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I noticed that in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mastanesosus&diff=1195540092">this edit</a></span> to <a href="/wiki/Mastanesosus" title="Mastanesosus">Mastanesosus</a>, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a>. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Materialscientist" title="User talk:Materialscientist">my talk page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Materialscientist" title="User:Materialscientist">Materialscientist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Materialscientist" title="User talk:Materialscientist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Materialscientist-20240114074200-January_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Materialscientist-20240114074200-January_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Materialscientist-20240114074200-January_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240114074300-Materialscientist-20240114074200"></span>There were three infoboxes for three different kings on a one page about a single king. Why would I not remove them? <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240114074300-Materialscientist-20240114074200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240114074300-Materialscientist-20240114074200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240114074300-Materialscientist-20240114074200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reversion_of_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reversion_of_redirect-20240126185000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reversion_of_redirect-20240126185000"></span>Reversion of redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reversion_of_redirect-20240126185000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Reversion of redirect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hjemt-20240126185000-Reversion_of_redirect"></span>Hello, I noticed your edit on the <a href="/wiki/List_of_flags_with_Islamic_symbolism" title="List of flags with Islamic symbolism">list of flags with Islamic symbolism</a>. I didn't notice that there was another list with the same topic prior to actually getting to creating the list but i don't see a reason to make my list into a redirect of the older one considering the fact that my list actually has all of the stuff which which it doesn't, sources, quality and reliability. I think it would be a better idea to make the older list into a new redirect to my list. I did some quick research and some of the flags on this older list didn't even have any relativity to Islam at all (i.e. Singapore). For now i have reverted your edit and made the older article into a redirect instead. As for the flags which the older article mentions but i didn't, i'll get to them in a little once i find reliable sources for them. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Hjemt" title="User:Hjemt">Hjemt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hjemt" title="User talk:Hjemt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Hjemt-20240126185000-Reversion_of_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hjemt-20240126185000-Reversion_of_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hjemt-20240126185000-Reversion_of_redirect"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Welcome" data-mw-thread-id="h-Welcome-20240130003300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Welcome-20240130003300"></span>Welcome<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Welcome-20240130003300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Welcome"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Python_Drink-20240130003300-Welcome"></span>Welcome! You have made 365 edits in just 19 days! That's quite fast. Seems like you're not a stranger to Wikipedia editing, judging from your contributions. That's why I didn't use the welcome template. — <a href="/wiki/User:Python_Drink" title="User:Python Drink">Python Drink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Python_Drink" title="User talk:Python Drink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Python_Drink-20240130003300-Welcome" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Python_Drink-20240130003300-Welcome"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Python_Drink-20240130003300-Welcome"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citations-20240201211900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citations-20240201211900"></span>Citations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citations-20240201211900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Citations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900-Citations"></span>Did I cite incorrectly? <a href="/wiki/User:IncandescentBliss" title="User:IncandescentBliss">IncandescentBliss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IncandescentBliss" title="User talk:IncandescentBliss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900-Citations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900-Citations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900-Citations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240201212200-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900"></span>You should try and use the actual templates, and failing that, be more explicit. Use {{cite journal}} for articles, don't just give author, title, and incomplete attribution. Get ISBNs, publishing information, etc., see if the articles have electronic hostings and then link them if they do. Run down <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REF">WP:REF</a>. Things like that. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240201212200-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240201212200-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240201212200-IncandescentBliss-20240201211900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000-Sinclairian-20240201212200"></span>Thank you. I’m new. <a href="/wiki/User:IncandescentBliss" title="User:IncandescentBliss">IncandescentBliss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IncandescentBliss" title="User talk:IncandescentBliss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000-Sinclairian-20240201212200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000-Sinclairian-20240201212200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000-Sinclairian-20240201212200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000"></span>Are there websites that autogenerate citations proficiently? It’s a bit of a tedious process. <a href="/wiki/User:IncandescentBliss" title="User:IncandescentBliss">IncandescentBliss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IncandescentBliss" title="User talk:IncandescentBliss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100-IncandescentBliss-20240201214000"></span> <dl><dd><del><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240201232600-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100"></span>I am unaware of any, personally. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240201232600-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240201232600-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100"></span></del><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240201232600-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240209164000-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100"></span>Actually, check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITETOOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITETOOL">WP:CITETOOL</a>, it has a few tools that you might find useful. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240209164000-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240209164000-IncandescentBliss-20240201222100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring</a> regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit warring</a>. The thread is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Sinclairian_reported_by_User:33ABGirl_(Result:_)" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Sinclairian reported by User:33ABGirl (Result: )</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:33ABGirl" title="User:33ABGirl">33ABGirl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:33ABGirl" title="User talk:33ABGirl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-33ABGirl-20240212111000-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-33ABGirl-20240212111000-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-33ABGirl-20240212111000-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_Uzair_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_Uzair_page-20240517183100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_Uzair_page-20240517183100"></span>About Uzair page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_Uzair_page-20240517183100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: About Uzair page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hzea-20240517183100-About_Uzair_page"></span>How are you? I want to talk to you about the topic of Uzair page. I want you and I to agree about some edits topics that were removed from the page, such as: Two Hadiths about Uzair and the title of ''son of Allah in islam and what is the mean of Uzair son of god <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hzea&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hzea (page does not exist)">Hzea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hzea" title="User talk:Hzea">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Hzea-20240517183100-About_Uzair_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hzea-20240517183100-About_Uzair_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hzea-20240517183100-About_Uzair_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240521152200-Hzea-20240517183100"></span>Hadiths themselves do not constitute <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. What’s more, you often simply copy-paste their contents onto the page, which isn’t proper, and your English at times borders on incomprehensible. I’d recommend familiarizing yourself with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">manual of style</a> to figure out how to better format your additions.</dd> <dd>Also, if other users have reverted your edits for violating the website’s copyright policy, <i>please</i> don’t just re-add the content without changing anything!! <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240521152200-Hzea-20240517183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240521152200-Hzea-20240517183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240521152200-Hzea-20240517183100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kabbalah" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kabbalah-20240601223300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kabbalah-20240601223300"></span>Kabbalah<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kabbalah-20240601223300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Kabbalah"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primium-20240601223300-Kabbalah"></span>Hi, @<a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a>. Regarding the use of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cns" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cns">cns</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in <a href="/wiki/Kabbalah" title="Kabbalah">Kabbalah</a>, span tags like this are typically used when only a small portion of a sentence or paragraph needs citation, it's not usually used for entire paragraphs or sentences. For sentences, you can use one <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">Citation needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> at the end. For an entire section, you can use a single {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Citations_needed" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Citations needed">Citations needed</a>|section}} at the top of a section, without applying <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">Citation needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> after every sentence. For an entire article, just one <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citations_needed" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Citations needed">Citations needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> at the top is fine. You can see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tagging_pages_for_problems" title="Wikipedia:Tagging pages for problems">Wikipedia:Tagging pages for problems</a> for more information. Thanks. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">– <small><b><a href="/wiki/User:Primium" title="User:Primium"><span style="color: #000;">Primium</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primium" title="User talk:Primium">talk</a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Primium-20240601223300-Kabbalah" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primium-20240601223300-Kabbalah"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primium-20240601223300-Kabbalah"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?-20240607004700"><span id="Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?-20240607004700"></span>Did you delete all of my edits?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?-20240607004700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Did you delete all of my edits?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240607004700-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?"></span>I’m confused. I’m primarily just summarizing historicity sections and occasionally adding recent scholarship. For example, in the Adam and Eve page, every article is supposed to have its sections summarized in the lead. You deleted my summary of an important section. If it’s not relevant, delete the section too. But you’re just deleting my edits. Please work for compromises rather than deleting my hard work. I have a degree in the Hebrew Bible and am willingly giving my time to help out around here! All the best! <a href="/wiki/User:IncandescentBliss" title="User:IncandescentBliss">IncandescentBliss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IncandescentBliss" title="User talk:IncandescentBliss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-IncandescentBliss-20240607004700-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IncandescentBliss-20240607004700-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IncandescentBliss-20240607004700-Did_you_delete_all_of_my_edits?