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Multiple values should be possible, such as {{P|106}}, {{P|921}} and {{P|180}} for {{Q|40348}}, or {{P|607}}, {{P|547}} and {{P|2348}} for {{Q|362}} This makes it somewhat similar to {{P|1963}}, though the latter property should be limited to listing properties that are ''expected'' to be found on items that are {{P|31}} the subject, while ''applies to use with property'' would be more geared towards listing ''plausible'' or reasonably ''common'' properties. I'm not suggesting changing the property scope constraint until others have weighed in on the issue though. Thoughts on this? --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC) :I have to correct myself; {{P|1963}} is ''not'' as similar as I suggest above, but {{P|11527}} rather relates to the properties it lists like {{P|1963}} relates to {{P|31}} or {{P|106}} ''specifically'', and with an entirely different purpose. --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC) ::"though the latter property should be limited to listing properties that are expected" if there are other limits that are not already obvious, reusing this property for that purpose is problematic because it's not clear where the users would learn about those limits. Intuitively, it feels to me like a bad idea to reuse this property for that purpose. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 15:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:ChristianKl|ChristianKl]]: The limitation you quoted is what already applies to {{P|1963}} and not something I intended for {{P|11527}}; I mentioned it for contrast only. :::Now, I get your point about not risking confusion or diverging interpretations of the same property due to different scopes, so I retract that idea. What I'm actually looking for is a way to provide additional guidance to the user about how to use {{P|5869}} in particular contexts beyond what a few Wikidata usage statements on the property itself can tell. :::However, {{P|1855}} should not be used on regular Wikibase items, only on properties (according to its constraints), and I'm not inclined to propose yet another property for this experimental purpose, which includes determining the adherence of an item to a set of model items in an automated or semi-automated fashion (and automation is the main reason I'm not satisfied with natural-language guidance given in the {{P|2559}} property). Maybe I can infer the information I want from the {{Q|21510865}} of any properties identified. --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC) </textarea><div class="templatesUsed"></div><p id="mw-returnto">Return to <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P11527" title="Property talk:P11527">Property talk:P11527</a>.</p> <noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P11527">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P11527</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </div> <div id="mw-navigation"> <h2>Navigation menu</h2> <div id="mw-head"> <nav id="p-personal" class="mw-portlet mw-portlet-personal 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