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href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://earthbound.com/" rel="nofollow">adamsilverstein</a> on <a href="#comment-22608" class="tooltip" title="how about in the new menu and edit menu screens, w…">I thought I’d run one mo…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="Jerry Bates (JerrySa…" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="nofollow"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></a></td><td class="text"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="nofollow">Jerry Bates (JerrySa…</a> on <a href="#comment-22607" class="tooltip" title="Great test, even if the cursor was a bit funky! I …">I thought I’d run one mo…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="lessbloat" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></td><td class="text">lessbloat on <a href="#comment-22606" class="tooltip" title="It appeared to work with the two most recent user …">Two more menus user tests focu…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="lessbloat" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></td><td class="text">lessbloat on <a href="#comment-22605" class="tooltip" title="RE: Main menu - I'd like to try and move that to "…">Here are the results from user…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="lessbloat" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></td><td class="text">lessbloat on <a href="#comment-22604" class="tooltip" title="These are all good thoughts. Let's make sure we ad…">Here are the results from user…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="kristofferR" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.molakki.com/" rel="nofollow"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/fa71373c042cff6fd70365123ca1dd2e?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></a></td><td class="text"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.molakki.com/" rel="nofollow">kristofferR</a> on <a href="#comment-22603" class="tooltip" title="User 7 got confused at task 7, around 3:30, and di…">Here are the results from user…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="Andrea Rennick" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://studiopress.com/" rel="nofollow"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/19370a2484593358d3d903edfbcc2e6a?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></a></td><td class="text"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://studiopress.com/" rel="nofollow">Andrea Rennick</a> on <a href="#comment-22602" class="tooltip" title="Log in definitely, as it is a pain to add it other…">Two more menus user tests focu…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="Jerry Bates (JerrySa…" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="nofollow"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></a></td><td class="text"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="nofollow">Jerry Bates (JerrySa…</a> on <a href="#comment-22601" class="tooltip" title="I notice that User 7 did not correctly set the Cus…">Here are the results from user…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="lessbloat" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></td><td class="text">lessbloat on <a href="#comment-22600" class="tooltip" title="Copy change: Nice. I like it. Widget menus link: N…">Here are the results from user…</a></td></tr><tr><td title="Drew Jaynes (DrewAPi…" class="avatar" style="height: 32px; width: 32px"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.werdswords.com/" rel="nofollow"><img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/95c934fa2c3362794bf62ff8c59ada08?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/></a></td><td class="text"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.werdswords.com/" rel="nofollow">Drew Jaynes (DrewAPi…</a> on <a href="#comment-22599" class="tooltip" title="After watching #7, maybe change it to: Main Menu h…">Here are the results from user…</a></td></tr> </table></li> <li id="meta-3" class="widget widget_meta"><h2 class="widgettitle">Meta</h2> <ul> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php">Log in</a></li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/feed/" title="Syndicate this site using RSS 2.0">Entries <abbr title="Really Simple Syndication">RSS</abbr></a></li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/comments/feed/" title="The latest comments to all posts in RSS">Comments <abbr title="Really Simple Syndication">RSS</abbr></a></li> <li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordpress.org/" title="Powered by WordPress, state-of-the-art semantic personal publishing platform.">WordPress.org</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> <div class="clear"></div> </div>  <div class="sleeve_main"> <div id="main"> <h2> Recent Updates <span class="controls"> <a href="#" id="togglecomments"> Toggle Comment Threads</a> | <a href="#directions" id="directions-keyboard">Keyboard Shortcuts</a> </span> </h2> <ul id="postlist"> <li id="prologue-816" class="post-816 post type-post status-publish format-standard hentry category-uncategorized tag-3-6"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/helen/" title="Posts by Helen Hou-Sandi ( @helen )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/helen/" title="Posts by Helen Hou-Sandi ( @helen )">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-21T22:26:26Z">10:26 pm <em>on</em> January 21, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/21/3-6-core-development-cycle/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F21%2F3-6-core-development-cycle%2F">Log in to leave a Comment</a> </span> <span class="tags"> <br/>Tags: 3.6    </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-816" class="postcontent"> <h2><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/21/3-6-core-development-cycle/">3.6 Core Development Cycle </a></h2><p>If you’re looking to contribute to core UI, you’ll want to keep an eye on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/core/">Make/Core</a>, as we’re shifting our thinking of core UI contributions to being an integral part of various areas of core rather than a separate group/workflow/etc. All of the planned features for 3.6 include UI components and participation in them is highly encouraged. Office hours are either set or being set for each team and will be held in #wordpress-dev, so as always, feel free to join discussions as they’re held, whether in IRC, on the Make/Core P2, Trac, or elsewhere. Regular updates/summaries will be posted on that P2.</p> <p>Also, as you’ve probably noticed, we haven’t been having weekly UI group chats, due to a combination of the end of the 3.5 cycle and a shift in how we’re thinking about this group. For more, see <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/mentions/jenmylo/" class="mention">@jenmylo</a>‘s comment: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22558" rel="nofollow">http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22558</a>. The #wordpress-ui IRC channel is always open, and we can use it for UI-focused discussions if #wordpress-dev is otherwise focused on something, but let’s all get comfortable in #wordpress-dev, too <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> <p>One last thing: this shift in thinking also applies to Trac. Right now there is a “UI” component, which is a bit of a mess and ultimately not a great help for watching for tickets of interest, as UI-related items are just as often found in other components. We’re working on emptying the component out by moving things into more relevant components (Administration is a good fallback if you don’t see another) and, for the time being, adding a manual keyword of “ui-focus”. In moving things, it’s also good to just be reviewing the issue the ticket raises and testing any patches provided, marking as needs-refresh if it doesn’t apply or closing the ticket (or making it with the close keyword) if it’s no longer relevant. There are almost 3500 tickets open right at this moment, which is an unmanageable number that leads to things getting lost. Let’s help get that down while we get Trac organized. Here’s the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/https://core.trac.wordpress.org/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&status=reviewing&component=UI&group=milestone&col=id&col=summary&col=component&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&order=priority">list of tickets in the UI component</a>, and the newer <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&status=reviewing&keywords=~ui-focus&group=milestone&order=priority">list of things tagged ui-focus</a>. If you’re not Trac-minded, don’t worry. If you are, we’d appreciate the help!</p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-816" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> </ul> <div class="respond-wrap" style="display: none; "> <div id="respond"> <h3 id="reply-title">Reply <small><a rel="nofollow" id="cancel-comment-reply-link" href="/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/#respond" style="display:none;">Cancel reply</a></small></h3> <p class="must-log-in">You must be <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F21%2F3-6-core-development-cycle%2F">logged in</a> to post a comment.