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id="c-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z-Kievan_Rus'_and_Kingdom_of_Galicia–Volhynia"></span>Kievan Rus'</a> and <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia" title="Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia">Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Ostap_R" title="User:Ostap R">Ostap</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z-Kievan_Rus'_and_Kingdom_of_Galicia–Volhynia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z-Kievan_Rus'_and_Kingdom_of_Galicia–Volhynia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z","author":"Ostap 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<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Glebchik&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Glebchik (page does not exist)">Glebchik</a> undid it right away without giving reasons; I made some adjustments to the IP's work to make the template in line with <a href="/wiki/Template:Capitals_of_Russia" title="Template:Capitals of Russia">Template:Capitals of Russia</a>. Cause making Kievan Rus' a predecessor to current Russia and not to current Ukraine looks idiotic to me since the people in it where neither. — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Mariah-Yulia" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mariah-Yulia"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Mariah-Yulia</span></a></b> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mariah-Yulia" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mariah-Yulia"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-01-22T23:40:00.000Z-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-01-22T23:40:00.000Z-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-22T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Mariah-Yulia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-01-22T23:40:00.000Z-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-01-22T23:40:00.000Z-Ostap_R-2009-10-22T17:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Renaming-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Renaming&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Renaming&quot;}--><h2 id="Renaming" data-mw-thread-id="h-Renaming-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Renaming-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z"></span>Renaming<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Renaming-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Renaming"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Renaming-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-TarzanASG-2010-02-09T13:07:00.000Z-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z","timestamp":"2010-02-09T13:07:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Renaming-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Renaming&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Renaming&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0" class="extiw" title="ru:Украинская Советская Социалистическая Республика"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming"></span>Украинская Советская Социалистическая Республика</a>: "17 сентября 1991 года были внесены поправки в конституцию о переименовании Украинской ССР в Украину (Закон Украины N 1554-XII. О внесение изменений и дополнений в Конституцию (Основной Закон) Украинской ССР.)" </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ukraine-zakoni.com/28/02863.html">Про внесення змін і доповнень до Конституції (Основного Закону) Української РСР</a>: </p> <blockquote><p>16. У назві і тексті Конституції слова "Українська Радянська Соціалістична Республіка" та "Українська РСР" замінити словом "Україна". </p><p><br/> </p><p> Голова Верховної Ради України Л.КРАВЧУК м. Київ, 17 вересня 1991 року N 1554-XII</p></blockquote> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:TarzanASG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TarzanASG">TarzanASG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarzanASG" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TarzanASG">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z","author":"TarzanASG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming","replies":["c-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z-Renaming"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z"></span>И что вы предлагаете, я не понял? Здесь есть статья и про УССР, и про Украину, а в шаблоне вроде закономерно упоминаются оба понятия./And what do you suggest, I didn't understand? Here we have articles on the Ukrainian SSR and Ukraine, and both terms seem to be reasonably mentioned in the template.--<a href="/wiki/User:Microcell" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Microcell">Microcell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Microcell" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Microcell">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z-TarzanASG-2010-01-26T14:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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title="User:TarzanASG">TarzanASG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarzanASG" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TarzanASG">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-TarzanASG-2010-02-09T13:07:00.000Z-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarzanASG-2010-02-09T13:07:00.000Z-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-09T13:07:00.000Z","author":"TarzanASG","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TarzanASG-2010-02-09T13:07:00.000Z-Microcell-2010-02-03T18:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Ivan2007-2010-01-31T08:21:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Crimea-2010-01-31T08:21:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Ivan2007-2010-01-31T08:21:00.000Z-Crimea&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Crimea&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Crimea&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivan2007-2010-01-31T08:21:00.000Z-Crimea"></span>Should we include Crimean Khanate here, I think it would make sence.