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li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:last-child::after{content:")";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol{counter-reset:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li{counter-increment:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li::before{content:" "counter(listitem)"\a0 "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li ol>li:first-child::before{content:" ("counter(listitem)"\a0 "}</style><div class="hlist"><ul><li><b>2006</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2006">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2006">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2006">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2006">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2006">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2006">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2006">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2006">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2006">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2006" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2006">12</a></li><li><b>2007</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2007">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2007">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2007">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2007">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2007">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2007">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2007">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2007">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2007">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2007">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2007">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2007" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2007">12</a></li><li><b>2008</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2008">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2008">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2008">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2008">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2008">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2008">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2008">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2008">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2008">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2008">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2008">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2008" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2008">12</a></li><li><b>2009</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2009">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2009">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2009">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2009">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2009">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2009">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2009">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2009">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2009">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2009">10</a></li><li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2009" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2009">12</a></li><li><b>2010</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2010">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2010">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2010">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2010">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2010">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2010">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2010">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2010">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2010">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2010">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2010">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2010" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2010">12</a></li><li><b>2011</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2011">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2011">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2011">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2011">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2011">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2011">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2011">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2011">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2011">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2011">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2011">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2011" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2011">12</a></li><li><b>2012</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2012">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2012">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2012">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2012">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2012">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2012">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2012">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2012">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2012">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2012">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2012">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2012" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2012">12</a></li><li><b>2013</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2013">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2013">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2013">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2013">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2013">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2013">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2013">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2013">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2013">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2013">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2013">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2013" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2013">12</a></li><li><b>2014</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2014">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2014">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2014">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2014">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2014">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2014">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2014">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2014">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2014">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2014">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2014">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2014" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2014">12</a></li><li><b>2015</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2015">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2015">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2015">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2015">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2015">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2015">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2015">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2015">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2015">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2015">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2015">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2015" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2015">12</a></li><li><b>2016</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2016">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2016">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2016">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2016">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2016">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2016">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2016">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2016">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2016">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2016">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2016">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2016" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2016">12</a></li><li><b>2017</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2017">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2017">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2017">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2017">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2017">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2017">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2017">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2017">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2017">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2017">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2017">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2017" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2017">12</a></li><li><b>2018</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2018">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2018">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2018">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2018">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2018">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2018">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2018">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2018">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2018">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2018">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2018">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2018" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2018">12</a></li><li><b>2019</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2019">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2019">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2019">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2019">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2019">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2019">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2019">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2019">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2019">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2019">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2019">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2019" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2019">12</a></li><li><b>2020</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2020">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2020">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2020">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2020">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2020">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