</p> </div> </div></li> <li id="prologue-817" class="post-817 post type-post status-publish format-status hentry category-uncategorized"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )">lessbloat</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-21T19:44:43Z">7:44 pm <em>on</em> January 21, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/21/i-thought-id-run-one-more-user-through/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F21%2Fi-thought-id-run-one-more-user-through%2F">Log in to leave a Comment</a> </span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-817" class="postcontent"> <p>I thought I’d run one more user through testing our current concept of having both a “manage” screen and a “add/edit” screen for menus. </p> <p>For this test I added a quick little JS hack to visually highlight the “Menus in your theme” meta box when a user clicks there from the “add/edit” screen success message. You’ll see in the video that my implementation is ugly as sin. <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley"/> I just wanted to test the concept with the knowledge that if it worked, we could always improve the design.</p> <p>I also pulled the last step, which asked users to add a custom menu widget. While adding a custom menu widget is somewhat related, we likely won’t be addressing anything in widgets for this release.</p> <p>Here’s the video for <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-9.mp4">user 9</a> (in our series of menus user tests).</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/21/i-thought-id-run-one-more-user-through/#more-817" class="more-link">(More …)</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/08001a0a424aed1382375a446ed690d6?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://earthbound.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">adamsilverstein</a> and <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)</a> are discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-817" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22607" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-21T20:54:43Z">8:54 pm <em>on</em> January 21, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/21/i-thought-id-run-one-more-user-through/#comment-22607" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F21%2Fi-thought-id-run-one-more-user-through%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22607" class="commentcontent"><p>Great test, even if the cursor was a bit funky! I thought the feedback over audio was pretty informative as well.</p> <p>Having not seen all the videos in this series, how common is feedback like “I have no idea what I’m doing here, just following instructions” amongst subjects? This seems like a fundamental stumbling block that prevents users from getting to the right part of the dashboard in the first place.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22608" class="comment byuser comment-author-adamsilverstein odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/08001a0a424aed1382375a446ed690d6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://earthbound.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">adamsilverstein</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-21T22:26:05Z">10:26 pm <em>on</em> January 21, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/21/i-thought-id-run-one-more-user-through/#comment-22608" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> 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<span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-812" class="postcontent"> <p>Here are the results from <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-7.mp4">user 7</a> (in our menus user testing series) & <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-8.mp4">user 8</a> both with the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/attachment/ticket/23119/23119.17.diff">23119.17.diff patch</a> applied.</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#more-812" class="more-link">(More …)</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" 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<div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-812" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22597" class="comment byuser comment-author-jkudish even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/8fac9a834778de5a3b7b26fb28cff956?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/jkudish/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Joey Kudish</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-11T20:20:11Z">8:20 pm <em>on</em> January 11, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22597" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" 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class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22598" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F11%2Fhere-are-the-results-from-user-7-in%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22598" class="commentcontent"><p>User testing is so awesome. Maybe we should get more general with the link in the updated notice. “Manage your site’s menus” or something.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22599" class="comment byuser comment-author-drewapicture even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/95c934fa2c3362794bf62ff8c59ada08?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.werdswords.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-11T20:31:26Z">8:31 pm <em>on</em> January 11, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22599" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F11%2Fhere-are-the-results-from-user-7-in%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22599" class="commentcontent"><p>After watching #7, maybe change it to:</p> <p><strong>Main Menu</strong> has been updated. <a href="#" rel="nofollow">Assign a theme location for this menu</a>, or <a href="#" rel="nofollow">use it in a widget</a>.</p> <p>It also occurs to me maybe we should have a “Manage your widget menus” link somewhere on or around the theme location metabox. Thoughts?</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22600" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-3"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-11T20:35:45Z">8:35 pm <em>on</em> January 11, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22600" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F11%2Fhere-are-the-results-from-user-7-in%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22600" class="commentcontent"><p>Copy change: Nice. I like it.</p> <p>Widget menus link: Not sure, I think I’d have to see it.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22601" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-11T21:22:18Z">9:22 pm <em>on</em> January 11, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22601" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F11%2Fhere-are-the-results-from-user-7-in%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22601" class="commentcontent"><p>I notice that User 7 did not correctly set the Custom Menu Widget to the Sites I Love menu. She left it set to Main Menu, which is filled by default instead… Maybe it would be better to have the Widget show a list with checkboxes (of the available menus) with none of them checked by default? Seems like an easy way to avoid that mistake.</p> <p>Perhaps if the Custom Menu widget was similar to the Categories metabox on the Add Menu screen? I.E. has a list with checkboxes for the menus, plus tabs at top for Recent, View All, and Search. That would add some parity between creating a menu, and configuring the Custom Menu widget.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22604" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-21T16:02:03Z">4:02 pm <em>on</em> January 21, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22604" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F11%2Fhere-are-the-results-from-user-7-in%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22604" class="commentcontent"><p>These are all good thoughts. Let’s make sure we address them when we tackle the widgets page UX.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22603" class="comment byuser comment-author-kristofferr even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/fa71373c042cff6fd70365123ca1dd2e?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.molakki.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">kristofferR</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-15T21:25:44Z">9:25 pm <em>on</em> January 15, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22603" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F11%2Fhere-are-the-results-from-user-7-in%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22603" class="commentcontent"><p>User 7 got confused at task 7, around 3:30, and did not manage to actually set the menu titled “Main menu” as the primary menu of the site. Some part of the issue may simply be because the name of the menu was confusing (“Main” and “Primary” are synonyms after all, no wonder she though the Main menu was the Primary menu), but I also think it was because the “Manage Menus” screen doesn’t provide adequate instructions like the other screens does. </p> <p>While the user previously was guided through the process of creating a menu with clear instructions positioned roughly the same place on the screen (top of main box on the right), after clicking the “replace your sites main navigation” link she was redirected to another page where other elements, mainly the table list of the available menus, are much more noticeable than the action she actually wants to take, which is setting the primary menu. The user shouldn’t have </p> <p>There could be solved in a few different ways.