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TELL US ABOUT HERE. THANK YOU. TELL US ABOUT THIS DECISION THAT YOU MADE WHEN THIS DECISION THAT YOU MADE WHEN YOU RECEIVED THIS EXTRADITION YOU RECEIVED THIS EXTRADITION ORDER FROM LOUISIANA. HOW SHOULD ORDER FROM LOUISIANA. HOW SHOULD PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY EXPECT PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY EXPECT THIS CASE TO MOVE FORWARD? HOW THIS CASE TO MOVE FORWARD? HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE LOUISIANA DO YOU EXPECT THE LOUISIANA GOVERNOR TO RESPOND? GOVERNOR TO RESPOND? WE PUT THIS IN PLACE AS SOON WE PUT THIS IN PLACE AS SOON AS WE HEARD ABOUT THE AS WE HEARD ABOUT THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V WADE. I OVERTURNING OF ROE V WADE. I NEEDED TO PROTECT OUR DOCTORS NEEDED TO PROTECT OUR DOCTORS BECAUSE TELEMEDICINE IS THE BECAUSE TELEMEDICINE IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON PEOPLE CAN GET NUMBER ONE REASON PEOPLE CAN GET ABORTION PILLS IN TWO THIRDS OF ABORTION PILLS IN TWO THIRDS OF ALL ABORTIONS ARE NOW BY PILLS, ALL ABORTIONS ARE NOW BY PILLS, AND THEY’VE BEEN APPROVED BY THE AND THEY’VE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA. FDA. FOR 20 YEARS. IT’S SAFE. FOR 20 YEARS. IT’S SAFE. WE HAVE A DOCTOR WHO’S. WE HAVE A DOCTOR WHO’S. TRYING TO HELP. TRYING TO HELP. SOMEONE IN ANOTHER STATE SOMEONE IN ANOTHER STATE WHO’S. WHO’S. BEEN. BEEN. DENIED THE RIGHT OF CONTROL DENIED THE RIGHT OF CONTROL OVER HER OWN BODY, JUST DOING OVER HER OWN BODY, JUST DOING WHAT HER. WHAT HER. OATH REQUIRES. OATH REQUIRES. HER TO DO. AND NOW SHE’S HER TO DO. AND NOW SHE’S TREATED LIKE A CRIMINAL. IT WAS TREATED LIKE A CRIMINAL. IT WAS NOT A TOUGH DECISION FOR ME, NOT A TOUGH DECISION FOR ME, RACHEL. I SAID NO AND HELL NO. I RACHEL. I SAID NO AND HELL NO. I WILL NEVER, EVER SEND THIS WILL NEVER, EVER SEND THIS PERSON INTO HARM’S WAY TO STAND PERSON INTO HARM’S WAY TO STAND FOR 15 YEARS OF POSSIBLE JAIL FOR 15 YEARS OF POSSIBLE JAIL TIME FOR JUST BEING A DOCTOR, TIME FOR JUST BEING A DOCTOR, AND THAT’S WHAT OUR COUNTRY HAS AND THAT’S WHAT OUR COUNTRY HAS COME TO. THIS IS THE RIPPLE COME TO. THIS IS THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THE OVERTURNING OF ROE EFFECT OF THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V WADE, AND THE STACKING OF THE V WADE, AND THE STACKING OF THE SUPREME COURT UNDER THE LAST THE SUPREME COURT UNDER THE LAST THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. I MY TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. I MY MOTHER’S GENERATION, FOUGHT FOR MOTHER’S GENERATION, FOUGHT FOR THESE RIGHTS. MY GENERATION WAS THESE RIGHTS. MY GENERATION WAS ABLE TO TAKE THEM FOR GRANTED, ABLE TO TAKE THEM FOR GRANTED, AND THEY’RE NOT THERE FOR MY AND THEY’RE NOT THERE FOR MY DAUGHTER’S GRADUATION. MY DAUGHTER’S GRADUATION. MY DAUGHTER’S GENERATION, MY GOD, DAUGHTER’S GENERATION, MY GOD, WE’VE GOT TO STAND UP AND FIGHT WE’VE GOT TO STAND UP AND FIGHT AND LET THESE WOMEN KNOW. AND AND LET THESE WOMEN KNOW. AND I’M SORRY FOR THE SISTERS IN I’M SORRY FOR THE SISTERS IN THESE STATES WHERE THEY’RE BEING THESE STATES WHERE THEY’RE BEING REPRESSED, BUT WE SHOULD NOT REPRESSED, BUT WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW GOVERNMENT MANDATED ALLOW GOVERNMENT MANDATED PREGNANCIES. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS PREGNANCIES. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WOMEN DON’T HAVE CONTROL OF WHEN WOMEN DON’T HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN BODIES. SO WE’RE THEIR OWN BODIES. SO WE’RE ALWAYS PROUD TO STAND UP FOR ALWAYS PROUD TO STAND UP FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS HERE IN THE STATE WOMEN’S RIGHTS HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. OF NEW YORK. I FEEL LIKE I’VE BEEN I FEEL LIKE I’VE BEEN ANTICIPATING THIS FOR A LONG ANTICIPATING THIS FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY BECAUSE TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU SIGNED THAT SHIELD BECAUSE YOU SIGNED THAT SHIELD LAW, BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS LAW, BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMING. BUT I ALSO FEEL VERY COMING. BUT I ALSO FEEL VERY UNSETTLED BY THE FACT THAT IT’S UNSETTLED BY THE FACT THAT IT’S ON US. I REALLY DON’T KNOW HOW ON US. I REALLY DON’T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO RESOLVE. I THIS IS GOING TO