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For those who plan on pursuing a military career, this book exhibits the very ideals upon which our current military standards are based. Camaraderie, Sacrifice, and Responsibility are more than mere words to the protagonist. The distinction between a fighting man and a soldier is made. The distinction between a superior rank and a true officer is made. Johnny Rico is a soldier in more than merely name, and the reader discovers this through this narrative.<br /><br />For those of you who have seen the film incarnation of this story, simply forget it. It won't aid you in understanding or predicting the outcome of this book. The tempo, messages, and level of seriousness are completely different. Most of you know the pitfalls of watching the movie first, so I implore you to read this book before seeing the movie. If you have already seen the movie, as I stated before, forget it.<br /><br />There is one thing I would mention that is perhaps the fault of this book. Heinlein shapes a militaristic, possibly even oppressive society, out of the remaining nations on earth. He touts the virtues of citizenry only being earned through dedicated service. At the same time, he manages to skirt by some of the more practical and realistic attitudes of people. The society could very well work if it was implemented exactly in the fashion it is described in his novel, but the transition from our current societal structure to this system of government is EXTREMELY unlikely. It takes the edge off of the bold concepts, making this book only a 4 star.<br /><br />To end on a positive note I'll say this. When I finally finished this novel I had a brief spark inside of me. For once in my entire career, I felt a sense of pride in being a soldier. No military training, no officer, and certainly no civilian has ever made me feel as proud of my profession as that novel has. </div> <div id="review-like"> <span class='likeItContainer' id='like_container_review_20497733'><a id="like_count_review_20497733" rel="nofollow" href="/rating/voters/20497733?resource_type=Review"><span class="likesCount">498 likes</span></a> · <a rel="nofollow" class="jsLike like_it gr-button gr-button--small" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/new?remember=true&return_url=%2Freview%2Fshow%3Fid%3D20497733">Like</a></span> ∙ <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this review as inappropriate." id="flag_link20497733" href="/flagged/new?resource_id=20497733&resource_type=Review&return_url=%2Freview%2Fshow%3Fid%3D20497733">flag</a> </div> <div id="review-follow"> </div> </div></div><div class="big450BoxBottom"></div></div><br class="clear" /> </div> </div> <script type="text/javascript"> if (typeof window.uet == "function") { window.uet("cf"); } </script> <div class="box stacked" style="padding: 10px 5px; text-align:center"> <div class="mediumText stacked"> Sign into Goodreads to see if any of your friends have read <i>Starship Troopers</i>. </div> <a class="gr-button" rel="nofollow" href="/user/new?remember=true">Sign In »</a> </div> <br/> <div class=" clearFloats bigBox"><div class="h2Container gradientHeaderContainer"><h2 class="brownBackground">Reading Progress</h2></div><div class="bigBoxBody"><div class="bigBoxContent containerWithHeaderContent"> <div class="readingTimeline"> <div class='readingTimeline__row'> <div class='readingTimeline__bullet'></div> <div class='readingTimeline__text'> <span> Started Reading </span>  </div> </div> <div class='readingTimeline__row'> <div class='readingTimeline__bullet'></div> <div class='readingTimeline__text'> July 13, 2007 – <span> Finished Reading </span>  </div> </div> <div class='readingTimeline__row'> <div class='readingTimeline__bullet'></div> <div class='readingTimeline__text'> April 18, 2008 – Shelved  </div> </div> </div> <div class="clear"></div></div></div><div class="bigBoxBottom"></div></div> <br/> <div class=" clearFloats bigBox"><div class="h2Container gradientHeaderContainer"><h2 class="brownBackground"><div class="extraHeader"><a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_form">Post a comment »</a></div>Comments <span class="smallText"> Showing 1-14 of 14 </span> <span class="smallText">(14 new)</span> </h2></div><div class="bigBoxBody"><div class="bigBoxContent containerWithHeaderContent"> <a name="top"></a> <div> <div class="right" style="text-align: right; margin-left: 10px;"> <a href="/review/show?id=20497733&order=d&page=1">date<img src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/down_arrow-1e1fa5642066c151f5e0136233fce98a.gif" alt="Down arrow" /></a>    <span class="greyText">newest »</span> </div> </div> <br class="clear"/> <div id="comment_list"> <div id="ajax_errors"></div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_1492805"> <div id="comment_number_1" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 1:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Pamr" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1341171-pamr">Pamr</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/30067408">rated it <strong>4</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 13, 2008 03:28PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_1492805">Aug 13, 2008 03:28PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="1341171" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Pamr" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1341171-pamr"><img alt="Pamr" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/f_25x33-d79c46f9428d2aea1444d67c091766a6.png" /></a> I agree with Paul about the words Camaraderie, Sacrifice and Responsibility being more than mere words to the protagonist. I believe that Heinlein is saying more than that it is what makes a good officer he is saying that it is what makes a person into a good citizen. <br /><br />In his society it is instilled and achieved by military service but is as applicable to everyone today. Being there for people even if we are having a bad day, making personal scarifices (as small as being a little less selfish and thinking of someone other than ourselves for a minute) and taking responsibility for ourselves and our actions without seeking to blame anything and everything else for the situation.<br /><br />Paul should be proud of his profession being a soldier and maybe it is an inditment of our society today and it's values that it took this novel for that spark to come into being...just a thought.<br /><br /> <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Pamr wrote: "I agree with Paul about the words Camaraderie, Sacrifice and Responsibility being more than mere words to the protagonist. I believe that Heinlein is saying more than that it is what makes a good o..