<br/> 1. Add a sentence or two of explaining text in a yellow box<br/> 2. Make the “Menus within your theme” box larger and more noticeable<br/> 3. Grey out the table until a primary menu is set if the user came from clicking the “replace your sites main navigation” link.</p> <p>I think a combination of 1 and 3 would be best. Here’s a really quick mockup of what something like that could look like: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://molakki.com/files/wp-menu-1.png" rel="nofollow">http://molakki.com/files/wp-menu-1.png</a></p> <p>As a side note not really related to the menu UI changes we’re talking about here directly, but still seen in the user testing videos is how confusing the experience of saving widgets are. The user receives no feedback at all that the widget has been saved except for a spinning circle for half a second. It should instead be similar to how the experience is saving new changes in the customizer, like this:<br/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://molakki.com/files/saving-widgets.mp4" rel="nofollow">http://molakki.com/files/saving-widgets.mp4</a></p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22605" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-21T16:04:46Z">4:04 pm <em>on</em> January 21, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/11/here-are-the-results-from-user-7-in/#comment-22605" 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</span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-811" class="postcontent"> <p>Two more menus user tests, focusing on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23119#comment:54">this layout concept</a>: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-5.mp4">User 5</a> (in the series) & <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-6.mp4">User 6</a>.</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#more-811" class="more-link">(More …)</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" 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class="url">Andrea Rennick</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-09T19:54:37Z">7:54 pm <em>on</em> January 9, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22589" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22589" class="commentcontent"><p>Just to add to this… many new users do not realize that their URL is their home page.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22591" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even depth-2"> <img alt="" 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</span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22591" class="commentcontent"><p>Yeah, this is a pain point for many, I’m sure; it’s a pretty non-obvious process to add “Home” to main navigation, and unfortunately one that varies from theme to theme. :-/</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22593" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-10T14:49:33Z">2:49 pm <em>on</em> January 10, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22593" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a 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What if we added a new meta box called “common links” which just had a couple checkbox options:</p> <ul> <li>Home</li> <li>Log in</li> <li>Anything else? RSS?</li> </ul> <p>If we added that, where would we put it? Now that the “Theme Locations” meta box is on another screen, we could probably get away with:</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://f.cl.ly/items/1j1z0r2Y3j1D050K062F/common-links.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/1j1z0r2Y3j1D050K062F/common-links.jpg"/></a></p> <p>What do you think?</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22596" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even depth-3"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-10T22:45:48Z">10:45 pm <em>on</em> January 10, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22596" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22596" class="commentcontent"><p>Just thinking out loud… since so many use WordPress as a CMS, you could argue that a checkbox for “Blog” makes sense. Maybe have it show only if someone has set a Posts page in their Reading settings (so hidden by default) and get the menu link from that setting?</p> <p>IMHO RSS is an edge-case, but it can’t hurt.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22602" class="comment byuser comment-author-andrea_r odd alt depth-3"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/19370a2484593358d3d903edfbcc2e6a?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://studiopress.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Andrea Rennick</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-13T14:59:38Z">2:59 pm <em>on</em> January 13, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22602" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22602" class="commentcontent"><p>Log in definitely, as it is a pain to add it otherwise. (If you want it to be dynamic)</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22588" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-09T19:43:50Z">7:43 pm <em>on</em> January 9, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22588" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22588" class="commentcontent"><p>How about a link in the yellow success message that says something like “would you like to add this menu to your site” or something similar? Seems like a good way to prompt them, and also links them back to where they can make that setting change.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22592" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-10T14:15:50Z">2:15 pm <em>on</em> January 10, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22592" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22592" class="commentcontent"><p>I like that. We’ll test it.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22590" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jerry Bates (JerrySarcastic)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-09T20:18:26Z">8:18 pm <em>on</em> January 9, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22590" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22590" class="commentcontent"><p>Instead of “Label” how about “Display as” or “Display link as” instead? I think that would be easier to grok the “link text” for the typical (non-techical) new user.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22594" class="comment byuser comment-author-raggedrobins odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/3a0805f9cfce7d99874b532a283851a5?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordsforwp.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Siobhan</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-10T14:56:33Z">2:56 pm <em>on</em> January 10, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22594" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F09%2Ftwo-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22594" class="commentcontent"><p>How about “Link Text”? That would be more intuitive. A “label” is usually attached to something else (like a form field, or suitcase, etc)</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22595" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor even depth-3"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-10T15:18:44Z">3:18 pm <em>on</em> January 10, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/09/two-more-menus-user-tests-focusing-on-this/#comment-22595" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" 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<span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-809" class="postcontent"> <p>Last Tuesday <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/01/i-ran-two-users-through-a-set-of/">we tested two users</a> on some menus scenarios.</p> <p>On friday I posted a <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23119">couple hypotheses and patches</a> for potential improvements.</p> <p>This morning, I tested two additional users with these patches applied: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-3.mp4">User 3</a> (in the series) & <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-4.mp4">User 4</a>.</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/07/last-tuesday-we-tested-two-users-on-some/#more-809" class="more-link">(More …)</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" 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id="commentcontent-22584" class="commentcontent"><p>I’ve been following your menu testing recently and find the issue of indicating iterative saves of the menu. The fade-out notification does work, but I also wonder if it’ll run into some similar problems of people not remembering if/when they last saved.