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Available in 64 languages" > <label id="p-lang-btn-label" for="p-lang-btn-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--action-progressive mw-portlet-lang-heading-64" aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-language-progressive mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-language-progressive"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">64 languages</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ar mw-list-item"><a href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D9%85%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA" title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان/منوعات – Arabic" lang="ar" hreflang="ar" data-title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان/منوعات" data-language-autonym="العربية" data-language-local-name="Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>العربية</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-an mw-list-item"><a href="https://an.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tabierna/Atros" title="Wikipedia:Tabierna/Atros – Aragonese" lang="an" hreflang="an" data-title="Wikipedia:Tabierna/Atros" data-language-autonym="Aragonés" data-language-local-name="Aragonese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Aragonés</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-as mw-list-item"><a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A7%B1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%B0_%E0%A6%9A%27%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE_(%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A7)" title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:ৰাইজৰ চ'ৰা (বিবিধ) – Assamese" lang="as" hreflang="as" data-title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:ৰাইজৰ চ'ৰা (বিবিধ)" data-language-autonym="অসমীয়া" data-language-local-name="Assamese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>অসমীয়া</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-av mw-list-item"><a href="https://av.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81" title="Википедия:Мажлис – Avaric" lang="av" hreflang="av" data-title="Википедия:Мажлис" data-language-autonym="Авар" data-language-local-name="Avaric" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Авар</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-az mw-list-item"><a href="https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:K%C9%99nd_meydan%C4%B1" title="Vikipediya:Kənd meydanı – Azerbaijani" lang="az" hreflang="az" data-title="Vikipediya:Kənd meydanı" data-language-autonym="Azərbaycanca" data-language-local-name="Azerbaijani" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Azərbaycanca</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-azb mw-list-item"><a href="https://azb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%A9%D9%86%D8%AF_%D9%85%D8%A6%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C/%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%DB%8C%D9%82" title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی/دانیشیق – South Azerbaijani" lang="azb" hreflang="azb" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی/دانیشیق" data-language-autonym="تۆرکجه" data-language-local-name="South Azerbaijani" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>تۆرکجه</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ba mw-list-item"><a href="https://ba.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D2%A0%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Ҡоролтай – Bashkir" lang="ba" hreflang="ba" data-title="Википедия:Ҡоролтай" data-language-autonym="Башҡортса" data-language-local-name="Bashkir" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Башҡортса</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-be mw-list-item"><a href="https://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8B%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Вікіпедыя:Форум – Belarusian" lang="be" hreflang="be" data-title="Вікіпедыя:Форум" data-language-autonym="Беларуская" data-language-local-name="Belarusian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Беларуская</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-be-x-old mw-list-item"><a href="https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8B%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Вікіпэдыя:Форум – Belarusian (Taraškievica orthography)" lang="be-tarask" hreflang="be-tarask" data-title="Вікіпэдыя:Форум" data-language-autonym="Беларуская (тарашкевіца)" data-language-local-name="Belarusian (Taraškievica orthography)" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Беларуская (тарашкевіца)</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bxr mw-list-item"><a href="https://bxr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%8D%D0%B4%D0%B8:Community_Portal" title="Википеэди:Community Portal – Russia Buriat" lang="bxr" hreflang="bxr" data-title="Википеэди:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Буряад" data-language-local-name="Russia Buriat" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Буряад</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cv mw-list-item"><a href="https://cv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BB%D1%83/%D0%9F%C4%95%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B5" title="Википеди:Канашлу/Пĕрле – Chuvash" lang="cv" hreflang="cv" data-title="Википеди:Канашлу/Пĕрле" data-language-autonym="Чӑвашла" data-language-local-name="Chuvash" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Чӑвашла</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou_(u_krbu)" title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou (u krbu) – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou (u krbu)" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dty mw-list-item"><a href="https://dty.