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<dl><dd><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG"><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Explicit-20241123044500-File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG"></span>File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG&action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+discussion%2F2024+November+23%23File%3AMachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG%5D%5D">delete</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=File_talk:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File talk:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" 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title="File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG (page does not exist)">File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG&action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+discussion%2F2024+November+23%23File%3AMachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG%5D%5D">delete</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=File_talk:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File talk:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG&action=history">history</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AMachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG">logs</a>)</span> – uploaded by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nick88#File:MachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG_listed_for_discussion" title="User talk:Nick88">Nick88</a> (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nick88&action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=File%3AMachineReadableIndianPassportLastPage.JPG&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment">notify</a></span> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nick88" title="Special:Contributions/Nick88">contribs</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Nick88" title="Special:ListFiles/Nick88">uploads</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/upload/Nick88" title="Special:Log/upload/Nick88">upload log</a>).</dd></dl> <p>Orphaned, low quality photos of an Indian passport. High quality alternatives available at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Passports_of_India" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Passports of India">c:Category:Passports of India</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit"><span style="color:#000000">✗</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit"><span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Explicit-20241123044500-File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Explicit-20241123044500-File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Explicit-20241123044500-File:MachineReadableIndianPassportCover.JPG"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png-November_23-20241123091700"><span id="File:Chamb.C3.A9ry_Airport_logo.png"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png-November_23-20241123091700"></span><a href="/wiki/File:Chamb%C3%A9ry_Airport_logo.png" title="File:Chambéry Airport logo.png">File:Chambéry Airport logo.png</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png-November_23-20241123091700"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: File:Chambéry Airport logo.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png"><a href="/wiki/File:Chamb%C3%A9ry_Airport_logo.png" title="File:Chambéry Airport logo.png"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241123091700-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png"></span>File:Chambéry Airport logo.png</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Chamb%C3%A9ry_Airport_logo.png&action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+discussion%2F2024+November+23%23File%3AChamb%C3%A9ry+Airport+logo.png%5D%5D">delete</a> | <a href="/wiki/File_talk:Chamb%C3%A9ry_Airport_logo.png" title="File talk:Chambéry Airport logo.png">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Chamb%C3%A9ry_Airport_logo.png&action=history">history</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Chamb%C3%A9ry_Airport_logo.png" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Chambéry Airport logo.png">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AChamb%C3%A9ry+Airport+logo.png">logs</a>)</span> – uploaded by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antonbabich#File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png_listed_for_discussion" title="User talk:Antonbabich">Antonbabich</a> (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Antonbabich&action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=File%3AChamb%C3%A9ry+Airport+logo.png&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment">notify</a></span> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Antonbabich" title="Special:Contributions/Antonbabich">contribs</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Antonbabich" title="Special:ListFiles/Antonbabich">uploads</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/upload/Antonbabich" title="Special:Log/upload/Antonbabich">upload log</a>). </dd></dl> <p>The complex logo (?) is loaded over the simple one without changing the license. Not to mention that in the source it is now .svg. — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241123091700-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241123091700-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241123091700-File:Chambéry_Airport_logo.png"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="File:EleanorDaley.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:EleanorDaley.jpg-November_23-20241123093500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:EleanorDaley.jpg-November_23-20241123093500"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:EleanorDaley.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:EleanorDaley.jpg (page does not exist)">File:EleanorDaley.jpg</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:EleanorDaley.jpg-November_23-20241123093500"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: File:EleanorDaley.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="archived boilerplate ffd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#f3f9ff; margin:1em 0 0 0; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ymblanter-20241130073500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg"></span>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more files. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the discussion was: <b>delete</b>, actually amenable to speedy deletion--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Ymblanter-20241130073500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ymblanter-20241130073500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ymblanter-20241130073500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:EleanorDaley.jpg"><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:EleanorDaley.