</p> <p>This may be a bust of a suggestion, but I thought I’d at least mention it. What if menu items that have changed state (new position, new label, etc.) since last save are marked in some way (maybe a light blue shade or some kind of icon) that then goes away when the menu is saved.</p> <p>Another idea that’s not specific to saving menus is whether timestamping the save notifications might be useful. It could get cluttered, but it would answer the question of “when did I last save” quite literally.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22585" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-08T01:25:02Z">1:25 am <em>on</em> January 8, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/07/last-tuesday-we-tested-two-users-on-some/#comment-22585" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F07%2Flast-tuesday-we-tested-two-users-on-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22585" class="commentcontent"><p>I was actually thinking about fading in (not out). That way we don’t have to mess with timing for the fade out (longer messages needing longer times, etc…). I think with the fade in, they’ll at least see the yellow message bar visually change (if just briefly).</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="prologue-806" class="post-806 post type-post status-publish format-status hentry category-uncategorized"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )">lessbloat</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-02T20:13:30Z">8:13 pm <em>on</em> January 2, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to leave a Comment</a> </span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-806" class="postcontent"> <p>This morning I ran 2 users through some “widget” scenarios.</p> <p>Here are the videos: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC6-1.mp4">User 1</a> & <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC6-2.mp4">User 2</a>.</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#more-806" class="more-link">(More …)</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/94342688a50851cbd0e95f91986e973e?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~cdogaru/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">C?t?lin Dogaru</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/08001a0a424aed1382375a446ed690d6?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://earthbound.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">adamsilverstein</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/eed0e8d62f562daf038f182de7f1fd42?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://designsimply.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Sheri Bigelow</a>, and 3 others are discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-806" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22576" class="comment byuser comment-author-jacopovip even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/b2e1116b813a49b75b17dbfd4183a531?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://jacopotarantino.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jack Tarantino</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-03T04:20:47Z">4:20 am <em>on</em> January 3, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22576" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22576" class="commentcontent"><p>Ooh! A message that widgets were saved would be really helpful! I generally have fast hosting and a fast connection. Sometimes I don’t even notice the spinner come up at all when something saves. Should I open a Trac ticket for this?</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22577" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-03T04:40:10Z">4:40 am <em>on</em> January 3, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22577" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22577" class="commentcontent"><p>If there is not already one, sure! Thanks.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22578" class="comment byuser comment-author-travisnorthcutt even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/69e090710d2a4303aeb8151a5c1f90d7?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/travisnorthcutt/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Travis Northcutt</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-03T18:08:08Z">6:08 pm <em>on</em> January 3, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22578" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22578" class="commentcontent"><p>What software was used for these videos?</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22579" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-03T18:47:13Z">6:47 pm <em>on</em> January 3, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22579" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22579" class="commentcontent"><p>usertesting.com</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22581" class="comment byuser comment-author-designsimply even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/eed0e8d62f562daf038f182de7f1fd42?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://designsimply.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Sheri Bigelow</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-04T16:48:09Z">4:48 pm <em>on</em> January 4, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22581" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22581" class="commentcontent"><blockquote><p>What else (related to widgets) can I add if I retest these scenarios in the future?</p></blockquote> <p>I’ve observed users having trouble with widgets when they’ve added ALOT of them (probably too many). Perhaps test adding/deleting/editing/rearranging widgets when there are a bunch of them on the page.</p> <p>I’ve heard that accessibility is an issue when it comes to widgets. Test with visually impaired users if you can.</p> <blockquote><p>The “First Front Page Widget Area” and the “Second Front Page Widget Area” sections only work when a static front page is set. Should they just be hidden until the user sets a static front page?</p></blockquote> <p>I would vote yes to either hiding them or making them visible-but-inactive with a note explaining why (if that’s possible?).</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22582" class="comment byuser comment-author-adamsilverstein odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/08001a0a424aed1382375a446ed690d6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://earthbound.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">adamsilverstein</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-04T21:53:08Z">9:53 pm <em>on</em> January 4, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22582" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22582" class="commentcontent"><p>i wrote a possible patch for not seeing the spinner on a fast host (or locally) in <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23120" rel="nofollow">http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23120</a>, wondering if any other buttons need similar treatment.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22586" class="comment byuser comment-author-cdog even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/94342688a50851cbd0e95f91986e973e?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~cdogaru/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">C?t?lin Dogaru</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-09T14:46:18Z">2:46 pm <em>on</em> January 9, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/02/this-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some/#comment-22586" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F02%2Fthis-morning-i-ran-2-users-through-some%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22586" class="commentcontent"><blockquote><p> What else (related to widgets) can I add if I retest these scenarios in the future? </p></blockquote> <p>Please take a look at: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/19159" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/19159">#19159</a>. It may be useful.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="prologue-804" class="post-804 post type-post status-publish format-status hentry category-uncategorized"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )">lessbloat</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-01T21:54:18Z">9:54 pm <em>on</em> January 1, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/01/i-ran-two-users-through-a-set-of/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F01%2Fi-ran-two-users-through-a-set-of%2F">Log in to leave a Comment</a> </span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-804" class="postcontent"> <p>I ran two users through a set of “menus” scenarios this morning.</p> <p>Check them out if you’d like: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-1.mp4">User 1</a> & <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC5-2.mp4">User 2</a>.</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/01/i-ran-two-users-through-a-set-of/#more-804" class="more-link">(More …)</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://helen.wordpress.