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries-20240613164400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries-20240613164400"></span>Cuneiform and Anatolian hieroglyph entries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries-20240613164400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Cuneiform and Anatolian hieroglyph entries"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antiquistik-20240613164400-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries"></span>Hello. I've had to revert several of your edits relating to the transcription of Hieroglyphic Luwian and Neo-Assyrian Akkadian written in cuneiform because you replaced the reconstruction of several terms and names by linguists with the strict <i>modern</i> transliterations of the signs. </p><p>Please make yourself familiar with the transcription and reconstruction of Akkadian and Luwian in the cuneiform and hieroglyphic scripts instead of engaging in such disruptive edits again. <a href="/wiki/User:Antiquistik" title="User:Antiquistik">Antiquistik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antiquistik" title="User talk:Antiquistik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Antiquistik-20240613164400-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antiquistik-20240613164400-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antiquistik-20240613164400-Cuneiform_and_Anatolian_hieroglyph_entries"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240614152300-Antiquistik-20240613164400"></span>Noted. Can you recommend any learning resources that might assist me in such an endeavor? <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240614152300-Antiquistik-20240613164400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240614152300-Antiquistik-20240613164400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240614152300-Antiquistik-20240613164400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antiquistik-20240614215300-Sinclairian-20240614152300"></span>For Luwian, the Corpus of Hieroglyphic Luwian Inscriptions (volumes <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110804201/html">1</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110879759/html">2</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110778854/html">3</a> are available via the Wikipedia Library) as well as the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://luwian.web-corpora.net/">Annotated Corpus of Luwian Texts</a> and the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ediana.gwi.uni-muenchen.de/">Digital Philological-Etymological Dictionary of the Minor Ancient Anatolian Corpus Languages</a> are good places to begin.</dd> <dd>For Akkadian, the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://isac.uchicago.edu/research/publications/chicago-assyrian-dictionary">The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago</a> is a good place to start, although you would also need to cross-reference from multiple sources by linguists and historians (such as the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.degruyter.com/serial/rava-b/html">Reallexikon der Assyriologie und Vorderasiatischen Archäologie</a>, also available via the Wikipedia Library) in the case of proper nouns such as anthroponyms and toponyms. <a href="/wiki/User:Antiquistik" title="User:Antiquistik">Antiquistik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antiquistik" title="User talk:Antiquistik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Antiquistik-20240614215300-Sinclairian-20240614152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antiquistik-20240614215300-Sinclairian-20240614152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antiquistik-20240614215300-Sinclairian-20240614152300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion-20240619182100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion-20240619182100"></span>Much thanks for clearing up some confusion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion-20240619182100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Much thanks for clearing up some confusion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion"></span>I thank you for clearing several confusions regarding interpretation, including the qoph/ṣirar (brought up by someone else) and ayn/pay (brought up by myself) problems. <a href="/wiki/User:INFIYNJTE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:INFIYNJTE">INFIYNJTE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:INFIYNJTE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:INFIYNJTE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100-Much_thanks_for_clearing_up_some_confusion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-INFIYNJTE-20240619190000-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100"></span>Also, apologies if I bothered you with the lack of consistency regarding the n/a template.</dd> <dd>I focus mainly on putting the glyphs and connections and rely on the help of others for the formatting. After all, this is a collaboration. <a href="/wiki/User:INFIYNJTE" class="mw-redirect" title="User:INFIYNJTE">INFIYNJTE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:INFIYNJTE" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:INFIYNJTE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-INFIYNJTE-20240619190000-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-INFIYNJTE-20240619190000-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-INFIYNJTE-20240619190000-INFIYNJTE-20240619182100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2-20240701144100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2-20240701144100"></span>Introduction to contentious topics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2-20240701144100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Introduction to contentious topics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Manyareasexpert-20240701144100-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style="background-color: #E5F8FF;"> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 50px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Commons-emblem-notice.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/50px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/75px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/100px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>You have recently edited a page related to <b>Eastern Europe or the Balkans</b>, a topic designated as <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/CT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/CT">contentious</a></b>. 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You may also choose to note which contentious topics you know about by using the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ctopics/aware" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ctopics/aware">Ctopics/aware</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Manyareasexpert" title="User:Manyareasexpert">ManyAreasExpert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Manyareasexpert" title="User talk:Manyareasexpert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Manyareasexpert-20240701144100-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Manyareasexpert-20240701144100-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Manyareasexpert-20240701144100-Introduction_to_contentious_topics_2"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hebrew_romanisation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hebrew_romanisation-20240702154200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hebrew_romanisation-20240702154200"></span>Hebrew romanisation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hebrew_romanisation-20240702154200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Hebrew romanisation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240702154200-Hebrew_romanisation"></span>Hi there! I reverted your edit because it is not, in fact, the standard romanisation of Biblical Hebrew. Standard manuals are available such as <a href="/wiki/Geoffrey_Khan" title="Geoffrey Khan">Geoffrey Khan</a>'s work on <a href="/wiki/Tiberian_Hebrew" title="Tiberian Hebrew">Tiberian Hebrew</a>, which is the standard for Biblical Hebrew. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240702154200-Hebrew_romanisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240702154200-Hebrew_romanisation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240702154200-Hebrew_romanisation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240702154800-Ogress-20240702154200"></span>Your romanization standard is in direct contravention of both the accepted phonological standards for Biblical Hebrew (as was explained to you <a href="/wiki/Talk:Lilith#Hireq_length" title="Talk:Lilith">here</a>) <i>and</i> the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Hebrew)" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew)">accepted MOS for Hebrew transliteration</a>. This is plainly visible in the vast majority of transliterated Hebrew names found across the site. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240702154800-Ogress-20240702154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240702154800-Ogress-20240702154200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240702154800-Ogress-20240702154200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240702155600-Sinclairian-20240702154800"></span>These pages <i>do not</i> say what you claim: "Generally a long hireq is indicated by hireq-yodh". You mark all i as long. Please do not post incorrect information; I find your response deeply suspect. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240702155600-Sinclairian-20240702154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240702155600-Sinclairian-20240702154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240702155600-Sinclairian-20240702154800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240702155600-Ogress-20240702155600"></span>Again, this is not true. I recommend you <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.openbookpublishers.com/books/10.11647/obp.0163">read free guides</a>, and also stop making claims that WP standards support your claims when they specifically do not. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240702155600-Ogress-20240702155600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240702155600-Ogress-20240702155600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240702155600-Ogress-20240702155600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240702160000-Ogress-20240702155600"></span>Khan's method is not the system Wikipedia employs. His model is only recently elucidated and not even wholly original – not to mention Tiberian Hebrew is not the same as Biblical Hebrew. You, on the other hand, as fairly clearly exemplified by your continued insistence on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hezekiah&diff=prev&oldid=1232215324"><i>Ḥizqiyyā<b>h</b></i> and <i>Yəḥizqiyā<b>h</b></i></a>, do not even account for <a href="/wiki/Mappiq" title="Mappiq">basic Hebrew syntax</a>. Again, clarify the system with which <i>Wikipedia</i> uses for transliteration. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240702160000-Ogress-20240702155600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240702160000-Ogress-20240702155600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240702160000-Ogress-20240702155600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240702161200-Sinclairian-20240702160000"></span>Is your suggestion then to invent a <i>new</i> system rather than use Tiberian, which is employed by every liturgical work in Hebrew? Khan's work is merely a recent example of work done on Biblical Hebrew and is a free resource. As for your comment about mappiq, <span title="Hebrew-language text"><span lang="he" dir="rtl">חִזְקִיָּהוּ</span></span> appears alongside the form without final h, indicating a final h is likely correct here <i>despite</i> the text. The form <a href="/wiki/Yahweh" title="Yahweh">Yah</a> is standard; yā is a deeply irregular romanisation. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240702161200-Sinclairian-20240702160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240702161200-Sinclairian-20240702160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240702161200-Sinclairian-20240702160000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GordonGlottal-20240702193400-Sinclairian-20240702154800"></span>The MOS naming conventions are not a manual for <i>technical transliteration</i>, which are always in addition to, not instead of, its recommended English spellings. So the use of diacritical marks, etc. are consistently used in this context, despite being banned by WP:HE for the use-cases to which it applies.</dd> <dd>As you both seem to claim justification in my comments on <a href="/wiki/Lilith" title="Lilith">Lilith</a>, let me weigh in to say that in this case I believe that Ogress is correct about the vowels. Both hireqs in "Hezekiah" are short, unlike the hireqs in "Lilith", which are long. The reason for this is that neither is followed by a yodh-vowel (the only yodh is a consonant).</dd> <dd>In the discussion on Lilith I recommended the recordings produced by <a href="/wiki/Jeremy_Wieder" title="Jeremy Wieder">Jeremy Wieder</a>, which are more accessible than the underlying syntax. Specifically, Hezekiah is mentioned in the opening verse of Isaiah, so his recording of the "Haftarah to Devarim" includes "Hezekiah" correctly pronounced in its opening seconds. This recording may be obtained through his "Haftarah: VaYavinu BaMikra" app or his "Leining Master" CDs. I also have the recording as an mp3 if you want me to send it to you directly.</dd> <dd>I also recommend Charles Loder's transliteration tool (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://hebrewtransliteration.app/">link</a>). I don't know exactly what his process was but I've used it for years and the output is almost always what I'd want. You can see that it correctly distinguishes between the hireqs in outputs yǝḥizqiyyāhû and lîlît.</dd> <dd>I haven't mentioned the final-he dispute because I don't really have anything to offer, sorry. In my own transliterations I do include it. <a href="/wiki/User:GordonGlottal" title="User:GordonGlottal">GordonGlottal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GordonGlottal" title="User talk:GordonGlottal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-GordonGlottal-20240702193400-Sinclairian-20240702154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GordonGlottal-20240702193400-Sinclairian-20240702154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GordonGlottal-20240702193400-Sinclairian-20240702154800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240703021100-GordonGlottal-20240702193400"></span>There's also <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.alittlehebrew.com/transliterate/">https://www.alittlehebrew.com/transliterate/</a> , which provides a variety of outputs depending on your needs. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240703021100-GordonGlottal-20240702193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240703021100-GordonGlottal-20240702193400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240703021100-GordonGlottal-20240702193400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240726034900-Sinclairian-20240702154800"></span>I don't appreciate you incorrectly "fixing" my Tiberian romanisation. This discussion has already covered the topic, but let me reiterate: there are no minimal pairs between i and long i, o and long o, and u and long u. These are predictable phonological reflexes of underlying phonemes and the standard is not to mark them. If there is no short o, there is no need to mark o macron; if there is no short u, there is no need to mark u macron. Only a-macron and e-macron are distinct vowels, and those mark the vowel <i>quality</i>, not its length. If you wish to distinguish hireq from hireq-yod, it is marked as <b>î</b>; the feature is subphonemic. I can give you a very number of cites, including instruction books for students, analyses of the vowel system, and more. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240726034900-Sinclairian-20240702154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240726034900-Sinclairian-20240702154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240726034900-Sinclairian-20240702154800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240726044100-Ogress-20240726034900"></span>So instead of discussion, you decided to revert against consensus? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240726044100-Ogress-20240726034900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240726044100-Ogress-20240726034900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240726044100-Ogress-20240726034900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240726130800-Hebrew_romanisation"></span>Since you are not responding, briefly this is the vowel system recorded by Tiberian Hebrew: a i u ɛ e ɔ o and ə (schwa). The romanisation system for these are a i u <i>e</i> <i>ē</i> <i>ā</i> o and ə. You will note that this system encodes vowel quality, not quantity ("length"). Romanising quality is inherent in the system; romanising quantity is difficult, specialist interpretation and there are arguments over some vowels and their length. For example, ɛ and e both appear lengthened, but there is no way to romanise this. It is strictly dealt with by specialists using the IPA mark for length, ꞉. The reason there are no macrons noted on letters other than ē and ā is that these do not note length, they are (for many reasons, both historical and practical) how we differentiate the sound of "short" e and o. While I freely admit there are length considerations present in both the Tiberian system and in Qimhi's description of Palestinian Hebrew (which had only a e i o u and ə), these are not marked when romanising these systems. I hope this explains the most common romanisation system of Biblical Hebrew and clears up why we do not add macrons due to spelling. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240726130800-Hebrew_romanisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240726130800-Hebrew_romanisation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240726130800-Hebrew_romanisation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240726132500-Ogress-20240726130800"></span>Hey there, didn’t even notice you left a message. Frankly I feel like I’ve conveyed the disparity between Wikipedia’s current MOS and the scholarly system used to transliterate Hebrew enough times that if it hasn’t gotten through at this point, it’s wasted effort. Secondly, I apologize for the apparent surreptitiousness of reverting your edits, but I’ve noticed a few concerning trends with your process, namely a tendency to completely eliminate hataf vowels, as seen <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merkabah_mysticism&diff=prev&oldid=1193146887">here with “maʿśē”</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moses_ibn_Ezra&diff=prev&oldid=1233251698">here with "Yaʿqōḇ"</a>, and the occasional complete error in transliteration altogether, such as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abraham_ibn_Daud&diff=prev&oldid=1172968258">here</a> where you transliterated an Aleph as <i>h</i>. Likewise, you inconsistently enforce both the previously discussed issue of He mappiq and the macron system, as evident by the message left above and the linked examples, wherein you yourself use <i>ī, ū</i> and <i>ō</i>. Additionally, your recommendation of Khan, while indeed a useful read, also struck me as odd, considering Khan does not transliterate any Hebrew in the entirety of the work, but instead provides IPA. Ultimately I felt that further mutual communication was pointless considering the disparity between our editing styles — that, obviously, was an unsportsmanlike decision. In any event, something transliterated as Tiberian Hebrew needs to be <i>marked</i> as Tiberian Hebrew, otherwise its liable to be transliterated by modern or Biblical notation customs. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240726132500-Ogress-20240726130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240726132500-Ogress-20240726130800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240726132500-Ogress-20240726130800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240726144700-Sinclairian-20240726132500"></span>The employment of Tiberian is only for premodern sources (i.e. not Modern Hebrew) that are not subject to further MOS rules about localised names (i.e. ashkenazi, sefardi).</dd> <dd>I am not always consistent because i make errors. For example, my objection to your edit of [<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2_Kings_22&diff=next&oldid=1236700259">Hilqi-Yahu</a>] was not that you objected to the hyphen, it was that you instead <i>reverted the entire edit</i>. I absolutely accept that I make mistakes and that other editors have good input, but if you objected to the hyphen, you should have <i>removed the hyphen</i> as an edit, not reverted the entire thing. I would have not objected to that, a valid criticism.</dd> <dd>We can discuss hataf; the romanisation of it is up in the air because it represents a subphonemic feature although it is present in traditional pronunciations. these sometimes take on further phonemic value, like and ending in ua3 being reinforced to uwwa3. however, traditional pronunciations are not the Tiberian Hebrew standard. The use of hataf in these cases is akin to the Tiberian writing of schwa with vowels, which does not indicate a <i>pronunciation</i>, but rather the pre-reduced character of the vowel that is now a shwa for the ease of the reader's recognition of the word. For clarity's sake, I usually don't write either.</dd> <dd>Finally, the use of Tiberian is the standard. Localised readings (almost all of which are based on Palestinian Hebrew, like the siddur I read on Shabes) are obtainable by Jews by simply reading the Hebrew text. Since these are not standardised, using the standard employed by nearly all Jewish texts in existence is the only sensible approach to generalised terms in premodern Hebrew. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240726144700-Sinclairian-20240726132500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240726144700-Sinclairian-20240726132500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240726144700-Sinclairian-20240726132500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240726194800-Ogress-20240726144700"></span>A few points: Firstly, there is no MOS standard relegating Tiberian Hebrew, or <i>any</i> form of Hebrew, to specific eras of history. When you transliterate something as Tiberian Hebrew, you need to mark it as Tiberian Hebrew. Secondly, there is, in fact, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://hebrew-academy.huji.ac.il/PDF/taatiq2007.pdf">a standardized transliteration system</a>, but as I fear I will be repeating ad nauseam: <i>it is not the system that Wikipedia uses.