RESOLVE. I PRESUME THAT YOU’RE EXPECTING PRESUME THAT YOU’RE EXPECTING THIS TO END UP IN FEDERAL COURT, THIS TO END UP IN FEDERAL COURT, POTENTIALLY WITH THE UNITED POTENTIALLY WITH THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT DECIDING STATES SUPREME COURT DECIDING THE STRENGTH OF YOUR SHIELD LAW THE STRENGTH OF YOUR SHIELD LAW VERSUS THE STRENGTH OF VERSUS THE STRENGTH OF LOUISIANA, OR POTENTIALLY LOUISIANA, OR POTENTIALLY TEXAS’S ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION TEXAS’S ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THIS NEW YORK DOCTOR AGAINST THIS NEW YORK DOCTOR DESPITE THE SHIELD. IS THAT DESPITE THE SHIELD. IS THAT WHERE YOU THINK THIS IS GOING? WHERE YOU THINK THIS IS GOING? I BELIEVE IT IS, BECAUSE WHAT I BELIEVE IT IS, BECAUSE WHAT THEY’VE SET UP WAS BY SAYING THEY’VE SET UP WAS BY SAYING THIS GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL THIS GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL STATES. WELL, I HAVE TO STAND UP STATES. WELL, I HAVE TO STAND UP FOR MY STATE LAWS, THE LAW THAT FOR MY STATE LAWS, THE LAW THAT I SIGNED IN 2022 AND AGAIN I SIGNED IN 2022 AND AGAIN UPDATED IN 2023, SAYS I HAVE A UPDATED IN 2023, SAYS I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY, A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THIS RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THIS DOCTOR AND OTHER PROVIDERS WHO DOCTOR AND OTHER PROVIDERS WHO ARE EXERCISING THIS FORM OF CARE ARE EXERCISING THIS FORM OF CARE FOR WOMEN, EVEN OUT OF STATE. SO FOR WOMEN, EVEN OUT OF STATE. SO YES, IT WILL PROBABLY END UP IN YES, IT WILL PROBABLY END UP IN ANOTHER JUDICIAL LITIGATION. BUT ANOTHER JUDICIAL LITIGATION. BUT THE SITUATION. BUT WE’VE GOT TO THE SITUATION. BUT WE’VE GOT TO WE CAN’T JUST ROLL OVER AND PLAY WE CAN’T JUST ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD HERE, RACHEL. I MEAN, WHAT DEAD HERE, RACHEL. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO, LET THIS ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO, LET THIS HAPPEN? NO, WE’VE GOT TO FIGHT HAPPEN? NO, WE’VE GOT TO FIGHT FOR THESE RIGHTS. THIS IS THE FOR THESE RIGHTS. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS PLACE WHERE THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS MOVEMENT STARTED IN 1848. WE HAD MOVEMENT STARTED IN 1848. WE HAD REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS PASSED BY A REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS PASSED BY A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THREE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THREE YEARS BEFORE ROE V WADE. LET’S YEARS BEFORE ROE V WADE. LET’S LOOK AT THAT HISTORY AND HAVE LOOK AT THAT HISTORY AND HAVE PEOPLE START SAYING, MY GOD, HOW PEOPLE START SAYING, MY GOD, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WE CANNOT HAVE DID THIS HAPPEN? WE CANNOT HAVE THIS. AND AS A GOVERNOR, I WILL THIS. AND AS A GOVERNOR, I WILL ALWAYS STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE ALWAYS STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF MY STATE. OF MY STATE. NEW YORK IS ALSO LEADING THE NEW YORK IS ALSO LEADING THE WAY WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER WAY WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER DEMOCRATIC LED STATES IN DEMOCRATIC LED STATES IN CHALLENGING SOME OF THE INITIAL CHALLENGING SOME OF THE INITIAL ACTIONS OF THE TRUMP ACTIONS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. DAY ONE ADMINISTRATION. DAY ONE CHALLENGING THE EFFORT TO TAKE CHALLENGING THE EFFORT TO TAKE AWAY BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, AWAY BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, CHALLENGING THE ACCESS BY ELON CHALLENGING THE ACCESS BY ELON MUSK AND HIS SORT OF KIDS TO GET MUSK AND HIS SORT OF KIDS TO GET INTO THE TREASURY PAYMENT INTO THE TREASURY PAYMENT SYSTEM, AMONG A NUMBER OF OTHER SYSTEM, AMONG A NUMBER OF OTHER LAWSUITS NEW YORK IS TAKING ON LAWSUITS NEW YORK IS TAKING ON WITH OTHER STATES THE BURDEN OF WITH OTHER STATES THE BURDEN OF LITIGATION TO TRY TO STOP THEM. LITIGATION TO TRY TO STOP THEM. DO YOU DO YOU SEE THAT AS DO YOU DO YOU SEE THAT AS ESSENTIALLY THE MAJOR CLASH IN ESSENTIALLY THE MAJOR CLASH IN THIS COUNTRY? THE BEST LEGAL THIS COUNTRY? THE BEST LEGAL FOOTING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE IN FOOTING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO STOP THEM IN TERMS OF TRYING TO STOP THEM IN THE