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It is now the first region of mainland Spain to <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10784611">ban bullfighting</a>. Do you agree with a ban? 180,000 people have signed a petition arguing that the practice is barbaric and outdated. Bullfight supporters insist that the corrida, as it is known, is an important tradition to preserve. Some believe that the ban isn't about animal rights but is an attempt by <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Catalonia">Catalans</a> to mark their difference from the rest of Spain by rejecting one of its best known traditions. What impact will outlawing the corrida have on Spanish culture and livelihoods? 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If this is the case, then banning it is pointless, as it will endure a slow, painful death, unlike the unfortunate bulls, through economic starvation. It is, however, part of Spanish culture, therefore it is up to Spaniards to decide and no-one else. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98815325&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98815573" class=" stripe">2. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98815573" name="comment2">09:52am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14354950">totally_bill_hicks</a> wrote:</cite>Until we effectively ban blood sports in this country (i.e. in such a way that does not allow hunts to continue without sanction, claiming any kills are an 'accident') I don't think we're in any position to comment on what other countries propose to do! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98815573&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98815652" class="">3. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98815652" name="comment3">09:54am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2250136">Rufus McDufus</a> wrote:</cite>I think it definitely should, but it's not down to us - it's down to the Spaniards. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98815652&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98815689" class=" stripe">4. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98815689" name="comment4">09:55am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14490654">krokodil</a> wrote:</cite>At least their proposed ban is not based on the thinly disguised class war notions that did for hunting in britain. Its a spanish decision for them to make at the end of the day. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98815689&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98815695" class="">5. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98815695" name="comment5">09:55am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14557869">Togodubnus</a> wrote:</cite>If it was up to me and the event took place in Britain I'd see it banned tommorow. But its a Spanish tradition, a deeply unpleasant one, but theirs none the less, possibly going back to Roman times, possibly much more recent depending on which version you choose to believe. So lets leave them alone to decide for themselves. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98815695&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98815982" class=" stripe">6. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98815982" name="comment6">10:02am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14340441">Megan</a> wrote:</cite>I'm inherently not in favour of legal bans... if you do not believe an action is right, do not participate, even campaign against it if you feel that strongly: but nobody has the right to demand that another should change his ways purely on the strength of how they feel about it. At least make the effort to persuade the other... But in the end it is up to the Catalan people to decide what they want to do, and what they wish to give up. So if they choose to end the corrida, their decision must be respected. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98815982&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98816411" class="">7. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98816411" name="comment7">10:10am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14304858">ruffled_feathers</a> wrote:</cite>I really cannot understand why anyone enjoys watching an animal being baited and killed. Bull fighting occurs elsewhere without such a finish. Ah, but it's another tradition, isn't it? Traditions can be wonderful. Traditions can be barbaric. Nothing, wonderful or barbaric, should be continued simply because it is a tradition - where has reasoning power gone? How many gentle pasttimes are carried on because of tradition? And how many cruel or barbaric pasttimes are carried on or attempted to be revived because they are traditional? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98816411&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98816472" class=" stripe">8. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98816472" name="comment8">10:12am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14033504">Len Day</a> wrote:</cite>I wouldn't dare to presume to tell the Spanish what they can & can't do in their own country, especially in matters that concern their culture. It is up to the Spanish only, and no-one else. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98816472&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98816979" class="">9. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98816979" name="comment9">10:21am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2800898">Jose Fernandez</a> wrote:</cite>I am against bull fighting but in favour of the tradition. These bulls live far longer than any bull that doesn't end up in the arena. Those bulls are sold as veal and eaten while they are still babies. I think this vote is more a vote against Spain than a vote in favour of animal rights. The fact that no-one in Catalunya has a problem with the Correbous, a Catalan tradition where the horns of a bull are lit and the animal then let loose in the village, proves this as far as I am concerned. By the way, Catalunya is Spain, look at your DNI and listen to more than 65% of Catalonians! Visca Catalunya dins d'Espanya! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98816979&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98817035" class=" stripe">10. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98817035" name="comment10">10:22am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14362019">Nakor</a> wrote:</cite>One half of me say "Yes "it should be banned but then I think it's a barbaric pastime and should be condemned with the likes of fox hunting with hounds, Dog Fighting, Badger Baiting etc. The other says well if the people vote against the ban then actually it's none of my busines and I don't live there anyway. Just because it was/is "Tradition" doesn't mean it has to stay regardles <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98817035&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98817324" class="">11. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98817324" name="comment11">10:28am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14353903">Simon Morgan</a> wrote:</cite>Bull-fighting is a blood sport, like any other. More enlightened nations have already banned all blood sports, and it is imperative for Spain (not just Catalonia) to do likewise if it wishes to be seen as a modern, progressive country and society. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98817324&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98817457" class=" stripe">12. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98817457" name="comment12">10:31am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14099740">Toothpick Harry</a> wrote:</cite> Definately yes, the human race should have realised by now that killing for fun and entertainment is barbaric and wrong. Every animal has feelings just like us, yet we still deprive them of their dignity and right to a peacful non violent life. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98817457&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98817500" class="">13. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98817500" name="comment13">10:32am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14350205">Andrew Lye</a> wrote:</cite>With all the interference in what we can do in the UK, I am surprised that the EU has allowed Spain (and other nations) to continue this barbaric and inhumane actiivity. It cannot be described as a sport as its sole aim is the death of a bull by an inhumane activity. If tourists stopped watching it, presumably that would kill off this activity. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98817500&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98817532" class=" stripe">14. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98817532" name="comment14">10:32am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=8123632">Aziz Merchant</a> wrote:</cite> I cannot gauge the pulse of the majority of Spaniards on the traditional issue of bull-fighting but here in India I can safely bet that the fighting in the holy portals of the Parliament amongst the members of the treasury benches and the opposition is much more realistic and rambunctious than bull-fighting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98817532&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98817611" class="">15. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98817611" name="comment15">10:34am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14378308">devilzadvacate1</a> wrote:</cite>I'm not really sure on this one; perhaps we should ask the bulls for their opinion. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98817611&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818084" class=" stripe">16. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818084" name="comment16">10:43am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14341985">Davidethics</a> wrote:</cite> Bull fighting is dying. It probably needs EU financial support to maintain it. Supporters will say it is part of Spanish culture - that kind of drivel can be used to defend any obnoxious sport - like quail fighting in the UK eh. Must not mention that must we? Upset the ethnics. Bullfighting was still popular during the 1950s which is why Hollywood stars had affairs with Matadors. Now it would be bad publicity for them. Today's stars are the footballers. Even if the vote against it is lost on this occasion its days are numbered. Bloodsports are on the way out. Sadly, our PM, is a supporter of blood sports, but then he is showing himself to be out of touch on most moral and political issues. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818084&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818170" class="">17. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818170" name="comment17">10:45am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14389916">MsVictoria</a> wrote:</cite>This is another thing the UK needs to keep their noses out of. Regardless of our views it's entirely up to them to decide. Catalonia has a population of around 7.5m so 180k votes is a tiny minority. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818170&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818383" class=" stripe">18. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818383" name="comment18">10:49am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2067986">Tio Terry</a> wrote:</cite> I've been to a corrida de toros, in Rhonda, not far from where my second home is. I felt that as I intend to retire to Spain I should make the effort to speak the language and understand the culture. The public interest is falling rapidly and it's generally the older generations that have interest, the younger generation show very little interest. My local bullring at Puerto Banus closed down some time ago because of a lack of interest. It's something that will die out before long any way. It's a matter for the Spanish to decide, it's their history and culture, only they have the right to change it. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818383&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818716" class="">19. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818716" name="comment19">10:55am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567983">orm_bcn86</a> wrote:</cite>I'm catalan and really proud of the decision of our parliament to ban bullfighting. Although Catalonia is not the first spanish region to ban it, the Canary Islands did the same in 1991. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818716&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818729" class=" stripe">20. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818729" name="comment20">10:55am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2460529">Wyn</a> wrote:</cite>"Should bullfighting be outlawed?" It's a decision for Spain but - IMO definitely yes. Along with all other so called 'sports' which involves the torturing or chasing of animals before they're finally finished off or ripped apart by packs of dogs. I think there's also a case to be made for banning other sports which depend on killing things - such as deer hunting pheasant/grouse shooting etc. I'm absolutely certain that I have at least as much fun banging away at clays and shooting at targets that are 500 metres or more away as those that insist on killing things. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818729&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818799" class="">21. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818799" name="comment21">10:57am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14508136">samalm</a> wrote:</cite>The Catalan Parliament has just voted to ban bullfighting in the region or, more accurately, to remove the exception it enjoyed within the animal welfare legislation. This is the second Spanish Region to do so (Canary Islands did in 1991). As a Spaniard, I feel very happy and can only hope this trend will continue in other regions. It is specially enjoyable the fact that this ruling is the result of a popular legislative initiative (IPL in Spanish), where 180,000 citizens requested the Regional Parliament to remove the special status enjoyed by bullfighting. And so, it is a sign that more and more Spaniards reject bullfighting and other forms of abuse towards animals. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818799&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818968" class=" stripe">22. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818968" name="comment22">11:00am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14205636">Grubble</a> wrote:</cite>Ban the fighting. Stop killing the bulls in this way. If you have to eat their meat, do it in such a way that they feel no pain or anguish. I ate bulls meat once. It was a mistake. It was a long time ago, but I can still remember it. It was tough, bony, gristly. The bull had been slaughtered that very afternoon, in the ring nearby. I was invited to witness the execution, but I didn't have the stomach for it. Once, the bull fighting goes, it will have to be replaced with another spectical, perhaps some form of gladiator competitions. There are plenty of people who'd be willing to take part. Alternatively, provide more football. Use the Dutch coach to show them how it's done in Holland. