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return false;" role="button" class="" ><span class="ltp_txt">Votes</span></a class="" ></div class="" ></div><div class="workSection brevs_container"><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_265477434" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Manne uses a lot of studies, which you’ve probably seen if you’ve seen fat acceptance writing, to argue that diets and shame are harmful rather than helpful; in particular, discrimination against fat people (including children) harms them much more than the “biological” consequences of weight. Example: “parents in the 1990s were less willing to offer financial support to their fat daughters to attend college, compared with their thinner ones.” We’re in the midst of a trans panic where states are banning the use of puberty blockers for trans kids, but doctors encourage life-altering bariatric surgery for kids as young as 13. She’s a good writer for a summary of a lot of work on the harms of dieting.<br><br>She further argues that it’s not accidental that being thin has become much harder in recent decades at the same time that anti-fat discrimination has increased. The effort—and resources—required to eat “healthy” foods, work out a lot, etc.—are seen as morally worthy. As she points out, though, we accept or at least tolerate lots of other choices that increase the risk of morbidity and death (riding motorcycles, rock climbing, cheerleading, etc.). She argues for “body reflexivity” or body autonomy—you don’t “have” to love or accept your body, because that’s another instruction doomed to cause shame and feelings of failure; instead, you should consider your body to be for you, not for pleasing others. As she concludes: “I hence hold out hope for a future in which our current relentless beauty pageant has no more judges—and not a single entrant. It is not that everybody wins or gets a participation trophy in the form of our collective studied neutrality. There should be nothing in its place. There ought to be no contest. And that there is no contest, no judgment, does not mean there can be no appreciation. Go for a walk sometime: you can appreciate a leaf, a sunset, a dog, without ranking it against others or pronouncing it superior.”<span id="rate-u_6a489692" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_265477434" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_265477434"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_265477434" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_265477434" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_265477434" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_265477434"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/rivkat" target="_top">rivkat</a> | <a href="/work/30144207/reviews" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >4 other reviews</a> | Jun 7, 2024 | <a href="/review/265477434"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_264040641" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>In Unshrinking, Manne, a well-known feminist commentator and Cornell philosophy prof, makes some great points about diet culture and body obsession. She ends with an explication of her philosophy which she names "body reflexivity." With this philosophy, Manne moves away from "body positivity," which marks people as less than if they cannot love their bodies. She also moves past "body neutrality" because what even is that? How can we be neutral about our physical selves? Body reflexivity, as Manne frames it, is the philosophy that our bodies are no one else's damn business. I like that. You are free to decide if you find me attractive, and that is your deal, but it is no more than your opinion, My attractiveness to you is all that stems from that opinion, it says nothing else about me, my attributes, or my life. I am not less because you do not find me attractive and other people are not less for finding me attractive because you do not. As it is we live in a world where a person's body is seen as a sort of sandwich board that supposedly tells people that fat = less credibility, less power, less intellect, less drive, and less worth overall. Fat people are jokes and people who look slim and toned months after child-bearing are paragons, exemplars of all that is good. There are lots of studies that back this up, and I can tell you based on mountains of anecdotal experience and observation that it is true.<br><br>I am not sure it is relevant, but certainly the circumstances of my own life impact how I view this tract so I will discuss that briefly. I am fat, not fat enough that people want to tune into basic cable to gawk at me so they can feel better about their own lives or fat enough to have to buy two airplane seats, but fat enough that airplane seats leave me little room to move around and I can't sit cross-legged on the ground. I am comfortable in my body. Well, that is not completely accurate. I am no less comfortable in my fat body than I was when I had a bmi in the "normal" range. I am more comfortable in my fat body than I was during the years I was binging and purging and occasionally had a bmi below "normal." It took me a long time and a whole lot of work to believe that the size of my body was not the thing that determined my intrinsic worth as a human, but I did actually get there. All that said, my weight does have actual impact on my life mostly because it impacts how others perceive me, but also because of physical limitations, mostly man-made but others physical. The physical part of that is where I have a problem with Unshrinking.<br><br>Manne spends a lot of this book claiming that excess weight does not impact health and that is where the construction of her position fails. First, to build her body reflexivity framework Manne does not need to go there. Her position (which I agree with completely) is that our bodies are our own business. It stands to reason that should be so even if we know what we are doing is unhealthy. Serious athletic pursuit is unhealthy too, but we don't tell people to stop pushing their bodies to improve performance on the court/field/mat/track. Why shouldn't fatness be the same as physical overwork? The toll on the body is something we can choose to accept. Health impacts have no relevance to body reflexivity as set forth here. The many pages spent arguing that obesity does not impact health take Manne's theory off course. Perhaps more problematic is that her position is false so it casts a pall over the meaningful and true parts of Manne's book. The assertion that there are no proven health impacts stemming from fatness is crap. It has about the same merit as the claim that evolution is not proven. Research overwhelmingly shows that fatness does negatively impact health. Common sense should tell us that the body is a machine, and excess weight puts more stress on the machinery. We should also know that shoving more mass into a limited space affects everything in that space. I can tell you from personal experience that as I age my knees and hips particularly cause me pain and I am far less flexible and agile than my family members who are not fat and who also have osteoarthritis, as I do. I also have high LDL and which triglycerides, both linked to being overweight and both of which are part of overall heart health. More generally, obesity is tied to Type 2 diabetes, many types of cancer, circulatory issues, stroke, dementia, and other potentially deadly illnesses. These are facts, but it is also a fact that these are my problems, my risks, and no one but my doctor and I should be able to have an opinion. The discussion of the very real personal health impacts of fatness doesn't belong in a discussion of body reflexivity as I understand it.