COURTS? THE COURTS? IT’S TRULY ALL WE HAVE, AS IT’S TRULY ALL WE HAVE, AS SAD AS THAT SOUNDS. I SERVED AS SAD AS THAT SOUNDS. I SERVED AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHEN THE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHEN THE HOUSE WAS REPUBLICANS, BUT WE HOUSE WAS REPUBLICANS, BUT WE HAD DEMOCRATIC LEADERS IN THE HAD DEMOCRATIC LEADERS IN THE SENATE, SO THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS SENATE, SO THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS FIREWALL TO STOP CRAZY FROM FIREWALL TO STOP CRAZY FROM HAPPENING. WE DON’T HAVE THAT HAPPENING. WE DON’T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. I WORK SO HARD TO ELECT ANYMORE. I WORK SO HARD TO ELECT ENOUGH DEMOCRATS TO MAKE HAKEEM ENOUGH DEMOCRATS TO MAKE HAKEEM JEFFRIES THE SPEAKER, JUST TO BE JEFFRIES THE SPEAKER, JUST TO BE A COUNTERBALANCE. IF WE ENDED UP A COUNTERBALANCE. IF WE ENDED UP WITH DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE WITH DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WE CAME AS FAR AS WE HOUSE, WE CAME AS FAR AS WE COULD IN NEW YORK. OTHER STATES COULD IN NEW YORK. OTHER STATES DIDN’T GET THERE. THIS IS WHAT DIDN’T GET THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON. 2026 IS WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON. 2026 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. SO WE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. SO WE AS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS NEED THE AS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS NEED THE REINFORCEMENTS TO STOP THIS IN REINFORCEMENTS TO STOP THIS IN WASHINGTON. BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WASHINGTON. BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WE ARE IT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WE ARE IT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF BOLD, COURAGEOUS LEADERS THERE, BOLD, COURAGEOUS LEADERS THERE, GREAT FRIENDS OF MINE. AND THE GREAT FRIENDS OF MINE. AND THE MESSAGE THAT I WANT TO DELIVER, MESSAGE THAT I WANT TO DELIVER, WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HAIR WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HAIR ON FIRE EVERY MOMENT. THERE’S ON FIRE EVERY MOMENT. THERE’S TOO MUCH INCOMING, AND YOU LOSE TOO MUCH INCOMING, AND YOU LOSE YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH THE YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IF THEY THINK AMERICAN PEOPLE IF THEY THINK ALL YOU’RE TRYING TO DO IS ALL YOU’RE TRYING TO DO IS ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK. NOW, IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NOW, IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES WANTS TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND WORK WITH ME TO MAKE NEW AND WORK WITH ME TO MAKE NEW YORK CITY GREAT AGAIN, HELP ME YORK CITY GREAT AGAIN, HELP ME INVEST IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEM. INVEST IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEM. MAKE THE SUBWAY SYSTEM UP TO MAKE THE SUBWAY SYSTEM UP TO EXTEND THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY EXTEND THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY UP TO HARLEM SO COMMUNITIES OF UP TO HARLEM SO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR CAN HAVE A SHORTER COMMUTE COLOR CAN HAVE A SHORTER COMMUTE TO THE MONEY JOBS DOWN IN WALL TO THE MONEY JOBS DOWN IN WALL STREET. YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION. STREET. YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION. I’LL WORK WITH YOU. THAT’S WHAT I’LL WORK WITH YOU. THAT’S WHAT I’M TRYING TO DO. AND FIGHT FOR I’M TRYING TO DO. AND FIGHT FOR CONGESTION PRICING, WHICH I CONGESTION PRICING, WHICH I WASN’T SURE HOW IT WORKED. WASN’T SURE HOW IT WORKED. RACHEL, PEOPLE ARE GETTING RACHEL, PEOPLE ARE GETTING AROUND THE CITY WITH EASE AND AROUND THE CITY WITH EASE AND MORE OF THE COMMUTERS ARE COMING MORE OF THE COMMUTERS ARE COMING IN SAYING, MY RIDE. I SHAVED 20 IN SAYING, MY RIDE. I SHAVED 20 30 MINUTES AND THAT IS WORTH THE 30 MINUTES AND THAT IS WORTH THE COST. SO THESE ARE AREAS I’M COST. SO THESE ARE AREAS I’M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. SO IT’S NOT ALL ADMINISTRATION. SO IT’S NOT ALL ANTI-EVERYTHING, BUT YOU COME ANTI-EVERYTHING, BUT YOU COME AFTER ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE AFTER ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED IN OUR STATE. TAKE FOR GRANTED IN OUR STATE. NOW YOU’VE GOT TO FIGHT ON YOUR NOW YOU’VE GOT TO FIGHT ON YOUR HANDS. HANDS. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS DRAMA INVOLVING MAYOR ERIC ADAMS DRAMA INVOLVING MAYOR ERIC ADAMS AND THE CORRUPTION CHARGES AND THE CORRUPTION CHARGES AGAINST HIM. WHAT WE’VE JUST AGAINST HIM. WHAT WE’VE JUST SEEN WITH THE RESIGNATION OF THE SEEN WITH THE RESIGNATION OF THE U.S. ATTORNEY, THE TRUMP U.S. ATTORNEY, THE TRUMP APPOINTED ACTING U.S. ATTORNEY, APPOINTED ACTING U.S. ATTORNEY, THE REMOVAL OF LINE PROSECUTORS THE REMOVAL OF LINE PROSECUTORS ON THAT CASE, THE DEMAND FROM ON THAT CASE, THE DEMAND FROM MAIN JUSTICE TO DROP THAT CASE, MAIN JUSTICE TO DROP THAT CASE, THE REFUSAL FROM S.D.N.Y TO DO THE REFUSAL FROM S.D.N.Y TO DO IT, THE THEN THE RESIGNATION OF IT, THE THEN THE RESIGNATION OF MAIN JUSTICE OFFICIALS WHO HAD MAIN JUSTICE OFFICIALS WHO HAD THE CASE DUMPED ON THEM AND THEY THE CASE DUMPED ON THEM AND THEY WOULDN’T TAKE IT EITHER. THIS IS WOULDN’T TAKE IT EITHER. THIS IS JUST AN INCREDIBLE DRAMA IN JUST AN INCREDIBLE DRAMA IN TERMS OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TERMS OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU ARE IN A VERY RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU ARE IN A VERY UNUSUAL POSITION, A SINGULAR UNUSUAL POSITION, A SINGULAR POSITION WITH REGARD TO THIS POSITION WITH REGARD TO THIS CASE, WHICH IS THAT THANKS TO CASE, WHICH IS THAT THANKS TO THE NEW YORK STATE CONSTITUTION THE NEW YORK STATE CONSTITUTION AND NEW YORK CITY LAW, YOU ARE AND NEW YORK CITY LAW, YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS THE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS THE POWER TO EFFECTIVELY FIRE MAYOR POWER TO EFFECTIVELY FIRE MAYOR ERIC ADAMS AND REMOVE HIM FROM ERIC ADAMS AND REMOVE HIM FROM THIS POSITION, WHICH MIGHT THIS POSITION, WHICH MIGHT CONCEIVABLY MOOT THIS WHOLE CONCEIVABLY MOOT THIS WHOLE FIGHT. HOW ARE YOU THINKING FIGHT. HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THAT NOW? YOU COULD HAVE ABOUT THAT NOW? YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT AT ANY POINT UNTIL NOW. DONE IT AT ANY POINT UNTIL NOW. BUT NOW, GIVEN THIS CRISIS BUT NOW, GIVEN THIS CRISIS THAT’S EMERGED IN FEDERAL LAW THAT’S EMERGED IN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AROUND THIS CASE, ENFORCEMENT AROUND THIS CASE, ARE YOU FEELING DIFFERENTLY ARE YOU FEELING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY? ABOUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY? LET ME TELL YOU FROM A COUPLE LET ME TELL YOU FROM A COUPLE OF ANGLES HERE. ONE IS THAT THIS OF ANGLES HERE. ONE IS THAT THIS IS UNBELIEVABLY UNPRECEDENTED IS UNBELIEVABLY UNPRECEDENTED FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN WASHINGTON TO INTERFERE IN THIS WASHINGTON TO INTERFERE IN THIS WAY. MY HUSBAND WAS A 30 YEAR WAY. MY HUSBAND WAS A 30 YEAR FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. BARACK OBAMA FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. BARACK OBAMA MADE HIM HIS UNITED STATES MADE HIM HIS UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. YOU LOOK AT WHAT ATTORNEY. YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED HERE. THIS IS NOT HAPPENED HERE. THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN OUR SYSTEM SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. THE BIDEN OF JUSTICE. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN THAT ADMINISTRATION IN THAT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS ALREADY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS ALREADY SHOWING THEY’RE CORRUPT. NOW, SHOWING THEY’RE CORRUPT. NOW, SET THAT ASIDE. I DID SEE THE SET THAT ASIDE. I DID SEE THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE ACTING UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. ACTING UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. THE ALLEGATIONS ARE EXTREMELY THE ALLEGATIONS ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNING AND SERIOUS. CONCERNING AND SERIOUS. YES. YES. BUT I CANNOT, AS THE GOVERNOR BUT I CANNOT, AS THE GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE, HAVE A KNEE JERK, OF THIS STATE, HAVE A KNEE JERK, POLITICALLY MOTIVATED REACTION, POLITICALLY MOTIVATED REACTION, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO DO SAYING RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO DO IT SMART. WHAT’S RIGHT. AND I’M IT SMART. WHAT’S RIGHT. AND I’M CONSULTING