<a href="/wiki/User:Ivan2007" title="User:Ivan2007">Ivan2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivan2007" title="User talk:Ivan2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Ivan2007-2010-01-31T08:21:00.000Z-Crimea" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Current_Template-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z-Current_Template&quot;,&quot;c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z-Current_Template&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Current Template&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Current Template&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z-Current_Template"></span>I'm happy with how the template turned out <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Waving.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Waving.png" decoding="async" width="410" height="320" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="410" data-file-height="320"/></a></span>! — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Mariah-Yulia" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mariah-Yulia"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Mariah-Yulia</span></a></b> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mariah-Yulia" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mariah-Yulia"><span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z-Current_Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z-Current_Template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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It does not mentioned <a href="/wiki/Rivne" title="Rivne">Rivne</a>, <a href="/wiki/Odessa" class="mw-redirect" title="Odessa">Odessa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kamyanets-Podilsky" class="mw-redirect" title="Kamyanets-Podilsky">Kamyanets-Podilsky</a>, and many other cities that served as a capital. <a href="/wiki/Hlukhiv" title="Hlukhiv">Hlukhiv</a> was never the real capital, for example. It was chosen by Skoropadsky when practically the Cossack's sovereignty was lost after the <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Poltava" title="Battle of Poltava">Poltava's tragedy</a>, and, mainly, because there was a big Moscow's garrison. Therefore, since 1708 Hetmanate as a political entity did not exist, Hlukhiv is a joke of a capital. On its territory was formed the <a href="/wiki/Kiev_Governorate" title="Kiev Governorate">Kiev Governorate</a>. Also <a href="/wiki/Zaporizhian_Host" class="mw-redirect" title="Zaporizhian Host">Zaporizhian Host</a> for whatever reasons is not included. Just because it was totally annihilated by the Russian and Soviet governments, it does not mean that it never existed. Zaporizhia was an autonomous entity even during the Cossack Hetmanate and later a buffer state that was finally sacked together with the <a href="/wiki/Crimean_Khanate" title="Crimean Khanate">Crimean Khanate</a>. I do not think it is important to include all the capitals, but rather to identify the biggest cultural centers such as Lviv, Kiev, Odessa, Baturyn, Nikopol region, Bakhmut region. All these Stanyslavivs, Chyhyryns, and Luhansks are definately out of place. <a href="/wiki/User:Aleksandr_Grigoryev" title="User:Aleksandr Grigoryev">Aleksandr Grigoryev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aleksandr_Grigoryev" title="User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2010-12-06T15:25:00.000Z-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2010-12-06T15:25:00.000Z-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-06T15:25:00.000Z","author":"Aleksandr Grigoryev","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2010-12-06T15:25:00.000Z-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2010-12-06T15:25:00.000Z-Mariah-Yulia-2010-03-18T14:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Mariah-Yulia" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mariah-Yulia"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z-Current_Template"></span>Mariah-Yulia</a> could you, please, comment on my proposition from four years ago? I think we need to rename the template to "Historical centers of the Ukrainian statehood". We also need to reconsider few of the political entities such Donetsk-Krivoi Rog republic as it was not recognized by anyone. Or we should include the Odessa Republic and Makhnovite Movement (maybe). What about the Cold Ravine Republic (Kholodnoyarska Respublika)? There also was the Soviet Halychyna which was centered in Ternopil. What about all the siches (<a href="/wiki/Zaporizhian_Sich" class="mw-redirect" title="Zaporizhian Sich">Zaporizhian Sich</a>) that existed throughout Zaporizhian history? Do we need to include the temporary capitals or cities that housed the Ukrainian governments in exile <a href="/wiki/Saratov" title="Saratov">Saratov</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kursk" title="Kursk">Kursk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Munich" title="Munich">Munich</a> and others? <a href="/wiki/User:Aleksandr_Grigoryev" title="User:Aleksandr Grigoryev">Aleksandr Grigoryev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aleksandr_Grigoryev" title="User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Capitals_of_Ukraine#c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z-Current_Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:13, 1 March 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z-Current_Template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z","author":"Aleksandr Grigoryev","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z-Current_Template","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleksandr_Grigoryev-2014-03-01T05:13:00.000Z-Current_Template"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐84d8f4b96‐bkpbp Cached time: 20241116035517 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.011 seconds CPU time usage: 0.035 seconds Real time usage: 0.060 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 50/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 128/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 24/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 4/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 0/5000000 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 7.051 1 -total 64.80% 4.569 1 Template:U 33.30% 2.348 1 Template:Done --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:24786041-0!canonical and timestamp 20241116035517 and revision id 597625543. 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