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style="padding: 0 0.375em;"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:BLPN"></span><span id="WP:BLP/N"></span><span id="WP:BLPNB"></span><span id="WP:BLP/NB"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BLPN&redirect=no">WP:BLPN</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BLP/N&redirect=no">WP:BLP/N</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BLPNB&redirect=no">WP:BLPNB</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BLP/NB&redirect=no">WP:BLP/NB</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <p>This noticeboard is for discussing the application of the biographies of living people (BLP) policy to article content. Please seek to resolve issues on the article talk page first, and only post here if that discussion requires additional input. </p><p><span style="color: red;">Do not copy and paste <a href="/wiki/Defamatory" class="mw-redirect" title="Defamatory">defamatory</a> material here; instead, link to a <a href="/wiki/Help:Diff" title="Help:Diff">diff</a> showing the problem</span>. </p> <hr/> <table class="wikitable" style="float: right; vertical-align: top;"> <tbody><tr> <td width="300" style="text-align: center;"><b>Search this noticeboard & <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/archive_toc" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/archive toc">archives</a></b><br/> <small><i>Sections older than 7 days are <a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archived</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a>.</i></small> </td></tr> <tr> <td><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="40" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/" name="prefix"/><br/><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Additional notes:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPEDIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPEDIT">Edits by the subject of an article</a> may be welcome in some cases.</li> <li>For general content disputes regarding biographical articles, try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies</a> instead.</li> <li>Editors are encouraged to assist editors regarding the reports below. Administrators may impose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">contentious topic restrictions</a> to enforce policies.</li></ul> <div class="navbox-styles"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236075235"></div><div role="navigation" class="navbox" aria-labelledby="Notes_for_volunteers" style="border:2px ridge #CAE1FF;;padding:3px"><table class="nowraplinks mw-collapsible mw-collapsed navbox-inner" style="border-spacing:0;background:transparent;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><th scope="col" class="navbox-title" colspan="2" style="background-color:#AAD1FF; font-size:115%;"><div id="Notes_for_volunteers" style="font-size:114%;margin:0 4em">Notes for volunteers</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="navbox-list navbox-odd vlist plainlinks" style="width:100%;padding:0;text-align: left; font-size:115%;"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <dl><dt>How do I mark an incident as resolved or addressed?</dt> <dd>You can use <code>{{Resolved|Your reason here ~~~~}}</code> at the top of the section containing the report. At least leave a comment about a BLP report, if doing so might spare other editors the task of needlessly repeating some of what you have done.</dd> <dt>More ways to help</dt></dl> <ul><li>Categorize: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPPOTENTIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPPOTENTIAL">Potential BLPs</a></li> <li>Monitor recent changes to BLPs: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&namespace=0&target=Category%3ALiving+people&tagfilter=">BLP watchlist</a> <small>(may be long to load)</small></li> <li>Remove BLP violations: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Biographies_of_living_persons_containing_unsourced_statements" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Biographies of living persons containing unsourced statements">Unsourced statements</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs" title="Category:All unreferenced BLPs">All unreferenced BLPs</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Recently-created_unreferenced_biographies_of_living_people" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Recently-created unreferenced biographies of living people">recently created</a>), <a href="/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:BLP articles lacking sources">BLPs lacking sources</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPFIX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPFIX">Negative unsourced content</a><br/><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=possible+libel+or+vandalism">Possible vandalism or libelous edits</a> (as detected by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABFIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABFIL">edit filters</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/39" title="Special:AbuseFilter/39">39</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/339" title="Special:AbuseFilter/339">339</a> and <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/189" title="Special:AbuseFilter/189">189</a>), <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=removal+of+Category%3ALiving+People">Removal of Category:Living people</a> (filter <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/117" title="Special:AbuseFilter/117">117</a>)</li> <li>Check if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Living_people_on_EN_wiki_who_are_dead_on_other_wikis" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis">these people could in fact be dead</a>, or if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Living_people" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Living people">articles about them were removed</a></li> <li>Manually search BLPs for violations by using advanced search parameters. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=X+incategory%3A+Living_people&title=Special%3ASearch">This link</a> will search for X in the category of BLPs. Change X in the URL to the keyword you are looking for; alternatively, type <code>X incategory: Living_people</code> (the underscore is necessary) in the search bar.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RPP">Request article protection</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RRN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RRN">report edit-warring users</a> or report a specific user (in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">contentious topics recognized by ArbCom</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">elsewhere</a>).</li></ul> <dl><dt>Today's random unreferenced BLP</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Lauren_Parkes" title="Lauren Parkes">Lauren Parkes</a> (random unreferenced <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">BLP</a> of the day for 27 Nov 2024 - <small> provided by <a href="/wiki/User:AnomieBOT/RandomPage" 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Date_redirects_to_portals?" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)">Are portals encyclopedic; and appropriate redirect targets?</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrator_recall#RfC:_Should_we_add_text_prescribing_just_signatures,_no_discussion?" title="Wikipedia talk:Administrator recall">Should recall petitions be limited to signatures only?</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Shorten_recall_petition_period" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Shorten recall petition period">The length of recall petitions</a></li></ul> </div> </div> </div> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lucas_Kunce" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lucas_Kunce"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lucas_Kunce"></span><a href="/wiki/Lucas_Kunce" title="Lucas Kunce">Lucas Kunce</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lucas_Kunce"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Lucas Kunce"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Repeated attempts to edit the article to overemphasize and sensationalize a recent shooting incident, violating WP:BALANCE and WP:WEIGHT. While the incident is appropriately covered in its own section with reliable sources, editors keep trying to characterize Kunce as being "best known" for this single event, which appears to be harassment through repeated undue emphasis of negative content. Request review and possible protection if problematic editing continues.<small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Aerophilian" title="User:Aerophilian">Aerophilian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aerophilian#top" title="User talk:Aerophilian">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aerophilian" title="Special:Contributions/Aerophilian">contribs</a>) 15:28, October 27, 2024 (UTC)</small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Donald_Trump_and_fascism"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism"-20241117035500"><span id=".22Donald_Trump_and_fascism.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism"-20241117035500"></span>"<a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_fascism" title="Donald Trump and fascism">Donald Trump and fascism</a>"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism"-20241117035500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: "Donald Trump and fascism""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skullers-20241117035500-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism""></span>"are like peas and carrots"<br/> "are like bread and butter"<br/> "are like blackjack and hookers" </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Attack_page" title="Wikipedia:Attack page">Attack page</a> on a BLP subject, title is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVTITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOVTITLE">WP:NPOVTITLE</a><br/> </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=CSD_G10&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="CSD G10 (page does not exist)">CSD G10</a> may apply. Formerly titled <a href="/wiki/Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism" class="mw-redirect" title="Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism">Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism</a>, moved <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&oldid=1255846360">on November 6</a></span><br/> </p><p>Egregious attack page, AT BEST merged into <a href="/wiki/Public_image_of_Donald_Trump#Political_image" title="Public image of Donald Trump">Public_image_of_Donald_Trump#Political_image</a> and redirected. </p><p>Relevant policies: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G10" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G10">WP:G10</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVTITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOVTITLE">WP:NPOVTITLE</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATTACK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATTACK">WP:ATTACK</a></li></ul> <p>Compare and contrast:<br/> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_handshakes" title="Donald Trump and handshakes">Donald Trump and handshakes</a><br/></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_golf" title="Donald Trump and golf">Donald Trump and golf</a><br/></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_American_football" title="Donald Trump and American football">Donald Trump and American football</a><br/></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Skullers" title="User:Skullers">Skullers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skullers" title="User talk:Skullers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Skullers-20241117035500-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skullers-20241117035500-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skullers-20241117035500-"Donald_Trump_and_fascism""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GeogSage-20241117041300-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>I can agree with possibly moving it to the public image page, as there are a lot of different criticisms beyond just comparisons to fascism. I think <a href="/wiki/Criticism_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt" title="Criticism of Franklin D. Roosevelt">Criticism of Franklin D. Roosevelt</a> could be a good model, as it has a section titled "Criticism of Roosevelt as a "fascist"" <a href="/wiki/User:GeogSage" title="User:GeogSage"><span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; color:grey">GeogSage</span></a> <sup> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeogSage" title="User talk:GeogSage"><span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; color:grey">⚔Chat?⚔</span></a>) </sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-GeogSage-20241117041300-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GeogSage-20241117041300-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GeogSage-20241117041300-Skullers-20241117035500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skullers-20241117042800-GeogSage-20241117041300"></span>FDR died in 1945, even <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BDP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BDP">WP:BDP</a> doesn't apply there (142 years since birth). <a href="/wiki/User:Skullers" title="User:Skullers">Skullers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skullers" title="User talk:Skullers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Skullers-20241117042800-GeogSage-20241117041300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skullers-20241117042800-GeogSage-20241117041300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skullers-20241117042800-GeogSage-20241117041300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GeogSage-20241118151700-Skullers-20241117042800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Skullers" title="User:Skullers">Skullers</a>, honestly this is verifiable I don't think it violates BLP. I think the content doesn't warrant its own page though, which is why I point to the way we have handled the criticisms and accusations of fascism in another U.S. president. All of the various criticisms can be grouped together into one page. If everything about FDR can fit into one, certainly Trump is not more significant. I think @<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">Masem</a> was following what I meant, and I agree with their comment on the matter. <a href="/wiki/User:GeogSage" title="User:GeogSage"><span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; color:grey">GeogSage</span></a> <sup> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeogSage" title="User talk:GeogSage"><span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; color:grey">⚔Chat?