions,_functions_etc."></span>We recently had a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Formulae:Capsa_hominis_Vicidata#Gender" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Formulae:Capsa hominis Vicidata">Capsa hominis Vicidata</a>, because I had noticed that the infobox gives as "officium" and "munus" the labels from Wikidata, which are generally generic masculines, while the person in question may be a woman. Extracting the "female form of label" (where it exists) turns out to be too complicated for any of us. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew</a> then suggested that we might use lemmas like "munus politicum" that are neutral instead and update Wikidata accordingly. As I put it there, the label could e.g. be "cantus", with the statement "female form of label" still "cantrix" and the statement "male form of label" still "cantor". But as this goes beyond infoboxes, I thought we should discuss it here. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z-Professions,_functions_etc." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 17 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z-Professions,_functions_etc."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z-Professions,_functions_etc."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-17T20:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Me id proposuisse, mi Sigur, confiteor. Sed, exemplis aliquibus capsae biographicae nostrae iterum perlectis, quaero an melius erit lineas "Officium/Munera" ex his capsis biographicis delere! Recte dicis: verba ibi praebita interdum masculina, loco femininorum, sunt. Sed multo saepius Anglice, loco Latine, exprimuntur. Saepius etiam multiplicantur usque ad infinitum. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Paula_Abdul" title="Paula Abdul">Paula Abdul</a> in textu brevissimo nostro quinque munera Latina habet, id quod iam ridiculum est, sed apud Vicidata tredecim munera! Tales enumerationes nudae lectoribus humanis omnino inutiles sunt.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Diana_Abbott" title="Diana Abbott">Dianá Abbott</a> textum perbrevem sed non inutilem damus. Secundum Vicidata tredecim officia verbosissima, Anglice expressa, duoque munera habuit.</li></ul></dd> <dd>An possumus omnia talia apud Vicidata in Latinitatem reddere? Quo facto, an utile erit? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-17T20:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 17 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-17T20:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-17T20:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Briefly, for readers who find English easier: Yes, I proposed that, but! Looking at typical infoboxes, their inclusion of extensive, boring, undigested English under "Officium/Munera" is much worse than the gender issue. We could cure both by deleting "Officium/Munera" from the infobox. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 18 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-17T16:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z"></span>Mihi tamen videtur haec linea delenda non esse; in multis capsis haec unica (praeter annos vitae) expleta est, et bonis verbis Latinis. Perdemus laborem eorum, qui haec munera in Vicidata inseruerunt, etiam in duobus generibus; acquisitiones maiores, quam damna, non erunt. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 18 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T09:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z"></span>It's true that I had accidentally given Andrew some pretty extreme examples there, which are probably not really representative... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 18 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T17:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z"></span>Cum vocabula Latine non reddita in capsa abundant nec facultas ad vertendum ea in Vicidatis est, ipsae capsae paginarum singularum deleri possunt, nec officia in omnibus capsis. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 18 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T17:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z"></span>Id autem facere non possumus. Haec capsa res sub quaque rubrica Vicidatorum repertas aut omnibus casibus haurit, si id mandamus, aut nullis. Ab initio (anno 2015) eas rubricas selegi, sub quibus res utiliores reperiebantur. Eas rubricas, cuius res saepissime Anglice exprimuntur, sub lineis celatis ordinavi: hac ratione "Officia" et "Munera" sub lineis celatis videntur. Ergo tres optiones habemus, sed ad omnes paginas biographicas eodem modo applicandae: (1) rem monstrare (e.g. imago, nativitas, obitus); (2) rem monstrare sub lineis celatis (e.g. munera, officia); (3) rem omittere.</dd> <dd>Quibus rebus dictis, disputationibus nostris rursus perlectis, ad verba Demetrii supra dicta "haec linea delenda non esse; in multis capsis haec expleta est bonis verbis Latinis. Perdemus laborem eorum, qui haec munera in Vicidata inseruerunt; acquisitiones maiores, quam damna, non erunt" -- revenio et cum eo consentio! Capsa imperfecta est, sed, mea mente, labore mutationum difficilium tempus nostrum perdemus. Melius est possibilitates futuras exspectare. Quid dicitis? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 18 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-03-18T19:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z"></span>Cur dicis nos capsas (non rubricas!) singularum paginarum delere non posse? Res mihi facilis appparet... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 18 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-18T20:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z"></span>Id dicere non volui. Verba Demetri hora 19:51 scripta sine cura legi. Cavete autem: si capsam e.g. imaginem dataque vitalia comprehendentem delemus (a) res utiles perdimus (b) automaticum verificationis opus ab UVbot factum interdicimus.</dd> <dd>His capsis ad labores nostros diminuendos introductis, ab hac disputatione nunc abstineo quia paginas plures creare volo. Salvete optime :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 19 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-18T21:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-21T09:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z"></span>...et creavi! Uno die, quattuor ministros rerum externarum! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-21T09:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 21 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-21T09:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-21T09:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-03-19T09:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Macrons?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Macrons?-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z"><span id="Macrons.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Macrons?-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z"></span>Macrons?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Macrons?-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z-Macrons?"></span>Could one use macrons in the articles? I think most people agree that macrons are useful for the correct pronunciation of Latin, and it also helps with the distinction between certain words. Why are they not used here? </p> <dl><dd>Already have a look <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_17#Dē_longitūdinibus_indicandīs_aut_nōn_indicandīs" title="Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 17">here</a>, <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_21#On_grammatical_specifics" title="Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 21">here</a> and <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_25#De_macronibus_vel_apicibus" title="Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 25">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z-Macrons?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 20 Martii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z-Macrons?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z-Macrons?"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:49:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z"></span>So Apex (causá discretivá) are allowed to make distinctions as noted above, but not for general pronunciation? I guess that is ok: there are tools for bulk accent marking now, so it gets closer to a point (if the discrimination marks were fully applied) that users could apply accent markers throughout if desired. (For my money apex looks more elegant than macrons by far, but that's another thing!) <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:49:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:49:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:49:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-03-20T16:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_translation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_translation-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_translation-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z"></span>Help with translation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_translation-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-T_Cells-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z-Help_with_translation"></span>(<i>I apologize for posting in English </i>): Dear colleagues, We are organizing a project called WPWP that focus on the use of images collected as part of various contest and photowalks on Wikipedia articles across all languages and our team needs your help with translations into the language of this community. Here is the translation link: <a class="external free" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Wikipedia+Pages+Wanting+Photos&language=en&action=page&filter=">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Wikipedia+Pages+Wanting+Photos&language=en&action=page&filter=</a> I am sorry if I post in the won't venue. Thanks in anticipation. <a href="/wiki/Usor:T_Cells" title="Usor:T Cells">T Cells</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:T_Cells&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:T Cells (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-T_Cells-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z-Help_with_translation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 13 Aprilis 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-T_Cells-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z-Help_with_translation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-T_Cells-2020-04-13T17:46:00.000Z-Help_with_translation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Propositio_paginae_cottidianae" data-mw-thread-id="h-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z"></span>Propositio paginae cottidianae<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae"></span>Possumusne paginam cottidianam proponere ad certum diem? --<a href="/wiki/Usor:Bavarese" title="Usor:Bavarese">Bavarese</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Bavarese" title="Disputatio Usoris:Bavarese">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 12 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z-Propositio_paginae_cottidianae"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z"></span>Cur non? <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Index_paginarum_cottidianarum" title="Vicipaedia:Index paginarum cottidianarum">Hic</a> propone! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 12 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z-Bavarese-2020-05-12T17:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AristippusSer-2020-07-03T20:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a>: Huius te ne paeniteat (censura non est!), sed puto "quid ni?" te maluisse quam "cur non?" dicere. ("cur non": "what is the reason that not...?" hoc est rogatio; "quid ni": "why not, why don't we...?" hoc est adprobatio. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lexica.linguax.com/smith.php?searchedGL=why">vide apud Smith & Hall</a>. — Si iam scis, piget me!) <a href="/wiki/Usor:AristippusSer" title="Usor:AristippusSer">Aristippus Ser</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:AristippusSer" title="Disputatio Usoris:AristippusSer">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-AristippusSer-2020-07-03T20:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 3 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AristippusSer-2020-07-03T20:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AristippusSer-2020-07-03T20:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T21:04:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Adprobo :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T21:04:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 3 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T21:04:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T21:04:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-12T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""usor"_aut_"usuarius"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z"><span id=".22usor.22_aut_.22usuarius.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z"></span>"usor" aut "usuarius"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?"></span>I invite you to join the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV#usuarius,_usor" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">Disputatio Usoris:UV#usuarius, usor</a> whether "usor" should be changed in Vicipaedia's user interface to "usuarius". Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 16 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-05-16T20:51:00.000Z-"usor"_aut_"usuarius"?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Administration_-_one_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Administration_-_one_question-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Administration_-_one_question-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z"></span><i>Administration</i> - one question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Administration_-_one_question-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z-Administration_-_one_question"></span>Hello! I would like to renounce my administrator-status at the Latin Wikipedia as soon as possible. Reason: lack of time. Unfortunately, I do not know how to make that. Please help me. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Giorno2" title="Usor:Giorno2">Giorno2</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Giorno2" title="Disputatio Usoris:Giorno2">disputatio</a>) </p> <dl><dd>Hi, Giorno2. I have emailed you to check whether you really want to do this, because in my opinion there is no need. If you choose, you can simply stop using the admin tools. If later you have more time and change your mind, you can begin to use them again. And I hope you will!</dd> <dd>But, anyway, although I am a grapheocrates, I can't do what you ask. I'm sorry. Someone more powerful is needed. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z-Administration_-_one_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 27 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z-Administration_-_one_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-27T20:44:00.000Z-Administration_-_one_question"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR" data-mw-thread-id="h-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Parliamentum de tralatione: FVNGENDO CONSVMOR<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR"></span>Salvete Amici Amicaeque! </p><p>Peto tralationem aptam in linguam diurnam istius sententiae <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_H%C3%B6rmann_(Patrizier)">Georgii Hermani</a>: </p><p><b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.coingallery.de/KarlV/Fugger_D.htm#14">FVNGENDO CONSVMOR</a></b> </p><p>(Georgius Hermanus fuit inter alia salvator nonullorum librorum <a href="/wiki/Bibliotheca_Corviniana" title="Bibliotheca Corviniana">Bibilothecae Corvinianae</a> et benefactor <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympia_Fulvia_Morata">Olympiae Fulviae Moratae</a>.) </p><p>Quis postest assistere in ponderatione, interpretamento et tralatione? </p><p>Mei conatus preambuli sunt: </p><p>In lingua theodisca: </p> <ul><li>Ich werde vom Verwalten aufgezehrt.</li> <li>Ich verzehre mich beim Verwalten.</li> <li>Ich gehe voll und ganz im Verwalten auf.</li> <li>Das Verwalten ist mein Leben/mein Ding/meins.</li></ul> <p>In lingua anglica: </p> <ul><li>While on duty I burn the candle at both ends.</li></ul> <p><b>Ludi incipiant! (Triste ludere sine collusores.)</b> Omnia benificia vestra unanimiter complectiam!!! </p><p>Gratias vobis ago! <a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 28 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z-Parliamentum_de_tralatione:_FVNGENDO_CONSVMOR"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Ipse Theodisce dixit: "Dienend verzer ich mich." <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 28 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-28T18:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z"></span>Gratias tibi <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a>! Significasne vere: Ipse = Georgius Hermanus in persona propria dixit vel scripsit? Habesne fontem afferrandum informationis tuae? Consentimusne tralationem in voce activa voci passivae praeferrandam esse? <a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 29 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-28T18:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z"></span>Certe fontes quaerere oportet! Nomen eius Latinum, sicut in nummis coaevis legitur, est "Georgius Herman" (non "Georgius Hermanus"), sed alios fontes huius nominis Latini non iam repperi.</dd> <dd>Nummus ibidem verba "Fungendo consumor" praebet. Id mihi dicit verba Latina, ab W. B. Jaeger rubricata, re vera ab Herman(o) aut dicta, aut assumpta, aut laudata esse. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 29 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T06:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z"></span>Ave <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a>, gratias tibi ago. Fons materialis non nummus est sed nomisma quarum <i>verba latina mandata sunt per Georgium Hermanum</i>. Intellego in contexto ut „ipse“ refert ad tralationem theodescam, ergo fontis quaestio de verbis theodescis est. Si verba theodesca fontem habent, non iam tralationem dissertare necesse est.</dd> <dd>Exemplum nominis “Hermanus” in epistula Olympiae Moratae refertur <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://mateo.uni-mannheim.de/desbillons/olimp/seite58.html">(in fine paginae IC/in initio paginae C)</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 29 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-05-29T08:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z"></span>Vide paginas 834 et 835 (typis pinguibus additis) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=B5wAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA835&lpg=PA835&dq=fungendo+consumor&source=bl&ots=L7aaeXnkNd&sig=ACfU3U0zApub7dTkqJhT-e1gxRk03ro8Ag&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR-aHP_9jpAhUhknIEHdqzCsMQ6AEwA3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=fungendo%20consumor&f=false">hic</a>: "Es handelt sich um die Wahl eines ,Symbolum'. Hermann [ipse!] schreibt darüber: ,De Symbolo meo, de quo alias ad te scripsi, non possum omittere quin rursus tibi sim molestus. Et si enim pro uno multa a te accepi, que ut sunt pulcherrima ita mihi fuere gratissima, nondum tamen in illo animo meo omnino factum est satis, re autem et locutione vernacula satis exprimo quod uolo, sed latinis verbis aeque paucis ac significantibus idem cupio reddi. Germanico sic sonat: <b>,,Dienend verzer ich | mich"</b> re id significo per candelam impositam Candelabro que ardeat ac dimidium consumpta sit. Quo hoc significare uolo, quod quemadmodum candela dum hominum usibus lucet ac inseruit ipsa se consumit, ita ego dum patronis bonisque amicis operam meam sedulo die noctuque impendo, valetudinem ac vires alteram ac ad instar candelae paulatim consumo. Quidam mihi ita reddiderunt: <b>fungendo consumor</b> sed aliis non videtur gratiam habere nec etiam mihimet placet. Proinde te etiam atque etiam rogo, ut affectui meo hoc tribuas ac quomodo latine apte et significanter id dici potest doceas. Gratius hoc tempore mihi facere potes nihil.'" ] <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 29 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-29T10:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-30T07:14:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z"></span>Salve <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">Iacobe Amore</a>, reprehensionem acerbam meris quia ludum perdidisti. – Quantum de ista sententia disputandum esset! Mihi dolet neminem nunc non iam nihil de ista ponderare.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Et gratias multissimas meris pro responso optimo!!! Ex fonte afferto etiam didici sententiam theodiscam primo existere et sententiam latinam tralationem esse. Aliquo modo deprehenso sum quia putavi linguam latinam quasi sermonem innatum doctorium philosophiae saeculi MDX. esse. Nunc confidenter “Dienend verzehr ich mich” (modo linguae theodiscae hodiernae) in capite de Georgio Hermano afferam. Bene vale! <a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-30T07:14:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 30 Maii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-30T07:14:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-05-30T07:14:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-05-29T12:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda" data-mw-thread-id="h-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z"></span>difficultas in pagina scribenda<span data-mw-comment-end="h-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda"></span>Scripsi hanc paginam de musica iungula </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://la.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iungala_(musica)">https://la.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iungala_(musica)</a> attamen ultima sententia praeciditur. </p><p>Quid faciam? </p><p>Terrymonkey </p> <dl><dd>Salve, Terrymonkey, et libenter te accipimus. Si verba in lineam ponis, spatio relicto, verba formam aliam habebunt:</dd></dl> <p>Ecce verba sine spatio. </p> <pre> Ecce verba cum spatio in prima lineae parte. </pre> <p>Necesse est spatia removere ut verba formam usitatam habeant. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Amahoney" title="Usor:Amahoney">A. Mahoney</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Amahoney" title="Disputatio Usoris:Amahoney">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 9 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z-difficultas_in_pagina_scribenda"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amahoney-2020-06-10T18:47:00.000Z-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z"></span>Bene fecisti! Cum de pagina loquaris, nomen hoc modo scribere potes: <a href="/wiki/Iungala_(musica)" title="Iungala (musica)">Iungala (musica)</a>. Nunc, sis, de consuetudinibus nostris <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Structura_paginae" title="Vicipaedia:Structura paginae">hic</a> legere potes, ut paginam tuam perfacias! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Amahoney" title="Usor:Amahoney">A. Mahoney</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Amahoney" title="Disputatio Usoris:Amahoney">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Amahoney-2020-06-10T18:47:00.000Z-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 10 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amahoney-2020-06-10T18:47:00.000Z-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amahoney-2020-06-10T18:47:00.000Z-Amahoney-2020-06-09T13:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda." data-mw-thread-id="h-eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda."><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda."></span>eandem difficultatem habui in ultima pagina scribenda.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-eandem_difficultatem_habui_in_ultima_pagina_scribenda."></span></h2></div> <p>Ut a titula ostenditur, habui eundem incommodum cum ultimam quaestionem scripsi! Ultima verba in quadrato apparent. </p><p>Quaeso, vis, ut aliquis vicipaedianus nescio quo modo mihi subveniat! G.T.A. </p><p>terrymonkey </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z"><span id="Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Salvete Vicipaediani eruditissimi!