2020">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2020">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2020">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2020">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2020">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2020">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2020" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2020">12</a></li><li><b>2021</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2021">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2021">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2021">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2021">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2021">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2021">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2021">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2021">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2021">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2021">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2021">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2021" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2021">12</a></li><li><b>2022</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2022">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2022">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2022">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2022">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2022">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2022">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2022">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2022">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2022">9</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/October_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/October 2022">10</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/November 2022">11</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/December_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2022">12</a></li><li><b>2023</b></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/January_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/January 2023">1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/February_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/February 2023">2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/March_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2023">3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/April_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2023">4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/May_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/May 2023">5</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/June_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2023">6</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/July_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/July 2023">7</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/August_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/August 2023">8</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/September_2023" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/September 2023">9</a></li></ul></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%; background-color:#FBE1BC;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1214851843"><div class="hidden-begin mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""><div class="hidden-title skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="">Task force talk/archives</div><div class="hidden-content mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist"><ul><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Japanese_baseball_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Japanese baseball task force">Baseball</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Japanese_baseball_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Japanese baseball task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Bibliography (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Bibliography_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Bibliography task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Japanese_cinema_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Japanese cinema task force">Cinema</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Japanese_cinema_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Japanese cinema task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation/CJKV_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force">CJKV</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation/CJKV_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Districts_and_municipalities" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Districts and municipalities">Districts and municipalities</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Districts_and_municipalities_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Districts and municipalities task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Gaijin tarento (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Gaijin_tarento_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Gaijin tarento task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> Military history (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Japanese_military_history_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Japanese_military_history_task_force/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Japanese_military_history_task_force/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force/Archive 3">3</a>)</li><li>Music (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Music_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Music task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Mythology (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_2" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_3" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 3">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Mythology_task_force/Archive_4" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Mythology task force/Archive 4">4</a>)</li><li>Owarai (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Owarai_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Owarai task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Politics (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Politics_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Politics task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Prefectures (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Prefectures_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Prefectures task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Royalty & nobility (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Royalty_and_nobility_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Royalty and nobility task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Science & technology (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Science_and_technology_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Science and technology task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li>Shinto (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Shinto_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Shinto task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Tokyo_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Tokyo task force">Tokyo</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Tokyo_task_force/Archive_1" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Tokyo task force/Archive 1">1</a>)</li><li><b>↔</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Intertranswiki/Japanese" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Japanese">Transwiki</a></li></ul></div><br/><small><b>↔</b> = joint task force</small> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%; background-color:#FBE1BC;"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1214851843"><div class="hidden-begin mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style=""><div class="hidden-title skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="">Old notice board</div><div class="hidden-content mw-collapsible-content" style=""> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/2004" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/2004">All of 2004</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Jan-Mar" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Jan-Mar">Jan–Mar 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Apr-Jun" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Apr-Jun">Apr–Jun 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Oct05" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Oct05">Jul–Oct 2005</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Japan-related_topics_notice_board/Dec05" title="Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Dec05">Nov–Dec 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font-size:75%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Project_talk" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Project talk">V</a>·<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Project_talk" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Project talk">T</a>·<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Project_talk&action=edit">E</a></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z"><span id="Development_of_.7B.7BJapanese_track_list.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Development of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Japanese_track_list&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Japanese track list (page does not exist)">Japanese track list</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}"></span>Hi all. We are currently discussing the possible development of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Japanese_track_list&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Japanese track list (page does not exist)">Japanese track list</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga#.7B.7BTracklist.7D.7D" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#{{Tracklist}}</a>. Your input would be appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:G.A.S" title="User:G.A.S"><span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:1.4em;">G.A.S</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:G.A.S" title="User talk:G.A.S"><sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z-Development_of_{{Japanese_track_list}}"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jinnai-2009-11-06T19:43:00.000Z-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z"></span>A working final version is up for input.