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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" > <channel> <title>bbPress Blog » Blog</title> <atom:link href="http://bbpress.org/blog/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /> <link>http://bbpress.org</link> <description>Just another WordPress weblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:34 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item> <title>2010-07-21 Meetup</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/07/2010-07-21-meetup/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/07/2010-07-21-meetup/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:34 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ben L.</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=373</guid> <description><![CDATA[IRC log from the meetup on July 21, 2010 [21:02:40 GMT] <jjj> <meetup> [21:02:58 GMT] <jjj> Hi [21:03:05 GMT] =-= Nightgunner5 is now known as jjj5 [21:03:09 GMT] <jjj5> Hi, jjj! [21:03:10 GMT] <jjj> Haha [21:03:15 GMT] <chrishajer> @ben jjjjj [21:03:30 GMT] <jjj5> [11:37:02am] <jjj3> we should do the dev chat with jjj-jjj5 [21:03:30 GMT] [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[IRC log from the meetup on July 21, 2010 [21:02:40 GMT] <jjj> <meetup> [21:02:58 GMT] <jjj> Hi <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:03:05 GMT] =-= Nightgunner5 is now known as jjj5 [21:03:09 GMT] <jjj5> Hi, jjj! [21:03:10 GMT] <jjj> Haha [21:03:15 GMT] <chrishajer> @ben jjjjj [21:03:30 GMT] <jjj5> [11:37:02am] <jjj3> we should do the dev chat with jjj-jjj5 [21:03:30 GMT] <jjj5> [11:37:09am] <jjj3> that would be make up for some interesting logs [21:03:52 GMT] –>| SHRIKEE (~arnan@a91117.upc-a.chello.nl) has joined #bbpress [21:04:10 GMT] <jjj> Oh come on now… I’m not *that* good of a developer where I need to be cloned. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:04:20 GMT] =-= jjj5 is now known as Nightgunner5 [21:04:22 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Fine <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:04:26 GMT] <jjj> Hahaha [21:04:34 GMT] <SHRIKEE> but now youre only half as good [21:04:37 GMT] <jjj> Probably better off with more Nightgunners and chrishajer’s anyhow <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:05:11 GMT] <chrishajer> ch^5 [21:05:29 GMT] <chrishajer> Gautam is asleep? [21:05:38 GMT] <jjj> So obviously todays meetup is going to be fairly relaxed. Since we’re just getting started I figured we’d have an open discussion. [21:06:01 GMT] <jjj> Yeh I think so. We can always reschedule the next meeting around what works for everyone. [21:06:51 GMT] <chrishajer> does anyone need anything? [21:07:03 GMT] <SHRIKEE> yup [21:07:22 GMT] <jjj> Cocktails? Snacks? <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:07:35 GMT] <SHRIKEE> snacks == win [21:07:58 GMT] –>| r-a-y (~r-a-y@S0106001346ef7dff.vs.shawcable.net) has joined #bbpress [21:08:09 GMT] <chrishajer> beverage? [21:08:27 GMT] <jjj> chrishajer: Eventually we will need more eyes on the plugin code. Gautam’s already found a few little things. [21:08:39 GMT] <jjj> Mostly copy/pasta [21:08:47 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Hey, I fixed one word [21:09:12 GMT] <SHRIKEE> mmm pasta [21:09:44 GMT] <jjj> chrishajer: Do you want to bring us up to speed with where 1.1 is? [21:09:55 GMT] <chrishajer> all - [21:10:23 GMT] <Nightgunner5> 1.1 is right here: http://trac.bbpress.org/browser/trunk [21:10:27 GMT] <chrishajer> 1.1 should be packaged up and released, so we can stop answering stupid questions about things that are broken in 1.0.2 and are already fixed in 1.1 (or if you want to call it, 1.0.3) [21:10:39 GMT] <chrishajer> 1.1 I think has one open bug? [21:10:52 GMT] <chrishajer> it’s far better than 1.0.2 is [21:11:33 GMT] <chrishajer> this one for sure before release http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1301 [21:11:33 GMT] <trac-bot> chrishajer: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1301 critical/high, 1.0.3, Nightgunner5->(no owner), reopened, Fix for incorrect order of posts and for posts being displayed twice [21:11:34 GMT] <r-a-y> There are three tickets left in 1.0.3 – http://trac.bbpress.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=status&milestone=1.0.3 [21:11:42 GMT] <chrishajer> yeah [21:11:57 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Oh right, that’s the one Gautam wanted me to fix [21:11:58 GMT] <chrishajer> 1313 and 1317 are very new tickets [21:12:09 GMT] <chrishajer> we’re talking about fixing year old bugs [21:12:18 GMT] <chrishajer> which ARE fixed in 1.1 now [21:12:22 GMT] <chrishajer> but broken in 1.0.3 [21:12:35 GMT] <r-a-y> chris: Ahh okay, just joined the room. Apologies. [21:12:54 GMT] <jjj> Does it make sense to skip 1.0.3? or are there too many changes in 1.1 to make upgrading easy? [21:13:03 GMT] <chrishajer> jjj [21:13:14 GMT] <chrishajer> Matt said skip 1.0.3, get 1.1 out the door if it’s ready [21:13:23 GMT] <jjj> Cool. [21:14:06 GMT] <chrishajer> From Matt to me May 27 “I don’t think we should update the 0.9 branch anymore, and probably not 1.0 either. (Same as WP.) If 1.1 is ready let’s get it out the door. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ” [21:14:25 GMT] <jjj> Makes sense to me! [21:14:25 GMT] <chrishajer> so, I think the plan is 1.1 (since the 1.0.3 milestone was deleted anyway) [21:14:35 GMT] <chrishajer> at least 1301 should be fixed [21:14:48 GMT] <chrishajer> not sure what’s involved in 1313 and 1317 [21:15:22 GMT] <jjj> 1317 is easy [21:15:28 GMT] <chrishajer> re going from 1.0.2 to 1.0.3, it’s no problem, but a moot point. There was only one minor DB schema change, and that was very recent. But you can upgrade 1.0.2 to 1.0.3 or 1.1 without a problem [21:15:35 GMT] <chrishajer> that’s not programmer talk! [21:15:38 GMT] <chrishajer> easy – pfft [21:16:15 GMT] <jjj> #1313 makes sense at a glance also. [21:16:16 GMT] <trac-bot> jjj: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1313 major, 1.0.3, bobrik->(no owner), new, Wrong looping through terms objects [21:16:45 GMT] <chrishajer> so, let’s make it 1.1 and let’s fix the last couple tickets and then be done with 1.1 – as good as bbPress 1.x in this format (non-plugin) [21:17:00 GMT] <chrishajer> hmm, [21:17:03 GMT] <chrishajer> there’s a patch? [21:17:06 GMT] <chrishajer> didn’t catch that [21:17:10 GMT] <chrishajer> I will test that one [21:17:14 GMT] <jjj> Yep. Patches clean but needs an indent. [21:18:04 GMT] <jjj> So #1301 is the only one that needs attention. [21:18:04 GMT] <trac-bot> jjj: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1301 critical/high, 1.0.3, Nightgunner5->(no owner), reopened, Fix for incorrect order of posts and for posts being displayed twice [21:18:27 GMT] <jjj> after the two easy ones <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:18:51 GMT] <Nightgunner5> I figured out the problem and I’m working on it [21:18:58 GMT] <chrishajer> That’s the status though [21:19:03 GMT] <chrishajer> 1.1 is nearly ready to go [21:19:10 GMT] <chrishajer> fixes some long-standing bugs [21:20:19 GMT] <jjj> Awesome. [21:20:48 GMT] <chrishajer> need me for anything else? [21:20:52 GMT] <jjj> ETA on 1.1 then? By next week, considering testing, etc…? [21:21:04 GMT] <chrishajer> depends on Ben’s patch I think [21:21:09 GMT] <jjj> k [21:21:35 GMT] <jjj> chrishajer: Are you in on 1.2? I haven’t really seen you chime in much about it all. [21:21:54 GMT] <chrishajer> I forget how to do “private” [21:22:03 GMT] <chrishajer> :shrug: [21:22:45 GMT] <Nightgunner5> http://nightgunner5.is-a-geek.net:1337/oh-gosh-lets-just-get-this-over-with.txt [21:22:57 GMT] <jjj> haha [21:23:06 GMT] <chrishajer> rock on [21:23:08 GMT] <Nightgunner5> On the upside, it works perfectly now. On the downside, I used regular expressions. [21:23:39 GMT] <chrishajer> what does the regex do (in Engrish?) [21:24:00 GMT] <Nightgunner5> It finds out what to put the posts in order by [21:24:45 GMT] <jjj> ORDER BY “entertainment value” <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:24:53 GMT] <chrishajer> not what you would consider the “correct way” though? [21:25:19 GMT] <chrishajer> ORDER BY ‘troll value’ ASC [21:25:37 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Well, there’s the saying ‘Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I’ll use regular expressions.” Now they have two problems.’ [21:25:44 GMT] <jjj> chrishajer: ping me later if you want to chat [21:25:47 GMT] <chrishajer> I like that expression [21:25:59 GMT] <chrishajer> @jjj – email me if you need anything [21:26:08 GMT] <jjj> chrishajer: Will do [21:26:23 GMT] <chrishajer> so, we will have two patches for 3 bugs? [21:26:28 GMT] <chrishajer> I will let Gautam know [21:26:29 GMT] <chrishajer> OH [21:26:30 GMT] <chrishajer> jjj [21:26:36 GMT] <jjj> Yessum [21:26:54 GMT] <chrishajer> for some reason, with Gautam, when you give him props, it comes up ? like GautamGupta? [21:27:03 GMT] <chrishajer> he has some weird issue with his username [21:27:04 GMT] <chrishajer> anyway [21:27:08 GMT] <chrishajer> to get around the ? [21:27:13 GMT] <jjj> Yeah you have to ! before it [21:27:14 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Trac thinks it’s a wiki page that doesn’t exist [21:27:18 GMT] <chrishajer> you can do ! like !GautamGupta [21:27:20 GMT] <chrishajer> right [21:27:25 GMT] <chrishajer> @ben [21:27:37 GMT] <jjj> Didn’t know his name came up like that, will do from now on though. [21:27:40 GMT] <chrishajer> there is some weird thing with his username. he changed it or something [21:27:54 GMT] <jjj> ty <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:27:58 GMT] <chrishajer> check the svn log – it always has a question mark after it [21:28:01 GMT] <chrishajer> he like props [21:28:04 GMT] <jjj> Yeah weird. [21:28:09 GMT] <chrishajer> I think he could live on props alone [21:28:13 GMT] <chrishajer> and prolly cheetos [21:28:14 GMT] <Nightgunner5> What? [21:28:25 GMT] <chrishajer> @ben ? [21:28:55 GMT] <chrishajer> this – [21:27] <chrishajer> @ben [21:29:05 GMT] <chrishajer> I think I was just explaining his username thing [21:29:11 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Oh [21:29:12 GMT] <chrishajer> nothing specific [21:29:14 GMT] <Nightgunner5> ok [21:29:23 GMT] <Nightgunner5> So, </meetup>? [21:29:26 GMT] <chrishajer> he showed me the different user names at some point [21:29:37 GMT] <chrishajer> I second </meetup> [21:29:41 GMT] <chrishajer> all in favor [21:29:42 GMT] <chrishajer> ? [21:30:09 GMT] <chrishajer> all opposed? [21:31:08 GMT] <chrishajer> adios amigos ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/07/2010-07-21-meetup/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>1</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>WordPress Integration</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/07/wordpress-integration/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/07/wordpress-integration/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:45:24 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=369</guid> <description><![CDATA[I think WordPress integration is the most important item on the roadmap for the future of bbPress. Why? One, it’s an embarrassing pain in the butt to do now. One of the most frequent questions here on our forums. You have to jump through endless loops, and end up with something worse than most of [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[I think WordPress integration is the most important item on the roadmap for the future of bbPress. Why? One, it’s an embarrassing pain in the butt to do now. One of the most frequent questions here on our forums. You have to jump through endless loops, and end up with something worse than most of the WP plugins for forums. Two, we get the benefit of all the WordPress plugins and themes, which vastly outnumber our current options. Want private messaging? Use the BuddyPress plugin for it. Want OpenID? Stats? Sitemaps? There’s a plugin for that. Social network and profile features, in particular, are useful to the future of discussion forums and it’d be silly of us to duplicate that effort. Three, it’ll be a lot more efficient because right now if you actually do get integration going you’re getting all of WordPress and all of BackPress loaded at once, which is a waste. Four, it’ll make our development more efficient because we’ll be able to focus on the features that make discussions better, communities thrive, and bring bbPress into a new decade, because it still looks/works a lot like the oughts. Five, we’ll be able to leverage the huge installed base of WordPress, over twelve million self-hosted sites at last count. More users of bbPress will also mean more developers, which will make our community much more robust. I believe that the majority of all websites on the internet are going to be running WordPress in the future, so it’s a good horse for us to hitch to. Full, seamless integration with WordPress is something I’ve discussed for years. (Remember my dream of having each comment section being a mini-bbPress forum, complete with threads?) We’ve just taken a number of unfortunate detours (BackPress) on the way there. ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/07/wordpress-integration/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>35</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>2010-01-13 Meetup</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2010-01-13-meetup/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2010-01-13-meetup/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:38:48 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Chris Hajer</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=321</guid> <description><![CDATA[IRC log from the meetup on January 13, 2010 [21:02 GMT] <PeteMall> <meetup> [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> thanks to pete and chris for posting the missing logs [21:04 GMT] <photomatt> we had talked about making meetup basically like a 1-hour bug triage [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> so does anybody have some favorites? [21:05 GMT] <jjj> favorite bugs? [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[IRC log from the meetup on January 13, 2010 [21:02 GMT] <PeteMall> <meetup> [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> thanks to pete and chris for posting the missing logs [21:04 GMT] <photomatt> we had talked about making meetup basically like a 1-hour bug triage [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> so does anybody have some favorites? [21:05 GMT] <jjj> favorite bugs? [21:06 GMT] <jjj> They’re all so good, I don’t know where to start! [21:07 GMT] <GIGALinux> is somewhere a list of features which sould be go into bbpress 1.1, like a roadmap? [21:07 GMT] <nerieru> since nothing is talked about right now [21:07 GMT] <nerieru> how about the docs? [21:07 GMT] <nerieru> they need an update [21:07 GMT] <nerieru> I posted about helping out with that in the topic on the forum [21:07 GMT] <photomatt> GIGALinux: yes, anon posting, email notifications, and bug fixes [21:08 GMT] <photomatt> nerieru: we added 5 people access to the site to be able to update the docs, they should be getting better [21:08 GMT] <GIGALinux> photomatt: thanks [21:08 GMT] <nerieru> ok so you don’t need help with that? [21:08 GMT] <photomatt> nerieru: well if there are mistakes you still see, please point them out! [21:08 GMT] <photomatt> of course it can be made better [21:08 GMT] <filosofo> You can see my work so far on anon posting in #1239 [21:08 GMT] <wp-trac-bot> filosofo: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1239 normal, normal, 1.1, filosofo->Unassigned, new, Login-less Posting [21:08 GMT] <nerieru> Cus frankly my php skills are low, so I’m starting with writing plugins, thought I could help with that as well [21:09 GMT] <nerieru> well where to start matt, it doesn’t even begin to compare with wp’s codex [21:09 GMT] <jjj> photomatt, is the emphasis is on growing bbPress out to include WP functionality, or making it a core plugin that can use what WP can already do? [21:10 GMT] <jjj> I have a feeling I could have bbPress turned into a core plugin pretty quickly. [21:10 GMT] <photomatt> jjj: for 1.1, just improving in-place functionality [21:11 GMT] == Michael_Kuhlmann [n=chatzill@c-98-208-26-59.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bbpress [21:11 GMT] <PeteMall> jjj: thats exactly what I want to do… but we need to support the users and fix the bugs in the current stable version first [21:11 GMT] <PeteMall> the future of bbPress may be a core plugin but it’ll have to wait until the next release [21:11 GMT] <nerieru> hehe good [21:12 GMT] <nerieru> I hope it doesn’t turn into one [21:12 GMT] <hajii> http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1222 Relevant Post Links broken [21:12 GMT] == Michael_Kuhlmann has changed nick to mfgmk [21:12 GMT] <nerieru> also matt, I don’t mind putting together a codex for making bbpress themes [21:12 GMT] <nerieru> like wp’s [21:12 GMT] <hajii> http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1215 post count bug [21:12 GMT] <nerieru> cus right now it pretty much only says which files are needed/possible [21:13 GMT] <hajii> couple RSS related ones I can’t find right off hand [21:13 GMT] <photomatt> hajii: I’m opening these in tabs as you point to them [21:13 GMT] <photomatt> http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1134 [21:13 GMT] <hajii> Those I posted are definitely “BROKEN” not feature requests [21:14 GMT] <hajii> http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1139 0750 permissions for my-templates and my-plugins (non-wordpress-like) [21:15 GMT] == mfgmk has changed nick to avenuek9 [21:15 GMT] <photomatt> hajii: that’s a good one, agreed it should be 755 [21:15 GMT] <hajii> That’s enough truly ‘broken’ stuff for 1 week. I am truly just recording here to post the IRC log on the blog. Gotta run. [21:16 GMT] <hajii> Oops, 3 RSS related ones: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1181 RSS Feeds not validating [21:17 GMT] <hajii> http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1206 Invalid RSS feed when a tag has no posts associated with it [21:17 GMT] <hajii> http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1209 rss.php errors [21:17 GMT] <hajii> 1209 has a patch by gautam [21:18 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: do u think it makes sense to have a bbpressdev.wordpress.com a la wpdevel? [21:18 GMT] <PeteMall> we already hajii doing bug gardening [21:19 GMT] <PeteMall> and there are a few people interested in bug fixes [21:25 GMT] <jjj> photomatt, I like that idea [21:25 GMT] <jjj> petemall also [21:26 GMT] <photomatt> PeteMall: I’m not opposed, but we’re already fragmented and there’s only a few people [21:26 GMT] <photomatt> not 50+ like in WP [21:26 GMT] <PeteMall> true… I just feel like it helps ppl concentrate on their tasks and get other involved [21:28 GMT] <jjj> petemall, do you have a wordpress.com username? [21:29 GMT] <PeteMall> PeteMall [21:29 GMT] <PeteMall> or developersmind [21:29 GMT] <photomatt> I’m going to spend the afternoon going through those tickets, don’t really have anything else for the agenda [21:29 GMT] <photomatt> any final topics? [21:30 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, what’s game for patching? [21:30 GMT] <filosofo> For example, i’d like to add documentation, [21:30 GMT] <filosofo> remove the use of deprecated functions in core, [21:30 GMT] <filosofo> but because those aren’t critical, I’m wondering if the patches have a chance [21:30 GMT] <filosofo> to get in before getting stale. [21:31 GMT] <filosofo> Or before bbPress gets turned into a “core” plugin. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:32 GMT] <photomatt> absolutely [21:32 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: did you want to commit your anon ticket directly? [21:32 GMT] <filosofo> that would be nice. It’s still a work in progress. [21:39 GMT] == DJPaul [n=DJPaul@host217-43-161-31.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bbpress [21:41 GMT] <PeteMall> anything else? [21:42 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: could you confirm your wp.org username [21:42 GMT] <photomatt> nm, it’s on the ticket [21:42 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, it’s filosofo everywhere in wp-land <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:45 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: you should be able to commit directly to bbpress SVN now, want to try it and put “fixes #1239″ in it so it closes the ticket? [21:45 GMT] <wp-trac-bot> photomatt: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1239 normal, normal, 1.1, filosofo->Unassigned, new, Login-less Posting [21:45 GMT] <filosofo> one moment… [21:46 GMT] <GIGALinux> first ticket + patch #1240 [21:46 GMT] <wp-trac-bot> GIGALinux: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1240 normal, normal, 1.1, GIGALinux->Unassigned, new, Installer CSS improvements [21:47 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, seems to work great, thanks [21:48 GMT] <CIA-14> bbPress: filosofo * r2390 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Adding most anon posting functionality; fixes #1239 [21:48 GMT] <wp-trac-bot> CIA-14: http://trac.bbpress.org/changeset/2390 [21:48 GMT] <wp-trac-bot> CIA-14: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1239 normal, normal, 1.1, filosofo->Unassigned, closed, Login-less Posting [21:48 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: *applause* congrats <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:50 GMT] <jjj> congats filosofo! woop woop! [21:50 GMT] <filosofo> thanks <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:52 GMT] <photomatt> one ticket down [21:52 GMT] <photomatt> that’s a good note to end the meetup on [21:52 GMT] <photomatt> </meetup> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2010-01-13-meetup/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>8</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>2010-01-06 Meetup</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2010-01-06-meetup/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2010-01-06-meetup/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>PeteMall</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=304</guid> <description><![CDATA[IRC log from the 6 January 2010 meetup. [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> <meetup> [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> btw [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> did everyone have a good 2010? [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> is there anyplace to get bbpress themes? [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> matt [21:01 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: It’s not over yet [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> 2010 is just starting.. [21:01 [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[IRC log from the 6 January 2010 meetup. [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> <meetup> [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> btw [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> did everyone have a good 2010? [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> is there anyplace to get bbpress themes? [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> matt [21:01 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: It’s not over yet [21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> 2010 is just starting.. [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> ringing it in, I mean [21:02 GMT] <michael-r> Photomatt: Awesome (so far, Matt)! Have had an absolute blast! New Years was great [21:02 GMT] <SHRIKEE_ joined the chat room. [21:02 GMT] <michael-r> And you? [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> pretty good — went to dinner and then a jackie green concert [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> kind of bluesy, kind of country [21:03 GMT] <Nerieru> damn that _ck_ guy is doing his best for bbp [21:03 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: dinner at straits for me [21:03 GMT] <michael-r> nice so let’s get started [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> in terms of things to talk about, since last meeting [21:03 GMT] <Nerieru> matt I seriously just read you went to a jackie chan concert.. [21:03 GMT] <michael-r> Nerieru: _ck_ is a girl, and she’s left… unfortunately [21:03 GMT] <jjj> nerieru, _ck_ is … Yeah [21:04 GMT] <photomatt> we have email notifications live on bbpress.org and in trunk [21:04 GMT] <Nerieru> why has she left? [21:04 GMT] <photomatt> anyone here using it yet on their forums? [21:04 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: not yet – don’t have access to my FTP (haven’t all year). Will try it soon, though. [21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> matt email notifications for what? [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> new replies to threads [21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> jjj: any idea as to why she left? [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> Nerieru: this is a weekly meetup we have — happy to answer your questions afterward [21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> like subscribing? [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> since they seem a bit more basic [21:05 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: The only trunk forum I’m running is on my local computer, and my ISP blocks port 25. [21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> oh yeah it’s wednesday [21:05 GMT] <michael-r> Are there any bugs (other than the one mentioned in the forums)? [21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> and matt, I subscribed to the dev-list so I intended to see this meet [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> no, 100% of my code is 100% bug free [21:06 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: It sent me an email about a spam post. [21:06 GMT] <Nerieru> so I’ll just shut up [21:06 GMT] <Nerieru> till you’re done [21:06 GMT] <Nerieru> (unless I have something good to add) [21:06 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, I’ll get the non-logged in post patch up some time in the next week. Been too busy with holiday visiting the last couple weeks. [21:06 GMT] <michael-r> Well, not bugs – more like deficiencies. I take it all works perfectly? [21:07 GMT] <jjj> photomatt, I’m pretty sure you’re listed as the head of bug creation somewhere… [21:07 GMT] <photomatt> on bbpress.org looks like we only have about 40 subscriptions so far [21:07 GMT] <photomatt> Nightgunner5: yep saw that [21:07 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: I have an idea