<br><br>Manne makes related arguments about the science of fatness that are important and do support her overall position. Like Manne I am genetically predisposed to fat and people like us who "run to fat" (her term) often do or have done things to stay slim that are more unhealthy than being fat. I know thin people in terrible health, often but not always as a result of the things they do to stay slim, and fat people in pretty good physical condition. Both Manne and I had eating disorders, and she has had a lot of major weight fluctuations up and down (I have not had a lot of that, but some), and those fluctuations have been tied to many negative health outcomes. She also notes generally unhealthy eating in connection with "diets" and discusses the adverse health effects of bariatric surgery. For naturally fat people staying slim absent the use of things like restrictive diets or surgery is nearly impossible (new drugs like Ozempic and Mounjaro may change this.) Her discussion of predisposition to fatness (origin rather than impact), and the clear statistical evidence that weight loss "diets" do not work in the long term and in fact can cause metabolic damage that leads to more weight gain is important to validate her theory. Proper analysis of any philosophical argument accepts that we ought not to hold people responsible when they do not have the power to change their circumstances or behaviors to affect better ends. I am the first to admit I am no philosopher and Manne is a good one. But here, to my eye, she misstepped with the health impacts discussion, and it muddies the science of fatness discussion. She discusses how she is (like me) in a constant battle to be at peace with her body and the world's perception of it, and I think that is what led her to fixate on the denial of health impact. It feels very defensive to me. I get that she wants to answer all the people who claim to "just be worried about your health" or that their real concern is that obesity is driving up health costs for everyone and so everyone bears the burden. Those arguments though are easily dealt with. The first is BS and the second would tax all sorts of behaviors that "drive up health costs" but that no one rails against.<br><br>(Manne also makes an absurd argument about the movie The Whale, which completely misperceives the point of that film -- which was that this man's grief led him into despair and he was trying to kill himself without killing himself. Her thoughts on shows like My 600 lb Life were on point, though. And now I will shut up about this because I have gotten as off-point as Manne did.)<br><br>In the end, three cheers for the work toward destigmatizing fatness. and for identifying the race and gender-based history and cultural cues behind the dehumanization of fat people And the biggest cheers for the philosophical framework for the radical notion that our bodies are no one's business but our own, that the problem here is with people's reaction to fatness, not with the fat. Thanks to Manne for building a structure around that position. The significant flaws in execution do not dent the value of what she achieves here.<span id="rate-u_4b996598" title="3.5 Stars" aria-title="3.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="7" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="0" class="ratehalf selected" >½</i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_264040641" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_264040641"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_264040641" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_264040641" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a 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srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>A book that's unnervingly both validating and depressing, and will likely never be read by the kind of person who needs to read it most.<span id="rate-u_5eb57489" title="3.5 Stars" aria-title="3.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="7" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" 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Manne’s new book, #Unshrinking. <br><br>There are many books, websites, and social media accounts where you can learn about the research on weight gain and loss, dieting, and weight stigma. What Kate Manne brings to this material is the lens of a philosopher; she organizes this information into a philosophical, moral argument with carefully cited evidence to persuade readers that it is WRONG to discriminate against fat people. She also argues against body positivity and even body neutrality, promoting body reflexivity instead. In other words, we need not love our bodies, nor will our happiness and authenticity be found in simply accepting our bodies. We must internalize our bodies as our own, for ourselves, not for the admiration or satisfaction or use of others. <br><br>Manne integrates memoir of her own embodied experience throughout the argument, which probably makes the book more accessible for many readers. I personally did not think it works and would prefer fewer personal stories of hemming and hawing over her ‘small fat’ status. It arguably undermines her conclusion: if our bodies are for ourselves, writers do not need put their own embodiment and humanity under the microscope to prove a point. How does that get us closer to fat liberation? <br><br>These shortcomings won’t prevent me from recommending the book. I’m sure it will benefit many readers.<span id="rate-u_208e546e" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_256149554" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_256149554"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_256149554" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_256149554" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_256149554" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_256149554"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/LizzK" target="_top">LizzK</a> | <a href="/work/30144207/reviews" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >4 other reviews</a> | Jan 22, 2024 | <a href="/review/256149554"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_255999869" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0593593839.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/30144207" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>A grueling read. Hey, guess what, fat people? The world hates you even more than you knew. And there's nothing to be done, apparently, but adjust our own attitudes about ourselves. <br><br>I expected something deeper from a philosopher. Unfortunately rendered incoherent through reflexive woke pandering.<span id="rate-u_667ffc19" title="3.5 Stars" aria-title="3.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="7" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="0" class="ratehalf selected" >½</i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_255999869" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_255999869"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_255999869" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_255999869" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_255999869" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_255999869"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/libraryhead" target="_top">libraryhead</a> | <a href="/work/30144207/reviews" data-workid="30144207" data-title="Unshrinking-How-to-Face-Fatphobia" class="" >4 other reviews</a> | Jan 14, 2024 | <a href="/review/255999869"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_246620479" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-girl-the-logic-of-misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-girl-the-logic-of-misogyny" class="" >Down girl : the logic of misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>This is a terrific book by an academic (philosopher) clarifying what "misogyny" is, what its purposes are, how to discern it, and why and how it harms women and girls. For a non-academic such as me, it was slow going but certainly worth it. Professor Manne is an admirable thinker and excellent writer.