<a href="/wiki/User:Jinnai" title="User:Jinnai"><span style="color:black;">陣</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jinnai" title="User talk:Jinnai"><span style="color:darkred;">内</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jinnai" title="Special:Contributions/Jinnai"><sub><span style="color:darkgreen;">Jinnai</span></sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Jinnai-2009-11-06T19:43:00.000Z-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jinnai-2009-11-06T19:43:00.000Z-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jinnai-2009-11-06T19:43:00.000Z-G.A.S-2009-10-02T05:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yet_another_translation_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yet_another_translation_request-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yet_another_translation_request-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Yet another translation request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yet_another_translation_request-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z-Yet_another_translation_request"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg/220px-Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="146" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg/330px-Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg/440px-Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4288" data-file-height="2848"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Could someone please translate the text on the sign at the top of <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Seattle Nihon Go Gakko interior 12.jpg">Commons:File:Seattle Nihon Go Gakko interior 12.jpg</a>? Please feel free either to edit the description directly or to use the "add a note" feature. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z-Yet_another_translation_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z-Yet_another_translation_request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z-Yet_another_translation_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span>It's a Chinese phrase. Probably by <a href="/wiki/Han_Yu" title="Han Yu">Han Yu</a>. 一視同仁 means " treat everybody equally". But I cannot understand the rest. It might be better to ask at WikiProject China. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z"></span>Really? Because it is in the Japanese cultural center. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T19:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:20:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z"></span>I think so. 一視同仁 is a <a href="/wiki/Yojijyukugo" class="mw-redirect" title="Yojijyukugo">yojijyukugo</a> and dictionaries say the origin was from the book '原人' by Han Yu. The word 'treat' could be exchangeable for 'love'. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:20:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a>　<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:20:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:20:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T19:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:12:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span>If you look at the large version of the upload, you can see the text on the accompanying sign. It translates the calligraphy as "Strive for brotherhood among all mankind". <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:12:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:12:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:12:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span>By the way, the calligrapher is <a href="/wiki/Ito_Hirobumi" class="mw-redirect" title="Ito Hirobumi">Ito Hirobumi</a>. <s>I guess the next characters are 天道, but I can't be certain. After that may be an old Japanese word for the Philippines. So you've got me. Considering the artist, I could make something up--say, that this was sent to the US to congratulate them after the <a href="/wiki/Spanish-American_War" class="mw-redirect" title="Spanish-American War">Spanish-American War</a>. But don't quote me on that. It would be nice to be right, but who knows.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a></small> 03:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Guessing it's actually 天涯比隣, not 天道比とう. That's what happens when you make up a just-so story. But Ito is still the calligrapher. <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-11-02T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z"></span>There is a description in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seattle_Nihon_Go_Gakko_interior_12.jpg">File:Seattle Nihon Go Gakko interior 12.jpg</a>, "The sign reads "一視同仁，天涯比隣", or "Treat all people equally, close in spirit though far away"". See Summary section. ―― <a href="/wiki/User:Phoenix7777" title="User:Phoenix7777">Phoenix7777</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phoenix7777" title="User talk:Phoenix7777">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z-Dekimasu-2009-11-05T03:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-05T05:16:00.000Z-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel#Additional_information" title="User talk:Jmabel">my post</a> on the OP's talk page too. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-05T05:16:00.000Z-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-05T05:16:00.000Z-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-05T05:16:00.000Z-Phoenix7777-2009-11-05T05:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation_help-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation_help-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z"></span>Translation help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation_help-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z-Translation_help"></span>What does "茶室二畳半台目" mean? Is it a 2.5 mat tea room with raised platform or something completely different? I found the expression in connection with the Joan teahouse (<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A6%82%E5%BA%B5" class="extiw" title="ja:如庵">Japanese wikipedia article</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z-Translation_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z-Translation_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z-Translation_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z"></span>台目 is a shortened form of 台目畳/daime-datami. It's a 3/4 length tatami mat used in a teahouse. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T19:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z"></span>I see, so 二畳半台目 is a 2 + 3/4 mat room? What is the meaning of "半" here? <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z"></span>It's a 2.5 + 3/4 mat room. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-02T20:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T21:14:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-02T21:14:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T21:14:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-02T21:14:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_deletion-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_deletion-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Nomination for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_for_deletion-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redddogg-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion"></span>Please see: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Toru_Goto_(religious_persecution)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toru Goto (religious persecution)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toru Goto (religious persecution)</a><a href="/wiki/User:Redddogg" title="User:Redddogg">Redddogg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redddogg" title="User talk:Redddogg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Redddogg-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redddogg-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redddogg-2009-11-04T17:56:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_comments/suggestions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_comments/suggestions-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z"><span id="Request_for_comments.2Fsuggestions"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_comments/suggestions-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span>Request for comments/suggestions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_comments/suggestions-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions"></span>I am planning to improve <a href="/wiki/List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(shrines)" title="List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines)">List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines)</a> up to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FL">featured list</a> quality and am looking for suggestions on how to improve it. At the moment I am expanding the "remarks" column, wondering if the information of the "Ōsaki Hachiman Shrine" is too detailed and what could be dropped? Maybe it could be written in a more compact form?! Also, is it worthwhile to add geo-coordinates (in the "location" column) to the precise location of the building? Lastly, what does it mean if something is attached to the nomination (see <a href="/wiki/List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(shrines)#Notes" title="List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines)">notes section</a>)? Are those items considered National Treasures as well? I'd be grateful for any suggestions or comments. <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span>A map with the precise locations of the National Treasures would be nice. Someone could edit <a href="/wiki/File:National_Treasures_of_Japan_(Shrines).svg" title="File:National Treasures of Japan (Shrines).svg">File:National Treasures of Japan (Shrines).svg</a> to include them, or then create a whole new map. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zakuragi" title="User:Zakuragi"><span style="color:pink;">ざくら</span></a><span style="color:green;">木</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the reply. A map is already on my todo list. I don't mind if somebody else creates one though ;-), preferably in the style of <a href="/wiki/File:National_Treasures_of_Japan_(sculptures).png" title="File:National Treasures of Japan (sculptures).png">File:National Treasures of Japan (sculptures).png</a> or <a href="/wiki/File:National_Treasures_of_Japan_(paintings).png" title="File:National Treasures of Japan (paintings).png">File:National Treasures of Japan (paintings).png</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z-Zakuragi-2009-11-06T15:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T20:15:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z"></span>Just put up <a href="/wiki/File:National_Treasures_of_Japan_(shrines).png" title="File:National Treasures of Japan (shrines).png">File:National Treasures of Japan (shrines).png</a>... <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-06T20:15:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T20:15:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-06T20:15:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-06T17:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-08T23:58:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions"></span>Working my way down the list and adding (architectural) remarks. I'd like to make the "remarks" column sortable but am not sure what property would be most interesting to sort after. By style (<a href="/wiki/Irimoya" class="mw-redirect" title="Irimoya">irimoya</a>, ryōsage,...), size (=area in ken*ken) or something else. Any suggestions?<a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-08T23:58:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-08T23:58:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-08T23:58:00.000Z-Request_for_comments/suggestions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Request for review of <a href="/wiki/Medicinal_mushrooms" class="mw-redirect" title="Medicinal mushrooms">Medicinal mushrooms</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms"></span>Can you review this page?