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amahoney-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!"></span>recentissimus sum in his rebus. Multos iam annos lego wikipediam Anglice, nuper Latine. magnopere volo iuvare in vicipedia augenda quam ad causam scripsi primas paginas meas de musica iungula et cantore illo gallica Tom Jones. Nunc tamen mihi est pagina facienda melior. </p> <pre>Itaque Magistro Mahoney scribere conatus sum, sed tamen incommodum singulare habui, id quod est: litteris addendis ad paginam disputationis magistri solum poteram eas addere ad primam arculam, non ad aream ubi scribendae sunt litterae principes. </pre> <p>Ergo hanc litteram scribo. Iterum conabor alteram epistulam ad alterum magistrum, alio computatorio adhibito. Valete Terrymonkey </p> <dl><dd>Non recte te intellegis. Si vis in pagina disputationis mea scribere, tibi licet, nexu utens cuius titulus est "partem novam addere." Sed omnes interrogationes in Taberna videbunt; est fortasse melius hic scribere. (Et, ut in pagina usoris mea videtur, sum femina: "magistra," vel "Anne" inter collegas!) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Amahoney" title="Usor:Amahoney">A. Mahoney</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Amahoney" title="Disputatio Usoris:Amahoney">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Amahoney-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 12 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amahoney-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amahoney-2020-06-12T12:49:00.000Z-Salvete_Vicipaediani_eruditissimi!"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'" data-mw-thread-id="h-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z"><span id="arcus_aeranaceus_or_.27sand_box.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z"></span>arcus aeranaceus or 'sand box'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'"></span>Vicipaediaene Latinae est 'sand box'? Si ita, qui nomen illo est? Gratias [Scribebat usor Terrymonkey.] </p> <dl><dd><i>Harenarium.</i> <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 17 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z-arcus_aeranaceus_or_'sand_box'"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-06-17T21:38:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z"></span>Vide hic: <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Harenarium" title="Vicipaedia:Harenarium">Vicipaedia:Harenarium</a>. Harenarium tuum est hic: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Usor:Terrymonkey/Harenarium&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usor:Terrymonkey/Harenarium (non est haec pagina)">Usor:Terrymonkey/Harenarium</a>. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-06-17T21:38:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 17 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-06-17T21:38:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-06-17T21:38:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-17T14:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p>Gratias tibi ago, amice. Iam scio quam ob rem sit harenarium meum, sed tamen quam ob rem est harenarium illud alterum? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z"><span id="Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF.2C_could_be_Latinized"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z"></span>Broadcast standard CC-BY videos available from ZDF, could be Latinized<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span>Hi there, you may have heard that there are a set of very high quality documentary clips that have been made available by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/terra-x/terra-x-creative-commons-cc-100.html">German broadcaster ZDF</a>. These include a number of Ancient World related clips, as well as others on climate change and so on. These seem like a really obvious thing to bring in here (and use more widely, as I have <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://openlatin.org/2020/06/19/classics-and-minority-languages-should-grab-this-chance-immediately/">blogged here</a>). They are being utilised on German Wikipedia already. </p><p>My Latin isn't up to translation, but if people here are wanting to collaborate, I don't mind helping with some basic steps like extracting the relevant German subtitles (again, someone else should check any translation – I have only basic German). <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z"></span>Yes, they look very useful. Latinists are by definition multilingual, so (in my opinion) German subtitles are not the most pressing problem. The first question for me is, are they already on Commons, or being imported to Commons? Is there a Commons category containing them? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T06:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:13:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z"></span>@Andrew Dalby</a> Yes to the first question, some of them at least are imported and categorised at: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X">commons:Category:Videos_by_Terra_X</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:13:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:13:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:13:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z"></span>On subtitles, I guess my point is that anything needing translating will need a text to start with. The clips come from longer films which contain German subtitles. Annoyingly the subtitles aren't included in the clips but I think can be assumed to be copyable given they are the text that is already released as cc-by. These can then be transliterated via Google to other target languages, or directly translated to Latin; but I am hopeful the content will be used by more than just Latin, so would be helpful to be ready for use in German and English. So steps could be: <ol><li>Get the German transcript (plus other languages as required)</li> <li>Translate to Latin</li> <li>Add Latin audio and / or subtitles.</li></ol></dd> <dd>if that makes sense? <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T08:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z"></span>Yes, it does now! I'm no use at manipulating videos, so I'll leave others to comment on those points. Thanks again meanwhile. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T09:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z"></span>Here is a stab at the Roman Roads video:</dd> <dd><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><span><video id="mwe_player_0" poster="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/220px--Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.jpg" controls="" preload="none" data-mw-tmh="" class="mw-file-element" width="220" height="124" data-durationhint="48" data-mwtitle="Das_Straßennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" data-mwprovider="wikimediacommons" resource="/wiki/Fasciculus:Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm"><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.480p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="480p.vp9.webm" data-width="854" data-height="480" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.720p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="720p.vp9.webm" data-width="1280" data-height="720" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.1080p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="1080p.vp9.webm" data-width="1920" data-height="1080" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-width="1920" data-height="1080" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.144p.mjpeg.mov" type="video/quicktime" data-transcodekey="144p.mjpeg.mov" data-width="256" data-height="144" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.240p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="240p.vp9.webm" data-width="426" data-height="240" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.360p.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp8, vorbis"" data-transcodekey="360p.webm" data-width="640" data-height="360" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/47/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm/Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm.360p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="360p.vp9.webm" data-width="640" data-height="360" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=ca&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="ca" label="català ‪(ca)‬" data-dir="ltr" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=de&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="de" label="Deutsch ‪(de)‬" data-dir="ltr" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=en&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="en" label="English ‪(en)‬" data-dir="ltr" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=es&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="es" label="español ‪(es)‬" data-dir="ltr" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=kw&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="kw" label="kernowek ‪(kw)‬" data-dir="ltr" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=la&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="la" label="Latina ‪(la)‬" data-dir="ltr" /><track src="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=timedtext&title=File%3ADas_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_%28CC_BY_4.0%29.webm&lang=nl&trackformat=vtt&origin=%2A" kind="subtitles" type="text/vtt" srclang="nl" label="Nederlands ‪(nl)‬" data-dir="ltr" /></video></span><figcaption>Das Straßennetz im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0)</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd>I used Google translate to transcribe the audio, did manual correction as best I could, then, Google translate to English, with manual corrections. Adding captions is very easy, it works about how you would expect it would on a Wikipedia site. If someone can add Latin captions to this version (perhaps after double checking the German and English) then we can consider doing Latin audio. Then it is just rinse and repeat! <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T12:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z"></span>I have cheekily added a <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Das Straßennetz im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt">Latin subtitle file</a>, if someone wants to edit it. The English is <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.en.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Das Straßennetz im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm.en.srt">here</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T12:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Ha! You make it seem easy. I'll have a go at one of these. Could you produce a subtitle file for the "Angkor" clip? I wrote most of the <a href="/wiki/Angkor_Wat" title="Angkor Wat">Angkor Wat</a> page, and I'd like to add a clip to it. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">@Andrew Dalby</a>, I will have a go later today, and set up a subtitle file. Would you prefer English or German to replace? <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z"></span>I'll work from the German, that's fine.</dd> <dd>Am I correct in thinking that the eventual subtitle language (if available) will be each user's preferred language? Or will it be the language of the wiki it's used on? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z"></span>Yes, all subtitles are seen by the user. It probably defaults to the wiki language. If we make a Latin audio version, that will need the subtitle files copying across, as it will be a new file (I don't think Wikipedia supports adding multiple audio tracks to a video file, at least not yet). <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-1"></span>An alius quis commentatiunculam de viis Romanis vertere velit? [Does someone else want to translate the "Roman roads" subtitles?] <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T14:31:00.000Z-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T15:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z"></span>Here is the Latin subtitles file, currently with German in it <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">@Andrew Dalby</a>:<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Angkor_-_Zentrum_des_K%C3%B6nigreichs_der_Khmer_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Angkor - Zentrum des Königreichs der Khmer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm.la.srt">commons:TimedText:Angkor_-_Zentrum_des_Königreichs_der_Khmer_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm.la.srt</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AAngkor_-_Zentrum_des_Königreichs_der_Khmer_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm">file page</a>)<a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T15:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T15:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T15:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T14:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span>I added the Straßennetz clip to <a href="/wiki/Viae_Romanae" class="mw-redirect" title="Viae Romanae">Viae Romanae</a>, and Andreas Raether's translation seems to be showing up. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T13:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z"></span>Excellent, any other priorities or requests to create German / English files for translation? <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-20T16:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z"></span>Translatio finished, could you, please, look out for errores (res vectoria Romana fuit ...? res vectoriae Romanae fuerunt ...?), gratias. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andreas_Raether" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andreas Raether">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-20T16:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z"></span>I have finished "Angkor" too, and I will add it to the <a href="/wiki/Angkor_Wat" title="Angkor Wat">Angkor Wat</a> page. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-20T16:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z"></span>That's great. In the absence of any priorities right now, I am going to pull the transcripts off Google for some of the videos, leave those on the pages, and see which seem interesting. I think the ancient and classical history is a good one for me to try to do more on so i will probably time code some of those in German and English. I will let you know how I get on. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T18:29:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-20T18:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Files_available_for_subtitling" data-mw-thread-id="h-Files_available_for_subtitling-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Files_available_for_subtitling-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z"></span>Files available for subtitling<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Files_available_for_subtitling-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling"></span>There are 23 files that have been subtitled. They are at </p> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_German_subtitle_file" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file">Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file</a>.</li> <li>If anyone wants me to add a Latin subtitle file with a particular language to work from let me know <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-20T20:40:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling"></span>I am adding German subtitles to the files in the list below, starting with the ones about the ancient world. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z-Files_available_for_subtitling"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T20:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z"></span>So, using any of the files in the <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_German_subtitle_file" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file">German category</a> (or the English category), we could create Latin subtitle files: we would start by pasting in the German or English text, then editing it. Is that right? <dl><dd>Yes exactly. Now you have worked on a few it should be fairly easy to work out how to access the subs files from the video menu also. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T20:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T20:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T20:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z"></span>I had a problem with the <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Die_Himmelsscheibe_von_Nebra_(CC_BY_4.0)_.webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Die Himmelsscheibe von Nebra (CC BY 4.0) .webm.la.srt">Nebra sky disk</a>. Now I see why. Your transcription facility didn't work well (it hadn't heard of the Pleiades, for example -- you can't really blame it). Another editor corrected the German file immediately after I failed to understand it! But anyway the German commentary is rather weak on this one. So, when you're ready, we could try doing a Latin subtitle file and a Latin spoken text to accompany it. That way, we could improve it a bit. It's very short, so perhaps a good one to start with. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T10:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z"></span>I see, yes, I've been asking people to check and correct these, and they have done for most of them now. I've also slowed up doing English and or recommending people work on new files while I get more of the German and and English checked.</dd> <dd>In any case we don't have to slavishly copy the German narration when doing audio files. The subtitles I guess should match on the original but this doesn't have to be the same on a dubbed version. 20:20, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC) <dl><dd>Yes, I felt what the voice says should more or less match what the subtitles say (and should relate to what's on the screen, too!), otherwise the audience feels disorientated. Hence, if I want to "enrich" the subtitles, I need to enrich the voice commentary to match.</dd> <dd>The clips are very good in general, and the commentary does generally say the most important things, but naturally for a German audience. When hearing/reading about the prehistory of the Germany region, an international audience might find other details of interest, e.g., that the materials of the <a href="/wiki/Discus_caelestis_Neviri_villae" title="Discus caelestis Neviri villae">Nebra sky disk</a> came from great distances, the copper from the Austrian Alps and the tin and gold from Cornwall. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 24 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-28T20:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a>: @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a>: @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a>: and others; we are up to 42 subtitled files at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_German_subtitle_file" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file</a> and a couple of people have corrected all the German files. I'm leaving the remaining 16 science related videos for now, hopefully someone else can do those. I will move onto English next and likewise will ask for native (DE) speaker checks.<a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-28T20:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 28 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-28T20:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-28T20:09:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-24T08:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Subtitle files ready to edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p>Please ask for any files to be added to this list, or else, simply copy the German or English to a new Latin file via "Add subtitles" from the video file. All subtitled files can be found at: </p> <ul><li>* <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_German_subtitle_file" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file">Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file</a></li> <li>* <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_English_subtitle_file" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file">Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added" data-mw-thread-id="h-German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"></span>German text ready for Latin to be added<span data-mw-comment-end="h-German_text_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Catalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk,_erste_Gro%C3%9Fsiedlung_der_Menschheit_(CC_by_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Catalhöyük, erste Großsiedlung der Menschheit (CC by 4.0).webm.la.srt">commons:TimedText:Catalhöyük,_erste_Großsiedlung_der_Menschheit_(CC_by_4.0).webm.la.srt</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added" data-mw-thread-id="h-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z"></span>German and English together ready for Latin to be added<span data-mw-comment-end="h-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Wie_die_R%C3%B6mer_Recht_gesprochen_haben(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Wie die Römer Recht gesprochen haben(CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added"></span>commons:TimedText:Wie_die_Römer_Recht_gesprochen_haben(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T13:05:00.000Z-German_and_English_together_ready_for_Latin_to_be_added"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Nearly_done?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nearly_done?-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"><span id="Nearly_done.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nearly_done?-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"></span>Nearly done?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nearly_done?-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Die_Himmelsscheibe_von_Nebra_(CC_BY_4.0)_.webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Die Himmelsscheibe von Nebra (CC BY 4.0) .webm.la.srt">commons:TimedText:Die_Himmelsscheibe_von_Nebra_(CC_BY_4.0)_.webm.la.srt</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Completed_for_checking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Completed_for_checking-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Completed_for_checking-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z"></span>Completed for checking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Completed_for_checking-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Freizeit_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Freizeit im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking"></span>commons:TimedText:Freizeit_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt</a> Latine reddidi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 6 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-07-06T07:07:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking"></span></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Leben_in_Frankfurt_am_Main_im_Mittelalter_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Leben in Frankfurt am Main im Mittelalter (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-15T05:15:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking"></span>commons:TimedText:Leben in Frankfurt am Main im Mittelalter (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt</a> Latine reddidi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andreas_Raether" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andreas Raether">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-15T05:15:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 15 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-15T05:15:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-15T05:15:00.000Z-Completed_for_checking"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="First_check_made" data-mw-thread-id="h-First_check_made-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-First_check_made-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z"></span>First check made<span data-mw-comment-end="h-First_check_made-Subtitle_files_ready_to_edit-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Das Straßennetz im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span>commons:TimedText:Das_Straßennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt</a> (Andrea asks for a check above). <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z-First_check_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 22 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-22T21:08:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Correxi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-22T21:08:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 22 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-22T21:08:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-22T21:08:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-22T16:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Hadrianswall_und_Limes.webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Hadrianswall und Limes.webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span>commons:TimedText:Hadrianswall_und_Limes.webm.la.srt</a> -> Please, check my translation. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andreas_Raether" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andreas Raether">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z-First_check_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-22T15:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z"></span>Correxi rogatu Andreae. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-22T15:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 22 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-22T15:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-22T15:17:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-06-21T17:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Demokratie_in_Athen_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Demokratie in Athen (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span>commons:TimedText:Demokratie in Athen (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Textum Theodiscum Latine reddidi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:20:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z"></span>Textum Latinum mihi bonum videtur. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:20:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:20:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T17:20:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-23T05:56:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Angkor_-_Zentrum_des_K%C3%B6nigreichs_der_Khmer_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Angkor - Zentrum des Königreichs der Khmer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span>commons:TimedText:Angkor - Zentrum des Königreichs der Khmer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm.la.srt</a> <ul><li>Quaeso, textum meum corrigite! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z-First_check_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-23T20:50:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z"></span>Feci equidem. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-23T20:50:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-23T20:50:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-23T20:50:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:So_wohnten_die_Menschen_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:So wohnten die Menschen im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made-1"></span>commons:TimedText:So wohnten die Menschen im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm.la.srt</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z-First_check_made-1"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-06-24T02:48:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Primam versionem perfeci; corrigite, quaeso! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-06-24T02:48:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 24 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-06-24T02:48:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-06-24T02:48:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-25T10:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Correxi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-25T10:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:20, 25 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-25T10:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-25T10:20:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-21T18:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Karthago,_Ph%C3%B6nizische_Gro%C3%9Fstadt_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Karthago, Phönizische Großstadt (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span>commons:TimedText:Karthago,_Phönizische_Großstadt_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm.la.srt</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) 06:46, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC) Latine reddidi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z-First_check_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 25 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z"></span>Perlegi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-06-23T06:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Persepolis,_Hauptstadt_Persiens_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm.la.srt" class="extiw" title="commons:TimedText:Persepolis, Hauptstadt Persiens (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm.la.srt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span>commons:TimedText:Persepolis, Hauptstadt Persiens (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm.la.srt</a> Latine reddidi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z-First_check_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z-First_check_made"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z"></span>Perlegi unumque verbum mutavi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T20:52:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-26T08:07:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant" data-mw-thread-id="h-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span>Files that may be particularly relevant<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Prehistory" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prehistory-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prehistory-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Prehistory<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prehistory-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kunst_in_der_Steinzeit.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Kunst in der Steinzeit.webm">commons:File:Kunst in der Steinzeit.webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Speere_-_%C3%A4lteste_Waffen_der_Menschen_(CC_BY_4.0)_.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Speere - älteste Waffen der Menschen (CC BY 4.0) .webm">commons:File:Speere - älteste Waffen der Menschen (CC BY 4.0) .webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Die_Himmelsscheibe_von_Nebra_(CC_BY_4.0)_.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Die Himmelsscheibe von Nebra (CC BY 4.0) .webm">commons:File:Die Himmelsscheibe von Nebra (CC BY 4.0) .webm</a> // LA subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Ancient" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ancient-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ancient-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Ancient<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ancient-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Demokratie_in_Athen_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Demokratie in Athen (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Demokratie in Athen (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // LA subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karthago,_Ph%C3%B6nizische_Gro%C3%9Fstadt_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Karthago, Phönizische Großstadt (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Karthago, Phönizische Großstadt (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // LA subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Persepolis,_Hauptstadt_Persiens_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Persepolis, Hauptstadt Persiens (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Persepolis, Hauptstadt Persiens (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bahnbrechende_Entdeckungen_der_Antike_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Bahnbrechende Entdeckungen der Antike (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Bahnbrechende Entdeckungen der Antike (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Catalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk,_erste_Gro%C3%9Fsiedlung_der_Menschheit_(CC_by_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Catalhöyük, erste Großsiedlung der Menschheit (CC by 4.0).webm">commons:File:Catalhöyük, erste Großsiedlung der Menschheit (CC by 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Die_Gr%C3%BCndung_Bagdads_im_8._Jahrhundert_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Die Gründung Bagdads im 8. Jahrhundert (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Die Gründung Bagdads im 8. Jahrhundert (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jerusalem_-_Stadt_des_Glaubens_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Jerusalem - Stadt des Glaubens (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Jerusalem - Stadt des Glaubens (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Petra,_Hauptstadt_der_Nabat%C3%A4er_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Petra, Hauptstadt der Nabatäer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Petra, Hauptstadt der Nabatäer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Uruk,_erste_Metropole_der_Weltgeschichte_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Uruk, erste Metropole der Weltgeschichte (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Uruk, erste Metropole der Weltgeschichte (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Roman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Roman-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Roman-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Roman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Roman-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Das_Stra%C3%9Fennetz_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Das Straßennetz im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Das Straßennetz im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // LA subs translated</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hadrianswall_und_Limes.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Hadrianswall und Limes.webm">commons:File:Hadrianswall und Limes.webm</a> // LA subs translated</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:So_wohnten_die_Menschen_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:So wohnten die Menschen im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:So wohnten die Menschen im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // LA subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Freizeit_im_antiken_Rom_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Freizeit im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Freizeit im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE-EN subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wie_die_R%C3%B6mer_Recht_gesprochen_haben(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Wie die Römer Recht gesprochen haben(CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Wie die Römer Recht gesprochen haben(CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Early_Germans" data-mw-thread-id="h-Early_Germans-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Early_Germans-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Early Germans<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Early_Germans-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wie_die_Germanen_gewohnt_haben_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Wie die Germanen gewohnt haben (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Wie die Germanen gewohnt haben (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Woran_glaubten_die_Germanen_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Woran glaubten die Germanen (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Woran glaubten die Germanen (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Post_Roman_and_medieval" data-mw-thread-id="h-Post_Roman_and_medieval-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Post_Roman_and_medieval-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Post Roman and medieval<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Post_Roman_and_medieval-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Angkor_-_Zentrum_des_K%C3%B6nigreichs_der_Khmer_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Angkor - Zentrum des Königreichs der Khmer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Angkor - Zentrum des Königreichs der Khmer (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // LA subs translated</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Die_Aachener_Kaiserpfalz_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Die Aachener Kaiserpfalz (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Die Aachener Kaiserpfalz (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lalibela_-_Monolithische_Felsenkirchen_(CC_BY-SA_4.0)_.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Lalibela - Monolithische Felsenkirchen (CC BY-SA 4.0) .webm">commons:File:Lalibela - Monolithische Felsenkirchen (CC BY-SA 4.0) .webm</a>// DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Leben_in_Frankfurt_am_Main_im_Mittelalter_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Leben in Frankfurt am Main im Mittelalter (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:Leben in Frankfurt am Main im Mittelalter (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palenque_-_Ruinenstadt_der_Maya_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Palenque - Ruinenstadt der Maya (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Palenque - Ruinenstadt der Maya (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mekka,_Geburtsort_des_Islam_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Mekka, Geburtsort des Islam (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Mekka, Geburtsort des Islam (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Early_modern" data-mw-thread-id="h-Early_modern-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Early_modern-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Early modern<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Early_modern-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Die_Weltkarte_von_Mercator.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Die Weltkarte von Mercator.webm">commons:File:Die Weltkarte von Mercator.webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newtons_Idee_der_Schwerkraft.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Newtons Idee der Schwerkraft.webm">commons:File:Newtons Idee der Schwerkraft.webm</a> // DE-EN subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Per%C3%BCcken_als_sozialer_Status_(CC_BY_4.0)_(720p).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Perücken als sozialer Status (CC BY 4.0) (720p).webm">commons:File:Perücken als sozialer Status (CC BY 4.0) (720p).webm</a> DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rekonstruktion_der_Stadt_K%C3%B6ln_im_17._Jahrhundert.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Rekonstruktion der Stadt Köln im 17. Jahrhundert.webm">commons:File:Rekonstruktion der Stadt Köln im 17. Jahrhundert.webm</a> // DE-EN subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Taj_Mahal_-_Mausoleum_der_Liebe_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Taj Mahal - Mausoleum der Liebe (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm">commons:File:Taj Mahal - Mausoleum der Liebe (CC BY-SA 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Other_historical" data-mw-thread-id="h-Other_historical-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Other_historical-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span>Other historical<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Other_historical-Files_that_may_be_particularly_relevant"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:So_wurde_das_KZ_Auschwitz_gebaut_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:So wurde das KZ Auschwitz gebaut (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:So wurde das KZ Auschwitz gebaut (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:So_wurde_die_Berliner_Mauer_gebaut_(CC_BY_4.0).webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:So wurde die Berliner Mauer gebaut (CC BY 4.0).webm">commons:File:So wurde die Berliner Mauer gebaut (CC BY 4.0).webm</a> // DE subs available</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="My_Workflow_for_subtitling" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_Workflow_for_subtitling-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_Workflow_for_subtitling-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span>My Workflow for subtitling<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_Workflow_for_subtitling-Broadcast_standard_CC-BY_videos_available_from_ZDF,_could_be_Latinized"></span></h3></div> <ol><li>Using Google translate phone App, play video audio from computer so Google translate app can transcribe the German from the audio</li> <li>Copy and paste the German to a file, send to computer for editing</li> <li>Listen back to the German to spot any obvious errors</li> <li>Create a German subtitle file through the "Add subtitles" link on the video player</li> <li>Listen through the video to timecode the German subtitles</li> <li>Copy and paste the German timecoded file</li> <li>Use Google translate to render the German subtitle file as English</li> <li>Edit the English to seem sensible</li> <li>Use "Add subtitles" link on the video file to create English subtitle file</li> <li>Paste in the English translation</li> <li>Request German speaker check the German and English</li> <li>Create Latin files from English or German as desired for manual translation</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disney_cartoon_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disney_cartoon_articles-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disney_cartoon_articles-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span>Disney cartoon articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disney_cartoon_articles-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z-Disney_cartoon_articles"></span>There are some pages about animated Disney movies that are currently protected, such as <a href="/wiki/The_Lion_King" title="The Lion King">The Lion King</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bambi" title="Bambi">Bambi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dumbo" title="Dumbo">Dumbo</a>, and <a href="/wiki/The_Aristocats" title="The Aristocats">The Aristocats</a>. I realize that they were protected because of vandalism, but could protection be lifted? The pages have been protected since at least 2010, 10 years ago (if not more than 10 years). Some of these pages still need improvement, but they can't be improved by anyone if protected. Also, does anyone have any interest in any of these movies? There are also TV shows like <a href="/wiki/Liv_and_Maddie" title="Liv and Maddie">Liv and Maddie</a> that need improvement. In the past, text in other languages had been reverted, but can there be a proper translation of the content that was added? <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4" title="Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4">2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z-Disney_cartoon_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 20 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z-Disney_cartoon_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z-Disney_cartoon_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span>Yes, it was a long time ago. I've removed the protection. It only prevented anonymous editing from IP addresses: anyone with a named account was already able to edit these pages.</dd> <dd>I don't quite understand your question "can there be a proper translation of the content that was added?" There can be anything, as long as it's encyclopaedic, sourced, and written in Latin! Please feel free to edit and improve. Anything that was deleted can still be found in the article history. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-22T22:06:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z"></span>As far as a proper translation of the content added is concerned, I mean a proper Latin translation of content in English or other languages, such as Spanish. I know there's a problem with that, the lack of interests in articles that aren't high priority. But if there were useful facts that could be added in Latin that should, who could translate it? The edits are indeed still in the history, but they were reverted for being non-Latin or machine translated. There are also more articles that still need unprotection if possible: <a href="/wiki/Send_to_Chihiro" class="mw-redirect" title="Send to Chihiro">Send to Chihiro</a>, <a href="/wiki/Totoro" class="mw-redirect" title="Totoro">Totoro</a>, <a href="/wiki/Teletubbies" title="Teletubbies">Teletubbies</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Hound" title="The Fox and the Hound">The Fox and the Hound</a>, <a href="/wiki/Oliver_%26_Company" title="Oliver & Company">Oliver & Company</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Walt_Disney_Company" title="The Walt Disney Company">The Walt Disney Company</a>, <a href="/wiki/Beauty_and_the_Beast_(pellicula_1991)" title="Beauty and the Beast (pellicula 1991)">Beauty and the Beast (pellicula 1991)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Babe_(pellicula)" title="Babe (pellicula)">Babe (pellicula)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Brother_Bear" title="Brother Bear">Brother Bear</a>, <a href="/wiki/Beverly_Hills_Chihuahua" title="Beverly Hills Chihuahua">Beverly Hills Chihuahua</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Lion_King_3:_Hakuna_Matata" class="mw-redirect" title="The Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata">The Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata</a>, <a href="/wiki/Charlotte%27s_Web_(pellicula_1973)" title="Charlotte's Web (pellicula 1973)">Charlotte's Web (pellicula 1973)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Charlotte%27s_Web_(pellicula_2006)" title="Charlotte's Web (pellicula 2006)">Charlotte's Web (pellicula 2006)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Charlotte%27s_Web" title="Charlotte's Web">Charlotte's Web</a>, <a href="/wiki/Charlotte%27s_Web_2:_Wilbur%27s_Great_Adventure" title="Charlotte's Web 2: Wilbur's Great Adventure">Charlotte's Web 2: Wilbur's Great Adventure</a>, <a href="/wiki/Snow_White_and_the_Seven_Dwarfs_(pellicula_1937)" title="Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (pellicula 1937)">Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (pellicula 1937)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Pinocchio_(pellicula_1940)" title="Pinocchio (pellicula 1940)">Pinocchio (pellicula 1940)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Beauty_and_the_Beast:_The_Enchanted_Christmas" title="Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas">Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Babe:_Pig_in_the_City&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Babe: Pig in the City (non est haec pagina)">Babe: Pig in the City</a>, <a href="/wiki/Madagascar_(pellicula)" title="Madagascar (pellicula)">Madagascar (pellicula)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Madagascar:_Escape_2_Africa" title="Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa">Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa</a>, and <a href="/wiki/High_School_Musical" title="High School Musical">High School Musical</a>. Meanwhile, I discovered a protection notice on <a href="/wiki/Ice_Age_(pellicula)" title="Ice Age (pellicula)">Ice Age (pellicula)</a>, but it is not actually protected anymore. So, shouldn't the template be removed from it? <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/104.58.147.208" title="Specialis:Conlationes/104.58.147.208">104.58.147.208</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-22T22:06:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 22 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-22T22:06:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-22T22:06:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-21T13:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span>You could translate it! I thought that was what you had in mind. And you could also remove the template you mention, if the page is not protected.