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class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="22" dir="ltr"></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:Marcocapelle/" name="prefix"><br><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"></form></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Women_nobility"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Women nobility</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Nobility_by_country"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Nobility by country</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Monarchs_of_South_Africa"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Monarchs of South Africa</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Counts in the Holy Roman Empire</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Merge_of_category"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Merge of category</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#African-American_Civil_rights_movement"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">African-American Civil rights movement</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Massive_removal_of_categories"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Massive removal of categories</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Counts of the Russian Empire</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Noblemen"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Noblemen</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">I am tired of being attacked by Mason</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#French_immigrants_to_Canada"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">French immigrants to Canada</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Precious_anniversary"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Precious anniversary</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Edlers"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">Edlers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">17th-century mayors of places in the United States</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">16th-century people of the Thirteen Colonies</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Category:Islam_and_slavery"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Islam and slavery</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Colonial_Americans"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Colonial Americans</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Greek_Muses"><span class="tocnumber">20</span> <span class="toctext">Greek Muses</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Drawing_artists"><span class="tocnumber">21</span> <span class="toctext">Drawing artists</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Request_on_Numberblocks"><span class="tocnumber">22</span> <span class="toctext">Request on Numberblocks</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#West_Asia_v._Middle_East"><span class="tocnumber">23</span> <span class="toctext">West Asia v. Middle East</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz"><span class="tocnumber">24</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#AA_Baseball_CFD"><span class="tocnumber">25</span> <span class="toctext">AA Baseball CFD</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"><span class="tocnumber">26</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists has been nominated for merging</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"><span class="tocnumber">27</span> <span class="toctext">Categorization by historical subdivisions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Writers_about_the_Holocaust"><span class="tocnumber">28</span> <span class="toctext">Writers about the Holocaust</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Hong_Kong_women_rappers"><span class="tocnumber">29</span> <span class="toctext">Hong Kong women rappers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Category:TripleS_(group)"><span class="tocnumber">30</span> <span class="toctext">Category:TripleS (group)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain"><span class="tocnumber">31</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Medieval history of Bahrain</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pages_to_diffuse."><span class="tocnumber">32</span> <span class="toctext">I currently am diffusing multiple categories, some of which have hundreds of pages to diffuse.</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Lego_Dimensions"><span class="tocnumber">33</span> <span class="toctext">Lego Dimensions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#New_procedure"><span class="tocnumber">34</span> <span class="toctext">New procedure</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"><span class="tocnumber">35</span> <span class="toctext">Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers has been nominated for merging</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"><span class="tocnumber">36</span> <span class="toctext">Why did you remove the Abbots by nationality and century category header?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Mexican_California"><span class="tocnumber">37</span> <span class="toctext">Mexican California</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Kingdoms_of_the_Vedic_period"><span class="tocnumber">38</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Kingdoms of the Vedic period</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research"><span class="tocnumber">39</span> <span class="toctext">Invitation to participate in a research</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia"><span class="tocnumber">40</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:People by former municipality in Latvia</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state"><span class="tocnumber">41</span> <span class="toctext">Category:2028 elections in the United States by state</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:17th_century_in_Somalia"><span class="tocnumber">42</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:17th century in Somalia</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:13th_century_in_Somalia"><span class="tocnumber">43</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:13th century in Somalia</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios"><span class="tocnumber">44</span> <span class="toctext">Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American Californios</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Category_idea"><span class="tocnumber">45</span> <span class="toctext">Category idea</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"><span class="tocnumber">46</span> <span class="toctext">Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Habib_Bourguiba"><span class="tocnumber">47</span> <span class="toctext">Habib Bourguiba</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="tocnumber">48</span> <span class="toctext">ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Women_nobility" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_nobility-20240817230000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_nobility-20240817230000"></span>Women nobility<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_nobility-20240817230000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Women nobility" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-83' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility"></span>Mason just asked me to stop creating new noblewomen categories. I think this is very unfair and an abuse of process. She has clearly not in Amy way presented an argument that being a noblewomam is not defining, and it is clearly a case where being such as a place where gender and occupation intersect a huge amount. So much so that most such categories as far as I can tell are fully diffused btmy gender. Dukes and Duchesses; Counts or Earls and Countesses, Barons and Baroness, Princesses and princesses. For most of these noble titles there is no gender neutral position. I do not think anyone would ever call a duchess a Duke or a Countess a count. Mason is the only of about 5 editors who has proposed deletion, and she has not really addressed how that would