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</a> <ul id="toc-Povijest-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Izvori" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Izvori"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Izvori</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Izvori-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Vanjske_poveznice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Vanjske_poveznice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Vanjske poveznice</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Vanjske_poveznice-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Sadržaj" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Prikaz sadržaja stranice" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Prikaz sadržaja stranice</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-main">Karni</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector" aria-label="Idi na druge jezične varijante članka. Dostupan je na 20 jezika" > <label id="p-lang-btn-label" for="p-lang-btn-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--action-progressive mw-portlet-lang-heading-20" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-language-progressive mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-language-progressive"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">20 jezika</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bg mw-list-item"><a href="https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8" title="Карни – bugarski" lang="bg" hreflang="bg" data-title="Карни" data-language-autonym="Български" data-language-local-name="bugarski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Български</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bs mw-list-item"><a href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karni" title="Karni – bosanski" lang="bs" hreflang="bs" data-title="Karni" data-language-autonym="Bosanski" data-language-local-name="bosanski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bosanski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ca mw-list-item"><a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carns" title="Carns – katalonski" lang="ca" hreflang="ca" data-title="Carns" data-language-autonym="Català" data-language-local-name="katalonski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Català</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karner_(Volk)" title="Karner (Volk) – njemački" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Karner (Volk)" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="njemački" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Deutsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-el mw-list-item"><a href="https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9A%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%BF%CE%B9" title="Καρνίοι – grčki" lang="el" hreflang="el" data-title="Καρνίοι" data-language-autonym="Ελληνικά" data-language-local-name="grčki" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ελληνικά</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-en mw-list-item"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carni" title="Carni – engleski" lang="en" hreflang="en" data-title="Carni" data-language-autonym="English" data-language-local-name="engleski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>English</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carni" title="Carni – francuski" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Carni" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="francuski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-he mw-list-item"><a href="https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D" title="קרנים – hebrejski" lang="he" hreflang="he" data-title="קרנים" data-language-autonym="עברית" data-language-local-name="hebrejski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>עברית</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnusok" title="Carnusok – mađarski" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Carnusok" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="mađarski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-it mw-list-item"><a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carni" title="Carni – talijanski" lang="it" hreflang="it" data-title="Carni" data-language-autonym="Italiano" data-language-local-name="talijanski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Italiano</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lt mw-list-item"><a href="https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnai" title="Karnai – litavski" lang="lt" hreflang="lt" data-title="Karnai" data-language-autonym="Lietuvių" data-language-local-name="litavski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Lietuvių</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carni" title="Carni – nizozemski" lang="nl" hreflang="nl" data-title="Carni" data-language-autonym="Nederlands" data-language-local-name="nizozemski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Nederlands</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnowie" title="Karnowie – poljski" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Karnowie" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="poljski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Polski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B" title="Карны – ruski" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Карны" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="ruski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Русский</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sh mw-list-item"><a href="https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karni" title="Karni – srpsko-hrvatski" lang="sh" hreflang="sh" data-title="Karni" data-language-autonym="Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски" data-language-local-name="srpsko-hrvatski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sl mw-list-item"><a