<span id="rate-u_793d663d" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_246620479" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_246620479"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_246620479" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_246620479" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_246620479" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_246620479"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/RickGeissal" target="_top">RickGeissal</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-girl-the-logic-of-misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Aug 16, 2023 | <a href="/review/246620479"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_239307026" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.<br><br>“Why, and how, do we regard many men’s potentially hurt feelings as so important, so sacrosanct? [She’s just described the common instance of women agreeing to sex so as not to be rude.] “And, relatedly, why do we regard women as so responsible for portecting and ministering to them?” p59<br><br>“[Hoffman and Tarzian] found that men received more pain medicatin than women … [W]omen were more likely to be given sedatives instead of pain medication. … more minor tranquilizers, antidepressants, and non-opioid analgesics than men … [B]oys were significantly more likely to be given codeine; girls, acetaminophen …” p79 And then she quotes Hoffman and Tarzian” “Women who seek help are less likely than men to be taken seriously when they report pain and are less likely to have their pain adequately treated.” p80 Surprise, right? Women being taken less seriously than men? Men being taken more seriously than women? <br><br>“Such woeful ignorance of pregnant bodies has not deterred many of those who continue to try to regulate them.” p103 She’s referring to the guy who thought that ‘the female body had a way of shutting the whole thing down in the case of rape’. (Wouldn’t that be nice?) And to another guy who thought the stomach was connected to the uterus. She goes on to say “There are evidently many men who feel entitled to regulate pregnant bodies without having the remotest idea about, or interest in learning, how they work.” p105 So well-put. <br><br>“As Oberman and Ball put it: ‘The novelty of prosecuting men for abortion_despite the sound legal footing of such charges—tells us something important about the way we have, until now, framed the debate. Boys will be boys, but women who get pregnant have behaved irresponsibly. We are so comfortable with regulating women’s sexual behavior, but we’re shocked by the idea of doing it to the men. … women don’t have unwanted pregnancies without them.'” [p108-9, my emphasis]<br><br>“… men often prefer unemployment to taking on jobs in nursing (for example, as a nurse’s assistant), elder care, or working as a home healthcare aide.” p128 showing that “Even paid care work among men is strikingly unpopular. Guess what she’s said about unpaid care work …<br><br>Also see Scalzi's <a href="https://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/" rel="nofollow" target="_top">https://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty...</a><span id="rate-u_d2dd2e2c" title="5 Stars" aria-title="5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="10" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="9" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_239307026" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_239307026"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_239307026" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_239307026" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_239307026" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_239307026"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/ptittle" target="_top">ptittle</a> | <a href="/work/24451156/reviews" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >6 other reviews</a> | Apr 22, 2023 | <a href="/review/239307026"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_207224935" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Amazing that at this exact moment in time, many things are actually worse than the author wrote about just over a year ago (I’m looking at Idaho and Missouri specifically and their heinous laws). This book does a good job of breaking down the entitlement of men (and really she’s very much speaking about white cishet men here), and it’s depressing that her references all happened in the past ten plus years. Not much hope here that I can see especially knowing what’s going on right now too.<span id="rate-u_606ca75e" title="4.5 Stars" aria-title="4.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="9" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="0" class="ratehalf selected" >½</i></span></div><div id="rfd_207224935" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_207224935"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_207224935" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_207224935" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_207224935" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_207224935"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/spinsterrevival" target="_top">spinsterrevival</a> | <a href="/work/24451156/reviews" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >6 other reviews</a> | Mar 14, 2022 | <a href="/review/207224935"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_199179873" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Although aimed at academic readers, this examination of misogyny was brought to my attention by a mansplainer on Twitter who castigated the author in a most sexist manner. Her explanations are all sensible and well-researched but this is not by any means an easy read. If you can persevere, you'll hear recountings of the most obvious (Brock Turner, Clinton vs Trump, Elliott Roger's Isla Vista massacre) instances of why "a good portion of the dominant social class has a vested interest in maintaining men's superiority." Admirable for inclusion of racial animus as well, and of the explanations of why women can also be sexist.<span id="rate-u_f21647bd" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_199179873" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_199179873"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_199179873" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_199179873" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_199179873" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_199179873"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/froxgirl" target="_top">froxgirl</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Apr 19, 2021 | <a href="/review/199179873"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_192557545" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>In this bold and stylish critique, Cornell philosopher Kate Manne offers a radical new framework for understanding misogyny. Ranging widely across the culture, from Harvey Weinstein and the Brett Kavanaugh hearings to "Cat Person" and the political misfortunes of Elizabeth Warren, Manne's book shows how privileged men's sense of entitlement - to sex, yes, but more insidiously to admiration, care, bodily autonomy, knowledge, and power - is a pervasive social problem with often devastating consequences.<br><br>In clear, lucid prose, Manne argues that male entitlement can explain a wide array of phenomena, from mansplaining and the under-treatment of women's pain to mass shootings by incels and the seemingly intractable notion that women are "unelectable." Moreover, Manne implicates each of us in toxic masculinity: It's not just a product of a few bad actors; it's something we all perpetuate, conditioned as we are by the social and cultural mores of our time. The only way to combat it, she says, is to expose the flaws in our default modes of thought while enabling women to take up space, say their piece, and muster resistance to the entitled attitudes of the men around them.