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> is discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-804" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22574" class="comment byuser comment-author-helen even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://helen.wordpress.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-01T22:02:25Z">10:02 pm <em>on</em> January 1, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2013/01/01/i-ran-two-users-through-a-set-of/#comment-22574" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2013%2F01%2F01%2Fi-ran-two-users-through-a-set-of%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22574" class="commentcontent"><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23055">#23055</a> for the mystery 0 bug <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> <p>Menu location previewing is possible via the customizer – wonder if there’s a way to put all that together. The confusion and fact that menus can be used in other places makes me wonder if the menu+item management screen is even the right place for menu assignment, but without a better idea, I hesitate to even say that.</p> <p>I recall a desire for dismissable admin notices a few releases ago, but not sure if there was ever a ticket about it. Maybe worth revisiting as a whole.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="prologue-799" class="post-799 post type-post status-publish format-status hentry category-uncategorized"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/lessbloat/" title="Posts by lessbloat ( @lessbloat )">lessbloat</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T16:48:24Z">4:48 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/i-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> </span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-799" class="postcontent"> <p>I put another user through the media scenarios this morning. This time I asked that they adjust alignment and size.</p> <p>You can <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wpusertesting.com/videos/DC3-8.mp4">download the video here</a>.</p> <p>My observations:</p> <p><strong>Step 1: Login</strong></p> <p>No problems.</p> <p><strong>Step 2: Publish already uploaded image</strong></p> <p>No problems.</p> <p><strong>Step 3: Preview post</strong></p> <p>No problems.</p> <p><strong>Step 4: Publish 2 images to a single post</strong></p> <p>4:00 – Even though the 2 images she added were not set to align right, they appeared to be aligned right when inserted into the post. Is this a side affect of the user aligning the first image right in Step 2?</p> <p><strong>Step 5: Download additional images</strong></p> <p>No problems.</p> <p><strong>Step 6: Upload new images & publish gallery</strong></p> <p>7:40 – User gets confused that she doesn’t see the gallery images she just added, and says, “What just happened here?”.<br/> 7:50 – User tries to click back button to get back to media modal (cancels it). User is looking for a way to get back to the gallery settings page.<br/> 8:05 – “What just happened here? I’m not even sure if I added them to the gallery or not. I’m confused…”.<br/> 8:50 – She gets frustrated and decides to start over with this step.<br/> 10:38 – She decides to add the images with “Insert into post”, instead of using “Create a new gallery”. She thinks this (the media library) is her gallery.<br/> 12:17 – One of the descriptions that she entered did not show up in the editor.</p> <p><strong>Summary</strong></p> <ul> <li>She did great, until she got to the gallery step. There appears to be a general confusion around how adding images to a gallery is different from just selecting images and adding them to the editor. The generic gallery div that shows up in the editor after you add a gallery to the post seems very confusing for users.</li> <li>Once you set one of the images to align right, each subsequent image you add is aligned right when inserted into the editor (even though you don’t specifically set the new image to align right).</li> <li>The generic gallery div (with the camera icon in it) appears to be confusing users. We should definitely add a description to that div – something like “Your gallery images will be displayed here”. I think we should also display the “edit gallery” button in that div at all times (not just on click). The user was searching around for a way to edit the gallery she just added, but gave up after a while and decided to start all over instead. <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":-(" class="wp-smiley"/> </li> <li>One of the captions she entered didn’t make it to the editor.</li> </ul> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/71cce4b88010a61658c3ad21f29eee08?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://webcultured.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Bart Dabek (WebCultured.com)</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/helenyhou/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a>, and <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">JerrySarcastic</a> are discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-799" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22563" class="comment byuser comment-author-jerrysarcastic even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/5fb183ebd78788e2fc89e7d5e1e64bc6?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://twitter.com/#!/JerrySarcastic" rel="external nofollow" class="url">JerrySarcastic</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T19:06:08Z">7:06 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/i-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios/#comment-22563" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fi-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22563" class="commentcontent"><p>Kinda tough to watch her flail as soon as she sees the generic gallery div; I agree that it is not very helpful for new users. How about a div that shows the actual gallery thumbs (ghosted out) so a visual indicator that the gallery has been added correctly is present.</p> <p><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://jerrysarcastic.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/gallery-mock-sm.jpg"/></p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22565" class="comment byuser comment-author-helen odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/helenyhou/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-17T01:40:57Z">1:40 am <em>on</em> November 17, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/i-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios/#comment-22565" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fi-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22565" class="commentcontent"><p>There were TinyMCE views that enabled this kind of display and were doing it for galleries, but they had to be backed out due to issues caused too late in the release.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22571" class="comment byuser comment-author-raptor235 even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/71cce4b88010a61658c3ad21f29eee08?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://webcultured.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Bart Dabek (WebCultured.com)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-23T14:11:04Z">2:11 pm <em>on</em> November 23, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/i-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios/#comment-22571" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fi-put-another-user-through-the-media-scenarios%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22571" class="commentcontent"><p>Hi Dave, what’s the workflow for inserting custom sized images with random order? You guys omitted those parameters from the current UI?</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="prologue-797" class="post-797 post type-post status-publish format-standard hentry category-uncategorized"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/helen/" title="Posts by Helen Hou-Sandi ( @helen )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/helen/" title="Posts by Helen Hou-Sandi ( @helen )">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T00:21:31Z">12:21 am <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> </span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-797" class="postcontent"> <h2><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/">Coming soon: Weekly updates </a></h2><p>Part of the duties of a team rep for each area of contributors is to be responsible for a weekly update on the group. At this moment, there is not an established UI team rep, but as a core development team representative, I’m happy to step in until new elections are done sometime in the near-ish future.</p> <p>Part of our UI group discussion at the Community Summit was about how we can make these weekly updates both informational and effective, especially when it comes to attracting and retaining contributors. Here’s what we’re thinking:</p> <ul> <li>A breakdown of what we did this week, such as discussions held (with links to IRC as applicable), patches uploaded/worked on, and what’s changed in core in a more prose-y manner.