<a href="/wiki/User:Jatlas" title="User:Jatlas">Jatlas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jatlas" title="User talk:Jatlas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z-Request_for_review_of_Medicinal_mushrooms"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Um, you sure you posted that to the right project? What does that article have to do with Japan? — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z-Jatlas-2009-11-06T22:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T02:42:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z"></span>Mushrooms grow in Japan? Just taking a stab at it... ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T02:42:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T02:42:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T02:42:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-07T00:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z"><span id="Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Adeyto" title="Adeyto">Adeyto</a> - lecturer or professor?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?"></span>In the <a href="/wiki/Adeyto" title="Adeyto">Adeyto</a> article, a comment has been added saying that she is a <a href="/wiki/University_professor" class="mw-redirect" title="University professor">university professor</a> based on the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://souzou.ac.jp/teacher_all.html">university staff page</a> which describes her as a "教授" (kyōju). I understand that "教授" is often indiscriminantly translated by Japanese speakers as "<a href="/wiki/Professor" title="Professor">professor</a>", but I feel that if this were a university in an English-speaking country, it would be more correct to call her position simply "<a href="/wiki/Lecturer" title="Lecturer">lecturer</a>". Not being involved in Japanese academia, maybe I'm not sufficiently aware of the Japanese university system. Or am I just being too picky? --<a href="/wiki/User:DAJF" title="User:DAJF">DAJF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DAJF" title="User talk:DAJF">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z-Adeyto_-_lecturer_or_professor?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z"></span>You may try asking <a href="/wiki/User:Matt_Thorn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Matt Thorn">User:Matt Thorn</a> as he's a professor at a university in Japan. I don't know if he's been active here lately, though. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z-DAJF-2009-11-09T14:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-09T16:57:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z"></span>See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S31/S31F03501000028.html#1000000000004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000">this</a>. 第四章　教員の資格、第十四条. She seems to be a case of #4. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-09T16:57:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-09T16:57:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-09T16:57:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z"></span>Oops. Sorry, not #4, but #5/五 or #6/六. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-09T15:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-09T21:50:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z"></span>I'm also not too clear on how the Japanese university system works, but just be aware that not all English-speaking countries work the way universities in the UK do, making such a strong distinction between lecturer and professor. Here in the US, nearly everyone who teaches at the university level is an assistant professor, associate professor, junior professor, senior professor or simply "professor". We don't do "readers", and I'm pretty sure we don't do "lecturers" for the most part. <a href="/wiki/User:LordAmeth" title="User:LordAmeth">LordAmeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordAmeth" title="User talk:LordAmeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-LordAmeth-2009-11-09T21:50:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-09T21:50:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-09T21:50:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z"></span>The URL that Mari has posted (and I mean the bit after the "#" in the URL itself, not the page that's there) is awe-inspiring. ¶ I've commented on this matter at the surprisingly disputatious <a href="/wiki/Talk:Adeyto" title="Talk:Adeyto">Talk:Adeyto</a>, which might benefit from a greater number of eyeballs. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T01:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z"></span>I found the English translation of the law, Standards for Establishment of Universities <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.japaneselawtranslation.go.jp/law/detail/?ft=1&re=01&dn=1&x=0&y=0&co=01&ky=%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%A6%E8%A8%AD%E7%BD%AE%E5%9F%BA%E6%BA%96&page=1">here</a>. See Qualifications of Professors in Chapter Ⅳ Qualifications of Teachers. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-10T00:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matt_Thorn-2009-11-10T13:04:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"></span>I don't know what the British standards for usage are, but in American academia, "lecturer" suggests a non-tenured, adjunct instructor. A "kyouju" is a permanent, full-time member of the faculty, and, like an American professor, is at the top of the pyramid. "Kyouju" is always translated as "professor," and "助教授 (jokyouju)" or "准教授" as "associate professor." Below that rank, it becomes more complicated, because while an American "assistant professor" is not tenured (though full-time), a Japanese "専任講師 (sennin koushi)" or "助手 (joshu)" can be permanent, but lack the status of an American assistant professor. <a href="/wiki/User:Matt_Thorn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Matt Thorn">Matt Thorn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matt_Thorn" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Matt Thorn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Matt_Thorn-2009-11-10T13:04:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matt_Thorn-2009-11-10T13:04:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matt_Thorn-2009-11-10T13:04:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"></span>I think the title "Professor" is more appropriate. While the relevant web page lists her as "教授," it also lists others as "講師," which would be analogous to the position of lecturer in American academia. <a href="/wiki/User:Konamaiki" title="User:Konamaiki">Konamaiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Konamaiki" title="User talk:Konamaiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z"></span>For more information <a class="external free" href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%AC%9B%E5%B8%AB_(%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2)">http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%AC%9B%E5%B8%AB_(%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2)</a> The section 概要: #2. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Konamaiki" title="User:Konamaiki">Konamaiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Konamaiki" title="User talk:Konamaiki">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Konamaiki" title="Special:Contributions/Konamaiki">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-10T23:12:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z"></span>The inflation of title is certainly true in the case of <a href="/wiki/Adeyto" title="Adeyto">Adeyto</a>, it is because the third rated and emerging universities like <a href="/wiki/University_of_Creation;_Art,_Music_%26_Social_Work" title="University of Creation; Art, Music & Social Work">U of C</a> need "billboard" to advertise them . In the case of the famous universities, talents like her would be 講師(lecturer or instructor) or at most, 客員教授(guest or visiting professor). Yesterday it is reported that a drug scandal singer <a href="/wiki/Noriko_Sakai" title="Noriko Sakai">Noriko Sakai</a> entered the social work department of the university. She will be another "billboard" of the school. Anyway her English title should be a "professor". ―― <a href="/wiki/User:Phoenix7777" title="User:Phoenix7777">Phoenix7777</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phoenix7777" title="User talk:Phoenix7777">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-10T23:12:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-10T23:12:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phoenix7777-2009-11-10T23:12:00.000Z-Konamaiki-2009-11-10T22:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="East_Asian_age_reckoning" data-mw-thread-id="h-East_Asian_age_reckoning-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-East_Asian_age_reckoning-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span>East Asian age reckoning<span data-mw-comment-end="h-East_Asian_age_reckoning-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning"></span>Someone in New Mexico is adding ages at time to death to infoboxes of the Japanese Emperors. I have posted a message alerting him/her to the difficulties involved in <a href="/wiki/East_Asian_age_reckoning" title="East Asian age reckoning">East Asian age reckoning</a>, but a new user may not appreciate or understand my warning: </p><p>See <a href="/wiki/User_talk:97.123.171.147#East_Asian_age_reckoning" title="User talk:97.123.171.147">User talk:97.123.171.147#East Asian age reckoning</a> </p><p>If you are online, please do what you can. In my view, this seems urgent -- no? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tenmei">Tenmei</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tenmei">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span>Honestly, I don't really see the problem here. This is an encyclopedia. What is the problem with giving the actual age of the Emperor when he passed away? Maybe I'm missing something obvious here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Torsodog" title="User:Torsodog"><span style="color:#000000;"><b>T</b></span><span style="color:#993300;">orsodo</span><span style="color:#000000;"><b>g</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Torsodog" title="User talk:Torsodog">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T01:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z"></span>I think Tenmei's concern may be due to the use of the <a href="/wiki/Lunar_calendar" title="Lunar calendar">lunar calendar</a> in Japan prior to 1868. Due to this, the "age at death" information may be incorrect on some or all of these articles. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-11T02:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T03:19:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z"></span>Oh, alright. Well, if these ages are questionable or incorrect, then they probably shouldn't be added. --<a href="/wiki/User:Torsodog" title="User:Torsodog"><span style="color:#000000;"><b>T</b></span><span style="color:#993300;">orsodo</span><span style="color:#000000;"><b>g</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Torsodog" title="User talk:Torsodog">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T03:19:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T03:19:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Torsodog-2009-11-11T03:19:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-11T03:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning"></span>We each learned many things from <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a>. I did attend carefully; but in some matters, I only learn slowly. I had presumed my concerns were reasonable in the context of <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a>'s final paragraph at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Tokugawa_Ieyasu#Inaccuracy_of_dates" title="Talk:Tokugawa Ieyasu">Talk:Tokugawa Ieyasu#Inaccuracy of dates</a>. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> suggests an alternate point-of-view: As long as the arithmetic looks okay, the potentially minor discrepancies can be resolved by someone else at some other time. Implicit in my thinking was an expectation that I would be the one to clean up any serial errors; but it doesn't have to play out that way. </p><p>As ever, this becomes something to do with figuring out how to assess the best balance in evolving circumstances. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tenmei">Tenmei</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tenmei">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z-East_Asian_age_reckoning"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z"></span>Careless of me! Belatedly I noticed the problem. When someone's birth date and death date are known, there's no problem. All we have to do is to check whether s/he died before or after the birthday in the year of death and figure out her/his age of death. But what if one or the both of the dates is/are unknown? Write (aged 60 or 61)for instance? <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z-Tenmei-2009-11-11T08:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z"></span>There's the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Death_year_and_age" title="Template:Death year and age">Death year and age</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template that will handle this for you. — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z"></span>Oh, I didn't know the template. Thank you, HelloAnnyong. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-11T15:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T16:30:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z"></span>The template presents an elegant solution. I'm so glad to discover this -- a "<a href="/wiki/Fuzzy_logic" title="Fuzzy logic">fuzzy logic</a>" shortcut which mitigates the problem without needing to explain in detail. The template's edit history shows that it has been around since 2007, but it simply escaped my notice.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong">HelloAnnYong</a>. It's fortunate that you noticed our thread about a small issue. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tenmei">Tenmei</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenmei" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tenmei">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T16:30:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T16:30:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenmei-2009-11-11T16:30:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-11T15:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Date_entries_in_tairō_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Date_entries_in_tairō_article-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z"><span id="Date_entries_in_tair.C5.8D_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Date_entries_in_tairō_article-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z"></span>Date entries in <a href="/wiki/Tair%C5%8D" title="Tairō">tairō</a> article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Date_entries_in_tairō_article-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mkill-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z-Date_entries_in_tairō_article"></span>I noticed that the article <a href="/wiki/Tair%C5%8D" title="Tairō">tairō</a> has wrong date entries for the terms of the different tairo. The author copied them from a Japanese source, which uses the dates and months of the traditional Japanese calendar, and transferred them 1:1 to the Gregorian calendar without proper conversion. It's easy to verify with the Japanese article <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E8%80%81" class="extiw" title="ja:大老">ja:大老</a> and the date of the assassination of Ii Naosuke, which happened on the 3rd day, 3rd month of 7th year of Ansei (安政七年三月三日). This is not March 3, 1860, as in <a href="/wiki/Tair%C5%8D" title="Tairō">tairō</a>, but March 24, 1860. The article <a href="/wiki/Ii_Naosuke" title="Ii Naosuke">Ii Naosuke</a> has it correctly. Can someone take care of this? It is also necessary to check the biography articles of the tairo to see whether this mistake has spread. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mkill" title="User:Mkill">Mkill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mkill" title="User talk:Mkill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Mkill-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z-Date_entries_in_tairō_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mkill-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z-Date_entries_in_tairō_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mkill-2009-11-11T11:32:00.000Z-Date_entries_in_tairō_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Toshiyuki_Mimura" data-mw-thread-id="h-Toshiyuki_Mimura-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Toshiyuki_Mimura-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Toshiyuki_Mimura" title="Toshiyuki Mimura">Toshiyuki Mimura</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Toshiyuki_Mimura-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kintetsubuffalo-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z-Toshiyuki_Mimura"></span>Can someone who can read and translate Japanese help with this one? Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Kintetsubuffalo" title="User:Kintetsubuffalo">Chris (クリス • フィッチュ)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kintetsubuffalo" title="User talk:Kintetsubuffalo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Kintetsubuffalo-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z-Toshiyuki_Mimura" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kintetsubuffalo-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z-Toshiyuki_Mimura"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kintetsubuffalo-2009-11-11T14:40:00.000Z-Toshiyuki_Mimura"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation_help_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation_help_2-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation_help_2-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z"></span>Translation help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation_help_2-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z-Translation_help_2"></span>I am stuck with translating the <a href="/wiki/List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(shrines)#General" title="List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines)">attached items</a> of shrine National treasures and am looking for help. I'd need translations or at least readings of: </p> <ul><li><s>非常門, 銅庫門, 東通用御門 (社家門), 銅神庫, 鐘舎, 燈台穂屋, all at <a href="/wiki/Nikk%C5%8D_T%C5%8Dsh%C5%8D-g%C5%AB" title="Nikkō Tōshō-gū">Nikkō Tōshō-gū</a>,</s></li> <li><s>末社印社本殿, 末社一言社本殿, ..., 末社三言社本殿, at <a href="/wiki/Shimogamo_Shrine" title="Shimogamo Shrine">Shimogamo Shrine</a>,</s></li> <li><s>玉殿, at Sumiyoshi Shrine (住吉神社), Shimonoseki</s></li></ul> <p>Thanks for any help. <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z-Translation_help_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z-Translation_help_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z-Translation_help_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-15T17:20:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z"></span>Done. <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-15T17:20:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-15T17:20:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-15T17:20:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-11T16:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z"><span id="Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>Reliable source for Japanese NPB baseball stats?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?"></span>I've decided to make a push to really get the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Baseball/Japanese_baseball_task_force" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Japanese baseball task force">Japanese baseball task force</a> going again. I was able to get <a href="/wiki/2009_Japan_Series" title="2009 Japan Series">2009 Japan Series</a> on the main page for In The News, and that is just one step I want to take to get the NPB more exposed and better covered on the Wikipedia. One problem I have, however, is I don't have a reliable online source for the baseball stats for the many Japanese players. The official English NBP site has some stats <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bis.npb.or.jp/eng/players/">here</a>, but this is only for active players. Does anyone know of a good, reliable Japanese baseball stat site in English OR Japanese? It has to be out there, but I just cant find it and it is a major hurdle in getting player article off the ground. --<a href="/wiki/User:Torsodog" title="User:Torsodog"><span style="color:#000000;"><b>T</b></span><span style="color:#993300;">orsodo</span><span style="color:#000000;"><b>g</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Torsodog" title="User talk:Torsodog">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z-Reliable_source_for_Japanese_NPB_baseball_stats?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asakura_Akira-2009-11-14T23:18:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>I'm not aware of any comprehensive online database listing all players' season stats (I’ve been searching for a reliable online source on several occasions. Of course, you can find individual stats in newspaper archives etc. in many cases.)<br/>NPB only seems to have <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bis.npb.or.jp/yearly/">year by year</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bis.npb.or.jp/history/">all-time</a> leader lists and the stats for current players. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sponichi.co.jp/baseball/npb/2009/meikan/index.html">Suponichi's</a> and other sports newspapers' NPB sections have roughly the same amount of data (but at least to me, they seem to be a little easier to navigate). English-language <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://japanesebaseball.com/players/index.jsp">japanesebaseball.com</a> has season stats for many more or less famous historical players, maybe the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://japanesebaseball.com/data/index.gsp">csv databases</a> deserve a look as well; but neither list all players. (Just try searching for single season/single start players such as apparently misguided first-round draft pick <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9F%B3%E4%BA%95%E9%82%A6%E5%BD%A6" class="extiw" title="ja:石井邦彦">Kunihiko Ishii</a>.) The same applies to the Yakyū Dendō (HoF) and Meiyūkai sites.<br/>Among the many fansites, blogsites etc. some have stats for quite a lot of players (e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://kamome.abz.jp/data.html">[1]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.din.or.jp/~nakatomi/">[2]</a>), but it's hard to judge how reliable those are. --<a href="/wiki/User:Asakura_Akira" title="User:Asakura Akira">Asakura Akira</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asakura_Akira" title="User talk:Asakura Akira">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Asakura_Akira-2009-11-14T23:18:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asakura_Akira-2009-11-14T23:18:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asakura_Akira-2009-11-14T23:18:00.000Z-Torsodog-2009-11-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z"><span id="Nanatsu_no_Ko_.28.E4.B8.83.E3.81.A4.E3.81.AE.E5.AD.90.