<span id="rate-u_ae35509f" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_192557545" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_192557545"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_192557545" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_192557545" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_192557545" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_192557545"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/jepeters333" target="_top">jepeters333</a> | <a href="/work/24451156/reviews" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >6 other reviews</a> | Nov 21, 2020 | <a href="/review/192557545"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_167344117" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>This was one of the hardest books I’ve ever read which is difficult to say considering how important a work it is. The writing is so academic to be often incomprehensible for me, and I went to grad school. I found that I understood<br>the second half of the book more and took more from it. I didn’t need to be shown that misogyny is everywhere as basic reasoning works well enough, but I think that this needs to be read by the masses that seem not to have those thinking skills (i.e. most everyone).<span id="rate-u_e69d0ad6" title="3.5 Stars" aria-title="3.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="7" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="0" class="ratehalf selected" >½</i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_167344117" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_167344117"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_167344117" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_167344117" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_167344117" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_167344117"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/spinsterrevival" target="_top">spinsterrevival</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Nov 2, 2020 | <a href="/review/167344117"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_190809461" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Pretty standard offering, with basic info that should be readily apparent to anyone with a brain. "Misogyny For Beginners". Well written, especially the chapter on incels, and could be used as a textbook in high schools.<br><br>Quotes: "Rather than a deep-seated psychological hatred of girls and women, misogyny is the "law enforcement" branch of patriarchy."<br><br>"Women are expected to give traditionally feminine goods (sex, care, nurturing, reproductive labor) to more privileged men."<br><br>"Why and how do we regard many men's potentially hurt feelings as so important? And why do we regard women as so responsible for protecting and ministering to them?"<br><br>"Testimonial quieting is when an audience fails to identify a speaker as a knower."<br><br>"The still prevalent belief is that men are the default humans."<br><br>"Boys will be boys, but women who get pregnant have behaved irresponsibly. Although women don't have unwanted pregnancies without men."<br><br>"Asking men to pull their weight is in itself a form of labor."<br><br>"I carry in my mind exhaustive lists of all types, not because I want to, but because I know no one else will."<br><br>"Demonstrable niceness is an imperative for powerful women but inconsequential for their male rivals."<span id="rate-u_4b06c69b" title="4.5 Stars" aria-title="4.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="9" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="0" class="ratehalf selected" >½</i></span></div><div id="rfd_190809461" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_190809461">1</span> <img title="1 member found this review helpful" id="rvi_190809461" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_190809461" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_190809461" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_190809461" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_190809461"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/froxgirl" target="_top">froxgirl</a> | <a href="/work/24451156/reviews" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >6 other reviews</a> | Oct 11, 2020 | <a href="/review/190809461"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_162895834" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Best for: <br>Those looking for a deeper look into what misogyny really is.<br><br>In a nutshell:<br>Philosopher Kate Manne explores different definition of misogyny, providing support for her hypotheses with case studies many of us will be familiar with.<br><br>Worth quoting:<br>“Sexism [is] the branch of patriarchal ideology that justifies and rationalizes a patriarchal social order, and misogyny as the system that polices and enforces its governing norms an expectations. So sexism is scientific; misogyny is moralistic.”<br><br>Why I chose it:<br>I love philosophy and philosophical explorations of topics. I don’t love misogyny. Seemed like a good fit.<br><br>Review:<br>I’ve struggled with the difference between sexism and misogyny, and have usually used them interchangeably. I appreciate that with this book, Manne offers up definitions that can be supported with evidence. This is important to me because I think working from shared definitions helps to identify problems as well as work on solutions to them.<br><br>If I’ve understood her correctly (and I think I have), sexism is saying that once a woman has a child, it is her duty to stay home to raise the child, because that’s what women do. Misogyny is thinking ill of a woman who has a child but chooses to work outside the home, because she is not fulfilling her role as a woman. One is, as Manne says, ideological; the other is moral.<br><br>This definition is useful because misogyny is a thing, it’s a bad thing, and because folks recognize ‘misogyny’ as bad, they will bend themselves in all sorts of shapes to avoid accepting that they - or their actions - have any relation to it. In one of the chapters, Manne talks about how this can lead to a version of the ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy, where the definition is so narrow as to not apply to anyone. “He has a wife! He loves her! He can’t be a misogynist!.”<br><br>Oh, but he can. And actually, she can as well! Because, as Manne argues, to engage in misogyny is to judge and punish women for not fulfilling their roles in our patriarchal society, for not giving what we deem women should give, and for attempting to take what we think men should have. So Mike Pence, say, can very much love his wife, and that love is not in spite of her being a woman. But he is still a misogynist when he judges and condemns women for seeking abortions (as they are not fulfilling their duty as mother / caregiver). <br><br>Manne often revisits the case of the Isla Vista guy who published a manifesto about how women were denying him his right to sexual gratification. He went on to kill many people, include men (though his original goal was to massacre a Sorority), before killing himself. In the aftermath, many people said he was ‘troubled’ and ‘mentally ill,’ but not a misogynist, because hey, he mostly killed dudes! But Manne argues throughout that the acts were motivated by misogyny, because the central issue for the Isla Vista killer was that women were giving other men attention that he deserved. The women were failing in their duty to provide him with romantic and sexual attention that was due him as a man. That is a misogynistic view of women.<br><br>Another side that Manne explores is the concept of the double standard, where women are judged harshly for being as successful as, or seeking the same roles as men. I tend to think of that as the ‘if she’s assertive, she’s a bitch but if he’s assertive he’s a leader’ idea. Women are not only judged for seeking positions of power outside the roles the patriarchy has decided fit us, but women are then judged for how we perform in those roles, whether that’s being held to an impossible standard or having outright lies made up about us and how we got where we are.