⚔</span></a>) </sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-GeogSage-20241118151700-Skullers-20241117042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GeogSage-20241118151700-Skullers-20241117042800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GeogSage-20241118151700-Skullers-20241117042800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20241117043400-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>This is well and truly covered by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPPUBLIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPPUBLIC">WP:BLPPUBLIC</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-TarnishedPath-20241117043400-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20241117043400-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20241117043400-Skullers-20241117035500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241117050000-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath">TarnishedPath</a> is correct. And if @<a href="/wiki/User:Skullers" title="User:Skullers">Skullers</a> thinks the article should be deleted, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a> is the correct forum, not here. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241117050000-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241117050000-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241117050000-Skullers-20241117035500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hyperbolick-20241117062700-JFHJr-20241117050000"></span>AFD's already been tried. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism</a>. Don't know the protocol for trying again a month on, but would expect trouble. <a href="/wiki/User:Hyperbolick" title="User:Hyperbolick">Hyperbolick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hyperbolick" title="User talk:Hyperbolick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Hyperbolick-20241117062700-JFHJr-20241117050000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hyperbolick-20241117062700-JFHJr-20241117050000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hyperbolick-20241117062700-JFHJr-20241117050000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hyperbolick-20241117063000-JFHJr-20241117050000"></span>While you're at it, there's <a href="/wiki/Age_and_health_concerns_about_Donald_Trump" title="Age and health concerns about Donald Trump">Age and health concerns about Donald Trump</a>, set up to parallel <a href="/wiki/Age_and_health_concerns_about_Joe_Biden" title="Age and health concerns about Joe Biden">age and health concerns about Joe Biden</a>, Which was AFD'd and kept. <a href="/wiki/User:Hyperbolick" title="User:Hyperbolick">Hyperbolick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hyperbolick" title="User talk:Hyperbolick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Hyperbolick-20241117063000-JFHJr-20241117050000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hyperbolick-20241117063000-JFHJr-20241117050000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hyperbolick-20241117063000-JFHJr-20241117050000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241117171500-Hyperbolick-20241117063000"></span>Well, there you have it, @<a href="/wiki/User:Skullers" title="User:Skullers">Skullers</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">WP:Consensus</a> indicates it's not a G10 problem after all. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241117171500-Hyperbolick-20241117063000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241117171500-Hyperbolick-20241117063000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241117171500-Hyperbolick-20241117063000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-20241117172600-JFHJr-20241117171500"></span>On the other hand, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> says we should be far more summary style in how we are presenting current events. We don't need to document every single instance or opinion put out there, but should be aiming for how this will be viewed by academics in the future. There's arguments for significant trimming on all these pages such that they can be grouped into a single page like with the above Criticism of FDR. <a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Masem-20241117172600-JFHJr-20241117171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-20241117172600-JFHJr-20241117171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-20241117172600-JFHJr-20241117171500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900-Masem-20241117172600"></span>NOTNEWS does not say that. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900-Masem-20241117172600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900-Masem-20241117172600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900-Masem-20241117172600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-20241117174200-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900"></span>"However, not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia." "Also, while including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information." "Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to overly detailed articles that look like a diary. Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored warrants inclusion in the biography of that person, only those for which they have notability or for which our readers are reasonably likely to have an interest." <a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Masem-20241117174200-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-20241117174200-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-20241117174200-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800-Masem-20241117174200"></span>And how do you get from there to "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> says we should be far more summary style in how we are presenting current events"? NOTNEWS is not telling us to treat recent developments differently from other information... Its telling us to treat it the same, not in a more summary style. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800-Masem-20241117174200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800-Masem-20241117174200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800-Masem-20241117174200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241117181700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800"></span>I won't put words in anyone's mouth, but perhaps the point above is that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEIGHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEIGHT">WP:WEIGHT</a> of each topic of (apparent) criticism (YMMV) is undue when spilt into independent articles. It's a defensible opinion, though I do not agree. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241117181700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241117181700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241117181700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117180800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100-JFHJr-20241117181700"></span>Oh yeah, that would be a fair opinion but better suited to AFD than here. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100-JFHJr-20241117181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100-JFHJr-20241117181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100-JFHJr-20241117181700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241117182300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100"></span>Agreed @<a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a>! And a closure of this discussion comports with the consensus actually reached at AfD. I'd support anyone who wants to close this now. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241117182300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241117182300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241117182300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-20241117182400-JFHJr-20241117181700"></span>They're all definitely connected, and the essay <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recentism" title="Wikipedia:Recentism">Wikipedia:Recentism</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criticism" title="Wikipedia:Criticism">Wikipedia:Criticism</a> covers these issues. The content (particularly the Trump/fascism article) is fully appropriate and necessary, as these are points oft-repeated in sources and essential that we have that content. But we have to be aware that as WP editors, we should be careful about jumping on every single point raised by sources that would support those ideas, particularly in the short term. If we were writing this all 10 years after the events, for the first time, we would definitely not be as detailed as some of these articles have now, and some may be more footnotes in history (like Trump and golf), while others could be major factors. But we should let time figure that out, and use caution in the short term particularly in piling on criticism reported by reliable sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Masem-20241117182400-JFHJr-20241117181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-20241117182400-JFHJr-20241117181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-20241117182400-JFHJr-20241117181700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241117182600-Masem-20241117182400"></span>There are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NODEADLINES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NODEADLINES">WP:NODEADLINES</a> here. We can actually wait 10 years and see. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241117182600-Masem-20241117182400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241117182600-Masem-20241117182400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241117182600-Masem-20241117182400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182800-Masem-20241117182400"></span>I would note that we are actually nearly ten years out from the stuff that happened before the 2016 election (when we seem to have the first really serious coverage of the topic). It doesn't feel like a long time but even 2020 isn't in the scope of "recent developments" "current events" or "breaking news" <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182800-Masem-20241117182400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182800-Masem-20241117182400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117182800-Masem-20241117182400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-20241118145900-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>┌───────────────────────────┘<br/>Simon below makes most of my point. If there are academic sources, we should focus on using those and try to keep close to what they are saying that to us our imperfect "expertise" to try to deduce how significant we may halthibk a topic is, particularly if we are using news media for that basis. And to add that with a divisive figure like Trump, it is really easy to let slip in personal and media biases to make one think a topic us more important than it really is or will be in the future. Again, to stress, content on Trump and fascism is clearly DUE, but to what level of coverage we should give it (and thus whether it needs a sepearate aeticle) should be reviewed. But definitely not AFD.<span id="Masem:1731941982424:WikipediaFTTCLNBiographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Masem-20241118145900-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-20241118145900-Skullers-20241117035500"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-20241118145900-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172400-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>Well its not an attack page... G10 doesn't apply... Which leaves us with NPOVTITLE and to me the current title doesn't run afoul of anything there, we seem to have a non-judgmental descriptive title. Can you explain your position? <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172400-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172400-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241117172400-Skullers-20241117035500"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241118142000-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>I just wanted to note, as I mentioned at article talk for that page not long ago, that there is substantial nuanced academic discussion regarding the relationship between Donald Trump and fascism. I've provided an example of the first few articles I pulled up on Google Scholar and, yeah, there's definitely a page's worth of academic work there. I would caution editors to stick to high-quality sources rather than newsmedia opinion pieces and to expect the article, if properly neutral, should not conclude either that Trump is or fascist or that he is not. The terms of the academic debate on the topic would not support either conclusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Simonm223-20241118142000-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241118142000-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241118142000-Skullers-20241117035500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walsh90210-20241121232200-Skullers-20241117035500"></span>This is not an attack page in the sense of being G10 deleted. The title might have NPOV concerns; I can see why some people would view a title such as "Donald Trump and accusations of fascism" as more neutral. <a href="/wiki/User:Walsh90210" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Walsh90210">Walsh90210</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walsh90210" title="User