href="https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karni" title="Karni – slovenski" lang="sl" hreflang="sl" data-title="Karni" data-language-autonym="Slovenščina" data-language-local-name="slovenski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Slovenščina</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sq mw-list-item"><a href="https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karn%C3%ABt" title="Karnët – albanski" lang="sq" hreflang="sq" data-title="Karnët" data-language-autonym="Shqip" data-language-local-name="albanski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Shqip</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8" title="Карни – srpski" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Карни" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="srpski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Српски / srpski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sv mw-list-item"><a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karner" title="Karner – švedski" lang="sv" hreflang="sv" data-title="Karner" data-language-autonym="Svenska" data-language-local-name="švedski" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Svenska</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-vec mw-list-item"><a href="https://vec.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carni" title="Carni – Venetian" lang="vec" hreflang="vec" data-title="Carni" data-language-autonym="Vèneto" data-language-local-name="Venetian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Vèneto</span></a></li> </ul> <div class="after-portlet after-portlet-lang"><span class="wb-langlinks-edit wb-langlinks-link"><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q858677#sitelinks-wikipedia" title="Poveznice na druge jezike" class="wbc-editpage">Uredi poveznice</a></span></div> </div> </div> </div> </header> <div class="vector-page-toolbar"> <div class="vector-page-toolbar-container"> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav aria-label="Imenski prostori"> <div id="p-associated-pages" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-associated-pages" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-nstab-main" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Karni" title="Pogledaj sadržaj [c]" accesskey="c"><span>Stranica</span></a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="new vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Razgovor:Karni&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="discussion" class="new" title="Razgovorna stranica (stranica ne postoji) [t]" accesskey="t"><span>Razgovor</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown emptyPortlet" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-variants-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Promijeni jezičnu varijantu" > <label id="vector-variants-dropdown-label" for="vector-variants-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">hrvatski</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation" class="vector-collapsible"> <nav aria-label="Pogledi"> <div id="p-views" class="vector-menu vector-menu-tabs mw-portlet mw-portlet-views" > <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Karni"><span>Čitaj</span></a></li><li id="ca-ve-edit" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&veaction=edit" title="Uredite ovu stranicu [v]" accesskey="v"><span>Uredi</span></a></li><li id="ca-edit" class="collapsible vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=edit" title="Uredite izvorni kôd ove stranice [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Uredi kôd</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=history" title="Ranije izmjene na ovoj stranici [h]" accesskey="h"><span>Vidi povijest</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Pomagala"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Pomagala" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Pomagala</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> <div id="vector-page-tools" class="vector-page-tools vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-page-tools-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-unpinned" data-feature-name="page-tools-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-page-tools" data-pinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-page-tools-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Pomagala</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.pin">premjesti</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-page-tools.unpin">sakrij</button> </div> <div id="p-cactions" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-cactions emptyPortlet vector-has-collapsible-items" title="Više mogućnosti" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Radnje </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-more-view" class="selected vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Karni"><span>Čitaj</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-ve-edit" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&veaction=edit" title="Uredite ovu stranicu [v]" accesskey="v"><span>Uredi</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-edit" class="collapsible vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=edit" title="Uredite izvorni kôd ove stranice [e]" accesskey="e"><span>Uredi kôd</span></a></li><li id="ca-more-history" class="vector-more-collapsible-item mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=history"><span>Vidi povijest</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-tb" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-tb" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Razno </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="t-whatlinkshere" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Posebno:%C5%A0to_vodi_ovamo/Karni" title="Popis svih stranica koje sadrže poveznice na ovu stranicu [j]" accesskey="j"><span>Što vodi ovamo</span></a></li><li id="t-recentchangeslinked" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Posebno:Povezane_promjene/Karni" rel="nofollow" title="Nedavne