<br><br>She also looks at how women can express misogynistic views, and spends a fair bit of time on this when looking at Hillary Clinton’s electoral college loss in 2016. So much of the revisiting of the election of 2016 made me angry, and a lot has been written about that time, but I think there are new things, interesting things, said here. Including how so much ink has been spent on what Clinton did wrong, but not nearly as much on what responsibility voters have for the decisions we made, and what role misogyny truly played in her not getting the US Presidency.<br><br>I also appreciate one little footnote that addresses the idea of misandry (which, hilariously, the software I’m using to write this review doesn’t recognize as a word). Given her premise that misogyny is based on a judgment of women for not fulfilling their roles as outlined in our patriarchal society, then misandry sort of … can’t exist. Because we don’t live in a matriarchy, so men can’t be judged based on not fulfilling those roles as set out by the matriarchy. Heh.<br><br>This book is generally accessible, but it does have a bit of a philosophy-paper vibe to it at times, which might not be familiar to some folks. There are a few phrases in there that I had to look up (clearly in the 10 years that have passed since I got my philosophy degree many things have faded from memory), but overall I think it’s a pretty easy read, given the topic.<br><br>Keep it / Pass to a Friend / Donate it / Toss it:<br>Keep it<span id="rate-u_1ee3a75c" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_162895834" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_162895834"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_162895834" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_162895834" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_162895834" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_162895834"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/ASKelmore" target="_top">ASKelmore</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Sep 5, 2020 | <a href="/review/162895834"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_186138500" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Brilliant book detailing the common, everyday types of misogyny that virtually every woman has experienced. The author lays out her insights in great detail then backs them up with real-world examples (especially court cases) that most readers would be familiar with. In addition, Manne's use of sophisticated and witty language really elevates the book.<br><br>Everyone, female and male, should read this.<span id="rate-u_bed407e9" title="5 Stars" aria-title="5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="10" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="9" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_186138500" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_186138500">1</span> <img title="1 member found this review helpful" id="rvi_186138500" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_186138500" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_186138500" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_186138500" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_186138500"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/Kathleen.Jones" target="_top">Kathleen.Jones</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Jul 9, 2020 | <a href="/review/186138500"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_185259562" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women by Kate Manne is a wonderful overview and updating of the role male privilege and misogyny play in hurting women and thus hurting society.<br><br>While she alludes to and/or cites both classic and more recent research she does so in a manner that never loses sight of her purpose, which seems to me to be to make the information available more readily accessible to a broader portion of the population. I both studied and taught the classic texts and see no reason for Manne to rehash in detail what does not serve her intentions. She does a great job of grounding the theory and the research in recent and well known examples, as well as some lesser known but often more shocking incidents.<br><br>That, to me, is the strength of this book. This is not a book that wants to only preach to the choir and it also does not let any of us off the hook. We have been raised in this society and some of the ingrained assumptions built into the infrastructure has also infected our way of thinking, even if in subtle or unconscious ways. The idea is to begin to recognize the things we are all complicit in and make change. To stand up to and oppose the obvious (swimmers raping unconscious women next to dumpsters) as well as the casually accepted (a woman's tone of voice rather than what she is actually saying). Manne weaves these disturbing and infuriating examples with theory and research to arrive at some ways we can begin to improve society. There are some things we should all be entitled to as human beings, but little or nothing simply due to the accident of what sex we are assigned at birth.<br><br>There are many other very good books that overlap with this one but each, this one included, has a role to play to enlighten as many of us as possible. To suggest limiting one's reading to just a few of the classics of feminist thought and specific studies (but not using those studies as Manne does here) is both counter-productive and ultimately works for the benefit of male privilege and misogyny. Maybe this book didn't speak to you as you would have liked, well, it will and did speak to others so it is playing a valuable part in making change. Keep the faux-intellectual one upsMANship or "was done already" to yourself, it works against the rest of us trying to eliminate male privilege and misogyny.<br><br>Highly recommended for readers who might seem overwhelmed by so many incidents that they tend to blend together as all being variations on a theme. That theme is broken down here and the differences between what enables each type of act become clearer. The sheer volume of events is still overwhelming but by knowing which actually fall under what umbrella it is easier to work against it.<br><br>Reviewed from a copy made available by the publisher via NetGalley.<span id="rate-u_79f61aa1" title="5 Stars" aria-title="5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="10" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="9" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_185259562" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_185259562">3</span> <img title="3 members found this review helpful" id="rvi_185259562" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_185259562" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_185259562" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_185259562" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_185259562"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/pomo58" target="_top">pomo58</a> | <a href="/work/24451156/reviews" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled-How-Male-Privilege-Hurts-Women" class="" >6 other reviews</a> | Jun 22, 2020 | <a href="/review/185259562"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_184449551" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/1984826557.