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=1492805&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_9870169"> <div id="comment_number_2" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 2:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Dr M" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/225734-dr-m">Dr M</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/73183980">rated it <strong>4</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Oct 06, 2009 03:24AM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_9870169">Oct 06, 2009 03:24AM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="225734" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Dr M" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/225734-dr-m"><img alt="Dr M" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/m_25x33-8a3530ed95c3dbef8bf215b080559b09.png" /></a> <i>The society could very well work if it was implemented exactly in the fashion it is described in his novel, but the transition from our current societal structure to this system of government is EXTREMELY unlikely.</i><br /><br />Agreed, but I don't think it was Heinlein's intention that we should believe such a transition likely: it is not a prophecy about the future of society. The society Heinlein sets up is simply a backdrop that allows him to discuss questions about what it means to be a citizen, as well as a bunch of moral issues. It also allows him to expose some of the vulnerability of modern society (his discussions about crime, juvenile crime and responsibility, and the disintegration of XXth century society). I think it is a mistake to believe that Heinlein actually intended this as a likely societal development, or indeed a desirable society.<br /><br />And if you feel proud of being a soldier after reading this book, that would probably make Heinlein happy. As I understand it, Troopers was written because Heinlein was pissed off at seeing soldiers consistently portrayed as mindless grunts and wanted to give his view about what good soldiers are actually (supposed to be) like. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Dr M wrote: "The society could very well work if it was implemented exactly in the fashion it is described in his novel, but the transition from our current societal structure to this system of government is EX..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=9870169&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_32352410"> <div id="comment_number_3" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 3:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Jesse" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/5675414-jesse">Jesse</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/178802459">rated it <strong>5</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Jun 22, 2011 12:51PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_32352410">Jun 22, 2011 12:51PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="5675414" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Jesse" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/5675414-jesse"><img alt="Jesse" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1308758663p1/5675414.jpg" /></a> This has to be one of my favorite books of all time and I find myself agreeing with much of his philosophy throughout the book. <br /><br />I just wanted to point out that this wasn't a society that evolved from our current universal suffrage. It came about after the collapse of our current societies. As some veterans were the ones that picked up the pieces and only trusted other veterans the system evolved from that. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Jesse wrote: "This has to be one of my favorite books of all time and I find myself agreeing with much of his philosophy throughout the book. \n\nI just wanted to point out that this wasn\'t a society that evolved ..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=32352410&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_64376087"> <div id="comment_number_4" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 4:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Joseph" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/15437229-joseph">Joseph</a> </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> (last edited Dec 28, 2012 10:36PM) </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/481414306">added it</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Dec 28, 2012 10:35PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_64376087">Dec 28, 2012 10:35PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="15437229" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Joseph" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/15437229-joseph"><img alt="Joseph" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/m_25x33-8a3530ed95c3dbef8bf215b080559b09.png" /></a> It's nice to read a review about this book from someone who: A. has actually served in the military and B. isn't some pretentious self-righteous douche who only commented on the book's page so they could spout off their political commentary (with the privilege of looking back at the past 50 years in hindsight no less). With that out of the way, spot-on. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Joseph wrote: "It\'s nice to read a review about this book from someone who: A. has actually served in the military and B. isn\'t some pretentious self-righteous douche who only commented on the book\'s page so they..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=64376087&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_81855097"> <div id="comment_number_5" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 5:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Nate Mcauley" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/23519745-nate-mcauley">Nate</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 30, 2013 01:13AM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_81855097">Aug 30, 2013 01:13AM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="23519745" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Nate Mcauley" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/23519745-nate-mcauley"><img alt="Nate Mcauley" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1377849520p1/23519745.jpg" /></a> Paul let me say that your review is spot on. The little i have read of this book impresses me. I am overseas once again and things are getting complicated, yet again so i would strongly appreciate it if i could contact you once again. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Nate wrote: "Paul let me say that your review is spot on. The little i have read of this book impresses me. I am overseas once again and things are getting complicated, yet again so i would strongly appreciate ..