</dd> <dd>This specific protection was placed on those pages to deal with a specific problem. It probably isn't needed any more, but please make clear whether you plan to do any work here or not. If you do, we will gladly ensure that all is open to you and others to do it. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 23 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:E0B9:F220:A78A:BAA4-2020-06-20T22:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z"></span>I can write a few things, but I would need help with translating the removed facts that I can't translate myself. I would like the pages open to everyone as long as the protection is not needed anymore. I can remove those protection templates from expired pages. <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/104.58.147.208" title="Specialis:Conlationes/104.58.147.208">104.58.147.208</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-23T08:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Well, then, write a little on the pages that you first asked about. And think about registering an account -- but that's your choice. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z-104.58.147.208-2020-06-26T17:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z"></span>I edited a few such as <a href="/wiki/The_Three_Caballeros" title="The Three Caballeros">The Three Caballeros</a> and <a href="/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_(pellicula_1951)" title="Alice in Wonderland (pellicula 1951)">Alice in Wonderland (pellicula 1951)</a>. Also, could the history of <a href="/wiki/Bambi_II" title="Bambi II">Bambi II</a> be undeleted? Also I would like <a href="/wiki/Brother_Bear_2" title="Brother Bear 2">Brother Bear 2</a> undeleted so that I can add to it. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9" title="Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9">2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T18:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z"></span>I recreated Brother Bear 2, but can the old history be undeleted? <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9" title="Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9">2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T19:57:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z"></span>Think about registering an account. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T19:57:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 26 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T19:57:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-26T19:57:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z"></span>The work requested above, unprotection and undeletion, takes some time, and I'm not prepared to do it just because an IP address wants it. If any other magistratus thinks it's a good idea to do it at this point, I have no objection. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 27 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F0:AD70:C567:85BA:7BAF:7F9-2020-06-26T18:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z"></span>The protections look right & proper as they stand. For potential contributors, they're hardly onerous—and removing them will almost certainly invite further unhelpful changes. Let's not do unnecessary work! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 27 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-27T13:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z"></span>If you'll notice, there are useful edits I've made lately, and I could still register as a user, but there doesn't seem to be much risk anymore, as the vandalism has passed after over 10 years. The vandals are long gone. I will register to make more good edits, but the vandalism risk is smaller now than it was 10 years ago. Bambi II and Brother Bear 2 I would like undeleted for historical reasons. I don't know if that's so much to ask for since it's only two articles. I know there are many more pages I requested though, so it may take time to unprotect them all, but the vandalism should be over now. High School Musical hasn't received much disruption since the protection was instated. Some of the others like Pinocchio have been edited, but not in four or five years. Some of these pages still need updating, expanding, or general cleanup, and I'm going to have to register to do it if the pages can't be unprotected. But in the meantime, unprotection may be a good idea if it's OK with anyone else. Unless the articles are still disrupted with vandalism, they won't need the protection anymore. <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B" title="Specialis:Conlationes/2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B">2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B</a> <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 28 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z"></span>I just registered. Do you still think that those protections are necessary though? <a href="/w/index.php?title=Usor:TheCityStars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usor:TheCityStars (non est haec pagina)">TheCityStars</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:TheCityStars" title="Disputatio Usoris:TheCityStars">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 28 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z-2600:1700:53F1:5560:A19E:91CD:C678:996B-2020-06-28T16:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-28T17:15:00.000Z-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z"></span>That's great. You will find, after four days, that you will be able to edit any pages that are semi-protected. You will also be able to move pages if it's needed.</dd> <dd>Meanwhile, I restored the history of those two pages as you asked. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-28T17:15:00.000Z-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 28 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-28T17:15:00.000Z-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-28T17:15:00.000Z-TheCityStars-2020-06-28T16:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z"></span>Celtic Knot Conference 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020"></span>I've justed noticed this, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020" class="extiw" title="meta:Celtic Knot Conference 2020">meta:Celtic Knot Conference 2020</a>, which is about Wikimedia and minority language content. That could in many ways apply to the Latin situation, we might find some common cause. I'm going to go along (I also speak Welsh, better than my Latin by a long way!) <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-06-21T20:01:00.000Z-Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum" data-mw-thread-id="h-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span>De Translitteratione Nominum Serum Priscorum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum"></span>Vicipaediani cum iamdudum nomina Serica (Sinica) in litteras Latinas danda secundum nostrae aetatis translitterationem, hoc est Pinyin, consentire videamur, tamen de hoc consulamus precor, utrum iis quae a Phillippo Couplet librorum Latine de rebus Sericis scriptorum auctore inventis nominibus priscos apud Seres sit utendum annon; ego autem fateor me iam multas paginas movisse, ex. gr. domus Qing → <a href="/wiki/Familia_Cim" title="Familia Cim">familia Cim</a> secundum P. Couplet (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio:Familiae_imperiales_Sinarum" title="Disputatio:Familiae imperiales Sinarum">de verbo “familia” haec quoque vide</a>), cuius liber fons primaria hac de re mihi videtur (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=BerpG7rz0_YC&lr=&as_brr=1&pg=RA4-PR3#v=onepage&q&f=false"><i>Tabula Chronologica Sinicae Monarchiae</i></a>), sed permultas esse iam movendas ratus vobis quid sententiae sit discere velim, quam ob rem has ad utraque translitteratione utendum rationes nunc dabo: </p><p><i>Rationes ad Philippi Couplet Translitterationem Eligendam:</i> </p> <ol><li>Cum P. Couplet apud Seres diutius viveret Latinamque eorum doctos linguam praecepisset, multa quae a Seribus antiquis ipsis Latine scripta secundum eius translitterationem fecerunt, ut ex. gr. <a href="/wiki/Imperator_Kam-Hi" title="Imperator Kam-Hi">imperator Kam-Hi</a>, qui ipse cum epistulam ad papam Clementem XI mitteret nomen suum hoc modo scripsit;</li> <li>Fons primaria quaecumque Latine scripta de rebus Sericis non nisi P. Couplet translitteratione uti solebant, nec si quis nescius linguae Sericae libros illos legere studeat nomina secundum nostrae aetatis translitterationem data invenire potuerit;</li> <li>Etsi quidem P. Couplet translitteratio haud maius opere linguae Latinae nativae enuntiationi conveniat quam altera, tamen fortasse enuntiationis linguae Sericae repraesentio non nostrae aetatis sed priscorum esse videtur; ut ex. gr. Pekinum pro Beijing dictum est, quod ante XIX saeclum non fuit [tɕ] vox sermonis Mandarinici, sed cum quadam probabilitate [k]. (Hoc tamen nescio an privata inventio [“original research”] sit?)</li></ol> <p><i>Rationes ad Translitterationem Nostrae Aetatis Eligendam:</i> </p> <ol><li>Opus non erit cum simul de eos qui apud fontem primariam non sunt nominati duobus translitterationis generibus uti, ut ex. gr. de imperatore Kam-Hi simul ac de nepote eius, cui iuniori nato quam P. Couplet nomen secundum illius translitterationem aut prorsus abest, aut si aliqua datur difficile est semper quaerere, quam ob rem nomen secundum nostrae aetatis translitterationem ut Qianlong dandum est. Quod autem difficilius esse lectu videtur quam si et Kam-Hi nomen ut Kangxi secundum hanc daretur;</li> <li>Si quis vulgari quodam sermone iam multa de rebus Sericis doctus nomina secundum P. Couplet translitterationem legat, nescio an prorsus vertere Sericam in linguam sciat. Attamen id quoque forsitan iuvet, quod debeat libros illos ante legere quam aliquae nova ad paginam adferat.</li></ol> <p>Dico autem mihi hoc iam est consilium, nomina rerum earum quas multum tractavit aut Philippus Couplet aut alius quidam Latine scriptor secundum illius translitterationem danda, ea autem de quibus fons deest Latine scripta secundum nostrae aetatis; quod ad res de quibus vix scripserunt aut nomen tantum nominarunt, eae quoque fortasse secundum nostrae aetatis translitterationem dandae sunt ut facilius apud libros recentiores inveniri possint. At huic utrum alii quoque consentiant, vobis rogo. <a href="/wiki/Usor:AristippusSer" title="Usor:AristippusSer">Aristippus Ser</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:AristippusSer" title="Disputatio Usoris:AristippusSer">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 21 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z-De_Translitteratione_Nominum_Serum_Priscorum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-22T12:54:00.000Z-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span>Quaestionem perutilem ponis! Rem hoc modo distinguo et eodem tempore responsa mea dabo, responsis aliorum exspectatis: <ol><li>Si nomen omnino Latinum in fontibus Latinis reperimus (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Confucius" title="Confucius">Confucius</a>), quid facere? Nomine Latino uti!</li> <li>Si nomen non Latinum, sed in contextu Latino, in fontibus Latinis reperimus (e.g. "Kam-Hi" sicut <a href="/wiki/Imperator_Kam-Hi" title="Imperator Kam-Hi">imperator Kam-Hi</a>), quid facere? Incertus sum; regulam haud iam fecimus, nisi fallor; consilia editoris paginae respectivae postulabo.</li> <li>Si neque nomen Latinum neque fontem Latinum habemus, quid facere? Regulam habemus: translitteratione internationali utimur dum fontes Latinos quaerimus. Quibus fontibus repertis, paginam movere possumus, fontibus rite citatis.</li></ol></dd> <dd>Cur hanc regulam fecimus? Quia omnis Vicipaedianus, qui velit, haec regulae facilius obtemperare potest, omnisque lector, qui velit, regulam nostram intellegere potest.</dd> <dd>Hac ratione, ubi fontem non habemus, translitterationem pinyin, plurimis notam et in pluribus Vicipaediis usitatum, praefero. Qua regula recepta omnis editor, qui paginam creare vel edere velit, nomen licitum sine difficultate praeponere potest, sed omne nomen, cui fontem Latinum citare possumus, nobis forma Latina rescribere paginamque movere licet.</dd> <dd>Quo dicto, Philippo Couplet opere tam utili de hominibus familiisque Sericis praebente, eis nominibus, quae ille dedit, cur non uti possumus? Eandem fere rem Sigur et Demetrius Talpa nostri recenter e fontibus Latinis de rebus Islamicis faciebant. Semper aliquid novum e libris Google :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-22T12:54:00.000Z-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 22 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-22T12:54:00.000Z-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-22T12:54:00.000Z-AristippusSer-2020-06-21T22:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="red_links_vel_tituli_rubri" data-mw-thread-id="h-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z"></span>red links vel tituli rubri<span data-mw-comment-end="h-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri"></span>quomodo indicem titulorum rubrorum reperio? exstat in Vicipaedia Anglica, sed in Vicipaedia Latina tamen id reperire nequeo. </p> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialis:Paginae_desideratae">hic, si recte intelligo</a> <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 22 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-22T22:12:00.000Z-red_links_vel_tituli_rubri"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pagina_Thom_Jones" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pagina_Thom_Jones-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pagina_Thom_Jones-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z"></span>Pagina Thom Jones<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pagina_Thom_Jones-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z-Pagina_Thom_Jones"></span>Potest fieri ut aliquis legat paginam meam Thomas Jones si forte confirmat, si minus, Latinitatem? Habet signum quod nuntit eam Latinitate caret. res mutavi complures. Etiam, titulum mutandum est, sed nescio.<br /> Post scriptum: quomodo est Latinitas discernitur? Estne machina automatica? </p> <dl><dd>Seat-of-the-pants judgment. I once tried to quantify the method (see <a class="external text" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor/Adventures">my adventures in translating</a>), but the process would be so onerous that an editor's time would be better spent editing, rather than rating. Doing the back translations was fun though, the point being to make each error in the Latin correspond with an error in the English, so an English-speaker would feel the same degree of discomfort as Cicero might. For example, <i>mortus</i> (misspelling of <i>mortuus</i>) might be rendered 'dude' or 'deed' (instead of 'dead'), and <i>consilium principalis</i> (gender disagreement) might be rendered 'orooginal plan', and perhaps my favorite: <i>moris</i> is quite correctly translated as 'mulberry-trees' instead of what the author was trying for: <i>moribus</i> 'customs, ways, habits, conduct, morals'. Or for a whole sentence: <i>Post multas carmina, 4 symphoniae, et cetera opera musicae composit</i> = 'Aft he compeezes moony songs, 4 soomphonies, and other works of music'. That gives you, in order: wrong syntax (preposition <i>post</i> for conjunction <i>postquam</i>), wrong verb-form (<i>composit</i>), wrong gender (<i>multas</i>), and wrong case (<i>symphoniae</i>). <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z-Pagina_Thom_Jones" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 27 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z-Pagina_Thom_Jones"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-27T13:15:00.000Z-Pagina_Thom_Jones"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z"><span id="Quomodo_dicere_eighties.2C_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z"></span>Quomodo dicere eighties, nineties twenties etc Latine?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?"></span>Sicut titulum. Quomodo dicere... </p> <ul><li>Hic saepe videbam: in <a href="/wiki/Anni_1980" title="Anni 1980">decennio 199</a> (=eighties) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 28 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z-Quomodo_dicere_eighties,_nineties_twenties_etc_Latine?"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z"></span>Preferably, <a href="/wiki/Anni_1980" title="Anni 1980">anni 1980</a>, etc; e.g. floruit annis 1980. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:51, 29 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-28T22:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z"></span>"Decennium 199" (etc.) est locutio quam multis locis correximus, sed multis locis manet! Mea mente eliminare oportet.</dd> <dd><i>Paginas</i> huius generis ante <a href="/w/index.php?title=Anni_1810&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Anni 1810 (non est haec pagina)">annos 1810</a> convenimus omnes delere, perpaucasque res quae in eis erant in paginas generis <a href="/wiki/Saeculum_19" title="Saeculum 19">Saeculum 19</a> transferre. Id quod magna parte iam diu feci ego. Paginae huius generis supervivunt ab <a href="/wiki/Anni_1820" title="Anni 1820">annis 1820</a> hodie usque. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 29 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z-Neander-2020-06-29T06:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z"></span>Gratias tibi rursus ago, amici. Legaturus vestrum responsa cum eis vaco. [ <a href="/wiki/Usor:Terrymonkey" title="Usor:Terrymonkey">Usor:Terrymonkey</a> -- fortasse ad disputationem priorem respondet?] <dl><dd>Decas a <a href="/wiki/1980" title="1980">1980</a> ad <a href="/wiki/1989" title="1989">1989</a> = annii 1980, sed decas a <a href="/wiki/1981" title="1981">1981</a> ad <a href="/wiki/1990" title="1990">1990</a> = <a href="/wiki/Decennium_199" class="mw-redirect" title="Decennium 199">decennium 199</a> (vel <a href="/wiki/Decennium" title="Decennium">decennium</a> nonum saeculi vicensimi).. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 29 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T08:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z"></span>Ita, et praeter problema mathematicum, haec locutio et Latinae et aliis linguis aliena esse videtur. Vide disputationes priores <a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Formulae:Annus" title="Disputatio Formulae:Annus">hic</a>, <a href="/wiki/Disputatio:Principia_theoriae_M" title="Disputatio:Principia theoriae M">hic</a>, et alibi. "Anni 1980" est versio manifesta. Alia quaestio: Quomodo legitur? Anni millesimi nongentesimi octogesimi? :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 29 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-06-29T12:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Gratias ago propter nexus! Mihi videtur plura "decennia 201" (etc.) in paginas Vicipaedicas a geographo anonymo nostro inscripta sunt, cuius Latinitatem non pessimam aestimo. Ille autem Latina sicut lingua arte constructa interdum utitur. "Decennium 201" aedificatori linguarum locutio fortasse omnino idonea, sed lectori humano obscurissima videtur (si humanus sum).</dd> <dd>Opus correctionis longum erit, sed, si formam (e.g.) "[[Decennium 199|annis 1980]]" habemus, iam satis bene, quia lector rem utilem legit et redirectio bene aget; si formam "[[anni 1980|decennio 199]]" habemus, iam satis bene, quia lector, mure summoto, interpretationem "anni 1980" videbitur et nexus bene aget. Ubi autem formas "decennio 199" (sine nexu) habemus, corrigere necesse est. Ubi "[[decennium 199|decennio 199]]" habemus, redirectio aget sed melius erit corrigere, mea mente. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 29 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-06-29T14:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z"></span>Non contradicam, nam <i>decennium 187</i> etc. re vera difficile est intellectu. Alteram quaestionem addo: in litteris Russicis saepissime non solum de annis hoc modo dicitur, sed etiam de hominibus, e.g. <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_(XIX_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA)" class="extiw" title="ru:Шестидесятники (XIX век)"><i>шестидесятники</i></a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixtiers" class="extiw" title="en:Sixtiers"><i>sixtiers</i></a>, et nonnunquam mihi hac locutione opus erat — <i>qui annis sexagesimis (saeculi undevicesimi) floruerunt</i>? <i>hexecostales</i>? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 29 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-29T16:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:43:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z"></span>Paraphrasim tuam — <i>qui annis sexagesimis floruerunt</i> — laudo, mi Demetri! Quando sic scribis, intellego. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:43:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 2 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:43:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:43:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-06-29T18:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Latin_chatroom" data-mw-thread-id="h-Latin_chatroom"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Latin_chatroom"></span>Latin chatroom<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Latin_chatroom"></span></h2></div> <p>Sciturne aliquibus locus colloquendi Latine in interretiali? Eiusmodi noveram,autem incommodum erat: nonnulli locutores homines dextrissimi videbantur. Locus colloquendi sine factione ni dextra ni laeva mihi placeat. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Primam_paginam_confectam!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Primam_paginam_confectam!-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z"><span id="Primam_paginam_confectam.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Primam_paginam_confectam!-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z"></span>Primam paginam confectam!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Primam_paginam_confectam!-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z-Primam_paginam_confectam!"></span>Primae meae paginae me finem fecisse puto. si tibi placeat, ea lecta, dic mihi num menda ulla graviora insint. Mihi titulum mutandum est? Quomodoque? Ei non est Bibliographia quod citi insunt. Fasne est? Una sectio solum est, Biographia. Emendatum est? Omnibus rectis, quando abibit ista admonitio de Latinitate? </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Usor:Terrymonkey" title="Usor:Terrymonkey">Usor:Terrymonkey</a> fortasse de pagina "<a href="/wiki/Thomas_Jones" title="Thomas Jones">Thomas Jones</a>" loquitur? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z-Primam_paginam_confectam!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 30 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z-Primam_paginam_confectam!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T20:00:00.000Z-Primam_paginam_confectam!"></span></dd></dl> <p>Ita vero pagina "<a href="/wiki/Thomas_Jones" title="Thomas Jones">Thomas Jones</a>" Dicere oblitus sum. Percepi non esse paginam de hoc viro temporum nostrum. :<a href="/wiki/Usor:Terrymonkey" title="Usor:Terrymonkey">Usor:Terrymonkey</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z"></span>Stipulae farciendae versus commentarios novos minimos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos"></span>Quaestio magni momenti (mea opinione) in Vicipaedia Latina, quae olim etiam sororem internationalem i.e. versionem Vicipaediae Esperanticam stimulaverat, est haec: praeferenda utrum sit creatio commentationum novarum an verborum in stipulis augmentatio? Vel "Myrias" lemmatum desideratorum in Vicipaedia nostra Latina saepe res maxime augendas praebet. Paginarum multitudo sola valorem encyclopaedicum - proh dolor! - non auget. Esperantistae autem gaudeant de interpretatore automatorio maxime efficaci e Vicipaediae Anglicae copia ( <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://wikitrans.net">https://wikitrans.net</a> ) itaque nonnulli dicunt computatri conversiones superare lucubrationes esperantistarum ... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Giorno2" title="Usor:Giorno2">Giorno2</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Giorno2" title="Disputatio Usoris:Giorno2">disputatio</a>) </p> <dl><dd>Apud Vicipaediam a mense Ianuario 2016 paginas novas brevissimas deprecati sumus (vide e.g. <a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Mabelina#De_iubilaeo_Vicipaedianorum" title="Disputatio Usoris:Mabelina">hic</a>). Indicem <a href="/wiki/Specialis:Paginae_novae" title="Specialis:Paginae novae">paginarum novarum</a> perlegens, certe paginas nimis breves inter longiores video, sed paucas.</dd> <dd>Me paenitet, Giorno2: paginas Latinas computatro versas intellegere haud possum! Fere omnes delere necesse est, nisi quis rescribere velit. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 30 Iunii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z-Stipulae_farciendae_versus_commentarios_novos_minimos"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z"></span>Qui brevissimas Vicipaediae paginas deminuere vult, haud impotens est. Strategemata varia habes. Vide e.g. sub <a href="/wiki/Categoria:Corrigenda" title="Categoria:Corrigenda">Categoria:Corrigenda</a> illam seriem categoriarum ab <a href="/w/index.php?title=Categoria:Augenda_a_mense_Iulio_2016&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Categoria:Augenda a mense Iulio 2016 (non est haec pagina)">Categoria:Augenda a mense Iulio 2016</a> incipientem. Omnis pagina, quae nimis brevis sit sive fonte externo careat (etc.), ibi addere potes, formula {{Augenda|2020|07}} ad caput paginae addita. Omnis pagina iam ibi enumerata augeri licet. Omnis pagina, quae iam tres menses formulam "Augenda" monstrat, deleri licet.</dd> <dd>Ego tales paginas, si una res deest (e.g. fons externus, textus, bonus titulus Latinus), aut si rem gravissimam esse censeo, augere et emendare conor. Si duae res desunt, aut delere aut in aliam paginam utilem redirigere soleo. Si nulla res deest (id quod interdum accidit) formulam "Augenda" gaudens removeo! Si nondum temptavisti, tempta ... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 2 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-06-30T19:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T08:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z"></span>Gratias pro informationibus. In principio Vicipaediae cuiuslibet stipulae necessariae sunt. Qua re nostram Latinam cum Esperantica (utraque internationali) comparavi. Et ego stipulam creabo, si necessaria est tamquam ligamen ad multa alia lemmata referens. Attamen ab irrisoribus linguarum harum duarum, qui "naturales linguas" sive "vivas linguas" tantummodo ante oculos habent, stipulae libenter atque vehementer impugnantur. Itaque ad Vicipaediam Latinam corroborandam censeo quod paulo maioris momenti sit stipulas novis verbis augere quam novas stipulas minimas creare ... Tamen scilicet etiam res minus amplae salvae sunt! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Giorno2" title="Usor:Giorno2">Giorno2</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Giorno2" title="Disputatio Usoris:Giorno2">disputatio</a>) <dl><dd>Duas res praefandas censeo: <ol><li>Linguae Latinae, sicut et Esperanticae, "habitus" brevis est: commentatio enim (si bene composita sit) multo brevior, quam e.g. Anglica, lectori utilis esse potest. Opinionem lectorum (potius quam irrisorum) considero ...</li> <li>Sunt certe alii, sicut ego, qui commentationes breves creant et semper semperque augent. Hic componendi modus in Vicipaediis Anglica Francogallicaque difficilis factus est: qua ratione apud nos saepe, apud istas rarissime paginas creo.</li></ol></dd> <dd>Quibus rebus dictis, omni fere propositioni, qua augeatur commentationum nostrarum bonitas, assentior! Alii quid dicunt? An regulam, amice Giorno2, seu potius consensum proponis? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T08:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 3 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T08:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-03T08:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T18:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Formulae" data-mw-thread-id="h-Formulae-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Formulae-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Formulae<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Formulae-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z-Formulae"></span>Multas Formulas Habeo in mea pagina, "<a href="/wiki/Iungala_(musica)" title="Iungala (musica)">Iungala (musica)</a>" quae mihi scribenti impediunt. Fasne est eos atollere? Et si ita fecero, fieri poterit eas reponere? [ <a href="/wiki/Usor:Terrymonkey" title="Usor:Terrymonkey">Usor:Terrymonkey</a> ] </p> <dl><dd>Si paginam etiam scribis, singulam formulam {{In progressu}} ad caput ponere potes. Id pro te in hac pagina nuper feci. Quo facto, nemo editiones faciet nisi tu. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z-Formulae" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 2 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z-Formulae"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z-Formulae"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-02T18:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Here's the text and an English translation of what it might seem to be saying: <dl><dd>Musica iungala est genus musicae quae orta est Londinii circiter anno 1990. Haec musica componitur ictu intervalli (Anglice: breakbeat), brasso grave, et sonis computatorio adhibito additis. Nata est de alia musica saltus, nomine rave, anglice dicto.</dd> <dd>Iungala music is a genre of the music that arose at London around in the year 1990. This music is composed with regard to the beat of an interval (English: breakbeat), heavy cabbage, and sounds added to an applied computatorium. It was born from another music. [There's a] leap, rave by name, as spoken in English.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>(Could the unknown <i>brassu</i>(<i>m/s</i>) be related to <a href="/wiki/Brassica" class="mw-redirect" title="Brassica">brassica</a>? If not: 'heavy "brassu(m/s),"' whatever that might be.) This translation might help in revealing problematic junctures. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-02T18:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 2 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-02T18:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-02T18:28:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-02T17:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Update_on_Videos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Update_on_Videos-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Update_on_Videos-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z"></span>Update on Videos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Update_on_Videos-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z-Update_on_Videos"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a>:, @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a>:, @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a>:, @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a>: and others, here is an update: </p> <ol><li>The video files are all organised into categories now, reflecting their status by language (no subs, subs added, checked or not checked) <ol><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X</a></li></ol></li> <li>In total 43 files now have German subtitle files, all checked by German speakers. <ol><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_German_subtitle_file_checked" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file checked">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with German subtitle file checked</a></li></ol></li> <li>The 43 German subtitled videos also have English subtitle files, some checked. <ol><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_English_subtitle_file" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file</a></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_English_subtitle_file_checked" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file checked">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file checked</a></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_English_subtitle_file_unchecked" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file unchecked">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with English subtitle file unchecked</a></li></ol></li> <li>Eight files have Latin subs of some sort (two are ready for edit, or in progress) <ol><li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_Latin_subtitle_file_added_unstarted_or_in_progress" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with Latin subtitle file added unstarted or in progress">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with Latin subtitle file added unstarted or in progress</a></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_Latin_subtitle_file_checked" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with Latin subtitle file checked">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with Latin subtitle file checked</a></li> <li><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_by_Terra_X_with_Latin_subtitle_file_unchecked" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with Latin subtitle file unchecked">commons:Category:Videos by Terra X with Latin subtitle file unchecked</a></li></ol></li> <li>For the Latin subtitle pages, I have added a guide to help people duplicate subtitle files and edit in Latin so people do not have to rely on me. It is quite easy.</li> <li>Some videos files have disputable facts. I have created a category for these. Most of the time we can deal with that in audio replacement, but in one case (<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Die_Weltkarte_von_Mercator.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Die Weltkarte von Mercator.webm">Mercator</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_Map_by_Geradus_Mercator_CC-By.mpg" class="extiw" title="commons:File:World Map by Geradus Mercator CC-By.mpg">cutting of the visuals was needed</a>.</li></ol> <p>What would you like me to do next? Do we feel the Latin files are now good enough to record; and if so, shall we reach out to people known for good pronunciation, or do the audio among ourselves? <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z-Update_on_Videos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 4 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z-Update_on_Videos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z-Update_on_Videos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z"></span>Hi Jim, first of all: thank you <u>very</u> much for your work. In my opinion the translations adhuc done are OK. Audio: Would be good, but quomodo will be the synthesis of nearly "correct" pronounciation made? At school (Germany) - very long time ago - the pronounciation was german: the "c" became a "tz", the "ae" became an "ä", the "oe" an "ö" and so on - probably haud (poor?) understandible for a Roman listener. On the other hand I would appreciate to listen to and to compare different pronounciations of a text. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andreas_Raether" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andreas Raether">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 4 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T10:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z"></span>Well, yes exactly. I would say that we should <ol><li>solicit a good standard of pronunciation; perhaps prefer Classical</li> <li>we should accept contributions of audio in either Classical or Ecclesiastical</li> <li>we should not use contributed audio where the pronunciation is clearly poor (in the judgement of the editors and admins)</li></ol></dd> <dd>We can reach out to people whose Latin pronunciation is well known as well. There are plenty of these on Youtube, we may have some preferences. If a few did one video, that would provide a lot of variety with reasonable ease. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 4 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry I haven't done any more subtitles in recent days. There are always so many other things to do!</dd> <dd>Andreas's question is a good one. I have never heard the voice of any currently active Vicipaedia editor [ah, with one exception], so I will be fascinated to listen to whatever comes. If the Latin subtitles remain visible, we could all use this medium to learn to listen to unfamiliar pronunciations. Very good for us. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 4 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-04T12:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T07:43:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z"></span>We have a potential volunteer, and new source of contributions! <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ftE9fy9rin4L9e-bP5Ihg">Gaius Annaeus Iacobus</a> also on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/JamesRHaney">Twitter</a> wants to help. He has released (most of the) videos on his channel as cc-by; they contain readings of Catallus. I’m hoping folks here like them! I will be helping him get them onto WikiCommons. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T07:43:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 5 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T07:43:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T07:43:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z"></span>Here is an example of his renditions, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Y2mate.com_-_Catullus_1_ECnDusoaa9U_1080p.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Y2mate.com - Catullus 1 ECnDusoaa9U 1080p.webm">commons:File:Y2mate.com - Catullus 1 ECnDusoaa9U 1080p.webm</a><a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 5 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-04T13:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z"></span>G.Annaeus Iacobus's Latin sounds great to my ears. His pronunciation is accurate, clear – and classical! If he's willing to contribute, I for one wish him welcome. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Neander" title="Usor:Neander">Neander</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Neander" title="Disputatio Usoris:Neander">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 11 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-07-05T10:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-08-01T13:35:00.000Z-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z"></span>G.Annaeus Iacobus mox hic opus faciet. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-08-01T13:35:00.000Z-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 1 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-08-01T13:35:00.000Z-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-08-01T13:35:00.000Z-Neander-2020-07-11T18:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-11T17:20:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z"></span>Ego pronuntiatum ecclesiasticum modo diligo, cum sic dictus "classicus" mihi in odio sit! Ille Italicus etiam in emissionibus radiophonicis Latinis, quae <i><a href="/wiki/Erfordia_Latina" title="Erfordia Latina">Erfordia Latina</a></i> nuncupantur, adhibetur. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Giorno2" title="Usor:Giorno2">Giorno2</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Giorno2" title="Disputatio Usoris:Giorno2">disputatio</a>) <dl><dd>Quaeso, si placeat tibi facere pelliculam pronuntiatum ecclesiasticum, fac! Possum te adjuvare addere sonum ad pellicula, si velis. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-07-11T17:20:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 11 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-07-11T17:20:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-07-11T17:20:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-07-04T11:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bria_(caseus)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bria_(caseus)-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z"><span id="Bria_.28caseus.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bria_(caseus)-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z"></span>Bria (caseus)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bria_(caseus)-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z-Bria_(caseus)"></span>Potestne "Bria (caseus)" converti in "Caseus Brigensis?" "Brigensis" conservat litteram "g" de vocabulo primitivo Celtico "Briga" (v. <a class="external free" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brie_(région))">https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brie_(région))</a>. Gratias. </p> <dl><dd>A, bene! "Brigensis" in paginam de <a href="/wiki/Caseus" title="Caseus">caseo</a> additum non intellegi.</dd> <dd>Nomina e fontibus Latinis constituimus, non ex etymologiis. <i>Brie</i>, iam saeculo XIV vel antea celeber, "Bria" appellatur in fonte Latino quem in ipsa pagina citavimus. Certe, si locutionem "caseus Brigensis" in fonte Latino reperis, motum paginae proponere potes. Ego adiectivum "Brigensis" de oppido Helvetico, non de regione Francica, apud Google repperi, sed tu fortasse meliorem successum habebis.</dd> <dd>Consolationem tibi nihilominus offero ... <i><a href="/wiki/Camembert" class="mw-redirect" title="Camembert">Camembert</a></i>, caseus recens et aevi recentis, cui nullum nomen Latinum ponere potuimus, fortasse renominare licet in nomen Latinum illius parvi vici Normannici ubi primum factus est. (Ibi olim caseolum <i>Camembert</i> valde florentem emi.) Si id censes, ad <a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio:Camembert&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio:Camembert (non est haec pagina)">Disputatio:Camembert</a> propone. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z-Bria_(caseus)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 7 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z-Bria_(caseus)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-07T07:32:00.000Z-Bria_(caseus)"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z"><span id="Scribere_paginas_fas_est.2C_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z"></span>Scribere paginas fas est, cum tamen nec citi nec nexi additi sunt?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?"></span>Volo scribere Latine ipsius causa etiam volo scribere Latine ad Vicipaediam colendas. Addere nexos et citos totiens aegre fero. interdum. Si paginas scribam sed nec eos edam nec perficiam cum nexis etc, simne nequam et piger? Fortasse, si scribam paginas tali modo, post septimanis aut mensibus eis finem faciam. Nescio. </p> <dl><dd>Paginae sine nexibus externis vel bibliographia, sine nexibus ex aliis [paginis] nexibusve ad alias, post tres menses delendae sunt. Ergo, si tales res postea addere vis, formulam {{In progressu}} ad caput paginae pone. Sed facile est! Saepe nexus externos a pagina in alia lingua scripta hic inserere potes per <i>copy + paste</i>. Si id facis, nexum temptare oportet. Nexus vetus "mortuus" inutile est. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 8 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-08T12:53:00.000Z-Scribere_paginas_fas_est,_cum_tamen_nec_citi_nec_nexi_additi_sunt?"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Namespace_aliases" data-mw-thread-id="h-Namespace_aliases-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Namespace_aliases-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z"></span>Namespace aliases<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Namespace_aliases-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z-Namespace_aliases"></span>Hi, I've seen that shortcut pages (Like <a href="/wiki/VP:M" class="mw-redirect" title="VP:M">VP:M</a>) are in the main namespace, which isn't appropiate, so I recommend you to make VP a namespace alias for the namespace Vicipaedia, so linking to the page <a href="/wiki/VP:M" class="mw-redirect" title="VP:M">VP:M</a> would be equal to linking to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Vicipaedia:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Vicipaedia:M (non est haec pagina)">Vicipaedia:M</a>. As you can see in other projects, spanish and english Wikipedia for example, when you put WP: in the search box the predictions are in the Wikipedia namespace. This should happen here, when putting VP: the predictions should be in the Vicipaedia namespace. The phabricator people would have to write <code>$wgNamespaceAliases['VP'] = NS_PROJECT;</code>. Kind regards.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:SRuizR" title="Usor:SRuizR">SRuizR</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:SRuizR&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:SRuizR (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z-Namespace_aliases" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 16 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z-Namespace_aliases"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z-Namespace_aliases"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-17T08:11:00.000Z-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! The admin who knows most about this, I think, is UV, so I'm waiting for his response, or that of others who are more skilled than I am. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-17T08:11:00.000Z-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 17 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-17T08:11:00.000Z-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-17T08:11:00.000Z-SRuizR-2020-07-16T06:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Members_of_political_parties" data-mw-thread-id="h-Members_of_political_parties-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Members_of_political_parties-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z"></span>Members of political parties<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Members_of_political_parties-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z-Members_of_political_parties"></span>The current categorization is insufficiently grainy. For the political affiliation of <a href="/wiki/Olivia_de_Havilland" title="Olivia de Havilland">Olivia de Havilland</a>, for example, the pertinent category in the English wikipedia is "California Democrats." The closest that Vicipaedia comes to that seems to be "Factiones politicae Civitatum Foederatarum"—a sadly inadequate treatment of her and the hundreds of already biographed Americans who want to be categorized by political party right now, and for the tens of thousands who'll want to be categorized by political party <i>and state</i> in the future. Not even <a href="/wiki/Franklinus_Delano_Roosevelt" class="mw-redirect" title="Franklinus Delano Roosevelt">Franklinus Delano Roosevelt</a>, historically the most prominent member of the Democratic Party, is categorized as a member. Perhaps someone interested in politics & categories would like to have a go at such a large & important topic. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z-Members_of_political_parties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 27 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z-Members_of_political_parties"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z-Members_of_political_parties"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z"></span>Could it be you?</dd> <dd>If others agree it would be useful, whoever began this would have to have the energy to make it look sensible from the start. The future waits on the present. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 27 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-27T13:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z"></span>De categoriis factionum, religionum etc. in paginis biographicis haec addo: mea mente, non incaute tales categorias introducere oportet atque semper e textu nostro, fontibus (si necesse sit) corroborato, oriri debent. In Vicipaedia Anglica tales categoriae saepe introducuntur, saepe disputantur, nonnumquam delentur. Pauci sumus: ne disputationes plures importemus! Ergo quis apud nos introducere suscipit, bene antea cogitet. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 28 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-27T17:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z"></span>Iam exstant categoriae "Anarchistae"; "Atheistae Canadae,"  "Atheistae Civitatum Foederatarum," &c, &c, &c; "Libertariani"; "Socialistae Britanniarum," "Socialistae Civitatum Foederatarum," "Socialistae Hispaniae," &c, &c, &c; "Socialistae Christianae"; "Socialistae democratici"—sed nondum "Sodales factionis Democraticae Civitatum Foederarum" &c. We're careful to record in categories the colleges or universities that many politicians attended, but not the (often far more important fact of the) political parties which they promoted and which promoted them. ¶ However, I'm busy with a myriad of mammals (and remnants of birds) at the moment, so others may wish to take up that mantle. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 28 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T09:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T12:15:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z"></span>Certe id quo dico ad illas categorias, magna parte a te creatas, applicandum est ... sed, si nemo de illis usque adhuc disputaverit, aut timores meos inutiles erant, aut tu bene antea cogitaverat :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T12:15:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 28 Iulii 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T12:15:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-07-28T12:15:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-07-28T11:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Non-standard letters in personal names that are page names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names"></span>I'm wondering about the recently created page for Ulrich Krauße, which is <a href="/wiki/Udalricus_Krausse" class="mw-redirect" title="Udalricus Krausse">Udalricus Krausse</a>. Starting from our policy that we translate forenames where possible but leave surnames as they are, I would have opted for "Udalricus Krauße". I'm not saying that the current page name is wrong, but it is easy to see that our practice in this regard isn't uniform. And I think it would be preferable to have a line to take. I can see some merit in "normalising" non-standard letters. The question also arises when we create adjectives. From the point of view of the German language, everything should stay; the standard spelling dictionary "Duden" gives the example "Codex Weißenburgensis" as the correct spelling. But I have to admit that this mix looks pretty dreadful to me, and there is no reason to take those German rules as authoritative, when fully writing in Latin. I think we should have a single rule (both for page names and adjectives) and always stick to it, i.e. either only use standard Latin letters (including or excluding "j"?) or always use the original letters, as long as the basis of the alphabet is Latin. (For non-Latin scripts, I suppose that the rule is that you can have a full title in a different script but that you transliterate personal names in any case). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-07T11:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Isn't the eszett merely a German typographical convention for "ss" (after a long vowel or diphthong)? If so, Latin doesn't have to respect it, any more than it should respect the Italianate <i>ch</i> to represent classical <i>c</i> before <i>e</i> and <i>i,</i> as in <i>Pechinum</i> for "<a href="/wiki/Pecinum" class="mw-redirect" title="Pecinum">Pecinum</a>." ::winkwink:: <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-07T11:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:56, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-07T11:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-07T11:56:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Redirectionem creavi, quod quattuor nexus ad <i>Krauße</i> iam fuerant; fortasse corrigere melius esset. Si quis correxerit (in ipsa pagina), nihil contra dicam. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z"></span>Adiectivos non creemus!</dd> <dd>Quo ad nomen illius codicis spectat, adiectivo Latino iam ab aliis creato, Duden paucam auctoritatem in re orthographiae Latinae habet. Apud Google rarius "Codex Weißenburgensis", crebrius "... Weissenburgensis" repperi, sed rapidissime tantum quaesivi. "-ß-" in adiectivis Latinis neque botanicis neque Catholicis scribitur,, nisi fallor.</dd> <dd>Quo ad cognomen interpretis, Theodiscum est; Latine non convertimus: ego igitur "Krauße" malo, sed pugnam Theodisce loquentibus concedo! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:41:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-08-07T13:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names"></span>Iacobe, the ß originated as a ligature of the long s (ſ) and either s or z (both apparently existed). It is now considered a separate letter, although you are right that it only occurs after long vowels or diphtongs. But ß and ss aren't simply interchangeable. It does make a difference, whether you drink something "in Maßen" (in a measured way) or indeed "in Massen" (massively). The Swiss disagree and always write "ss" instead of "ß", but okay, they have to live with the resulting ambiguities. As for names, some people will be called Strauss and others Strauß, that's unpredictable, but not considered the same. You're supposed to write it the way it's in the person's birth certificate and not change it, because you prefer the other way. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z-Non-standard_letters_in_personal_names_that_are_page_names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z"></span>And as I said: My first instinct was to keep surnames unchanged. I think I have even moved some pages in the past for this reason. I just want to be sure now that everybody agrees that we keep all those ß ä æ ø þ ð and the like systematically. In any event, there should be a redirect from the "normalised" version, if only to accommodate people's keyboards. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-08-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Yes, our norm at least for the last few years has been to preserve special characters in names. An exception might be if the person has published something under a modified Latin name. But Udalricus Krauße's Latin writings also seem to have the Eszett. I went ahead and made the change. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-08-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 8 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-08-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-08-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-08-07T18:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paginae_mensium" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paginae_mensium-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paginae_mensium-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z"></span>Paginae mensium<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paginae_mensium-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z-Paginae_mensium"></span>Ite, o amici, ad <a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Vicipaediae:Pagina_mensis" title="Disputatio Vicipaediae:Pagina mensis">Disputatio Vicipaediae:Pagina mensis</a> paginasque aut vestras aut aliorum proponite. Paginas iam propositas aut accipite aut reiicite. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z-Paginae_mensium" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 7 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z-Paginae_mensium"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-07T13:54:00.000Z-Paginae_mensium"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Confestim?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Confestim?-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z"><span id="Confestim.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Confestim?-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z"></span>Confestim?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Confestim?-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z-Confestim?"></span>O magistratus dormientes! Quid sibi vult vocabulum <i>confestim</i>? For twenty-four hours, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Brexit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Brexit (non est haec pagina)">Vicipaedia's <i>longest article</i></a> has been in <i>a language other than Latin.</i> <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z-Confestim?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 20 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z-Confestim?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z-Confestim?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z"></span>Gratias tibi, Iacobe, ago; recens ab officiis domum veni, vidi, delevi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andreas_Raether" title="Usor:Andreas Raether">Andreas Raether</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andreas_Raether" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andreas Raether">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 20 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T13:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z"></span>Macte! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 20 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z-Andreas_Raether-2020-08-20T18:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-21T07:01:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z"></span>Bene fecisti, mi Andrea. Eo tempore operatione pharmaci anaesthetici dormiebam! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-21T07:01:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 21 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-21T07:01:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-21T07:01:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-20T19:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec." data-mw-thread-id="h-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec.-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec.-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Rursum petitio tralationis: CVM QVATER IMPLESSET ec.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec.-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Kels_der_J%C3%BCngere"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec."></span>Hans Kels</a> artifex <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carchesius_MET_DP102325.jpg">istam numisman</a> occasione Antonii Carchesii visitandi in Raetia anno MDXXXXI fecit. Quis vult assistere tralationem inscriptionis: </p> <dl><dd>CVM.QVATER.IMPLESSET.SEPTEM.CARCHESIVS.ANNOS. / SIC.APVD.ALGAVIOS.LVMINA.ET.ORA.TVLIT</dd></dl> <p>Conatus meus in lingua theodisca: Als Carchesius viermal sieben (= 28) Jahre vollendet hatte, so brachte er den Allgäuern Licht und [ora. = orationem?] </p><p>Cur Carchesii vetustas multiplicatione (quater septem) exprimitur? Estne affirmando <i>proprietates specificas numerorum</i> quatuor aut septem? </p><p>Gratias vobis ago. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 27 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z-Rursum_petitio_tralationis:_CVM_QVATER_IMPLESSET_ec."></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://christchurchartgallery.org.nz/collection/79-55/artist-unknown/progenies-diuum-quintus-sic-carolus-ille-imperii-c"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Hic</a> fortasse responsum invenies. "Such was his look when he was 28" ? ̴̴Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus. <dl><dd>Numerologiam non cognovi, sed puto hos numeros metri causa scriptos esse (hoc est <a href="/wiki/Distichon" title="Distichon">distichon</a> <a href="/wiki/Elegia" title="Elegia">elegiacum</a>). Confer hunc versum <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://latin.packhum.org/loc/893/5/19/1219-1264@1#19">vicesimae Horatii epistulae</a>: "me quater undenos sciat inplevisse Decembris". Et <i>ora</i> hic est fortasse plurale vocis <i>ōs, ōris</i>, n., quae translate linguam, sermonem, eloquentiam significare potest. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 27 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-08-27T17:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z"></span>Nescio an Marcus noster id observavit, sed verba, quae scripsit, versum heroicum Anglicum faciunt, cf. <i>Don Juan</i> domini Byronis I.23 "... she / was married, charming, chaste, and twenty-three." <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 30 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-08-27T22:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z"></span>Facetissime loqueris, mi Andrea. Observare quidem non potui quia sermo Anglicus mihi non patrius est et litteras Anglicas parum novi. Anglice verti quia verbum <i>look</i> mihi aptissimum ad sensum (lumina et ora sic quidem interpretatus sum) videbatur nec in aliis linguis aliquid simile ex improviso inveni. Recte tamen Lesgles quod poetae Latini adverbio multiplicanti libenter utuntur metri causa et nimis prosaici sermonis vitandi.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Usor:Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus" title="Usor:Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus">Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Cari amici @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus" title="Usor:Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus">Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus</a>: @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a>: @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a>: multas gratias deliberationibus vestris ago quas me perturbare admitto quia directiones disiunctas indicant. Itaque etiam plenam tralationem rogo. Sodes proponite istam tralationem, vel minimum conatum tralationis in modernam linguam theodiscam, anglicam, gallicam ec. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 6 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z"></span>"so (i.e. wie du es im Bild siehst) trug er (tulit) Blick (lumina) und Gesicht (ora) vor den Allgauern'. Sic equidem intellego ː stilus poeticus et contortus qui tum elegans videbatur... Gesicht etymologice = lumina quae poetice saepissime oculos designant <a href="/wiki/Usor:Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus" title="Usor:Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus">Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus" title="Disputatio Usoris:Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 7 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-06T16:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z"></span>Gratias tibi <a href="/wiki/Usor:Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus" title="Usor:Marcus Terentius Bibliophilus">Marce Terenti</a> ago. Conclusiones: Falso expectabam explicationen plus philosophicam. Autem accipere decet illum poetam stilum <i>poeticum et contortum</i> recipuisse. Fortasse/probabiliter etiam <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://christchurchartgallery.org.nz/collection/79-55/artist-unknown/progenies-diuum-quintus-sic-carolus-ille-imperii-c">istam imaginem Caroli V. et epigrammam</a> noscebat quas exempla imitanda putabat. Conatus repetitus: "Als Carchesius viermal sieben Jahre alt war, hatte er bei den Allgäuern dieses Aussehen und trug diesen Gesichtsausdruck." "Such were Carchesius' looks at the Allgäu people when he counted four times seven years." Bene an non? Nota: Isto tempore Carchesius erat feriatus in regione algovia. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 8 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z-Marcus_Terentius_Bibliophilus-2020-09-07T13:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span>In English I would say "among the people of Allgäu". "At" is an error. "Allgäu people" is infelicitous because in such phrases the first word is normally an adjective ("Swiss people", not "Switzerland people") and English has no adjective corresponding to "Allgäu". <dl><dd>Etiam in linga anglica corrigor. DISCERE IVCVNDVM EST! Gratiam tibi refero, Andrea. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 10 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span>But I suspect the German translation is really what you want, and the German looks perfect to me! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z"></span>"Lumina et ora (tulit)" appears to be an idiom, perhaps even making a distinction without a difference, much as we might say "(his) look and mien." <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z"></span>Gratias vobis, <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrea</a> et <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">Iacobe</a>. Tralationes in pagina Vicimediae Communiae (→ insprictiones) utor. Ibi tralationes in linguis variis utiles sunt! <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carchesius_MET_DP102325.jpg">Videte!</a> Si qualitas non sufficit vos corrigere vel annotare rogo. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:W._B._Jaeger" title="Usor:W. B. Jaeger">W. B. Jaeger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:W._B._Jaeger" title="Disputatio Usoris:W. B. Jaeger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 10 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-10T20:00:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-09-26T20:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span>We might as well try a (non-literal translation to an) distichon elegiacum in German, e.g.:</dd> <dd>So sah Carchesius aus mit achtundzwanzig Jahren</dd> <dd>Als er zu dieser Zeit bei den Allgäuern weilte.</dd> <dd>Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-09-26T20:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 26 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-09-26T20:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-09-26T20:29:00.000Z-W._B._Jaeger-2020-09-08T17:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Formula:_Phylomap" data-mw-thread-id="h-Formula:_Phylomap-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Formula:_Phylomap-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z"></span>Formula: Phylomap<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Formula:_Phylomap-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z-Formula:_Phylomap"></span>Would a kind programmer like to figure out how to make the following illustration (from the English wikipedia) print in Vicipaedia? </p> <dl><dd><figure class="mw-halign-right noresize" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png/330px-Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png" decoding="async" width="330" height="218" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png/495px-Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png/660px-Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png 2x" data-file-width="1122" data-file-height="741" usemap="#ImageMap_ef2ef41bc183c9ae" resource="/wiki/Fasciculus:Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png" /></span><map name="ImageMap_ef2ef41bc183c9ae"><area href="/wiki/Euryarchaeota" shape="rect" coords="26,156,93,165" alt="Euryarchaeota" title="Euryarchaeota" /><area href="/wiki/Nanoarchaeota" shape="rect" coords="15,136,85,144" alt="Nanoarchaeota" title="Nanoarchaeota" /><area href="/wiki/Crenarchaeota" shape="rect" coords="14,120,82,128" alt="Crenarchaeota" title="Crenarchaeota" /><area href="/wiki/Protozoa" shape="rect" coords="34,90,75,98" alt="Protozoa" title="Protozoa" /><area href="/wiki/Algae" shape="rect" coords="57,59,84,68" alt="Algae" title="Algae" /><area href="/wiki/Plant" shape="rect" coords="66,45,94,52" alt="Plant" title="Plant" /><area href="/wiki/Slime_molds" shape="rect" coords="49,32,111,39" alt="Slime molds" title="Slime molds" /><area href="/wiki/Animal" shape="rect" coords="94,20,132,27" alt="Animal" title="Animal" /><area href="/wiki/Fungus" shape="rect" coords="137,18,164,27" alt="Fungus" title="Fungus" /><area href="/wiki/Gram-positive_bacteria" shape="rect" coords="169,14,239,23" alt="Gram-positive bacteria" title="Gram-positive bacteria" /><area href="/wiki/Chlamydiae" shape="rect" coords="181,26,235,36" alt="Chlamydiae" title="Chlamydiae" /><area href="/wiki/Chloroflexi_(phylum)" shape="rect" coords="199,40,314,47" alt="Chloroflexi" title="Chloroflexi" /><area href="/wiki/Actinobacteria" shape="rect" coords="221,54,289,62" alt="Actinobacteria" title="Actinobacteria" /><area href="/wiki/Planctomycetes" shape="rect" coords="236,70,309,79" alt="Planctomycetes" title="Planctomycetes" /><area href="/wiki/Spirochaetes" shape="rect" coords="240,88,301,97" alt="Spirochaetes" title="Spirochaetes" /><area href="/wiki/Fusobacteria" shape="rect" coords="240,111,300,118" alt="Fusobacteria" title="Fusobacteria" /><area href="/wiki/Cyanobacteria" shape="rect" coords="239,129,323,151" alt="Cyanobacteria" title="Cyanobacteria" /><area href="/wiki/Thermophiles" shape="rect" coords="227,155,302,173" alt="Thermophiles" title="Thermophiles" /><area href="/wiki/Acidobacteria" shape="rect" coords="200,183,265,191" alt="Acidobacteria" title="Acidobacteria" /><area href="/wiki/Proteobacteria" shape="rect" coords="121,194,189,201" alt="Proteobacteria" title="Proteobacteria" /></map><figcaption><a href="/w/index.php?title=Phylogenetic_tree&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Phylogenetic tree (non est haec pagina)">Phylogenetic tree</a> showing the relationship between the Archaea and other domains of life. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Eukaryote&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Eukaryote (non est haec pagina)">Eukaryotes</a> are colored red, archaea green and <a href="/wiki/Bacteria" title="Bacteria">bacteria</a> blue. Adapted from Ciccarelli et al. (2006)</figcaption></figure></dd></dl> <p><br /> It could profitably be added to <a href="/wiki/Archaea" title="Archaea">Archaea</a>, <a href="/wiki/Eukaryota" title="Eukaryota">Eukaryota</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Bacteria" title="Bacteria">Bacteria</a>, and indeed to several other articles, including <a href="/wiki/Algae" class="mw-redirect" title="Algae">Algae</a>, <a href="/wiki/Animalia" title="Animalia">Animalia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fungi" title="Fungi">Fungi</a>, <a href="/wiki/Plantae" title="Plantae">Plantae</a>, <a href="/wiki/Protozoa" title="Protozoa">Protozoa</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z-Formula:_Phylomap" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 30 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z-Formula:_Phylomap"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z-Formula:_Phylomap"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z"></span>As you see, the template is now working. It took less than a minute. I removed the <nowiki></nowiki> from your message. I went to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PhylomapA" class="extiw" title="en:Template:PhylomapA">en:Template:PhylomapA</a>, opened the edit window, copied the whole contents, came back here, typed Formula:PhylomapA in the search box, confirmed that I wanted to create it, pasted the whole contents into that new edit window, and saved. Whatever it is that programmers do, it can't be this!</dd> <dd>To be honest, this would not work with every template, and you might not know in advance whether it will or not, but it is so simple that it always well worth a try. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 30 Augusti 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-08-30T12:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 6 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-08-30T12:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Guido_tonelli" data-mw-thread-id="h-Guido_tonelli-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Guido_tonelli-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Guido_tonelli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Guido tonelli (non est haec pagina)">Guido tonelli</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Guido_tonelli-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z-Guido_tonelli"></span>Hodie legi quod Guido Tonelli est amator linguae Latinae et volui creare paginam de eo. Casu, cum crearem paginam, eum appelavi "tonelli" et non "Tonelli." Potest aliquis ei dare honorem debitum ei et mutare titulum ad "Tonelli?" Gratias. </p> <dl><dd>Feci. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z-Guido_tonelli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 1 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z-Guido_tonelli"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-01T08:20:00.000Z-Guido_tonelli"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sorghum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sorghum-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sorghum-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z"></span>Sorghum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sorghum-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Sorghum"></span>It looks as if Vicipaedia and more than a handful of other wikis have <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias_by_sample_of_articles">lost a point at Meta</a> because "<i><a href="/wiki/Sorghum" title="Sorghum">Sorghum</a></i>" has silently been deleted there in favor of "<i><a href="/wiki/Sorghum_bicolor" title="Sorghum bicolor">Sorghum bicolor</a>.