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href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic">Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was redirect to <a href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_2_athlete" title="Template:Flag IOC 2 athlete">Template:Flag IOC 2 athlete</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241005001400-Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic">Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic</a> (<a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" title="Template talk:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3AFlag+IOC+athlete+non-Olympic&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3AFlag+IOC+athlete+non-Olympic">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Redundant to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_2_athlete" title="Template:Flag IOC 2 athlete">Flag IOC 2 athlete</a>}}. <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic">Flag IOC athlete non-Olympic</a>|Mark Spitz|USA}}</code> (<img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/33px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/44px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/> Mark Spitz (<abbr title="United States">USA</abbr>)) can be replaced with <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_2_athlete" title="Template:Flag IOC 2 athlete">Flag IOC 2 athlete</a>|Mark Spitz|USA}}</code> (<img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/33px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/44px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/> Mark Spitz (<abbr title="United States">USA</abbr>)) --<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht">TALK PAGE</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Ahecht-20240927190000-Template:Flag_IOC_athlete_non-Olympic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a>, thanks for catching this redundancy. As the sole author I redirected it to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Flag_IOC_2_athlete" title="Template:Flag IOC 2 athlete">Flag IOC 2 athlete</a>}}, so I think this can be closed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Habst" title="User:Habst">Habst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Habst" title="User talk:Habst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Habst-20240927190500-Ahecht-20240927190000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Close Redirected to used template. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Ahecht-20240927190000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. 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No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname-September_27-20240927151300"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241005001300-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of Suriname (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Suriname&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Suriname">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of Suriname/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> The only real English article linked is the embassy in the Netherlands. The India entry is a redirect. Pointless to have a nav box for 1 entry. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927151300-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Suriname" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia-September_27-20240927151100"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241005001300-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+North+Macedonia&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+North+Macedonia">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of North Macedonia/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Pointless to have a nav box for 1 English entry. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927151100-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Macedonia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador-September_27-20240927145900"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241005001200-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Ecuador&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Ecuador">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of Ecuador/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Pointless to have a nav box with just 2 entries. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927145900-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Ecuador" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927145900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon-September_27-20240927144800"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241005001100-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of Gabon (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Gabon&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Gabon">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of Gabon/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Only has 1 English entry. Pointless for a nav box. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927144800-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Gabon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Module:Geological_range" data-mw-thread-id="h-Module:Geological_range-September_27-20240927132900"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Module:Geological_range&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Module:Geological range (page does not exist)">Module:Geological range</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Module:Geological range">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004133700-Module:Geological_range" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Module:Geological_range&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Module:Geological range (page does not exist)">Module:Geological range</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Geological_range&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Module talk:Geological range (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Module:Geological_range" title="Special:PageHistory/Module:Geological range">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FModule%3AGeological+range&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Module%3AGeological+range">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Geological_range/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Geological range/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Unused module. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927132900-Module:Geological_range" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927132900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates-September_27-20240927130500">Replace and delete lang-?? templates</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Replace and delete lang-?? templates">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was merge to <a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">Template:Langx</a>, then replace and delete. Please note the excluded templates on the given subpage list. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Primefac-20241007131100-Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a> updated 14:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC) by request to be explicit[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] Replace and delete the approximately 1145 <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates</a> with the single template <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code>. The <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates are all more-or-less forks of some ancient ancestor. Like <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>}}</code> the primary purpose of these templates is to render non-English text in a way that is html-correct and compliant with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Non-English_terms" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Manual of Style</a>. <code>{{langx}}</code> uses the same rendering code as the <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates so, given the same language tag and text, renders an identical output: <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{lang-es|casa}}</code> → {{lang-es|casa}}</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: <i lang="es">casa</i></code> → <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish</a>: casa</dd></dl> Like <code>{{lang}}</code>, <code>{{langx}}</code> supports all of the 8000+ languages listed in the IANA <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-registry">language-subtag-registry file</a>. <code>{{lang-??}}</code>: one template for one language; <code>{{langx}}</code>: one template for 8000 languages. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Background</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> The <code>{{lang-??}}</code> and <code>{{langx}}</code> templates differ from <code>{{lang}}</code> in that they prefix the non-English text with a link to the language article name: <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang|es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><span title="Spanish-language text"><i lang="es">casa</i></span></code> → casa</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{lang-es|casa}}</code> → {{lang-es|casa}}</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: <i lang="es">casa</i></code> → <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish</a>: casa</dd></dl> For editors who need another language template, their options til now have been: <ol><li>fork a new <code>{{lang-??}}</code> template</li> <li>use the <code>lang_xx_italic()</code> utility function in <code>{{lang}}</code> <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang|code=es|text=casa|fn=lang_xx_italic}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: <i lang="es">casa</i>[[Category:Pages using Lang-xx templates]]</code> → <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish</a>: casa</dd></dl></li> <li>manually prepend a language-article link to <code>{{lang}}</code>: <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: {{lang|es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: <span title="Spanish-language text"><i lang="es">casa</i></span></code> →<a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish</a>: casa</dd></dl></li> <li>create the template using <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Language_with_name" title="Template:Language with name">language with name</a>}}</code> (which more-or-less does what item 3 does...)