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B_(%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो (विविध) – Doteli" lang="dty" hreflang="dty" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो (विविध)" data-language-autonym="डोटेली" data-language-local-name="Doteli" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>डोटेली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-myv mw-list-item"><a href="https://myv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%81%D1%8C:%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%BE/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%8D%D0%BD%D1%8C" title="Википедиясь:Мелькужо/Вейсэнь – Erzya" lang="myv" hreflang="myv" data-title="Википедиясь:Мелькужо/Вейсэнь" data-language-autonym="Эрзянь" data-language-local-name="Erzya" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Эрзянь</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-es mw-list-item"><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Miscel%C3%A1nea/Actual" title="Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Miscelánea/Actual – Spanish" lang="es" hreflang="es" data-title="Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Miscelánea/Actual" data-language-autonym="Español" data-language-local-name="Spanish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Español</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eo mw-list-item"><a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Diversejo" title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Diversejo – Esperanto" lang="eo" hreflang="eo" data-title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Diversejo" data-language-autonym="Esperanto" data-language-local-name="Esperanto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Esperanto</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%82%D9%87%D9%88%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87/%DA%AF%D9%88%D9%86%D8%A7%DA%AF%D9%88%D9%86" title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/گوناگون – Persian" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/گوناگون" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="Persian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>فارسی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gl mw-list-item"><a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A_Taberna_(xeral)" title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (xeral) – Galician" lang="gl" hreflang="gl" data-title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (xeral)" data-language-autonym="Galego" data-language-local-name="Galician" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Galego</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-inh mw-list-item"><a href="https://inh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википеди:Форум – Ingush" lang="inh" hreflang="inh" data-title="Википеди:Форум" data-language-autonym="ГӀалгӀай" data-language-local-name="Ingush" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ГӀалгӀай</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-glk mw-list-item"><a href="https://glk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%D9%82%D8%A3%D9%88%D9%87_%D8%AF%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A4%D9%86/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AE%DB%8C" title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/باخی – Gilaki" lang="glk" hreflang="glk" data-title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/باخی" data-language-autonym="گیلکی" data-language-local-name="Gilaki" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>گیلکی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gu mw-list-item"><a href="https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AA%B5%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%95%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%AA%E0%AB%80%E0%AA%A1%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%AF%E0%AA%BE:%E0%AA%9A%E0%AB%8B%E0%AA%A4%E0%AA%B0%E0%AB%8B_(%E0%AA%85%E0%AA%A8%E0%AB%8D%E0%AA%AF)" title="વિકિપીડિયા:ચોતરો (અન્ય) – Gujarati" lang="gu" hreflang="gu" data-title="વિકિપીડિયા:ચોતરો (અન્ય)" data-language-autonym="ગુજરાતી" data-language-local-name="Gujarati" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ગુજરાતી</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ko badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%91%EB%B0%A9_(%EC%9D%BC%EB%B0%98)" title="위키백과:사랑방 (일반) – Korean" lang="ko" hreflang="ko" data-title="위키백과:사랑방 (일반)" data-language-autonym="한국어" data-language-local-name="Korean" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>한국어</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ilo mw-list-item"><a href="https://ilo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Nadumaduma" title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Nadumaduma – Iloko" lang="ilo" hreflang="ilo" data-title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Nadumaduma" data-language-autonym="Ilokano" data-language-local-name="Iloko" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ilokano</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Lain-lain)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain) – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-he mw-list-item"><a href="https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%A8_%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A8" title="ויקיפדיה:כיכר העיר – Hebrew" lang="he" hreflang="he" data-title="ויקיפדיה:כיכר העיר" data-language-autonym="עברית" data-language-local-name="Hebrew" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>עברית</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jv mw-list-item"><a href="https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Angkringan_Liyan%C3%A9" title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Liyané – Javanese" lang="jv" hreflang="jv" data-title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Liyané" data-language-autonym="Jawa" data-language-local-name="Javanese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Jawa</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kk mw-list-item"><a href="https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%81%D2%9B%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80" title="Уикипедия:Форум/Басқалар – Kazakh" lang="kk" hreflang="kk" data-title="Уикипедия:Форум/Басқалар" data-language-autonym="Қазақша" data-language-local-name="Kazakh" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Қазақша</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ku mw-list-item"><a href="https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%AEk%C3%AEpediya:D%C3%AEwan_(tevl%C3%AEhev)" title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (tevlîhev) – Kurdish" lang="ku" hreflang="ku" data-title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (tevlîhev)" data-language-autonym="Kurdî" data-language-local-name="Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Kurdî</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lez mw-list-item"><a href="https://lez.