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:EleanorDaley.jpg (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SecretName101-20241123093500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg"></span>File:EleanorDaley.jpg</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:EleanorDaley.jpg&action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+discussion%2F2024+November+23%23File%3AEleanorDaley.jpg%5D%5D">delete</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=File_talk:EleanorDaley.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File talk:EleanorDaley.jpg (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:EleanorDaley.jpg&action=history">history</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:EleanorDaley.jpg" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/File:EleanorDaley.jpg">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AEleanorDaley.jpg">logs</a>)</span> – uploaded by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Klio0701#File:EleanorDaley.jpg_listed_for_discussion" title="User talk:Klio0701">Klio0701</a> (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Klio0701&action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=File%3AEleanorDaley.jpg&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment">notify</a></span> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Klio0701" title="Special:Contributions/Klio0701">contribs</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Klio0701" title="Special:ListFiles/Klio0701">uploads</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/upload/Klio0701" title="Special:Log/upload/Klio0701">upload log</a>). </dd></dl> <p>Public-domain alternative (<a href="/wiki/File:President_John_F._Kennedy_Meets_with_Mayor_Richard_Daley_of_Chicago_and_Daley%27s_Family_(1).jpg" title="File:President John F. Kennedy Meets with Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago and Daley's Family (1).jpg">File:President John F. Kennedy Meets with Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago and Daley's Family (1).jpg</a>) exists. I have substituted this photo's previous use with it. <a href="/wiki/User:SecretName101" title="User:SecretName101">SecretName101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SecretName101" title="User talk:SecretName101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SecretName101-20241123093500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SecretName101-20241123093500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SecretName101-20241123093500-File:EleanorDaley.jpg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg-November_23-20241123123900"><span id="File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun.2C_wraparound_cover.jpeg"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg-November_23-20241123123900"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg (page does not exist)">File:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg-November_23-20241123123900"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: File:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="archived boilerplate ffd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#f3f9ff; margin:1em 0 0 0; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ymblanter-20241201080600-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"></span>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more files. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the discussion was: <b>delete</b>, the image has been replaced as a result of this discussion, and this one became unused non-free image--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Ymblanter-20241201080600-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ymblanter-20241201080600-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ymblanter-20241201080600-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241123123900-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"></span>File:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg&action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+discussion%2F2024+November+23%23File%3AThe+Man+with+the+Golden+Gun%2C+wraparound+cover.jpeg%5D%5D">delete</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=File_talk:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File talk:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg&action=history">history</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/File:The Man with the Golden Gun, wraparound cover.jpeg">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AThe+Man+with+the+Golden+Gun%2C+wraparound+cover.jpeg">logs</a>)</span> – uploaded by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat#File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg_listed_for_discussion" title="User talk:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SchroCat&action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=File%3AThe+Man+with+the+Golden+Gun%2C+wraparound+cover.jpeg&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro&section=new&create=Post+a+comment">notify</a></span> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SchroCat" title="Special:Contributions/SchroCat">contribs</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/SchroCat" title="Special:ListFiles/SchroCat">uploads</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/upload/SchroCat" title="Special:Log/upload/SchroCat">upload log</a>). </dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FREER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FREER">WP:FREER</a> — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241123123900-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241123123900-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241123123900-File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241123124500-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>Keep</b> What a waste of time. FREER does not play any part in this farce. We have replaced one non-free image with another non-free image, not one iota of which comes under FREER. (Just for clarification, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FREER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FREER">WP:FREER</a> concerns itself with where "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Non-free content cannot be used in cases where a free content equivalent</q>". Where one non-free replaces another non-free, FREER plays no part, whether in deleting the image from an article (along with other changes), or with a deletion discussion where there is no non-free equivalent). When this was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun,_wraparound_cover.jpeg&diff=prev&oldid=1259112232">reverted from the article space</a>, it was done under the rational of CSD F7. Looking at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:F7" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:F7">WP:F7</a>, I am perplexed as to what part of this rationale is relevant here, given: 1. the image is not from an agency; 2. it is not replaceable by a free image; and 3. there is no invalid fair-use claim. The rationale given for this deletion is a false and—given the context—a disruptive one. This discussion should be archived and the image should be allowed to remain on WP as a non-free image.