talk:Walsh90210">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Walsh90210-20241121232200-Skullers-20241117035500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walsh90210-20241121232200-Skullers-20241117035500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walsh90210-20241121232200-Skullers-20241117035500"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Hasan_Piker" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Hasan_Piker-20241118014600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Hasan_Piker-20241118014600"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Hasan_Piker" title="Talk:Hasan Piker">Talk:Hasan Piker</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Hasan_Piker-20241118014600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Talk:Hasan Piker"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118014600-Talk:Hasan_Piker"></span>Could I get some uninvolved input here? Starting from <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hasan_Piker#Recent_controversies." title="Talk:Hasan Piker">this section</a>, we have some pretty wild claims circulating freely about the person in the article. In particular, I'm wondering if certain accusations concerning rape are worthy of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVDEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVDEL">WP:REVDEL</a>, or if I should just delete them myself but leave them in history, or if I should just not touch them. </p><p>Apparently there's a feud/harassment campaign (depending on who you ask) going on, related to the so-called "adpocalypse" on Twitch, which may explain some of these newer edit attempts. Ultimately however, that's all just Internet noise - what I'm concerned about is following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">BLP</a>, which as I understand is pretty important on Wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LaughingManiac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LaughingManiac (page does not exist)">LaughingManiac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaughingManiac" title="User talk:LaughingManiac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LaughingManiac-20241118014600-Talk:Hasan_Piker" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118014600-Talk:Hasan_Piker"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaughingManiac-20241118014600-Talk:Hasan_Piker"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100-LaughingManiac-20241118014600"></span>the controversy around israel palestine generally should not be touched by anyone who isnt EC yet anyways. most parties in that thread dont seem to have 500 edits yet <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100-LaughingManiac-20241118014600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100-LaughingManiac-20241118014600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100-LaughingManiac-20241118014600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118025800-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100"></span>Ah, I hadn't thought of the fact that this would be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PIA">PIA</a>. Although thinking about it, doesn't that mean the Hasan Piker article should be ECPd?</dd> <dd>My question regarding what should be done with the allegations made on the talk page isn't really answered by this, but thanks in any case. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LaughingManiac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LaughingManiac (page does not exist)">LaughingManiac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaughingManiac" title="User talk:LaughingManiac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LaughingManiac-20241118025800-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118025800-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaughingManiac-20241118025800-Bluethricecreamman-20241118023100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054800-LaughingManiac-20241118025800"></span>no. only if the article is mostly about israel palestine is it ECPed for that. there is mostly an honor system for articles that intersect with it only marginally…</dd> <dd>if an admin warns a user tho and the user continues to do edits despite not having ec, sanctions are sure to follow. see also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBECR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBECR">WP:ARBECR</a>, only edit requests are allowed <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054800-LaughingManiac-20241118025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054800-LaughingManiac-20241118025800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054800-LaughingManiac-20241118025800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900-LaughingManiac-20241118025800"></span>im not an admin so cant revdel. if the discussion isnt going anywhere any uninvolved participant can close the discussion <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900-LaughingManiac-20241118025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900-LaughingManiac-20241118025800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900-LaughingManiac-20241118025800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118070500-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900"></span>All right, thank you for your help. I guess I'll see where this thread goes with regards to my other concern, while keeping an eye on the talk page over there to check if anyone contributes in the coming days. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LaughingManiac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LaughingManiac (page does not exist)">LaughingManiac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaughingManiac" title="User talk:LaughingManiac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LaughingManiac-20241118070500-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118070500-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaughingManiac-20241118070500-Bluethricecreamman-20241118054900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241118061600-LaughingManiac-20241118014600"></span>There's nothing wrong with the talkpage discussion. The discussion itself isn't libelous and doesn't need to be removed, let alone revdeled. It's about allegations the subject minimizes topic of rape. It isn't about rape itself, and the allegations themselves appear noteworthy when it comes to <i>other</i> notable persons. Their mentions' <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUEWEIGHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUEWEIGHT">WP:DUEWEIGHT</a> in this subject's article is fine to discuss on the talkpage. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241118061600-LaughingManiac-20241118014600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241118061600-LaughingManiac-20241118014600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241118061600-LaughingManiac-20241118014600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LokiTheLiar-20241118065800-JFHJr-20241118061600"></span>Yes, there is something wrong. Since it's about Israel/Palestine, it requires ECP to edit, and therefore the only person in that discussion that should be discussing it is FMSky.</dd> <dd>FWIW I also agree this should be REVDELed for BLP reasons unless strong secondary evidence for the claims can be found. <a href="/wiki/User:LokiTheLiar" title="User:LokiTheLiar">Loki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LokiTheLiar" title="User talk:LokiTheLiar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LokiTheLiar-20241118065800-JFHJr-20241118061600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LokiTheLiar-20241118065800-JFHJr-20241118061600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LokiTheLiar-20241118065800-JFHJr-20241118061600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118070300-JFHJr-20241118061600"></span>Well, these accusations seemed to me to clearly run afoul of the bar of <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"reasonably likely to damage a person or company's reputation"</q> from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LIBEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LIBEL">LIBEL</a>, since no one cited any RS to support them. With that said, I am inexperienced, so I will keep feedback from here in mind, regardless of my own agreement with it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LaughingManiac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LaughingManiac (page does not exist)">LaughingManiac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaughingManiac" title="User talk:LaughingManiac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LaughingManiac-20241118070300-JFHJr-20241118061600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118070300-JFHJr-20241118061600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaughingManiac-20241118070300-JFHJr-20241118061600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nil_Einne-20241118130200-LaughingManiac-20241118070300"></span>I have no comment on rev-deletion but I've removed the discussion, as noted by Loki only FMSky was able to take part in it. Also just a note that any editor who is allowed to engage in the A-I topic is free to give an alert. And while only an admin can give a logged warning, any such editor is also free to give a warning as required. One the editors involved has already been alerted previously and in fact was even finally warned. If it hadn't been around 20+ days since their comment I would have pinged an admin about them. The IPs, while I've sometimes given alerts to IPs it's often fairly pointless unless they come back. Since one IP did post 3 times, I did alert them. LaughingManiac, while I personally feel it was okay for you to bring this here, you need to stop discussing it now. ARBECR applies here as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Nil_Einne" title="User:Nil Einne">Nil Einne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nil_Einne" title="User talk:Nil Einne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Nil_Einne-20241118130200-LaughingManiac-20241118070300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nil_Einne-20241118130200-LaughingManiac-20241118070300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nil_Einne-20241118130200-LaughingManiac-20241118070300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118131200-Nil_Einne-20241118130200"></span>All right, thank you for removing the claims, and letting me know what I should do. I'm satisfied - closing this discussion, as well as <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hasan_Piker#Questionable_summaries" title="Talk:Hasan Piker">the one still in progress with the IP</a>, which runs afoul of the policy, should probably be done.</dd> <dd>One additional question, just so I'm clear on this and keep away from this area: when you say "ARBECR applies" and that I should stop discussing it, this means that I (as a non-extended confirmed editor) shouldn't discuss any of it, on any project page, including to inform others of the restriction, and only make edit requests if I have specific changes in mind, correct?</dd> <dd>Because for full transparency, I did take part in two distinct redirect discussions that are related to the topic area (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_8#Bibi_the_butcher" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8">here</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_17#Jewish_pogrom_in_Amsterdam" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 17">here</a>). Should I avoid doing this in the future? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LaughingManiac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LaughingManiac (page does not exist)">LaughingManiac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaughingManiac" title="User talk:LaughingManiac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LaughingManiac-20241118131200-Nil_Einne-20241118130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118131200-Nil_Einne-20241118130200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaughingManiac-20241118131200-Nil_Einne-20241118130200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161000-LaughingManiac-20241118131200"></span>probably, until you have 500 edits. Admins don't care too much about newbies accidentally breaking the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBECR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBECR">WP:ARBECR</a> rule if they didn't know, but they do care if someone has been told or made aware, and continue to edit on talk page/discussion/articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161000-LaughingManiac-20241118131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161000-LaughingManiac-20241118131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161000-LaughingManiac-20241118131200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500-LaughingManiac-20241118131200"></span>as a non-EC user, you can probably only do <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EDITREQUEST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EDITREQUEST">WP:EDITREQUESTs</a> and not much else. If all you want to do is inform someone of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBECR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBECR">WP:ARBECR</a> ruling, I would not know if that's allowed or not, but i doubt any admin would care. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500-LaughingManiac-20241118131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500-LaughingManiac-20241118131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500-LaughingManiac-20241118131200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118165300-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500"></span>Understood. Then I'll be sure to stay clear of that topic area for content discussions from now on, and will probably just notify admins if I see egregious rule-breaking with no responses concerning the subject, rather than attempt to explain rules myself.</dd> <dd>Thanks for all your help, it's very much appreciated! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LaughingManiac&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LaughingManiac (page does not exist)">LaughingManiac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaughingManiac" title="User talk:LaughingManiac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-LaughingManiac-20241118165300-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaughingManiac-20241118165300-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaughingManiac-20241118165300-Bluethricecreamman-20241118161500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nil_Einne-20241118131600-Nil_Einne-20241118130200"></span>I will say that CTOP aside, I do think the discussion was clear a problem since it made strong allegations about a living person with zero reliable sources. I came across something removed from the article but the only source seemed to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORBESCON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORBESCON">WP:FORBESCON</a>. While it's sometimes okay to start a discussion in the form of "can someone find sources", these need to be handled with care. Especially in the case of a BLP, they should be very limited and IMO generally shouldn't be about such contentious issues. As it stands, even if the one or two comments were okay the discussion had IMO gone on for long enough with no one providing sources so it was past the point where it seemed useful but instead seemed to be heading in the direction of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Forum" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Forum">WP:Forum</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Soapboxing" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Soapboxing">WP:Soapboxing</a> about the subject. Again I make no comment on whether revdeletion is justified. <a href="/wiki/User:Nil_Einne" title="User:Nil Einne">Nil Einne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nil_Einne" title="User talk:Nil Einne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Nil_Einne-20241118131600-Nil_Einne-20241118130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nil_Einne-20241118131600-Nil_Einne-20241118130200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nil_Einne-20241118131600-Nil_Einne-20241118130200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mohammed_Deif" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mohammed_Deif-20241119042000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mohammed_Deif-20241119042000"></span><a href="/wiki/Mohammed_Deif" title="Mohammed Deif">Mohammed Deif</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mohammed_Deif-20241119042000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Mohammed Deif"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ïvana-20241119042000-Mohammed_Deif"></span>There's a Schrödinger's cat situation with Deif. His article previously presumed him to be alive, but a recent report by a newspaper, citing Hamas sources, alleges that the group now acknowledges his death. However, Hamas has since issued a statement denying this. Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BDP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BDP">WP:BDP</a>, we should assume he is alive until a RS confirms otherwise. Given that the report relies on claims which have been rejected by the named source, it seems insufficient to meet the required threshold of verifiability. There is an ongoing discussion involving me and <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> with more details <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Deif#Asharq_Al-Awsat_confirms_Deif's_death." title="Talk:Mohammed Deif">here</a>. Eden argues that the newspaper report is enough to consider him dead and the subsequent statement and denial by Hamas doesn't change this, and I disagree. It seems unlikely that we will agree so I would appreciate additional feedback to know if my interpretation of the policy regarding this situation is wrong. Thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:%C3%8Fvana" title="User:Ïvana">Ïvana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C3%8Fvana" title="User talk:Ïvana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Ïvana-20241119042000-Mohammed_Deif" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ïvana-20241119042000-Mohammed_Deif"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ïvana-20241119042000-Mohammed_Deif"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241119045200-Ïvana-20241119042000"></span>I've just enough imagination to see that both might be true. Not alive or dead, of course. But one Hamas source says one thing that is contradicted by another. Think of their operational condition at the time of publication of each claim for death or "we didn't say that". The death probably doesn't yet belong in the lede or infobox or categories, but may appear discussed with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEIGHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEIGHT">WP:WEIGHT</a> in the prose. Long way of saying it's okay to state in wikivoice we aren't sure to an encyclopedic extent what his current status is, per reasonably reliable sources. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241119045200-Ïvana-20241119042000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241119045200-Ïvana-20241119042000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241119045200-Ïvana-20241119042000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241119050700-Ïvana-20241119042000"></span>The current version of <a href="/wiki/Samantha_Lewthwaite" title="Samantha Lewthwaite">Samantha Lewthwaite</a> might be an example of how to approach doing this. Short and sweet, not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241119050700-Ïvana-20241119042000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241119050700-Ïvana-20241119042000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241119050700-Ïvana-20241119042000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241119210300-JFHJr-20241119050700"></span>Unfortunately, not a good comparison. For <a href="/wiki/Samantha_Lewthwaite" title="Samantha Lewthwaite">Samantha Lewthwaite</a>, all we have is a relative saying they think she might be dead. That's obviously not sufficient to satisfy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BDP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BDP">WP:BDP</a> for listing her as dead.</dd> <dd>In the case of Mohammed Deif, we have a reference saying that a body was found and examined, and is believed to be that of Mohammed Deif.</dd> <dd>We have another reference quoting an official statement by the group that Deif belongs to contradicting the reference saying that he is dead, even though the reference quotes unnamed members within the organization.</dd> <dd>IMHO, the credibility of a reputable journalistic source (at least as far as I know, the reputation has not been questioned) is higher than that of an official statement of an organization that has a stake in the the information it disseminates. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User talk:The Mountain of Eden">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241119210300-JFHJr-20241119050700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241119210300-JFHJr-20241119050700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241119210300-JFHJr-20241119050700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walsh90210-20241121231700-Mohammed_Deif"></span>I think that, for the purposes of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> concerns, we must assume he is still alive. However, for the content of the article, a phrase such as "presumed dead" could be suitable. <a href="/wiki/User:Walsh90210" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Walsh90210">Walsh90210</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walsh90210" title="User talk:Walsh90210">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Walsh90210-20241121231700-Mohammed_Deif" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walsh90210-20241121231700-Mohammed_Deif"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walsh90210-20241121231700-Mohammed_Deif"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)-20241119063000"><span id="Joe_Flood_.28policy_analyst.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)-20241119063000"></span>Joe Flood (policy analyst)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)-20241119063000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Joe Flood (policy analyst)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241122045700-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235681985">.mw-parser-output .side-box{margin:4px 0;box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #aaa;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);display:flow-root}.mw-parser-output .side-box-abovebelow,.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{padding:0.25em 0.9em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-image{padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-imageright{padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .side-box-flex{display:flex;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{flex:1;min-width:0}}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .side-box{width:238px}.mw-parser-output .side-box-right{clear:right;float:right;margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-left{margin-right:1em}}</style><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NAC">WP:NAC</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOOMERANG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOOMERANG">Boomerang</a>. Please post anew if this comes up again. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241122045700-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241122045700-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241122045700-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evadeluge-20241119063000-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>Another editor <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Eppstein">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Eppstein</a> has gutted all the significant content in this article, which is about 30 months old, leaving only a stub. He does not engage in any discussion of specifics, instead threatening to seek deletion of the article if I reverse his extensive changes. These have included complete removal of long sections and publication lists, and my recent edits. </p><p>His very sparse comments appear to suggest that a) he doesn't think the content of these sections is "encyclopaediac" [he does not mention notability]. b) he seems to think there is a CoI because of my username (I am lost on this one) </p><p>To clarify, there is no CoI; I am a biographer and publisher, while the subject of the article is a mathematician and policy analyst. </p><p>I have restored the two longest sections he has removed, to permit discussion here and throughout the dispute process; they are "Australian career" and "International career". </p><p>I want to know how to get this editor to desist (and also, if his extensive deletions have any basis) <a href="/wiki/User:Evadeluge" title="User:Evadeluge">Evadeluge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evadeluge" title="User talk:Evadeluge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Evadeluge-20241119063000-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evadeluge-20241119063000-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evadeluge-20241119063000-Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241119064200-Evadeluge-20241119063000"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:Evadeluge" title="User:Evadeluge">Evadeluge</a>. I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> that your additions are promotional in tone, violating the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">Neutral point of view</a>, a core content policy. So, please do not restore your content until you gain clearcut <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">consensus</a> at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Joe_Flood_(policy_analyst)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Joe Flood (policy analyst) (page does not exist)">Talk: Joe Flood (policy analyst)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Cullen328-20241119064200-Evadeluge-20241119063000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241119064200-Evadeluge-20241119063000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241119064200-Evadeluge-20241119063000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evadeluge-20241119080900-Cullen328-20241119064200"></span>Hi, OK we have done that once already, several years ago when it was first written (see Talk on the article). The modified text you see was accepted by all involved.</dd> <dd>I do think that if the subject of an article makes a substantial real-world contribution, and demonstrably so, this should be included in the text. It is done all the time for pop stars, arts figures, politicians and others, so why not for researchers, managers and others? They suffer from a fairly profound disadvantage at wikipedia and often find it hard even to be notable. Several times, I have had to turn down women who are really quite eminent and real trailblazers, who ought to be in Wikipedia, but can't demonstrate notability, sad. Fortunately, Dr Flood has had fairly good media coverage throughout his career.