WITH OTHER LEADERS IN CONSULTING WITH OTHER LEADERS IN GOVERNMENT AT THIS TIME. WE’VE GOVERNMENT AT THIS TIME. WE’VE GOT TO HAVE ONE SANE PERSON IN GOT TO HAVE ONE SANE PERSON IN THIS STATE WHO CAN CUT THROUGH THIS STATE WHO CAN CUT THROUGH ALL THE CRAP AND SAY, WHAT IS MY ALL THE CRAP AND SAY, WHAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY? GUIDE ME TO DO. RESPONSIBILITY? GUIDE ME TO DO. AND JUST AS WHEN THE ALLEGATIONS AND JUST AS WHEN THE ALLEGATIONS CAME OUT LAST SEPTEMBER, I AND CAME OUT LAST SEPTEMBER, I AND THE CITY WAS IN CHAOS, I SAID, I THE CITY WAS IN CHAOS, I SAID, I WILL INTERCEDE, WORK WITH THE WILL INTERCEDE, WORK WITH THE MAYOR TO GET RID OF A LOT OF MAYOR TO GET RID OF A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER INDICTMENT. PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER INDICTMENT. COMMENT DOWN, BRING IN A NEW COMMENT DOWN, BRING IN A NEW POLICE CHIEF COMMISSIONER WHO’S POLICE CHIEF COMMISSIONER WHO’S DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. OUR DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. OUR SUBWAYS ARE SAFER. PEOPLE ARE SUBWAYS ARE SAFER. PEOPLE ARE FEELING BETTER AROUND THE CITY. FEELING BETTER AROUND THE CITY. MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK. 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MY GENERATION WAS ABLE TO TAKE THEM FOR GRANTED, ABLE TO TAKE THEM FOR GRANTED, AND THEY’RE NOT THERE FOR MY AND THEY’RE NOT THERE FOR MY DAUGHTER’S GRADUATION. MY DAUGHTER’S GRADUATION. MY DAUGHTER’S GENERATION, MY GOD, DAUGHTER’S GENERATION, MY GOD, WE’VE GOT TO STAND UP AND FIGHT WE’VE GOT TO STAND UP AND FIGHT AND LET THESE WOMEN KNOW. AND AND LET THESE WOMEN KNOW. AND I’M SORRY FOR THE SISTERS IN I’M SORRY FOR THE SISTERS IN THESE STATES WHERE THEY’RE BEING THESE STATES WHERE THEY’RE BEING REPRESSED, BUT WE SHOULD NOT REPRESSED, BUT WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW GOVERNMENT MANDATED ALLOW GOVERNMENT MANDATED PREGNANCIES. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS PREGNANCIES. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WOMEN DON’T HAVE CONTROL OF WHEN WOMEN DON’T HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN BODIES. SO WE’RE THEIR OWN BODIES. SO WE’RE ALWAYS PROUD TO STAND UP FOR ALWAYS PROUD TO STAND UP FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS HERE IN THE STATE WOMEN’S RIGHTS HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. OF NEW YORK.","I FEEL LIKE I’VE BEEN","I FEEL LIKE I’VE BEEN ANTICIPATING THIS FOR A LONG ANTICIPATING THIS FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY BECAUSE TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU SIGNED THAT SHIELD BECAUSE YOU SIGNED THAT SHIELD LAW, BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS LAW, BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMING. BUT I ALSO FEEL VERY COMING. BUT I ALSO FEEL VERY UNSETTLED BY THE FACT THAT IT’S UNSETTLED BY THE FACT THAT IT’S ON US. I REALLY DON’T KNOW HOW ON US. I REALLY DON’T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO RESOLVE. I THIS IS GOING TO RESOLVE. I PRESUME THAT YOU’RE EXPECTING PRESUME THAT YOU’RE EXPECTING THIS TO END UP IN FEDERAL COURT, THIS TO END UP IN FEDERAL COURT, POTENTIALLY WITH THE UNITED POTENTIALLY WITH THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT DECIDING STATES SUPREME COURT DECIDING THE STRENGTH OF YOUR SHIELD LAW THE STRENGTH OF YOUR SHIELD LAW VERSUS THE STRENGTH OF VERSUS THE STRENGTH OF LOUISIANA, OR POTENTIALLY LOUISIANA, OR POTENTIALLY TEXAS’S ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION TEXAS’S ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THIS NEW YORK DOCTOR AGAINST THIS NEW YORK DOCTOR DESPITE THE SHIELD. IS THAT DESPITE THE SHIELD. IS THAT WHERE YOU THINK THIS IS GOING? WHERE YOU THINK THIS IS GOING?","I BELIEVE IT IS, BECAUSE WHAT","I BELIEVE IT IS, BECAUSE WHAT THEY’VE SET UP WAS BY SAYING THEY’VE SET UP WAS BY SAYING THIS GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL THIS GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL STATES. WELL, I HAVE TO STAND UP STATES. WELL, I HAVE TO STAND UP FOR MY STATE LAWS, THE LAW THAT FOR MY STATE LAWS, THE LAW THAT I SIGNED IN 2022 AND AGAIN I SIGNED IN 2022 AND AGAIN UPDATED IN 2023, SAYS I HAVE A UPDATED IN 2023, SAYS I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY, A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THIS RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THIS DOCTOR AND OTHER PROVIDERS WHO DOCTOR AND OTHER PROVIDERS WHO ARE EXERCISING THIS FORM OF CARE ARE EXERCISING THIS FORM OF CARE FOR WOMEN, EVEN OUT OF STATE. SO FOR WOMEN, EVEN OUT OF STATE. SO YES, IT WILL PROBABLY END UP IN YES, IT WILL PROBABLY END UP IN ANOTHER JUDICIAL LITIGATION. BUT ANOTHER JUDICIAL LITIGATION. BUT THE SITUATION. BUT WE’VE GOT TO THE SITUATION. BUT WE’VE GOT TO WE CAN’T JUST ROLL OVER AND PLAY WE CAN’T JUST ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD HERE, RACHEL. I MEAN, WHAT DEAD HERE, RACHEL. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO, LET THIS ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO, LET THIS HAPPEN? NO, WE’VE GOT TO FIGHT HAPPEN? NO, WE’VE GOT TO FIGHT FOR THESE RIGHTS. THIS IS THE FOR THESE RIGHTS. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS PLACE WHERE THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS MOVEMENT STARTED IN 1848. WE HAD MOVEMENT STARTED IN 1848. WE HAD REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS PASSED BY A REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS PASSED BY A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THREE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THREE YEARS BEFORE ROE V WADE. LET’S YEARS BEFORE ROE V WADE. LET’S LOOK AT THAT HISTORY AND HAVE LOOK AT THAT HISTORY AND HAVE PEOPLE START SAYING, MY GOD, HOW PEOPLE START SAYING, MY GOD, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WE CANNOT HAVE DID THIS HAPPEN? WE CANNOT HAVE THIS. AND AS A GOVERNOR, I WILL THIS. AND AS A GOVERNOR, I WILL ALWAYS STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE ALWAYS STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF MY STATE. OF MY STATE.","NEW YORK IS ALSO LEADING THE","NEW YORK IS ALSO LEADING THE WAY WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER WAY WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER DEMOCRATIC LED STATES IN DEMOCRATIC LED STATES IN CHALLENGING SOME OF THE INITIAL CHALLENGING SOME OF THE INITIAL ACTIONS OF THE TRUMP ACTIONS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. DAY ONE ADMINISTRATION. DAY ONE CHALLENGING THE EFFORT TO TAKE CHALLENGING THE EFFORT TO TAKE AWAY BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, AWAY BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, CHALLENGING THE ACCESS BY ELON CHALLENGING THE ACCESS BY ELON MUSK AND HIS SORT OF KIDS TO GET MUSK AND HIS SORT OF KIDS TO GET INTO THE TREASURY PAYMENT INTO THE TREASURY PAYMENT SYSTEM, AMONG A NUMBER OF OTHER SYSTEM, AMONG A NUMBER OF OTHER LAWSUITS NEW YORK IS TAKING ON LAWSUITS NEW YORK IS TAKING ON WITH OTHER STATES THE BURDEN OF WITH OTHER STATES THE BURDEN OF LITIGATION TO TRY TO STOP THEM. LITIGATION TO TRY TO STOP THEM. DO YOU DO YOU SEE THAT AS DO YOU DO YOU SEE THAT AS ESSENTIALLY THE MAJOR CLASH IN ESSENTIALLY THE MAJOR CLASH IN THIS COUNTRY? THE BEST LEGAL THIS COUNTRY? THE BEST LEGAL FOOTING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE IN FOOTING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO STOP THEM IN TERMS OF TRYING TO STOP THEM IN THE COURTS? THE COURTS?","IT’S TRULY ALL WE HAVE, AS","IT’S TRULY ALL WE HAVE, AS SAD AS THAT SOUNDS. I SERVED AS SAD AS THAT SOUNDS. I SERVED AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHEN THE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHEN THE HOUSE WAS REPUBLICANS, BUT WE HOUSE WAS REPUBLICANS, BUT WE HAD DEMOCRATIC LEADERS IN THE HAD DEMOCRATIC LEADERS IN THE SENATE, SO THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS SENATE, SO THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS FIREWALL TO STOP CRAZY FROM FIREWALL TO STOP CRAZY FROM HAPPENING. WE DON’T HAVE THAT HAPPENING. WE DON’T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. I WORK SO HARD TO ELECT ANYMORE. I WORK SO HARD TO ELECT ENOUGH DEMOCRATS TO MAKE HAKEEM ENOUGH DEMOCRATS TO MAKE HAKEEM JEFFRIES THE SPEAKER, JUST TO BE JEFFRIES THE SPEAKER, JUST TO BE A COUNTERBALANCE. IF WE ENDED UP A COUNTERBALANCE. IF WE ENDED UP WITH DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE WITH DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WE CAME AS FAR AS WE HOUSE, WE CAME AS FAR AS WE COULD IN NEW YORK. OTHER STATES COULD IN NEW YORK. OTHER STATES DIDN’T GET THERE. THIS IS WHAT DIDN’T GET THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON. 2026 IS WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON. 2026 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. SO