for email subscribtion> Maybe it’s already been thought up, but shouldn’t there be a customizable template for it in the Admin panel? [21:07 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: no worries! I’m looking forward to it [21:08 GMT] <jjj> michael-r, if we go that route, it still needs to be translatable. [21:08 GMT] <jjj> So that’s hard to do correctly. [21:08 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: what’s the easiest way to send it over for you? [21:08 GMT] <michael-r> jjj: I see. [21:09 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, send what? [21:10 GMT] <photomatt> the patch [21:10 GMT] <filosofo> Put it on trac? [21:10 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: I see we’re missing some important people here. I might be wrong, but I haven’t been round since the first meetup. What else needs to be discussed? [21:11 GMT] <matveb> email notifications is done [21:11 GMT] <matveb> what about trac ticket: http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1233 [21:12 GMT] <photomatt> let me take a look [21:12 GMT] <PeteMall> ahh [21:13 GMT] <PeteMall> that needs to be caught? [21:13 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: bug, should be easy fix [21:13 GMT] <michael-r> Yeah, it should check with Akismet first right? [21:13 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: perfect [21:13 GMT] • Nightgunner5 is working on a patch [21:13 GMT] <matveb> on another topic, I was supposed to bring something to show about my commitment to designing a new “features” section [21:14 GMT] <matveb> as per last meetup [21:14 GMT] <SHRIKEE left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:14 GMT] <SHRIKEE_ is now known as SHRIKEE. [21:14 GMT] <photomatt> Nightgunner5: nice! [21:15 GMT] <photomatt> any other bugs people would like to raise attention on? [21:15 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: Another thing: Is there any progress with the new theme for bbPress.org? [21:15 GMT] <Nightgunner5> The sprintf in the post notification function has an unused variable [21:16 GMT] <PeteMall> michael-r: that’ll come after the wp.org theme [21:16 GMT] <Nightgunner5> __( “%2\$s wrote:\n\n %3\$s\n\nTopic Link: %4\$s\n\nYou’re getting this mail because you subscribed to the topic, visit the topic and login to unsubscribe.” ) – No %%1? [21:16 GMT] <michael-r> PeteMall: I see – any news on that front? [21:17 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: here is the mock up for the features page you asked me to tackle http://bit.ly/8Vfecq [21:17 GMT] <PeteMall> thats a good start [21:18 GMT] <quicoto joined the chat room. [21:18 GMT] <michael-r> matveb: Very nice Now, is that going to be the new bbPress.org theme? [21:19 GMT] <michael-r> Or something like it? [21:19 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: love it! [21:19 GMT] <matveb> thanks [21:20 GMT] <Nightgunner5> http://trac.bbpress.org/attachment/ticket/1233/1233.patch [21:20 GMT] <matveb> following the lead of http://en.wordpress.com/features/ [21:21 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: should I just view source and grab that onto bbpress.org? [21:21 GMT] <michael-r> matveb: I see. [21:21 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: of course [21:22 GMT] <Nightgunner5> The home link goes to wordpress.org [21:22 GMT] <michael-r> Nightgunner5: Not a full tempate, yet. [21:22 GMT] <matveb> Nightgunner5: my bad [21:23 GMT] <photomatt> also on my todo is the meetup log from last week, and the email testing announcement [21:23 GMT] <photomatt> would be great to get more people trying out that feature [21:23 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: maybe a post on the blog? [21:23 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: I can post the logs on bbPress.org [21:25 GMT] <Nightgunner5> http://bbpress.pastebin.com/f32456b03 <- logs from before Matt came in [21:28 GMT] <photomatt> danke [21:29 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: Got a question. What plugins (that currently exist) would become a part of the core, once v2 is out? [21:29 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Subscribe to Topic, obviously [21:29 GMT] <windhamdavid> Schoen [21:30 GMT] <michael-r> Signatures? Attachments? [21:30 GMT] <quicoto> michael-r: agree [21:31 GMT] <dimadin joined the chat room. [21:31 GMT] <PeteMall> michael-r: not decided yet [21:31 GMT] <michael-r> Okay. [21:32 GMT] <photomatt> for me the big ones for 1.1 are anon posting and email posting [21:32 GMT] <photomatt> email posting needs probably 5 more hours of polish [21:33 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: another question. What was the reasoning behind not loading functions.bb-statistics.php when loading bbPress functions in bb-settings.php? [21:33 GMT] <Nightgunner5> matveb: It’s not needed for most pages [21:33 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: I see – nice. [21:33 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo said anon posting is hopefully dropping this week [21:33 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: yes wanted to create a new way of loading things but avoid the mistake we did on WP [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> where everything is loaded with every page [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> I did it throug a query string because want to set us up for the future when we may be a core plugin for WP [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> right now we address a lot of static files in the root [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> all of those should just be query strings and located in bb-includes [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> that’s also why I put subscriptions in the taxonomy table instead of a new table [21:34 GMT] <matveb> I see, but it leads users to believe those functions do not exist, and even to try replicating them, as shown here http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/how-to-show-total-registerd-users-in-forum-2 [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> and avoided the backpress-specific user_id field [21:35 GMT] <photomatt> it allows perfect portability to WP [21:36 GMT] <michael-r> matveb: Showing off my useless code here… I see what you mean though… [21:36 GMT] <dimadin> hey guys, on irclogs I don’t see that you discussed this [21:36 GMT] <GIGALinux left the chat room. (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [21:36 GMT] <matveb> michael-r: no worries [21:36 GMT] <dimadin> are there any plans for feature to split/merge topics? [21:36 GMT] <dimadin> i thinks this is most important missing part from bbpress [21:37 GMT] <dimadin> more important that anon posting [21:37 GMT] <michael-r> dimadin: I don’t think so at all – but that’s up to Matt. [21:38 GMT] <dimadin> i had many problems with users posting in wrong topics and i couldn’t delete those posts and of course couldn’t move them [21:39 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: that’s a good point, I guess what I’m trying to replace is less the includes [21:39 GMT] <photomatt> and more the files like [21:40 GMT] <photomatt> bb-edit.php, bb-post.php, bb-reset-password.php [21:40 GMT] <photomatt> basically all the files in the root directory [21:40 GMT] <photomatt> I’d love if there was just a config and an index.php [21:40 GMT] <matveb> yes, that would be nice [21:40 GMT] <Nightgunner5> The main problem with moving, merging, etc. posts is (as far as I know) that some plugins rely on posts staying in the same topic. [21:40 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: We still need bb-load.php! [21:41 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: agreed. More template and plugin communication. [21:41 GMT] <photomatt> I’m super sorry guys but I have to run early today — about to catch a flight [21:41 GMT] <GIGALinux joined the chat room. [21:41 GMT] <photomatt> before next meeting I will 1) post both logs 2) go through any trac tickets and patches for email posting [21:41 GMT] <michael-r> Nightgunner5: Yeah – thought so too. They can’t keep track of what happens to them… [21:41 GMT] <dimadin> matt, could you just write a quick reply on my question? [21:41 GMT] <photomatt> if things go really well I’ll get email notifications running on some bigger forums so we can see performance/etc data on something more active [21:42 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: if you need anything else from the mock up –images or whatever– just tell me [21:42 GMT] <photomatt> dimadin: it’s not on the roadmap right now, but if you think it’s important could you start a trac ticket with a spec for it? [21:42 GMT] <photomatt> go ahead and put it on the 1.1 milestone [21:42 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: thank you [21:43 GMT] <michael-r> Would be interesting to see how tha turns out. It is quite useful. [21:43 GMT] <dimadin> i think there is some ticket years old [21:43 GMT] <photomatt> dimadin: sure, on WP too [21:43 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: u gonna post the logs or want met to? [21:44 GMT] <photomatt> PeteMall: if you could that would be a big help [21:44 GMT] <photomatt> earliest I could do it is tomorrow anyway because I’ll be in the air [21:44 GMT] <dimadin> matt: i meant for this feature [21:45 GMT] <photomatt> dimadin: oh gotcha! how about if next week we do a trac sweep for the meetup [21:45 GMT] <photomatt> set priorities and roadmap on things [21:45 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: sounds like an idea. [21:45 GMT] <photomatt> so that way if there’s something fairly obvious like that we can make sure we tackle it for 1.1 [21:45 GMT] <matveb> that should be good [21:45 GMT] <PeteMall> I’ll set an agenda and look thru trac for next week [21:45 GMT] <photomatt> which is meant to be a feature release [21:46 GMT] <michael-r> If anything, I’m learning from all this. [21:47 GMT] <photomatt> michael-r: me too [21:47 GMT] <photomatt> alrighty, see everyone next week [21:47 GMT] <PeteMall> </meetup> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2010-01-06-meetup/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>5</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>2009-12-30 Meetup</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2009-12-30-meetup/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2009-12-30-meetup/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:47:38 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Chris Hajer</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=308</guid> <description><![CDATA[IRC log from the 30 December 2009 meetup. [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> <meetup> [21:01 GMT] <matveb> Hi there [21:02 GMT] <photomatt> howdy [21:02 GMT] <photomatt> holidays have been fun, but distracting [21:02 GMT] <photomatt> I’ve been looking at subscription plugins today — none are a direct fit for core [21:03 GMT] <matveb> [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> so [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[IRC log from the 30 December 2009 meetup. [21:01 GMT] <photomatt> <meetup> [21:01 GMT] <matveb> Hi there [21:02 GMT] <photomatt> howdy [21:02 GMT] <photomatt> holidays have been fun, but distracting <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:02 GMT] <photomatt> I’ve been looking at subscription plugins today — none are a direct fit for core [21:03 GMT] <matveb> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> so I’m going to try and take a different approach, using the taxonomy tables [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> if it works we can also shift “”favorites”" to be in taxonomy instead of comma-separated in bb_usermeta [21:03 GMT] <photomatt> which will make querying them much easier [21:03 GMT] <matveb> that is fine [21:04 GMT] <matveb> I read your reasoning about the plugin [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> anyone else have any requests or todos I may have missed? [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> I lost my todo notebook, so I’m floating listlessly right now [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> downside of using paper [21:05 GMT] <photomatt> the battery life is great, but no great backup strategies [21:06 GMT] <matveb> carbon copy? [21:06 GMT] <matveb> but no, no request [21:07 GMT] <matveb> just that I could not make it before and wnated to know [21:07 GMT] <matveb> in which way I could contribute [21:08 GMT] <photomatt> what do you enjoy doing? [21:09 GMT] <matveb> mostly design and theming work [21:09 GMT] <StevenHodson> this made sound strange or silly but what about the idea of encouraging the plugin developers that remain to take part in an “”Adopt a Plugin”" campaign .. there’s a lot of plugins that are really good but have been abandoned pre 1.0 [21:10 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Oh wow [21:10 GMT] <matveb> documentation also [21:10 GMT] <Nightgunner5> I made it to the meetup [21:10 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: would you be up for designing a new features page? http://bbpress.org/about/features/ [21:10 GMT] <matveb> yep, sure [21:11 GMT] <photomatt> bring it to the meetup next week and we’ll talk about it [21:11 GMT] <matveb> ok, what should I bare in mind [21:11 GMT] <photomatt> StevenHodson: any plugins that stand out to you as essential? it’d probably be better to target efforts [21:11 GMT] <StevenHodson> <as an aside note: I will be putting together a series on Converting from SMF to bbPress as I just finished doing this – along with a custom them> [21:11 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: I like this page – http://en.wordpress.com/features/ [21:12 GMT] <matveb> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:12 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: Most of _ck_’s plugins would go on the list of “”essential”" [21:12 GMT] <photomatt> as we bring things in core hopefully we can eliminate the need for many plugins [21:13 GMT] <photomatt> plugins in bbpress are often the equivilent of patches in WP [21:13 GMT] <StevenHodson> photomatt : well I could put together a list .. but it would be coming from the POV of converting existing forums over to bbpress because there are a lot of things in “”traditional”" forums that aren’t in the core .. like “”Unread Posts”" [21:14 GMT] <Nightgunner5> I’d say plugins like Unread Posts are more like patches than PHP4BB [21:14 GMT] <Nightgunner5> (Unread Posts should be in core, PHP4bb is better as a plugin) [21:14 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: u were gonna give me svn access [21:15 GMT] <StevenHodson> I would agree with Nightgunner5 on that .. I like the plugin approach that bbpress has right now but it does make it rather heavy sometimes (as I look at all the plugins I have installed) [21:15 GMT] <photomatt> PeteMall: I did, try it [21:15 GMT] <PeteMall> will do [21:16 GMT] <PeteMall> been juggling many diff projects and plugins [21:16 GMT] <photomatt> as a quick survey, how many plugins do your forums have? [21:16 GMT] <Nightgunner5> bbPress Attachments is kind of a gray area for plugins vs core [21:16 GMT] <StevenHodson>”*36 [21:16 GMT] <StevenHodson> no .. 