</dd> <dd>If you have suggestions as to how to improve the tone, I am happy to oblige. Otherwise, I'll have another go at it. But that does not imply wiping out whole sections and leaving only pointless trivia, as this editor has done. He should instead have used <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1251242444">.mw-parser-output .ambox{border:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-left:10px solid #36c;background-color:#fbfbfb;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+style+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+style+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+link+.ambox{margin-top:-1px}html body.mediawiki .mw-parser-output .ambox.mbox-small-left{margin:4px 1em 4px 0;overflow:hidden;width:238px;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .ambox-speedy{border-left:10px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .ambox-delete{border-left:10px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .ambox-content{border-left:10px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .ambox-style{border-left:10px solid #fc3}.mw-parser-output .ambox-move{border-left:10px solid #9932cc}.mw-parser-output .ambox-protection{border-left:10px solid #a2a9b1}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.5em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.5em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.5em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-empty-cell{border:none;padding:0;width:1px}.mw-parser-output .ambox .mbox-image-div{width:52px}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .ambox{margin:0 10%}}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .ambox{display:none!important}}</style><table class="box-Promotional plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content ambox-Advert" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><div class="mbox-image-div"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/40px-Ambox_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/60px-Ambox_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/80px-Ambox_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="40"/></span></span></div></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mbox-text-span">This section <b>contains <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">promotional content</a></b>.<span class="hide-when-compact"> Please help <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit">improve it</a> by removing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam">promotional language</a> and inappropriate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:External links">external links</a>, and by adding encyclopedic text written from a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>.</span><span class="hide-when-compact"><i> (<small><a href="/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove this message</a></small>)</i></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table> or a Puffery tag if he felt that way, I would have been notified and there would have been no need for conflict resolution, dont you think? <a href="/wiki/User:Evadeluge" title="User:Evadeluge">Evadeluge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evadeluge" title="User talk:Evadeluge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Evadeluge-20241119080900-Cullen328-20241119064200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evadeluge-20241119080900-Cullen328-20241119064200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evadeluge-20241119080900-Cullen328-20241119064200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241119103800-Evadeluge-20241119080900"></span>Would you care to expand on the following statement: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Several times, I have had to turn down women who are really quite eminent and real trailblazers, who ought to be in Wikipedia, but can't demonstrate notability, sad.</q></dd> <dd>It looks for all the world as though you are an undeclared paid editor talking about potential commissions. <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Axad12-20241119103800-Evadeluge-20241119080900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241119103800-Evadeluge-20241119080900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241119103800-Evadeluge-20241119080900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241119120800-Axad12-20241119103800"></span>Further info on plausible COI in relation to user Evadeluge can be found in the discussion currently underway at COIN, here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Eva_Deluge">[1]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Axad12-20241119120800-Axad12-20241119103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241119120800-Axad12-20241119103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241119120800-Axad12-20241119103800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241120004900-Axad12-20241119120800"></span>I'll note Deluge means Flood, and is also in the name of a company associated with the subject. This isn't even clever. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Marillajoe&oldid=1258456277">CU came back affirmative</a>, so it's just a matter of waiting for the block. It can be a long wait, but it's not quite forever. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241120004900-Axad12-20241119120800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241120004900-Axad12-20241119120800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241120004900-Axad12-20241119120800"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NatGertler-20241120025800-JFHJr-20241120004900"></span>Yes, but Evade Luge means simply to get out of the way of a snow vehicle, surely the wise thing to do. -- <a href="/wiki/User:NatGertler" title="User:NatGertler">Nat Gertler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NatGertler" title="User talk:NatGertler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-NatGertler-20241120025800-JFHJr-20241120004900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NatGertler-20241120025800-JFHJr-20241120004900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NatGertler-20241120025800-JFHJr-20241120004900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241120030000-NatGertler-20241120025800"></span>Wisdom! Let us be attentive! <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241120030000-NatGertler-20241120025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241120030000-NatGertler-20241120025800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241120030000-NatGertler-20241120025800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evadeluge-20241122024100-JFHJr-20241120004900"></span>yes I am aware that Dr Flood owns a very small publishing company called Deluge Publishing, you can easily look that up. I believe it has published only two books in more than ten years. So what? <a href="/wiki/User:Evadeluge" title="User:Evadeluge">Evadeluge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evadeluge" title="User talk:Evadeluge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Evadeluge-20241122024100-JFHJr-20241120004900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evadeluge-20241122024100-JFHJr-20241120004900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evadeluge-20241122024100-JFHJr-20241120004900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evadeluge-20241122023500-Axad12-20241119103800"></span>that's simple. As I already stated, there is a gross shortage of articles about senior women, who are effectively discriminated against through the notability requirements. Women in Red has called for more articles on senior women. I know at least four senior women who are certainly eligible, but I can't find enough newspaper references to put forward articles on them. That is sad. <a href="/wiki/User:Evadeluge" title="User:Evadeluge">Evadeluge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evadeluge" title="User talk:Evadeluge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Evadeluge-20241122023500-Axad12-20241119103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evadeluge-20241122023500-Axad12-20241119103800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evadeluge-20241122023500-Axad12-20241119103800"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20241122043300-Evadeluge-20241122023500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Stop_x_nuvola.svg/20px-Stop_x_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Stop_x_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_x_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Stop_x_nuvola.svg/40px-Stop_x_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> <b>Blocked</b> <b>indefinitely</b> <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-ToBeFree-20241122043300-Evadeluge-20241122023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20241122043300-Evadeluge-20241122023500"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20241122043300-Evadeluge-20241122023500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Michael_Williams_(bishop)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Michael_Williams_(bishop)-20241119212000"><span id="Michael_Williams_.28bishop.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Michael_Williams_(bishop)-20241119212000"></span><a href="/wiki/Michael_Williams_(bishop)" title="Michael Williams (bishop)">Michael Williams (bishop)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Michael_Williams_(bishop)-20241119212000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Michael Williams (bishop)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241120000100-Michael_Williams_(bishop)"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1250141580"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235681985"><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NAC">WP:NAC</a>: Wrong forum. This is not a deletion forum. No BLP issues exist regarding authorization. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241120000100-Michael_Williams_(bishop)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241120000100-Michael_Williams_(bishop)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241120000100-Michael_Williams_(bishop)"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-38.48.109.37-20241119212000-Michael_Williams_(bishop)"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>Bishop Michael Williams is a living person working in the Anglican Church of North American and did not authorize this article. Therefore requests it be removed from Wikipedia. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/38.48.109.37" title="Special:Contributions/38.48.109.37">38.48.109.37</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:38.48.109.37&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:38.48.109.37 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-38.48.109.37-20241119212000-Michael_Williams_(bishop)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-38.48.109.37-20241119212000-Michael_Williams_(bishop)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-38.48.109.37-20241119212000-Michael_Williams_(bishop)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knitsey-20241119212400-38.48.109.37-20241119212000"></span>Courtesy link <a href="/wiki/Michael_Williams_(bishop)" title="Michael Williams (bishop)">Michael Williams (bishop)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Knitsey" title="User:Knitsey"><span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knitsey" title="User talk:Knitsey"><span style="color: maroon">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Knitsey-20241119212400-38.48.109.37-20241119212000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knitsey-20241119212400-38.48.109.37-20241119212000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knitsey-20241119212400-38.48.109.37-20241119212000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241119235900-38.48.109.37-20241119212000"></span>Greetings, IP anon! I'm not sure why you premise authorization in regards to encyclopedia entries. But I assure you, authorization is neither requested nor required. It's not clear who is requesting removal <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WHYREGISTER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WHYREGISTER">due to your anonymity</a>, but please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTYOU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABOUTYOU">WP:ABOUTYOU</a> if you're interested in contacting Wikipedia in the capacity of an article subject or their representative. For any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">living subject's biography</a>, we have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">inclusion criteria</a> according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. Otherwise, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a> to pursue your deletion options. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241119235900-38.48.109.37-20241119212000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241119235900-38.48.109.37-20241119212000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241119235900-38.48.109.37-20241119212000"></span></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Stephen_Jolly" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Stephen_Jolly-20241120133800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Stephen_Jolly-20241120133800"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Stephen_Jolly" title="Talk:Stephen Jolly">Talk:Stephen Jolly</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Stephen_Jolly-20241120133800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Talk:Stephen Jolly"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20241120133800-Talk:Stephen_Jolly"></span>There's discussion happening at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Stephen_Jolly#Jolly's_removal_from_Victorian_Socialists_expansion,_and_Election_Party_Altercation_inclusion" title="Talk:Stephen Jolly">Talk:Stephen Jolly#Jolly's removal from Victorian Socialists expansion, and Election Party Altercation inclusion</a> about whether contentious material covering unspecified "serious allegations" should be covered in <a href="/wiki/Stephen_Jolly" title="Stephen Jolly">Stephen Jolly</a>. Input from other editors would be appreciated. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-TarnishedPath-20241120133800-Talk:Stephen_Jolly" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20241120133800-Talk:Stephen_Jolly"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20241120133800-Talk:Stephen_Jolly"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="John_Prunskis" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Prunskis-20241121010200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-John_Prunskis-20241121010200"></span><a href="/wiki/John_Prunskis" title="John Prunskis">John Prunskis</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-John_Prunskis-20241121010200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: John Prunskis"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Calidrs-20241121010200-John_Prunskis"></span>Attempt to add sources as images has not been allowed. Also the close connection seems to be incorrect as i have viewed this page recently and saw many more lines of text. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Calidrs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Calidrs (page does not exist)">Calidrs</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Calidrs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Calidrs (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Calidrs" title="Special:Contributions/Calidrs">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Calidrs-20241121010200-John_Prunskis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Calidrs-20241121010200-John_Prunskis"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Calidrs-20241121010200-John_Prunskis"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900-Calidrs-20241121010200"></span>Images of certificates hosted on Wikimedia Commons (like <a href="/wiki/File:25yrs.jpg" title="File:25yrs.jpg">File:25yrs.jpg</a>) are not reliable sources: we have no way of verifying that they are what they say they are. If the Castle Connolly Top Doc award in Interventional Pain Management is an important part of Prunskis' career which Wikipedia should be including in its article, we should be able to find a better source than that.<br/>As for the connected contributor: it seems reasonable to question whether someone who has edited almost solely about Prunskis, and has <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Stilltech">uploaded eight images of him and awards he has won</a> to Commons, might have a connection to Prunskis. <a href="/wiki/User:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User:Caeciliusinhorto-public">Caeciliusinhorto-public</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900-Calidrs-20241121010200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900-Calidrs-20241121010200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900-Calidrs-20241121010200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241123024200-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900"></span>Can an "honorary consul" for a small country serving in Aspen, Colorado and in South Florida be accurately described as a diplomat? I do not think so. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Cullen328-20241123024200-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241123024200-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241123024200-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241121093900"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Marianne_Williamson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Marianne_Williamson-20241121192800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Marianne_Williamson-20241121192800"></span><a href="/wiki/Marianne_Williamson" title="Marianne Williamson">Marianne Williamson</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Marianne_Williamson-20241121192800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Marianne Williamson"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800-Marianne_Williamson"></span>Citation #5 for the statement claiming Ms. Williamson ran in the 2024 democratic primary against Joe Biden does not include any information supporting that statement. The Associated Press article only discusses Joe Biden running for president in 2024. </p><p>Please remove this citation or correct it in whichever way the site moderators usually do. Thank you. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583">2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800-Marianne_Williamson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800-Marianne_Williamson"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800-Marianne_Williamson"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241121203000-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800"></span>Thank you for catching that! I've replaced the citation with a different one that supports the statement directly. <a href="/wiki/User:ModernDayTrilobite" title="User:ModernDayTrilobite">ModernDayTrilobite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ModernDayTrilobite" title="User talk:ModernDayTrilobite">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite" title="Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241121203000-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241121203000-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241121203000-2600:1702:6962:8700:39B9:4B4:EEAF:6583-20241121192800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pam_Bondi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pam_Bondi-20241121235700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pam_Bondi-20241121235700"></span><a href="/wiki/Pam_Bondi" title="Pam Bondi">Pam Bondi</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pam_Bondi-20241121235700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Pam Bondi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.39.64.27-20241121235700-Pam_Bondi"></span>Who the hell posted this about the AG? What is wrong with Wikipedia?? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.39.64.27" title="Special:Contributions/108.39.64.27">108.39.64.27</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:108.39.64.27&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:108.39.64.27 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-108.39.64.27-20241121235700-Pam_Bondi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.39.64.27-20241121235700-Pam_Bondi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.39.64.27-20241121235700-Pam_Bondi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ClaudineChionh-20241122003600-108.39.64.27-20241121235700"></span>I'm not sure which specific problematic edit you're referring to, but controversial figures frequently attract vandalism. No need to worry, the article is being monitored by regular anti-vandalism patrollers and has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ECP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ECP">protected</a> <s>for now</s>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:ClaudineChionh" title="User:ClaudineChionh">ClaudineChionh</a></b> <small>(<i>she/her</i> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ClaudineChionh" title="User talk:ClaudineChionh">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh" title="Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh" title="Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh">email</a> · <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:ClaudineChionh" class="extiw" title="m:User:ClaudineChionh">global</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-ClaudineChionh-20241122003600-108.39.64.27-20241121235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ClaudineChionh-20241122003600-108.39.64.27-20241121235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ClaudineChionh-20241122003600-108.39.64.27-20241121235700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="James_Howells" data-mw-thread-id="h-James_Howells-20241122103100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-James_Howells-20241122103100"></span>James Howells<span data-mw-comment-end="h-James_Howells-20241122103100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: James Howells"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241124220400-James_Howells"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1250141580"><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235681985"><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-abovebelow" style="padding: 0;"> IN MAINSPACE</div> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">No need for further discussion on the subject, <a href="/wiki/Bitcoin_buried_in_Newport_landfill" title="Bitcoin buried in Newport landfill">the article</a> has been moved to mainspace and any further discussion can take place on the talkpage. <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241124220400-James_Howells" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241124220400-James_Howells"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241124220400-James_Howells"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100-James_Howells"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>I'm planning to create an article on <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:James_Howells#Bitcoin" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft talk:James Howells">James Howells missing Bitcoin</a>. At first I thought it should be a BLP at James Howells, now I'm thinking it should be an event-based article instead due to BIO1E/BLP1E? Something titled as James Howells missing Bitcoin or James Howells Bitcoin fortune? Any suggestions appreciated. Just a bit stuck for titling and where to start draft... <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100-James_Howells" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100-James_Howells"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100-James_Howells"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100"></span>Maybe just the BLP name, James Howells. He is the guy who lost his bitcoin at the dump and sued England right? Sometimes it is hard to justify notability for a person that is only notable for a single thing. But I think your other suggestions for James Howells' missing bitcoin is probably ok too for a title.<a href="/wiki/User:Jtbobwaysf" title="User:Jtbobwaysf">Jtbobwaysf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtbobwaysf" title="User talk:Jtbobwaysf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122103100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800"></span>James Howells would likely end up at AfD over BLP1E - for good reason I think - hence best avoided. He is only notable because he supposedly lost some coins a while ago. As for coverage, fixed the talk page draft (forgot to create the draft), so with 10 years of coverage over this evolving event, it seems due an article similar to other <a href="/wiki/List_of_missing_treasures" title="List of missing treasures">missing treasure</a> based articles. I get the impression that such articles shouldn't necessary include a BLP name either, but instead something like "Newport landfill missing Bitcoin"? Howells would redirect to that article, it seems this would be a more accurate common name than including his? <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100-Jtbobwaysf-20241122151800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NatGertler-20241122155000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100"></span>"Newport landfill missing Bitcoin" makes it sound like the landfill doesn't have Bitcoin (and even that it's sad about that fact). Perhaps <i>Bitcoin lost in landfill"? -- <a href="/wiki/User:NatGertler" title="User:NatGertler">Nat Gertler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NatGertler" title="User talk:NatGertler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-NatGertler-20241122155000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NatGertler-20241122155000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NatGertler-20241122155000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300-NatGertler-20241122155000"></span>Thanks. This why I came here asking for help over title, as I'm not good with these things :) I agree Bitcoin lost in landfill works, maybe "Bitcoin lost in Newport landfill" or "Bitcoin lost in Docksway landfill", is better, more precise? Otherwise the article suggests it's based on all Bitcoin that has ended up in landfill, and thus the scope would be too broad? <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300-NatGertler-20241122155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300-NatGertler-20241122155000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300-NatGertler-20241122155000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NatGertler-20241122212900-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300"></span>My beliefs are: <ol><li>There are no other articles here on bitcoin losses in landfills that we need to differentiate from</li> <li>If a second case was to arise, it would almost certainly be compared to the Newport case in question, in which case it would probably make the best sense to integrate it into the same article (perhaps moving it to <i>...landfills</i>) as coverage of a phenomenon rather than making articles for each separate incident.</li></ol></dd> <dd>But that' just my view, and I would certainly understand feeling otherwise. -- <a href="/wiki/User:NatGertler" title="User:NatGertler">Nat Gertler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NatGertler" title="User talk:NatGertler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-NatGertler-20241122212900-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NatGertler-20241122212900-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NatGertler-20241122212900-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122160300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213400-NatGertler-20241122212900"></span>Could you do me a favour and just move my draft to a better title for me? <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213400-NatGertler-20241122212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213400-NatGertler-20241122212900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213400-NatGertler-20241122212900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300-NatGertler-20241122155000"></span>I moved a draft to <a href="/wiki/Draft:Bitcoin_missing_in_Newport_landfill" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Bitcoin missing in Newport landfill">Draft:Bitcoin missing in Newport landfill</a> so think I'm good now. If anyone can think of a better name, can always be moved afterwards I figured. Probably overthought the BLP issue here. <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300-NatGertler-20241122155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300-NatGertler-20241122155000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300-NatGertler-20241122155000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CommunityNotesContributor</a> My issue with that is that it reads in a very newsy way, so not encyclopedic. That is the title of a news heading, not an encyclopedia article. <a href="/wiki/User:PARAKANYAA" title="User:PARAKANYAA">PARAKANYAA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PARAKANYAA" title="User talk:PARAKANYAA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122212300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213200-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000"></span>That's why I came here :) Any better suggestions? I'm all ears, given this is now effectively a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BEFORERM&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:BEFORERM (page does not exist)">WP:BEFORERM</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User:CommunityNotesContributor">CNC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommunityNotesContributor" title="User talk:CommunityNotesContributor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213200-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213200-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommunityNotesContributor-20241122213200-PARAKANYAA-20241122213000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vito_Tanzi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vito_Tanzi-20241122213800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vito_Tanzi-20241122213800"></span>Vito Tanzi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vito_Tanzi-20241122213800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Vito Tanzi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Tanzi_effect" title="Tanzi effect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.51.65.27-20241122213800-Vito_Tanzi"></span>Tanzi effect</a> Author of the Tanzi Effect the link to Prof Tanzi’s (that used to work and was very detailed highlighting his achievements/career) has been deleted I was wondering if the previous version can be restored? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.51.65.27" title="Special:Contributions/108.51.65.27">108.51.65.27</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:108.51.65.27&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:108.51.65.27 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-108.51.65.27-20241122213800-Vito_Tanzi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.51.65.27-20241122213800-Vito_Tanzi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.51.65.27-20241122213800-Vito_Tanzi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Vito_Tanzi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Vito Tanzi (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241123012100-108.51.65.27-20241122213800"></span>Vito Tanzi</a> was deleted in 2009, over 15 years ago, for blatant copyright violations. Are you posting here and now about the article from 2009? I'd say the answer is no, and you can start from scratch without violating copyrights. I found no significant removals in the last 5 years from the theory article that you linked. Please clarify your request. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241123012100-108.51.65.27-20241122213800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241123012100-108.51.65.27-20241122213800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241123012100-108.51.65.27-20241122213800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="BLP_revdel_required" data-mw-thread-id="h-BLP_revdel_required-20241123063300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BLP_revdel_required-20241123063300"></span>BLP revdel required<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BLP_revdel_required-20241123063300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: BLP revdel required"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Rape_of_Nanking_(book)&oldid=1259076921"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Traumnovelle-20241123063300-BLP_revdel_required"></span>[2]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Traumnovelle" title="User:Traumnovelle">Traumnovelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Traumnovelle" title="User talk:Traumnovelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Traumnovelle-20241123063300-BLP_revdel_required" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Traumnovelle-20241123063300-BLP_revdel_required"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Traumnovelle-20241123063300-BLP_revdel_required"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241123094700-Traumnovelle-20241123063300"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" 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A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_23#Category:People_acquitted_of_corruption" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 23">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect" title="User talk:RevelationDirect">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-RevelationDirect-20241123155800-Category:People_acquitted_of_corruption_has_been_nominated_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevelationDirect-20241123155800-Category:People_acquitted_of_corruption_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevelationDirect-20241123155800-Category:People_acquitted_of_corruption_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Valery_Solodchuk" data-mw-thread-id="h-Valery_Solodchuk-20241124103300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Valery_Solodchuk-20241124103300"></span><a href="/wiki/Valery_Solodchuk" title="Valery Solodchuk">Valery Solodchuk</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Valery_Solodchuk-20241124103300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Valery Solodchuk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Harizotoh9-20241124103300-Valery_Solodchuk"></span>User inserting sources alleging this Russian general has died. But, the sources are only English language tabloids or Ukrainian sources. And said sources cite unnamed sources, rather than any government official (including the Ukrainian government). They appear to just be playing a game of telephone with each other. As such, until it can be proven conclusively, BLP rules still apply and these sources would not be enough to justify any claim let alone a claim of death. <a href="/wiki/User:Harizotoh9" title="User:Harizotoh9">Harizotoh9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Harizotoh9" title="User talk:Harizotoh9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Harizotoh9-20241124103300-Valery_Solodchuk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Harizotoh9-20241124103300-Valery_Solodchuk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Harizotoh9-20241124103300-Valery_Solodchuk"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241124195000-Harizotoh9-20241124103300"></span>To quote @<a href="/wiki/User:Walsh90210" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Walsh90210">Walsh90210</a> from a recent discussion: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I think that, for the purposes of WP:BLP concerns, we must assume he is still alive. However, for the content of the article, a phrase such as "presumed dead" could be suitable.</q> That appears in the current version. The link in "See also" of the current version might be too much for now, though I'll refrain from removing it myself. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> encourages patience for developing situations over back-and-forth reversions and discussions. The relevant talkpage discussion is still nascent. Please carry on. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241124195000-Harizotoh9-20241124103300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241124195000-Harizotoh9-20241124103300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241124195000-Harizotoh9-20241124103300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Harizotoh9-20241125041600-JFHJr-20241124195000"></span>There's not much left to discuss: the source is a post on Telegram, which media outlets with lower threshold for evidence like English language tabloids and Ukrainian sites have repeated. Since nothing is confirmed, and media outlets with higher threshold of evidence are not reporting it, then we should treat him as alive, and thus BLP rules apply. Tabloids and Ukrainian sources are not appropriate sources for war, given that tabloids have lower threshold of evidence, and Ukrainian sources are from the country that Russia is directly at war with. <a href="/wiki/User:Harizotoh9" title="User:Harizotoh9">Harizotoh9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Harizotoh9" title="User talk:Harizotoh9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Harizotoh9-20241125041600-JFHJr-20241124195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Harizotoh9-20241125041600-JFHJr-20241124195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Harizotoh9-20241125041600-JFHJr-20241124195000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kathleen_Hicks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kathleen_Hicks-20241125123000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kathleen_Hicks-20241125123000"></span>Kathleen Hicks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kathleen_Hicks-20241125123000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Kathleen Hicks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WWB_Too-20241125123000-Kathleen_Hicks"></span>Last week a first-time IP editor added a POV interpretation of an interview with U.S. deputy SecDef <a href="/wiki/Kathleen_Hicks" title="Kathleen Hicks">Kathleen Hicks</a> in 2023. The diff is visible <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathleen_Hicks&diff=prev&oldid=1258341011">here</a>. I believe this commentary is inappropriate, and should be reverted. However, I have a financial COI with the subject and think it better that I not be the one to do so. If another editor here agrees the edit does not meet Wikipedia's standards, I'd invite them to make the change. Thanks, and let me know if you have any questions. <a href="/wiki/User:WWB_Too" title="User:WWB Too">WWB Too</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WWB_Too" title="User talk:WWB Too">Talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:WWB_Too" title="User:WWB Too">COI</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-WWB_Too-20241125123000-Kathleen_Hicks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WWB_Too-20241125123000-Kathleen_Hicks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WWB_Too-20241125123000-Kathleen_Hicks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400-WWB_Too-20241125123000"></span>Yes, clearly inappropriate and completely unsupported by the source. I have reverted <a href="/wiki/User:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User:Caeciliusinhorto-public">Caeciliusinhorto-public</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public" title="User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400-WWB_Too-20241125123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400-WWB_Too-20241125123000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400-WWB_Too-20241125123000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WWB_Too-20241125125700-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400"></span>Thanks, I really appreciate it. <a href="/wiki/User:WWB_Too" title="User:WWB Too">WWB Too</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WWB_Too" title="User talk:WWB Too">Talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:WWB_Too" title="User:WWB Too">COI</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-WWB_Too-20241125125700-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WWB_Too-20241125125700-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WWB_Too-20241125125700-Caeciliusinhorto-public-20241125124400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Taylor_Lorenz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz-20241125145100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz-20241125145100"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Taylor_Lorenz" title="Talk:Taylor Lorenz">Talk:Taylor_Lorenz</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz-20241125145100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Talk:Taylor_Lorenz"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz"></span>Significant discussion about Taylor Lorenz's age and what it should be. Apparently Lorenz has publicly stated she does not want her exact birthday disclosed due to constant doxing. </p><p>There are multiple sections here where users are looking through Flickr albums and ancestry.com records to figure out her exact birthday... not sure if that is worth oversighting. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100-Talk:Taylor_Lorenz"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20241125145400-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100"></span>It looks pretty trolly and, in context, inappropriate. I think the encyclopedic value of a precise birthdate should not override a living person's safety concerns. Suggest, however, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight">emailing oversight</a> instead of putting this on a noticeboard in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Simonm223-20241125145400-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20241125145400-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20241125145400-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241125145800-Simonm223-20241125145400"></span>Using reliable media sources to work out a birth date is fine - but relying on ancestry.com records is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPPRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPPRIMARY">WP:BLPPRIMARY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-GiantSnowman-20241125145800-Simonm223-20241125145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241125145800-Simonm223-20241125145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241125145800-Simonm223-20241125145400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125155200-Simonm223-20241125145400"></span>Ah, did not realize there was a difference between revdel and oversight, and have been using them interchangeably. Will do. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125155200-Simonm223-20241125145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125155200-Simonm223-20241125145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241125155200-Simonm223-20241125145400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20241126175800-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100"></span>The talk page sleuthing should be removed. I also removed the long, tortured note about her birthday in the article. Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DOB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DOB">WP:DOB</a>, we need "widely reported" DOB without relying on original research, and special consideration for the ~"widely reportedness" if the subject objects to its publication. We don't have any of that -- just Wikipedians cobbling together scraps of conflicting information in order to triangulate the birthday of someone who doesn't want people to know their birthday for privacy reasons. — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Rhododendrites-20241126175800-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20241126175800-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20241126175800-Bluethricecreamman-20241125145100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awshort-20241127034000-Rhododendrites-20241126175800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites">Rhododendrites</a>:</span> Also per the same policy - <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year, provided that there is a reliable source for it.</q> (Pinged you on the Talk page of the article but wanted to add a note to the above here). I have no idea if such exists for her since I honestly have no idea who she is.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Awshort" title="User:Awshort">Awshort</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awshort" title="User talk:Awshort">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Awshort-20241127034000-Rhododendrites-20241126175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awshort-20241127034000-Rhododendrites-20241126175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awshort-20241127034000-Rhododendrites-20241126175800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rhododendrites-20241127034700-Awshort-20241127034000"></span>Those are compatible. If a DOB is widely reported then the subject's objection may result in just listing a year. Certainly the idea of "erring on the side of caution and simply list[ing] a year" doesn't mean "throw the other requirements out the window". — <samp><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></samp> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Rhododendrites-20241127034700-Awshort-20241127034000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-20241127034700-Awshort-20241127034000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-20241127034700-Awshort-20241127034000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman-20241125193100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman-20241125193100"></span><a href="/wiki/Jerry_Baldwin" title="Jerry Baldwin">Jerry Baldwin</a> American businessman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman-20241125193100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Jerry Baldwin American businessman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman"></span>This is my second request. </p><p>Please remove this: "Jerry Baldwin's net worth was estimated to be $2.4 billion in 2018.[9]" </p><p><b>Your own guidelines state that only reliable sources can be quoted. The footnote [9] is error 404.</b> Please note there is NO reliable source for this assertion because it is complete bullshit<b>. It apparently originated in an early AI story about Howard Schultz of Starbucks.</b> </p><p>From many, many public sources you can read that our company sold assets including the Starbucks name and going concern for $4.1 million. I personally received nothing from this transaction because all the money was maintained in the company for expansion of Peet's Coffee in Berkeley, CA. </p><p>I stepped down from active management before the IPO in 2001. Although this article has a few errors, reading it shows how small the company was--<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/peets-coffee-tea-inc">https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/peets-coffee-tea-inc</a> </p><p>The Wikipedia articel on Peet's coffee of today lists sales for the entire company plus subsidiaries at $983m. I own no stock in the company and it would be impossible to extract billions from a company this small. </p><p>How I could have made more than a few million in my career????? I have appeared in exactly ZERO lists of billionaires or the wealthy--for the simple fact that I am neither. I have one house, no airplane, no yacht, and I drive a small Volvo. I know of no person in specialty coffee who started in the 1970s,m who got rich. It was the next generation: Howard Schultz, Bob Stiller for example. </p><p>Your citation of this ridiculous net worth only causes people who reply on your info, to misjudge my ability to contribute to their causes--causing a lot of wasted time and effort by non-profits who have neither to spare. </p><p>I repeat this is my second (and more complete) effort to have this spurious info expunged. PLEASE!!! <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ilmangiatore&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ilmangiatore (page does not exist)">Ilmangiatore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ilmangiatore#top" title="User talk:Ilmangiatore">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ilmangiatore" title="Special:Contributions/Ilmangiatore">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100-Jerry_Baldwin_American_businessman"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241125193500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100"></span>I've removed that. The source said 2.4 million, and is not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, especially for claims about a living person. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241125193500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241125193500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241125193500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaidnoway-20241126071500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100"></span>Although Wikipedia discourages people from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography" title="Wikipedia:Autobiography">writing about themselves</a>, removal of unsourced or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPEDIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPEDIT">poorly sourced material is acceptable</a>. Looks like an IP editor changed it to $2.4 billion <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerry_Baldwin&diff=prev&oldid=1054016931">three years ago</a></span>. Thanks for bringing it to our attention <i>again</i>, sorry this happened to you.<a href="/wiki/User:Isaidnoway" title="User:Isaidnoway"><b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:blue"> <i>Isaidnoway</i> </b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaidnoway" title="User talk:Isaidnoway"><b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#03B54F"><i>(talk)</i></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-Isaidnoway-20241126071500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaidnoway-20241126071500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaidnoway-20241126071500-Ilmangiatore-20241125193100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented-20241126214000"><span id="Jay_Bhattacharya.27s_profession_is_incorrectly_represented"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented-20241126214000"></span><a href="/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya" title="Jay Bhattacharya">Jay Bhattacharya</a>'s profession is incorrectly represented<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented-20241126214000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Jay Bhattacharya's profession is incorrectly represented"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GarconCanadien-20241126214000-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented"></span>I've tried to edit Jay Bhattacharya's profession from virologist to economist multiple times to accurately reflect what he does (he's not a practicing physician either). Somebody keeps changing it back to virologist despite Jay holding no such degrees.<small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GarconCanadien&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GarconCanadien (page does not exist)">GarconCanadien</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GarconCanadien&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:GarconCanadien (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GarconCanadien" title="Special:Contributions/GarconCanadien">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-GarconCanadien-20241126214000-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GarconCanadien-20241126214000-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GarconCanadien-20241126214000-Jay_Bhattacharya's_profession_is_incorrectly_represented"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JFHJr-20241127054500-GarconCanadien-20241126214000"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Are you referring to the short description markup? I modified that and didn't see any other mention of the subject as being a virologist. Let me know if I missed something. <a href="/wiki/User:JFHJr" title="User:JFHJr">JFHJr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JFHJr" title="User talk:JFHJr">㊟</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JFHJr-20241127054500-GarconCanadien-20241126214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JFHJr-20241127054500-GarconCanadien-20241126214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JFHJr-20241127054500-GarconCanadien-20241126214000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?-20241127132600"><span id="Douglas_Murray_.28author.29_.3D.3E_Douglas_Murray.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?-20241127132600"></span>Douglas Murray (author) => Douglas Murray?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?-20241127132600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Douglas Murray (author) => Douglas Murray?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MaskedSinger-20241127132600-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?"></span>There are 4 people called Douglas Murray with articles on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/Douglas_Murray" class="mw-disambig" title="Douglas Murray">Douglas Murray</a> is a disambiguation page with the 4 of them listed. I'm wondering if <a href="/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)" title="Douglas Murray (author)">Douglas Murray (author)</a> has done enough to claim the title as the main Douglas Murray in order that <a href="/wiki/Douglas_Murray" class="mw-disambig" title="Douglas Murray">Douglas Murray</a> is his article? In terms of 2024 YTD page views for the 4 Douglas Murray articles: </p><p>Author - 1,109,448 </p><p>Ice Hockey - 16,071 </p><p>Politician - 830 </p><p>Sound Editor - 152 </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:MaskedSinger" title="User:MaskedSinger">MaskedSinger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MaskedSinger" title="User talk:MaskedSinger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-MaskedSinger-20241127132600-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MaskedSinger-20241127132600-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MaskedSinger-20241127132600-Douglas_Murray_(author)_=>_Douglas_Murray?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Donald_trump" data-mw-thread-id="h-Donald_trump-20241127164200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Donald_trump-20241127164200"></span>Donald trump<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Donald_trump-20241127164200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Donald trump"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200-Donald_trump"></span>The main user in control of the article claims on his user page that he/she is not very active on wikipedia anymore. But is clearly controlling the article. My suggestion on talk paged were not acknowledged. I am a beginner at this but if I can't get it changed can we at least demand this whole sentence to be cited instead of just part of the sentence? In 2024, he was found guilty of falsifying business records, making him the first U.S. president to be convicted of a felony. Am I correct or is it following policy as is? Thank you <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:JaneenGingerich" title="User:JaneenGingerich">JaneenGingerich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaneenGingerich#top" title="User talk:JaneenGingerich">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JaneenGingerich" title="Special:Contributions/JaneenGingerich">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200-Donald_trump" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200-Donald_trump"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200-Donald_trump"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601AC47-20241127165900-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200"></span>Have you tried hashing out there beforehand? I'd do that first and foremost, especially concerning this, before bringing it here (for the millionth time). <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2601AC47" title="User talk:2601AC47">talk</a><big>·</big><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601AC47" title="Special:Contributions/2601AC47">contribs</a><big>·</big><a href="/wiki/Special:UserRights/2601AC47" title="Special:UserRights/2601AC47">my rights</a>) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#c-2601AC47-20241127165900-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601AC47-20241127165900-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601AC47-20241127165900-JaneenGingerich-20241127164200"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=1259888512">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=1259888512</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_noticeboards" title="Category:Wikipedia noticeboards">Wikipedia noticeboards</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_dispute_resolution" title="Category:Wikipedia dispute resolution">Wikipedia dispute resolution</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_move-protected_project_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia move-protected project pages">Wikipedia move-protected project pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 27 November 2024, at 16:59<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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