promjene na stranicama koje su povezane s navedenom stranicom [k]" accesskey="k"><span>Povezane promjene</span></a></li><li id="t-upload" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedija:Upload" title="Postavi datoteke [u]" accesskey="u"><span>Postavi datoteku</span></a></li><li id="t-specialpages" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Posebno:Posebne_stranice" title="Popis svih posebnih stranica [q]" accesskey="q"><span>Posebne stranice</span></a></li><li id="t-permalink" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&oldid=6610537" title="Trajna poveznica na ovu verziju stranice"><span>Trajna poveznica</span></a></li><li id="t-info" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=info" title="Više informacija o ovoj stranici"><span>Podatci o stranici</span></a></li><li id="t-cite" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Posebno:Citiraj&page=Karni&id=6610537&wpFormIdentifier=titleform" title="Informacije o tome kako citirati ovu stranicu"><span>Citiraj ovu stranicu</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Posebno:Skra%C4%87iva%C4%8D_adresa&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKarni"><span>Skraćeni URL</span></a></li><li id="t-urlshortener-qrcode" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Posebno:QrCode&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKarni"><span>Preuzmi QR kôd</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="p-coll-print_export" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-coll-print_export" > <div class="vector-menu-heading"> Ispis/izvoz </div> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="coll-create_a_book" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Posebno:Zbirka&bookcmd=book_creator&referer=Karni"><span>Stvori knjigu</span></a></li><li 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<div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Pomagala"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Izgled"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Izgled</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">premjesti</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Ilirska_plemena.svg/600px-Ilirska_plemena.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1981" data-file-height="1603" /></a><figcaption><center>Karta koja prikazuje približan razmještaj ilirskih plemena i njihove susjede.</center></figcaption></figure> <p><b>Karni</b> (<a href="/wiki/Latinski_jezik" title="Latinski jezik">lat.</a>: <i>Carni</i>) su bili pripadnici naroda čiji su jezik i <a href="/wiki/Kultura" title="Kultura">kultura</a> bili srodni <a href="/wiki/Kelti" title="Kelti">Keltima</a> a njihovo se postojanje i djelovanje postavlja u vrijeme od 4. stoljeća pr. Kr. i to na području istočnih <a href="/wiki/Alpe" title="Alpe">Alpa</a>. Tvrdi se i da je ovo <a href="/wiki/Pleme" title="Pleme">pleme</a> pripadalo grupi venetskih naroda. U području koje je tako gusto naseljeno keltskim plemenima nije teško zaključiti da su sve etničke grupe keltskog podrijetla, pa su tako i Karni proglašeni Keltima.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Prema još jednoj teoriji Karni, zapravo grupa nekoliko plemena, su bili srodni Venetima, Ilirima i Japodima, a kasnije su, pod utjecajem Kelta, postali <i>keltizirani</i>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Povijest">Povijest</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&veaction=edit&section=1" title="Uredi odlomak: Povijest" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>uredi</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=edit&section=1" title="Uredi kôd odjeljka Povijest"><span>uredi kôd</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Oko 400. godine pr. Kr. Karni su s ravnica oko rijeka <a href="/wiki/Rajna" title="Rajna">Rajne</a> i <a href="/wiki/Dunav" title="Dunav">Dunava</a> doselili na područje istočnih Alpa (područje današnje <a href="/wiki/Slovenija" title="Slovenija">Slovenije</a> i sjeverno-istočne <a href="/wiki/Italija" title="Italija">Italije</a>) oko rijeke <a href="/wiki/So%C4%8Da" title="Soča">Soče</a> i gornjeg toka <a href="/wiki/Sava" title="Sava">Save</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Veoma brzo Karni ostvaruju kontakt s Venetima, Histrima i Liburnima te skupa stvaraju tzv. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Ka%C5%A1telijerska_kultura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Kaštelijerska kultura (stranica ne postoji)">kaštelijersku kulturu</a> (graditelji utvrđenih naselja - <i>kaštela</i>). Prema imenu Karni nazvani su <a href="/wiki/Karnske_Alpe" title="Karnske Alpe">Karnske Alpe</a>, povijesna pokrajina <i>Kranjska</i> i grad <a href="/wiki/Kranj" title="Kranj">Kranj</a>, u Sloveniji. </p><p>U 2. stoljeću pr. Kr. Karni potpadaju pod vlast antičkog Rima, točnije, 115. godine pr. Kr. <a href="/wiki/Konzul" class="mw-disambig" title="Konzul">konzul</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Marko_Emilije_Skaur&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Marko Emilije Skaur (stranica ne postoji)">Marko Emilije Skaur</a> postiže konačni trijumf nad Karnima. Pod rimskom utjecajem Karni su relativno brzo latinizirani. Plemena <a href="/wiki/Skordisci" title="Skordisci">Skordisci</a>, <a href="/wiki/Breuci" title="Breuci">Breuci</a>, Karni i <a href="/wiki/Dardanci" title="Dardanci">Dardanci</a> su bili najranija prepreka rimskoj ekspanziji na <a href="/wiki/Balkan" class="mw-disambig" title="Balkan">Balkan</a>, ali kasnije su odigrali bitnu ulogu u odbrani rimskih provincija od upada Germana.