32 [21:17 GMT] <matveb>”*18 [21:17 GMT] <Nightgunner5> All (15) | Active (13) | Inactive (1) | Autoloaded (1) [21:17 GMT] <PeteMall> tooo many… we need to cut that down [21:17 GMT] <matveb> but many are simple twicks by Michael [21:17 GMT] <StevenHodson> <side note to Nightgunner5 I have the server guys trying to figure out why that one won’t work for me > [21:17 GMT] <TCI-CrimsonIdol> Hi all.. 24 active plugins [21:18 GMT] <photomatt> 5 active plugins here [21:18 GMT] <Nightgunner5> 2 by _ck_, 3 by MDA, 1 by Matt, and 9 by me [21:18 GMT] <StevenHodson> plugins like Allow Images though seem that they shold be a part of the core [21:18 GMT] <Nightgunner5> StevenHodson: Agreed [21:19 GMT] <StevenHodson> as should all the BBCode stuff [21:19 GMT] <Nightgunner5> I think bbCode is a plugin [21:19 GMT] <StevenHodson> it is [21:19 GMT] <Nightgunner5> WordPress works fine with only HTML [21:19 GMT] <Nightgunner5> s/is/should stay as/ [21:20 GMT] <StevenHodson> it’s just that ttext area for posting messages is too ‘old style’ for those coming from other forum packages [21:20 GMT] <photomatt> Nightgunner5: WP is HTML + autop + texturize [21:20 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Optional TinyMCE then? [21:21 GMT] <quicoto> User Joined [21:21 GMT] <StevenHodson> problem is that tinyMCE isn’t so tiny <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:21 GMT] <PeteMall> StevenHodson: don’t hold ur breath on bbCode in core [21:22 GMT] <StevenHodson> PeteMall: np .. I can live with it being a plugin .. I would just like it to be a less of a challenge for those moving from other forum packages to try and provide their users witha similar UI [21:22 GMT] <StevenHodson> personally I like the light approach [21:23 GMT] <photomatt> yes tinymce is a beast! [21:23 GMT] <StevenHodson> my users don’t <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:23 GMT] <PeteMall> yea… thats the point behind bbPress. Keep it light and simple [21:23 GMT] <photomatt> I’m still on the fence about WYSIWYG [21:23 GMT] <photomatt> it could be done well or badly [21:23 GMT] <photomatt> but I feel like there are more important issues to tackle first, so we don’t have to decide now [21:23 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: I choose well. [21:25 GMT] <photomatt> any new year’s wishes? [21:25 GMT] <matveb> what about roles and capabilities? [21:25 GMT] <PeteMall> making a decision on making bbPress a WP plugin [21:25 GMT] <PeteMall> perhaps using custom post types [21:25 GMT] <Nightgunner5> matveb: That already exists [21:25 GMT] <photomatt> mine is for the taxonomy system to not plunge me into a catatonic state [21:25 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Hot tags actually being “”hot”"? [21:25 GMT] <PeteMall> I would really start spending a lot more time doing that if we can make a decision [21:26 GMT] <photomatt> bbPress will definitely be a WP plugin [21:26 GMT] <photomatt> but don’t want to change the data structure decision until 1.2-ish [21:26 GMT] <photomatt> we owe users improvements before we rewrite data structures [21:26 GMT] <PeteMall> true [21:27 GMT] <photomatt> putting new stuff into things that will easily transition, which is why I’m putting subscriptions in taxonomy [21:28 GMT] <PeteMall> agreed… so what are the top five things we need to do for the next release [21:28 GMT] <Nightgunner5> 1. Integration [21:28 GMT] <photomatt> 1. bug fixes [21:29 GMT] <TCI-CrimsonIdol> i think bring in a view “”patches”" in the core will be great for a little update, e.g. Limit Latest Discussion [21:29 GMT] <photomatt> 2. email notification [21:29 GMT] <photomatt> 3. anon comments from filosofo [21:30 GMT] <photomatt> I think that’s good for 1.1 [21:30 GMT] <matveb> do we have time for better documentation on functions? [21:31 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: in the php code or on the site? [21:31 GMT] <StevenHodson> template codex?? <please <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> > [21:31 GMT] <matveb> on site [21:32 GMT] <DJPaul> User Joined [21:32 GMT] <PeteMall> matveb: thats is being worked on [21:32 GMT] <photomatt> sure, there are 5 people now with direct site edit access, you can send your docs to any of them [21:32 GMT] <matveb> perfect, because I have been helping sporadically on bbpress.org pointing to functions which are already capable of what users request [21:32 GMT] <matveb> in themes [21:33 GMT] <photomatt> nice [21:33 GMT] <StevenHodson> matveb: tagged as?? [21:33 GMT] <PeteMall> matveb: feel free to send me anything u want to contribute to bbPress.org [21:34 GMT] <photomatt> I’d like to get back to the subscribe stuff, so any objections to ending meeting early? [21:34 GMT] <Nightgunner5> ‹⁄meetup›? [21:36 GMT] <StevenHodson> since I have knowledgeable folks here .. any suggestions for good books on php and mysql ?? my developer itch is growing after hanging up my toolkit a while back [21:36 GMT] <Nightgunner5> http://php.net/ and http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/ [21:37 GMT] <StevenHodson> Nightgunner5: yup have those but I like my books <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [21:40 GMT] <PeteMall> anything else on the agenda? [21:40 GMT] <matveb> PeteMall & StevenHodson: I will try to gather those posts which are eclectically tagged [21:40 GMT] <StevenHodson> ty [21:40 GMT] <photomatt> </meetup> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2010/01/2009-12-30-meetup/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>2009-12-23 Meetup</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-23-meetup/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-23-meetup/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:10:35 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=302</guid> <description><![CDATA[What, just because it’s two days before Christmas we can’t rock the bbPress? In summary: anonymous comments from filosofo and email from photomatt (me) on deck, bug fixes to make things sing, PeteMall will be directly committing fixes, and hajii will be bug gardening. Meetup log after the jump: [13:01] <photomatt> <meetup> [13:02] <photomatt> merry [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[What, just because it’s two days before Christmas we can’t rock the bbPress? In summary: anonymous comments from filosofo and email from photomatt (me) on deck, bug fixes to make things sing, PeteMall will be directly committing fixes, and hajii will be bug gardening. Meetup log after the jump: [13:01] <photomatt> <meetup> [13:02] <photomatt> merry christmas everyone <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:02] <filosofo> merry Christmas, photomatt <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:02] <photomatt> what is everyone up to these holidays? [13:03] <hajii> workin <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:03] <filosofo> Visiting the in-laws [13:03] <filosofo> photomatt, didn’t you write bbPress over Christmas? If I’m remembering correctly. [13:04] <photomatt> yep, 4 years ago? [13:04] <photomatt> 5? [13:04] <photomatt> I was young and foolish [13:05] <hajii> young-ER [13:05] <photomatt> ha <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:05] <hajii> anything on the agenda this week? [13:06] <photomatt> I cut my teeth yesterday, silly fix [13:06] <photomatt> some error notification stuff with 5.3 [13:07] <photomatt> so now you don’t see a page of white errors when trying to install [13:07] <photomatt> but on the bright side I got my bbpress env all up and kicking [13:08] <filosofo> So what’s the roadmap for bbPress development? How can we get things moving? [13:09] <filosofo> For example, should we start tackling the conversion to wp canonical plugin? [13:09] <photomatt> my todo for the holiday is 1 thing: email notification [13:10] <filosofo> There’s a plugin already for that, right? [13:10] <filosofo> Can you just roll in the code? [13:10] <westi|gone> howdy all [13:11] * westi|gone is now known as westi [13:11] <filosofo> hello westi [13:11] <photomatt> filosofo: buddypress has a pretty good integration method already [13:11] <photomatt> filosofo: do you have a fav plugin for it? could just roll in code [13:11] <westi> photomatt: did you see my note regarding your first 5.3 related change – I think you might have broken the PHP4 compat of the code before you had the right error hiding [13:12] <filosofo> photomatt, I haven’t used email notification on bbPress, I just know of the plugin[s]‘ existence. [13:13] <hajii> What is 5.3, the PHP Version 5.3 where people where getting warnings? [13:13] <hajii> -h [13:13] <westi> hajii: yes PHP 5.3 [13:13] <photomatt> westi: yes, the glotpress and backpress changes? [13:13] <photomatt> I shall fix those [13:13] <westi> photomatt: yes those [13:14] <hajii> Can I propose a plan of attack? [13:14] <westi> my tentacles don’t stretch far enough to revert them <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:14] <filosofo> photomatt, what are your thoughts about buddyPress / bbPress integration? Are you thinking of doing that instead of making bbPress a canonical plugin? [13:14] <photomatt> they’re not mutually exclusive [13:15] <photomatt> have you tried out the buddypress integration? I didn’t realize it had gotten as good as it has [13:16] <filosofo> What makes it different from a non-BuddyPress WP/bbPress integration? [13:16] <photomatt> they basically embed/bundle the whole thing [13:19] <photomatt> I’m pretty chill about 1.1 specifically, I think it can be a feature or two, and a cleanup of trac [13:19] <PeteMall> ok I’m late [13:19] <photomatt> I guess I’m a little scared of the plugin-thing so I’m procrastinating <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:19] <hajii> I vote no new features, fix what is included first [13:19] <hajii> maybe it’s 1.0.4 (or 3 or whatever we’re at) [13:20] <hajii> hpguru opened a bunch of trac tickets recently pointing out things that are included that just don’t work correctly [13:20] <filosofo> I was thinking bbPress as plugin integration would mean, e.g., using WP custom post types, or the like, instead of bbPress’s separate table structure. [13:20] <filosofo> Or maybe like P2 [13:21] <filosofo> bbPress "posts" as WP comments on "forum" WP posts [13:22] <photomatt> hajii: links? which do you think are the most important? [13:23] <photomatt> I’m down with "no new features before bugs" in principle [13:23] <PeteMall> photomatt: r u the only one committing to trac now? [13:23] <PeteMall> I’m gonna work on a few tickets this week [13:24] <PeteMall> christmas shutdown is good for open source projects [13:24] <photomatt> yep <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:24] <photomatt> if you’ve got some stuff you want to knock out I can give you SVN access too [13:24] <photomatt> it’s easy peasy right now [13:24] <PeteMall> that would be nice [13:25] <filosofo> Regarding bbPress / WP integration, it would be nice to be able to use WP template functions for bbPress. [13:25] <PeteMall> photomatt: u manage mullenweg.com right? [13:25] <filosofo> I don’t think you can do that with the buddyPress stuff, right? [13:25] * Salt is now known as Salt|afk [13:25] <photomatt> yep [13:25] <PeteMall> pm [13:26] <hajii> for the record, I think the " [13:26] * Thomas_Clausen (n=Ejer@1010ds1-rdo.0.fullrate.dk) has joined #bbpress [13:26] <hajii> feature poll" was a bad idea. [13:26] <hajii> open a can of worms [13:26] <hajii> bug free == feature [13:27] <filosofo> hajii, asking for suggestions isn’t the same as taking them <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:27] <photomatt> exactly [13:27] <photomatt> and perhaps we’re