work. Does this mean delete Countess, duchess etc cats, or would we just delete the women nobility tree. And not allow say French noblewomen but allow French Duchesses? An issue here is some of the people who get placed directly in X nationality women are noblewomen for whom we either do not know the title, or do not have a category on the title. I think being a noblewomen is in the main more defining than being a Countess or a duchess. In a lot of cases the real difference between Countess and duchess is negligible. Some women are both simultaneously. Lastly is women nobility mean to collect articles on titles or people? Right now it's actual content is articles on titles, although only 2. I am thinking we want both categories, one to collect articles on titles, and another to collect articles on people </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> there is no sense of urgency in creating new noblewomen categories, so let's first wait how the discussion plays out. I agree with you that deletion would raise issues and maybe at most a merge is possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600"></span>Someone has tried to argue Queens do not go here since royalty and nobility are different. However Royalty is a sub-cat of nobility. So it would seem we can place all royalty categories within nobility categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Nobility_by_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nobility_by_country-20240819121100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nobility_by_country-20240819121100"></span>Nobility by country<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nobility_by_country-20240819121100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Nobility by country" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-84' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country"></span>I do not think we want to move this to by nationality. The think is here we want to link the title to the country where it originates in, the actual residence of the holder of the title does not matter. I think we might want to go the other way around and change most categories to forms like "Counts in France" instead of "French counts". I also noticed that "royalty by country" is a sub-cat of this. Up until recently "royalty" was a sub-cat of "nobility", however an editor recently moved it out. He also left a very rude note on my talk page about this. The things is many people have at the same time held titles that were both royal and noble. So for a time the King of England was at the same time Duke of Normandy, Duke of Anjou and Duke of Aquitaine, all nobles titles in France. The King of Denmark was Duke of Holstein, and there are other examples. Also at times you had dukes and other holders of noble tiles who were de facto independent. It might be better to create a parent category "Nobility and royalty" and possibly rename some of the sub-cats along those lines. I think though we really should stay with country. "Nationality" is often a very poor way to descibe anything pre-1800, and that is when a large portion of the people who were nobility that we have articles actually lived.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country"></span> </p> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100"></span>This especially comes up because the Kingdom of France up until 1526 included the County of Flanders, the least French part of what is now Belgium. The Counts of Flanders are clearly "Counts in France", calling them "French counts" seems much more problematic. Also the Kingdom of the Netherlands from 1815-1830 includes modern Belgium, calling any nobles then "Nobles in the Netherlands" works, calling them "Dutch nobles" which is how it would be formulated on nationality lines, is more problematic. There are a lot more cases along these lines.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100"></span></li></ul></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Monarchs_of_South_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Monarchs_of_South_Africa-20240820030100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Monarchs_of_South_Africa-20240820030100"></span>Monarchs of South Africa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Monarchs_of_South_Africa-20240820030100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Monarchs of South Africa" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-85' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa"></span>One issue here is some of these were monarches in what is now South Africa before South Africa existed. However we have other similarly poorly named categories. Sometimes with no rhyme of reason. We have "Princes of the Holy Roman Empure" but "Princesses in the Holy Roman Empire". Neither is primarily the children of the Emperor. There were dozens of small principalities in the Holy Roman Empire, the top ranked people were mainly the electors and the King of Bohemia, but it does seem the average Duke had more power than the average prince. So I think in would do better. I think in general with nobility we should only use "Duke of foo", "prince of foo" etc when they are "Dukes of York" or "Princes of Wales" where that is an actual title. Which means "Princes in Wales" would be the various Princes in early Medieval times, and a distinct category.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire" data-mw-thread-id="h-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire-20240820124500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire-20240820124500"></span>Counts in the Holy Roman Empire<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire-20240820124500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Counts in the Holy Roman Empire" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-86' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"></span>We have both <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Counts in the Holy Roman Empire (page does not exist)">Category:Counts in the Holy Roman Empire</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Counts_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire" title="Category:Counts of the Holy Roman Empire">Category:Counts of the Holy Roman Empire</a>. I do not believe "Count of the Holy Roman Empire" was a title. I also do not believe there is any other discernable difference. Since it was not a title, we probably should use the in form, but even more clear we are not served by having 2 categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Merge_of_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_of_category-20240822050600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_of_category-20240822050600"></span>Merge of category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_of_category-20240822050600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Merge of category" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-87' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category"></span>As per outcome <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_12#Category:South_Korean_food_writers" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 12">Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_12#Category:South_Korean_food_writers</a>, I've never merged a category, how is it done? <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a>:</span> you don't need to do anything. The closer <a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">User:Queen of Hearts</a> will take care of it. It'll be done probably within the next few days. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100"></span>OK thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="African-American_Civil_rights_movement" data-mw-thread-id="h-African-American_Civil_rights_movement-20240827022200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-African-American_Civil_rights_movement-20240827022200"></span>African-American Civil rights movement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-African-American_Civil_rights_movement-20240827022200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: African-American Civil rights movement" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-88' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement"></span>There was also a Latino civil rights movement in the US centered on the work of LULAC. So I think the disambiguation is very much needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Massive_removal_of_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Massive_removal_of_categories-20240828040900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Massive_removal_of_categories-20240828040900"></span>Massive removal of categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Massive_removal_of_categories-20240828040900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Massive removal of categories" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-89' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Altenmann-20240830181300-Altenmann-20240828040900">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories"></span>Rv. These were historical **geography** categories hence their usage was perfecttly valid. I reverted your removals. If you disagree, please explain. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900"></span>P.S. If there was a dicussion about this (I admit I may not be aware of it), please include its link to edit summaries. If there was no such discussion, it is not a good idea of embarking on massive changes without talking them through. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a>:</span> there have been numerous discussions in the course of years. An example is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_May_21#Places_by_former_East_German_administrative_division" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 21">Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_May_21#Places_by_former_East_German_administrative_division</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span>I see. I think there must be a general RFC in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:CAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:CAT">WT:CAT</a>, because these "numerous discussions" missed my attention. I do see your point made in CFD, but I do have arguments against it. I will start the RFC tomorrow. I will let you know. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span 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ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire" data-mw-thread-id="h-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire-20240828225900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire-20240828225900"></span>Counts of the Russian Empire<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire-20240828225900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Counts of the Russian Empire" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-90' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire"></span>The dwscriptor for this category sats that thry are "counts in the Russian Empire". I think we should remame it to in.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" 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If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Noblemen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Noblemen-20240830173900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Noblemen-20240830173900"></span>Noblemen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Noblemen-20240830173900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Noblemen" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-92' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen"></span>Articles almost always describe the subject as a "nobleman" not another term. There is no actual argument for upmerging this category. No one has pointed out any issues with the fact that historically knights were nobles and ladies were noblewomen, where lady is a term for a position of rank. There is no argument advanced to upmerge this. Just a blank statement that we do not want to subdivide noblemen and noblewomen. Noblemen and noblewomen have different roles, different functions and are very different at least for most of history. I think it makes perfect sense to subdivide them. Especially since many of the subcats that do exist (especially some for barons) are under 5 articles. It would be much better to merge some barons categories up to the by country noblemen categories than to leave them as is.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-20240901202600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-20240901202600"></span>I am tired of being attacked by Mason<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-20240901202600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: I am tired of being attacked by Mason" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-93' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"></span>I am tired of bring attacked by the editor Mason. She attacked me for removing someone who died in 1718 from the 18th-century people from the Russian Empire, even though the Russian Empire did not exist until 1718. She also reverted my removal of <a href="/wiki/Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567%E2%80%931633)" title="Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)">Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)</a> from Ambassadors from the Netherlands catrgories. The Netherlands were formed in 1815 and so there were no Ambassadors from the Netherlands before that. I am tired of her insistence that she is absolutely right and especially of her insinuation that if I do not comply with her demands I will never by allied to participate in AfD ever again. That was beyond the pale of rudeness. I thought that the by century categories existed as a method to subdivide other things. It is telling that until my recent placement of the person who she complained about removal from the 18th-century people from the Russian Empire directly in the 18th-century people category there was no person in the 18th-century people category directly.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600"></span>Really? @<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a> I'm sorry that you feel attacked. But this is an unfair characterization. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-20240901205400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-20240901205400"></span>Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-20240901205400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-94' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> <p><a href="/wiki/Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" title="Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"></span>Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War</a> is another place where this comes up. Our article explicitly says this was a conflict between the Tsardom of Russia and the Swedish Empire. The creation of the Russian Empire is by our article defined as a consequence of this war. For these reasons I moved the military personnel Category under the Tsardom of Russia tree and edited the information to correctly reflect that these people were in the military of the Tsardom of Russia. With cases where we are categorizing direct government agents, that is Ambassadors, military personnel, civil servants, royalty, judges, maybe nobility and a few others, the specific polity is very important. We clearly should not categorize people are serving the Russian Empire when thry actually act before the Russian Empire existed. It is very frustrating to do edits that correctly reflect history and follow the existing articles only to have them reverted by an editor who seems most intent on imposing modern boundaries on all out understanding of the past.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400"></span>This categories parent, Russian people of the Great Northern War, only has this category as a sub-cat. No direct articles. This category is in other ways in the Great Northern War and Russian categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="French_immigrants_to_Canada" data-mw-thread-id="h-French_immigrants_to_Canada-20240901224300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-French_immigrants_to_Canada-20240901224300"></span>French immigrants to Canada<span data-mw-comment-end="h-French_immigrants_to_Canada-20240901224300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: French immigrants to Canada" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-95' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada"></span>Can we at least agree that people who moved from France to New France do not belong in this category. I am thinking such a high percentage of People of New France (which probably should be renamed People from New France) were born in France that it makes no sense to create a French emigrants to New France, but we should not conflate them with Frebch immigrants to Canada, that at its broadest should be limited to Beitish and Commonwealth Canada, and makes no sense if it includes areas before British rakeover.