</li> <li>Links to ideas from the community at large, which would likely be blog posts on other sites, including your own. Discussion would be encouraged over on those posts rather than here – the creator should be able to really take ownership and pride in their idea and be centrally involved in the discussion. The idea is to both expose some of the great ideas that are happening and open up a platform for idea generation that isn’t “from the top” or carrying the official weight that gets associated with a post on the Make P2s, which are largely status-driven rather than hypothetical.</li> <li>Weekly IRC chat summary with anything not covered above.</li> <li>What needs to get done this week, including any assignments that have been made and ones that need volunteers. We’re thinking this will be a great step toward exposing more ways to get involved in case you’re still figuring things out.</li> </ul> <p>Thoughts? Love it, hate it?</p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/eed0e8d62f562daf038f182de7f1fd42?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://designsimply.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Sheri Bigelow</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/0231c6b98cf90defe76bdad0c3c66acf?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.chexee.me/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Chelsea Otakan</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/0b59d8f1c9c189ad2f3b3e25746aee1a?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://amyhendrix.net/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Amy Hendrix (sabreuse)</a>, and 10 others are discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-797" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22554" class="comment byuser comment-author-karmatosed even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36d2c1821af9249b69ff7f5ed60529b?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.logicalbinary.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">karmatosed</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T10:11:29Z">10:11 am <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22554" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22554" class="commentcontent"><p>I really like this idea be great to keep up with things. The last point will help greatly in finding ways in for me and others also so that’s really cool. Not everyone can every time get to the IRC meeting so it’s a great way to keep up to date and involved.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22556" class="comment byuser comment-author-mcgaritydotme odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/071438b18df87e84d964f6923085a331?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/mcgaritydotme/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">McGarityDotMe</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T11:59:45Z">11:59 am <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22556" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22556" class="commentcontent"><p>All of this helps me out, as I’m trying to get my feet wet and understand more about sub-groups like this I’m interested in participating with. The IRC chats have been where I’ve started, but that’s often like jumping into the deep end of a pool after a swim lesson. <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> I especially like the last bullet point, as it’s not immediately clear to this n00b what’s in flight, what’s about to start, etc.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22557" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T12:19:32Z">12:19 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22557" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22557" class="commentcontent"><p>Yep. +1 to all of it. <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22558" class="comment byuser comment-author-jenmylo odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/84987b436214f52ec0b04cd1f8a73c3c?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/jane/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jane Wells</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T13:56:55Z">1:56 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22558" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22558" class="commentcontent"><p>I was going to post this proposal to the team reps blog, and will, but since you posted this, I’ll pre-empt myself and post my thoughts here as well.</p> <p>I’ve been thinking more about this since our team reps discussion at the summit, and I’m still thinking we should re-jigger the UI group. When we talk about core UI, it really seems like that discussion should be happening as a part of the core project, rather than sidelined as a separate group. When I started the UI group, it was because we weren’t a project that really had design contributors yet, and I wanted to change that, but it would have been disruptive to try to get that started on wpdevel (as it was called then). Now that it’s make/core, and now that there are a number of designers (members of this group) participating actively in core, I think it’s time for a change to recognize that core UI is not a separate project, it is an integral part of core.</p> <p>At the same time, there are design needs across the WordPress project, like for events, documentation, site improvements, etc. Just as developing a system of team reps was intended to put other contributions on a level with core, I believe it’s time to rethink the UI group altogether.</p> <p>What I’d like to see is the stuff going on as “the UI group” currently to be treated as a regular core component (with component owner, if that’s still the plan post-summit) rather than an entirely separate group. I’m thinking the same thing about Accessibility. If something isn’t a separate, sovereign group that gets to make decisions (in this case, UI decisions still are ultimately made by the core team/release leads, not by a standalone UI group), then it should be an active part of the main group. In other words, I think it’s time for UI contributors to level up to the main core team. Updates about what is happening with core UI would be part of the regular core team updates. </p> <p>Then, we’d create a Design Corps of all the designers (graphic, interaction, web, print, you name it) that would be contributing to the project <strong>as a whole</strong>, rather than just core, and to all design needs, not just UI. Each of the contributor groups would have its own embedded contributing designers (like the core ui contributors), while the design corp *group* would be a place to share resources, discuss design problems across teams, and for team reps to post requests for design assistance when needed. This would solve several problems (other groups don’t have design resources, and they see the UI group as limited to CSS or usability).</p> <p>I will admit that this is basically a ripoff of how Automattic handles design (just as our new contributor group blogs and team reps are a ripoff of Automattic’s team updates system). The Automattic design group system has been in play for three and a half years now, and I think it works really well. It allows designers to be integral members of project teams, while also being part of a broader design group. </p> <p>Anyway, I’ll be proposing this to the team reps for consideration, but would like you guys to be thinking about it, too. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/mentions/lessbloat/" class="mention">@lessbloat</a> and <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/mentions/chexee/" class="mention">@chexee</a>, as UI Group members who have experienced the Automattic model first-hand may be the best able to comment on whether it is a good model.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22559" class="comment byuser comment-author-helen bypostauthor even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/helenyhou/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T14:40:47Z">2:40 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22559" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22559" class="commentcontent"><p>+100000000000 to the overall direction of this group within the project as a whole. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/support/2012/11/handbooks-teams-and-templates/" rel="nofollow">Siobhan’s post about handbooks earlier</a> is in a similar vein – UI isn’t a separate handbook, but a component of each contributing area’s handbook. I also think it would be really helpful to promote areas beyond the core web application for folks to actively contribute to – it’s definitely different than ideas for, say, a website. I see plugin developers especially liking having a way to join forces with UI/UX-minded types <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> <p>P.S. Hey everybody, do get involved in the handbooks if you’re able and willing!</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22566" class="comment byuser comment-author-raggedrobins odd alt depth-3"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/3a0805f9cfce7d99874b532a283851a5?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordsforwp.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Siobhan</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-17T18:47:13Z">6:47 pm <em>on</em> November 17, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22566" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22566" class="commentcontent"><p>Yes! Handbooks are cool and awesome and people should get involved!