religious on a few things, I’m pretty anti-bbcode, for example [13:27] <hajii> that’s true. But it’s also demoralizing to some people to give feedback and then never see it go anywhere [13:27] <PeteMall> lol [13:27] <hajii> not me, for example [13:28] <hajii> but, people will EXPECT after submitting their suggestion in a feature poll [13:28] <PeteMall> so whats the long term plan wrt to close wp integration as filosofo has been talking about [13:28] <photomatt> hajii: I tried to make it clear it was feedback-oriented, not necessarily a edict [13:28] <filosofo> hajii, same thing with http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/ [13:28] <photomatt> speaking of that though, I was really surprised by "anonymous posting" [13:29] <photomatt> what exactly does that mean? [13:29] <filosofo> you don’t have to log in, like wp comments [13:29] <photomatt> I mean I know, but I don’t understand the why I guess [13:29] <hajii> some people feel that asking people to log in is a barrier to participation [13:29] <filosofo> why do you see it as different from WP comments? [13:30] <hajii> some people feel facebook connect will also remove a barrier to participation [13:30] <filosofo> You don’t require commenters to log into ma.tt to comment, for example [13:30] <PeteMall> alter egos of forum members [13:30] <photomatt> interesting — that wouldn’t be too hard [13:30] <photomatt> we’ll need better anti-spam and moderation though [13:30] <filosofo> I have a bbPress plugin for "anonymous comments" that’s 98% done [13:30] <hajii> that is/was a plugin as well, anonymous posting [13:31] <photomatt> filosofo: could you put it as a patch on trac? [13:31] <filosofo> sure [13:31] <hajii> better moderation (forum specific) is the oldest ticket on trac, I think <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:31] <hajii> one of the two oldest anyway [13:31] <photomatt> hajii: I’m a big believer in moderation — it’s my fav feature in WP [13:34] <photomatt> did my connection drop? [13:34] <filosofo> photomatt, for future reference, what’s the best way to get your attention for a trac ticket? 02[13:34] * tewwy_ (n=tychay@208.80.69.102) Quit [13:35] <filosofo> since you’re the committer <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:35] <PeteMall> everyone got quiet =) [13:35] <photomatt> filosofo: skype, actually [13:35] <photomatt> saxmatt02 is me on skype [13:36] <filosofo> So you don’t mind if I ping you about a patch on skype? [13:36] <photomatt> for bbpress, not at all [13:36] <filosofo> ok, cool [13:38] <PeteMall> anything else on the agenda for today? [13:38] <photomatt> so it sounds like we have email notif and filosofo’s anon comments on deck [13:38] <photomatt> hajii and PeteMall are into bugs, and we’ll go through trac [13:39] <hajii> do you want me to do anything specific for those bugs in trac that currently exist? [13:39] <photomatt> PeteMall has asked for direct SVN access [13:39] <Thomas_Clausen> @PeteMall I’ll like to throw something in there! [13:40] <Thomas_Clausen> Will porting posibilities from other forumsoftware be a concern in future releases of bbPress? [13:40] <photomatt> PeteMall: the main rule is to put everything possible through trac, post patches there, get feedback and review [13:40] <PeteMall> yup [13:41] <photomatt> but in trunk we can be loosey goosey a little bit, the beautiful thing about SVN is it’s easy to roll back [13:41] <photomatt> oh! and coding style [13:41] <photomatt> http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Coding_Standards [13:41] <PeteMall> I’ve been meaning to talk about that [13:42] <PeteMall> stick to the coding standards… remember – code is poetry [13:42] <hajii> Wait, what was the slogan from 2weeks ago? We suck a little less with each release? [13:43] <filosofo> Not sucking is the goal of all great poets. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:43] <photomatt> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:44] <photomatt> hajii: in trac I’d say most helpful is verifying bugs [13:44] <photomatt> testing patches [13:45] <photomatt> setting priorities and milestones [13:45] <photomatt> being nice to new people that drop by, helping mentor them through getting a patch or idea in the right place [13:46] <photomatt> generally what we call bug gardening in WP, though that is a weird term [13:46] <photomatt> when you think about it [13:47] <hajii> tending to the bugs, lovingly [13:47] <PeteMall> yea… helping them grow. nurturing [13:47] <photomatt> I like tummelling [13:47] <photomatt> http://indexmb.com/tummling-have-you-heard-of-it/ [13:47] <hajii> like the dude who raised the moths in the silence of the lambs, kept them warm, fed them, gave them love [13:48] <hajii> Death’s Head Moth [13:48] <hajii> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:49] <filosofo> well, on that note… <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:50] <photomatt> haha yes [13:50] <hajii> heh [13:50] <photomatt> that’s a good ending point, unless someone else has anything they want to raise [13:50] <hajii> nope, I will focux on bugs [13:50] <hajii> in trac [13:50] * Guest3427 is now known as Nightgunner5 [13:51] <photomatt> well thank you everybody [13:51] <PeteMall> &lt;/meetup [13:51] <PeteMall> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:52] <PeteMall> missed the other side [13:52] <photomatt> man the way mirc stores logs is annoying <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:52] <PeteMall> &lt;&#47meetup&gt; ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-23-meetup/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>10</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>My Bad</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/my-bad/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/my-bad/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Community]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=300</guid> <description><![CDATA[I missed the IRC meetup. Very sorry about this — I didn’t set an alarm and the time just breezed by. I set an alarm! Will see everyone next Wednesday. In other news, the poll results are starting to firm up. Winners? Integration with WordPress far and away, followed by anonymous posting, WYSIWYG, and email [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[I missed the IRC meetup. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> Very sorry about this — I didn’t set an alarm and the time just breezed by. I set an alarm! Will see everyone next Wednesday. In other news, the poll results are starting to firm up. Winners? Integration with WordPress far and away, followed by anonymous posting, WYSIWYG, and email notifications. We’re not going to follow these exactly, but it definitely gives us an idea of what people are most interested in and now we have to look behind the answers at what people mean when they say they want something. For example maybe rather than WYSIWYG we could bring over Oembed support from WordPress? I usually think of WYSIWYG more as a layout thing but a lot of people see it as the only way to include rich media. I’ll dig more into these. ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/my-bad/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>18</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>1.1 Feature Poll</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/1-1-feature-poll/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/1-1-feature-poll/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:16:06 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=291</guid> <description><![CDATA[Alrighty, I’ve collated everything from the survey into the most popular requests, which you guys can now vote on, but only once. The votes aren’t necessarily determine what we work on first, but it’ll be good information to have. What’s most important to you in bbPress 1.1?(polls)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[Alrighty, I’ve collated everything from the survey into the most popular requests, which you guys can now vote on, but only once. The votes aren’t necessarily determine what we work on first, but it’ll be good information to have. <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8" src="http://static.polldaddy.com/p/2388585.js"></script><noscript> <a href="http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/2388585/">What’s most important to you in bbPress 1.1?</a>(<a href="http://answers.polldaddy.com">polls</a>) </noscript> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/1-1-feature-poll/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>12</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>Version 1.1 Features</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/version-1-1-features/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/version-1-1-features/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:59:39 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=282</guid> <description><![CDATA[If you have some ideas about what features should be in 1.1 take this survey and let me know. The survey is open until Saturday, and then on Monday will put up a poll for people to vote on what they like. I’ll share the results at the next IRC meetup on Wednesday. Update: Thanks [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[If you have some ideas about what features should be in 1.1 <a href="http://surveys.polldaddy.com/s/D26F9CAB472338C3/">take this survey and let me know</a>. The survey is open until Saturday, and then on Monday will put up a poll for people to vote on what they like. I’ll share the results at the next IRC meetup on Wednesday. Update: Thanks to everyone who voted in the poll, it’s closed now. ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/version-1-1-features/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>12</slash:comments> </item> <item> <title>2009-12-09 Meetup</title> <link>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-09-meetup/</link> <comments>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-09-meetup/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:12:04 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Meta]]></category> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://bbpress.org/?p=280</guid> <description><![CDATA[We just had our first ever IRC meetup for the new bbPress, here are the logs, sorry if they’re a little rough. If you’d like to join in next time check out the Getting Involved page. [13:01] <photomatt_sf> alrighty -- <meetup> [13:01] <hajii> dan milward == wp-ecommerce [13:01] <Ryan_> San is the WP e-Commerce developer [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[We just had our first ever IRC meetup for the new bbPress, here are the logs, sorry if they’re a little rough. If you’d like to join in next time <a href="http://bbpress.org/documentation/get-involved/">check out the Getting Involved page</a>. <code>[13:01] <photomatt_sf> alrighty -- <meetup> [13:01] <hajii> dan milward == wp-ecommerce [13:01] <Ryan_> San is the WP e-Commerce developer [13:01] <Ryan_> *San = Dan [13:02] <Michael_Rockett> I see - thanks <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:02] <jjj> What's the first topic on the list of things to tackle? [13:02] <photomatt_sf> well first up could everyone who's present introduce themselves? [13:03] <jjj> John James Jacoby - Core contributor for BuddyPress from Miami, FL [13:03] <Ryan_> Ryan Hellyer from PixoPoint.com. I don't have a lot of experience with bbPress but made a theme generator for it about a year ago. It's never worked as well as I'd like and I'm working on a new improved version now. [13:03] <hajii> chrishajer, bbpress.org moderator [13:03] <photomatt_sf> I'm Matt Mullenweg, and I'm working on bbPress.org-the-website and hope to help organize some new momentum for the core software [13:03] <justintadlock> Justin Tadlock here. You know, of justintadlock.com fame, of course. [13:03] <hajii> of course [13:03] <hajii> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:03] <photomatt_sf> haha [13:03] <pmall> Pete Mall - WordPress puts food on my table [13:03] <Michael_Rockett> I'm Michael - pretty much new to bbPress. I'd like to contribute any any way I can - preferably in the visual/design area. My coding knowldge is not good enough to do much more. I will, however, learn in the future. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:03] <andrewpowers> hey I've seen your site <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:04] <jjj> Justin who? [13:04] <andrewpowers> (justintadlock) [13:04] <tom_> Tom de Bruin - been using bbPress for about a year. [13:04] <jjj> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:04] <benhuson> Ben Huson from Camber, UK. Use WordPress a lot to develop bespoke sites - plugins and themes. Implemented bbPress a couple of times. [13:04] <hajii> michael rockett are you Michael888 at bbpress.org? [13:04] <Michael_Rockett> @Ryan_: Sounds interesting - I'd love to see the developments of that. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:04] <andrewpowers> Andrew Powers from Pagelines [13:04] <Michael_Rockett> @hajii: Yes I am <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:04] <hajii> 10:4 [13:04] <andrewpowers> how the heck do you create link? [13:05] <photomatt_sf> alrighty, anyone else want to jump in? [13:05] <Ryan_> @Michael - http://pixopoint.com/products/bbpress-forum-theme-generator/ [13:05] <andrewpowers> "Everything you need to know about WordPress 2.9’s post image feature [13:05] <andrewpowers> Everything you need to know about WordPress 2.9’s post image feature" Good article Justin [13:05] <jjj> photomatt_sf, I'd like to talk about whether to merge into WP or keep a separate platform. [13:06] <Michael_Rockett> @Ryan_: Very nice - I will look at it in the morning. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Thanks and good work, great site. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:06] <jjj> Seems there's pros/cons in both directions, and WP can't completely facilitate this until the post-types are readily available. [13:06] <photomatt_sf> okay, let's make that the first topic [13:06] <photomatt_sf> and give it a time limit of until 1:20 as a hard break [13:06] <hajii> 21:20 <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:07] <Ryan_> I don't think there is a problem with post-types, the standard WP post types could be used until more suitable ones are available (bearing in mind I'm somewhat of a PHP moron) [13:07] <justintadlock> I'm all for making bbPress a plugin and using a "forum" post type. We could use this as a launchpad to see what we need in WP to make post types work better. [13:07] <Ryan_> Then convert everthing over when most suitable post type setup is available. [13:07] <hajii> I will speak from the perspective of people. new people, coming to bbpress.org, since I see all the questions [13:07] <jjj> Ryan_, the problem would be with categorizing the data and making sure WP doesn't think topics are posts. [13:07] <photomatt_sf> my opinion: let's put it on the roadmap [13:07] <jjj> ^topics are blog posts [13:07] <photomatt_sf> I think to get things moving we should focus on a 1.1 [13:07] <Michael_Rockett> I think that bbPress should be available both as a standalone package (for those who do not use WP, but want a forum on an already established site) as well as a plugin/merge-package for WP. [13:08] <jjj> photomatt_sf, good strategy [13:08] <photomatt_sf> that fixes current problems, and maybe adds one hook feature like email notifications [13:08] <photomatt_sf> show the community bbPress is still alive [13:08] <photomatt_sf> and helps existing users [13:08] <hajii> many/most people want integration, and to them, that means they want the theme to look the same, and they want users to log in one time, and they want access to WordPress function (but that's only because they aren't running as a plugin) [13:08] <photomatt_sf> then 1.2 we can focus on new folks, which to me the best strategy is WP integration [13:08] <tom_> and we need a 'lost username' feature in 1.1 [13:09] <hajii> I can count on one hand the number of people who want a /standalone/ forum, separate from wordpress [13:09] <andrewpowers> Are people who aren't using WordPress really using BBpress for their sites? [13:09] <Ryan_> @Michael_Rockett - If bbPress were a plugin, it could still be used purely for standalone forums, it would just happen to be powerwed by WordPress [13:09] <photomatt_sf> we can do much better integration without redoing all the data structure [13:09] <photomatt_sf> so I don't know if we should "couple" those tasks [13:09] <photomatt_sf> (btw we'll do a hard stop for the meetup at 2pm) [13:09] <Ryan_> I worked on a bbPress site recently which was not using WordPress at all. But that's not really a problem since they could just upgrade to a WP bbPress plugin when/if it became avaialble. [13:10] <justintadlock> @Ryan_ Agreed. The few folks that actually use it as standalone forums typically have things such as site pages too. [13:10] <andrewpowers> Could we think about a WP plugin that would inject some BBPress specific information into a WP header? [13:10] <benhuson> I mentioned in email the possibility to have a checkbox on WordPress install which could essentially auto-install the bbPress plugin - that would esssentially be a bbPress install. Possibility? [13:10] <andrewpowers> We've had to hack our WP themes to account for being integrated with BBpress [13:10] <hajii> I would vote for plugin, so you can leverage the themes that are already done. People don't want to make their own themes, they want to use WordPress themes that are already out there [13:11] <photomatt_sf> andrewpowers: yep [13:11] <Ryan_> There's a lot of stuff in WordPress which would automatically become available with no effort if the two were combined. [13:11] <photomatt_sf> that's more along the lines of my [bbpress] shortcode idea [13:11] <hajii> shortcodes for bbpress would be great [13:11] <photomatt_sf> [bbpress tag="akismet-plugin"] [13:11] <benhuson> @hajii - Yes, I think being able to benefit from existing wordpress theme would be a huge asset [13:11] <photomatt_sf> [bbpress forum="newbies"] [13:11] <andrewpowers> It would be a simple plugin to build [13:11] <jjj> Without going off topic too much, why did bbpress come about in the first place photomatt_sf? Since it is so similar to WP, what was the motivation? Why not just have it be part of WP in the first place? Easier to develop as a standalone maybe? [13:11] Nightgunner5 Agrees with photomatt_sf's bbpress idea [13:11] <Michael_Rockett> @Ryan_: Considering that there is plenty integration with most WP and bbPress users, you're right. Matt, what do you think the chances of a standalone forum existing as well as a WP merger? [13:11] <photomatt_sf> hajii: to clarify, I'm not saying shortcodes for bbPress, but a bbPress shortcode for WP [13:11] <justintadlock> I've got tons of users that want to use bbPress, but they want to be able to do all the same stuff as they do with WP (theme-wise). [13:12] <photomatt_sf> this assumes that you can drop bbP as a plugin in WP [13:12] <tom_> A unified user profile page is required, with forum history, etc. [13:12] <hajii> right, I knew and should have said that [13:12] <jjj> tom_, that's where BuddyPress probably comes in. [13:12] <Ryan_> @MichaelRockett - why would you want a standalone system? Once merged, WP would be the standalone system, you would just need a plugin to convert it. [13:12] <Nightgunner5> What if bbPress would work both ways - a standalone forum and a plugin? [13:12] <photomatt_sf> tom_: that's an interesting question -- do we need profiles to be a dependency? [13:12] <jjj> I think when people hear forum, they assume some kind of profile system exists. [13:13] <pmall> jjj: +! [13:13] <CIA-14> bbPress Plugins: Nightgunner5 * r2573 /bbpress-moderation-suite/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Release 0.1-rc1. It's been forever since I said I would. Props Ben (not me) - http://wp.me/pvLZ6-M#comment-83 [13:13] <justintadlock> Why not have a specific "user.php" template that handles profiles? [13:13] <Ryan_> It would be weird if you were just installing WordPress to use as a forum and you had to add a shortcode just to make a forum. [13:13] <photomatt_sf> me too, but I look at my profile usually purely for tracking things I've participated in [13:13] <Nightgunner5> We have profile.php [13:13] <photomatt_sf> if I got email notifications I probably wouldn't look at it at all [13:13] <photomatt_sf> all of the information in a profile could be a 100px square popup [13:14] <Ryan_> Ick, popups are awful! [13:14] <jjj> But other forum software use profiles as a way to quickly see their activity on the site, and some basic info about who they are. [13:14] <Michael_Rockett> @Ryan_: There are some, like me, who want to have a standalone community forum. [13:14] <Ryan_> It would need to work just like other forum softwares IMO. [13:14] <justintadlock> @Nightgunner5 - And WP uses author.php, so users have two different pages, essentially. [13:14] <hajii> @Ryan_ it would be weird, but right now bbPress meets the needs of like 1% of users instead of 99%. as a plugin I think it would meet more, at least based on feedback at bbpress.org [13:14] <jjj> Not just from MY perspective, but me looking at another user, their reputation, time registered, etc... [13:14] <photomatt_sf> Ryan_: really? I like how intensedebate and disqus do it [13:15] <Nightgunner5> justintadlock: WP author.php shows the posts from the blog, bb profile.php shows topics, posts, and general information [13:15] <hajii> I like @justintadlock's idea for using page templates [13:15] * DJPaul (n=DJPaul@host86-161-186-114.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bbpress [13:15] <Ryan_> Intense debate and Disquis are not very popular for a reason. Plus there needs to be a way for users to display it as per other forums. [13:16] <Ryan_> Suggestion: (1) Install WP; (2) Install bbPress plugin; (3) user choose either to turn entire WP install into a big fat forum OR uses a shortcode. [13:16] <photomatt_sf> Ryan_: they're more popular than bbPress right now [13:16] <hajii> @rynan, that's interesting [13:16] <hajii> would that #3 come after installing the plugin? [13:16] <jjj> ryan_, I can't think of an instance where I've ever needed either of those though. Not to say I couldn't make a reason. [13:16] <justintadlock> @Nightgunner5 - Only if you've written posts. Themes handle how this information is displayed for users without posts as well. [13:16] * aufumy (n=anonymou@d75-157-133-111.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #bbpress [13:17] <Ryan_> I think most themers will get grumpy if they can't style their profile pages how they like though. Although I guess you could fairly easily custom build everything into the theme and bypass the built in popup idea. [13:17] <Michael_Rockett> This is why we should leave options open. Word would need to get out that bbPress is available as a standablone product, whilst it can be downloaded as a plugin for WP. [13:17] <hajii> I disagree with standalone [13:17] <Michael_Rockett> Completely? [13:17] <hajii> completely disagree [13:17] <andrewpowers> Me too. [13:17] <andrewpowers> I agree with Chris [13:17] <hajii> I think it should be an awesome plugin [13:18] <hajii> what are the top 3 complaints from people coming to bbPress? [13:18] <hajii> not developers, users [13:18] <Ryan_> Wouldn't the standalone just be WordPress with a plugin auto-activated? That would be like downloading BuddyPress already packaged with WordPress. [13:18] <hajii> ahh, interesting [13:18] <photomatt_sf> hajii: there are two audiences, people we have now, and people who have never considered us [13:18] <Ryan_> @Haijj - lack of features. [13:18] <andrewpowers> Leverage WPs momentum. [13:18] <photomatt_sf> the reason I made bbPress and WP separate [13:18] <jjj> I don't think it's a good idea to force any one platform to require the others. [13:18] <Ryan_> However, lack of features is a feature in itself. And many of those features already come pre-packaged with WP. [13:19] <photomatt_sf> was at the time WP just powered part of your site [13:19] <hajii> @Ryan, that's a good one too. Nothing bundled, everything plugin, and plugin dev has stopped [13:19] <justintadlock> @hajii - Complaints from bbPress users: 1) No theme integration. 2) No email option for threads (though I point out the RSS feed). 3) Want to use WP functionality such as widgets. [13:19] <photomatt_sf> so you'd have different software on different parts [13:19] <tom_> realistically there's a lot of standalone forums out there, why try and take market share from them when the main selling feature is its WP integration? [13:19] <andrewpowers> There is no point in competing with the well-developed *stand-alone* forums [13:19] <jjj> photomatt_sf, I still like that idea the best. [13:19] <photomatt_sf> now people use WP for their entire domain, and want everything to plug in without hacking around [13:19] <hajii> @jjj - which? [13:19] <photomatt_sf> even something as simple as google analytics code, people use a plugin to put it in their theme [13:19] <hajii> you can have a blog and a site now, with WordPress [13:19] <photomatt_sf> because that means they can switch themes without having to re-code everything [13:20] <pmall> 1:20 [13:20] <photomatt_sf> thanks pmall [13:20] <photomatt_sf> to close I think everyone should check out [13:20] <hajii> I agree, main selling point is integration with WordPress [13:20] <Michael_Rockett> @tom_: You have a strong point. It's probably best to stick with the merger. [13:20] <photomatt_sf> our competition in the WP piece [13:20] <photomatt_sf> which is simple:press [13:21] <andrewpowers> Full agreement with Chris [13:21] <photomatt_sf> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tags/forum [13:21] <Ryan_> SimplePress is a good idea, unfortunately poorly executed <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:21] <photomatt_sf> huh, haven't seen this until just now: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/embed-bbpress/ [13:21] <hajii> @Ryah_ +1, execution [13:21] <andrewpowers> simplepress isn't great. [13:21] <justintadlock> SimplePress is really no competition if bbPress becomes a plugin. [13:21] <photomatt_sf> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wpforum/ [13:22] <photomatt_sf> justintadlock: agreed, but today the integration pieces you point out are more important to people [13:22] <photomatt_sf> I meet folks all the time that use one of the embedded plugins instead af bbPress for that reason alone [13:22] <justintadlock> Me too. [13:22] <pmall> that is why bbPress needs to be a plugin [13:22] <photomatt_sf> but let's move on [13:23] <photomatt_sf> I have a topic: bbpress.org [13:23] <hajii> function ebb_activate_shortcode() { add_shortcode( 'EmbedBBpress', 'ebb_embeding_the_object' ); } [13:23] <photomatt_sf> I know a redesign will sex it up and everyone wants that [13:23] <photomatt_sf> but what do you guys is most important *functionality-wise* to make it more effective [13:23] <justintadlock> bbPress.org - We need a Codex first. [13:23] <hajii> how about making it accurate? [13:23] <jjj> +1 codex [13:23] <Nightgunner5> Codex [13:23] <andrewpowers> Documentation [13:23] <pmall> agreed... the current look and feel is 'dated' -> scraems like a dead project [13:24] <Ryan_> If bbPress becomes a WP plugin, then perhaps the plugins should be stored in the WP plugin repo? [13:24] <tom_> there needs ot be very clear distinction about which plugins work in 0.9 and 1.0 [13:24] <hajii> I don't mind the look so much, but the information is inaccurate [13:24] <justintadlock> Second, updated design. [13:24] <Michael_Rockett> I think that the front page should be more interactive. +Themes browser. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:24] <photomatt_sf> justintadlock: when you say codex, is the important bit that we use mediawiki like WP or that we have lots of people editing it, or that ANYONE can edit it [13:24] <pmall> model it after wp.org? [13:24] * nicolagreco (n=nicolagr@151.54.95.92) has joined #bbpress [13:24] <photomatt_sf> (because we hate and struggle with mediawiki on wp.org) [13:24] <Nightgunner5> Ryan_: BuddyPress has its own repository [13:24] <Ryan_> @Nightgunner5 - Good point. [13:24] <Michael_Rockett> @pmall: I have already designed something like that - problem is that wp.org will change soon and bbPress should not look like something old. Matt pointed this out in our emails. [13:24] <jjj> More powerful search is a good functionality for bbPress to have also. [13:25] <Nightgunner5> photomatt_sf: I think the BuddyPress codex is a nice example of what it should be [13:25] <hajii> I think more information and accurate information is more important than sprucing up design [13:25] <andrewpowers> what is the best 'wiki' software out there? [13:25] <photomatt_sf> bbpress.org is just a WP site, so trusted people could be give access to edit pages [13:25] <justintadlock> I like how anyone can edit it as on WP, but I'm all for using a different system. There at least needs to be a way for some people to update the documentation. [13:25] <Ryan_> Perhaps use Instinct.co.nz's WP Wiki plugin instead? [13:25] <hajii> Michael888 - I liked your design but understand the part about wp.org going with a new design [13:25] <jjj> Custom post-types will spice up the ability to use WordPress as a Wiki also. [13:25] <justintadlock> I think documentation is the worst aspect of the entire project right now, so any ideas in that direction would be fine. [13:26] <jjj> With custom taxonomy clouds and categories to relate the data. [13:26] <hajii> +! @justintadlock [13:26] <Michael_Rockett> @hajii: Matt mentioned something about it in the emails. [13:26] <Nightgunner5> photomatt_sf: Why not have a WP blog integrated with the wp/bb/trac user system? [13:26] <hajii> +1 [13:26] <photomatt_sf> we don't need a wiki plugin though if there's just a few of us working on it and talking on bbdev or forums about it [13:26] <hajii> I don't think wiki is a good idea [13:26] <hajii> for bbpress.org [13:27] <Michael_Rockett> Niether do I - maybe when it's bigger and more popular. [13:27] <Ryan_> If the WP codex is not the preferred route to doing things. Then maybe bbPress.org could be used as the testing ground for a new system? [13:27] <andrewpowers> how do you stay on top of it without a wiki? [13:27] <photomatt_sf> perhaps a good way to couch it is -- who wants to be on the documentation team? [13:27] <jjj> codex.buddypress.org just uses another MU blog. [13:27] <tom_> i would do some documentation. [13:27] <Ryan_> If not a Wiki, then how do we improve documentation? Perhaps write a blog post requesting article submissions? [13:27] <pmall> photomatt_sf: I'll volunteer [13:28] <justintadlock> I'll be a part of the documentation team. [13:28] <nicolagreco> i think the bp.org site is a good solution for the bb site [13:28] <Nightgunner5> photomatt_sf: Me too [13:28] <Ryan_> @Nicola - BuddyPress.org or bbPress.org? [13:28] <photomatt_sf> that sounds like a good team: Tom39Away, pmall, justintadlock, and Nightgunner5 [13:28] <hajii> better than one person, I think [13:28] <Tom39Away> uh? [13:28] <Michael_Rockett> I can probably get involved with that - though not 'in-too-deep' [13:29] <photomatt_sf> Tom39Away: sorry meant tom_ [13:29] <nicolagreco> the buddypress site is a good example i meant [13:29] <hajii> he was PUSHED [13:29] <hajii> heh [13:29] <Michael_Rockett> 1:10 <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:29] <photomatt_sf> doc team: I can give you guys access to the site [13:29] <photomatt_sf> there are no access controls beyond built-in WP stuff yet [13:29] <photomatt_sf> so please don't put porn everywhere <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:29] <nicolagreco> ahah [13:29] <tom_> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:30] <Michael_Rockett> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:30] <hajii> @matt, I'd like access too, since I get a lot of requests along the line of "why don't you fix this" at bbpress.org [13:30] <Nightgunner5> Two of the top searches for my wp.com site are about 404s [13:30] <photomatt_sf> could you each let me know your bbpress.org usernames? [13:30] <Nightgunner5> bbpress pretty permalinks gives me a 404 error and 404 permalink errors bbpress [13:30] <Nightgunner5> Nightgunner5 [13:30] <jjj> Only put porn in *some* places is what he's saying. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:30] <nicolagreco> if you need help (as i've done for bp i'm here) and i can't have access to porn giving that i'm not of age yet.. [13:30] <justintadlock> bbPress username - greenshady [13:30] <photomatt_sf> hajii: this is just editor access, can't change templates or file stuff [13:30] <tom_> bbP: tomdebruin [13:30] <hajii> bbpress.org chrishajer if you'll have me [13:30] <hajii> @photomatt_sf, that's OK [13:31] <hajii> @photomatt_sf just accuracy stuff [13:31] <pmall> photomatt_sf: wp.org -> PeteMall [13:31] <benhuson> username husobj [13:31] * nicolagreco (n=nicolagr@151.54.95.92) Quit [13:31] <photomatt_sf> this is a bit of an experiment, we've never opened the site up to outside contribution before on the WP side [13:32] <Michael_Rockett> Michael888 - but I think I'd rather get into forum moderation at the moment. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:32] * nicolagreco (n=nicolagr@151.54.95.92) has joined #bbpress [13:32] <Ryan_> Without post revisions it would have been a bit dodgy back in the day. [13:32] <hajii> keep good backups <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:32] <photomatt_sf> that's a good place to transition to: hajii you're a current moderator, could you give a state of the forums and where you need help? [13:33] <justintadlock> @Ryan - Finally a use for those post revisions. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:33] * apeatling (n=apeatlin@83.111.219.33) has joined #bbpress [13:33] <Ryan_> Hello Andy <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:33] <nicolagreco> hello apeatling [13:33] <pmall> jjj: 4 more to go [13:33] <hajii> for moderating the bbPress.org forums, I'm not sure there's any trouble moderating, I am there daily, 3x or 4x /day [13:34] <hajii> but more moderators are always good [13:34] <jjj> pmall, almost there <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:34] <apeatling> hello [13:34] <hajii> it would be nice to be able to fix inaccuracies in existing WP pages [13:34] <photomatt_sf> pmall: what's your username? missed it earlier [13:34] <Michael_Rockett> jjj: really determined hey? <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:34] <hajii> I assume they're WP pages [13:34] <pmall> PeteMall wp.org [13:34] <photomatt_sf> hajii: how many other moderators are there? [13:35] <hajii> @photomatt - I don't know. _ck_ was one active one, but she's gone [13:35] <Ryan_> bbPress.org could do with a "report post" button in the forums (and so could WP.org). Private messaging and forum signatures wouldn't go amiss either. [13:35] <hajii> maybe just me actively now? [13:35] <hajii> trentadams was for a while [13:35] <jjj> ryan_, buddypress has pm's and could use profile data for signatures too. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:35] <hajii> @Ryan_ - if you tag the topic with modlook, I will take care of it [13:36] <hajii> that has sort of developed [13:36] <Michael_Rockett> I'm around the forums almost 5 to 10 times a day. [13:36] <Ryan_> Yeah, I know how to do that, but most people don't and I usually forget the tag anyway. [13:37] <hajii> @Ryan_ right now it's not a problem since the forums are low volume, will be a problem in the future. Not sure how they handle the volume at wp.org [13:37] <pmall> w/o jumping the gun... what else do we have on the agenda for today? [13:37] <photomatt_sf> I was very surprised when _ck_ left, I hadn't heard anything from her like an email or anything -- anyone know he story there? [13:37] <pmall> 20 mins to go... I wanna make sure we cover everything [13:37] <hajii> @photomatt_sf [opens can of worms] [13:37] <photomatt_sf> hajii: anyone else who's been active you'd like to nominate to be a moderator? [13:37] <andrewpowers> she didn't get enough donation? [13:37] <Ryan_> I think she just plain doesn't agree with the direction of the project. [13:37] <aufumy> she was soliciting donations from her showcase site, but hadn't received much, and was looking for a leader [13:37] <andrewpowers> Thats what here site said... [13:37] <andrewpowers> *her [13:38] <aufumy> leadership [13:38] <hajii> @photomatt_sf - I would have to look at the logins to be sure. There are a couple very helpful people there right now [13:38] <Michael_Rockett> @photomatt_sf: I think she just lost it - probably mixed feelings about the continuity of bbPress. [13:38] <tom_> she much preferred 0.9 to 1.0 for some reason. [13:38] <hajii> @tom_ performance [13:38] <hajii> !bloat [13:38] <photomatt_sf> true and bbPress has floated rudderless for a few months now [13:38] <Ryan_> I'm guessing it was a long term decision based on her wanting to take the project in an entirely different direction ... that's just a wild guess on my part though. I don't know her beyond her forum posts. [13:39] <photomatt_sf> well maybe we'll make it so awesome she jumps back in again <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I miss her [13:39] <hajii> I miss her plugins. [13:39] <jjj> haha [13:39] <jjj> But not her? [13:39] <Michael_Rockett> It would be great. I'm sure she might consider it when bbPress is alive and kicking again. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:39] <hajii> I hate telling people "there is this plugin, but it only worked up to 0.9" [13:39] <Ryan_> The thing is, most of the plugins will automatically become available if the system is switched to WP. [13:39] <DJPaul> @hajii lol [13:40] <photomatt_sf> that'd be a good next topic: plugins [13:40] <Ryan_> Since there are equivalent WP plugins. [13:40] <hajii> @Ryan_ right [13:40] <photomatt_sf> Ryan_ has a good point that a lot become not needed if we make the plugin good [13:40] <hajii> ok, next topic <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:41] <jjj> Those equivalent plugins need to be updated to be bbPress aware though... [13:41] <Ryan_> Should any existing plugin functionality be included in the core download? [13:41] <photomatt_sf> jjj: how so? like a FB connect plugin would just start working [13:41] <photomatt_sf> we get widgets for free, wouldn't need to redo that in bbPress [13:41] <Michael_Rockett> About plugins, I think that we should keep most features as plugins as people will want to be able to choose. Exceptions would be avatars,messaging,and subscribing - I guess. [13:41] <Nightgunner5> photomatt_sf: I don't want bbPress to turn into a CMS [13:41] <photomatt_sf> google analytics, typekit, and insert JS plugin would work too [13:42] <hajii> +1 Nightgunner5 [13:42] <jjj> True, but things like tinyMCE for post forms, etc... Unless they all use the existing WP code. [13:42] <photomatt_sf> Nightgunner5: that's why we're embedding in WP, it is [13:42] <Ryan_> Private messaging is a BuddyPress plugin already so would become automatically available after the WP merge. [13:42] <hajii> what bbPress plugin functionality would NOT be present in WordPress? [13:42] <Nightgunner5> Ryan_: bbPM, anyone? [13:42] <justintadlock> I'd personally like to see a poll on the bbPress site that gets some user feedback on the type of functionality they'd like to see. We could see what those things are and either incorporate it into bbPress or create new plugins. [13:42] <tom_> some great moderation functionality should be core. [13:43] <andrewpowers> support forum functionality [13:43] <Ryan_> @NightGunner5 - I assume your plugin would break on converting to WP though, and would unfortunately become redundant since there will already be the BuddyPress one. [13:43] <Michael_Rockett> +1 justinadlock <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:43] <justintadlock> @tom_ Maybe extend the current role/capability system through bbPress. [13:43] <jjj> What I'm saying is, just because there's a plugin out there to perform a specific task in WP, doesn't mean it will magically work exactly like it