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton 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data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Gerda_Arendt-20240902070500-Precious_anniversary">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 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box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-radius:0.5em;"><caption class="infobox-title">Precious</caption><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/110px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" decoding="async" width="110" height="132" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1490" data-file-height="1792"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 110px;height: 132px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/110px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" data-width="110" data-height="132" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/165px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg 1.5x, 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Edlers-20240903013700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edlers-20240903013700"></span>Edlers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edlers-20240903013700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Edlers" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-97' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers"></span>I was going to create a category Edlers in the Holy Roman Empire (I really think in is the right preposition here) but it seems like there is such a push to preserve Austria/German distinction pre-1805 that it will take a CfD to create such a category. There are 5 of the 15 Edlers of Germany who are pre-1805, and at least a few of the 86 Edlers of Austria who fall in that time period. I have no idea why the Austria category is so much bigger. I am not sure Austria is the right term since the title was abolished with the fall of Austria-Hungary, but I am not sure an Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary split makes sense.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> to me this looks like a case of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OCAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OCAWARD">WP:OCAWARD</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500"></span>So you think all edler categories should be deleted. This may be true. I do not have a good grasp one way or the other on the system of titles in the Holy Roman Empire and its successor states.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States" data-mw-thread-id="h-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-20240903150400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-20240903150400"></span>17th-century mayors of places in the United States<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-20240903150400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: 17th-century mayors of places in the United States" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-98' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"></span>I do not think we should have this category. There was no United States until at least 1776, well into the 18th-century. I think the 17th-century Pennsylvania mayors category should be upmerged instead to Mayors in the Thirteen Colonies. I also wish I have named that category Mayors of places in the Thirteen Colonies, to match the sibblings we do have.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies" data-mw-thread-id="h-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-20240903234300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-20240903234300"></span>16th-century people of the Thirteen Colonies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-20240903234300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: 16th-century people of the Thirteen Colonies" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-99' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"></span>I think it would be better to use from and to rename the parent to People from the Thirteen Colonies as well. We have been trending to use of instead of from. At one point we remained all the categories of people from the specific Colonies to People from colonial New York, People from colonial Pennsylvania, etc. So it would seem logical to use the from form in the parent as well. The occuapat8onal categories, Surveyors from the Thirteen Colonies, Merchants from the Thirteen Colonies, Printers from the Thirteen Colonies, Artists from the Thirteen Colonies all pretty much use from (except Kayors in the Thirteen Colonies, which should be renamed to Mayors of places in the Thirteen Colonies, and that using in instrument of from is our standard proceedure).<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Category:Islam_and_slavery" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Islam_and_slavery-20240906162400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Islam_and_slavery-20240906162400"></span>Category:Islam and slavery<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Islam_and_slavery-20240906162400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Category:Islam and slavery" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-100' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery"></span>Hello, Marcocapelle.</dd> <dd>I was a little suprised to see a request for speedy deletion/renaming for Category:Islam and slavery. This should perhaps not be a speedy-issue, since this category is a sub-category of a main category that must correspond to its eqvivalent sub categories.</dd> <dd>You can not erase the "Category:Islam and slavery" without erazing the eqvivalent: "Category:Christianity and slavery" and "Category:Judaism and slavery". Wikipedia must be consistent: erase all of these categories, or none of them.</dd> <dd>These categories are useful for articles about the religion's rules and attituedes toward the institution of slavery. For example, the article <a href="/wiki/Concubinage_in_Islam" class="mw-redirect" title="Concubinage in Islam">Concubinage in Islam</a> is suitable to have in the category "Category:Islam and slavery".</dd> <dd>I do not object creating a sub categories such as for example "Category:History of slavery in the Muslim world", but the "Category:Islam and slavery" have a separate purpose. You can create "Category:History of slavery in the Muslim world" without deleting or renaming "Category:Islam and slavery".</dd> <dd>In short: If you erase "Category:Islam and slavery" and "Category:Islam and slavery" and "Category:Judaism and slavery" as well. They all have - or should have - the same use. I am not sure if I write this on the correct page, so please excuse me if I do not, but I thought I should point out an observation. My very best greetings--<a href="/wiki/User:Aciram" title="User:Aciram">Aciram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aciram" title="User talk:Aciram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aciram" title="User:Aciram">Aciram</a>:</span> feel free to leave an "oppose" at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFDS">WP:CFDS</a>. I'd like to stress though that the nomination does not concern any kind of erasure. Renaming does not impact the existence or the content of the category. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400"></span>I am a little uncertain exactly where to post my comment. I can add - since you also did - that a renaming would in a sense be an "erasure" since a new name would have a new meaning and would not longer correspond to its sister-categories.