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=81855097&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_95782042"> <div id="comment_number_6" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 6:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="John Rossman" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7396767-john-rossman">John</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/260020746">rated it <strong>4</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Apr 01, 2014 01:36AM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_95782042">Apr 01, 2014 01:36AM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="7396767" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="John Rossman" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7396767-john-rossman"><img alt="John Rossman" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1396004868p1/7396767.jpg" /></a> I have read the book many years before the movie came out. When I watched the movie, the book was still fresh in my mind and disregarded the movie as separate entity. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>John wrote: "I have read the book many years before the movie came out. When I watched the movie, the book was still fresh in my mind and disregarded the movie as separate entity."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=95782042&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_103246333"> <div id="comment_number_7" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 7:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Corey Simmins" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/17281228-corey-simmins">Corey</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1010538137">rated it <strong>5</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Jul 29, 2014 03:30PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_103246333">Jul 29, 2014 03:30PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="17281228" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Corey Simmins" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/17281228-corey-simmins"><img alt="Corey Simmins" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1361052393p1/17281228.jpg" /></a> I teach it every year to high school seniors. Love it for all aforementioned reasons.....and then some. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Corey wrote: "I teach it every year to high school seniors. Love it for all aforementioned reasons.....and then some."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=103246333&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_142785480"> <div id="comment_number_8" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 8:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Troy Grice" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/10489631-troy-grice">Troy</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1441856666">rated it <strong>3</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Nov 13, 2015 03:39PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_142785480">Nov 13, 2015 03:39PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="10489631" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Troy Grice" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/10489631-troy-grice"><img alt="Troy Grice" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1674917847p1/10489631.jpg" /></a> Love the movie. An excellent and scathing satire on fascism. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Troy wrote: "Love the movie. An excellent and scathing satire on fascism."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=142785480&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_155201016"> <div id="comment_number_9" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 9:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Bashbot" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/58364839-bashbot">Bashbot</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1719336740">rated it <strong>4</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 05, 2016 05:27PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_155201016">Aug 05, 2016 05:27PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="58364839" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Bashbot" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/58364839-bashbot"><img alt="Bashbot" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/u_25x33-ccd24e68f4773d33a41ce08c3a34892e.png" /></a> One of Heinlein's big reasons for writing the book as well was as a counterpoint to those who were arguing at the time ground forces were no longer needed in the atomic age and future wars would just consist of nuclear exchanges which would leave both sides devastated, but one more than the other. Duty and service are larger themes, but he does come back to the point a few times that the use or demonstration of force is not always about seeing how many people you can kill and nuance is still necessary. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Bashbot wrote: "One of Heinlein\'s big reasons for writing the book as well was as a counterpoint to those who were arguing at the time ground forces were no longer needed in the atomic age and future wars would ju..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=155201016&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_155201874"> <div id="comment_number_10" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 10:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Troy Grice" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/10489631-troy-grice">Troy</a> </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> (last edited Aug 05, 2016 06:07PM) </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1441856666">rated it <strong>3</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 05, 2016 05:57PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_155201874">Aug 05, 2016 05:57PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="10489631" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Troy Grice" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/10489631-troy-grice"><img alt="Troy Grice" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1674917847p1/10489631.jpg" /></a> I hold out hope that it was Heinlein's satirical indictment of military worship, empire, and fascism worship. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Troy wrote: "I hold out hope that it was Heinlein\'s satirical indictment of military worship, empire, and fascism worship."