is today for bbPress. There's lots of plugins that don't work with BuddyPress, and needed updates or rewrites to focus on that specific functionality of BP. [13:43] <Nightgunner5> Ryan_: The BuddyPress one requires BuddyPress [13:43] <photomatt_sf> justintadlock: I can do that [13:44] <hajii> role mapping always seemed like a pain in the butt [13:44] <jjj> justintadlock photomatt_sf, buddypress extends the role.cap system for bp-forums already. [13:44] <hajii> now, will be gone [13:44] <justintadlock> @andrewpowers - Such as "resolved", "not resolved," and so on? Custom taxonomy, maybe? [13:44] <jjj> It adds the bbpress roles/caps to the WP ones. [13:44] <Michael_Rockett> Yeah - A poll would be great, but with functionality for people to bring in ideas? [13:44] <photomatt_sf> jjj: nice [13:44] <hajii> http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/ [13:44] <andrewpowers> Yes, you've faced the same problem <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:44] <photomatt_sf> I'll put a survey like we do on WP.org [13:45] <hajii> @photomatt_sf, like the ones Jane does? [13:45] <hajii> Wells [13:45] <photomatt_sf> hajii: yep [13:45] <photomatt_sf> what if someday bbPress was a canonical plugin for WP? <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:45] <Michael_Rockett> good idea. There's also UserVoice. Quite handy, I must say. [13:45] <hajii> I like bbPress becoming a WordPress plugin [13:45] <nicolagreco> that's cool photomatt_sf [13:46] <hajii> canonical is an interesting idea [13:46] <hajii> for wp plugins [13:46] <justintadlock> @andrewpowers - Support forum functionality could also be handled by custom fields. [13:46] <nicolagreco> i think that MU should be a plugin too [13:46] <photomatt_sf> jjj: are there any lessons from the BuddyPress side of things we should think about? [13:46] <Ryan_> @Nicola - no, it is merging instead. [13:46] <pmall> photomatt_sf: when we started this... I thought canonical plugins [13:46] <hajii> isn't it already merged? WPMU && WP [13:46] <nicolagreco> you mean buil-tin Ryan_ ? [13:47] <photomatt_sf> hajii: not yet [13:47] <jjj> photomatt_sf, from my experience users want this to be seamlessly super insane easy, and if it isn't they'll be turned away... [13:47] <Ryan_> Yes, it's going to be built in for 3.0 probably. [13:47] <hajii> +1 jjj [13:47] <hajii> some people are persistent though, and bbPress makes their head explode after about 48 hours of attempting integration [13:48] <photomatt_sf> hajii: yes, fewer heads exploding is good <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:48] <jjj> photomatt_sf, some of the dev hurdles BP went through before 1.1 with themes and moving files and stuff, it turned a lot of people off at first for being too hard, unlike WP which is easy. [13:48] <photomatt_sf> it's like the unofficial WP slogan: we suck less with every release [13:48] <Ryan_> Deep integration would become automatic on WP merger which would make everything super easy. [13:48] <Michael_Rockett> Haha! I never knew that one - brilliant! <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:48] <hajii> that is a big one; people have come to expect WordPress like functionality/experience from all things Automattic. bbPress fails in that regard [13:49] <pmall> photomatt_sf: I'm tweeting that! [13:49] <benhuson> Yep, I like WordPress core + bbPress / BuddyPress / MU - Easy for users and shared functionality [13:49] <nicolagreco> pmall: i'll retweet sure [13:49] <Nightgunner5> I think bbPress's main problem was being dropped for half a year [13:49] <Nightgunner5> And that's why it's not up to WP standards [13:49] <photomatt_sf> hajii: yes and to clarify just like wordpress.org bbpress is not owned or operated by Automattic, it's separate [13:50] <hajii> I personally have no need for WPMU or BuddyPress, but having them built in isn't going to turn me off [13:50] <Michael_Rockett> I'd actually love to know the reasons why bbPress halted for so long. [13:50] <jjj> photomatt_sf, I know for myself, that having Andy as an active part of the community was awesome also... [13:50] <photomatt_sf> just because I saw a lot of people conflating them in the forums [13:50] <hajii> @photomatt_sf, I have no idea what that means [13:51] <Ryan_> jajjj = he means people confuse bbPress.org as being owned by Automattic which it is not. The question is ... who does own bbPress.org? [13:51] <hajii> other than morbid curiousity, I have no need to know what happened in the past with bbPress. Looking forward now. [13:51] <photomatt_sf> Michael_Rockett: it didn't actually halt until a few months ago, it's always had at least one full-time developer from the time I worked on it [13:51] <Michael_Rockett> I thought Automattic did - or is it just a contribution project from Automattic's side? [13:51] <jjj> hajii, some people can't get past politics. [13:52] <hajii> it's not owned by automattic? interesting [13:52] <hajii> bbpress.org owned by Matt? [13:52] <hajii> I don't really care [13:52] <photomatt_sf> I own bbPress.org just like WordPress.org -- separate from Automattic -- and the plan is to run it in the same fashion. We'll register the bbPress trademark under the pending foundation [13:52] <junsuijin> having a start from buddypress 1.1-pre i think another lesson to learn is that changing the way something works is going to confuse many of the early adopters [13:52] <hajii> AH - got it [13:52] <junsuijin> ie the theme change [13:52] <Michael_Rockett> photomatt_sf: well, it's been going pretty slowly - I'd love to know the reasons behind it. But I think I can guess a few. [13:52] <hajii> changing from .9 to 1.0 is what chased _ck_ away, partly [13:52] <junsuijin> for the better, but lots of whiners and futile resistors [13:53] <Ryan_> Well moving from bbPress 1.0.x to WordPress will be huge. All plugins and themes will break. [13:53] <photomatt_sf> Michael_Rockett: I think we were pursuing something harder than it needed to be, building backpress instead of just embedding in WP [13:53] <jjj> junsuijin has a good point. photomatt_sf, are there stats from active bbPress installations to tell us how many are standalone versus integrated? Probably not eh? [13:53] <photomatt_sf> jjj: there's no update system, so no stats [13:53] <hajii> will there even *be* bbpress themes any more? [13:53] <Michael_Rockett> photomatt_sf: I see - that makes a heap load of sense. [13:53] <hajii> they could be page templates [13:54] <photomatt_sf> hajii: good point [13:54] <photomatt_sf> to jjj's idea of making things as simple as possible [13:54] <Nightgunner5> I've got download stats from the past few days: http://nightgunner5.is-a-geek.net:1337/bbpress/downloads/ [13:54] <Ryan_> Yeah, there would be no need for bbPress themes, just forum specific template files or conditionals in themes. [13:54] <photomatt_sf> a lot of things that are currently templates, namely registration, could be a lightbox-style popup [13:54] <photomatt_sf> for ultra-simple theme integration, error handling, etc [13:54] <junsuijin> it'd actually be a good idea to consult with apeatling on what works well for making such an encompassing plugin out of bbpress i think [13:54] <justintadlock> I'd rather see some stuff broken now with few bbPress users rather than later when there are more. [13:54] <hajii> that would make life so much easier for bbPress theming [13:54] <Ryan_> Ack, NO POPUPS please! [13:54] <jjj> hajii, they could also work like BuddyPress pages do, and be "virtual" pages. [13:54] <Ryan_> People don't use those for good reason. [13:54] <photomatt_sf> Ryan_: it's gonna happen <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:55] <Ryan_> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:55] <hajii> gack! [13:55] <photomatt_sf> lightbox is everywhere, it's a really nice interaction -- like adding a friend or sending a message from a profile page on facebook, it's a little box [13:55] <Ryan_> There must be a way to avoid popups or lightboxes. [13:55] <hajii> 5 minutes [13:55] <photomatt_sf> faster than a new pageload [13:55] <tom_> i love lightboxes [13:55] <photomatt_sf> and doesn't need a brand new template [13:55] <photomatt_sf> also a lot of those things don't entirely warrant their own page [13:55] <benhuson> Lightbox popups OK - Window popups bad <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:55] <justintadlock> A Lightbox-style popup sounds more like a plugin thing to me. But, I'm personally becoming a fan of Colorbox. [13:55] <Nightgunner5> photomatt_sf: It would need to load a new page in the popup [13:55] <jjj> junsuijin is right again. Frankly apeatling has already made bbPress a plugin, it's just part of BuddyPress that includes all of the extra social things that forums have; profiles, pms, friends, etc... [13:55] <photomatt_sf> there's no SEO reasons to have registration forms be its own standalone thing [13:55] <Ryan_> It doesn't matter if people like them, but it massively reduces the extensibility of the platform if you can't theme as you like. [13:55] <aufumy> +1 lightbox [13:56] <Ryan_> Otherwise you run into the same problems SimplePress has. [13:56] * GIGALinux2 (n=GIGALinu@82.113.121.222) has joined #bbpress [13:56] <Michael_Rockett> +2 lightbox - it's quick. it's simple. it's elegant. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:56] <photomatt_sf> Ryan_: it's just an iframe, everything to make that page could be embedded [13:56] <hajii> it's cliche [13:56] <jjj> One could essentially install BuddyPress and only turn the BP-Forums component on, and now you have bbPress's code embedded into WordPress. [13:56] <Nightgunner5> Michael_Rockett: "Simple, fast, elegant" [13:56] * GIGALinux (n=GIGALinu@82.113.106.218) Quit (Nick collision from services.) [13:56] * GIGALinux2 is now known as GIGALinux [13:56] <Ryan_> Oh dear, this is sounding truly horrid <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:56] <hajii> but it's quick and uniquitus [13:56] <apeatling> If the integration code is extracted from BuddyPress and moved into bbPress then we could get it integrating with one click tomorrow. [13:56] <apeatling> it's not a lot of code [13:57] <Ryan_> I hope you aren't suggesting using an iframe for an entire embedded forum right? [13:57] <junsuijin> +! apeatling <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:57] <apeatling> and it works [13:57] <apeatling> <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:57] <photomatt_sf> let's revisit the lightbox topic later, sounds like we need to talk about it more [13:57] <photomatt_sf> we're running out of time on the official meetup, let's summarize the todos everyone is taking away [13:57] <Michael_Rockett> nightgunner5: That too <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> [13:57] <Ryan_> I can guarantee you any serious HTML/CSS people will throw a hissy fit over that. [13:57] <photomatt_sf> I'm going to add a few folks access for bbPress.org WP install [13:57] <photomatt_sf> and put up a survey on the blog [13:57] <photomatt_sf> for 1.1 features [13:58] <hajii> @photomatt_sf, I will send you a list of people who have been helpful at bbpress.org and should be considered as moderators [13:58] <photomatt_sf> hajii: perfect, thank you [13:58] * @ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) Quit (shutting down) [13:59] <pmall> http://j.mp/5JydpG [13:59] <photomatt_sf> wow we lost chanserv? [13:59] * ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #bbpress [13:59] * irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ [13:59] <Nightgunner5> ChanServ: +1 timing [13:59] <jjj> haha [13:59] <Michael_Rockett> pmall: nice <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:00] <hajii> +1 @pmall [14:00] <hajii> adios? [14:00] <photomatt_sf> alrighty lets wrap up then <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:00] <tom_> thanks everyone. IRC moves fast! Really looking forward to the outcomes of this. [14:00] <photomatt_sf> thank you everyone for coming out [14:00] <Ryan_> Thanks for organising it <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:01] <Michael_Rockett> pleasure <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:01] <justintadlock> Great discussion, everyone. I enjoyed my first IRC chat. [14:01] <andrewpowers> thanks ... looking forward to working with you kids <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:01] <Nightgunner5> It was nice to have more than 3 people talking within an hour in #bbpress [14:01] <Michael_Rockett> Ryan_: Agreed - thanks matt. Finally, some action can happen. <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:01] <nicolagreco> 'kid' is for me ? <img src='http://bbpress.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> [14:01] <andrewpowers> @justintadlock - haha me too [14:01] <benhuson> yes, thank Matt - looking forward to bbPress development [14:01] <jjj> <gavel> [14:02] <hajii> second that motion [14:02] <Ryan_> This puts me an interesting situation now, as I'm in charge of the SitePoint bbPress theme project. [14:02] <justintadlock> Are we going to have a regular IRC meetup for bbPress? [14:02] <photomatt_sf> I'll post the logs to the bbPress blog [14:02] <Ryan_> But I'm not seeing much point in plowing ahead with it now if the bbPress system is giong to change so massively. [14:02] <photomatt_sf> </meetup></code> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-09-meetup/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>24</slash:comments> </item> </channel> </rss>