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/24451156" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled" class="" >Entitled</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>I really liked Manne’s previous Down Girl, despite not having much of an appetite for philosophical throat-clearing; Manne’s philosophical approach did illuminate important distinctions between sexism and misogyny (the enforcement arm of sexism, not requiring any particular sexist attitudes of enforcers) and the importance to misogyny of recognizing women’s humanity, but only as a servile humanity (despite comparisons to animals, misogyny regards women as distinctively owing men particular kinds of deference and service). Manne is also a witty writer with a weakness matching my own for chiasmus. Here, though, there’s not much you can’t get from any other feminist writer—if you haven’t read Down Girl, definitely do that instead. Manne writes about things like entitlement to sex—which can work well in a system that theoretically punishes rape harshly, because when it doesn’t punish many rapes at all, it demonstrates that the law and its enforcers regard victims as “cut-rate persons.”<br><br>Manne also discusses research such as that explored in Caroline Criado-Perez’s Invisible Women (also recommended). For example, she nicely explores the idea that men are reluctant to ask for help, especially medical help. This idea means that when they do complain, their complaints are taken more seriously, and it also means that women are assumed to seek help readily (and disregarded when they do), even though women may have very good reasons for their own reluctance to seek help except in the worst situations. So while male under-usage of health care is constructed as a social problem, we get a contrasting expectation that women overuse health care—without additional inquiry into whether that is true. At the same time, men and women overvalue male pain: crying infants are rated as experiencing more pain when observers think they are male. “Do we think men’s pain should be taken more seriously because we tend to regard them as more stoical? Or do we regard them as more stoical because, at least in many settings, we tend to take their pain more seriously?”<br><br>For another bit of infuriating research, Manne points to work on women in power. Women leaders who are perceived as just as competent as men are perceived as much less likeable. This perception can be fought if observers think the leader is caring and thoughtful for subordinates—but only, importantly, if they think it’s a character trait and not something done for instrumental reasons. And there’s the trap: many people think that anything a powerful woman does is inauthentic.<span id="rate-u_4fbe9284" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_184449551" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_184449551">2</span> <img title="2 members found this review helpful" id="rvi_184449551" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_184449551" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_184449551" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_184449551" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_184449551"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/rivkat" target="_top">rivkat</a> | <a href="/work/24451156/reviews" data-workid="24451156" data-title="Entitled" class="" >6 other reviews</a> | Jun 2, 2020 | <a href="/review/184449551"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_182524958" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>a tough but important read. She explores the violent online cults that foment mass shootings, the repugnant election coverage (nothing has changed for 2020) and even some vile poems and stories by the beloved Shel Silverstein, and the roots of it all: shame-based morality policing.<span id="rate-u_6b49bd21" title="5 Stars" aria-title="5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="10" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="9" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_182524958" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_182524958"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_182524958" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_182524958" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_182524958" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_182524958"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/ThomasPluck" target="_top">ThomasPluck</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Apr 27, 2020 | <a href="/review/182524958"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_179717128" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>I loved this book. It's worth every bit of the hype I'd been hearing. <br><br>Manne makes a very compelling case for seeing misogyny as an enforcement mechanism designed to keep women in a subservient, service-providing position in relation to men, rather than a psychological disease or feeling of hatred for women. It is philosophy, and she writes like a philosopher and a logician, but it's still pithy and clever and straightforward. Highly recommended--for everyone--though of course the people who most need to read it are the least likely to and wouldn't be swayed by her argument anyway. Or at least wouldn't see the problem with wanting to keep half of humanity providing "loving, affectionate subservience with a smile," as she puts it, to the other half. <br><br>She also makes a case for seeing misogyny not as dehumanization (the argument often made that misogynists don't see women as people or human) but as positioning women as a specific kind of service-providing human, but I'm not sure that I'm as convinced on that score, not because I think she's wrong about the service-providing part, but because I don't think it's as incompatible with dehumanization as she states it to be.<br><br>On the whole, though, it's compelling and clear and convincing.<span id="rate-u_c429b792" title="5 Stars" aria-title="5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="10" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="9" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_179717128" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_179717128">2</span> <img title="2 members found this review helpful" id="rvi_179717128" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_179717128" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_179717128" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_179717128" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_179717128"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/andrea_mcd" target="_top">andrea_mcd</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Mar 10, 2020 | <a href="/review/179717128"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_174929913" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>An excellent analysis of what misogyny is, how it works and why it is important to know this. Not the cheeriest book I ever read, but more than worth it. And if you want to know more, please buy the book.<span id="rate-u_c9d6628b" title="5 Stars" aria-title="5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="10" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="9" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_174929913" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_174929913"> </span> </span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_174929913" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_174929913" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_174929913" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_174929913"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/TheoSmit" target="_top">TheoSmit</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Nov 1, 2019 | <a href="/review/174929913"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_155993956" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-girl-the-logic-of-misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-girl-the-logic-of-misogyny" class="" >Down girl : the logic of misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Kate Manne, <em>Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</em>: Manne is a philosopher; this book makes a series of very fine distinctions about misogyny that are probably only interesting to people who really like definitional discussions. But it’s also full of snappy phrases and sharp observations (as well as those that are perhaps too clever by half, like “himpathy” for the phenomenon in which we as a society extend our concern to white male perpetrators instead of to their victims). For example, Manne notes that, given the incentives patriarchy puts in place, it would be odd to encounter a misogynist who doesn’t like at least one woman who has treated him as more important than she is; defining misogyny as hating all women is missing the point. Instead, misogyny is about treating men as entitled to care and deference from women, and lashing out when that doesn’t occur—often by treating some women as stand-ins for the specific women who’ve denied a man the loving attention to which he feels entitled, as with Elliot Rodger’s crimes. Refusals of deference are often treated as revealing a flaw in a woman’s chracter—she has broken a promise, lied, failed to live up to her side of the bargain. Manne argues that this was a big reason why so many people thought that Hillary Clinton was untrustworthy.