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>U kasnijim stoljećima, pod pritiskom nadolazećih <a href="/wiki/Slaveni" title="Slaveni">Slavena</a> i <a href="/wiki/Germani" title="Germani">Germana</a>, područje Karna se sužava samo na planinska područja i nizinskom dijelu u <i>Furlaniji</i>. O Karnima su pisali antički povjesničari <a href="/wiki/Livije" title="Livije">Livije</a>, <a href="/wiki/Plinije" class="mw-disambig" title="Plinije">Plinije</a> i <a href="/wiki/Strabon" title="Strabon">Strabon</a>. </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding-left:3%; padding-right:3%; color:var(--color-subtle, #54595d); text-align: left; font-size:95%"> <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Wikiquote-logo.svg/15px-Wikiquote-logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Wikiquote-logo.svg/23px-Wikiquote-logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Wikiquote-logo.svg/30px-Wikiquote-logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="300" data-file-height="355" /></span></span> »"... [Gali] uložiše žalbu pred Senatom na Gaja Kasija Longina, koji bješe konzul prethodne godine, a sad je služio kao vojni tribun u Makedoniji... za uništenje polja alpskih plemena koja su bila prijatelji Rima i odvođenje tisuća u ropstvo... Požalili su se i Karni, Histri i Japodi. Obavijestili su Senat da je Kasije prvo zatražio da mu daju vodiče prema Makedoniji... a onda se okrenuo i napao njihovo područje, prolijevajući krv, silujući i paleći..."«<div>(<small><a href="/wiki/Livije" title="Livije">Livije</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ab_Urbe_condita" title="Ab Urbe condita">Ab Urbe condita</a>, 43.5</small>)</div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Izvori">Izvori</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&veaction=edit&section=2" title="Uredi odlomak: Izvori" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>uredi</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=edit&section=2" title="Uredi kôd odjeljka Izvori"><span>uredi kôd</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r6541845">.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%;margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Ivica Degmedžić: Sjeverno i istočno područje Ilira, str. 57</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08696a.htm">http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08696a.htm</a> "Between the upper Save and the Sotcha lived the Carni".</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.unrv.com/provinces/pannonia.php">http://www.unrv.com/provinces/pannonia.php</a> "... Carni were early enemies of Roman expansion, but later would play an important role in defending the territory from Germanic incursions".</span> </li> </ol></div></div> <ul><li>The Illyrians by J. J. Wilkes, 1992, <a href="/wiki/Me%C4%91unarodni_standardni_knji%C5%BEni_broj" title="Međunarodni standardni knjižni broj">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Posebno:Tra%C5%BEi_ISBN/0-631-19807-5" title="Posebno:Traži ISBN/0-631-19807-5">0-631-19807-5</a></li> <li>Enciklopedija Slovenije; knjiga 5, Mladinska knjiga, Ljubljana, 1991</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Vanjske_poveznice">Vanjske poveznice</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&veaction=edit&section=3" title="Uredi odlomak: Vanjske poveznice" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>uredi</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Karni&action=edit&section=3" title="Uredi kôd odjeljka Vanjske poveznice"><span>uredi kôd</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.unrv.com/provinces/pannonia.php">Panonija</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/35713">Ivica Degmedžić: Sjeverno i istočno područje Ilira (referat sa Simpozijuma o Ilirima u antičko doba, Sarajevo, 10.05.1966)</a></li></ul> <table class="navbox" cellspacing="0" style=";"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:2px;"><table cellspacing="0" class="nowraplinks collapsible autocollapse" style="width:100%;background:transparent;color:inherit;;"><tbody><tr><th style=";" colspan="3" class="navbox-naslov"><div style="float:left; width:6em;text-align:left;"><div class="noprint plainlinksneverexpand navbar" style="background-color:transparent; padding:0; white-space:nowrap; font-weight:normal; font-variant:small-caps; ;;border:none;;"><a href="/wiki/Predlo%C5%BEak:Iliri" title="Predložak:Iliri"><span title="Vidi ovaj predložak." style=";;border:none;;">v</span></a> • <a class="external text" href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Predlo%C5%BEak:Iliri&action=edit"><span style="color:#002bb8;;;border:none;;" title="Možete urediti ovaj predložak. 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(stranica ne postoji)">Pleurat I.</a> • <a href="/wiki/Skerdilajd" title="Skerdilajd">Skerdilajd</a> • <a href="/wiki/Teuta" title="Teuta">Teuta</a></div></td></tr><tr style="height:2px"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-grupa" style=";;"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Ilirski_gradovi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Ilirski gradovi (stranica ne postoji)">Ilirski gradovi</a></td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-popis navbox-neparni"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"><a href="/wiki/Aenona" title="Aenona">Aenona</a> • <a href="/wiki/Albanopolis" title="Albanopolis">Albanopolis</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Amantia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Amantia (stranica ne postoji)">Amantia</a> • <a href="/wiki/Andetrium" title="Andetrium">Andetrium</a> • <a href="/wiki/Arduba" title="Arduba">Arduba</a> • <a href="/wiki/Basanija" title="Basanija">Basanija</a> • <a href="/wiki/Daorson" title="Daorson">Daorson</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Damastion&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Damastion (stranica ne postoji)">Damastion</a> • <a href="/wiki/Delminij" title="Delminij">Delminij</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Doklea&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Doklea (stranica ne postoji)">Doklea</a> • <a href="/wiki/Jadera" title="Jadera">Jadera</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Lihnidos&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Lihnidos (stranica ne