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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Community_tabs/styles.css&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Explanation for reverted edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Waldyrious-20241121233700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Explanation_for_reverted_edit-20241121233700","replies":["c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500","timestamp":"20241123152200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Waldyrious-20241121233700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Explanation_for_reverted_edit-20241121233700","replies":["c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit"],"text":"Explanation for reverted edit","linkableTitle":"Explanation for reverted edit"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tacsipacsi" title="User:Tacsipacsi">Tacsipacsi</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/960133119" title="Special:Diff/960133119">edit you reverted</a> was meant to add a selector with stronger specificity for links within the tabs. An id counts an order of magnitude more towards CSS selector specificity than a class, so even though .mw-parser-output is closer to the element, a selector with #mw-content-text takes precedence over it. The goal was to ensure link color customizations like <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Waldyrious/global.css/links.css" class="extiw" title="meta:User:Waldyrious/global.css/links.css">this</a> would not disrupt this template's styles and result in blue links over a blue background. I will change that particular stylesheet to use the class as well, but there may be others out there doing similar customizations. <a href="/wiki/User:Waldyrious" title="User:Waldyrious">Waldyrious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waldyrious" title="User talk:Waldyrious"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Community_tabs/styles.css#c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121233700","author":"Waldyrious","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit","replies":["c-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500-Waldyrious-20241121233700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waldyrious-20241121233700-Explanation_for_reverted_edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500-Waldyrious-20241121233700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Waldyrious" title="User:Waldyrious">Waldyrious</a>: </span> An ID counts an order of magnitude more towards CSS selector specificity than a class <em>if it matches</em>. Since in the HTML, <code>.mw-parser-output</code> is a descendant of the <code>#mw-content-text</code>, but the rule you added gets expanded to <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">mw-parser-output</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">#</span><span class="nn">mw-content-text</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">community-tabs</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="o">></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="o">></span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nd">not</span><span class="o">(</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">active</span><span class="o">)</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">a</span></code> (plus the <code>.external</code> variant, of course), it won’t match anything, no matter how specific it is. <code>.mw-parser-output</code> is prepended to all selectors in all TemplateStyles stylesheets, it’s impossible to avoid it (for security reasons: TemplateStyles should not affect anything outside of the content area).</dd> <dd>I also don’t think that the template styles should care about user stylesheets: instead, user stylesheets should care about templates. There are many template styles, and there are endless ways user stylesheets can break them, so it’s impossible to avoid every breakage, and impractical to avoid even most of them. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tacsipacsi" title="User:Tacsipacsi">Tacsipacsi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tacsipacsi" title="User talk:Tacsipacsi"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Community_tabs/styles.css#c-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500-Waldyrious-20241121233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500-Waldyrious-20241121233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122213500","author":"Tacsipacsi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500-Waldyrious-20241121233700","replies":["c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500-Waldyrious-20241121233700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500"></span>Oh, I wasn't aware of <code>.mw-parser-output</code> being automatically prepended to selectors in TemplateStyles — thanks for that context. I agree that avoiding breaking user stylesheets is a hopeless task. In this case it seemed like adding a more specific selector could avoid a whole class of issues (pun not intended) especially because link colors are usually set to be different from plain text color, so explicitly declaring them to inherit the (white) text color would be important for an element whose background is dark blue, i.e. towards the opposite end of the brightness spectrum than the usual white background — but I can see how the execution was misguided. Thanks for bringing this to my attention :) <a href="/wiki/User:Waldyrious" title="User:Waldyrious">Waldyrious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waldyrious" title="User talk:Waldyrious"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Community_tabs/styles.css#c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123152200","author":"Waldyrious","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waldyrious-20241123152200-Tacsipacsi-20241122213500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐ext.codfw.main‐7556f8b5dd‐fpmk2 Cached time: 20241123152226 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [user‐signature] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.003 seconds CPU time usage: 0.025 seconds Real time usage: 0.032 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 22/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 148/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 0/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 3/100 Expensive parser function count: 1/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 722/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.003/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 626508/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 16.247 1 Template:Reply_to 100.00% 16.247 1 -total --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key commonswiki:pcache:idhash:155507227-0!canonical and timestamp 20241123152226 and revision id 960832994. 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