--<a href="/wiki/User:Aciram" title="User:Aciram">Aciram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aciram" title="User talk:Aciram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Colonial_Americans" data-mw-thread-id="h-Colonial_Americans-20240907121200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Colonial_Americans-20240907121200"></span>Colonial Americans<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Colonial_Americans-20240907121200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Colonial Americans" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-101' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans"></span>I think we should either rename the 17th-century categories to 17th-century people from the Thirteen Colonies. True there are not 13 colonies until 1732, but in our article we have accepted the term to refer to the grneral region for all its history. On further thought I think 16th-century American is so anachronistic we should scap all such categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Greek_Muses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Greek_Muses-20240907121700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Greek_Muses-20240907121700"></span>Greek Muses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Greek_Muses-20240907121700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Greek Muses" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-102' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses"></span>The argument that this is not ambiguous because the other category would be Greek muses should not be considered worthwhile. Any category disambiguation that relies on people correctly noticing which category has an upper case letter and which has a lower cases letter is not disambiguating enough.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Drawing_artists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drawing_artists-20240907125600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drawing_artists-20240907125600"></span>Drawing artists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drawing_artists-20240907125600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Drawing artists" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-103' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists"></span>The Drawing artists should not be merged to daughtsmen. That term is A-ambiguous, B-toiblesome because it ends in -men and c. Introduces an Emglish variation issue that could be solved by using a different term. If you look up the article <a href="/wiki/Draughtsman" class="mw-disambig" title="Draughtsman">Draughtsman</a> you will find there are 6 different occupations that are covered there. The current draughtsman tree is at least to some extent merging the Drawing artist and the drafter terms and has some people who are both. That is only the first problem. The second is that the term ends in -men. We generally avoid using a term that ends in that way. In fact this may be the only Category where a term ends in -men and is not actually gender specific. Fisherman are called fishers, businessmen, which at one point was so unmbiquitous is businesspeople unless we have specific men, policemen, firemen, postman and so on we avoid using. The best term is actually drawers. The problem is that is the same word used for A-parts of a dresser, cabinet or desk, b-an item of clothing and c-people who take water out of a well. So even Drawers (people) would be potentially ambiguous. The best we could do is drawers (artists) which might be better than the current name. C. Even if we ignore that draughtsman is both ambiguous and potentially excluding some of the content, we have the issue that in the US and some other places that use English the preferred spelling is draftsman. Lastly having looked at the sources "draughtsman" or "draftsman" is also not always how these people are described. Many reliable sources just say the person was an artist and mention that thry had notable drawings without ever trying to use a word to say what they were doing. Either "drawing artist" or "Drawers (artists)" is about the best we can do. Either will be far clearer and less ambiguous than the target.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Request_on_Numberblocks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_on_Numberblocks-20240908063800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_on_Numberblocks-20240908063800"></span>Request on Numberblocks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_on_Numberblocks-20240908063800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Request on Numberblocks" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-104' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks"></span>Please add Category:British English-language television shows to <a href="/wiki/Numberblocks" title="Numberblocks">this article</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.123.229.72" title="Special:Contributions/86.123.229.72">86.123.229.72</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.123.229.72" title="User talk:86.123.229.72">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(23)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="West_Asia_v._Middle_East" data-mw-thread-id="h-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-20240908184200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-20240908184200"></span>West Asia v. Middle East<span data-mw-comment-end="h-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-20240908184200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: West Asia v. 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West Asia is clearly less Euro-centric. There is also the issue that "Near East" at one time was the far more common term, At one point the Middle East more often referred to South Asia and maybe Iran. The last think we want is a category by categiry defintion. If we are going to have East Asia, West Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, etc categories we need to define them. The definition has to be uniform to topic, but not to time. So we could define Central Asia as those areas in Asia east of the limit of Chinese control. Thus at certain times Uigurstan was in central Asia, but today it is in East Asia. We do not want to define these terms differentl for different subjects though. Georgraohy of West Asia, Cities of West Asia, etc. Should cover the same area however we define it.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240908184200-West_Asia_v._Middle_East" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240908184200-West_Asia_v._Middle_East"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 48px;height: 42px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="48" data-height="42" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz (page does not exist)">Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz</a> indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">disambiguation category</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_soft_redirected_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories">category redirect</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_topics_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories">featured topics category</a>, under discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">Categories for discussion</a>, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit"><span style="color:#000000">✗</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit"><span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(25)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="AA_Baseball_CFD" data-mw-thread-id="h-AA_Baseball_CFD-20240911160500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AA_Baseball_CFD-20240911160500"></span>AA Baseball CFD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AA_Baseball_CFD-20240911160500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: AA Baseball CFD" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-107' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-25 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-25"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD"></span>Hey Marco. I just wanted to ask for some advice on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_10#c-Omnis_Scientia-20240910213500-Category:American_Association_Triple_Crown_winners" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 10">this Cfd</a>. Its a simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NARROWCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NARROWCAT">WP:NARROWCAT</a> about a 19th-century baseball league with only two articles. Now I do have a plan for it AFTER it is merged per nom so those articles aren't erased from the MLB cats. But its after. </p><p>I'm also following the usual pattern as set in baseball categories and previous discussions in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Baseball" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Baseball">WP:Baseball</a> (and even pointed out as much -- its a bit complicated, history wise so I won't get into it). However, the creator of the article is not assuming good faith and is being rathr vicious and derailing the Cfd by going on rants and painting my intentions in a bad light. Keep in mind, this is a simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NARROWCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NARROWCAT">WP:NARROWCAT</a> merge. They are straight up demanding I withdraw the nomination. </p><p>Can you help out? It will be much appreciated. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Omnis_Scientia" title="User:Omnis Scientia">Omnis Scientia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Omnis_Scientia" title="User talk:Omnis Scientia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span 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A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_12#Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 12">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Grnrchst" title="User:Grnrchst">Grnrchst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grnrchst" title="User talk:Grnrchst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span> </p></section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(27)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-20240912181400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-20240912181400"></span>Categorization by historical subdivisions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-20240912181400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Categorization by historical subdivisions" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-109' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-27 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-27"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span>Looking at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kybartai&diff=1245300263&oldid=1240509741">your another decat</a> it came to my mind that some of the places do belong to these due to their <i>strong nin-accidental assaciations</i>, namely capitals of their subdivisions. For example, for <a href="/wiki/Category:Suwa%C5%82ki_Governorate" title="Category:Suwałki Governorate">category:Suwałki Governorate</a> it is reasonable to contain <a href="/wiki/Suwa%C5%82ki" title="Suwałki">Suwałki</a> as its sapital, as well as Augustów, Kalvarija, etc., for being <a href="/wiki/Suwa%C5%82ki_Governorate" title="Suwałki Governorate">capitals of its counties</a>. What do you think? --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a>:</span> having been the capital of a past administrative division is not a defining characteristic of a current city. We do not even have categories for capitals of current administrative divisions. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000"></span>Please join in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:CAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:CAT">WT:CAT</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span>Sorry for bugging you again: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rim%C5%A1%C4%97&diff=1246045346&oldid=1207397899">you removed one item</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Novoalexandrovsky_Uyezd" title="Category:Novoalexandrovsky Uyezd">Category:Novoalexandrovsky Uyezd</a>, but there are three dozen more in it. Why you left them there? --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon 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class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-110' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator 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I do not think we should ever have only 1 nationality sub-cat. I really see no reason to divide a 29 article catrgory by nationality. This takes ideas of Ametican exceptionalism to an unjustified extreme.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust"><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(29)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Hong_Kong_women_rappers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-20240914124100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-20240914124100"></span>Hong Kong women rappers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-20240914124100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Hong Kong women rappers" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-111' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-29 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-29"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers"></span>Mizz Eva is in category "living people". So either she did not in fact die before Hong Kong became part of China or the article is very flawed.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100"></span>The article says she was born in 1981, so only about 15 when British rule ended, and that she released her first work in 2004. The only listed albums are from the 2010s.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100"><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(30)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Category:TripleS_(group)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:TripleS_(group)-20240919093400"><span id="Category:TripleS_.28group.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:TripleS_(group)-20240919093400"></span>Category:TripleS (group)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:TripleS_(group)-20240919093400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Category:TripleS (group)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-112' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-30 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-30"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)"></span>You said I could put it up for Speedy, is there a way to withdraw it? What speedy criteria do I need to list it under? <a href="/wiki/User:Btspurplegalaxy" title="User:Btspurplegalaxy"><b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond"><i>Btspurplegalaxy</i></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Btspurplegalaxy" title="User talk:Btspurplegalaxy"><b style="color:blue">💬</b></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Btspurplegalaxy" title="Special:Contributions/Btspurplegalaxy"><b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Btspurplegalaxy" title="User:Btspurplegalaxy">Btspurplegalaxy</a>:</span> you just need to mention that you are withdrawing it. Speedy criterion is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Liz-20240921064400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-31 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-31"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20240921064400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 48px;height: 42px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="48" data-height="42" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Medieval history of Bahrain (page does not exist)">Category:Medieval history of Bahrain</a> indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">disambiguation category</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_soft_redirected_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories">category redirect</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_topics_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories">featured topics category</a>, under discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">Categories for discussion</a>, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Medieval history of Bahrain (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a 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diffusing multiple categories, some of which have hundreds of pages to diffuse.