</p> <p>Also, I think a design corps group is an excellent idea. I have been thinking that we’ll need design people to help out with making the handbooks look beautiful and I had no idea where to look. This would solve the problem for me <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22561" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T17:17:33Z">5:17 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22561" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22561" class="commentcontent"><p>Love it. I think that’s a great idea.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22564" class="comment byuser comment-author-melchoyce odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/2dc245d4cf9e5579dfb0e13e7dcb75db?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://choycedesign.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Mel Choyce</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T20:06:45Z">8:06 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22564" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22564" class="commentcontent"><p>This sounds like a great way to create more opportunities for designers to get involved. Awesome idea!</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22567" class="comment byuser comment-author-studionashvegas even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/a1c66fbdd2b627d1647ecc112368ba87?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.studionashvegas.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">studionashvegas</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-17T23:13:59Z">11:13 pm <em>on</em> November 17, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22567" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22567" class="commentcontent"><p>Multidisciplinary groups like what you’re suggesting are very common in the agency setting, and (from what I’ve experienced) seem to work very well, as all of the parts know what’s going on (which leads to a more cohesive experience).</p> <p>+1</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22568" class="comment byuser comment-author-karmatosed odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36d2c1821af9249b69ff7f5ed60529b?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.logicalbinary.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">karmatosed</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-17T23:53:11Z">11:53 pm <em>on</em> November 17, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22568" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22568" class="commentcontent"><p>Sounds like a great idea and gives lots of scope for getting involved which is really cool.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22569" class="comment byuser comment-author-sabreuse even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/0b59d8f1c9c189ad2f3b3e25746aee1a?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://amyhendrix.net/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Amy Hendrix (sabreuse)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-18T14:26:41Z">2:26 pm <em>on</em> November 18, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22569" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22569" class="commentcontent"><p>Yay! Destroy the silos!</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22570" class="comment byuser comment-author-chexee odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/0231c6b98cf90defe76bdad0c3c66acf?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.chexee.me/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Chelsea Otakan</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-18T22:12:55Z">10:12 pm <em>on</em> November 18, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22570" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22570" class="commentcontent"><p>The Design Corps within Automattic work pretty well, IMO. We are a tight group and do our best to communicate well with each other.</p> <p>I really like the concept of spreading out the UI group to include design across the WP community. A lot of designers want to pitch in, but their skills might not be the best fit for core, but there’s currently no formal way to pitch in anywhere else.</p> <p>In short: Jane said all the things already <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> Sounds great to me! Weekly check in post for each group would be helpful.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22572" class="comment byuser comment-author-designsimply even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/eed0e8d62f562daf038f182de7f1fd42?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://designsimply.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Sheri Bigelow</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-27T16:39:11Z">4:39 pm <em>on</em> November 27, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22572" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22572" class="commentcontent"><p>+1 I like the proposal. Seems to me developers would be more likely to reach out to a multifaceted design group vs. the current setup which is pretty intensely focused on Core UI.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-22560" class="comment byuser comment-author-acsearles odd alt thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/e2b3d4b90ac2ae4e7d5ca13e8ea04f19?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.andysearles.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">acsearles</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T16:35:40Z">4:35 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22560" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22560" class="commentcontent"><p>I’ve sat on the sidelines for a long time, wanting to get more involved but not knowing where to get my feet wet. I’ve been following along, reading what I can and trying to stay up-to-date on the happenings of this group. So, I think this could help more people have an easier entry point into contributing. So I can continue to keep watching and when I see some low hanging fruit I’ll be able to pick a few things off. Eventually, as I get more of a grasp about what’s going on, I’ll be able to contribute in a more substantial way.</p> <p>Jane, I also really like the idea of designers becoming apart of other groups that are working on other projects. I know that in my line of work I do best when working on a team of people with different skill sets, then coming back to the group of designers to share ideas and critique. </p> <p>Sounds like so many good things came out of the summit. I’ll be excited to get started. And hopefully we can see everyone in Birmingham at our next WordCamp. Which reminds me, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/mentions/saracannon/" class="mention">@saracannon</a>, we need to get that started really really soon.</p> <p>a</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-22562" class="comment byuser comment-author-rdall even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/9d8c123b2435a504cb10d3380e461b57?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://robertdall.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">RDall</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T17:44:44Z">5:44 pm <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/16/coming-soon-weekly-updates/#comment-22562" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F16%2Fcoming-soon-weekly-updates%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22562" class="commentcontent"><p>I really like where this is going… I also agree with what Jane said as well… The UI group should be more then just the core dev… As I have struggled to find a place that I can contribute too that both use my strengths and fits WordPress needs as well…</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="prologue-796" class="post-796 post type-post status-publish format-status hentry category-uncategorized"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/helen/" title="Posts by Helen Hou-Sandi ( @helen )" class="post-avatar"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=48&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D48&r=G" class="avatar avatar-48 photo" height="48" width="48"/> </a> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/author/helen/" title="Posts by Helen Hou-Sandi ( @helen )">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-15T14:56:23Z">2:56 pm <em>on</em> November 15, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/15/a-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on/" class="thepermalink" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> </span> <span class="tags">   </span> </span> </h4> <div id="content-796" class="postcontent"> <p>A summary of the Community Summit discussion on the UI group has been published. Thanks to <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/mentions/sabreuse/" class="mention">@sabreuse</a> for her wonderful note-taking! Feel free to discuss the notes, and do hold us accountable for our action item. Weekly summaries will also begin very soon.