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Although both images (the old and the new) are non-free, the new image shows the whole cover, which actually manages to show the whole book title, not less than half of it, plus aspects of the illustrations that are referred to in the text - aspects that look ridiculous without actually showing the whole cover.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I have asked <a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">user:Iruka13</a> why they think FREER plays a part in this, but they firstly refused to do so and since have been unable or unwilling to offer up an explanation. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241123124500-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241123124500-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241123124500-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20241123131300-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>A blindingly obvious <b>keep</b>. See <a href="/wiki/Template:Non-free_book_cover" title="Template:Non-free book cover">Template:Non-free book cover</a>: "It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of book covers to illustrate an article discussing the book in question … qualifies as fair use under the copyright law of the United States". I can't say I like the cover much, but its use here ticks every box for admissibility under Wikipedia's rules. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley" title="User talk:Tim riley"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Tim_riley-20241123131300-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20241123131300-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20241123131300-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241123151500-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>Keep</b> - Although in the case of most books just the obverse would suffice, the dust cover of <i>The Man with the Golden Gun</i> is implicitly intended to be taken as a single work, with the obverse and reverse both containing the same information (i.e., title, gun) as part of an integral whole. Consequently, this version of the dust cover is the more representational. As for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FREER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FREER">WP:FREER</a>, it's absolutely spurious. The first sentence of that paragraph is "Non-free content cannot be used in cases where a free content equivalent, with an acceptable quality sufficient to serve the encyclopedic purpose, is available or could be created." <i>The Man with the Golden Gun</i> was published in 1965, so even if the cover art were anonymous it would not enter the public domain in Britain in 2036; due to the <a href="/wiki/URAA" class="mw-redirect" title="URAA">URAA</a>, there are similar implications for the United States. <a href="/wiki/Richard_Chopping" title="Richard Chopping">Richard Chopping</a>, the artist, died in 2008, which means the cover art remains in copyright until 2079. There are no "free" alternatives available or potentially available. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Crisco_1492-20241123151500-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241123151500-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241123151500-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241123153900-Crisco_1492-20241123151500"></span>How about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://d2wbzw6bnum9uw.cloudfront.net/media/92c4277c090f47c2ad2e9acc321d9696_1656323647769.jpeg">now</a>? — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241123153900-Crisco_1492-20241123151500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241123153900-Crisco_1492-20241123151500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241123153900-Crisco_1492-20241123151500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241123154600-Iruka13-20241123153900"></span>Iruka13</a>, is there any chance you could explain yourself a little more clearly? The lack of clear communication is not helping. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241123154600-Iruka13-20241123153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241123154600-Iruka13-20241123153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241123154600-Iruka13-20241123153900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241123154900-SchroCat-20241123154600"></span>Sure. I can explain. Your (three) behavior. You didn't read the paragraph I refer to to the end. — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241123154900-SchroCat-20241123154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241123154900-SchroCat-20241123154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241123154900-SchroCat-20241123154600"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241123201400-Iruka13-20241123154900"></span>Chrisco</a>, I think these comments are aimed at you. If you can understand them, can you explain to the rest of us, as Iruka13 had declined to clarify what they are supposed to mean. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241123201400-Iruka13-20241123154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241123201400-Iruka13-20241123154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241123201400-Iruka13-20241123154900"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241123201900-SchroCat-20241123201400"></span>If you are referring to the paragraph beginning "Another consideration for "no free equivalent" are "freer" versions of non-free media," you are clearly not understanding the content - and in fact I already argued against the possibility of the half-cover being used, if that is what you intend. The example provided speaks to the possibility of a dual copyright, wherein an item is copyrighted and an image of it is also copyrighted. You could feasibly have a point that one could purchase a first edition and scan the cover, thereby removing any possibility of the three-dimensional aspect incurring a new copyright (as alluded to below), but that does not remove the fact that any reproduction is copyrighted and fair use. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Crisco_1492-20241123201900-SchroCat-20241123201400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241123201900-SchroCat-20241123201400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241123201900-SchroCat-20241123201400"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nikkimaria-20241123155500-Iruka13-20241123154900"></span>You might want to do a bit more explaining. Keep in mind that this is a 2D work, which means reproduction do not garner their own additional copyright under US law. <a href="/wiki/User:Nikkimaria" title="User:Nikkimaria">Nikkimaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikkimaria" title="User talk:Nikkimaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Nikkimaria-20241123155500-Iruka13-20241123154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nikkimaria-20241123155500-Iruka13-20241123154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nikkimaria-20241123155500-Iruka13-20241123154900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241123155800-Iruka13-20241123154900"></span>I'm sorry Iruka13, but I do not understand what you mean. What paragraph? What is the link to the image supposed to demonstrate or explain? - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241123155800-Iruka13-20241123154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241123155800-Iruka13-20241123154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241123155800-Iruka13-20241123154900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241123160600-SchroCat-20241123155800"></span>Didn't look at the nickname. Wasn't replying to you. — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241123160600-SchroCat-20241123155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241123160600-SchroCat-20241123155800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241123160600-SchroCat-20241123155800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241123161300-Iruka13-20241123160600"></span>Iruka13</a>, Is there any chance you can communicate more clearly then. To whom <i>were</i> you speaking (it would possibly help if you pinged them) and what were you trying to say - they will possibly be as mystified as I am by your method of communication. Explaining more fully may help end this constant back and forth and let people focus on your perceived issues. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241123161300-Iruka13-20241123160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241123161300-Iruka13-20241123160600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241123161300-Iruka13-20241123160600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241123173800-SchroCat-20241123161300"></span>No. These people are distracted by you. You removed a template that you shouldn't have removed. But now these people will learn something. In 7 days. — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241123173800-SchroCat-20241123161300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241123173800-SchroCat-20241123161300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241123173800-SchroCat-20241123161300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241123181300-Iruka13-20241123173800"></span>If you can’t be bothered to explain why you have posted a deletion based on a false rationale, then this is going to end (rightly) with it being closed with the image retained. (The reason I removed the notice was because it's so obviously a false rationale, one I initially thought was just someone being disruptive: I am still not convinced that’s not the case, given a. the rationale is patently false, as several people have explained to you and b. you are being evasive and obstructive in not providing a proper explanation.) - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241123181300-Iruka13-20241123173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241123181300-Iruka13-20241123173800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241123181300-Iruka13-20241123173800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20241124115900-SchroCat-20241123181300"></span>What Iruka does when his images are falsely set for deletion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2023_September_15#File:Bartaman_logo_2023.png" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 September 15">Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 September 15#File:Bartaman logo 2023.png</a>.</dd> <dd>What SchroCat does when his images are falsely set for deletion: ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑.</dd> <dd><small>The people above have already tried to explain it to you three times. Judging by your reaction, they have failed. What are my chances?</small> — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Iruka13-20241124115900-SchroCat-20241123181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20241124115900-SchroCat-20241123181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20241124115900-SchroCat-20241123181300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241124122100-Iruka13-20241124115900"></span>What on earth are you talking about? People are trying to explain to <b>you</b> where you are going wrong on this. Others—including me—have asked you to explain what you are on about, but you have declined several times to write a coherent response explaining why uploading a non-free book cover to replace a non-free book cover is wrong in your opinion. I am still awaiting a proper description in understandable English (and not just a link to a picture) which explains your position on this. This obfuscation and obstruction is disruptive for other users, and you need to address it. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241124122100-Iruka13-20241124115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241124122100-Iruka13-20241124115900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241124122100-Iruka13-20241124115900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ssilvers-20241123163700-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>Keep</b>. The full cover is one image with the title of the book extending from rear to front. It would not adequately illustrate the article to use half (or less) of the image. The snake's skull shown on the rear cover refers to an important plot point in the novel, so it actually provides commentary. In any case, this image follows the non-free image rules and, as others note above, no free or "freer" image is available, so <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FREER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FREER">WP:FREER</a> does not apply here. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ssilvers" title="User:Ssilvers">Ssilvers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssilvers" title="User talk:Ssilvers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Ssilvers-20241123163700-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ssilvers-20241123163700-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ssilvers-20241123163700-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cassianto-20241123171200-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>Keep</b>, as per the very good arguments above. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cassianto" title="User:Cassianto"><span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Cassianto</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cassianto#top" title="User talk:Cassianto"><span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Talk</span></a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Cassianto-20241123171200-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cassianto-20241123171200-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cassianto-20241123171200-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20241123172300-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>It is wasting editors' time when someone whose fragmentary English is unintelligible seeks to engage En.Wiki editors in frivolous arguments. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley" title="User talk:Tim riley"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Tim_riley-20241123172300-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20241123172300-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20241123172300-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felix_QW-20241124131400-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span>Comment</b> I have been made aware of this discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Files_for_discussion#Problems_with_obstructive_and_uncommunicative_editor" title="Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion">Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion#Problems with obstructive and uncommunicative editor</a>. I am not sure if this is what the filer envisaged, but the issue I see with this image is that the panoramic angle at which the dust cover has been photographed goes beyond the mere two-dimensional reproduction intended by <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:PD-Art" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PD-Art">PD-Art</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Therefore, there could arguably be a photographic copyright at play, which would indeed violate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FREER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FREER">WP:FREER</a>. A flat photo of the dust jacket would serve the same purpose, without this potential additional layer of copyright concern. <a href="/wiki/User:Felix_QW" title="User:Felix QW">Felix QW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Felix_QW" title="User talk:Felix QW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Felix_QW-20241124131400-Iruka13-20241123123900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felix_QW-20241124131400-Iruka13-20241123123900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felix_QW-20241124131400-Iruka13-20241123123900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241124132500-Felix_QW-20241124131400"></span>Thank you for providing some clarity into the discussion (although I'm not sure why this couldn't have been explained by the filer earlier). As <a href="/wiki/User:Nikkimaria" title="User:Nikkimaria">Nikkimaria</a> pointed out above, this is a "this is a 2D work, which means reproduction do not garner their own additional copyright under US law", so I'm unconvinced this needs to be considered long. This is also in line with <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a>'s comment that "any reproduction is copyrighted and fair use". - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241124132500-Felix_QW-20241124131400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241124132500-Felix_QW-20241124131400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241124132500-Felix_QW-20241124131400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124133600-SchroCat-20241124132500"></span>I think Felix's point is that, if we were to use <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://james-bond-literary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun?file=The_Man_with_the_Golden_Gun.jpg">an image like Fandom's</a>, the terms of FREER would be better satisfied as there would be no possibility of the 3D positioning creating its own copyright. As I mentioned above, the three-dimensional aspect could incur a new copyright (as alluded to below), which is the concern. Personally, I prefer flat views just in terms of bang for one's buck, but I know some book articles have been illustrated with 3D views on the past – generally without hullaballoo. — <a href="/wiki/User:Crisco_1492" title="User:Crisco 1492">Chris Woodrich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crisco_1492" title="User talk:Crisco 1492">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Crisco_1492-20241124133600-SchroCat-20241124132500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crisco_1492-20241124133600-SchroCat-20241124132500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crisco_1492-20241124133600-SchroCat-20241124132500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Felix_QW-20241124134000-Crisco_1492-20241124133600"></span>I would definitely prefer using the Fandom image, as it serves just as well and resolves any lingering doubts anyone might have regarding photographer's copyright. <a href="/wiki/User:Felix_QW" title="User:Felix QW">Felix QW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Felix_QW" title="User talk:Felix QW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-Felix_QW-20241124134000-Crisco_1492-20241124133600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Felix_QW-20241124134000-Crisco_1492-20241124133600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Felix_QW-20241124134000-Crisco_1492-20241124133600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20241124152400-Felix_QW-20241124134000"></span>There is no sweat of the brow that would provide any basis for secondary copyright, but I've added a new version to bring this to an end. Much of this could have been avoided if Iruka13 acted in a slightly more professional manner and discussed things with people rather than refuse to explain. (By contrast, it's taken no time at all to sort once Felix QW and Crisco explained, which is something Iruka13 needs to take on board. Being obstructive when several people ask a straightforward question is not constructive; I can see why several other local Wikis and Commons have had enough of them.) - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_November_23#c-SchroCat-20241124152400-Felix_QW-20241124134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20241124152400-Felix_QW-20241124134000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20241124152400-Felix_QW-20241124134000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). 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