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9A%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум/Кьилин форум – Lezghian" lang="lez" hreflang="lez" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Кьилин форум" data-language-autonym="Лезги" data-language-local-name="Lezghian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Лезги</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(egy%C3%A9b)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (egyéb) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (egyéb)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a href="https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D_(%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%95)" title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (പലവക) – Malayalam" lang="ml" hreflang="ml" data-title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (പലവക)" data-language-autonym="മലയാളം" data-language-local-name="Malayalam" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>മലയാളം</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kopi_(lain-lain)" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (lain-lain) – Malay" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (lain-lain)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="Malay" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Melayu</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mn mw-list-item"><a href="https://mn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D0%A5%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB/%D0%95%D1%80%D3%A9%D0%BD%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедиа:Хурал/Ерөнхий – Mongolian" lang="mn" hreflang="mn" data-title="Википедиа:Хурал/Ерөнхий" data-language-autonym="Монгол" data-language-local-name="Mongolian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Монгол</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%80%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%96%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%9B%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%86%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA_(%E1%80%A1%E1%80%91%E1%80%BD%E1%80%B1%E1%80%91%E1%80%BD%E1%80%B1)" title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (အထွေထွေ) – Burmese" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (အထွေထွေ)" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="Burmese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>မြန်မာဘာသာ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80_(%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (विविध) – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (विविध)" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-no mw-list-item"><a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget" title="Wikipedia:Torget – Norwegian Bokmål" lang="nb" hreflang="nb" data-title="Wikipedia:Torget" data-language-autonym="Norsk bokmål" data-language-local-name="Norwegian Bokmål" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Norsk bokmål</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-blk mw-list-item"><a href="https://blk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%81%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:Village_pump_(%E1%80%A1%E1%80%85%E1%80%BD%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%B8%E1%80%A1%E1%80%92%E1%80%9D%E1%80%BA%E1%82%8F)" title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အစွိုးအဒဝ်ႏ) – Pa'O" lang="blk" hreflang="blk" data-title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အစွိုးအဒဝ်ႏ)" data-language-autonym="ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ" data-language-local-name="Pa'O" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A8%D9%86%DA%89%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%81%D8%A7%DB%8C/%D8%A8%DB%90%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%DB%90%D9%84" title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/بېلابېل – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/بېلابېل" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>پښتو</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Og%C3%B3lne" title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Ogólne – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Ogólne" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Polski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt mw-list-item"><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/geral" title="Wikipédia:Esplanada/geral – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Esplanada/geral" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Português</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Форум/Общий – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Общий" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Русский</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%8D:%D0%9A%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D1%8D%D1%80_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80/%D0%A3%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%8B%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Уопсайынан кэпсэтии – Yakut" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Уопсайынан кэпсэтии" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="Yakut" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Саха тыла</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपीडिया:साहाय्यसभा – Sanskrit" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:साहाय्यसभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="Sanskrit" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>संस्कृतम्</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F:%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%9D%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%92_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%9A_(miscellaneous)" title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (miscellaneous) – Sinhala" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (miscellaneous)" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="Sinhala" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>සිංහල</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD_%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA" title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/متفرقات – Sindhi" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/متفرقات" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="Sindhi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>سنڌي</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sk mw-list-item"><a href="https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kaviare%C5%88/R%C3%B4zne" title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Rôzne – Slovak" lang="sk" hreflang="sk" data-title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Rôzne" data-language-autonym="Slovenčina" data-language-local-name="Slovak" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Slovenčina</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cu mw-list-item"><a href="https://cu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%94%D0%B4%D1%97%EA%99%97:%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8C%D1%89%D1%94%D0%BD%D0%B8%EA%99%97_%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B2%D1%A3%D1%82%D1%8A" title="Википєдїꙗ:Обьщєниꙗ съвѣтъ – Church Slavic" lang="cu" hreflang="cu" data-title="Википєдїꙗ:Обьщєниꙗ съвѣтъ" data-language-autonym="Словѣньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ" data-language-local-name="Church Slavic" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Словѣньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-szl mw-list-item"><a href="https://szl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Uog%C5%AFlne/Downe" title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Uogůlne/Downe – Silesian" lang="szl" hreflang="szl" data-title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Uogůlne/Downe" data-language-autonym="Ślůnski" data-language-local-name="Silesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ślůnski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ckb mw-list-item"><a href="https://ckb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%88%DB%95%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86_(%D8%AC%DB%86%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%AC%DB%86%D8%B1)" title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان (جۆراوجۆر) – Central Kurdish" lang="ckb" hreflang="ckb" data-title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان (جۆراوجۆر)" data-language-autonym="کوردی" data-language-local-name="Central Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>کوردی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE" title="Википедија:Трг/Разно – Serbian" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг/Разно" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="Serbian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Српски / srpski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-su mw-list-item"><a href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sawala_(nu_lian)" title="Wikipedia:Sawala (nu lian) – Sundanese" lang="su" hreflang="su" data-title="Wikipedia:Sawala (nu lian)" data-language-autonym="Sunda" data-language-local-name="Sundanese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Sunda</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fi mw-list-item"><a href="https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(sekalaista)" title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (sekalaista) – Finnish" lang="fi" hreflang="fi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (sekalaista)" data-language-autonym="Suomi" data-language-local-name="Finnish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Suomi</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tt mw-list-item"><a href="https://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B8_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Гомуми форум – Tatar" lang="tt" hreflang="tt" data-title="Википедия:Гомуми форум" data-language-autonym="Татарча / tatarça" data-language-local-name="Tatar" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Татарча / tatarça</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-shn mw-list-item"><a href="https://shn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%B6%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%BD%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%82%83%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%81%A2%E1%81%BC%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%99%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%B5%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88_(%E1%81%B5%E1%80%B0%E1%82%88%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88%E1%80%9C%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88)" title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ၵူႈလွင်ႈလွင်ႈ) – Shan" lang="shn" hreflang="shn" data-title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ၵူႈလွင်ႈလွင်ႈ)" data-language-autonym="ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး " data-language-local-name="Shan" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး </span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-te mw-list-item"><a href="https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%A1%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%BE:%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%9A%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%9A%E0%B0%AC%E0%B0%82%E0%B0%A1_(%E0%B0%87%E0%B0%A4%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%A4%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%BE)" title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ (ఇతరత్రా) – Telugu" lang="te" hreflang="te" data-title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ (ఇతరత్రా)" data-language-autonym="తెలుగు" data-language-local-name="Telugu" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>తెలుగు</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-th mw-list-item"><a href="https://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2:%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9F_(%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%96%E0%B8%B0)" title="วิกิพีเดีย:สภากาแฟ (จิปาถะ) – Thai" lang="th" hreflang="th" data-title="วิกิพีเดีย:สภากาแฟ (จิปาถะ)" data-language-autonym="ไทย" data-language-local-name="Thai" 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id="h-What_does_the_arbitration_committee_in_Wikipedia_do-20241109085500"></span>What does the arbitration committee in Wikipedia do<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_does_the_arbitration_committee_in_Wikipedia_do-20241109085500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: What does the arbitration committee in Wikipedia do"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500-What_does_the_arbitration_committee_in_Wikipedia_do"></span>What does it do? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Saankhyareddipalli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" 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title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241109091600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"></span>Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Bridger" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Phil Bridger">Phil Bridger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Bridger" title="User talk:Phil Bridger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Phil_Bridger-20241109091600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Bridger-20241109091600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Bridger-20241109091600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"></span>1) Deals with user behavior problems that our normal consensus process at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> can't handle. 2) Deals with administrator behavior problems. 3) Deals with anything related to private, off-wiki information. 4) Deals with certain unblock requests. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600"></span>Thanks for clearing my doubts <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Saankhyareddipalli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Saankhyareddipalli (page does not exist)">Saankhyareddipalli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saankhyareddipalli" title="User talk:Saankhyareddipalli">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Novem_Linguae-20241110025600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bri-20241118191700-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Saankhyareddipalli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Saankhyareddipalli (page does not exist)">Saankhyareddipalli</a>:</span> I encourage you to read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Tag/arbitrationreport" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Tag/arbitrationreport">archives of the Arbitration report</a> in <i>The Signpost</i>. Unfortunately, the report has been quiescent for a while. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Bri-20241118191700-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bri-20241118191700-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bri-20241118191700-Saankhyareddipalli-20241109085500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Bri-20241118191700"></span>Thanks for clearing my doubts. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Saankhyareddipalli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Saankhyareddipalli (page does not exist)">Saankhyareddipalli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saankhyareddipalli" title="User talk:Saankhyareddipalli">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Bri-20241118191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Bri-20241118191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saankhyareddipalli-20241120101400-Bri-20241118191700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Real_Clear_Politics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Real_Clear_Politics-20241115230500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Real_Clear_Politics-20241115230500"></span>Real Clear Politics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Real_Clear_Politics-20241115230500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Real Clear Politics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ticketmand-20241115230500-Real_Clear_Politics"></span>Why was Real Clear Politics deleted prior to the election and then put back in to 2024 Poll averages afterward? It turns out they were the most accurate of the aggregaters. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ticketmand&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ticketmand (page does not exist)">Ticketmand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ticketmand" title="User talk:Ticketmand">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Ticketmand-20241115230500-Real_Clear_Politics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ticketmand-20241115230500-Real_Clear_Politics"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ticketmand-20241115230500-Real_Clear_Politics"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700-Ticketmand-20241115230500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ticketmand&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ticketmand (page does not exist)">Ticketmand</a>, which article(s) are you talking about? <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700-Ticketmand-20241115230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700-Ticketmand-20241115230500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700-Ticketmand-20241115230500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election" title="Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 United States presidential election"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.241.148.122-20241116054200-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700"></span>Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 United States presidential election</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.241.148.122" title="Special:Contributions/72.241.148.122">72.241.148.122</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.241.148.122&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.241.148.122 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-72.241.148.122-20241116054200-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.241.148.122-20241116054200-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.241.148.122-20241116054200-WhatamIdoing-20241116050700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ticketmand-20241116054600-72.241.148.122-20241116054200"></span>@https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/how-americas-accurate-election-polls?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=j0rzu <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ticketmand&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ticketmand (page does not exist)">Ticketmand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ticketmand" title="User talk:Ticketmand">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Ticketmand-20241116054600-72.241.148.122-20241116054200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ticketmand-20241116054600-72.241.148.122-20241116054200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ticketmand-20241116054600-72.241.148.122-20241116054200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500-Ticketmand-20241116054600"></span>Welcome to Wikipedia, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ticketmand&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ticketmand (page does not exist)">Ticketmand</a>. Have you figured out how to read <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election&action=history">the article's history page</a> yet? If not, then <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">Help:Page history</a> might be useful. Looking through the history of the page, it looks like several different editors added or removed that particular poll multiple times, so whether it was in the article or not depends on when you were looking.