</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/summit/2012/11/06/core-ui-team-discussion/" rel="nofollow">http://make.wordpress.org/summit/2012/11/06/core-ui-team-discussion/</a></p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36d2c1821af9249b69ff7f5ed60529b?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.logicalbinary.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">karmatosed</a> and <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/helenyhou/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> are discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-796" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-22549" class="comment byuser comment-author-karmatosed even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36d2c1821af9249b69ff7f5ed60529b?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.logicalbinary.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">karmatosed</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-15T15:03:19Z">3:03 pm <em>on</em> November 15, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/15/a-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on/#comment-22549" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F15%2Fa-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22549" class="commentcontent"><p>That all sounds really cool. I will openly admit I really want to contribute to the UI team but had a hard time finding a way to and was a little daunted. I have contributed in other areas but found the UI team a bit harder to find a way in with. Having projects that can bring those of us new to the team into things would be great. I look forward to hopefully finding a way to get involved.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22550" class="comment byuser comment-author-helen bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/helenyhou/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-15T15:06:06Z">3:06 pm <em>on</em> November 15, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/15/a-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on/#comment-22550" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F15%2Fa-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22550" class="commentcontent"><p>Do you mind describing what you’ve tried or thought about trying so far? Just for data/things to think about as we constantly evaluate what we do.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22551" class="comment byuser comment-author-karmatosed even depth-3"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36d2c1821af9249b69ff7f5ed60529b?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.logicalbinary.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">karmatosed</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-15T16:27:46Z">4:27 pm <em>on</em> November 15, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/15/a-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on/#comment-22551" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F15%2Fa-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22551" class="commentcontent"><p>Sure, my first starting point was watching the blog and getting to know the blog posts. I found the discussion very lively which was really cool. I then started attending the dev chats and tried to get involved in the dashboard but every time I did something seemed to have been agreed outside of the chats or was already assigned as a task so it was hard to find a way in to contribute. I was made very welcome I’d like to make that clear and nothing I’m saying is against anyone, I just got lost from the welcome to the doing <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> <p>I have in a few cases responded to things in discussion threads though, so I have tried through that but would love to do a bit more than just comment.</p> <p>I do front end code and design so was open to either as a contribution. It totally may have been the time I tried to join in and that everything was already allocated by then, however it seemed that an extra hand wasn’t needed and everything was already tasked up.</p> <p>I am involved in the BuddyPress side of things and have a past in Open Source so aware of the ‘get stuck in’ nature of contributing and love it. I’m not usually a wall flower over things so found it odd how hard it felt trying to start. </p> <p>I really don’t mean that comment against anyone as know nothing is perfect and it’s as much down to me as it is anyone when contributing comes in. It was just hard to find a place to ‘get stuck in’ that wasn’t already occupied.</p> <p>I’d love to work out a way to get involved though as feel whilst I do give to a side project (BuddyPress), I want to give back to the core project also. Maybe some clear areas / teams would help those of us circling around wanting to get involved but not seeing a way in beyond commenting? I know it’s never an easy solution and grateful that it’s being reviewed so hopefully more people (myself included) can step up to get involved.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22552" class="comment byuser comment-author-helen bypostauthor odd alt depth-4"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/6506162ada6b700b151ad8a187f65842?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/helenyhou/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Helen Hou-Sandi</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-15T23:57:19Z">11:57 pm <em>on</em> November 15, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/15/a-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on/#comment-22552" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fui%2F2012%2F11%2F15%2Fa-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22552" class="commentcontent"><p>Thanks for responding <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"/> On the UI front, I’ll keep an eye out for you in UI chats (and make sure to pipe up, especially at the roll call part – we’re trying to get better about that so we know who’s around). Right now we tend to get bogged down in what’s needed specifically for the release as we approach RC and release stages, but even just getting used to regulars is helpful.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-22553" class="comment byuser comment-author-karmatosed even depth-5"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d36d2c1821af9249b69ff7f5ed60529b?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://www.logicalbinary.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">karmatosed</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2012-11-16T10:09:54Z">10:09 am <em>on</em> November 16, 2012</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/2012/11/15/a-summary-of-the-community-summit-discussion-on/#comment-22553" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-22553" class="commentcontent"><p>Thank you and yes mid cycle is totally understandable of being a hectic time.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <div class="navigation"> <p class="nav-older"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://make.wordpress.org/ui/page/2/">← Older posts</a></p> <p class="nav-newer"></p> </div> </div>  </div>  <div class="clear"></div> </div>  <div id="notify"></div> <div id="help"> <dl class="directions"> <dt>c</dt><dd>compose new post</dd> <dt>j</dt><dd>next post/next comment</dd> <dt>k</dt> <dd>previous post/previous comment</dd> <dt>r</dt> <dd>reply</dd> <dt>e</dt> <dd>edit</dd> <dt>o</dt> <dd>show/hide comments</dd> <dt>t</dt> <dd>go to top</dd> <dt>l</dt> <dd>go to login</dd> <dt>h</dt> <dd>show/hide help</dd> <dt>shift + esc</dt> <dd>cancel</dd> </dl> </div> <div id="footer"> <div class="wrapper"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordpress.org/about/privacy/">Privacy</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordpress.org/about/license/">License / GPLv2</a>     See also: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordpress.com/?ref=wporg-footer" title="Hassle-free WP hosting">Hosted WordPress.com</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://wordpress.tv/" title="Videos, tutorials, WordCamps">WordPress.TV Videos</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://central.wordcamp.org/" title="Find a WordPress event near your home">WordCamp Events</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://buddypress.org/" title="A set of plugins to transform your WordPress into a social network">BuddyPress Social Layer</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://bbpress.org/" title="Fast, slick forums built on WordPress">bbPress Forums</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://jobs.wordpress.net/" title="Find or post WordPress jobs">WP Jobs</a> | <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840/http://ma.tt/" title="Co-founder of WordPress, an example of what WordPress can do">Matt</a> </p> <br/> <iframe src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126200840if_/http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?app_id=121415197926116&href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fwordpress&send=false&layout=button_count&width=150&show_faces=false&action=like&colorscheme=light&font=lucida+grande&height=21" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="border:none; 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