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Nanatsu_no_Ko" title="Nanatsu no Ko">Nanatsu no Ko</a> (七つの子)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-1modnar-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)"></span>I made an English article for this children's song recently, but there is a severe lack of English language online sources which has made it difficult to establish notability and find authoritative sources. There is a Japanese version of the page already and google comes up with lots of hits for "七つの子", but I am hampered by my inability to comprehend the language. Can someone from WPJapan try to rescue it? Also <a href="/wiki/Uj%C5%8D_Noguchi" title="Ujō Noguchi">Ujō Noguchi</a> (野口雨情 Noguchi Ujō), the writer, could probably use as article as well if someone desires to run with it. Thanks a bunch. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:1modnar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:1modnar (page does not exist)">1modnar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:1modnar" title="User talk:1modnar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-1modnar-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-1modnar-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-1modnar-2009-11-15T18:13:00.000Z-Nanatsu_no_Ko_(七つの子)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_template-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_template-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z"></span>New template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_template-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z-New_template"></span>PLease use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Japan-protected-area-stub" title="Template:Japan-protected-area-stub">Japan-protected-area-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> where applicable. Thanks! ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z-New_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z-New_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-18T04:06:00.000Z-New_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rampaging_User:Seibun" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rampaging_User:Seibun-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rampaging_User:Seibun-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z"></span>Rampaging User:Seibun<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rampaging_User:Seibun-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-62.147.25.2-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z-Rampaging_User:Seibun"></span>I noticed he's on a rampage of changing ii into i'i and such, causing broken links and deletion of single-use Fair Use images. Please have a look at the message I left him at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seibun#MOS:JP" title="User talk:Seibun">User talk:Seibun#MOS:JP</a> (I have a feeling he won't listen to a gaijin). And I've found out he's also been at it on the Polish Wikipedia<a class="external autonumber" href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Park_Shakuji%27i&action=history">[3]</a> moving articles and breaking links like crazy. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/62.147.25.2" title="Special:Contributions/62.147.25.2">62.147.25.2</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:62.147.25.2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:62.147.25.2 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-62.147.25.2-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z-Rampaging_User:Seibun" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-62.147.25.2-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z-Rampaging_User:Seibun"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-62.147.25.2-2009-11-22T13:35:00.000Z-Rampaging_User:Seibun"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Road_article_titles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Road_article_titles-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Road_article_titles-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z"></span>Road article titles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Road_article_titles-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z-Road_article_titles"></span>We need to be consistent in our naming of roads in Japan. For example, we have some national highways named <a href="/wiki/Japan_National_Route_1" title="Japan National Route 1">Japan National Route 1</a> and others named <a href="/wiki/Route_151_(Japan)" class="mw-redirect" title="Route 151 (Japan)">Route 151 (Japan)</a>. I prefer the first naming method as it is very clear and doesn't require parentheticals. Thoughts? ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z-Road_article_titles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z-Road_article_titles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z-Road_article_titles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z"></span>The first one does seem easier, but the second is used a lot. I'm not sure which is better and I may not be the only one since no one else has responded. <a href="/wiki/User:Cla68" title="User:Cla68">Cla68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cla68" title="User talk:Cla68">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-23T06:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-26T17:12:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z"></span>They are both used quite a lot, so whichever we choose, it will be some work renaming the others. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-26T17:12:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-26T17:12:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-26T17:12:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-26T08:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2009-11-27T05:46:00.000Z-Road_article_titles"></span>For reference, the U.S. standard, after <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Highways" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways">much</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll" title="Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll">time wasted</a>, is at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(U.S._state_and_territory_highways)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style (U.S. state and territory highways)">Wikipedia:Manual of Style (U.S. state and territory highways)</a>. In essence, if the common name of the highway is Route 1, you should refer to it as Route 1 unless the context (Japan) is not clear, and what you actually title the article matters little, since you'll always be calling it simply Route 1. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-NE2-2009-11-27T05:46:00.000Z-Road_article_titles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2009-11-27T05:46:00.000Z-Road_article_titles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2009-11-27T05:46:00.000Z-Road_article_titles"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z"></span>Petition for Help on Feudal Japan related Wikipedia articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span>Hello and my thanks to any whom may read this, agree to this, and wish to help me on this. Our database on Feudal Japan related articles here on Wikipedia has been hurt badly by one or more members, or outside contributors, of our overall project to the point that a high percentage of them have been, in the minds of whom edited these articles, essentially made informationless over a basic fear of copyright violations. A few of the pages that these now informationless articles can be found are: </p> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Exiled_Ambition/Articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Exiled Ambition/Articles (page does not exist)">User:Exiled Ambition/Articles</a> (an approximation of said articles)</li> <li>[<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Samurai">[4]</a>] (relatively scattered)</li></ul> <p>Other relative terms with shared problems: </p> <ul><li>[<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Daimyo">[5]</a>]</li> <li>Any database of deleted articles on the topic of Feudal Japan that can be found on Wikipedia</li></ul> <p>Short list of references that can be used in the adding of information to said articles: </p> <ul><li>www.samurai-archives.com (an encyclopedia of Feudal Japanese history and figures, however minor and generalized)</li> <li>A History of Japan, Vol. 1 through 4, George Samson, Tuttle Publishing, 2000.</li> <li>Nihongi: Chronicles of Japan from the Earliest Times to A.D. 697, translated from the original Chinese and Japanese by William George Aston.</li></ul> <p>I have not begun a discussion of any potential begin date for this petition, nor have I posted this petition on any other recommendable page of our project, but please post your views and suggestions here so that we can see what steps we can take together to make our project more elaborate with the fixing of this problem. Thank you for your time. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IMMORTAL_SAMURAI&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:IMMORTAL SAMURAI (page does not exist)">Talk to IMMORTAL SAMURAI</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z"></span>Um, are you a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">sock</a> of <a href="/wiki/User:Exiled_Ambition" title="User:Exiled Ambition">User:Exiled Ambition</a>? Sure seems like it... — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T22:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gavia_immer-2009-11-24T22:35:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z"></span>I'm pretty sure we've decided against using samurai-archives.com, not because of the copyright problem -which is problem enough - but because it often isn't verifiable information in the first place. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— <a href="/wiki/User:Gavia_immer" title="User:Gavia immer">Gavia immer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gavia_immer" title="User talk:Gavia immer">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Gavia_immer-2009-11-24T22:35:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gavia_immer-2009-11-24T22:35:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gavia_immer-2009-11-24T22:35:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-24T22:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span>The SamuraiWiki of samurai-archives.com is probably what you're thinking of as you mention information that is hard to verify. The controlled encyclopedia that's used on the site, rather, doesn't state any references for the information it has on its various biographies of Japanese figures. Also, the site says it has been alive for a decade and I can't find any other English translated encyclopedias of Feudal Japan on the internet. Thus, I find it improbable for samurai archives to be an unreliable source, and our objective doesn't have to be full-blowing references right now when dealing with articles that have no references at all. But since the information is under suspicion, of course, adding tags to the articles will save us from trouble. This proves using that source would be smart for a first step among others. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IMMORTAL_SAMURAI&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:IMMORTAL SAMURAI (page does not exist)">Talk to IMMORTAL SAMURAI</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z"></span>So if a website (a) says that it has been going for ten years, and (b) has no rival in English, it's unlikely to be unreliable? And adding tags to say that use of a source might make the content of an article suspect would prove that use of that source was smart? Mmm, are <i><a href="/wiki/Modus_ponens" title="Modus ponens">modus ponens</a></i> or <i><a href="/wiki/Modus_tollens" title="Modus tollens">modus tollens</a></i> at work here? I see a curious resemblance to <i><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Darin_Fidika" title="Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Darin Fidika">modus fidikus</a>.</i></dd></dl> <dl><dd>On the use of "SamuraiWiki" for Wikipedia and other related matters, see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Exiled_Ambition&oldid=227011287">this gruesome mess</a>, <i>passim.</i> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z-IMMORTAL_SAMURAI-2009-11-24T23:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-25T03:03:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z"></span>He was indef blocked by Nihonjoe for being a sockpuppet. — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-25T03:03:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-25T03:03:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-25T03:03:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-25T00:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span>Everything on the Samurai-Archives is derived from other sources. Responsible editors will go out there and get their hands on such sources, and work from those. Published sources are almost always more reliable, verifiable, authoritative than something put up on the internet by armchair enthusiasts. In any case, the people who run the Samurai-Archives are already extremely annoyed at "Immortal Samurai" here for his rampant copyright violations, and at the Wikipedia community for their (our) failure to handle the situation in a timely and effective manner years ago when it first came up. Please don't start this all again... <a href="/wiki/User:LordAmeth" title="User:LordAmeth">LordAmeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordAmeth" title="User talk:LordAmeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z"></span>It was handled as quickly as possible given the fact that we had to sift through over 600 articles to determine which ones were problems and which weren't. The guy from SA was being unreasonably pushy about things, however, given that Wikipedia is completely volunteer. No one can legitimately make the argument that we dragged out feet on that issue. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-27T12:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z"></span>I must regretfully part-disagree with you, Joe. No, nobody can claim that WP dragged its feet, or anyway that certain volunteers (notably you) did so. You spent far more of your time deleting than you should have had to. But that site clearly says "Unless otherwise noted, all contents of this website are ©1999-2009 by C.E. West and F.W. Seal, all rights reserved". If blatant violation of this declaration within Wikipedia can't quickly be fixed (and it couldn't), then this points to systemic (and perhaps intrinsic) failures in WP. It's not the fault of the victim (SA) that the perp (WP) is, for however understandable a reason, incompetent. ¶ Still, WP has its copyvio-sniffing bots as well as selfless humans, so there's hope. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-27T12:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-27T12:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-27T12:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-27T08:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-1"></span>Here are some other sources that can prove quite useful: <ul><li>Anything by Stephen Turnbull - one of the only people out there putting out books with serious narrative detail on samurai history</li> <li>Papinot's Dictionary/Encyclopedia of Japanese History - seriously outdated, but extensive and quite useful when used in conjunction with other sources to corroborate accuracy, and in conjunction with some understanding of the changes in terminology and romanization since his time (e.g. Yedo --> Edo)</li> <li>Countless sources in Japanese, from the Rekishi Gunzo mooks to things like Sengoku Jinmei Jiten ("Encyclopedia of People of Sengoku"), as well as websites like kotobank.jp which draw from encyclopedias and other sources to provide brief descriptions of a wide variety of topics.</li> <li>Numerous monographs on much smaller topics: Friday's book on Taira no Masakado; Ravina's book on Saigo Takamori; Berry's book on the culture of civil war in Kyoto; Vaporis' book on sankin kotai...</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:LordAmeth" title="User:LordAmeth">LordAmeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordAmeth" title="User talk:LordAmeth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordAmeth-2009-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Petition_for_Help_on_Feudal_Japan_related_Wikipedia_articles-1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Japanese_National_Archives_online" data-mw-thread-id="h-Japanese_National_Archives_online-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Japanese_National_Archives_online-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Japanese National Archives online<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Japanese_National_Archives_online-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z-Japanese_National_Archives_online"></span>Just in case this hasn't been brought to anyone's attention here <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://jpimg.digital.archives.go.jp/kouseisai/index_e.html">[6]</a>. Many of the images appear to be old enough to be public domain. <a href="/wiki/User:Cla68" title="User:Cla68">Cla68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cla68" title="User talk:Cla68">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z-Japanese_National_Archives_online" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z-Japanese_National_Archives_online"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z-Japanese_National_Archives_online"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-25T05:10:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Awesome. :) ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-25T05:10:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-25T05:10:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-25T05:10:00.000Z-Cla68-2009-11-25T04:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_anybody_in_Nara..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara...-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara...-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z"></span>Is there anybody in Nara...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara...-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara..."></span>...who could confirm (or reject) that <a href="/wiki/File:NaraTodaijiAzekura0246.jpg" title="File:NaraTodaijiAzekura0246.jpg">File:NaraTodaijiAzekura0246.jpg</a> shows the scripture house<span style="font-weight: normal"> (<span title="Japanese-language text"><span lang="ja">本坊経庫</span></span>, <span title="Hepburn transliteration"><i lang="ja-Latn">honbōkyōko</i></span>)</span> which is located at <span class="geo-inline"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1156832818">.mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct,.mw-parser-output .geo-inline-hidden{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}</style><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion"><a class="external text" href="https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009&params=34_41_9.88_N_135_50_25.91_E_type:landmark_scale:1000_region:JP"><span class="geo-default"><span class="geo-dms" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location"><span class="latitude">34°41′9.88″N</span> <span class="longitude">135°50′25.91″E</span></span></span><span class="geo-multi-punct"> / </span><span class="geo-nondefault"><span class="geo-dec" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location">34.6860778°N 135.8405306°E</span><span style="display:none"> / <span class="geo">34.6860778; 135.8405306</span></span></span></a></span></span> just a few meters east of the <span title="Hepburn transliteration"><i lang="ja-Latn">nandaimon</i></span><span style="font-weight: normal"> (<span title="Japanese-language text"><span lang="ja">南大門</span></span>)</span> of Tōdai-ji? <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z-Is_there_anybody_in_Nara..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z"></span>The image is not 本坊経庫. Because 本坊経庫 does not have a wooden fence. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://sakura.canvas.ne.jp/spr/bunkazai/nra-bunkazai/024todaijihonbokyoko/kaisetu1.htm">[7]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://zawawam.exblog.jp/8058729/">[8]</a>. 本坊経庫 lies in the walled 本坊 , <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tempsera.at.webry.info/200802/article_70.html">see the 7th image</a>, and is not open to public except special occasions. The image looks like 手向山八幡宮宝庫. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tempsera.at.webry.info/200802/article_71.html">the 18th picture on this page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z-Bamse-2009-11-25T17:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bamse-2009-11-26T08:28:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. Too bad it is walled. That makes it hard to find decent free pictures of 本坊経庫. <a href="/wiki/User:Bamse" title="User:Bamse">bamse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bamse" title="User talk:Bamse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Bamse-2009-11-26T08:28:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bamse-2009-11-26T08:28:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bamse-2009-11-26T08:28:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-26T05:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfC_of_possible_interest" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfC_of_possible_interest-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfC_of_possible_interest-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z"></span>RfC of possible interest<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfC_of_possible_interest-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tryptofish-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z-RfC_of_possible_interest"></span>Editors with knowledge of Japanese popular culture (particularly related to anime), as well as historical Japanese views on capital punishment, may, perhaps, be interested in <a href="/wiki/Talk:Crucifixion#RfC:_Should_crucifixion_in_anime_have_its_own_section_in_the_article_on_crucifixion?" title="Talk:Crucifixion">this RfC</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tryptofish" title="User:Tryptofish">Tryptofish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tryptofish" title="User talk:Tryptofish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Tryptofish-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z-RfC_of_possible_interest" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tryptofish-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z-RfC_of_possible_interest"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tryptofish-2009-11-28T15:33:00.000Z-RfC_of_possible_interest"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_romaji_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_romaji_help-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_romaji_help-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z"></span>Need romaji help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_romaji_help-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help"></span>It looks like we need the romanization of several given names at <a href="/wiki/K%C5%8Driyama,_Fukushima#Successive_mayors" class="mw-redirect" title="Kōriyama, Fukushima">Kōriyama,_Fukushima#Successive_mayors</a>. Can someone help? <a href="/wiki/User:Badagnani" title="User:Badagnani">Badagnani</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Badagnani" title="User talk:Badagnani">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z"></span>Probably not. Great numbers of people can make <i>educated guesses</i> at the pronunciation of such names. But great numbers of people also know that many Japanese names have idiosyncratic readings. Indeed, even when seemingly authoritative Japanese sources provide readings for people of demonstrable interest, they often get them wrong (<a href="/wiki/Tomio_Kond%C5%8D#cite_note-0" title="Tomio Kondō">example</a>). No guess is far better than an educated guess, unless the educated guess is clearly marked as such (<a href="/wiki/Shigeru_Tamura_(photographer)#cite_note-0" title="Shigeru Tamura (photographer)">example</a>). Incidentally, I'm most surprised by the redlinking there: does some editor really suppose that the "successive mayors" of Kōriyama will eventually get biographies that meet each of en:WP's relevant rules (verifiability, reliable sourcing, etc)? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-11-29T02:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T03:17:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z"></span>Wow, I didn't know that. A lot of Japanese given names with kanji are quite standard so I didn't know there was a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Badagnani" title="User:Badagnani">Badagnani</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Badagnani" title="User talk:Badagnani">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T03:17:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T03:17:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badagnani-2009-11-29T03:17:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T03:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help"></span>I've translated two of the names. Did it using a combination of Internet searches and Jim Breen's name dictionary. 七司 is either Shichiji or Shichishi, but the former seems more natural to me. As to the third name, 善庫, I'm not really sure about that. Are you sure those kanji are correct? I see that the Japanese version of the article has them, but I'm a bit skeptical... — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z-Need_romaji_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sushiya-2009-11-29T04:25:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z"></span>善庫 seems correct as it appears in multiple google hits including <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://kokkai.ndl.go.jp/SENTAKU/sangiin/005/0488/00504050488004a.html">a record of Diet</a>. I would read the name either <i>Zenko</i> or <i>Yoshikura</i>, but cannot find decisive sources. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sushiya" title="User:Sushiya">Sushiya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sushiya" title="User talk:Sushiya">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Sushiya-2009-11-29T04:25:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sushiya-2009-11-29T04:25:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sushiya-2009-11-29T04:25:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z"></span>I suppose "translated" is just a typo for "transliterated", but a decision on the reading of a name that depends on the choice that "seems more natural to" one editor does not square with Wikipedia's purported aim of providing information based on reliable sources. Granted, my Japanese literacy is far below that of a literate native (how's yours?), but for what little my "intuition" is worth, either "Kazuhito" or "Kazuto" seems more likely to me than does "Katsuhito" as the reading of the given name of 中里和人. And just how much is it worth? It's worth jack: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nakazato.info/">the reading is actually "Katsuhito"</a>. ¶ Please stop providing readings of names via more or less educated guesswork, and remove any such factoids that have already been added. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T04:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z"></span>I found a site that got one of them for me, so I updated that. The other one I still have no idea on, and wouldn't really feel comfortable guessing. Sushiya had my two guesses above anyway. — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T05:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z"></span>Everyone please hold off on any more edits right now. I found a page which gives readings for all of them, but it will take a few minutes to transfer the information. Thanks. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T05:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z"></span>Okay, done. I think some of the names sound unusual, but I've met my fair share of people with unusually-read names in Japan, so... ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T05:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z"></span>*floored* Can't believe I didn't see the furigana button at the top of that page. Well done on that. (PS, congrats on the bureaucratship!) — <a href="/wiki/User:HelloAnnyong" title="User:HelloAnnyong"><b><span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HelloAnnyong" title="User talk:HelloAnnyong">(say whaaat?!)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z"></span>It's the first site I've ever seen with a button like that, so I wasn't looking for it. I just happened to notice it. Thanks. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z-HelloAnnyong-2009-11-29T06:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z"></span>I feel impatient today and called the Koriyama Central Library and learned the correct reading from the 8th to current mayor's names. I'll call City Hall tomorrow and get the rest. 穣、就任おめでとうございます。<a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z"></span>If any are incorrect from what I found, please let them know so they can change the city website. It would be useful to just have the readings on the regular site. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T07:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z"></span>I didn't notice that furigana button. It seems the site has a furigana machine. This <i>大（だい）島破（しまやぶり）竹郎（たけろう）</i> is impossible! Human doesn't read like that. Even though there are many difficult readings, 大島 must be Ōshima or Ōjima. I'll ask about it too tomorrow. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z"></span>I had noticed the machinelike repetition of for example 第（だい）, and was wondering who was supposed to benefit, but was too lazy to investigate further. Well done! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-29T08:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z"></span>Done! The woman I talked with didn't know whether the site used a furigana machine or not. I asked her to put furigana/reading manually to that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Oda_Mari" title="User:Oda Mari">Oda Mari</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oda_Mari" title="User talk:Oda Mari">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T08:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-30T15:52:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for your help on this one, Mari! ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-30T15:52:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-30T15:52:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-30T15:52:00.000Z-Oda_Mari-2009-11-30T07:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z"></span>An excellent find; and, if I may exile my ambition for a moment, your direct use of it shows outstanding extraboxical arbitratitudinality. I don't see you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2009/Candidate_statements" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2009/Candidate statements">here</a>; too bad, but there's always next year. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T06:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z"></span>Unlikely. I don't think I want to deal with what they go through. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="Help:Installing Japanese character sets">?</a></sup> · <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe" title="Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe"><span style="color:blue;">投稿</span></a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-11-29T07:35:00.000Z-Hoary-2009-11-29T07:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_romaji/kanji_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_romaji/kanji_help-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z"><span id="More_romaji.2Fkanji_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_romaji/kanji_help-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z"></span>More romaji/kanji help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_romaji/kanji_help-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SharkD-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z-More_romaji/kanji_help"></span>The article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Bemani_Python_2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Bemani Python 2 (page does not exist)">Bemani Python 2</a> is up for deletion. I was wondering if someone knowledgeable would please provide the romaji and/or kanji written forms at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bemani_Python_2" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bemani Python 2">AfD</a> page. Thanks. <span style="border:1px solid #f57900;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:SharkD" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SharkD"><span style="color:#8f5902;padding-left:1px;">SharkD</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SharkD" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:SharkD"><span style="color:#fff;background:#fcaf3e;"> Talk </span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009#c-SharkD-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z-More_romaji/kanji_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SharkD-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z-More_romaji/kanji_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SharkD-2009-11-29T06:16:00.000Z-More_romaji/kanji_help"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009&oldid=1137378296">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan/Archive/November_2009&oldid=1137378296</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Archive_pages_whose_parent_page_is_a_redirect" title="Category:Archive pages whose parent page is a redirect">Archive pages whose parent page is a redirect</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_using_gadget_WikiMiniAtlas" title="Category:Pages using gadget WikiMiniAtlas">Pages using gadget WikiMiniAtlas</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 4 February 2023, at 09:00<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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