</li> <li>do it all manually (not recommended because not html correct): <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: ''casa''</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: ''casa''</code> → <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish</a>: casa</dd></dl></li></ol> Previous TfDs related to language tagging: <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_14#ISO_639_name_from_code_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 14">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 14 § ISO 639 name from code templates</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_July_5#Link_language_wrappers" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 July 5">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 July 5 § Link language wrappers</a> (part 1), <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_February_23#remaining_link_language_wrappers" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 February 23">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 February 23 § remaining link language wrappers</a> (part 2)</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_5#Wiktionary_link_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 August 5">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 August 5 § Wiktionary link templates</a> (fewer templates involved but still related to language tagging)</dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> At this writing template tagging is underway. There are editors who dislike the invasive nature of TfD tags. To minimize annoyance, only instances of <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-de&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-de (page does not exist)">lang-de</a>}}</code> will display TfD tags. —<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500-Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Tagging done.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240927154000-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd></dd> <dd>Added <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates#the_first_addendum" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates § the first addendum</a>.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240930134000-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Added <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates#the_second_addendum" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates § the second addendum</a>.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241001104500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>As the creator of {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ymm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ymm (page does not exist)">lang-ymm</a>}}, I did not get notified. Could you please send notifications to the template creators? This seems quite stealthy with neither notifications being sent nor TfD tags being displayed apart from a single instance of over 1000 templates. <a href="/wiki/User:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4" title="Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4">4</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240928181400-Trappist_the_monk-20241001104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I did write in the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500-Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates">OP</a>: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">At this writing template tagging is underway. There are editors who dislike the invasive nature of TfD tags. To minimize annoyance, only instances of <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-de&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-de (page does not exist)">lang-de</a>}}</code> will display TfD tags.</q> I chose not to notify the authors of the 1145 templates because it is a deal of work to research who they are and then notify them. I will if compelled to but would rather not.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240928190300-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240928181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It just seems like this TfD is hardly visible to anyone apart from TfD regulars and people who happened to stumble across a specific template from the set. <a href="/wiki/User:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4" title="Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4">4</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240930235200-Trappist_the_monk-20240928190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok, I set <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ru (page does not exist)">lang-ru</a>}}</code> to display the tiny TfD notification. If you think that is still insufficient, a list of 'high-use' <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates is at <a href="/wiki/Module:Transclusion_count/data/L#L-13--L-74" title="Module:Transclusion count/data/L">Module:Transclusion_count/data/L lines 13–74</a>. Feel free to change <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|type=disabled</code> to <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|type=tiny</code> in whichever template(s) you think appropriate; remember, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-zh" title="Template:Lang-zh">lang-zh</a>}}</code> is not party to this nomination.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241001112900-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240930235200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hey, thanks for the tag. If I understand correctly, if you turn, say, {{lang-ru|Москва|Moskva}} into {{langx|ru|Москва|Moskva}}, it will all still work fine? It appears so. I didn't know {{langx}} even existed until now, I've always used the {{lang-..}} template by copying it from existing pages. It seems rather cumbersome and duplicative compared to the universally applicable {{langx}}. <a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">NLeeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw#top" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20241001143500-Trappist_the_monk-20241001112900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You understand correctly. You didn't know about <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> because it didn't exist before 2024-09-20.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241001150800-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20241001143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm seeing one problem with the langx template when used for certain languages: it uses an italic font. Italic fonts do not go well with Cyrillic scripts (and probably other non-Latin scripts) because italic letters in Cyrillic look very different from non-italic letters. Examples of two words first written in non-italics and then followed by the same word in italics: <code>театр</code> = <code>театр</code> and <code>добывать</code> = <code>добывать</code>. I checked lanx|ru and saw that you accounted for that and that the letters are not displayed in italics for Russian, however, for more obscure Cyrillic languages langx is still using italics which needs to be fixed before deleting lang-??, e.g. {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>|xal-Ru|хурул}} still renders in italics: <a href="/wiki/Kalmyk_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Kalmyk language">Kalmyk</a>: хурул.</dd> <dd>Also, who's going to replace all the usages of {{lang-??}}? <a href="/wiki/User:Nakonana" title="User:Nakonana">Nakonana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nakonana" title="User talk:Nakonana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Nakonana-20241002133700-Trappist_the_monk-20241001150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oversight on my part (there are only 1150+ templates ...). <code>xal-RU</code> fixed: <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-xal-RU|хурул}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{lang-xal-RU|хурул}}</code> → {{lang-xal-RU|хурул}}</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|xal-RU|хурул}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Kalmyk language|Kalmyk]]: <span lang="xal-RU">хурул</span></code> → <a href="/wiki/Kalmyk_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Kalmyk language">Kalmyk</a>: хурул</dd></dl></dd> <dd>If you find other oversights, tell me.</dd> <dd></dd> <dd>I've written a <a href="/wiki/User:Monkbot/task_20:_Replace_lang-xx_templates" title="User:Monkbot/task 20: Replace lang-xx templates">bot</a> that I'm just about to take to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRFA">WP:BRFA</a>.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241002135800-Nakonana-20241002133700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Glad Nakonana pointed it out and Trappist the monk fixed it. I only recently learnt understand Cyrillic letters, and italicised they are still very confusing. Great work, all this, Trappist. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">NLeeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw#top" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20241002193400-Trappist_the_monk-20241002135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Thanks for the quick fix :) <a href="/wiki/User:Nakonana" title="User:Nakonana">Nakonana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nakonana" title="User talk:Nakonana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Nakonana-20241002195500-Trappist_the_monk-20241002135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a>, other oversight is <a href="/wiki/Church_Slavonic" title="Church Slavonic">Church Slavonic</a> (chu). <a href="/wiki/Church_Slavonic_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Church Slavonic language">Church Slavonic</a>: Житие моеcode: chu promoted to code: cu . <a href="/wiki/User:Trasheater_Midir" title="User:Trasheater Midir">Trasheater Midtier</a>🐉(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trasheater_Midir" title="User talk:Trasheater Midir">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trasheater_Midir-20241002210000-Trappist_the_monk-20241002135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've added a temporary fix for redirects from improper names to proper ISO 639-1 language tags. <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-chu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-chu (page does not exist)">lang-chu</a>}}</code> works because it is a redirect to <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-cu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-cu (page does not exist)">lang-cu</a>}}</code> (the correct language tag). While your example now accepts <code>chu</code> and renders the text correctly, the template is emitting a <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239334494">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output div:not(.notheme)>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output p>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output table:not(.notheme) .tmp-color{color:inherit!important}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output div:not(.notheme)>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output p>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output table:not(.notheme) .tmp-color{color:inherit!important}}</style>code: chu promoted to code: cu maintenance message. I'm not sure that I'll make the same fix for the ISO 639-2, -3 tags.