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag-20240927123700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: I currently am diffusing multiple categories, some of which have hundreds of pages to diffuse." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-114' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-32 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-32"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag"></span>I just would like to know if there's a way to automate this instead of doing it by hand. <a href="/wiki/User:YourAverageWeeb" title="User:YourAverageWeeb">YourAverageWeeb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YourAverageWeeb" title="User talk:YourAverageWeeb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:YourAverageWeeb" title="User:YourAverageWeeb">YourAverageWeeb</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOTCAT">WP:HOTCAT</a> makes it a lot easier. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700"><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100"></span>thanks <a href="/wiki/User:YourAverageWeeb" title="User:YourAverageWeeb">YourAverageWeeb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YourAverageWeeb" title="User talk:YourAverageWeeb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100"><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(33)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Lego_Dimensions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lego_Dimensions-20240930022400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lego_Dimensions-20240930022400"></span><a href="/wiki/Lego_Dimensions" title="Lego Dimensions">Lego Dimensions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lego_Dimensions-20240930022400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Lego Dimensions" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-115' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-33 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-33"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions"></span>Hello, Marcocapelle, </p><p>Have you ever seen a worse example of overcategorization? I don't even know where to start removing categories. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions"><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>:</span> it probably is a record! I have removed settings by time and place. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400"><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400"></span></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(34)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="New_procedure" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_procedure-20241002205800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_procedure-20241002205800"></span>New procedure<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_procedure-20241002205800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: New procedure" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-116' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-34 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-34"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure"></span>Oo look, there is a new process of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_elections" title="Wikipedia:Administrator elections">WP:Administrator elections</a> as an alternative to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA">WP:RFA</a>. I would be very happy if you would help to test the process by putting yourself forward as a candidate. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london"><b><span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span></b>ondon</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure"><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20241005181300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20241005181300"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers" title="Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers">Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers</a> has been nominated for merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20241005181300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers has been nominated for merging" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-117' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-35 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-35"> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 48px;height: 41px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="48" data-height="41" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers" title="Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers">Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers</a> has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_5#Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 5">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span> </p></section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(36)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-20241008133200"><span id="Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-20241008133200"></span>Why did you remove the Abbots by nationality and century category header?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-20241008133200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Why did you remove the Abbots by nationality and century category header?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-118' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-36 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-36"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"></span>Please don't remove categories headers because you want to make a category more specific. You're welcome to nominate the category for renaming, and I'd support such moves, but removing the template is counter productive. I think that you're conflating nationality and religion when you move a nationality category into a specific religion. I've reverted your changes. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200"></span>I don't understand why instead of discussing the difference, here, you're nominating the tree for deletion,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_8#Early_abbots_by_century" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 8">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 8#Early abbots by century</a>. That just doesn't seem like a constructive path forward. What gives? <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200"><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600"></span>I've been trying to find common ground here, but you're making that difficult by not engaging with me at all. Like, I can't alter the template if you're unwilling to discuss the nuances of the issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600"><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(37)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Mexican_California" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mexican_California-20241010133500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mexican_California-20241010133500"></span>Mexican California<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mexican_California-20241010133500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Mexican California" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-119' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Johnpacklambert-20241011123300-Marcocapelle-20241011024600">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-37 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-37"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California"></span>This category is meant to seperare Mexican California from earlier Spanish Cifornia and later American California. Merging it to Alta California merges the Spanish and Mexican periods and removes it from the Mexican parents where it belongs.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California"><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> according to article <a href="/wiki/Alta_California" title="Alta California">Alta California</a> it was not called Alta California under Spanish rule. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500"><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100"></span>The article says it was established in 1804. Spanish rule lasted until 1821.