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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a class="mw-selflink selflink">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Caves</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Caves</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Caves</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Caves articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">International Year of Caves and Karst</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Articles for delection - Vecors Cave System</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Cueva de las Manos Request for Collaboration</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#missing_assessments"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">missing assessments</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">DYK? ALERT - Main Page appearance in DYK? - Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">User script to detect unreliable sources</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Split proposed for Cave diving</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Project-independent_quality_assessments"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Project-independent quality assessments</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Sourcing_Assistance"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Sourcing Assistance</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst" data-mw-thread-id="h-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z"></span>International Year of Caves and Karst<span data-mw-comment-end="h-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: International Year of Caves and Karst" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-12' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Geopersona-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geopersona-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst"></span>I see that we have now entered <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://iyck2021.org/">International Year of Caves and Karst</a> - is there any push on any group's part on Wikipedia to play a part by improving coverage of these topics during 2021? cheers <a href="/wiki/User:Geopersona" title="User:Geopersona">Geopersona</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geopersona" title="User talk:Geopersona">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Geopersona-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geopersona-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geopersona-2021-01-18T11:44:00.000Z-International_Year_of_Caves_and_Karst"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System" data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z"></span>Articles for delection - Vecors Cave System<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Articles for delection - Vecors Cave System" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-13' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Langcliffe-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Langcliffe-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System"></span>I have recommended that the article <a href="/wiki/Vercors_Cave_System" class="mw-redirect" title="Vercors Cave System">Vercors Cave System</a> be deleted. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vercors_Cave_System" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vercors Cave System">here</a> for the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Langcliffe" title="User:Langcliffe">Langcliffe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Langcliffe" title="User talk:Langcliffe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Langcliffe-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Langcliffe-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Langcliffe-2021-01-25T17:23:00.000Z-Articles_for_delection_-_Vecors_Cave_System"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z"></span>Cueva de las Manos Request for Collaboration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Cueva de las Manos Request for Collaboration" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-14' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tyrone_Madera-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tyrone_Madera-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration"></span>Hi! I'm working on an article on <a href="/wiki/Cueva_de_las_Manos" title="Cueva de las Manos">Cueva de las Manos</a> and I would love to collaborate in getting the article to GA class! If you have the time, please feel free to stop by and help with the article. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Tyrone_Madera" title="User:Tyrone Madera">Tyrone Madera</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tyrone_Madera" title="User talk:Tyrone Madera">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Tyrone_Madera-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tyrone_Madera-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tyrone_Madera-2021-04-17T21:09:00.000Z-Cueva_de_las_Manos_Request_for_Collaboration"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="missing_assessments" data-mw-thread-id="h-missing_assessments-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-missing_assessments-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z"></span>missing assessments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-missing_assessments-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: missing assessments" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-15' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pbsouthwood-20220911053300-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z-missing_assessments"></span>Could someone PLEASE assess my 2017 articles <a href="/wiki/Wimsener_H%C3%B6hle" title="Wimsener Höhle">Wimsener Höhle</a>, <a href="/wiki/Spanish_Society_of_Speleology_and_Karst_Science" title="Spanish Society of Speleology and Karst Science">Spanish Society of Speleology and Karst Science</a> as obviously I cant do it myself ? Thank you !--<a href="/wiki/User:Wuerzele" title="User:Wuerzele">Wuerzele</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wuerzele" title="User talk:Wuerzele">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z-missing_assessments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z-missing_assessments"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z-missing_assessments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Wuerzele" title="User:Wuerzele"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbsouthwood-20220911053300-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z"></span>Wuerzele</a>, you can actually assess your own articles up to and including B-class, as can any other user in good standing. Cheers, · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Pbsouthwood-20220911053300-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbsouthwood-20220911053300-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbsouthwood-20220911053300-Wuerzele-2022-02-14T22:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z"><span id="DYK.3F_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK.3F_-_Stephen_Bishop_.28cave_explorer.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z"></span>DYK? ALERT - Main Page appearance in DYK? - <a href="/wiki/Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)" title="Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)">Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: DYK? ALERT - Main Page appearance in DYK? - Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-16' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Shearonink-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shearonink-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)"></span>FYI to all Cave project participants - <a href="/wiki/Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)" title="Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)">Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)</a> is appearing in the Main Page's DYK? section TODAY <b><u>until</u></b> </p> <ul><li>15 April 0:00 (UTC), 14 April 20:00(New York/Eastern), 14 April 17:00 (Los Angeles/Pacific), 15 April 1:00 (London/BST), 15 April 9:00 (Tokyo/JST), 15 April 10:00 (Sydney/AEST).</li></ul> <p>Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Shearonink" title="User:Shearonink">Shearonink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shearonink" title="User talk:Shearonink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Shearonink-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shearonink-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shearonink-2022-04-14T16:51:00.000Z-DYK?_ALERT_-_Main_Page_appearance_in_DYK?_-_Stephen_Bishop_(cave_explorer)"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span>User script to detect unreliable sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: User script to detect unreliable sources" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-17' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236090951">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">Main page: <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb/unreliable" title="User:Headbomb/unreliable">User:Headbomb/unreliable</a></div> <p>I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:URS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:URS">unreliable sources</a> and <a href="/wiki/Predatory_journal" class="mw-redirect" title="Predatory journal">predatory journals</a>. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_scripts/Most_imported_scripts" title="Wikipedia:User scripts/Most imported scripts">39th most imported script on Wikipedia</a>. The idea is that it takes something like </p> <ul><li>John Smith "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.deprecated.com/article">Article of things</a>" <i>Deprecated.com</i>. Accessed 2020-02-14. (<code>John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.</code>)</li></ul> <p>and turns it into something like </p> <ul><li>John Smith "<span style="color:black;background:pink"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.deprecated.com/article">Article of things</a></span>" <i>Deprecated.com</i>. Accessed 2020-02-14.</li></ul> <p>It will work on a variety of links, including those from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Doi" title="Template:Doi">doi</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. </p><p>The script is mostly based on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSPSOURCES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSPSOURCES">WP:RSPSOURCES</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPPSG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPPSG">WP:NPPSG</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITEWATCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITEWATCH">WP:CITEWATCH</a> and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed. </p><p>Do note that this is <b>not a script to be mindlessly used</b>, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb/unreliable" title="User:Headbomb/unreliable">User:Headbomb/unreliable</a>. Questions, comments and requests can be made at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb/unreliable" title="User talk:Headbomb/unreliable">User talk:Headbomb/unreliable</a>. </p><p>- <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:90%">This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from.</span> Delivered by: <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving" data-mw-thread-id="h-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving-20220911052400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving-20220911052400"></span>Split proposed for Cave diving<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving-20220911052400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Split proposed for Cave diving" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-18' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pbsouthwood-20220911052400-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbsouthwood-20220911052400-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving"></span>The article is large. I have proposed splitting out the content on <a href="/wiki/Cave_diving_regions" class="mw-redirect" title="Cave diving regions">Cave diving regions</a>. Discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Cave_diving#Due_for_a_split_some_time" title="Talk:Cave diving">Talk:Cave diving#Due for a split some time</a>. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter Southwood</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Pbsouthwood-20220911052400-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbsouthwood-20220911052400-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbsouthwood-20220911052400-Split_proposed_for_Cave_diving"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Project-independent_quality_assessments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Project-independent_quality_assessments-20230410131600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Project-independent_quality_assessments-20230410131600"></span>Project-independent quality assessments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Project-independent_quality_assessments-20230410131600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Project-independent quality assessments" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-19' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Aymatth2-20230410131600-Project-independent_quality_assessments">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aymatth2-20230410131600-Project-independent_quality_assessments"></span>Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_assessment" title="Wikipedia:Content assessment">Wikipedia:Content assessment</a>, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_198#Project-independent_quality_assessments" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 198">Village pump proposal</a> was approved and has been implemented to add a <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|class=</code> parameter to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_banner_shell" title="Template:WikiProject banner shell">WikiProject banner shell</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment. </p><p>No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_banner_shell" title="Template:WikiProject banner shell">WikiProject banner shell</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories. </p><p>However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WPBannerMeta" title="Template:WPBannerMeta">WPBannerMeta</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> a new <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom</code> parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. <a href="/wiki/User:Aymatth2" title="User:Aymatth2">Aymatth2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aymatth2" title="User talk:Aymatth2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Aymatth2-20230410131600-Project-independent_quality_assessments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aymatth2-20230410131600-Project-independent_quality_assessments"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aymatth2-20230410131600-Project-independent_quality_assessments"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Sourcing_Assistance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sourcing_Assistance-20240405183700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sourcing_Assistance-20240405183700"></span>Sourcing Assistance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sourcing_Assistance-20240405183700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Sourcing Assistance" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-20' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kingsmasher678-20241121195400-Nfutvol-20240405183700">8 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nfutvol-20240405183700-Sourcing_Assistance"></span>Good afternoon! My work on the page <a href="/wiki/Perry_County,_Tennessee" title="Perry County, Tennessee">Perry County, Tennessee</a> led me down the path of doing more to expand articles on the geography and protected places of the county, including <a href="/wiki/Alexander_Cave_(cavern)" title="Alexander Cave (cavern)">Alexander Cave</a>. There's just enough information available to establish notability, but not enough to truly expand the article beyond stub status right now. One source that I've found that might have information on the cave is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/di0QAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOxNjD2quFAxU_hIkEHWbdBxEQ8fIDegQICBAJ">Caves of Tennessee, by Thomas Barr Jr.</a>. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to find a copy of this available online or in any local libraries. Bit of a long shot, but does anyone here have access to a copy of this publication? If so, would you be willing to help expand information on the article, or make scans of any relevant entries in the book? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Nfutvol" title="User:Nfutvol">nf utvol</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nfutvol" title="User talk:Nfutvol">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Nfutvol-20240405183700-Sourcing_Assistance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nfutvol-20240405183700-Sourcing_Assistance"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nfutvol-20240405183700-Sourcing_Assistance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kingsmasher678-20241121195400-Nfutvol-20240405183700"></span>Yes, I can get access. What do you need from that book?</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kingsmasher678" title="User:Kingsmasher678"><span style="color:green;"><b>Kingsmasher678</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kingsmasher678" title="User talk:Kingsmasher678"><span style="color:black;"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Caves#c-Kingsmasher678-20241121195400-Nfutvol-20240405183700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kingsmasher678-20241121195400-Nfutvol-20240405183700"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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