WE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. SO WE AS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS NEED THE AS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS NEED THE REINFORCEMENTS TO STOP THIS IN REINFORCEMENTS TO STOP THIS IN WASHINGTON. BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WASHINGTON. BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WE ARE IT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WE ARE IT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF BOLD, COURAGEOUS LEADERS THERE, BOLD, COURAGEOUS LEADERS THERE, GREAT FRIENDS OF MINE. AND THE GREAT FRIENDS OF MINE. AND THE MESSAGE THAT I WANT TO DELIVER, MESSAGE THAT I WANT TO DELIVER, WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HAIR WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HAIR ON FIRE EVERY MOMENT. THERE’S ON FIRE EVERY MOMENT. THERE’S TOO MUCH INCOMING, AND YOU LOSE TOO MUCH INCOMING, AND YOU LOSE YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH THE YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IF THEY THINK AMERICAN PEOPLE IF THEY THINK ALL YOU’RE TRYING TO DO IS ALL YOU’RE TRYING TO DO IS ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK. NOW, IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NOW, IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES WANTS TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND WORK WITH ME TO MAKE NEW AND WORK WITH ME TO MAKE NEW YORK CITY GREAT AGAIN, HELP ME YORK CITY GREAT AGAIN, HELP ME INVEST IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEM. INVEST IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEM. MAKE THE SUBWAY SYSTEM UP TO MAKE THE SUBWAY SYSTEM UP TO EXTEND THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY EXTEND THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY UP TO HARLEM SO COMMUNITIES OF UP TO HARLEM SO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR CAN HAVE A SHORTER COMMUTE COLOR CAN HAVE A SHORTER COMMUTE TO THE MONEY JOBS DOWN IN WALL TO THE MONEY JOBS DOWN IN WALL STREET. YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION. STREET. YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION. I’LL WORK WITH YOU. THAT’S WHAT I’LL WORK WITH YOU. THAT’S WHAT I’M TRYING TO DO. AND FIGHT FOR I’M TRYING TO DO. AND FIGHT FOR CONGESTION PRICING, WHICH I CONGESTION PRICING, WHICH I WASN’T SURE HOW IT WORKED. WASN’T SURE HOW IT WORKED. RACHEL, PEOPLE ARE GETTING RACHEL, PEOPLE ARE GETTING AROUND THE CITY WITH EASE AND AROUND THE CITY WITH EASE AND MORE OF THE COMMUTERS ARE COMING MORE OF THE COMMUTERS ARE COMING IN SAYING, MY RIDE. I SHAVED 20 IN SAYING, MY RIDE. I SHAVED 20 30 MINUTES AND THAT IS WORTH THE 30 MINUTES AND THAT IS WORTH THE COST. SO THESE ARE AREAS I’M COST. SO THESE ARE AREAS I’M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. SO IT’S NOT ALL ADMINISTRATION. SO IT’S NOT ALL ANTI-EVERYTHING, BUT YOU COME ANTI-EVERYTHING, BUT YOU COME AFTER ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE AFTER ANY OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED IN OUR STATE. TAKE FOR GRANTED IN OUR STATE. NOW YOU’VE GOT TO FIGHT ON YOUR NOW YOU’VE GOT TO FIGHT ON YOUR HANDS. HANDS.","LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS","LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS DRAMA INVOLVING MAYOR ERIC ADAMS DRAMA INVOLVING MAYOR ERIC ADAMS AND THE CORRUPTION CHARGES AND THE CORRUPTION CHARGES AGAINST HIM. WHAT WE’VE JUST AGAINST HIM. WHAT WE’VE JUST SEEN WITH THE RESIGNATION OF THE SEEN WITH THE RESIGNATION OF THE U.S. ATTORNEY, THE TRUMP U.S. ATTORNEY, THE TRUMP APPOINTED ACTING U.S. ATTORNEY, APPOINTED ACTING U.S. ATTORNEY, THE REMOVAL OF LINE PROSECUTORS THE REMOVAL OF LINE PROSECUTORS ON THAT CASE, THE DEMAND FROM ON THAT CASE, THE DEMAND FROM MAIN JUSTICE TO DROP THAT CASE, MAIN JUSTICE TO DROP THAT CASE, THE REFUSAL FROM S.D.N.Y TO DO THE REFUSAL FROM S.D.N.Y TO DO IT, THE THEN THE RESIGNATION OF IT, THE THEN THE RESIGNATION OF MAIN JUSTICE OFFICIALS WHO HAD MAIN JUSTICE OFFICIALS WHO HAD THE CASE DUMPED ON THEM AND THEY THE CASE DUMPED ON THEM AND THEY WOULDN’T TAKE IT EITHER. THIS IS WOULDN’T TAKE IT EITHER. THIS IS JUST AN INCREDIBLE DRAMA IN JUST AN INCREDIBLE DRAMA IN TERMS OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TERMS OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU ARE IN A VERY RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU ARE IN A VERY UNUSUAL