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data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Från Wikipedia</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="sv" dir="ltr"><span data-mw-thread-id="h--2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h--2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z"></span></span><table class="messagebox standard-talk"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Fil:Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_(Vienna)_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg/80px-Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="59" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg/120px-Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg/160px-Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder_-_The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Vienna%29_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg 2x" data-file-width="30000" data-file-height="21952"/></a></span> </td> <td valign="top">Artikeln <b><a href="/wiki/Affrikata" title="Affrikata">Affrikata</a></b> är av intresse för <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Projekt_spr%C3%A5k" title="Wikipedia:Projekt språk">Projekt språk</a></b>, ett försök att förbättra <a href="/wiki/Spr%C3%A5k" title="Språk">språkrelaterade</a> artiklar, där du också är <b>välkommen att delta!</b> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p><p>Uttalas verkligen child tjajld? Jag har alltid uttalat det med mjukt sje-ljud. /<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Grillo" title="Användare:Grillo">Grillo</a> 13 december 2004 kl.23.27 (CET) </p> <dl><dd>Jodå, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=child">dictionary.com/child</a>. Jämför även den engelska artikeln om affrikator.</dd> <dd>Jag kan för övrigt inte svära på att de grekiska exemplen är korrekta. Jag har inte sett dem användas någon annanstans, men de uppfyller mig veterligen kraven för affrikator. —<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Caesar" title="Användare:Caesar">Caesar</a> 13 december 2004 kl.23.30 (CET) <dl><dd>"Inhemska" engelska ord som börjar på ch uttalas svjv i regel alltid med "tj"/"tch"-ljud i såväl tydlig brittisk som amerikansk engelska (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_Pronunciation" class="extiw" title="en:Received Pronunciation">Received pronunciation</a> resp. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American" class="extiw" title="en:General American">General American</a>). Chicago skall vara ett undantag, eftersom det är lånat från ett indianspråk eller liknande. <a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Wakuran" title="Användare:Wakuran">惑乱分からん</a> <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Affrikata#c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 februari 2007 kl. 15.55 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">svara</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T14:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition" data-mw-thread-id="h-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z"></span>Grafem och morfem-beroende definition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Affrikata&action=edit&section=1" title="Redigera avsnitts källkod: Grafem och morfem-beroende definition"><span>redigera wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition"></span>Huvudkarakteristiken för «affrikator» är att de två segmenten ska ha det samma artikulationsstället. /tʃ/ är en sekvens därför att /t/ artikuleras dentalt eller alveolart medan /ʃ/ artikuleras (postalveo-)palatalt. /ʧ/ är en affrikata därför att den /t-/ delen artikuleras (postalveo-)palatalt (den skulle behövs diakritik(er) eller en speciell symbol; ligaturkonventionen förenklar transkriptioner). </p><p>Den morfem saken beror på det särskilda språksystemet man studerar. Faktum att till exempel på engelska <i>white shoes</i> har /tʃ/ och <i>why choose</i> har /ʧ/ har ingenting att göra med det precisa fonetiska identitet av /tʃ/ som är en hetero-organisk sekvens och /ʧ/ som är ett homo-organiskt unikt klusil-(kon)striktivt ljud. </p><p><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Cestlogique" class="extiw" title="fr:Utilisateur:Cestlogique">Flofl.</a> 30 augusti 2005 kl.13.41 (CEST) </p> <dl><dd>Jag är inte säker på vilka ändringar/förbättringar du är ute efter. Menar du att t.ex. <span class="IPA" style="font-family:Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS, Gentium, GentiumAlt, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, Doulos SIL; font-family :inherit;">[ks]</span> i <i>xylo-</i> inte är en affrikata, eftersom <span class="IPA" style="font-family:Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS, Gentium, GentiumAlt, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, Doulos SIL; font-family :inherit;">[k]</span> är velar men <span class="IPA" style="font-family:Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS, Gentium, GentiumAlt, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, Doulos SIL; font-family :inherit;">[s]</span> inte? Om det är något fel så rättar vi naturligtvis.</dd> <dd>Artikeln nämner redan att <span class="IPA" style="font-family:Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS, Gentium, GentiumAlt, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, Doulos SIL; font-family :inherit;">[tɧ]</span> i ”utskälld” inte är en affrikata på grund av att de två delfonerna tillhör olika morfem, men det finns gott om utrymme för förbättringar. —<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Caesar" title="Användare:Caesar">C<small>ÆSAR</small></a> 30 augusti 2005 kl.14.18 (CEST)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Ja, /ks/ kan inte vara en affrikata. Det finns dock /kç, kx, kχ/ till exempel. Segmenten måste också vara både tonande eller tonlöss. Eftersom konventionen är att klusivens symbol ska tolkas homo-organiskt till det konstriktiva segmentet, så använder man allmänna symboler för enkelhet. /p, b/ används från bilabiala och labiodentla; /t, d/ från dentala till prepalatala; /k, g/ från palatala till uvulara.</dd> <dd>Jag vågar inte «förbättra» artiklarna själv eftersom jag är inte en riktig svensktalande!</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Flofl" title="Användare:Flofl">Flofl</a> 30 augusti 2005 kl.19.50 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Oroa dig inte för det, du skriver tillräckligt bra för att kunna ta bort felaktigheter och ändra så att det står rätt. Om det blir stav- eller grammatikfel så fixar vi gladeligen! —<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Caesar" title="Användare:Caesar">C<small>ÆSAR</small></a> 30 augusti 2005 kl.21.35 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Så länge du är sakkunnig, rättas gärna små fel i f.ö. begripligt språk. <a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Wakuran" title="Användare:Wakuran">惑乱分からん</a> <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Affrikata#c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">24 februari 2007 kl. 00.33 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">svara</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wakuran-2007-02-23T23:33:00.000Z-Grafem_och_morfem-beroende_definition"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Jag är inte helt nöjd med beskrivningen av en affrikata som '2 foner'. I min uppfattning är det mer korrekt att tala om en fon som har en initial ocklusionsfas, påminnande om en klusil, följt av en utdragen releasefas, påminnande om en frikativa. Det är alltså fråga om 'en fon', det är hur man avbryter den ocklusion (avspärrning av luftströmmen) som inleder fonen som skiljer en affrikata från en klusil (där man abrupt öppnar upp för luftströmmen)./<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Sannab" title="Användare:Sannab">sanna</a> 19 oktober 2005 kl.10.48 (CEST) </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Hämtad från ”<a dir="ltr" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Affrikata&oldid=3749337">https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Affrikata&oldid=3749337</a>”</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Sidan redigerades senast den 24 februari 2007 kl. 00.33.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Wikipedias text är tillgänglig under licensen <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.sv">Creative Commons Erkännande-dela-lika 4.0 Unported</a>. 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