</i> Wikipedia standardly utilizes a slightly modified (e.g. the addition of certain elements of <a href="/wiki/ISO_259" title="ISO 259">ISO 259</a>) form of the SBL transliteration schema, unless otherwise stated in-line, as is the case in the lede of <a href="/wiki/Jews" title="Jews">Jews</a>, which clearly notes that the transliteration provided is based on <a href="/wiki/ISO_259-2" class="mw-redirect" title="ISO 259-2">ISO 259-2</a>. Secondly, your objections to reverting entire edits are noted: that being said, you should practice what you preach and not revert entire edits to uphold that standard. If fixing an error you have introduced ends up constituting the entirety of a revision, that's no one's problem. So, since for Hilqi-Yahu you have removed the doubly geminated yodh, the hireq yodh, <i>and</i> introduced a hyphen – correcting it will result in the form that was present in the article prior to your edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240726194800-Ogress-20240726144700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240726194800-Ogress-20240726144700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240726194800-Ogress-20240726144700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240727020400-Sinclairian-20240726194800"></span>"there is no MOS standard relegating Tiberian Hebrew, or any form of Hebrew, to specific eras of history"</dd> <dd>We do not write Modern Hebrew with Tiberian romanisation because <a href="/wiki/MOS:HE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HE">MOS:HE</a> does in fact specify a Modern Hebrew romanisation schema (well, it's sort of a schema plus a bunch of exceptions, as with most modern vernaculars). <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Hebrew)#Consonant_table" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew)">Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Hebrew)#Consonant_table</a> is the start of the instructions for biblical hebrew. ISO 259-2 is for modern hebrew and is based on the israeli language academy, but the suggested form for biblical hebrew is forty years old and deeply outdated. in addition, i have literally never seen a work that used that romanisation for vowels. ever. in contrast, all biblical hebrew grammars and studies use a variation of the same semiticist system that i outlined above.</dd> <dd>"If fixing an error you have introduced ends up constituting the entirety of a revision, that's no one's problem. So, since for Hilqi-Yahu you have removed the doubly geminated yodh, the hireq yodh, and introduced a hyphen – correcting it will result in the form that was present in the article prior to your edit."</dd> <dd>Hireq yod is <i>not</i> a long vowel, and you had been reverting romanisations i had been providing or updating in general by deleting them. Fixing the yodh/hyphen is a single edit and it is <i>in the context of that series of reversions</i> that I deleted your revert: context is for kings. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240727020400-Sinclairian-20240726194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240727020400-Sinclairian-20240726194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240727020400-Sinclairian-20240726194800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240728154500-Hebrew_romanisation"></span>Would you care to explain why you edited the romanisation at <a href="/wiki/Ziklag" title="Ziklag">Ziklag</a> (<span title="Hebrew-language text"><span lang="he" dir="rtl">צִקְלַג</span></span>? You added an ī (on top of everything else, in a <i>closed syllable</i>) removed the lenition of g. I feel like you are now just trolling, this is not in good faith. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240728154500-Hebrew_romanisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240728154500-Hebrew_romanisation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240728154500-Hebrew_romanisation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240728175000-Ogress-20240728154500"></span>Yeah, because it was wrong. Who uses "ạ" to transcribe a patach?? <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240728175000-Ogress-20240728154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240728175000-Ogress-20240728154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240728175000-Ogress-20240728154500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240728203800-Sinclairian-20240728175000"></span>a <i>what</i> now? patah is just an a? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240728203800-Sinclairian-20240728175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240728203800-Sinclairian-20240728175000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240728203800-Sinclairian-20240728175000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240728211500-Ogress-20240728203800"></span>Don't be dense. You used <i>ạ</i> to romanize a patach – and just when I'd thought you'd run out of ways to further worsen your transliteration track record. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240728211500-Ogress-20240728203800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240728211500-Ogress-20240728203800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240728211500-Ogress-20240728203800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240728220600-Sinclairian-20240728211500"></span>what? i have explained the seven-vowel system. you're the one who keeps translating all hireqs as macro-i. If there was a random Vietnamese letter thrown in there I have no idea where it came from. What even is the code for typing that letter? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240728220600-Sinclairian-20240728211500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240728220600-Sinclairian-20240728211500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240728220600-Sinclairian-20240728211500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="July_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_2024-20240702155100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_2024-20240702155100"></span>July 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_2024-20240702155100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: July 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240702155100-July_2024"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello. 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We have discussed the romanisation standard for Hebrew. Your new romanisation of Arabic is a nightmare. To clarify, if <span title="Hebrew-language text"><span lang="he" dir="rtl">חוֹרְבָת קַייָאפַה</span></span> is modern Hebrew, it would be <i>Horvat Kaiyafa</i>. Please, if you want to discuss the issue agaaaain, do so, but stop reverting. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240926004000-This_is_supposed_to_be_collaborative" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240926004000-This_is_supposed_to_be_collaborative"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240926004000-This_is_supposed_to_be_collaborative"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240926031200-Ogress-20240926004000"></span>My romanization of Arabic, just as my romanization of Hebrew, is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Arabic#Transliteration" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Arabic">the standard employed by Wikipedia</a>, you dolt. Quite frankly, I'm sick of you fumbling every single transliteration with continuous errors and then complaining about lack of parley. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240926031200-Ogress-20240926004000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240926031200-Ogress-20240926004000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240926031200-Ogress-20240926004000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogress-20240926101100-Sinclairian-20240926031200"></span>First of all, do not insult me. Second, that link says your transliteration is <i>wrong</i>. خ is kh in ALA-LC specifications: it's <i>Khirbat Qiyāfa</i>. As for being sick of fumbling every single transliteration, maybe stop coming at people like they are trying to harm you. Now, would you like to discuss the issue of whether it is Modern Hebrew? If that is a modern name, we won't use the close text transference, we'll use simplified Israeli, <i>Horvat Kaiyafa</i> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogress" title="User talk:Ogress">Ogress</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Ogress-20240926101100-Sinclairian-20240926031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogress-20240926101100-Sinclairian-20240926031200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogress-20240926101100-Sinclairian-20240926031200"></span></dd> <dd><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrevan-20240927051000-Sinclairian-20240926031200"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> What the heck is this? Sorry, I was just passing by, do we need to call the admins or something? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">WP:NPA</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a>, please! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a></b><span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Andrevan-20240927051000-Sinclairian-20240926031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrevan-20240927051000-Sinclairian-20240926031200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrevan-20240927051000-Sinclairian-20240926031200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan"-20240926100300"><span id="Edom:_.22.5BPalestine_and.5D_Transjordan.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan"-20240926100300"></span>Edom: "[Palestine and] Transjordan"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan"-20240926100300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Edom: "[Palestine and] Transjordan""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaWalda-20240926100300-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan""></span>Hey! Quick question: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edom&diff=next&oldid=1245680145">On September 14th</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edom&diff=prev&oldid=1246866012">on September 21th</a>, you reverted two similar edits by two IPs on the Edom page, but these changes were geographically correct. Would you mind explaining why? Intuitively, I would have suggested the same change as the IPs. <a href="/wiki/User:DaWalda" title="User:DaWalda">DaWalda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaWalda" title="User talk:DaWalda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-DaWalda-20240926100300-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaWalda-20240926100300-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaWalda-20240926100300-Edom:_"[Palestine_and]_Transjordan""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240926140300-DaWalda-20240926100300"></span>Sure thing. The additions didn't strike me as GF, considering that in one instance it was a canned edit summary, and the other time the addition of "Palestine" was accompanied by a trove of vandalism. A batch undo will batch undo! Were the edits more encyclopedic there wouldn't have been a need to revert them at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240926140300-DaWalda-20240926100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240926140300-DaWalda-20240926100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240926140300-DaWalda-20240926100300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaWalda-20240926143600-Sinclairian-20240926140300"></span>Yes, I saw the vandalism. Annoying.</dd> <dd>Would you then agree to shorten the introductory section to:</dd> <dd><code>Edom (/ˈiːdəm/;[2][3] Edomite: 𐤀𐤃𐤌 ʾDM; Hebrew: אֱדוֹם ʾĔḏōm, lit.: "red"; Akkadian: 𒌑𒁺𒈪 Údumi, 𒌑𒁺𒈬 Údumu;[4] Ancient Egyptian: jdwmꜥ)[5] was an ancient kingdom that stretched across areas in the south of present-day Jordan and Israel.[6] It appears in written sources from the Late Bronze Age and the Iron Age in the Levant.</code>?</dd> <dd>Currently, the location is described twice in the paragraph—once as "in Transjordan," which isn't accurate, and again as "is now divided between present-day southern Jordan and Israel." Just asking to avoid any edit war ;) <a href="/wiki/User:DaWalda" title="User:DaWalda">DaWalda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaWalda" title="User talk:DaWalda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-DaWalda-20240926143600-Sinclairian-20240926140300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaWalda-20240926143600-Sinclairian-20240926140300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaWalda-20240926143600-Sinclairian-20240926140300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20240926143700-DaWalda-20240926143600"></span>I see no issues with that! <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20240926143700-DaWalda-20240926143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20240926143700-DaWalda-20240926143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20240926143700-DaWalda-20240926143600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaWalda-20240926145300-Sinclairian-20240926143700"></span>Thx. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edom&diff=prev&oldid=1247884574">Done</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DaWalda" title="User:DaWalda">DaWalda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaWalda" title="User talk:DaWalda">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-DaWalda-20240926145300-Sinclairian-20240926143700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaWalda-20240926145300-Sinclairian-20240926143700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaWalda-20240926145300-Sinclairian-20240926143700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it" data-mw-thread-id="h-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it-20241002022700"><span id="You.27re_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it-20241002022700"></span>You're doing bad work and I resent having to correct it<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it-20241002022700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: You're doing bad work and I resent having to correct it"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Temerarius-20241002022700-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it"></span>Hi, thanks for removing that mistake of mine, but you need to stop editing. You're hurting Wikipedia. In ways almost no one will ever notice. People don't know these niche topics and arcane evidence. It's subtle and clever and probably effective. You should write essays about your opinions about things. Write scholarly articles yourself. Build your own house of worship or charitable organization. Stop