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241002232900-Trasheater_Midir-20241002210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Replace usages with {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">Langx</a>}} and delete all lang-?? templates. The current system of creating and maintaining over 1.1k templates (with the protentional of it increasing to 8k templates) is a bad system to keep. <ul><li>It always requires active maintenance. If in the future a feature is added, support will need to be manually added to those templates that need it. Here is a very recent example of a template request from a user <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Lang#Template-protected_edit_request_on_18_September_2024" title="Template talk:Lang">requesting to add categories</a> or <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ALang-tdd&diff=1247135840&oldid=1028553244">Template:Lang-tdd</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ALang-prk&diff=1247136851&oldid=1051539217">Template:Lang-prk</a>, which converted the templates to the newer lang system.</li> <li>It requires watching over 1k templates to make sure everything is ok and no vandalism or accidental breakage happens. Here is an example of something slipped through and stayed undetected for over 2 years: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-clm&diff=prev&oldid=1247105142">Template:Lang-clm had over two years a broken category</a></li> <li>New templates are always being created. Some of them are created for no real reason and left unused: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-mtm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-mtm (page does not exist)">Template:Lang-mtm</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-nio&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-nio (page does not exist)">Template:Lang-nio</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ohu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ohu (page does not exist)">Template:Lang-ohu</a> examples of recently created templates (and currently unused).</li></ul></dd> <dd>The proposed system eliminates all of this and has everything located in one template. For users the change is only one additional character more so is a non-issue. As shown in the proposal, related systems, have previously been converted with much success. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927134400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have no particular preference but would like to point out that the old label seems to allow for the easy creation of new labels, split offs, and mergers of linguistic varieties ("languages"). Is this correct?</dd> <dd>Why is that important? Linguistics has begun to acknowledge the dynamic nature of the notion "language": what used to be, e.g., German in LUX, is now called Luxembourgish, while Belgian German is something else today. Another example: new languages are being discovered, usually as split offs from what was homogenizingly been considered one language. The language count on Ethnologue increases by about 50 languages a year.</dd> <dd>We need a system that allows for an easy change, with the option to list dual classifications when consensus hasn't been reached and two - or more - classifications are in widespread use. <a href="/wiki/User:MinTrouble" title="User:MinTrouble">MinTrouble</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MinTrouble" title="User talk:MinTrouble">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-MinTrouble-20240929153400-Gonnym-20240927134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>The x in the name is for "explicit label", as opposed to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>}}? --<a href="/wiki/User:Joy" title="User:Joy">Joy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joy" title="User talk:Joy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Joy-20240927143700-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I originally wanted <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-xx" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Lang-xx">lang-xx</a>}}</code> but that name is already in use. Unable to think of a better name, we settled on <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> where the 'x' is an arbitrary character to disambiguate from <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>}}</code> so it can mean anything you want it to mean. If you have a better name...</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240927154000-Joy-20240927143700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Support merge. A better name, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_namespace#Guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Template namespace">Wikipedia:Template namespace#Guidelines</a> (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Template function should be clear from the template name, but redirects can be created to assist everyday use of very popular templates</q>), would be helpful. I'm fine with "langx" as a redirect, but ideally, the canonical template name should be something like "Language text" or "Non-English text" or "Text in language", all of which are currently available names. There is probably a better name that I am unable to come up with at the moment. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Jonesey95-20240927171000-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Labeled_language_text&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Labeled language text (page does not exist)">Labeled language text</a>}}? --<a href="/wiki/User:Joy" title="User:Joy">Joy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joy" title="User talk:Joy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Joy-20240927173200-Jonesey95-20240927171000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Please, can we not decide that here? Please take up that discussion at another venue, perhaps <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Lang" title="Template talk:Lang">Template talk:Lang</a>. The ultimate name of the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> template has nothing to do with the proposition at hand. Eschew <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIKESHED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIKESHED">WP:BIKESHEDING</a>.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240927184800-Jonesey95-20240927171000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't think there's much argument against the replacement, but it is relevant what it is replaced with, because that impacts the future editing of those tens or hundreds of thousands of pages, just like any other template name pattern does. Are you seriously saying we should do the replacements first and then hold a separate RFC for renaming that in turn? That seems like much more flagrant <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTBURO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTBURO">WP:NOTBURO</a> violation to me, because we'd explicitly avoid fixing both problems at once. --<a href="/wiki/User:Joy" title="User:Joy">Joy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joy" title="User talk:Joy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Joy-20240928075000-Trappist_the_monk-20240927184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please don't put words into my mouth that I have not spoken. I suggested another venue so that editors who are interested can hash out the details of which template name is best to propose. Feel free to discuss a name change <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> → <code>{{<<var style="padding-right: 1px;">whatever</var>>}}</code> at any time and at anyplace but not here in this discussion. <code>{{langx}}</code> exists so a parallel TfD is an option. Agree on a better name and then start a TfD. All I want, here, is to avoid sidetracking this discussion (as we are doing now). If you do start another TfD, post a link to it here. Should this TfD conclude in the affirmative, I'm sure that implementation can be delayed until the conclusion of that rename TfD. There is no hurry.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240928120500-Joy-20240928075000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I mean your proposal is to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">replace and delete</q> this and the ultimate name has <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">nothing to do</q> with that, but it does, because before we delete lang-xx we have to replace all those transclusions with something, and if we use langx but people then want something else, then we have to do it twice, which is a ton of extra work for no tangible gain; choosing something first would prejudice the name choice later because most people would just say it's not worth the effort. If you think you were misunderstood, try being clearer next time. :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Joy" title="User:Joy">Joy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joy" title="User talk:Joy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Joy-20240929105100-Trappist_the_monk-20240928120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Did I not write: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><code>{{langx}}</code> exists so a parallel TfD is an option. Agree on a better name and then start a TfD.</q> Did I not write: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Should this TfD conclude in the affirmative, I'm sure that implementation can be delayed until the conclusion of that rename TfD. There is no hurry.</q> The <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> name will exist either as the canonical name or as a redirect to some other name. If this TfD concludes in the affirmative, the many upon many instances of the 1145-ish <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates will not be switched overnight. There is time to adust the process even after it has begun. Can we stop having this discussion here? Please take it to <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Lang" title="Template talk:Lang">Template talk:Lang</a> or my talk page.