</dd> <dd>There are also multiple discussions at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election" title="Talk:Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 United States presidential election">Talk:Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 United States presidential election</a> about the expected standards for included poll aggregators, and specifically whether to include RCP. As you can see, different people had different ideas about what's best. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500-Ticketmand-20241116054600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500-Ticketmand-20241116054600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500-Ticketmand-20241116054600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Weller-20241117164500-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500"></span>I don't think it is a reliable source. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSNP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSNP">WP:RSNP</a> which has it yellow, "There is no consensus as to RealClearPolitics's reliability. They appear to have the trappings of a reliable source, but their tactics in news reporting suggest they may be publishing non-factual or misleading information. Use as a source in a Wikipedia article should probably only be done with caution, and better yet should be avoided." <a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Weller" title="User:Doug Weller"><span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller" title="User talk:Doug Weller">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Doug_Weller-20241117164500-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Weller-20241117164500-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Weller-20241117164500-WhatamIdoing-20241116071500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blueboar-20241117171700-Doug_Weller-20241117164500"></span>My personal take: the goal of any poll is to statistically reflect opinion. As such, <i>reliability</i> is the wrong metric to use when deciding whether to mention a specific poll. Instead, we should judge it based on <i>DUE/UNDUE weight</i> (as we would other forms of opinion reporting). How often is the specific poll cited in sources? Is it “note<i>worthy</i>” or not? <a href="/wiki/User:Blueboar" title="User:Blueboar">Blueboar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blueboar" title="User talk:Blueboar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Blueboar-20241117171700-Doug_Weller-20241117164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blueboar-20241117171700-Doug_Weller-20241117164500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blueboar-20241117171700-Doug_Weller-20241117164500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241117195900-Blueboar-20241117171700"></span>I agree with Blueboar. In that article, they're all being used as primary sources. They are reliable for the claim being supported (which is "This poll said this on this date", not "This candidate is going to win" or "This poll is correct"). Editors should use their judgment about which ones to include, and they should take into account factors such as how much attention this or that poll is getting in independent sources. Overall, I think a certain amount of back-and-forth is just to be expected, as different polls will get more or less attention over time. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-WhatamIdoing-20241117195900-Blueboar-20241117171700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241117195900-Blueboar-20241117171700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20241117195900-Blueboar-20241117171700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Donation_season_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Donation_season_again-20241120191700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Donation_season_again-20241120191700"></span>Donation season again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Donation_season_again-20241120191700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Donation season again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pelagic-20241120191700-Donation_season_again"></span>“The internet we were promised. 21 November: An important update for readers in Australia. You deserve an explanation, so please don't skip this 1-minute read. It's Thursday, 21 November, and this message will be up for only a few hours.”</i> </p><p>The same damn message I saw 2 weeks ago. Seriously, do they put it up for a few hours the turn it off for a few hours in alternation? </p><p>Or is there a timestamp such that each cookie-bearing individual only sees the message for a few hours (or until the Cookie Monster visits and clears their tokens)? </p><p>I deserve an explanation. </p><p>At least now it is “we ask you, sincerely” instead of “we ask you, humbly”. The fake humility used to grind my gears. </p><p>. ⁓ <a href="/wiki/User:Pelagic" title="User:Pelagic">Pelagic</a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelagic" title="User talk:Pelagic">messages</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#c-Pelagic-20241120191700-Donation_season_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pelagic-20241120191700-Donation_season_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pelagic-20241120191700-Donation_season_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241120214900-Pelagic-20241120191700"></span>Pre-<a href="/wiki/GivingTuesday" title="GivingTuesday">GivingTuesday</a>, I understand that the main US-focused campaign often runs for a few hours here and there, or perhaps a whole day, depending on what they need to test.</dd> <dd>That said, the timing varies by country, though, so I'm not sure whether you're seeing testing at the moment or if this is the 'normal' campaign for your location. 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