</i>" Would an acceptable instant (albeit temporary) fix be to create a redirect page from the latter to the former? Or maybe someone would like to create an article for the latter? It's a shame to have had all 1000 of the required items but then to have lost one of them to behind-the-scenes changes! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Sorghum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 6 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Sorghum"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z-Sorghum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z"></span>The real fix, if the change was made silently (without discussion) at Meta, is to revert it there. Maybe someone has already done that? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-06T16:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z"></span>Apparently, the change affected so many wikis, and so unexpectedly, that somebody was almost certain to revert it, and the scores will be more accurate next month. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-09T12:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Usor:Amahoney" title="Usor:Amahoney"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z"></span>Amahoney</a> iam abrogavit, <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_articles_every_Wikipedia_should_have#Replace_Sorghum_with_Sorghum_bicolor">disputandum est</a>. — <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T12:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z"></span>Interim paginam de <i><a href="/wiki/Sorghum_bicolor" title="Sorghum bicolor">Sorgho bicolore</a></i> conscripsi. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-09-09T12:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T13:44:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z"></span>Macte! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T13:44:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 9 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T13:44:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-09T13:44:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-09T13:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="translatio_hebdomadalis_37" data-mw-thread-id="h-translatio_hebdomadalis_37-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-translatio_hebdomadalis_37-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z"></span>translatio hebdomadalis 37<span data-mw-comment-end="h-translatio_hebdomadalis_37-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Utilo-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z-translatio_hebdomadalis_37"></span>trick film: Iam est pagina <a href="/wiki/Pellicula_animata" class="mw-redirect" title="Pellicula animata">pellicula animata</a> mota ad <a href="/wiki/Ars_animandi" title="Ars animandi">artem animandi</a>.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Utilo" title="Usor:Utilo">Utilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Utilo" title="Disputatio Usoris:Utilo">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Utilo-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z-translatio_hebdomadalis_37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 11 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Utilo-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z-translatio_hebdomadalis_37"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Utilo-2020-09-11T11:50:00.000Z-translatio_hebdomadalis_37"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Census" data-mw-thread-id="h-Census-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Census-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span>Census<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Census-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z-Census"></span>Salve, quod est plurale huius verbi <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q39825">census</a> ?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usor:Bouzinac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usor:Bouzinac (non est haec pagina)">Bouzinac</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Bouzinac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Bouzinac (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z-Census" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 19 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z-Census"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z-Census"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span>In lingua Latina singulare est <i>censŭs</i>, plurale est <i>censūs</i>. Diacritica addidi ut distinguamus, sed ambae formae sine diacritico <i>census</i> scribi solent. NB -- de lingua Anglica non quaesivisti, ergo non respondi!</dd> <dd>In Latin the singular is <i>censŭs</i>, the plural is <i>censūs</i>. In normal writing they are both <i>census</i>: I added the accents to show that the sound is different. NB -- you didn't ask about English, so I haven't replied about English! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 19 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z-Bouzinac-2020-09-19T11:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z"></span>In English, <i>censi</i> is utterly, indisputably, irremediably wrong, and <i>censusses</i> is likely to be so. Similarly (and for the same reason), <i>afflati</i> & <i>afflatusses</i> for <i>afflatuses</i> and <i>hiati</i> & <i>hiatusses</i> for <i>hiatuses.</i> <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 19 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-19T12:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bouzinac-2020-09-28T19:34:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Studebat cum Latinam, non dedit diacriticam... Induci confusiones fieri inter Domus (domini) et census (census) potest ... Tibi gratias! --<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usor:Bouzinac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usor:Bouzinac (non est haec pagina)">Bouzinac</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Bouzinac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Bouzinac (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Bouzinac-2020-09-28T19:34:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 28 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bouzinac-2020-09-28T19:34:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bouzinac-2020-09-28T19:34:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sleeping_sickness_._._." data-mw-thread-id="h-Sleeping_sickness_._._.-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sleeping_sickness_._._.-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z"></span>Sleeping sickness . . .<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sleeping_sickness_._._.-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z-Sleeping_sickness_._._."></span>. . . appears to have struck the magistrates. When helpful advice is rejected over & over (under the stated response that it's been accepted), the time to wake up is at hand. See "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Ali_Sarhan_Shamran&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Ali Sarhan Shamran (non est haec pagina)">Ali Sarhan Shamran</a>," not only here, but in <a class="external text" href="https://ki.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sarhan_Shamran">the Gikuyu-language wiki</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z-Sleeping_sickness_._._." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 23 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z-Sleeping_sickness_._._."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z-Sleeping_sickness_._._."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z"></span>Paginam Latinitate omnino carentem delevi. Quod ad paginam nostrarum collegarum Gikuyensium attinet, me paenitet nihil facere posse. (You are certainly coming up with interesting variations on the "dormiebatis" theme!) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 23 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-09-23T17:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z"></span>I'm pickling peppers this morning, but I thought I'd take a moment to protect the pagename so that only magistrati can re-create it: this was a very persistent attack. Nice to know that Latin is so important to them. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 24 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z-Lesgles-2020-09-23T20:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-24T10:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z"></span>And Gikuyu! <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-24T10:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 24 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-24T10:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-24T10:11:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-09-24T08:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_design?" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_design?-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z"><span id="New_design.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_design?-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z"></span>New design?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_design?-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/tech/wikipedia-redesign-trnd/index.html?utm_term=1601000885824d6ef68665437&utm_source=Reliable+Sources+-+Sept+24%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=246351_1601000885825&bt_ee=vfG9XRfMzba5Ry%2BXt3%2FPG%2FXol3SbVzHJk05MqyNpMYI%3D&bt_ts=1601000885825"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z-New_design?"></span>"Wikipedia due to get its first substantial website redesign in a decade.</a> Let's hope they're not going to make it harder to get to the English wiki from here! (And to other wikis, for that matter!) In contrast, to get to Vicipaedia from lots of <i>other</i> languages requires extensive scrolling. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z-New_design?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 25 Septembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z-New_design?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-09-25T12:45:00.000Z-New_design?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Glaring_omission?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Glaring_omission?-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z"><span id="Glaring_omission.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Glaring_omission?-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z"></span>Glaring omission?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Glaring_omission?-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z-Glaring_omission?"></span>Vicipaedia seems not to have an article on Prince Albert (<a href="/wiki/Albertus_de_Gota" title="Albertus de Gota">Albertus de Gota</a>?). Wouldn't somebody like to write one? <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z-Glaring_omission?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 1 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z-Glaring_omission?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z-Glaring_omission?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-20T12:13:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z"></span>Id feci. Commodum mihi maximum quod <a href="/wiki/Gota" title="Gota">Gota</a> a domicilio meo haud procul distat. Ecce: ut olim Albertus ipse nunc etiam commentatio Vicipaediana e Germania venit... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Giorno2" title="Usor:Giorno2">Giorno2</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Giorno2" title="Disputatio Usoris:Giorno2">disputatio)</a> <dl><dd>Macte, amice! :) <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-20T12:13:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 20 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-20T12:13:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-20T12:13:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T13:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Indices_insularum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indices_insularum-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indices_insularum-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Indices insularum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indices_insularum-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z-Indices_insularum"></span>If anybody wants to make lists of islands, <i>insularium</i> has apparently been attested: J. R. Forster, "Insularium Maris Pacifici or a Catalogue of the Isles in the South-Sea with the Names of the Natives," in Forster, <i>Vocabularies of the Language spoken in the Isles of the South-Sea & and of the various Dialects which have an Affinity to it; with some Observations for the better Understanding of them</i> (1774), Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, MS Orient Oct. 62. <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z-Indices_insularum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 1 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z-Indices_insularum"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z-Indices_insularum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-01T18:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Brevitatem linguae nostrae semper laudo! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-01T18:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 1 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-01T18:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-01T18:50:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-02T10:10:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Et ¨<a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Insularium_Illustratum">Insularium illustratum</a>¨ Henrici Martelli memorari potest. Non index insularum vicipaedianus, ut mihi videtur, sic nominandus est, sed potius de insulariis ut de genere librorum pagina componi potest. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-02T10:10:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 2 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-02T10:10:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-02T10:10:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-10-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam" data-mw-thread-id="h-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z"></span>Histrio: Nexus ad paginam discretivam<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ben4Wiki-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam"></span>Nonnullae paginae de histrionibus nexum ad paginam discretivam (<a href="/wiki/Actor" class="mw-disambig" title="Actor">actor</a>) pro nexo ad paginam propriam (<a href="/wiki/Histrio" title="Histrio">histrio</a>) habent. Estne (ro)botum Vicipaediae, quod id corrigere potest? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usor:Ben4Wiki&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usor:Ben4Wiki (non est haec pagina)">Ben4Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Ben4Wiki" title="Disputatio Usoris:Ben4Wiki">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Ben4Wiki-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 8 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ben4Wiki-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ben4Wiki-2020-10-08T12:43:00.000Z-Histrio:_Nexus_ad_paginam_discretivam"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Writing_Guide" data-mw-thread-id="h-Writing_Guide-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Writing_Guide-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z"></span>Writing Guide<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Writing_Guide-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z-Writing_Guide"></span>In english wikipedia there is a clear way to write. There are writing guides and whatnot, and everything is in Modern, Formal, and Standardized English. How is this to be replacated in Vicipeadia? Is it already a thing? What version of latin is to be spoken? </p><p><a href="/wiki/Usor:Emicho%27s_Avenger" title="Usor:Emicho's Avenger">Emicho's Avenger</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Emicho%27s_Avenger" title="Disputatio Usoris:Emicho's Avenger">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z-Writing_Guide" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 10 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z-Writing_Guide"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z-Writing_Guide"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lesgles-2020-10-11T02:20:00.000Z-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Vicipaedia:Praefatio" title="Vicipaedia:Praefatio">Vicipaedia:Praefatio</a>, or the links I posted on your talk page. Basically, we tend to follow the rules of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Latin" class="extiw" title="en:Classical Latin">classical Latin</a>, the language of Caesar, Cicero, Virgil, and others. But we also accept medieval and modern vocabulary, especially for concepts that were unfamiliar to the ancient Romans. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Lesgles" title="Usor:Lesgles">Lesgles</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Lesgles" title="Disputatio Usoris:Lesgles">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Lesgles-2020-10-11T02:20:00.000Z-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 11 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lesgles-2020-10-11T02:20:00.000Z-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lesgles-2020-10-11T02:20:00.000Z-Emicho's_Avenger-2020-10-10T18:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Barbara_Eder" data-mw-thread-id="h-Barbara_Eder"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Barbara_Eder"></span>Barbara Eder<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Barbara_Eder"></span></h2></div> <p>Barbara Eder (nata est Ferreo Castro, Theodisce: Eisenstadt, Hungarice Kismarton, anno 1976) moderatrix cinematographica et pellicularum fabularum scriptrix Austriaca.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Anno 2019 ut moderatrix cinematographica cum Stephano St.Leger moderata est confectionem seriei pellicularum, cuius titulus est Barbari et in lucem edita erit die 23 octobris 2020. <sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ada-directors.com/files/EDER_CV.pdf">https://www.ada-directors.com/files/EDER_CV.pdf</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.gamespot.com/articles/netflixs-barbarians-trailer-is-packed-with-swords-battles-and-blood/1100-6483186/">https://www.gamespot.com/articles/netflixs-barbarians-trailer-is-packed-with-swords-battles-and-blood/1100-6483186/</a></span> </li> </ol></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z"><span id="Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Do we have a medal for substantial 10000-article-list contributions?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?"></span>We now have over 40 points in the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias_by_expanded_sample_of_articles" class="extiw" title="meta:List of Wikipedias by expanded sample of articles">List of Wikipedias by expanded sample of articles</a> and thus get the highest colour code they have (dark orange). And I think we largely owe it to Iacobus' relentless efforts! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 17 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Non unam, iam multas medalias Iacobus labore myriadis implendae meruit. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 17 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-17T18:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z"></span>According to the list, we are missing the articles "Torah" and "Catholicism" - but that's not true: <a href="/wiki/Torah" class="mw-redirect" title="Torah">Torah</a> ist redirected to <a href="/wiki/Pentateuchus" class="mw-redirect" title="Pentateuchus">Pentateuchus</a>, <a href="/wiki/Catholicismus" title="Catholicismus">Catholicismus</a> to <a href="/wiki/Ecclesia_Catholica_Romana" title="Ecclesia Catholica Romana">Ecclesia Catholica Romana</a>. Could someone with more technical knowledge than me solve the problem? - I'll add a similar problem: <a href="/wiki/David_Friedl%C3%A4nder" title="David Friedländer">David Friedländer</a> and <a href="/wiki/Biblia_Hebraica_Stuttgartensia" title="Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia">Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia</a> do not show the other languages even though I entered the Latin page in Wikidata.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Utilo" title="Usor:Utilo">Utilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Utilo" title="Disputatio Usoris:Utilo">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 18 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-17T19:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z"></span>Bibliorum Stuttgartensium et Fridlaender nexus correxi (Vicidata interdum quodam modo dormiunt), de catholicismo ad usum myriadis nova pagina componenda est, nam ecclesia Romana et ipsa in indice eius est. Pentateuchus ad Torah moveri potest (ut initium sit: "<b>Torah</b>, vel <b>Pentateuchus</b>...") <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 18 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T09:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z"></span>Gratias tibi ago! Sunt et aliae paginae, quae in indice desunt: Arabian Sea - <a href="/wiki/Mare_Arabicum" title="Mare Arabicum">Mare Arabicum</a>, Bay of Bengal - <a href="/wiki/Sinus_Bengaliensis" class="mw-redirect" title="Sinus Bengaliensis">Sinus Bengaliensis</a>, Carthage - <a href="/wiki/Carthago" title="Carthago">Carthago</a>, Heracles - <a href="/wiki/Hercules" title="Hercules">Hercules</a>.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Utilo" title="Usor:Utilo">Utilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Utilo" title="Disputatio Usoris:Utilo">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 18 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T10:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Mare_Arabicum" title="Mare Arabicum"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-18T10:33:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z"></span>Mare Arabicum</a> et <a href="/wiki/Sinus_Bengaliensis" class="mw-redirect" title="Sinus Bengaliensis">Sinus Bengaliensis</a> Iacobus ipse recenter scripsit, sed ille se a Vicidatis abstinet. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-18T10:33:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 18 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-18T10:33:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-18T10:33:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Hercules" title="Hercules"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T11:43:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z"></span>Hercules</a>, si myriadem oboediamus, in duas paginas, de Heracle Graeco e de Hercule Romano, dividendus sit. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T11:43:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 18 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T11:43:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-18T11:43:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-10-18T10:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Catholicismus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Catholicismus-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Catholicismus-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z"></span>Catholicismus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Catholicismus-Do_we_have_a_medal_for_substantial_10000-article-list_contributions?-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z-Catholicismus"></span>Thanks to Utilo, we now have a page for <a href="/wiki/Catholicismus" title="Catholicismus">Catholicismus</a> linked to the correct Wikidata item (<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1841" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Q1841">Q1841</a>). Just to mention, though, that in the English Wikipedia <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism" class="extiw" title="en:Catholicism">that page</a> still is a redirect to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church" class="extiw" title="en:Catholic Church">en:Catholic Church</a>. They do have a page <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicity" class="extiw" title="en:Catholicity">en:Catholicity</a> (<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q311547" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Q311547">Wikidata item Q311547</a>), however, which would probably be an adequate match... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z-Catholicismus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 19 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z-Catholicismus"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z-Catholicismus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z"></span>Sometimes it turns out that two Wikidata items need to be merged: which will only work if there is no overlap (no language has an article in both lists). If that isn't the answer, then, so far as I can see, it doesn't matter to us, assuming our pages are correctly linked across Wikidata, that there isn't an English page among the others. In the slightly recondite but tasty area I'm working on (major foods and historic dishes worldwide) it fairly often happens. A surprising example is the <a href="/wiki/Aristaeopsis_edwardsiana" title="Aristaeopsis edwardsiana">red prawn</a> currently being fought over in the Mediterranean. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:42, 22 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:42:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Who can hide an edit in the page history?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tessera_identitatis&curid=284245&diff=3569789&oldid=3527768"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?"></span>This change</a> was an abusive edit evidently just made to have the address of the dentist in question on the internet. And in spite of the revert, it's of course still there (in the page history). But if we don't want to let people get away with this kind of thing, it shouldn't. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 19 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z-Who_can_hide_an_edit_in_the_page_history?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-10-19T19:29:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span>You meant the edit summary? I have now hidden the edit summary. Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-10-19T19:29:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 19 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-10-19T19:29:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-10-19T19:29:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Since you are a magistratus yourself, you can do this as well: Go to the page history, tick the checkbox next to the revision you need to hide, click on "Redactiones selectas vel ostendi vel celari iubere" and then select whether you need to hide the revision content and/or the edit summary and/or the username/IP of the selected revision. Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 19 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z-Sigur-2020-10-19T18:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:44:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z"></span>Oh. OK. Thanks. I gave up, when the page told me that the edit would stay in the history... <a href="/wiki/Usor:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Usor:Sigur">Sigur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Sigur" class="mw-redirect" title="Disputatio Usoris:Sigur">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:44:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 19 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:44:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigur-2020-10-19T19:44:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-19T19:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z"><span id=".22Scin_tu.3F.22_Cui_adhuc_bono.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z"></span>"Scin tu?" Cui adhuc bono?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?"></span>Haec pars nostrae Paginae Primae me iamdiu taedio afficit. Morta enim est et nemo eam reanimabit. Ego ergo sepulturam eius "in aller Stille" propono. Partes nuper additae spatium liberum complebunt. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Bis-Taurinus" title="Usor:Bis-Taurinus">Bis-Taurinus</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Bis-Taurinus" title="Disputatio Usoris:Bis-Taurinus">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 19 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z-"Scin_tu?"_Cui_adhuc_bono?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z"></span>Mutationes recentes in pagina prima automatice non monstrantur, ut mihi videtur, ne recensiones vandalicae in ea appareant. Illud "scin' tu" mihi in omnibus Vicipaediis minime placet; habet Vicipaedia Latina "paginam diei" curis Andreae quotidianis, "scin' tu" et omnino omitti potest. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 20 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z-Bis-Taurinus-2020-10-19T22:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z"></span>Assentior ambobus. Nisi alius quis aut disputet aut rubricam alere incipiat, removere possum.</dd> <dd>Mutationes paginae primae ego statim video: tu non, mi Demetri? Si ulla pagina "haereat", mutationem novam inermem in eandem paginam fac (e.g. additionem spatii vacui) et divulga. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 22 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-20T08:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z"></span>Partem "scin tu" e pagina prima removi. --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 22 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-10-22T08:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-22T22:15:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z"></span>Mihi sic melius esse videtur. Et pro <i>victis</i> e vestigio correctis gratias agimus (multi contra illos pugnare temptabant). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-22T22:15:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 22 Octobris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-22T22:15:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-10-22T22:15:00.000Z-UV-2020-10-22T20:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cross_site_Latin_community?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cross_site_Latin_community?-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z"><span id="Cross_site_Latin_community.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cross_site_Latin_community?-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z"></span>Cross site Latin community?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cross_site_Latin_community?-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z-Cross_site_Latin_community?"></span>Would there be any interest in creating a .la language community of some kind? It could be a chat forum and web pages somewhere for instance, and aim for some kind of gathering online at some point? This could bring together the different Wikimedia Latin projects and users. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z-Cross_site_Latin_community?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:56, 3 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z-Cross_site_Latin_community?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z-Cross_site_Latin_community?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z"></span>I discussed a similar idea with <a href="/wiki/Usor:Ilario" title="Usor:Ilario">Usor:Ilario</a> at ItWikiCon in Como in 2018. Indeed, I see now that I expressed interest in a similar idea proposed by him at Meta as far back as 2013 (see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Latina" class="extiw" title="meta:Wikimedia Latina">meta:Wikimedia Latina</a>). In 2019 Ilario made a second proposal -- that is something I have only discovered today (see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Latin_language_User_Group" class="extiw" title="meta:Latin language User Group">meta:Latin language User Group</a>). Meanwhile a different proposal got a little bit further (see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiClassics_User_Group" class="extiw" title="meta:WikiClassics User Group">meta:WikiClassics User Group</a>) but I know nothing of its activities. If you want to go further on this, and if Ilario would join, I would too. I think his enthusiasm and abilities would be crucial. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 6 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z-JimKillock-2020-11-03T08:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-11-08T09:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z"></span>Thank you, Andrew. @<a href="/wiki/Usor:Ilario" title="Usor:Ilario">Ilario</a>:, I have signed up to your group, if you are intersted in getting it going I would be very happy to help also. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-11-08T09:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 8 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-11-08T09:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-11-08T09:31:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-06T10:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Vicilibri Latin textbooks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimKillock-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks"></span>You may be familiar with the Wikibooks project. There are a couple of Latin related texts there. There is also a moribund Latin Wikibooks project. I am hoping to port over some of the page layout tools to latin Wikibooks to make it better for ebook production; for this it seems I will need Administrator status. Details are here: <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/la:Vicilibri:Porta_communis#Administrator_request" class="extiw" title="wikibooks:la:Vicilibri:Porta communis">wikibooks:la:Vicilibri:Porta_communis#Administrator_request</a> - please do comment / volunteer your help if you feel so inclined. <a href="/wiki/Usor:JimKillock" title="Usor:JimKillock">JimKillock</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:JimKillock" title="Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-JimKillock-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 4 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimKillock-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimKillock-2020-11-04T18:04:00.000Z-Vicilibri_Latin_textbooks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z"></span>Assistance with a line from Tacitus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus"></span>Can someone please help with this bizarre sentence from Tacitus. <i>conclamant patres corpus ad rogum umeris senatorum ferendum. </i> Loeb translation has this: <i>The senate clamoured for the body to be carried to the pyre on the shoulders of the fathers.</i> 258, Histories Books 4-5. </p><p>How can it be that <i>senatorum</i>(of the senators) is the subject of the sentence when it is in the genitive plural? It reads as though it is the fathers <i>patres</i> that are clamouring. </p><p>The subject seems to be omitted, because <i>patres</i> in the Loeb translation is not the subject. Rather, the body is to be carried on the shoulders of the fathers. But should it not be written <i>umeris patrum</i>? I reasoned that if <i>patres</i> is in the accusative it must be a redacted form of “super patres”. Ergo, there is no subject except the one contained in the verb, and since the Loeb says that it is the <i>senatorum</i> that are clamouring, could it be that there is some poetic usage here that is beyond me? So should I read it as <i>conclamant senatorum</i>. “[they] of the senators clamoured”, with the omitted subject ‘they’ contained in <i>conclamant</i>? </p><p>Is this rough translation of mine correct or at least close? They of the senators (senatorum) clamoured (conclamant) that the body was to be carried to the pyre (corpus ferendum ad rogum) on the shoulders (umeris) of the fathers ( [super] patres). </p><p>Words enclosed by [] stand for the omitted ones in the original. -- <a href="/wiki/Usor:Rex_tremendae_majestatis" title="Usor:Rex tremendae majestatis">Rex tremendae majestatis</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Rex_tremendae_majestatis" title="Disputatio Usoris:Rex tremendae majestatis">disputatio</a>) </p> <dl><dd>"Patres" (scil. patres conscripti) = the senate; "senatorum" = of the fathers. Si sine versione legeris, facilius intelliges. <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 8 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-11-08T07:02:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus"></span>Gratias tibi ago. Nunc sententiam recte intellego. Scientia historiae Romanae mea non est apta verbis legendis more Romano. -- <a href="/wiki/Usor:Rex_tremendae_majestatis" title="Usor:Rex tremendae majestatis">Rex tremendae majestatis</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Rex_tremendae_majestatis" title="Disputatio Usoris:Rex tremendae majestatis">disputatio</a>) </p> <dl><dd>Demetrius is right, of course. It is a strange semantic detail that "patres" and "senator[es]" represent the same set of persons, yet the use of "se" or "suorum" would not have conveyed the exact meaning. The "patres" (senators), as individuals, shout that the body must be carried not "on our shoulders" (we who are shouting), but "on the shoulders of senators", ex officio (who just happen to be ourselves who are shouting). It could be done that way in other languages too. "The MPs demanded that the House must take responsibility" (the MPs are the House, but they did not demand "we must take responsibility"). <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 24 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Assistance_with_a_line_from_Tacitus"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z"></span>FYI: In traditional registers over here in the New World, remnants of the subjunctive survive, so <i>must</i> wouldn't intrude, and we'd have merely "The MPs demanded that the House take responsibility." <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 24 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T14:51:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that would be better English over here as well! Thanks, Iacobe <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T14:51:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 24 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T14:51:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T14:51:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-11-24T14:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z"></span>The translator did not quite think through the nuances, in my view: switching "senators" and "fathers", although they are synonyms, confuses things! <a href="/wiki/Usor:Andrew_Dalby" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew Dalby</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Andrew_Dalby" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 24 Novembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z-Andrew_Dalby-2020-11-24T13:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recalcitrant_formula?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recalcitrant_formula?-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z"><span id="Recalcitrant_formula.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recalcitrant_formula?-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z"></span>Recalcitrant formula?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recalcitrant_formula?-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z-Recalcitrant_formula?"></span>Why isn't the formula "{{Titulus italicus}}" working in the article "<a href="/wiki/The_Many_Adventures_of_Winnie_the_Pooh_(pellicula_1977)" class="mw-redirect" title="The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (pellicula 1977)">The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (pellicula 1977)</a>"? <a href="/wiki/Usor:IacobusAmor" title="Usor:IacobusAmor">IacobusAmor</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:IacobusAmor" title="Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z-Recalcitrant_formula?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 3 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z-Recalcitrant_formula?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z-Recalcitrant_formula?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UV-2020-12-03T22:12:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z"></span>Because {{<a href="/wiki/Formula:Titulus_italicus" title="Formula:Titulus italicus">Titulus italicus</a>}} currently cannot handle page titles that are longer than 50 characters. I have replaced this template with its manual equivalent - now the page title is displayed as it should! Greetings, --<a href="/wiki/Usor:UV" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:UV" title="Disputatio Usoris:UV">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-UV-2020-12-03T22:12:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 3 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UV-2020-12-03T22:12:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UV-2020-12-03T22:12:00.000Z-IacobusAmor-2020-12-03T13:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Agericus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Agericus-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Agericus-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Agericus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Agericus-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z-Agericus"></span>hallo zusammen, </p><p>leider reichen meine Lateinkenntnisse nicht aus, um auf Latein zu schreiben. Ich habe ein paar Fragen. </p><p>Versuche mich gerade an einer kleinen Bio für die dt. Wikipedia zu <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airy_de_Verdun" class="extiw" title="fr:Airy de Verdun">fr:Airy de Verdun</a>. </p><p>Ich versuche ein paar Zeilen von hier zu verstehen: <a class="external free" href="https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Carmina_(Venantius_Fortunatus)/III">https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Carmina_(Venantius_Fortunatus)/III</a> </p><p>Und zwar nur(!) aus dem Kapitel- XXIII, wo es um Agericus geht. </p><p>Mit den ersten Zeilen komme ich schon nicht klar: De domno Agerico episcopo de Vereduno Vrbs Vereduna, brevi quamvis claudaris in orbe, pontificis meritis amplificata places: maior in angusto praefulget gratia gyro, Agerice, tuus quam magis auxit honor. </p><p>Das zu übersetzen ist sicherlich nicht trivial........mir geht es auch nur ganz, ganz grob(!) inhaltlich um die Passagen in dem Abschnitt, die über Agericus gehen. (wirklich nur ganz grob). Möchte halt nur kurz erwähnen, was Venantius Fortunatus über Agericus berichtet. </p><p>Wenn ich mich nicht irre, erwähnt er ihn lobend und <i>erkennt in ihm alle Tugenden eines heiligen Bischofs</i>. (?) Kann das jemand bestätigen oder dem widersprechen... :) </p><p>liebe grüße + danke + mfg <a href="/wiki/Usor:Qwertzu111111" title="Usor:Qwertzu111111">Qwertzu111111</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Qwertzu111111&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Qwertzu111111 (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z-Agericus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 9 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z-Agericus"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z-Agericus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span>In diesen vier Zeilen scheint mir Venantius eher zu sagen, dass der Ruhm und die Aktivität Ageriсus' den Ruf der kleinen Stadt verbessern. (Hier kann man jedoch nur schmeichelhafte Rhetorik hören.) <a href="/wiki/Usor:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Usor:Demetrius Talpa">Demetrius Talpa</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Demetrius_Talpa" title="Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 10 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-09T18:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z"></span>Versuch einer Übersetzung: Über den Herrn Bischof Agericus von Verdun: Stadt Verdun, magst du auch unbedeutend sein (wörtl.: "in einem kurzen Kreis / Umkreis eingeschlossen"), findest du (doch) Gefallen, erhöht durch die Verdienste des Bischofs: größer erstrahlt dein Ruf in engen Grenzen (wörtl.: "in einem engen Kreis"), Agericus, den deine Ehre vermehrt hat.--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Utilo" title="Usor:Utilo">Utilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Utilo" title="Disputatio Usoris:Utilo">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 10 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z-Demetrius_Talpa-2020-12-10T00:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:32:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z"></span>vielen lieben Dank für Eure Rückmeldungen und Eure große Hilfe. Der Artikel zu Agericus wird schon. liebe grüße + danke + mfg <a href="/wiki/Usor:Qwertzu111111" title="Usor:Qwertzu111111">Qwertzu111111</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Qwertzu111111&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Qwertzu111111 (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:32:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 10 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:32:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:32:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z"></span>... noch eine Frage.... im selben Abschnitt etwas tiefer steht: "Agerice sacer, cuius sermone colente ecclesiae segetes fertilitate placent,..".... "Agerice sacer" ist Vokativ, oder? <a href="/wiki/Usor:Qwertzu111111" title="Usor:Qwertzu111111">Qwertzu111111</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Qwertzu111111&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Qwertzu111111 (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 10 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z-Utilo-2020-12-10T10:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Utilo-2020-12-10T12:35:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z"></span>Da ist so, LG--<a href="/wiki/Usor:Utilo" title="Usor:Utilo">Utilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Disputatio_Usoris:Utilo" title="Disputatio Usoris:Utilo">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Utilo-2020-12-10T12:35:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 10 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Utilo-2020-12-10T12:35:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Utilo-2020-12-10T12:35:00.000Z-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T11:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T16:22:00.000Z-Agericus"></span>so, habe fertig: <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agericus_von_Verdun" class="extiw" title="de:Agericus von Verdun">de:Agericus von Verdun</a> alles Liebe und Gute <a href="/wiki/Usor:Qwertzu111111" title="Usor:Qwertzu111111">Qwertzu111111</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Disputatio_Usoris:Qwertzu111111&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Disputatio Usoris:Qwertzu111111 (non est haec pagina)">disputatio</a>) <a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30#c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T16:22:00.000Z-Agericus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 10 Decembris 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T16:22:00.000Z-Agericus"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwertzu111111-2020-12-10T16:22:00.000Z-Agericus"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Receptum de "<a dir="ltr" href="https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30&oldid=3830015">https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium_30&oldid=3830015</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Specialis:Categoriae" title="Specialis:Categoriae">Categoriae</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Categoria:Antiquae_disputationes" title="Categoria:Antiquae disputationes">Antiquae disputationes</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Categoria:Tabernae_acta_priora" title="Categoria:Tabernae acta priora">Tabernae acta priora</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Novissima mutatio die 4 Maii 2024 hora 17:48 facta.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Nonobstantibus ceteris condicionibus hunc textum tractare licet secundum <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/">"Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License"</a>. 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