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240929130700-Joy-20240929105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Support. Replacing all usages with <code>{{langx}}</code> and deleting the templates makes the most sense to me, and it'll greatly minimize headaches later on I guess. Yes, might be a pain in the arse to replace all the usages, but it'll even out long term (and fwiw I think <code>{{langx}}</code> is a very servicable name for it) <a href="/wiki/User:HotMess" title="User:HotMess">🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HotMess" title="User talk:HotMess">talk</a>・<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HotMess" title="Special:Contributions/HotMess">edits</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-HotMess-20240927234900-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It might not necessarily be such a pain! <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Find_and_replace" title="Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Find and replace">AutoWikiBrowser</a> could semi-automate regex replacements of <code>\{\{lang-([a-z]{2,3}(?:-[a-z])*)\|</code> to <code>{{langx|$1|</code> to be at least less fiddly.</dd> <dd>This would obviously lean on the assumption that all <code>{{lang-XX}}</code> templates' <code>{{#invoke:lang}}</code> invocation work in the same way, so it'd need some testing still. <a href="/wiki/User:Mia_yun_Ruse" title="User:Mia yun Ruse">Mia</a> a data witch! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mia_yun_Ruse" title="User talk:Mia yun Ruse">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mia_yun_Ruse" title="Special:Contributions/Mia yun Ruse">contribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Mia_yun_Ruse-20240928053800-HotMess-20240927234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Alas, that regex doesn't work; try this (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://regex101.com/">regex101.com</a> is your friend): <dl><dd><code>\{\{[Ll]ang\-([a-zA-Z]{2,3}(?:-[a-zA-Z]*)*)\|</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>But, even a working regex is problematic because it will find-and-fix templates that it ought not find-and-fix: <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-sq-definite" title="Template:Lang-sq-definite">Lang-sq-definite</a>}}</code>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-rus" title="Template:Lang-rus">lang-rus</a>}}</code>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-grc-gre" title="Template:Lang-grc-gre">lang-grc-gre</a>}}</code>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-zh" title="Template:Lang-zh">lang-zh</a>}}</code>; there are others.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240928120500-Mia_yun_Ruse-20240928053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm not sure why we're discussing implementation details already, but compiling a template-by-template list of replacements in an xml file to load into AWB seems like the least error-prone solution. <a href="/wiki/User:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4" title="Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4">4</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240928181700-Trappist_the_monk-20240928120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I would rather not discuss implementation details here. If you wish to discuss this further, please use <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">my talk page</a> or <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Lang" title="Template talk:Lang">Template talk:Lang</a>.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240928190300-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240928181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Support. Although there are not as many problems with the lang-?? templates as there used to be due to the modularization of the class of templates, issues still remain and the maintenance burden is unnecessary. Further, Trappist is one of the most experienced template maintainers on Wikipedia, if they think this is necessary, then it almost certainly is. <a href="/wiki/User:Psi%C4%A5edelisto" title="User:Psiĥedelisto">Psiĥedelisto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Psi%C4%A5edelisto" title="User talk:Psiĥedelisto">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Psi%C4%A5edelisto" title="Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto">contribs</a>) please always <a href="/wiki/Help:Notifications" title="Help:Notifications">ping</a>! <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Psiĥedelisto-20240928020300-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support, makes perfect sense to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Renata3" title="User:Renata3">Renata</a>•<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renata3" title="User talk:Renata3">3</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Renata3-20240928041200-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support; beyond converting things over this seems like the most elegant and headache-free approach. It would help to modify the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Non-English-language_terms" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting">relevant MoS entry</a> when this is done too. No real objection to keeping it <code>{{langx}}</code> - it x-plicitly says the language name, which sets it aside from <code>{{lang}}</code>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mia_yun_Ruse" title="User:Mia yun Ruse">Mia</a> a data witch! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mia_yun_Ruse" title="User talk:Mia yun Ruse">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mia_yun_Ruse" title="Special:Contributions/Mia yun Ruse">contribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Mia_yun_Ruse-20240928054800-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support, <code>{{langx}}</code> is much simpler to use and understand. <a href="/wiki/User:Bunnypranav" title="User:Bunnypranav">Bunnypranav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bunnypranav" title="User talk:Bunnypranav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Bunnypranav-20240928114400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Will {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}} have presets for which languages to italicise and which not to, which to link and which not to, ...? I don't know if that's that much easier to maintain. <a href="/wiki/User:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4" title="Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4">4</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240928181300-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I wrote in the OP: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk"><code>{{langx}}</code> uses the same rendering code as the <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates so, given the same language tag and text, renders an identical output</q> and using your <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ymm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ymm (page does not exist)">lang-ymm</a>}}</code> as an example taken from <a href="/wiki/Lower_Shabelle" title="Lower Shabelle">Lower Shabelle</a>: <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-ymm|Shibelithy Hoosy}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{lang-ymm|Shibelithy Hoosy}}</code> → {{lang-ymm|Shibelithy Hoosy}}</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|ymm|Shibelithy Hoosy}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Maay language|Maay]]: <i lang="ymm">Shibelithy Hoosy</i></code> → <a href="/wiki/Maay_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Maay language">Maay</a>: Shibelithy Hoosy</dd></dl></dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240928190300-1234qwer1234qwer4-20240928181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Support per nom. <a href="/wiki/User:Kepler-1229b" title="User:Kepler-1229b">🪐Kepler-1229b</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kepler-1229b" title="User talk:Kepler-1229b">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kepler-1229b" title="Special:Contributions/Kepler-1229b">contribs🪐</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Kepler-1229b-20240928193500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment Do whatever it takes, but quickly, so as to remove the ugly "‹See Tfd›" markup in the articles. For the sake of sanity of old farts like me, I'd rather have old templates kept as redirects to preserve the old habits, but I can be taught simple new tricks, so this is not a big deal (unlike the urgency!). Full disclosure: I happen to know German a little bit, so I am one of the few ones being hurt. --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC" title="User:Викидим">Викидим</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC" title="User talk:Викидим">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Викидим-20240928214400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The convenient thing about the name <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> is that it is only one letter different from <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>}}</code>. Yeah, converting <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-de&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-de (page does not exist)">lang-de</a>|...}}</code> to <code>{{langx|de|...}}</code> is a two-character change but most of those conversions will be done by automation. Quickly depends on the community. If this TfD gets relisted, it will be a while; if not, TfDs usually last a week or so.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240929002400-Викидим-20240928214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well, then I hereby beg the <a href="/wiki/Powers_that_be" class="mw-redirect" title="Powers that be">powers that be</a> not to relist this TfD. IMHO the biggest issue here are the temporary stickers in the articles: since visually there will be no change (while I consider appearance of the current templates unsightly, I have no improvement proposals), I expect very little disruption. So I hereby Support the change for the sake of expediency. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC" title="User:Викидим">Викидим</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC" title="User talk:Викидим">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Викидим-20240929032400-Trappist_the_monk-20240929002400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Support and quickly, please. Let’s get the TfD tags out of the way ASAP <a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Wang" title="User:Dan Wang">Dan Wang</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dan_Wang" title="User talk:Dan Wang">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Dan_Wang-20240930202200-Викидим-20240928214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Question about process: What's the advantage of immediately replacing and deleting such templates, as opposed to converting them to wrappers and eventually replacing and deprecating their use? Abrupt changes can be harder for human editors to adjust to. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paul_012" title="User:Paul 012">Paul_012</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paul_012" title="User talk:Paul 012">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Paul_012-20240929021700-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't understand. What would the wrapper be? What would it wrap? Give a real life example please because I'm having trouble imagining where the benefit of such a process lies.