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100"><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> it was called Nueva California under Spanish rule. We miss a category for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000"><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241011123300-Marcocapelle-20241011024600"></span>If that is the case, than we probably should rename all the In Alta California cats for 1820 and earlier to Nueva California. I have to admit I am not sure that level of division of the in New Spain category is justified for all those years though. Although if we translate Nueva Espana to New Spain, why not translate Nueva California to New California? I guess one way to check is what do reliable English-language sources call the place?<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241011123300-Marcocapelle-20241011024600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241011123300-Marcocapelle-20241011024600"><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="48" data-height="42" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:People by former municipality in Latvia (page does not exist)">Category:People by former municipality in Latvia</a> indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">disambiguation category</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_soft_redirected_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia soft 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If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:People by former municipality in Latvia (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20241024202000-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241024202000-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia"><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share 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comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-41 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-41"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AusLondonder-20241026082400-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state"></span>Hi Marcocapelle, just looking for some advice. Currently we have this category tree of 34 categories, mostly consisting of a single redirect to the same article: <a href="/wiki/2028_United_States_Senate_elections" title="2028 United States Senate elections">2028 United States Senate elections</a>. Is there any way to easily tag them all for deletion/merging? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:AusLondonder" title="User:AusLondonder">AusLondonder</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AusLondonder" title="User talk:AusLondonder">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-AusLondonder-20241026082400-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AusLondonder-20241026082400-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state"><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241026083000-AusLondonder-20241026082400"><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span 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If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:American_Californios&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:American Californios (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20241105223400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241105223400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios"><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241105223400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(45)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Category_idea" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_idea-20241108122400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category_idea-20241108122400"></span>Category idea<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category_idea-20241108122400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Category idea" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-127' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Marcocapelle-20241108122900-Killuminator-20241108122400">16 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-45 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-45"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Killuminator-20241108122400-Category_idea"></span>Hello. I noticed you were the creator of the category Children of general secretaries of communist parties and otherwise involved with similar categories. I've categorized many children of monarchs, presidents and prime ministers to make them more complete, even created some subcategories. The first category mentioned here stands out and I've an idea for a new one. I was thinking of categorizing children of US senators and governors. I've great interest in genealogies of powerful people, especially when their relatives are famous enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. However, I'm worried that genealogy and association stuff on Wikipedia has a bad reputation and will likely be contested. I'd like to hear your thoughts before even attempting to make a category. <a href="/wiki/User:Killuminator" title="User:Killuminator">Killuminator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Killuminator" title="User talk:Killuminator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Killuminator-20241108122400-Category_idea" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Killuminator-20241108122400-Category_idea"><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" 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If you haven’t yet had a chance, there is still time to participate– we’d truly appreciate your feedback. The survey is anonymous and should take about 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia_Administrator_Recruitment,_Retention,_and_Attrition" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition">Meta page</a> and view its <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator_Experiences_2024_Survey_Privacy_Statement" class="extiw" title="wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement">privacy statement</a>. </p><p>Take the survey <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/962595?lang=en">here</a></b>. </p><p>Kind Regards, </p><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Research" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research">WMF Research Team</a> </p><p><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:BGerdemann_(WMF)" 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class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Marcocapelle-20241118203800-Liz-20241118203100">6 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-47 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-47"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba"></span>Hello, Marcocapelle, </p><p>I think we have an instance of overcategorization here but you have more experience than I do at pruning away inappropriate categories than I do. Can you spare a minute to review this article? Thank you, in advance. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba"><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241118203800-Liz-20241118203100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>:</span> I am afraid I can't help in this case. Presidents usually are in a crazy number of categories, especially (as in this case) in a crazy number of award categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241118203800-Liz-20241118203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241118203800-Liz-20241118203100"><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241118203800-Liz-20241118203100"></span></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(48)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119002700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119002700"></span>ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119002700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-130' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119002700-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message">5 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-48 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-48"> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; 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