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=155201874&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_155202610"> <div id="comment_number_11" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 11:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Bashbot" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/58364839-bashbot">Bashbot</a> </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> (last edited Aug 05, 2016 06:23PM) </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1719336740">rated it <strong>4</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 05, 2016 06:23PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_155202610">Aug 05, 2016 06:23PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="58364839" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Bashbot" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/58364839-bashbot"><img alt="Bashbot" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/u_25x33-ccd24e68f4773d33a41ce08c3a34892e.png" /></a> The guy who made the movie hated the book and didn't actually read it.<br /><br />Heinlein was very pro military (he attended Annapolis) and looked at military service as a right of passage which is a common theme among many of his books. He was always involved in groups which promoted national defense (Patrick Henry League among others) and one of the last notable events along this vein was his falling out with Arthur C Clarke due to Clarke's criticism of SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative, or Star Wars), which Heinlein was in favor of and viewed as a U.S. matter. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Bashbot wrote: "The guy who made the movie hated the book and didn\'t actually read it.\n\nHeinlein was very pro military (he attended Annapolis) and looked at military service as a right of passage which is a common..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=155202610&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_155205477"> <div id="comment_number_12" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 12:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Troy Grice" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/10489631-troy-grice">Troy</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1441856666">rated it <strong>3</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 05, 2016 08:05PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_155205477">Aug 05, 2016 08:05PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="10489631" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Troy Grice" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/10489631-troy-grice"><img alt="Troy Grice" src="https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1674917847p1/10489631.jpg" /></a> Yes, I agree. Heinlein advocated militarism and imperialism in Starship Troopers. There is no escaping the endorsement of fascism in that book. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Troy wrote: "Yes, I agree. Heinlein advocated militarism and imperialism in Starship Troopers. There is no escaping the endorsement of fascism in that book."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=155205477&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_155206109"> <div id="comment_number_13" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 13:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Bashbot" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/58364839-bashbot">Bashbot</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/1719336740">rated it <strong>4</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Aug 05, 2016 08:19PM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_155206109">Aug 05, 2016 08:19PM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="58364839" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Bashbot" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/58364839-bashbot"><img alt="Bashbot" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/u_25x33-ccd24e68f4773d33a41ce08c3a34892e.png" /></a> But on the upside, it was multi cultural/multi racial fascism :) Juan Rico was Pilipino. And Heinlein did give us the free love and libertarian manifesto's not to long after. I get off the train before the incest manifestos not too long after that though. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Bashbot wrote: "But on the upside, it was multi cultural/multi racial fascism :) Juan Rico was Pilipino. And Heinlein did give us the free love and libertarian manifesto\'s not to long after. I get off the train be..."</i>\n\n' + $('comment_body_usertext').value;new Effect.Highlight('comment_body_usertext')" class="smallText" href="#comment_form">reply</a> | <a class="flag smallText greyText" rel="nofollow" title="Flag this Comment as inappropriate." href="/flagged/new?resource_id=155206109&resource_type=Comment&return_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodreads.com%2Freview%2Fshow%2F20497733">flag</a> </div> </div> <br class="clear" /> </div> <div class="comment u-anchorTarget" id="comment_250478303"> <div id="comment_number_14" class="u-anchorTarget"></div> <div class="brownBox "> <div class="left commentHeaderLeft"> <strong>message 14:</strong> by <span class="commentAuthor"> <a title="Todd A. Grissom" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/83764196-todd-a-grissom">Todd A. Grissom</a> </span> <span class="newCommentsText"> (new) </span> <span class="greyText smallText"> - <a href="/review/show/4838522527">rated it <strong>5</strong> stars</a> </span> </div> <div class="right" title="Jul 11, 2022 09:06AM"> <a rel="nofollow" href="#comment_250478303">Jul 11, 2022 09:06AM</a> </div> <br class="clear"/> </div> <div class="mediumText reviewText" style="margin-top: 10px"> <a class="commenterIcon js-tooltipTrigger tooltipTrigger" data-resource-id="83764196" data-resource-type="User" data-extra="null" title="Todd A. Grissom" href="https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/83764196-todd-a-grissom"><img alt="Todd A. Grissom" src="https://s.gr-assets.com/assets/nophoto/user/u_25x33-ccd24e68f4773d33a41ce08c3a34892e.png" /></a> "but the transition from our current societal structure to this system of government is EXTREMELY unlikely."<br /><br />This is one of those books that I re-read on a near annual basis. I find greater depth in Heinlein's writing than many people here seem to.<br /><br />But specifically to the quote from your review, and the ongoing events both in the United States and around the globe, you almost have to wonder how prescient he and Orwell, Dick, etc really may turn out to be. <br/><br/> </div> <div> <div class="right"> <a onclick="$('comment_body_usertext').value = '<i>Todd A. Grissom wrote: "\"but the transition from our current societal structure to this system of government is EXTREMELY unlikely.\"\n\nThis is one of those books that I re-read on a near annual basis. 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