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240929130700-Paul_012-20240929021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>IIUC, the wrapper would be to simply change the text of {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-de&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-de (page does not exist)">lang-de</a>}} from <code>{{#invoke:lang|lang_xx_italic|code=de}}</code> to <code>{{#invoke:langx|de}}</code>. I don't see how that requires any "process" at all — anyone could go do that today, if they cared enough. After that, the process of search-and-replacing all lang-de's into lang's would be tedious, but mechanical and obviously a no-op, and again I wouldn't expect anyone to care about it. In fact, it really seems to me like there's no upside or downside to any of this fiddling: the code for these lang-foo templates is already shared in a single place ({{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>}}). <a href="/wiki/User:Quuxplusone" title="User:Quuxplusone">Quuxplusone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quuxplusone" title="User talk:Quuxplusone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Quuxplusone-20240929160900-Trappist_the_monk-20240929130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yeah, I thought about that but, like you, I couldn't see an <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">upside ... to any of [that] fiddling</q>. And just a point of clarification, the sharing is not with <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang" title="Template:Lang">lang</a>}}</code> but with <a href="/wiki/Module:Lang" title="Module:Lang">Module:Lang</a> which supports all of the <code>{{lang}}</code>, <code>{{lang-??}}</code>, and <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> templates.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20240929172500-Quuxplusone-20240929160900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Support. Having a separate template for each language is an old way of doing things; if we now have ways to simplify the process by combining everything in one place, we should do that instead of grandfathering the old way. <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearcat" title="User talk:Bearcat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Bearcat-20240929152400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support, but a better name would probably be desirable. Also <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a>, would you mind checking {{<a href="/wiki/Template:IPA" title="Template:IPA">IPA</a>}} and all the forks {{<a href="/wiki/Template:IPA-xx" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:IPA-xx">IPA-xx</a>}} (<a href="/wiki/Category:IPA_language_templates" title="Category:IPA language templates">Category:IPA language templates</a>)? Regards and thanks for the work being done here, <a href="/wiki/User:RodRabelo7" title="User:RodRabelo7">RodRabelo7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RodRabelo7" title="User talk:RodRabelo7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-RodRabelo7-20240930061100-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support. I don't think <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">langx</code> is very clear to new users, but I can use it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Error" title="User:Error">Error</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Error" title="User talk:Error">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Error-20240930115500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support. This change makes perfect sense to me, and to be honest I never really saw a good reason to have all those separate language templates in the first place. <a href="/wiki/User:GommehGaming101" title="User:GommehGaming101">GommehGaming101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GommehGaming101" title="User talk:GommehGaming101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-GommehGaming101-20240930141800-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support. Makes sense to me. I hadn't even heard of {{langx}} until now; I've always used the {{lang-..}} template just by copying it from existing pages. It seems rather cumbersome and duplicative compared to the universally applicable {{langx}}. I'll happily switch now that I know it exists! <a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">NLeeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw#top" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20241001144500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NLeeuw&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NLeeuw (page does not exist)">NLeeuw</a>: That's because the nominator, Trappist the monk, created it just 2 weeks ago. <a href="/wiki/User:SUM1" title="User:SUM1">· • SUM1 • ·</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SUM1" title="User talk:SUM1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-SUM1-20241002043700-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20241001144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">Nederlandse Leeuw</a> fix ping Charlotte (<a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">Queen of Hearts</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Queen_of_Hearts" title="User talk:Queen of Hearts">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241005054600-SUM1-20241002043700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">NLeeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw#top" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20241005070300-Queen_of_Hearts-20241005054600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Support – I wonder if there is some way to make the tfd notification badge only show up for those of us who care about it, similar to the way we can make cs1 ref errors show up in preview, or the thing that makes unreliable sources get highlighted in red. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GA-RT-22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GA-RT-22 (page does not exist)">GA-RT-22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GA-RT-22" title="User talk:GA-RT-22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-GA-RT-22-20241001174700-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support: Seems much simpler to maintain, extend, debug, etc. -<a href="/wiki/User:Bryanrutherford0" title="User:Bryanrutherford0">Bryan Rutherford</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bryanrutherford0" title="User talk:Bryanrutherford0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Bryanrutherford0-20241001202700-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>support, much easier to manage and maintain ⇒ <a href="/wiki/User:Zhing%27za_z%C3%AF_%C3%8Fnin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Zhing'za zï Ïnin">Zhing-Za</a>, they/them, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Zhing'za_zï_Ïnin-20241001203500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Support merging but do not delete lang-xx templates. I would turn the lang-xx templates into wrappers of langx if only to not every instance of a lang-xx template in diffs turn into a redlink. –<a href="/wiki/User:Fredddie" title="User:Fredddie">Fredddie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fredddie" title="User talk:Fredddie">™</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Fredddie-20241001233400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Moderate support. Unifying the templates appears to simply things and have no disadvantages. I'm saying moderate support because I'm not well-versed in this beyond reading the proposal and some of the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Quirky_Kitty" title="User:The Quirky Kitty">The Quirky Kitty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Quirky_Kitty" title="User talk:The Quirky Kitty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-The_Quirky_Kitty-20241002134500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support merge per everyone else. Per Fredddie above, the lang-xx templates would act best as wrappers to mitigate disruption. <a href="/wiki/User:XtraJovial" title="User:XtraJovial">XtraJovial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XtraJovial" title="User talk:XtraJovial">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/XtraJovial" title="Special:Contributions/XtraJovial">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-XtraJovial-20241002200700-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Abstain I should note that personally writing the status quo template has become muscle memory, and I imagine for others It's a small difference and consistency is good, but why did this need to be changed? Langx is efficient but seems a little odd in form.--<a href="/wiki/User:Sigehelmus" title="User:Sigehelmus">~Sıgehelmus♗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sigehelmus" title="User talk:Sigehelmus">(Tøk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Sigehelmus-20241003012200-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support per nom. 三葉草 <a href="/wiki/User:%E4%B8%89%E8%91%89%E8%8D%89" title="User:三葉草">San</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%B8%89%E8%91%89%E8%8D%89" title="User talk:三葉草">Yeh</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%E4%B8%89%E8%91%89%E8%8D%89" title="Special:Contributions/三葉草">Tsao</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-三葉草-20241003020000-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>In principle I support this simplification. If I understand correctly, lang-zh is exempted because it has additional parameters beyond just displaying the language in an html tag? What other languages are exempt? Japanese, presumably? <a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike">Toadspike</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toadspike" title="User talk:Toadspike">[Talk]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Toadspike-20241003093800-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Whatever template that isn't tagged. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20241003101000-Toadspike-20241003093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd></dd> <dd><code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ja&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ja (page does not exist)">lang-ja</a>}}</code> is not excluded. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates#excluded_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates § excluded templates</a> for a list of templates known to be excluded – there may be others.