<br><br>Misogyny is not thinking that women aren’t people; one doesn’t expect deference, as such, from non-people. One doesn’t generally want to humiliate and demean non-people. People, indeed, can pose a particular kind of threat—recognizing that a woman is human makes her potentially dangerous to a man’s status in ways that non-people aren’t. She is not a human being, but a human giver, “a woman who is held to owe many if not most of her distinctively human capacities to a suitable boy or man, ideally, and his children, as applicable.” You can’t insult an animal by calling it an animal. Instead, misogyny is punitive: it is the whip hand of patriarchy. Misogyny is believing that women are a kind of people who owe deference and deserve punishment when not deferential in various ways. Misogynists take it <em>personally</em> when women fail to defer or give them loving care, the latter of which, as she points out, is actually a good thing, and understandable to want, which is part of what makes the idea of women owing it so appealing. Misogyny happens when a woman “<em>errs</em> as a giver—including by refusing to be one whatsoever—or he is dissatisfied as a customer, not least because a personalized giver fails to materialize.”<br><br>I liked some of the in-depth distinctions she made, such as her rejection of the argument that misogyny is really about insecurity. Manne points out that this is also probably a big driver of anti-Semitic and other racist hatreds, but those people are still anti-Semites and racists. “The fact that the people who are liable to channel misogynist social forces have various anxieties and other psychological and social adjustment problems is hardly surprising. How is this supposed to mitigate the problem facing <em>women</em> though? When one’s effigy is one’s body, one burns right along with it.” <br><br>Thus, Manne argues, we should think of misogyny from the perspective of its targets/victims, not from the perpetrator’s perspective. Misogyny isn’t a matter of day to day attitudes; it’s a set of active maneuvers that put women in their place. Instead of being about beliefs, misogyny is about <em>desires</em> “that ask the world be kept or brought in line with a patriarchal order.” Thus women’s refusals to submit are viscerally disgusting. Misogyny “transforms impersonal disappointments into embittered resentment,” and also drives misogynists to treat relationships with women unknown to him as intimate ones (thus authorizing his disgust and other punitive responses). <br><br>Sexism makes distinctions between men and women; misogyny distinguishes the good women from the bad ones for the purpose of punishing the latter. “Sexism wears a lab coat; misogyny goes on witch hunts.” I also loved her later point about presuming that discrimination is the cause of differential outcomes: “You speculated we didn’t belong in the room, while we were in it. We ware within our rights, having stayed, to posit theories that you may find discomfiting.” Trump, then, offers the example of misogyny without necessarily having sexist beliefs about women’s capabilities. He doesn’t underestimate them, but he needs to control them. <br><br>Manne also has a really powerful discussion of men who murder their families as feeling an entitled shame that leads them to want to destroy the eyes of those who (they imagine) might look on them as failed men. They often kill themselves afterwards; she suggests that they thought that the admiration of their families, especially “their” women, was necessary to their survival, and then they enacted that belief.<br><br>Owing men care makes lots of things harder for women, whether it’s competing with them for the presidency or college teaching (where women are penalized for not caring enough about students as individuals and men aren’t, and Manne points out tha the bigger the class, the harder that individualization is). In teaching evaluations, female professors are more often rated as “mean, nasty, cold, unfair, and above all <em>fake</em>” than men are.<br><br>Misogyny is also not really reachable by sufficient empathy. I completely agreed with Manne’s criticism of Arlie Hochschild’s Strangers in Their Own Land, about rural Louisiana conservatives. “Listening and offering sympathy to those who are prone to shame-based misogynistic as well as racist outbursts is feeding the very need and sense of entitlement that drives them in the first place…. You can’t do much to <em>help</em> or <em>give</em> to someone who, yes, is in genuine pain and lashing out—but only because they feel too needy and illicitly entitled to getting such moral attentions to begin with.”<span id="rate-u_21aca3e0" title="4 Stars" aria-title="4 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="8" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="7" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_155993956" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_155993956">8</span> <img title="8 members found this review helpful" id="rvi_155993956" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_155993956" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_155993956" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_155993956" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_155993956"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/rivkat" target="_top">rivkat</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-girl-the-logic-of-misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | May 14, 2018 | <a href="/review/155993956"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_150115154" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>A strong entry from a moral philosopher about the ubiquity of misogyny and misogynistic cultures. She challenges the idea that misogyny is about truly hating every woman, and reintroduces the concept around which the term was originally built, a society that operates in such a way as to police the actions of women to maintain a patriarchal culture. There are some arguments she makes that I am not sure I agree with, at least in part, but she does make a strong argument and her ideas are definitely worth considering. She finishes up the book with a comparison of the experiences of Julia Gillard and Hillary Clinton, and takes on those who try to blame the entirety of the 2016 election on Clinton, demonstrating numerous ways in which misogyny played a key role in electing a key misogynist (strange, I know, but well....). She starts out looking at the Elliot Rodger case, and the many arguments people made against those killings being misogynistic, and moves forward through society, focused primarily on American society. Some may criticize her tendency to focus on educated white women, but she does address that issue, and feels that intersectionality is quite important, but that she does not have the required knowledge base to address that fully. She does do a section on what is becoming known as "misogynoir", and her arguments that misogyny gives a double whammy to women of color are powerful and convincing, if you needed any convincing about such an obvious factor of our society. Well worthwhile if for no other reason than the coinage of what could turn out to be extremely useful new words: himpathy (such as expressed for the males who are accused of rape, and even in the face of confession or conviction) and herasure, the tendency to center the story of the rape around the pain and suffering of the male perp, and erase the pain and suffering of the victim. She also has one of the best discussions of female misogyny that I've read. Everyone should read this, but I am not foolish enough to think it will convince those who are committed to the perks of a misogynistic society.