postoji)">Lihnidos</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Meteon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Meteon (stranica ne postoji)">Meteon</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Narenta&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Narenta (stranica ne postoji)">Narenta</a> • <a href="/wiki/Nezakcij" title="Nezakcij">Nezakcij</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Ninia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Ninia (stranica ne postoji)">Ninia</a> • <a href="/wiki/Promona" title="Promona">Promona</a> • <a href="/wiki/Rizinum" title="Rizinum">Rizinum</a> • <a href="/wiki/Salona" title="Salona">Salona</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=%C5%A0kodra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Škodra (stranica ne postoji)">Škodra</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Uscana&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Uscana (stranica ne postoji)">Uscana</a></div></td></tr><tr style="height:2px"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-grupa" style=";;"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Ilirska_naselja&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Ilirska naselja (stranica ne postoji)">Ilirska naselja</a></td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-popis navbox-parni"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"><a href="/wiki/Abri" title="Abri">Abri</a> • <a href="/wiki/Glavica_(Stari_Grad,_Hvar)" title="Glavica (Stari Grad, Hvar)">Glavica (Stari Grad, Hvar)</a> • <a href="/wiki/Hum_(brdo)" title="Hum (brdo)">Hum – Sveti Vid</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ilirsko_stanovni%C5%A1tvo_na_Mljetu" title="Ilirsko stanovništvo na Mljetu">Mljetska naselja Ilira</a> • <a href="/wiki/Purkin_kuk" title="Purkin kuk">Purkin kuk</a> (<a href="/wiki/Hvar" title="Hvar">Hvar</a>) • <a href="/wiki/Serilia_liburnica" title="Serilia liburnica">Serilia liburnica</a> (<a href="/wiki/Nin" title="Nin">Nin</a>) • <a href="/wiki/Tor_(Jelsa)" title="Tor (Jelsa)">Tor</a> (Hvar)</div></td></tr><tr style="height:2px"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-grupa" style=";;"><a href="/wiki/Iliri#Ilirska_plemena" title="Iliri">Ilirska plemena</a></td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-popis navbox-neparni"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"><a href="/wiki/Abri" title="Abri">Abri</a> • <a href="/wiki/Albani" title="Albani">Albani</a> • <a href="/wiki/Amantini" title="Amantini">Amantini</a> • <a href="/wiki/Andizeti" title="Andizeti">Andizeti</a> • <a href="/wiki/Ardijejci" title="Ardijejci">Ardijejci</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Azali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Azali (stranica ne postoji)">Azali</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Arijani&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Arijani (stranica ne postoji)">Arijani</a> • <a href="/wiki/Autarijati" title="Autarijati">Autarijati</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Bilioni&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Bilioni (stranica ne postoji)">Bilioni</a> • <a href="/wiki/Breuci" title="Breuci">Breuci</a> • <a href="/wiki/Delmati" title="Delmati">Delmati</a> • <a href="/wiki/Daorsi" title="Daorsi">Daorsi</a> • <a href="/wiki/Dardanci" title="Dardanci">Dardanci</a> <sup>1)</sup> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dazareti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dazareti (stranica ne postoji)">Dazareti</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dauni&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dauni (stranica ne postoji)">Dauni</a> <sup>4)</sup> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Derentini&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Derentini (stranica ne postoji)">Derentini</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Deuri&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Deuri (stranica ne postoji)">Deuri</a> • <a href="/wiki/Dezitijati" title="Dezitijati">Dezitijati</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dindari&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dindari (stranica ne postoji)">Dindari</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dicioni&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dicioni (stranica ne postoji)">Dicioni</a> • <a href="/wiki/Dokleati" title="Dokleati">Dokleati</a> • <a href="/wiki/Enhelejci" title="Enhelejci">Enhelejci</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Galabri&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Galabri (stranica ne postoji)">Galabri</a> <sup>1)</sup> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Glindioni&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Glindioni (stranica ne postoji)">Glindioni</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Grabi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Grabi (stranica ne postoji)">Grabi</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Haonci&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Haonci (stranica ne postoji)">Haonci</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Helidonci&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Helidonci (stranica ne postoji)">Helidonci</a> • <a href="/wiki/Histri" title="Histri">Histri</a> <sup>3)</sup> • <a href="/wiki/Japigi" title="Japigi">Japigi</a> <sup>4)</sup> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=Jasi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Jasi (stranica ne postoji)">Jasi</a> • <a href="/wiki/Japodi" title="Japodi">Japodi</a> <sup>3)</sup> • <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Karni</a> <sup>3)</sup> • <a href="/wiki/Kolapijani" title="Kolapijani">Kolapijani</a> • <a href="/wiki/Katari" title="Katari">Katari</a> <sup>3)</sup> • <a href="/wiki/Labeati" title="Labeati">Labeati</a> • <a href="/wiki/Latobici" title="Latobici">Latobici</a> <sup>2)</sup> • <a href="/wiki/Liburni" title="Liburni">Liburni</a> <sup>3)</sup> • <a 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