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241003142200-Toadspike-20241003093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>support <a href="/wiki/User:ToadetteEdit" title="User:ToadetteEdit">ToadetteEdit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToadetteEdit" title="User talk:ToadetteEdit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-ToadetteEdit-20241003180400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support, but certain "nonstandard" templates, such as lang-rus and lang-zh should be excluded from replacement. <a href="/wiki/User:Occidental_Phantasmagoria" title="User:Occidental Phantasmagoria">Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria</a> [<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Occidental_Phantasmagoria" title="User talk:Occidental Phantasmagoria">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Occidental_Phantasmagoria" title="Special:Contributions/Occidental Phantasmagoria">C</a>] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Occidental_Phantasmagoria-20241003211400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates#excluded_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates § excluded templates</a> for a list of templates known to be excluded. If you are aware of others that should be excluded, name them.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241004134700-Occidental_Phantasmagoria-20241003211400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>As for what to do with the old templates, I would suggest maybe redirecting the 100 most used and deleting the rest, but I suppose we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Occidental_Phantasmagoria" title="User:Occidental Phantasmagoria">Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria</a> [<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Occidental_Phantasmagoria" title="User talk:Occidental Phantasmagoria">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Occidental_Phantasmagoria" title="Special:Contributions/Occidental Phantasmagoria">C</a>] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Occidental_Phantasmagoria-20241004185600-Occidental_Phantasmagoria-20241003211400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Merge for ease of maintanence. If there are any templates where this is infeasible without changing visible rendered output as identified by Occidental Phantasmagoria above then those can be excluded. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361" title="Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361">2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361-20241004022500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates#excluded_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates § excluded templates</a> for a list of templates known to be excluded. If you are aware of others that should be excluded, name them.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241004134700-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C139:184D:7DB5:3361-20241004022500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Looks good, I didn't do a thorough examination, but on perusal not seeing anything else that should obviously be excluded. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3003:3206:270E:4637" title="Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3003:3206:270E:4637">2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3003:3206:270E:4637</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3003:3206:270E:4637&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3003:3206:270E:4637 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3003:3206:270E:4637-20241004171300-Trappist_the_monk-20241004134700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Symbol_confirmed.svg/20px-Symbol_confirmed.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Symbol_confirmed.svg/30px-Symbol_confirmed.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Symbol_confirmed.svg/40px-Symbol_confirmed.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support for lang‑… templates that have a 1∶1 mapping of parameters to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}, i. e. you can essentially replace template names without any loss of information, <a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_declined.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="no" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/18px-Symbol_declined.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/27px-Symbol_declined.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/36px-Symbol_declined.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a> oppose for other templates such as {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-zh" title="Template:Lang-zh">lang-zh</a>}}. <a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_comment.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a> Comment: One could think of extending {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}} so a 1∶1 mapping {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Lang-zh" title="Template:Lang-zh">lang-zh</a>}} ↔ {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}} is achieved, but in the long‑term I’m afraid this will be a pain in the neck. ‑‑ <a href="/wiki/User:Kai_Burghardt" title="User:Kai Burghardt">K</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kai_Burghardt" title="User talk:Kai Burghardt">🗪</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kai_Burghardt" title="Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt">✍</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Kai_Burghardt-20241004044400-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27/lang-%3F%3F_templates#excluded_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates § excluded templates</a> for a list of templates known to be excluded. If you are aware of others that should be excluded, name them.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241004134700-Kai_Burghardt-20241004044400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Merge all {{lang-x}} templates with {{langx}}. <a href="/wiki/User:Hansen_Sebastian" title="User:Hansen Sebastian">Hansen Sebastian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hansen_Sebastian" title="User talk:Hansen Sebastian">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Hansen_Sebastian-20241004122000-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support These wrappers do not save enough work to justify maintaining thousands of them. <dl><dd><ul><li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{lang-<XY>|...</code> vs.</li> <li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{langx|<XY>|...</code></li></ul></dd> <dd>That's a difference of one keystroke vs. two. Improvise, adapt, overcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Paradoctor" title="User:Paradoctor">Paradoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradoctor" title="User talk:Paradoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Paradoctor-20241004153500-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>About right-to-left languages and languages that require changes in the font size: are {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ar (page does not exist)">lang-ar</a>}} and {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>|ar}} working the same? I propose to add TfD notification to {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ar (page does not exist)">lang-ar</a>}}. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikisaurus" title="User:Wikisaurus">Wikisaurus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikisaurus" title="User talk:Wikisaurus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Wikisaurus-20241004222600-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Arabic: <ul><li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-ar|اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ}}</code> → {{code|lang=html|{{lang-ar|اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ}}}} → {{lang-ar|اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ}}</li> <li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|ar|اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Arabic language|Arabic]]: <span lang="ar" dir="rtl">اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ</span></code> → <a href="/wiki/Arabic_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Arabic language">Arabic</a>: اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ</li></ul></dd> <dd>Balti, the only template that I know of that sets <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|size=</code>; apparently written with two scripts: <ul><li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-bft|སྦལ་འཐུས་}}</code> → {{code|lang=html|{{lang-bft|སྦལ་འཐུས་}}}} → {{lang-bft|སྦལ་འཐུས་}}</li> <li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|bft|སྦལ་འཐུས་}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Balti language|Balti]]: <span lang="bft" style="font-size: 125%;">སྦལ་འཐུས་</span></code> → <a href="/wiki/Balti_language" title="Balti language">Balti</a>: སྦལ་འཐུས་</li></ul></dd> <dd>and the second script: <ul><li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-bft|بلتی}}</code> → {{code|lang=html|{{lang-bft|بلتی}}}} → {{lang-bft|بلتی}}</li> <li><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|bft|بلتی}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Balti language|Balti]]: <span lang="bft" dir="rtl" style="font-size: 125%;">بلتی</span></code> → <a href="/wiki/Balti_language" title="Balti language">Balti</a>: بلتی</li></ul></dd> <dd>If you know of any other <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates that set <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|size=</code>, tell me.</dd> <dd></dd> <dd>If you want to enable the TfD notification for <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ar (page does not exist)">Lang-ar</a>}}</code>, you are free to do so: change <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|type=disabled</code> to <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|type=tiny</code>. According to the High-use bot, the <code>{{lang-ar}}</code> notification will be visible on <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1248376706#L-13" title="Special:PermanentLink/1248376706">46,000 (permalink)</a> articles.