<span id="rate-u_7c12c33d" title="4.5 Stars" aria-title="4.5 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="9" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="4" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="0" class="ratehalf selected" >½</i></span></div><div id="rfd_150115154" class="reviewFlagDialogBox"></div><div class="commentFooter"><span class="reviewMods"><span class="reviewVoteInfo"><span class="reviewVoteCount" id="rvc_150115154">1</span> <img title="1 member found this review helpful" id="rvi_150115154" alt="vote" src="https://image.librarything.com/pics/voteup-y.gif"></span><span class="reviewFlags"><div id="reviewflags_given_150115154" class="reviewflags_given hideme">Flagged<span id="rfi1_150115154" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as not a review" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_notreview"></i></span><span id="rfi2_150115154" class="hideme" > <i title="Flagged as abuse" class="fas fa-flag-alt reviewflags_abuse"></i></span></span></div><span id="rfrf_150115154"> </span></span></span> <span class="controlItems ci3"><a href="/profile/Devil_llama" target="_top">Devil_llama</a> | <a href="/work/20624389/reviews" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >10 other reviews</a> | Jan 13, 2018 | <a href="/review/150115154"><i class="fas fa-link"></i></a></span> </div></div></div><div class="bookReview"><div class="bookReview_content"><div id="brtext_149175926" class="commentText brslop"><div class="brev_cover"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" ><img src="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX100_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" srcset="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 2x, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/P/0190604980.01._SX300_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg 3x" class="bookReview_cover cover" /></a></div><div class="commentHeader"><div class="postinfo"><a href="/work/20624389" data-workid="20624389" data-title="Down-Girl-The-Logic-of-Misogyny" class="" >Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny</a> by <a href="/author/mannekate">Kate Manne</a></div></div>Update: The author contacted me and told me that the galley I read and reviewed was changed significantly before publication and that many of my criticisms were addressed before publication. I will be reading the published copy soon and may revise my review. <br><br>Down Girl is a measured consideration of misogyny, not as the simplistic hatred of women, but the structural, systemic structures and beliefs that serve to keep women down, in their place. It is an academic book, despite its title that suggests a more popular audience. Kate Manne lays the foundation thoroughly for her assertions and makes a persuasive argument for a more comprehensive understanding of misogyny. It just so happens that is the way many people, particularly women, are using the word anyway.<br><br>This is important and necessary work because just as with racism, there is concerted effort to define misogyny in the most limited, restrictive sense so everyone, even Elliott Rodger, the mass murderer who left a video manifesto explaining why he was setting out to murder women,, is acquitted of being a misogynist. With American opinion leaders arguing Elliott Rodger is not a misogynist, it reminds me of David Duke saying he is not a racist.<br><br>In Manne’s view, misogyny is not as much about hating women as it is about keeping women in the women’s sphere, where they gaze adoringly and defer to their men. It is about making sure women pay attention to men’s needs rather than fulfill their own, about making sure women don’t challenge men, or seek positions that are thought to be men’s jobs. There are mountains of depressing studies proving, again and again, that ambitious women are seen as dishonest, fake, cold, cunning, dishonest, and every other pejorative adjective you can recall from the 2016 election. Submit the same resume with a man’s name and a woman’s name, the man will be seen as more qualified. Preface the resumes with the information they have the same qualifications, the woman will be seen as unlikable. Does that sound familiar?<br><br>I agree with Kate Manne’s argument and think this topic is vital, but I struggled far too much reading Down Girl. It’s a book of philosophy full of the taxonomy of philosophy with sentences like “The implicit modus ponens here is too seldom tollensed.” or “”Quasi-contrapositive moral psychological claim”. This stuff makes me want to cry because it means that this book will not be widely read. This matters! Misogyny kills women, so why seek the smallest possible audience?<br><br>Manne also overused footnotes. She has endnotes for her sources and uses footnotes to make arguments and forestall critiques of her argument. She needs to just incorporate that into her text and not use footnotes to avoid reworking the text to address the critiques. There are pages that have more footnotes than text. It’s disruptive. In one chapter, there’s one narrative in text and another in footnotes. Just do two chapters or fight it out in the main text of the chapter.<br><br>Here’s the thing. I am smart and well-read and I came so close to giving up on this book time and time again…and this is a topic I care about and am very interested in. I recognize the bad cold I have been struggling with probably impeded my comprehension, but I asked my best friend, a college professor who teaches neuroscience to read it and she read and few pages and just shook her head.<br><br>This is not just Kate Manne’s fault. I have read her articles in magazines and know she is capable of communicating well. In this book, sometimes her humor and wit shine through. The whole thing with the footnotes? She needed some editor to tell her to cut it out.<br><br>It’s possible her desired audience is only other academics, but why give it the title Down Girl that calls up popular culture then? Besides, we need these ideas to get out of academia and into popular culture.<br><br>I received an e-galley Down Girl of from the publisher through NetGalley.<br><br>Down Girl at Oxford University Press<br>Kate Manne author site<br><br><a href="https://tonstantweaderreviews.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/9780190604981/" rel="nofollow" target="_top">https://tonstantweaderreviews.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/9780190604981/</a><span id="rate-u_38255cfc" title="2 Stars" aria-title="2 Stars" class="rating rating-style-306 " data-fn="ratingWidget_fromSettingsA" ><span class="rw"><input type="hidden" value="4" name="form_rating" id="form_rating"/></span><i data-rating_value="2" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="3" class="fas fa-star selected" ></i><i data-rating_value="6" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i><i data-rating_value="8" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i><i data-rating_value="10" class=" fas fa-star empty" ></i></span></div><div id="rfd_149175926" 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