hurting the community with your stealthy bullshit. It never goes away, this kind of stuff. You know well what you're doing is bad faith, POV, and against Wikipedian standards. You're smart, you know. Stop. <a href="/wiki/User:Temerarius" title="User:Temerarius">Temerarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Temerarius" title="User talk:Temerarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Temerarius-20241002022700-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Temerarius-20241002022700-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Temerarius-20241002022700-You're_doing_bad_work_and_I_resent_having_to_correct_it"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrevan-20241002025000-Temerarius-20241002022700"></span>He didn't notify you but there is now a thread at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Sinclairian" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Sinclairian</a> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a></b><span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Andrevan-20241002025000-Temerarius-20241002022700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrevan-20241002025000-Temerarius-20241002022700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrevan-20241002025000-Temerarius-20241002022700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Temerarius-20241002031600-Andrevan-20241002025000"></span>Sorry, it's my first time.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Temerarius" title="User:Temerarius">Temerarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Temerarius" title="User talk:Temerarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Temerarius-20241002031600-Andrevan-20241002025000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Temerarius-20241002031600-Andrevan-20241002025000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Temerarius-20241002031600-Andrevan-20241002025000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_2024-20241002032900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_2024-20241002032900"></span>October 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_2024-20241002032900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrevan-20241002032900-October_2024"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hi Sinclairian! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of an article several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit warring policy</a> disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable. </p><p>All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages" title="Help:Talk pages">talk pages</a> to try to reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Through_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>. If you are unable to agree, please use one of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests">dispute resolution options</a> to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a></b><span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Andrevan-20241002032900-October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrevan-20241002032900-October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrevan-20241002032900-October_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nebuchadnezzar_II" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nebuchadnezzar_II-20241017170000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nebuchadnezzar_II-20241017170000"></span>Nebuchadnezzar II<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nebuchadnezzar_II-20241017170000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Nebuchadnezzar II"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Faycal.09-20241017170000-Nebuchadnezzar_II"></span>Hi Sinclairian, You have reverted several times the article <a href="/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II" title="Nebuchadnezzar II">Nebuchadnezzar II</a>, This person is considered as a part of the history of the current Iraq as can be seen in the article <a href="/wiki/History_of_Iraq" title="History of Iraq">History of Iraq</a>, so it is normal to add his name in Arabic which is the official language of Iraq. Please discuss instead of having an edit war. Regards. ----<a href="/wiki/User:Faycal.09" title="User:Faycal.09">Fayçal.09</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faycal.09" title="User talk:Faycal.09">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Faycal.09-20241017170000-Nebuchadnezzar_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Faycal.09-20241017170000-Nebuchadnezzar_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Faycal.09-20241017170000-Nebuchadnezzar_II"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinclairian-20241017170500-Faycal.09-20241017170000"></span>I have attempted to direct you to the talk page but it seems you’re not interested. Arabic needs to be relevant to the individual in order to justify its inclusion - that’s why Persian emperors generally have modern Persian renditions of their names in the ledes. Arabic was not and is not relevant to Nebuchadnezzar II’s rule, achievements, or legacy. Just because a language started being spoken in the place he built a kingdom more than 1,200 years after he died, doesn’t mean the language is at all relevant to him or what he is notable for. In addition to historical relevance, the Arabic relevance of his name has no etymological relevance either, which is the reason for Biblical Hebrew’s inclusion. Hope this clears it up. <a href="/wiki/User:Sinclairian" title="User:Sinclairian">Sinclairian</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Sinclairian-20241017170500-Faycal.09-20241017170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinclairian-20241017170500-Faycal.09-20241017170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinclairian-20241017170500-Faycal.09-20241017170000"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Faycal.09-20241017172500-Sinclairian-20241017170500"></span>You did not try to redirect me to the talk page , you only reverted my contribution, it is me who opened a discussion now in your discussion page. Concerning the problem, I understood your explanation very well. But I added arabic because it is the official language of Iraq but also and especially because all the history in this country is studied in Arabic, and maybe you don't know but in all the muslim world he is famously known by his arabic name, that's why I think it's important to add it. ----<a href="/wiki/User:Faycal.09" title="User:Faycal.09">Fayçal.09</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Faycal.09" title="User talk:Faycal.09">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sinclairian#c-Faycal.09-20241017172500-Sinclairian-20241017170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Faycal.09-20241017172500-Sinclairian-20241017170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Faycal.09-20241017172500-Sinclairian-20241017170500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119005300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119005300"></span>ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119005300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinclairian&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #fdf2d5; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center;"> <div class="ivmbox-image noresize" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119005300-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello! 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