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241004230300-Wikisaurus-20241004222600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Support This would also make talk discussions and maintenance of documentation easier, grouping similar languages together e.g RTL or other non Romanized scripts. ~ 🦝 <a href="/wiki/User:Shushugah" title="User:Shushugah">Shushugah</a> (he/him • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shushugah" title="User talk:Shushugah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Shushugah-20241005101300-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support the replacement, per above. However, I think it is preferable to keep the lang-xx templates, indef protect them, and prevent their transclusion, so as to make older article revisions render without redlinks to these widely-used templates. <a href="/wiki/User:Janhrach" title="User:Janhrach">Janhrach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janhrach" title="User talk:Janhrach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Janhrach-20241005123300-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Question. It seems this proposal will successfully pass. What will then happen with the original <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang-xyz|}}</code> templates? Will they be deleted, or redirected to the new template and protected? Thanks. - <a href="/wiki/User:Darwinek" title="User:Darwinek">Darwinek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darwinek" title="User talk:Darwinek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Darwinek-20241005124100-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The title of this TfD is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Replace and delete lang-?? templates</q>, so, without a consensus mandate to do otherwise, the unused templates will be deleted.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241005131800-Darwinek-20241005124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Instead of deleting after this closes, why not convert them all into redirects? <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Web-julio-20241005191800-Darwinek-20241005124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Because that won't work. Redirects are only links to another name. They cannot pass parameters from one template to another.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241005214700-Web-julio-20241005191800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/17px-Symbol_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="17" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/26px-Symbol_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/34px-Symbol_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Question: Is putting a link to this page really mandatory on every article which uses these templates? I’m sure language template discussion wouldn’t be of any importance to your average Joe. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%9B%D1%83%D1%87%D1%88%D0%B5" title="User:БудетЛучше">БудетЛучше</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%9B%D1%83%D1%87%D1%88%D0%B5" title="User talk:БудетЛучше">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-БудетЛучше-20241005203100-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hardly <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">every article which uses these templates</q>. The TfD notification is disabled for all but two <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates: <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-de&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-de (page does not exist)">lang-de</a>}}</code> and <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lang-ru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lang-ru (page does not exist)">lang-ru</a>}}</code>. Combined, those two templates are used on approximately <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3A%22Module%3ALang%22+insource%3A%2F%5C%7B+%2A%5BLl%5Dang%5C-%28de%7Cru%29%2F&ns0=1">132,000 articles</a>. I don't know how many articles use one or more of the <code>{{lang-??}}</code> templates. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3A%22Module%3ALang%22+insource%3A%2F%5C%7B+%2A%5BLl%5Dang%5C-%5B%5E%5C%7C%5D%2B%2F&ns0=1">This search</a> has returned results between 330,000 and 420,000 articles before timing out.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241005214700-БудетЛучше-20241005203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh. The language scope makes sense now, since most language/country/culture-specific articles I read are about Russian. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%9B%D1%83%D1%87%D1%88%D0%B5" title="User:БудетЛучше">БудетЛучше</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%9B%D1%83%D1%87%D1%88%D0%B5" title="User talk:БудетЛучше">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-БудетЛучше-20241006161900-Trappist_the_monk-20241005214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Support per above --<a href="/wiki/User:Zzzs" title="User:Zzzs">ZZZ</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzzs" title="User talk:Zzzs">'S</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Zzzs-20241006012800-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>What is the difference between lang and langx? <a href="/wiki/User:Traumnovelle" title="User:Traumnovelle">Traumnovelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Traumnovelle" title="User talk:Traumnovelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Traumnovelle-20241006093700-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Langx" title="Template:Langx">langx</a>}}</code> visibly labels the non-English text: <dl><dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{lang|es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><span title="Spanish-language text"><i lang="es">casa</i></span></code> → casa</dd> <dd><code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">{{langx|es|casa}}</code> → <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">[[Spanish language|Spanish]]: <i lang="es">casa</i></code> → <a href="/wiki/Spanish_language" title="Spanish language">Spanish</a>: casa</dd></dl></dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241006122600-Traumnovelle-20241006093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Oppose deletion per Fredddie/Janhrach above; this would needlessly make old revisions harder to read. Surely there's a better alternative (e.g., redirecting to a template that would at least print the foreign-language word). No opposition to the rest of the proposal, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241007001800-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment Don't care at all about your asinine discussion, just get it over with so I don't have to see that awful "‹See Tfd›" markup anymore. <a href="/wiki/User:Maxwhollymoralground" title="User:Maxwhollymoralground">Maxwhollymoralground</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxwhollymoralground" title="User talk:Maxwhollymoralground">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Maxwhollymoralground-20241007074600-Trappist_the_monk-20240927130500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables-September_27-20240927110100"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables (page does not exist)">Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004133700-Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables (page does not exist)">Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3A2027+Rugby+World+Cup+pool+tables&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3A2027+Rugby+World+Cup+pool+tables">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:2027 Rugby World Cup pool tables/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Completely pointless creating these years in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927110100-Template:2027_Rugby_World_Cup_pool_tables" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete agree with nominator. Especially as participating teams have not been confirmed. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927161600-Gonnym-20240927110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Delete - years in advance, templates probably wont be used for this anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:SimplyLouis27" title="User:SimplyLouis27">SimplyLouis27</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SimplyLouis27" title="User talk:SimplyLouis27">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-SimplyLouis27-20240928061900-Gonnym-20240927110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Delete, mainly to react against the perceived need to create articles and other things too many years in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Geschichte" title="User:Geschichte">Geschichte</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geschichte" title="User talk:Geschichte">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Geschichte-20240928071700-Gonnym-20240927110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Delete per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BALL">WP:BALL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Kepler-1229b" title="User:Kepler-1229b">🪐Kepler-1229b</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kepler-1229b" title="User talk:Kepler-1229b">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kepler-1229b" title="Special:Contributions/Kepler-1229b">contribs🪐</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Kepler-1229b-20240928194400-Gonnym-20240927110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927110100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Delete per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hansen_Sebastian" title="User:Hansen Sebastian">Hansen Sebastian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hansen_Sebastian" title="User talk:Hansen Sebastian">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Hansen_Sebastian-20241004124200-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd> <dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet-September_27-20240927101300"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet (page does not exist)">Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004133600-Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet (page does not exist)">Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Lee Myung-bak cabinet (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ALee+Myung-bak+cabinet&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ALee+Myung-bak+cabinet">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Lee Myung-bak cabinet/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Unused template. It was missing from <a href="/wiki/Lee_Myung-bak_government" title="Lee Myung-bak government">Lee Myung-bak government</a> where I subst it. Does not need to be in a stand-alone template. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927101300-Template:Lee_Myung-bak_cabinet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Delete. Unused and poorly formatted. <a href="/wiki/User:Seefooddiet" title="User:Seefooddiet">seefooddiet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seefooddiet" title="User talk:Seefooddiet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Seefooddiet-20240928234600-Gonnym-20240927101300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Delete: Unused and a weird template to have <a href="/wiki/User:Orbitalbuzzsaw" title="User:Orbitalbuzzsaw">This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw" title="User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Orbitalbuzzsaw-20241001184600-Gonnym-20240927101300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927101300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup-September_27-20240927100900"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox television season/cleanup (page does not exist)">Template:Infobox television season/cleanup</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Template:Infobox television season/cleanup">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004133600-Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox television season/cleanup (page does not exist)">Template:Infobox television season/cleanup</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_television_season/cleanup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Infobox television season/cleanup (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Infobox television season/cleanup">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3AInfobox+television+season%2Fcleanup&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3AInfobox+television+season%2Fcleanup">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Infobox television season/cleanup/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> This isn't needed anymore and has been replaced with <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_television_season/subst" title="Template:Infobox television season/subst">Template:Infobox television season/subst</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927100900-Template:Infobox_television_season/cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927100900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:DANFSsection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:DANFSsection-September_27-20240927100600"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:DANFSsection&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:DANFSsection (page does not exist)">Template:DANFSsection</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Template:DANFSsection">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004132900-Template:DANFSsection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:DANFSsection&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:DANFSsection (page does not exist)">Template:DANFSsection</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:DANFSsection&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:DANFSsection (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:DANFSsection" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:DANFSsection">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADANFSsection&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADANFSsection">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:DANFSsection/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:DANFSsection/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Unused attribution template which was created in 2008. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927100600-Template:DANFSsection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927100600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias-September_27-20240927100400"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias (page does not exist)">Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004133600-Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias (page does not exist)">Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3AFinno-Ugric+Wikipedias&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3AFinno-Ugric+Wikipedias">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Finno-Ugric Wikipedias/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Unused in anyplace other than in 3 posts from 8 years ago. Subst there and delete template. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927100400-Template:Finno-Ugric_Wikipedias" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete Subst per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927100400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:CWL_roster/Footer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:CWL_roster/Footer-September_27-20240927100200"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:CWL_roster/Footer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:CWL roster/Footer (page does not exist)">Template:CWL roster/Footer</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Template:CWL roster/Footer">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004132800-Template:CWL_roster/Footer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:CWL_roster/Footer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:CWL roster/Footer (page does not exist)">Template:CWL roster/Footer</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:CWL_roster/Footer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:CWL roster/Footer (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:CWL_roster/Footer" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:CWL roster/Footer">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ACWL+roster%2FFooter&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ACWL+roster%2FFooter">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:CWL_roster/Footer/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:CWL roster/Footer/">subpages</a>)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:CWL_roster/Header&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:CWL roster/Header (page does not exist)">Template:CWL roster/Header</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:CWL_roster/Header&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:CWL roster/Header (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:CWL_roster/Header" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:CWL roster/Header">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ACWL+roster%2FHeader&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ACWL+roster%2FHeader">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:CWL_roster/Header/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:CWL roster/Header/">subpages</a>)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:CWL_roster/Wrestler&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:CWL roster/Wrestler (page does not exist)">Template:CWL roster/Wrestler</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:CWL_roster/Wrestler&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:CWL roster/Wrestler (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:CWL_roster/Wrestler" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:CWL roster/Wrestler">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ACWL+roster%2FWrestler&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ACWL+roster%2FWrestler">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:CWL_roster/Wrestler/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:CWL roster/Wrestler/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Unused templates for a non-notable wrestling league <a href="/w/index.php?title=Championship_Wrestling_League&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Championship Wrestling League (page does not exist)">Championship Wrestling League</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Gonnym-20240927100200-Template:CWL_roster/Footer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-Gonnym-20240927100200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg-September_27-20240927025700"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004031900-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Luxembourg&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Luxembourg">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of Luxembourg/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Only contains 2 English WP entries. Pointless for a nav box. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927025700-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Luxembourg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete. Little to navigate between, contrary to the purpose of a navbox, and unlikely to grow in the future as articles on embassies are almost never notable. <a href="/wiki/User:Geschichte" title="User:Geschichte">Geschichte</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geschichte" title="User talk:Geschichte">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Geschichte-20240928071800-LibStar-20240927025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927025700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti-September_27-20240927024300"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004031800-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Djibouti&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Djibouti">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of Djibouti/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> Contains no English links. Useless as a nav box. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927024300-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Djibouti" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji-September_27-20240927003200"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji</a></h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>).</dd></dl> The result of the discussion was delete. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">✗</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit">plicit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-Explicit-20241004031800-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji (page does not exist)">Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:Diplomatic missions of Fiji (page does not exist)">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji" title="Special:PageHistory/Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji">history</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere%2FTemplate%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Fiji&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1">transclusions</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3ADiplomatic+missions+of+Fiji">logs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji/" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Diplomatic missions of Fiji/">subpages</a>)</li></ul> 2 of the 3 English links are up for deletion. The 3rd one for Japan is actually a link to the building rather than an actual embassy article. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240927003200-Template:Diplomatic_missions_of_Fiji" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Now has only 2 entries. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-LibStar-20240930015300-LibStar-20240927003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete per nomination. --<a href="/wiki/User:WikiCleanerMan" title="User:WikiCleanerMan">WikiCleanerMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiCleanerMan" title="User talk:WikiCleanerMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#c-WikiCleanerMan-20241002232200-LibStar-20240927003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). 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