POSITION, A SINGULAR UNUSUAL POSITION, A SINGULAR POSITION WITH REGARD TO THIS POSITION WITH REGARD TO THIS CASE, WHICH IS THAT THANKS TO CASE, WHICH IS THAT THANKS TO THE NEW YORK STATE CONSTITUTION THE NEW YORK STATE CONSTITUTION AND NEW YORK CITY LAW, YOU ARE AND NEW YORK CITY LAW, YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS THE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS THE POWER TO EFFECTIVELY FIRE MAYOR POWER TO EFFECTIVELY FIRE MAYOR ERIC ADAMS AND REMOVE HIM FROM ERIC ADAMS AND REMOVE HIM FROM THIS POSITION, WHICH MIGHT THIS POSITION, WHICH MIGHT CONCEIVABLY MOOT THIS WHOLE CONCEIVABLY MOOT THIS WHOLE FIGHT. HOW ARE YOU THINKING FIGHT. HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THAT NOW? YOU COULD HAVE ABOUT THAT NOW? YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT AT ANY POINT UNTIL NOW. DONE IT AT ANY POINT UNTIL NOW. BUT NOW, GIVEN THIS CRISIS BUT NOW, GIVEN THIS CRISIS THAT’S EMERGED IN FEDERAL LAW THAT’S EMERGED IN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AROUND THIS CASE, ENFORCEMENT AROUND THIS CASE, ARE YOU FEELING DIFFERENTLY ARE YOU FEELING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY? ABOUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY?","LET ME TELL YOU FROM A COUPLE","LET ME TELL YOU FROM A COUPLE OF ANGLES HERE. ONE IS THAT THIS OF ANGLES HERE. ONE IS THAT THIS IS UNBELIEVABLY UNPRECEDENTED IS UNBELIEVABLY UNPRECEDENTED FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN WASHINGTON TO INTERFERE IN THIS WASHINGTON TO INTERFERE IN THIS WAY. MY HUSBAND WAS A 30 YEAR WAY. MY HUSBAND WAS A 30 YEAR FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. BARACK OBAMA FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. BARACK OBAMA MADE HIM HIS UNITED STATES MADE HIM HIS UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. YOU LOOK AT WHAT ATTORNEY. YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED HERE. THIS IS NOT HAPPENED HERE. THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN OUR SYSTEM SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. THE BIDEN OF JUSTICE. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN THAT ADMINISTRATION IN THAT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS ALREADY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS ALREADY SHOWING THEY’RE CORRUPT. NOW, SHOWING THEY’RE CORRUPT. NOW, SET THAT ASIDE. I DID SEE THE SET THAT ASIDE. I DID SEE THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE ACTING UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. ACTING UNITED STATES ATTORNEY. THE ALLEGATIONS ARE EXTREMELY THE ALLEGATIONS ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNING AND SERIOUS. CONCERNING AND SERIOUS.","YES.","YES.","BUT I CANNOT, AS THE GOVERNOR","BUT I CANNOT, AS THE GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE, HAVE A KNEE JERK, OF THIS STATE, HAVE A KNEE JERK, POLITICALLY MOTIVATED REACTION, POLITICALLY MOTIVATED REACTION, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO DO SAYING RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO DO IT SMART. WHAT’S RIGHT. AND I’M IT SMART. WHAT’S RIGHT. AND I’M CONSULTING WITH OTHER LEADERS IN CONSULTING WITH OTHER LEADERS IN GOVERNMENT AT THIS TIME. WE’VE GOVERNMENT AT THIS TIME. WE’VE GOT TO HAVE ONE SANE PERSON IN GOT TO HAVE ONE SANE PERSON IN THIS STATE WHO CAN CUT THROUGH THIS STATE WHO CAN CUT THROUGH ALL THE CRAP AND SAY, WHAT IS MY ALL THE CRAP AND SAY, WHAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY? GUIDE ME TO DO. RESPONSIBILITY? GUIDE ME TO DO. AND JUST AS WHEN THE ALLEGATIONS AND JUST AS WHEN THE ALLEGATIONS CAME OUT LAST SEPTEMBER, I AND CAME OUT LAST SEPTEMBER, I AND THE CITY WAS IN CHAOS, I SAID, I THE CITY WAS IN CHAOS, I SAID, I WILL INTERCEDE, WORK WITH THE WILL INTERCEDE, WORK WITH THE MAYOR TO GET RID OF A LOT OF MAYOR TO GET RID OF A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER INDICTMENT. PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER INDICTMENT. COMMENT DOWN, BRING IN A NEW COMMENT DOWN, BRING IN A NEW POLICE CHIEF COMMISSIONER WHO’S POLICE CHIEF COMMISSIONER WHO’S DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. OUR DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. OUR SUBWAYS ARE SAFER. PEOPLE ARE SUBWAYS ARE SAFER. PEOPLE ARE FEELING BETTER AROUND THE CITY. FEELING BETTER AROUND THE CITY. MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK. 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