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818968&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98818991" class="">23. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98818991" name="comment23">11:01am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567992">weeyinz27</a> wrote:</cite>Ok I'm not spanish but as the act of bull fighting for sport or fun is a horrendous and barbaric act I feel I am entitled to speak my opinion. We live in a world now where no matter where we live we interject ourselves into situtaions that are not always to do with us per say but as caring creatures should we not stand strong against those that oppose these simple unbarbaric, caring ideals we all want to live by? It is an outdated disgusting tradition that needs to be abolished. We as human beings need to speak out for those that cannot for themselves and although I'm sure some of you will find this ridiculous, animals are included in this. It is a sad day when traditions come to an end but this tradition is one our world can gladly live without. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98818991&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819012" class=" stripe">24. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819012" name="comment24">11:01am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567997">andrew john</a> wrote:</cite> bull fighting,dog fighting, boxing, the list is endless. and how long have we been out of the caves ? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819012&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819071" class="">25. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819071" name="comment25">11:02am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14414904">Jade</a> wrote:</cite> It's entirely up to the Catalonians to decided. I can understand both their cultural and economic concerns. As regards the latter, might they not convert to the French style of bull-fighting, where the animal is not killed? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819071&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819072" class=" stripe">26. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819072" name="comment26">11:02am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13960748">FrankandTomsDad</a> wrote:</cite>It's Spanish culture, it's for them to decide. If the country is ready to make a change like this then I would welcome it, if they are not then so be it. I don't remember them pontificating about foxes. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819072&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819084" class="">27. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819084" name="comment27">11:02am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14420649">Yorkshire_Pudding</a> wrote:</cite> As an animal lover I will always be against any form of animal cruelty - and bull fighting in my opinion is highly barbric... just as barbaric as foxhunting. But its not my history or culture, my upbringing did not include killing animals as a form of entertainment. Whatever my personal beliefs are though are irrevelant - this is Spains heritage, handed down for hundreds of years, and is therefore Spains decision. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819084&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819092" class=" stripe">28. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819092" name="comment28">11:02am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14476531">RubbishGirl</a> wrote:</cite> Personally I find the Corrida barbaric and the fact it's called a "sport" is just plain wrong as there is usually only one inevitable winner (it's not the bull)IMHO if you want to look like a "big man" put your spears down and get in that ring naked as the day you were born, if you manage to take a bull down like that I'll be impressed, till then the whole affair seems like little more than macho posturing. That being said, & my personal opinions aside, it's a Catalan decision and not really one for the rest of the world to interfere in, so here I sit in my disapproval hoping that they ban it. As for the questions posed "what effect will the ban have on spanish culture & livlihoods & what will be the effect on other regions of mainland spain" I believe the Spanish would like to think their culture is based on more than getting a bit stabby with a bull, this is a country brimfull of culture so no effect there. Livelihoods? Well this one was bleated around when foxhunting was banned in the UK and yet I'm still not seeing packs of out of work beagles, saddlers and stableboys roaming the countryside causing trouble, so no effect there either. The effect on other regions? Hopefully they'll realise there's no need for this spectacle anymore, there's a good reason outdated practices get consigned to the dustbin. The Spanish are better off without it. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819092&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819169" class="">29. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819169" name="comment29">11:04am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14072857">Frenske</a> wrote:</cite>None of our business. It is Spanish tradition and they should decide about it. I'm sure the bull lived a better life than most the British meat stock including battery hens. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819169&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819266" class=" stripe">30. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819266" name="comment30">11:05am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14470180">Damcat</a> wrote:</cite> I think bulfighting shoud be ban, it has been ban in the Canary Islands since 1991. Unfortunatelly, the only region in spanish mainland considering the ban is Catalonia, and like everything we catalans do, has become a political issue. Bullfighting has suffer a descend in popularity, and there is only one bullfighting ring left open in Catalonia, and is mainly visited by turist. Perhaps the right thing to do is let the "fiesta" die agonically, but that will be cruel. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819266&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819299" class="">31. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819299" name="comment31">11:06am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568004">Sean Piggott</a> wrote:</cite> I'm surprised by this as most people I know here think it already has been banned. There hasn't been any bull fighting at the 'main' bullring, on Placa Espana in Barcelona, recently as it's spent the last 3 years at least being turned into a shopping mall. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819299&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819414" class=" stripe">32. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819414" name="comment32">11:08am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2350691">trenator</a> wrote:</cite> Great news: the ban has won with 68 votes in favour, 55 against, 9 abstained. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10784611">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10784611</a> The Spanish Constitutional Court may overturn the ban (as they did last month with the Catalan Estatut, or devolution framework, which had also been approved by Parliament) but this is a victory for common sense and enlightement over barbarism. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819414&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819486" class="">33. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819486" name="comment33">11:09am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14353020">thomas</a> wrote:</cite> None of our business. Let the Spanish people decide for themselves. As one of my granddaughters once remarked. 'If we save the whale we are condemning the krill to an early death'. I wonder why one form of life is deemed more important than another. I digress - it is not our business to save the bull and say to the devil with Spanish culture and tradition. Butt out Britain. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819486&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819552" class=" stripe">34. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819552" name="comment34">11:10am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14296486">Roger Smith</a> wrote:</cite>Leave it be, this 'sport' is declining anyway and as time marches on will dissapear due to diminishing support, cost of bullring maintinance and lack of participants, leve these blood sports to naturally dissapear as society becomes more sophistocated. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819552&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819584" class="">35. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819584" name="comment35">11:11am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14354469">th3_0r4cl3</a> wrote:</cite>I am a carnivore, i love a good tender juicy Steak. The tradition in Spain goes back to prehistoric times, and is linked to the worship of Mithra which died out around the 4th century AD. Many aspects of this "cult" have been included in successive religions, including Christianity. Walk into any church and you will find a large effigy of a sacrificed human being. with a mithraic sun crown. Personally i do not find it any more barbaric than lining cattle up and using a bolt gun to kill the animal whilst the other cattle can see their fate. Should the Spanish ban the sport, only if they see fit to do so. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819584&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819587" class=" stripe">36. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819587" name="comment36">11:11am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14557869">Togodubnus</a> wrote:</cite> 2. At 09:52am on 28 Jul 2010, totally_bill_hicks wrote: Until we effectively ban blood sports in this country (i.e. in such a way that does not allow hunts to continue without sanction, claiming any kills are an 'accident') I don't think we're in any position to comment on what other countries propose to do! ---- I've lived in the countryside most of my life and i've grown up with people who now hunt. Fox-hunting in the UK isn't really how its presented to general public. It has very little to do with pest control - if a farmer has a problem with foxes, they don't pick up the red telephone and call the Hunt - they put down poison or traps, regardless of the law, protecting their livestock comes first. The Hunt is a mixture of social occasion,pageantry and tradition, and thats why its been so hard to stop. Those who participate genuinely enjoy the occasion. If the spanish feel the same about bullfighting, then any ban will be equally ineffectual, although the logistics of arranging an underground bullfight might prove quite interesting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819587&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819609" class="">37. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819609" name="comment37">11:11am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14540374">LabourBrokeBritain</a> wrote:</cite>I ABSOLUTELY HATE todays obsession with banning things. The only ban I would support is a ban on people who wants to ban things. For gods sake just leave people and their traditions along. It is a part of Spanish culture and heritage and it should be left alone. The moaning minority have always got something to whine about whether its bull fighting, boxing, the fantastic Isle of Man TT, hunting, films or computer games. You are a minority get over yourselves and stop making other peoples lives unpleasant with your incessant whingeing. We don't want to hear you anymore. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819609&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819629" class=" stripe">38. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819629" name="comment38">11:11am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568001">Dave</a> wrote:</cite>Megan - what on earth are you talking about? There are 'legal bans' on a whole range of things that I am sure you are in agreement with. Murder,theft rape? Or should we leave that to the individual? The real difference is you don't see animals worthy of legal protection from injury and harm. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819629&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819784" class="">39. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819784" name="comment39">11:14am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568005">eltoro</a> wrote:</cite> Catalonia has already been through the bullfighting ban before. About three years ago,relying on the public voice and support of the anti-bullfighting campaigners of Barcelona a secret ballot vote was passed. It was then considered illegal and the vote was reversed. Catalonians see this as very public way to separate themselves from the rest of Spain. I'm sure they'll get it right this time and it'll be banned - in Barcelona. Here in Seville, Andalucia, the local people are very pro-bullfight.It's an industry that is much needed in these tough times in Andalusia.If after Barcelona pass the ban,Seville is asked to consider it too, I'm sure the reaction will be the same as last time and it will be thrown in the bin without a discussion. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819784&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819811" class=" stripe">40. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819811" name="comment40">11:15am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14258827">inmyshoes</a> wrote:</cite> I think this is fantastic news and I commend the Catalan people and legislature... I'm a little suprised how many people think that issue is entirely a matter for the Spanish people whilst at the same time agreeing that bull baiting is cruel: I agree that it must be decided by the people of Spain for legal reasons, but since when did morality have a nationality? Would you say that slavery, female genital mutiliation, war crimes, bear bile farming and forced marriage are all issues on which we should remain nobly silent whilst at the same time disagreeing with the practice? No! We may not have a vote on the issue but we have every right - indeed we have a responsibility - to fight for the rights of the oppressed, wherever they are in the world. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819811&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819869" class="">41. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819869" name="comment41">11:16am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14562515">alanseago</a> wrote:</cite> Let us now see the end of Spain's cruel traditions. Following public protest they ceased to crush donkeys and to hurl goats from church roofs. We should also remember that bullfighting is popular in southern France. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819869&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819918" class=" stripe">42. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819918" name="comment42">11:17am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14466486">olorin11</a> wrote:</cite> None of you has any conception of what it is to be a bull. Where do you get off deciding that there is no harm done when you kill them for your own amusement? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819918&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819926" class="">43. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819926" name="comment43">11:17am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14454508">GU27XH</a> wrote:</cite>Honestly, I agree with Ernest Hemingway - "I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after". This debate is similar in nature when an animal is killed for meat or clothing, and the nature of killing is important to some to justify the 'moral' and 'reasoning'. And, while some debate the benefits of meat and will not eat the same on 'moral' grounds if they are asked to kill the animal for food. Therefore, on the same basis as long as you can argue of being vegetarian or not in context to killing an animal; one can argue the killing of animal in the bull ring!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819926&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819951" class=" stripe">44. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819951" name="comment44">11:17am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568009">lenbehr</a> wrote:</cite> I believe that when the world sees that a whole country carries on a barbaric, senseless tradition that is nothing more than the cruel torture of an animal, it truly hurts that nation's image and each of its citizens mental well being. I am one of many who see Spain as a wonderful place, beautiful and enchanting, with a major flaw... it's people are still living in a dream world supported by a cruel, sick sport. Spain needs to wake up to this very ugly side of its culture and reject it... this is long overdue. To excuse this behavior as a tradition and thereby untouchable denies man's ability to think and grow and is unacceptable. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819951&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98819952" class="">45. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98819952" name="comment45">11:17am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14449351">wanna_be_free</a> wrote:</cite> It is already banned in the UK. Anywhere else is none of our business. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98819952&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820071" class=" stripe">46. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820071" name="comment46">11:19am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14354978">mike</a> wrote:</cite>Bravo Catalonia! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820071&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820089" class="">47. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820089" name="comment47">11:20am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14387484">mckissock</a> wrote:</cite> I live in catalonia and have a catalan wife. Here it is considered a barbaric activity, and an extremely negative image to give tourists. especially as it is a strictly Spanish activity rather that a catalan one. I think for the catalan identity it is important to make this difference between Spain and the catalans, especially given the latest political tensions in the peninsula. It is felt that Spain is forcing its "spanishness" upon catalonia, who were forced into the spanish "country" through conquest and political repression. Finally , the catalans are taking the fight to spain and saying that enough is enough. ben fet i visca catalonia lluire <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820089&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820229" class=" stripe">48. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820229" name="comment48">11:22am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=3333645">nomembername</a> wrote:</cite> In the twenty-first Century can we not come up with other ways to annoy animals that don't involve killing them? Why do people want to annoy animals anyway? If people want to show how brave they are, can they not find other more positive ways of doing so? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820229&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820248" class="">49. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820248" name="comment49">11:22am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568018">Maico</a> wrote:</cite> I am Spanish and I have my heart in two places, I am fully aware that its barbaric and the bulls suffer immensely,no question about this, but I also love the art of bullfighting and I am an avid fan, and have been many many times, Apart from football, Bullfighting comes second in the Spanish Calendar, The North of Spain has never been an avid supporter of Bullfighting, but the South...are as passionate to Bullfighting as they are too football. Catalunya has always been in the forefront of change and this marks a historical move for them in their quest for independance and ultimately a Catalunya separate from Spain. Going back to Bullfighting, trust me there are alot more barbaric acts thoroughout Europe which doesn't get half as much scope as Bullfighting does, La Mattanza in Italy, Bears in Romania to name a few. We can all comment but ultimately this is for the Spanish people and the decision must come from them. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820248&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820299" class=" stripe">50. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820299" name="comment50">11:23am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14557869">Togodubnus</a> wrote:</cite> 13. At 10:32am on 28 Jul 2010, Andrew Lye wrote: With all the interference in what we can do in the UK, I am surprised that the EU has allowed Spain (and other nations) to continue this barbaric and inhumane actiivity. ----- Sorry, did I miss the ban on Morris Dancing? What local traditions, in any member country, has the EU ever tried to ban? (Urban myths like 'bendy bananas' not accepted as legitimate answers. usual terms and conditions apply...) <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820299&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820455" class="">51. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820455" name="comment51">11:26am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568007">Samreg</a> wrote:</cite>I suppose this is up to Barcelona and we should stop patronising them by telling the Spanish what to do within their culture. On a personal level, I am a British aficionado of bullfighting and I find this very sad. On another level, I'm a libertarian so I don't like governments who ban things! I tend to find that they ultimately regret their lack of tolerance. As some are aware this has far more to do with the intricate and divisive politics the regions of Spain than cruelty to animals. I can't be bothered to respond to most of the comments about what happens during a corrida. Suffice it to say that almost everything you read in an english speaking paper contains major errors, put about by PETA and the like. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820455&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820472" class=" stripe">52. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820472" name="comment52">11:26am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14479357">matrix50</a> wrote:</cite> Yes, absolutely should be banned. It is barbaric. I don't buy into the nonsense it is an "important tradition". It used to be tradition to feed children to the lions in Rome or hang them publicly for theft in England but we've grown beyond that. Some traditions are simply wrong. Period. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820472&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820603" class="">53. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820603" name="comment53">11:29am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14086951">General_Jack_Ripper</a> wrote:</cite>I've been to bullfights in the past when staying with friends in Spain and Portugal and to be honest I preferred the version were the bull doesn't die. There are several bullfighting groups that do not use lances, knives and swords and the bulls suffer no physical injuries during the performance. For me, this is a greater display of skill and courage but then I haven't grown up in a country where bullfighting is a national tradition. I'm afraid I find the suffering argument to be little bit hypocritical, intensively farmed animals suffer far more and for far longer than any fighting bull ever will yet the vast majority of people are more than happy to condone and support this form of suffering because it is out of sight and provides them with cheap meat. I would also suggest that Kosher and Halal butchering is just as cruel as bullfighting but because it is done behind closed doors most people don't consider it to be an issue. If we're going to discuss animal welfare then we need to do so in a way that includes all forms of animal suffering from the ritual, traditional and industrial otherwise it is nothing less than a witch hunt against public displays of suffering that involve tiny numbers of animals while those forms of suffering that goes on behind closed doors and causes suffering on an industrial scale gets ignored. In all honesty I find caged pig farming and battery chicken sheds far more disgusting than bullfighting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820603&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820871" class=" stripe">54. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820871" name="comment54">11:34am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14369517">Icebloo</a> wrote:</cite> Yes I think bullfighting should be banned. I don't care if people claim it's tradition - it is cruel. If tradition over rules progress and common sense then we would never have progressed. Before we step in and tell Spain about animal cruelty we also need to get our own house in order - I'm getting ready to fight tooth and nail to keep fox hunting banned in the UK. I just know the Tories and the Liberals are going to attempt to bring it back for the rich and the Royal Family. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820871&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98820949" class="">55. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98820949" name="comment55">11:36am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13985593">smilingparrotfan</a> wrote:</cite> Of course it should be banned. I question the mentality of anyone who gets excited and cheers when an animal is being killed for fun. And before some bright spark mentions killing animals for meat, no, I don't eat meat. I'm put off by the idea of eating anything with a face. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98820949&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821172" class=" stripe">56. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821172" name="comment56">11:39am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14363898">Eddie</a> wrote:</cite>It's a matter for the folks that live there - but if I had any say in the matter, I'd say ban it. The idea of slowly hacking an animal to death for fun is, to say the least, a bit medieval. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821172&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821194" class="">57. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821194" name="comment57">11:40am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14455255">frankie</a> wrote:</cite> Excellent. It is barbaric and primitive. They even hone down the bulls horns so that they are extra sensitive, sheer barbarism. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821194&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821238" class=" stripe">58. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821238" name="comment58">11:41am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355935">Phillip of England </a> wrote:</cite>11. At 10:28am on 28 Jul 2010, Simon Morgan wrote: Bull-fighting is a blood sport, like any other. More enlightened nations have already banned all blood sports, and it is imperative for Spain (not just Catalonia) to do likewise if it wishes to be seen as a modern, progressive country and society. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- A truly modern and progressive nation and culture does not seek to impose its current moral whims and fancies upon other members of that nation. Don't be so crass! A truly modern and progressive nation should be able to persuade through reasoned argument and be able to convince those adherents to bullfighting that the sport is cruel and should be ended through mutual agreement. Open dialogue, reasoned argument and the ability to live and let live are the true mark of a modern, progressive nation, not using laws to bully and enforce modern cultural morality onto others. Whilst no great fan of blood sports, I am even less enamored of this drive to brow beat people out of activities they have seen as cultural norms for centuries, whether you think it barbaric or not. As many have already said, bullfighting is on the wane anyway, so there is nothing wrong with allowing it to slip quietly into the annals of history as it will inevitably do so. But all of this is academic anyway as this is a Spanish and Catalan issue and absolutely nothing to do with us here in the UK. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821238&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821243" class="">59. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821243" name="comment59">11:41am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14387418">JeffWode</a> wrote:</cite>Ban bullfighting? No way! I just love the cultural experience of watching a clown prance around, torment a bull and kill it slowly. My, how brave the matador must be against the mighty bull! The sadism and the blood is absolutely thrilling! It really is the best thing about Spain! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821243&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821337" class=" stripe">60. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821337" name="comment60">11:42am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=12495080">Pancha Chandra</a> wrote:</cite>Bull-fighting is one of Catalonia's best known tradions but the sport is most certainly barbaric and highly dangerous. In the 21st century one should sift between safe traditions and dangerous ones. Just think of the agony and suffering; sport should be devoid of cruelty. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821337&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821419" class="">61. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821419" name="comment61">11:44am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14249153">David Traynier</a> wrote:</cite>It's a decision for the Spaniards, naturally, but the rest of us are allowed to offer an opinion. In my opinion, any 'recreation' that involves inflicting suffering on an animal is wrong: hunting, shooting, fishing, baiting -it doesn't matter. They're all revolting practices carried out by callous or sadistic people who see animals as a means to human pleasure and not as thinking, feeling living beings in their own right. The notion that such 'sports' are tradition is merely an observation not an argument. Putting a cat in a bag and suspending it over a fire was a tradition but now it has thankfully passed. Those of us in Britain who claim to care about animals and oppose cruelty should concern ourselves with our own actions first and foremost. I do my bit: I've been a campaigner against hunting, fishing, shooting, circuses and vivisection. For the past 12 years, I've been a vegan too. Let's put our own house in order first. I do what I do - what I can in an otherwise everyday 'normal' life - not because I put animals above humans but because I oppose cruelty. Anything capable of suffering deserves consideration -physical form and intelligence is irrelevant to that. I don't need to eat animals (though I would if my survival depended on it), I don't have a right to experiment on them to cure my illnesses, and I certainly have no right to torment and kill them for entertainment. Why be cruel when you can be kind? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821419&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821463" class=" stripe">62. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821463" name="comment62">11:45am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=3166947">zrzavy</a> wrote:</cite>I would say bull fighting is part of the Spanish lack of culture - its barbaric and should be banned. Let those who support it replace the poor bulls. I am sure this would attract just as many spectators. The only bull fight recordings I have seen are those clips on the TV News where the matador gets the bull's horn up his bum - serves him right. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821463&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821490" class="">63. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821490" name="comment63">11:45am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13788045">pedantisimo</a> wrote:</cite> I live in Barcelona. While I am in favour of banning bullfighting, this is basically another manoeuvre by the Catalan nationalists to stir up friction and tension between themselves and the central Madrid government, as without this tension they have no political leverage and would simply disappear. That's not to say that the same doesn't apply to the Spanish far-right, which yearns for the days of Franco and hates the separatist regions within Spain. So, as I say, I am happy at the idea of bullfighting dying out, but it is a shame that the issue is being used as a tool for political ends. I fear that many Catalan nationalists do not really care about the fate of the bull in the ring - it's all about sticking a banderilla in the back of the Spanish state. And don't forget: there's elections for the Catalan government in autumn, so all politicians here are playing the "I'm more Catalan than you" card. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821490&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821557" class=" stripe">64. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821557" name="comment64">11:47am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14148367">Mike Dixon Londoner in Spain</a> wrote:</cite> I live just outside Barcelona. None of my family or friends support Bull fighting in any way. We all agree that it should be banned in Catalanya. Every region has the right to decide their own policy in this. In a country where it is now illegal to cut the tail of a dog, I would say that bull fighting belongs to the past. In Portugal they have a form in which the bulls are not killed, so perhaps this could be introduced in the South. Mike, Barcelona, Spain <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821557&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98821995" class="">65. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98821995" name="comment65">11:53am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568056">Julix</a> wrote:</cite> First of all, this is a decissions for us Spaniards to make, or in this case those Spaniards living in Catalonia. Second, Catalan polititians have brought this as a clear sign that they want to artificially segretate Spanish tradicions from 'Calatan' traditions. They do not care about bullfighting but about what it means: Spanish milenary tradition. Now answering all the animal activists that are screaching around. A Spanish Toro de lidia (bullfighting bull) lives in a very humane condition during years! They help to mantain natural habitats and forest areas (dehesas) where other wild species can also live which otherwise would have been turned into farms. I bet any chicken or pig in this country has a sadder/less humane life and I do not see you campainging around! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98821995&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822045" class=" stripe">66. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822045" name="comment66">11:54am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14249258">TheWalrus999</a> wrote:</cite>Yes, ban bullfighting. Also, ban the burka. Ban the Scots from playing the bagpipes. Ban gangsta rap. Why does the BBC ask such ridiculous questions? Its a matter for the nations and cultures concerned, whether you agree or disagree. I would rather ban the BBC from asking pointless questions and saving on some of the license fee. Ban the license fee? Hmmm... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822045&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822079" class="">67. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822079" name="comment67">11:54am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13648146">john3626</a> wrote:</cite>I went to a bullfight once and have to admit that the first death was quite shocking but after that you get used to the idea and for the spanish its a popular form of entertainment. Let them keep it if they want, its really none of our business here in the UK. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822079&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822173" class=" stripe">68. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822173" name="comment68">11:56am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=5395336">chiptheduck</a> wrote:</cite>Yes. And fox hunting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822173&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822275" class="">69. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822275" name="comment69">11:57am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=5395336">chiptheduck</a> wrote:</cite>There are very few bullfights in Portugal nowadays. But then the Portuguese were always far more civilised than the Spaniards. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822275&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822279" class=" stripe">70. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822279" name="comment70">11:57am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=6021243">Sepenenre</a> wrote:</cite>Spain shopuld stop this immediately. It's sickening. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822279&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822381" class="">71. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822381" name="comment71">11:59am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355249">corum-populo-2010</a> wrote:</cite>Is it true that bull-fighting in Colombia is part of their culture too? As for Spain, I have never witnessed bull-fighting so cannot comment on that. As for any country; attacking any animal for sport alone is an uncomfortable issue? Hopefully, this question may open up a much wider question that ALL nations and their people must consider? Humans have hunted animals, in an organised way, for food throughout history. Any hunting of animals purely for sport however, is not new but increasingly worrying today as so many rare species are under threat? America, and many other countries too, have a 'tradition' of hunting wild animals for sport and certain countries thrive on misinformed medicinal properties of certain 'parts' of wild animals? Would it not be better to farm these unfortunate creatures, rather than using poachers to kill them in the wild and drive them into extinction? I guess all of the above is more worrying than bull-fighting in Spain? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822381&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822417" class=" stripe">72. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822417" name="comment72">11:59am</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14488418">Space Dust</a> wrote:</cite>Just a couple of reminders for those that aren't aware: Bull fighting supporters believe that rather than electrocute a bull's head in order to kill it instantaneously for meat isn't as honourable as giving it a chance to live by fighting a human in a bull ring - bulls sometimes kill bull fighters, in which case the bull survives and is put out to pasture. All dead bull meat is normally donated to local orphanages. This is what I've picked-up over the years form supporters. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822417&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822468" class="">73. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822468" name="comment73">12:00pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=10373866">Donaldus Matthews</a> wrote:</cite>to everyone claiming bullfighting is tradition: burning witches used to be fairly traditional in Europe, as did the persecution of epileptics. all three are backward practices that have no place in a modern society. if the Spanish are so keen to fight with bovine mammals, they should do so with bare hands and not stick the animal half to death with spears before they get into the ring with it. same for fox hunting - if you can track and catch a fox with only your bare hands, be my guest. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822468&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822736" class=" stripe">74. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822736" name="comment74">12:04pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13798016">Tom Clarke</a> wrote:</cite>As a Barcelona resident for the last 8 years, I'm really pleased with this amendment to the animal cruelty law in Catalonia. Bullfighting is an anachronism, a brutal and cruel shadow on Spain's and Catalonia's cultures. Like bear baiting, dog fights, cock fights etc, people are now turning their backs on this 'art form' for good. I hope that the rest of Spain, which is for the most part a very civilised and forward-thinking country, will follow suit. This has nothing to do with Catalonia versus Spain' or anything like that. It's just about the prevention of cruelty of animals, a noble cause that has much to celebrate today. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822736&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822755" class="">75. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822755" name="comment75">12:04pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14392845">chezza100</a> wrote:</cite>I've never been to the bullfighting but it doesn't look very nice on tv. Spanish Culture, Spanish Decision. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822755&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822769" class=" stripe">76. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822769" name="comment76">12:04pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568077">Jack Foxall</a> wrote:</cite>Supporters say that the corrida is an art form that it is vital to preserve with absolutely no thought for the pain and suffering of the poor animals. I wonder when a bull-fighter is killed by a highly justified bull defending itself, whether the act is still called an art form? This is a sickening "sport" which should have been banned a long time ago <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822769&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822805" class="">77. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822805" name="comment77">12:05pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568074">Aaron Cabrera</a> wrote:</cite>In the canary islands are banned for 30 years and nothing has happened. Do not confuse tradition with nation. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822805&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98822924" class=" stripe">78. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98822924" name="comment78">12:08pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13378183">Lynn from Sussex</a> wrote:</cite> To Poster No 2, we do not have 'blood sports' in this country, look up the definition please, the term refers to 'sports' such as badger baiting, dog fights etc where the animal is in an enclosed space and cannot escape. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98822924&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98823176" class="">79. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98823176" name="comment79">12:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13670880">ian cheese</a> wrote:</cite> I was against bullfighting until I was attacked by a bull on a National Trust trail in idyllic Britain. Nothing wrong with bullfighting provided we eat the meat afterwards, & I hope the Spanish do. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98823176&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98823180" class=" stripe">80. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98823180" name="comment80">12:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14474885">RainbowBunny</a> wrote:</cite>YES! It definitely SHOULD be banned!! It is a dreadfully barbaric thing to do and it's about time Spain woke up and realised it! Just because it is 'tradition' is NO excuse whatsoever! Once they ban this they can then ban the bull street run.... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98823180&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98823224" class="">81. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98823224" name="comment81">12:13pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2892952">the_Sluiceterer</a> wrote:</cite>Ban it now. Mindless killing should not be excused because is country`s culture. UK used to burn witches, should we have reatined that culture?All this nationalist nonsense should be meaningless in the 21st century. Countries are just bits of rock that we happen to give names to. We all live on planet Earth and should have shared values. Being cruel to animals is barbaric savegry. Ban bull fighting immediately. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98823224&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98823286" class=" stripe">82. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98823286" name="comment82">12:14pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14344593">Chris</a> wrote:</cite>This is an internal Spanish debate and none of our business. When America gets bored with picking fights with every other country for any bizarre reason, maybe they will turn their attention to Spain for this barbaric sport. At that point, we will do our ususal lapdog trick and bark with them!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98823286&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98823501" class="">83. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98823501" name="comment83">12:18pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14367928">Alasdair Campbell</a> wrote:</cite> Leave it to the Spaniards to decide. In other words, keep the BBC out of the Spaniards' business. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98823501&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98823822" class=" stripe">84. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98823822" name="comment84">12:23pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14364902">Pavel</a> wrote:</cite>In theory and in practice, human civilization has and should have nothing to do with the gruesome practice of killing bulls for entertainment as well as with any other form of cruelty towards animals. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98823822&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824076" class="">85. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824076" name="comment85">12:27pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568090">dallerz</a> wrote:</cite>Countries should be allowed to make their own decisions to animal rights and protecting their traditions. However the hypocrisy of many people is unbelievable and shows the times we live in. We are so removed from the production of our food that it bears no impact to the way we run our lives. Next time you are eating a burger spare a thought for the cow that went into making it. Very short life and in may cases never see's the light of day. The bull in the ring has a much better life, runs free and has a chance to go out with a bang. Talk about bullfighting being cruel – given the choice I know what life I'd pick! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824076&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824171" class=" stripe">86. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824171" name="comment86">12:29pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1174852">Luke Talbot</a> wrote:</cite>There is a difference between bullfighting and normal hunting. The point of normal hunting is to kill the animal as quickly as possible, normally with a shotgun (in the case of wild boar, game, etc...) Bull fighting, as with fox hunting, has its thrill in the chase; in the case of bulls, the more 'hits' on the bull without killing it the better, before a final clean killing blow is dealt. In both cases, the animal invariably suffers far more than if it were simply shot. Most Spanish people I know have never been to, nor agree with, the corrida. As the article says, this is a tradition that has for many years been supported by tourists who think they are seeing the real Spain, whereas in fact they are witnessing an archaic, cruel and dangerous sport. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824171&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824273" class="">87. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824273" name="comment87">12:31pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14456656">number1066</a> wrote:</cite>Who cares...its a fantastic spectacle. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824273&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824342" class=" stripe">88. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824342" name="comment88">12:33pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568107">BroonsBane</a> wrote:</cite>To those banguing on about 'it's a Spanish decision' - of course this is Spain's decision, nobody is arguing against that! However, we are still allowed to express an opinion on the ban. Animal rights are surely universal and I believe this goes against basic animal rights. (Killing animals for food, different subject, different discussion). Are there any laws against animal cruelty in Spain? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824342&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824344" class="">89. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824344" name="comment89">12:33pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568106">markymark9000</a> wrote:</cite>Absolutely - it should be banned. And although it could be viewed as being a decision for Spain, I think we should all keep the pressure on until it happens. Don't agreee with the first comment, it won't die slowly...it will die out as fast as they can make it die out... Legislation is the only real way to ensure that it is stopped... Don't make the mistake of what we did with Fox hunting which is to make the most obvious loopholes available to those that wanted to get round the law. Get rid of it completely and as soon as possible. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824344&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824501" class=" stripe">90. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824501" name="comment90">12:35pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=5768953">Anthony Rat</a> wrote:</cite>'4. At 09:55am on 28 Jul 2010, krokodil wrote: At least their proposed ban is not based on the thinly disguised class war notions that did for hunting in britain. Its a spanish decision for them to make at the end of the day.' Krokodil, stop living in the past, as far as I can tell, there's only 2 classes in the UK, Upper Classes, such as Royalty, Lords etc and the rest of us. Going back a few years, my mum and dad were working class, but I do a middle class job, so what class am I then? Get real, the class system is dead, thankfully! To answer the main question: Yes it should be banned, along with all the torture and killing or ANY living creature we humans do for so-called fun, or thinly disquised (spelling?) research. As a race we're still barbaric. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824501&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824582" class="">91. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824582" name="comment91">12:36pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13633951">CH</a> wrote:</cite>As usual all the prats who don't want anything killed ever no matter what are expressing their air head views. 180k signatures and they banned it? You could get 180k signatures on pretty much anything. This is so clearly about Catalonia sticking two fingers up to Madrid and nothing to do with the bulls. Much like the fox hunting ban here had nothing to do with the welfare of Mr Fox. Sadly, animal rights activists will use this in any way they can until suddenly a few years down the line you won't even be able to rid yourself of a rat infestation for fear of breaching the little things "rights". <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824582&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824721" class=" stripe">92. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824721" name="comment92">12:38pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358894">Slave to the System - I am not a number</a> wrote:</cite>Bull fighting should be allowed but on equal terms. If the bull injures the matador, it should be allowed to survive and enjoy life. Also matadors shouldnt have weapons. That would be a much better "Sport". The spanish rig the bull fights so much in favour of the matadors its not really a sport more like horse racing. Why not outlaw fishing as well, is that not just as barbaric ? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824721&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824735" class="">93. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824735" name="comment93">12:39pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2140297">Richard</a> wrote:</cite>Having been on holiday to Spain a few times I feel it would be a shame if other parts of Spain follows suit. I appreciate that its rather non-PC for me to say so, but I have watched the colourful spectacle of Bullfighting a number of times and thoroughly enjoyed it. If the proposed ban represents public opinion amongst Catalans then that is up to them and we should respect that. Whether other parts of Spain chose to do the same is equally up to them, though I fear that the world would become a duller place if everyone was forced to lose their local traditions to comply with some faceless leftwing eurocrats idea of how we should all live. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824735&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824773" class=" stripe">94. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824773" name="comment94">12:39pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568113">CHRIS</a> wrote:</cite> We do bullfights in Costa Rica.. super funny and still very challenging.. but without any physical negative effect on the animals.. a sight to be seen ! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824773&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824828" class="">95. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824828" name="comment95">12:40pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13313314">TheTreboethTerror</a> wrote:</cite> bullfighting is an obscene, barbaric past time that should be outlawed. bulls are effectively being killed for entertainment. how can it be allowed to continue in this day and age? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824828&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98824907" class=" stripe">96. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98824907" name="comment96">12:42pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14276990">Scholesy</a> wrote:</cite>Well done Catalonia. I can't imagine neanderthals ever killing animals for entertainment. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98824907&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825296" class="">97. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825296" name="comment97">12:48pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2587044">luskentyre</a> wrote:</cite>Saying "it's up to Spain" is wrong. The question is Should Bullfighting be banned, and I believe it should be - wherever it occurs. Cruelty doesn't become any less unpleasant just because it happens in another country. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825296&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825306" class=" stripe">98. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825306" name="comment98">12:48pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14361140">Rob</a> wrote:</cite>Bullfighting should be banned in Britain, because that's all the clout my vote can carry (and all I hope and expect it to have). Whether the rest of Spain will follow Catalonia's lead, should be up to the rest of Spain. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825306&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825388" class="">99. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825388" name="comment99">12:49pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14359179">Mensales</a> wrote:</cite> Why are we asking such a stupid question,most countries in the world would do consider this as a sport but as a barbaric event which does little to enhance the reputation of Spain which would rise immeasurably in the eyes of the world if they showed humanity instead of the current,out of date, cruelty. There is so much in their culture to admire but this smears their reputation and causes many to avoid the country as a holiday destination. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825388&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825398" class=" stripe">100. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825398" name="comment100">12:49pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14443546">sinistrality</a> wrote:</cite>bullfighting is almost as vile, cruel and disgusting as religion. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825398&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825562" class="">101. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825562" name="comment101">12:52pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13667051">SystemF</a> wrote:</cite>No place in modern western society for slowly and painfully killing an animal. Utterly disgraceful. Stabbing an animal repeatedly and watching it bleed to death whilst still being tormented by the 'brave' matador. The only bullfights I enjoy watching are the ones that end up with the bull winning. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825562&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825610" class=" stripe">102. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825610" name="comment102">12:52pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2587044">luskentyre</a> wrote:</cite>Phillip of England wrote: A truly modern and progressive nation and culture does not seek to impose its current moral whims and fancies upon other members of that nation. Don't be so crass! Don't be so ignorant. We're talking about our feelings on a personal level - not as a nation. It's irrelevant if it's part of a nation's culture. Just because something is cultural, doesn't mean it's any less repulsive. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825610&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825732" class="">103. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825732" name="comment103">12:54pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2249113">theoldgoat</a> wrote:</cite>None of our business. I don't see diplomatic measures being taken against the US to get them to outlaw the death penalty (no matter how much international huffing and puffing goes on when Sharia Law is given due process in Iran), so let's quit with the double standards, eh? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825732&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98825906" class=" stripe">104. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98825906" name="comment104">12:57pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14394550">KeithB</a> wrote:</cite>It is a barbaric practice which has no place in the modern world but, as with fox hunting in this country, it is up to the local population to decide whether they want to ban it. The only time the rest of the world should be involved with putting pressure on another country to ban something is when that country carries out practices or activities that put wildlife at risk of extinction, or harm indiginous people ... take note Japan and Norway etc. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98825906&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826036" class="">105. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826036" name="comment105">12:59pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14025226">R_Souls</a> wrote:</cite>In my opinion, anyone who enjoys "sport" which involves animals being chased or killed is somewhat unhinged. It has been proven that most serial killers start by torturing animals. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826036&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826254" class=" stripe">106. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826254" name="comment106">1:03pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568144">Dewpoint</a> wrote:</cite>If truly concerned about cruelty, Catalonia, Spain and the UE had best first ban all vivisection and ... most marriages. Fly safe, -- Dewpoint <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826254&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826378" class="">107. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826378" name="comment107">1:05pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567220">Zabi</a> wrote:</cite>Its not your culture/tradition so its not none of your business! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826378&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826395" class=" stripe">108. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826395" name="comment108">1:05pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13660471">deanarabin</a> wrote:</cite>Nothing to do with us, but don't let's think that a little thing like that should affect us in any way. The perpetrators of this possible ban should be required to give evidence to the appropriate Select Committee of the British Parliament, as soon as they reassemble. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826395&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826472" class="">109. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826472" name="comment109">1:06pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14354733">zzgrark</a> wrote:</cite>'What impact will outlawing the corrida have on Spanish culture and livelihoods?' - BBC. Fewer dead bulls. Hard times for guys with swords and funny costumes. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826472&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826519" class=" stripe">110. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826519" name="comment110">1:07pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13970771">mridul_h</a> wrote:</cite>As far as bearing of a life to one is concern which is nothing but just energy in the form of an order within all living beings and hence we are all same and equal except carrying of different Brains. A man carries much more activities of both good as well as bad unlike other lives, where such activities of the Brain are bare minimum nonetheless the pain undertaken by one is always same or similar. While some expresses it with enough of gestures, the others absorb it. Since we are all part of Mother Nature, she has her own ways and means to bring equilibrium to the entire environment in-spite of our living in the space within the Universe. Therefore all lives, living under the embrace of Mother Nature are full-filling the deficiencies of the others to make ourselves complete and one. Even if one is unavailable, we shall instantly become incomplete. Such is the demand of requirement of each one of us to make ourselves complete in all respects. As and when we go deeper in to the Subject to know about forming of body of human beings and that of Animal worlds or in-fact all living beings, all these are a mass of tiny cells, trillions in numbers but living together by virtue of having intense love between each other of which each one is functioning most independently from one end to the other of the body and each of which is engaging in doing of different job from the other counter parts living together. Each one is also going through the same life cycle as we are carrying on outside with an infinite numbers of such systems inside of each. Therefore as far as existence of body of one is concern, there is no difference between man and other lives including that of Animals. Hence there is no difference between each other of us that is existed seen or unseen, living or non-living. By inflicting of a pain to one irrespective of living or non-living, whom we are hurting? Since a body is bounded by love irrespective of a static or solid or living object, we are surely attacking the relationship of love existed between each other within it that are responsible for forming the said object only. The moment, we force-in a foreign object to one’s body, the pain is undertaken by Mother Nature only which is none by us only. When we do it against human, we cry to express it, the Animal cannot do so being expressing of such gestures are absent in them notwithstanding the same amount of pain is absorb by it, while feeling the forceful separation between various cells at that particular point or area of the body. Therefore it is showing of utmost cruelty of one on the other of the same life bearing object. The moment we learn to know that the object too whom are inflicting pain is none other than oneself only; the said entity shall start bleeding within oneself absorbing the pain of the one who is unable to express it. Since Love is God, we are surely inflicting harm to the omnipresent Lord only by doing so, which shall surface within us in one form or the other as no action of one go without producing a reverse result of equal intensity. Therefore we hail the decision of the Parliament of Catalonia for passing the legislation of stopping the Bull Fight within its National territory. (Dr.M.M.HAZARIKA, PhD) <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826519&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826593" class="">111. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826593" name="comment111">1:08pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14432859">HappySnapper22</a> wrote:</cite>A matter for the Spanish people, nothing to do with the UK. Having said that theres no way I would want to see such a horrid thing. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826593&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826665" class=" stripe">112. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826665" name="comment112">1:09pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568151">kevinrvs1</a> wrote:</cite> At last. There isno excuse for such barbaric activities. History, culture blah blah - these do NOT justify torture and misery. If they did then we should still have slavery and whole host of other awful human atrocities. Congratulations to those Spaniards that ahve finally seen sense and shame on those that have yet to do so - and that goes for any form of hunting! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826665&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826706" class="">113. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826706" name="comment113">1:10pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568136">Beckcible</a> wrote:</cite>'As one of my granddaughters once remarked. 'If we save the whale we are condemning the krill to an early death'. I wonder why one form of life is deemed more important than another.' The natural circle of life (whale eats krill etc) is quite different to the barbaric nature of blood sports, baiting, hunting for sport etc. Yes, it is up to the Spanish whether or not they ban bull fighting but anyone is allowed to have their opinion. If the fox hunting ban was broadcast as news in Spain then I am sure Spanish animal lovers would have happy about it too and asking why it had not happened sooner. Personally I think bull fighting is disgusting and horrific. Just because it is tradition or culture, or if the bull has a longer life than others, as some have stated, it does not justify the violent and terrifying end the unsuspecting bull comes to. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826706&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826761" class=" stripe">114. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826761" name="comment114">1:11pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2627869">druid2002</a> wrote:</cite>As a Brit i will stick to making decisions that affect us. I will not judge on what the Spanish should as this is a Spanish tradition. IMO Bullfighting is like marmite. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826761&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826829" class="">115. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826829" name="comment115">1:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568151">kevinrvs1</a> wrote:</cite>Oh yes, and it also applies to the meat trade too. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826829&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826923" class=" stripe">116. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826923" name="comment116">1:13pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=3613943">Essential Rabbit</a> wrote:</cite>Maybe they will also eventually stop the barbaric practice of torturing donkeys and beating them to death in their "religious" festivals. I'll not hold my breath. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826923&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98826964" class="">117. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98826964" name="comment117">1:14pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568153">inverted_comas</a> wrote:</cite>[GU27XH wrote: Honestly, I agree with Ernest Hemingway - "I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after". ] Not a great argument; probably serial killers feel good after doing awful things, so that's a justification, then? Makes about as much sense as most of Hemingway - macho man, rotten writer. As most seem to think, it's for the Spanish to decide. They'll be missing out on my tourist euros in the meantime. Don't like something? Don't ban it, just vote with your feet. As for most attendees at bullfights being tourists... no surprises there, then. Handkerchiefs on heads and brains in neutral. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98826964&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98827053" class=" stripe">118. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98827053" name="comment118">1:15pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=9655540">BluesBerry</a> wrote:</cite>Should bullfighting be outlawed? Yes. Thanks to each persons who signed the petition to eliminate this barbaric & outdated "entertainment". There are some traditions that are worthy of preservation, but personally I'm not inclined to include bear-baiting, dog-fighting, cock-fights, or other unnecessary cruelties to animals. Those who believe that Catalans are attemptong to mark their difference from the rest of Spain, have a resolution at hand - ban bullfighting wherever you are & eliminate the difference. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98827053&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98827315" class="">119. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98827315" name="comment119">1:20pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14217498">Cydevil</a> wrote:</cite> How about a public spectacle of picador-fighting, where blokes on horseback plant barbed darts in the picadors' backs? This can be followed by matador-fighting, where the same blokes can drive a sword through the matadors' heads and down their necks. Just to make things fair, the picadors and matadors would be permitted to strap a pair of horns to their heads. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98827315&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98827325" class=" stripe">120. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98827325" name="comment120">1:20pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14407698">Reasoned Rants</a> wrote:</cite>I'm sure I once read a quote something like "you can tell how civilised a nation is by the way it treats its animals". If this is true (and I feel that it probably is), then maybe Spain is starting along the road towards civilisation. Not much hope for Malta though, as the senseless slaughter of rare birds of prey continues unabated with no political will to stop it. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98827325&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98827677" class="">121. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98827677" name="comment121">1:25pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=10137876">Paul T</a> wrote:</cite>Lots of people saying "Spanish tradition - should be a Spanish decision" and not much else. It WILL be, these posters should realise that they don't have the slightest influence one way or another. The whole idea of Have YOUR Say is debate and personal opinion. Not sure if it is paranoia of the type stoked by a certain Daily newspaper, but don't worry - I don't think Brussels will be spending too much time trying to push anti-Bull Fighting laws through...and I doubt Spanish policy makers are basing decisions on what BBC.co.uk readers suggest. Personally, I agree with the posters who suggest banning on the grounds it is barbaric. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98827677&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98827771" class=" stripe">122. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98827771" name="comment122">1:27pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2276232">Rosemary Alabaster</a> wrote:</cite> No it isn't "just a matter for the Spaniards" any more than abortion is "just a matter for the mother". I'm on the side of the bull and the baby every time, neither of whom are given a voice. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98827771&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98827851" class="">123. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98827851" name="comment123">1:28pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=4581871">potatolord</a> wrote:</cite>No- it is just entertainment. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98827851&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828174" class=" stripe">124. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828174" name="comment124">1:33pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13298628">Dungabosta</a> wrote:</cite>I watched a "Corrida de Torros" in Barcelona about 10 years ago. I have to say it was the most exiting sport I have ever seen. The bulls were so pumped up (possibly on steroids if not just anger) that one actually jumped over the barrier and chased a lady spectator. It was absolutely awesome, although the stewards managed to block the bull before it reached her and she had to be carried out the area on a cart. Anyway, I don't think it's a massive harm to the bulls, they do get killed relatively swiftly once a few spears have been implanted in the backs and the adrenaline must make the pain a lot less. I think the value of tradition is greater than the counterargument on animal rights and there are a lot more things I would stop before bull fighting such as zoos or battery farmed chickens which are far more widespread. What will be next, banning horse racing it makes horses tired? Stopping sheep herding because it scares some sheep? We could be left in an extremely bland world. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828174&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828337" class="">125. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828337" name="comment125">1:35pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358040">pb</a> wrote:</cite>I am pro-hunting but nevertheless feel uneasy about the Spanish style of bullfighting where the bull is simply tortured and has next to no chance of leaving the ring alive. However, I can't really object to the way they do it in Portugal. Not only is bull is NOT killed in the ring it gets MORE than a fair chance to get even. After facing a man on horse the bull it faces the Forcados. Forcados are small group of men who challenge the bull without any protection - and its not unusual to see one of the focardos being carried off on a stretcher. The front man provokes the bull into a full-on charge - I saw one forcado hit so hard that he literally flew, leaving his slippers on the ground - aother became the sandwich filling between a several hundred kg bull and the wall of the arena. It may not be my idea of 'sport' but at least its fair! The bulls are usually killed for their meat outside of the ring but after an exceptional performance they go to pasture and are used for breeding. I hate to think what makes an exceptional performance - forcado body count perhaops? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828337&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828341" class=" stripe">126. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828341" name="comment126">1:35pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14386088">SeasideSteve</a> wrote:</cite>"It's Spanish culture, it's for them to decide." seems to be a common theme. Can these people not read? Clearly, from the story, it is the Spanish doing the deciding. Doesn't take away the British right of free speech though does it?! Also seems to be an assumption with some that no one in Spain had anything to say about our foxhunting. As the Spanish have similar rights to free speech, as they have ably demonstrated in this case, to assume there are no anti-global bloodsports protesters there, as there are here seems somewhat arrogant. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828341&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828452" class="">127. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828452" name="comment127">1:37pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14488975">Dr Malcolm Alun Williams</a> wrote:</cite>I welcome the decision. If anyone's got a lust for blood, then they should either go work in an abattoir, forensic evidence or phlebotomy. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828452&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828530" class=" stripe">128. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828530" name="comment128">1:38pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1701182">Taragon of Virtue</a> wrote:</cite>This new legislation is just another political manoeuvre by the Catalan regional government - it has nothing to do with animal welfare. The Catalans just want to be seen as 'not Spanish', and will do anything it takes to achieve such. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828530&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828564" class="">129. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828564" name="comment129">1:39pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14368336">Karen Jules-Louis</a> wrote:</cite>To the parliament of Catalonia, I want to say THANK YOU. Regardless of whether it's a 'tradition' it's a cruel and barbaric one. I salute you. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828564&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828737" class=" stripe">130. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828737" name="comment130">1:41pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=4748065">DCHeretic</a> wrote:</cite> Torturing an animal is not sport and it certainly is not a healthy form of entertainment. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828737&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98828898" class="">131. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98828898" name="comment131">1:44pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358040">pb</a> wrote:</cite>105. R_Souls wrote: In my opinion, anyone who enjoys "sport" which involves animals being chased or killed is somewhat unhinged. It has been proven that most serial killers start by torturing animals. Most serial killers have legs and arms; that doesn't make all humans serial killers! Seriously though, I think statistics are against you. There are many people that 'chase and kill' animals who are completely level headed. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98828898&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829117" class=" stripe">132. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829117" name="comment132">1:47pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358040">pb</a> wrote:</cite>92. Slave to the System - I am not a number wrote:Bull fighting should be allowed but on equal terms. If the bull injures the matador, it should be allowed to survive and enjoy life. Also matadors shouldnt have weapons. That would be a much better "Sport". See my comment #125 - this does happen in Portugal. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829117&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829145" class="">133. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829145" name="comment133">1:48pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567937">Sunshine_Em</a> wrote:</cite> I agree that its not a pleasant way for a Bulls life to end and would never want to be part of an audience that watches it. However banning and outlawing is not the answer (that will just push it underground) all we can hope for is for them to realise that its a cruel sport and and stop going of their own accord. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829145&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829245" class=" stripe">134. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829245" name="comment134">1:50pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1777139">Nik</a> wrote:</cite>"""Should bullfighting be outlawed?""" As much as the halal meat. Do you know what means halal? It means cutting the throat of the animal and let it suffer for several minutes so that its blood is drained. They do it because they consider the traditional European way of killing the animal (i.e. hitting it on the head to make it unconscious, then kill it by beheading) as dirty. Bull-fighting it is part of the Iberic culture and none hsa the right to tell them what to do. Some effeminate anglosaxons and frenchies find simply Spanish too calm as people to accuse them as racist and thus try to accuse them of such idiocies, yet these effeminate people have no balls to do the same for the equally ruthless halal-style killing of animals because they are afraid they are going to be accused of racism. The whole story? It is all about extremely racist people making extremely racist attacks against the Spanish people. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829245&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829248" class="">135. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829248" name="comment135">1:50pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355935">Phillip of England </a> wrote:</cite>102. At 12:52pm on 28 Jul 2010, luskentyre wrote: Phillip of England wrote: A truly modern and progressive nation and culture does not seek to impose its current moral whims and fancies upon other members of that nation. Don't be so crass! Don't be so ignorant. We're talking about our feelings on a personal level - not as a nation. It's irrelevant if it's part of a nation's culture. Just because something is cultural, doesn't mean it's any less repulsive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing ignorant going on here! Your talking about "your" feelings, not taking into consideration the feelings of those who support this particular sport. Which was the crux, if you had bothered to read my comment with due consideration. It is incredibly ignorant to force "your" sense of repulsion onto those who do not share them and to insist on laws being changed because "you" find something repulsive - in the case of bullfighting of course. Whose to say they find it repulsive? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829248&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829304" class=" stripe">136. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829304" name="comment136">1:51pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1777139">Nik</a> wrote:</cite> This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the <a class="popup" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_house_rules.html">House Rules</a>. </li> <li id="P98829352" class="">137. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829352" name="comment137">1:52pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1777139">Nik</a> wrote:</cite> This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the <a class="popup" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_house_rules.html">House Rules</a>. </li> <li id="P98829361" class=" stripe">138. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829361" name="comment138">1:52pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358040">pb</a> wrote:</cite>86. Luke Talbot wrote: Bull fighting, as with fox hunting, has its thrill in the chase; in the case of bulls, the more 'hits' on the bull without killing it the better, before a final clean killing blow is dealt. In both cases, the animal invariably suffers far more than if it were simply shot. This is just a wild guess (a shot in the dark) but i'm guessing you don't do much shooting. Trying to shoot a moving fox at a distance - you are very likely to only wound it so that it dies slowly and probably in great fear and pain. Is that any better? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829361&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829409" class="">139. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829409" name="comment139">1:53pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1777139">Nik</a> wrote:</cite> This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the <a class="popup" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_house_rules.html">House Rules</a>. </li> <li id="P98829434" class=" stripe">140. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829434" name="comment140">1:53pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=4581871">potatolord</a> wrote:</cite>No. They banned dogfighting in the UK as it was a sport of the poor, while still allowing hunting and shooting, but I can't see a dog fight is any crueller than a hunt. Maybe we should bring it back for the London olympics? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829434&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829503" class="">141. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829503" name="comment141">1:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13636613">Fausto</a> wrote:</cite>First of all, bullfighting is barbaric and great it has been banned in Catalunia! However, as a sports enthusiast, I will always wonder what it would have been like if the "matador" and the bull were left on a one-on-one on the arena. The matador would still be allowed to carry his bullfighting gear, but there would be no further helpers and the bull would not be weakened beforehand. I would probably call this a "fair fight", and I don't think there would be many "corageous" matadores queueing up to have a go at it. Eventually, after a few gorings and deaths, the matadores themselves would probably ask for such a barbic sport to be ban. And that would be ironic... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829503&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829505" class=" stripe">142. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829505" name="comment142">1:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14086951">General_Jack_Ripper</a> wrote:</cite>Approximately 18,000 foals are born into the closely-related British and Irish racing industries each year, yet only around 40% go on to become racers. Those horses who do not make the grade may be slaughtered for meat or repeatedly change hands in a downward spiral of neglect. Of those horses who do go on to race, around 420 are raced to death every year. Source: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/horse/">http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/horse/</a> <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829505&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829519" class="">143. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829519" name="comment143">1:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14205636">Grubble</a> wrote:</cite>Ban animal blood activities. Ban bull fighting. Bring back gladiators. I've said it before; I'm saying it again. It's cruel. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829519&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98829856" class=" stripe">144. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98829856" name="comment144">2:00pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14508136">samalm</a> wrote:</cite> 88. At 12:33pm on 28 Jul 2010, BroonsBane wrote: Are there any laws against animal cruelty in Spain? Yes there are. One of those goes as far as recognising some human rights to primates. Bullfighting is allowed as an exception to those laws, as it is considered a popular tradition. The Catalan Parliament is technically not banning bullfighting, but rather removing this exception. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98829856&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830043" class="">145. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830043" name="comment145">2:03pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14366475">Toad In The Hole</a> wrote:</cite>Bull fighting is barbaric and belongs in the middle ages. Well done to The parliament of Catalonia. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830043&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830052" class=" stripe">146. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830052" name="comment146">2:03pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1102751">mitya</a> wrote:</cite>Yes, and it shouldn't even be a question. It is cruel and medieval, and anyone naiive enough to suggest that it should be kept because "it's traditional" should recall that bear-bating and other such comparable acts of barbarity were once traditional, too. That doesn't mean they're acceptable. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830052&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830072" class="">147. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830072" name="comment147">2:04pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=6338325">el_culito</a> wrote:</cite> I think this is the first step towards becoming a civilised country. For the first time in my life, I feel like politicians have done something that is worth doing. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830072&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830286" class=" stripe">148. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830286" name="comment148">2:07pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14405745">DoleBoy</a> wrote:</cite> YES. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830286&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830311" class="">149. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830311" name="comment149">2:08pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14341367">spacekadet</a> wrote:</cite> YES. There's no place for this in a modern world. I'm afraid some traditions have to be consigned to the dustbin. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830311&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830467" class=" stripe">150. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830467" name="comment150">2:10pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13878984">DucatiRossa</a> wrote:</cite>As an animal lover I may agree with the decision, but then why not banning boxing too? I can't understand why it should be acceptable to watch two people beating each other to a pulp. My feeling is that I am not happy with 'banning things'. If I could, I would ban people with bad breath or smelly armpits on public transport, or ban speeding cyclists on pavements, or ban shorts for men... the list goes on... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830467&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830581" class="">151. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830581" name="comment151">2:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568227">Torreti123</a> wrote:</cite> Bull fighting should be banned its cruel and inhumane!!!! Let the matadors run round and stick spears in eachothers backs to see how much pain it causes but tape up they're mouth so it stops them crying for help!!! It makes me so angry why humans think they have the right to commit cruelty on any animal. This is not a sport and the sooner they realise that the better. The only time i find enjoyment is when the bull gores the matador, serves him right. I hope they also die a slow painful death!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830581&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830608" class=" stripe">152. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830608" name="comment152">2:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568223">Virgil_S</a> wrote:</cite>I'm a spaniard from Andalucia and I couldn't agree more with the ban. I do hope this initiative will spread into other regions. Today is a great and happy day. Catalonia ... you're the best! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830608&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830690" class="">153. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830690" name="comment153">2:13pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13800436">bluemaumau</a> wrote:</cite> this hysteria and hypocracy is simply amazing. half the writers insist it is up to the spaniards to decide! how about letting the japanese decide if they should eat whales or not ???or if the british should hunt foxes or any hunters hunt at all ???? why should age old traditions be attacked and banned with the zeal of medeival missionaries just cause some of the bleeding heart folks cannot stomach them ????? should we all bow to their warped ideas and just watch nothing more captivating then the grass growing and eat only cabbages ??? if you don't like something then stay away from it but don't force your warped will on others. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830690&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830736" class=" stripe">154. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830736" name="comment154">2:14pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568175">JasonW</a> wrote:</cite>The practice of bull-fighting may be barbaric - yet it's a spa holiday in comparison to the conditions of indsutrial meat farms. One musn't forget that before ending up in he arena, the fighting bulls have an excellent life on far-ranging cattle ranches, which incidentally provide desperately needed habitat for endangered species and help maintain biodviersity. Outlaw bullfighting and the habitats will fall to developers. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830736&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830767" class="">155. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830767" name="comment155">2:15pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14356018">Richard Smart</a> wrote:</cite>Surely there is some EU rule that it goes against. If not, there should be. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830767&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830874" class=" stripe">156. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830874" name="comment156">2:17pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14376619">Toby Goodall</a> wrote:</cite> "Free Country". What part of "free" do some people not understand? You cannot ban a thing because you do not like it. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830874&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830882" class="">157. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830882" name="comment157">2:17pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14200298">Nina</a> wrote:</cite> I hate bull fighting and I would very much welcome the Spanish and Portuguese to stop it, but it is their culture and it is down to them to stop it. There is also the whole of South America that practice Bull Fighting. I have never been to one and never will go. Good on you Catalonia!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830882&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98830889" class=" stripe">158. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98830889" name="comment158">2:17pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358040">pb</a> wrote:</cite>140. potatolord wrote: They banned dogfighting in the UK as it was a sport of the poor, while still allowing hunting and shooting, but I can't see a dog fight is any crueller than a Banned because it was the sport of the poor!!! What complete tosh! If that was the case we would have seen the end of football long ago. I think you need to get rid of that chip on your sholder. Dogfighting is quite different to foxhunting - the fox gets away more often than not and always has a chance to escape and a kill is usually quick and it serves a purpose beyond the hunt - it helps livestock farmers by keeping the fox population down; in dogfighting there is no escape, they fight with terrible injuries and often die a slow painful death and it is pure bloodlust. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98830889&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831051" class="">159. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831051" name="comment159">2:20pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14354453">BradyFox</a> wrote:</cite>The bulls may not have won any battles but looks like they could win the war <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831051&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831149" class=" stripe">160. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831149" name="comment160">2:21pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14249153">David Traynier</a> wrote:</cite>"124. At 1:33pm on 28 Jul 2010, Dungabosta wrote: I watched a "Corrida de Torros" in Barcelona about 10 years ago. I have to say it was the most exiting sport I have ever seen. The bulls were so pumped up (possibly on steroids if not just anger) that one actually jumped over the barrier and chased a lady spectator. It was absolutely awesome, although the stewards managed to block the bull before it reached her and she had to be carried out the area on a cart. Anyway, I don't think it's a massive harm to the bulls, they do get killed relatively swiftly once a few spears have been implanted in the backs and the adrenaline must make the pain a lot less. I think the value of tradition is greater than the counterargument on animal rights and there are a lot more things I would stop before bull fighting such as zoos or battery farmed chickens which are far more widespread. What will be next, banning horse racing it makes horses tired? Stopping sheep herding because it scares some sheep? We could be left in an extremely bland world." ________________________ This post would be comical were it not so utterly awful. I hope it's some sort of spoof and I apologise if I've missed the joke. Surely this: "Anyway, I don't think it's a massive harm to the bulls, they do get killed relatively swiftly once a few spears have been implanted in the backs and the adrenaline must make the pain a lot less." is the blackest of humour and attempt to draw attention to the moral bankruptcy of those who enjoy cruelty. What depths a person must have reached where they support sadism in order to keep their world from being 'bland'. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831149&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831301" class="">161. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831301" name="comment161">2:24pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=6326540">DibbySpot</a> wrote:</cite>It is time for this barbaric practice to be banned yes. However, with Spain in such a financial mess and tourist dollars desperately needed one might question if this is the right time. The sport would "wither on the vine". <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831301&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831394" class=" stripe">162. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831394" name="comment162">2:26pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14358040">pb</a> wrote:</cite>150. DucatiRossa wrote: I can't understand why it should be acceptable to watch two people beating each other to a pulp. This is getting silly now. Boxing is a sport performed by two people who want to box. Why should we have the right to say that they shouldn't be allowed to. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831394&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831605" class="">163. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831605" name="comment163">2:29pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568239">suz</a> wrote:</cite> I think all bull fighting should be banned it's barbaric and cruel to animals... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831605&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831712" class=" stripe">164. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831712" name="comment164">2:31pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14362355">Lewis Fitzroy</a> wrote:</cite> "All blood sports are outdated, Now can we have a total bann on all forms of hunting for pleasure? Bullfighting is not a sport ,it is a part of an old {Pagan} religon The same as bull -jumping, The fore=runner of gymnastics and some ball games i.e Football [ AZTEC] these games have been around for thousands of years , How can you stop history . <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831712&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98831810" class="">165. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98831810" name="comment165">2:32pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14535287">Luca</a> wrote:</cite> I agree, we're in 2010. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98831810&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98832354" class=" stripe">166. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98832354" name="comment166">2:42pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14566867">apparently</a> wrote:</cite> The middle path: Rather than having it banned, i would campaign for grass-roots bullfighting: one man, armed only with a cloak, showing genuine skill and bravery by using his artistry and cunning to wear the animal down, wrestle it to the ground, and assert his dominance over a live, and undrugged, opponent. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98832354&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98832847" class="">167. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98832847" name="comment167">2:50pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14357064">fedupwiththelotofthem</a> wrote:</cite>Of course its barbaric, I hate the sport, I love the country, but this is one side I do not support. The country needs to get out of the dark ages on this one, it serves no purpose in a modern world. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98832847&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98832906" class=" stripe">168. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98832906" name="comment168">2:51pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14381649">Luiz</a> wrote:</cite> It was about time to end that sadistic practice!If the fight was bare handed I would like to see it, but the way it is carried out it is very unfair as the bull dies anyway regardless if the bullfighter wins or not. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98832906&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98833138" class="">169. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98833138" name="comment169">2:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568251">whatareyathinkin</a> wrote:</cite>BAN IT! What year are we in, lots of old traditions have turned out to be wrong and bad to continue. Example: the abuse of children by lets see... Priests, little league coaches, boy scout leaders, etc. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98833138&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98833217" class=" stripe">170. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98833217" name="comment170">2:56pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14354469">th3_0r4cl3</a> wrote:</cite> 110. At 1:07pm on 28 Jul 2010, mridul_h wrote: As far as bearing of a life to one is concern which is nothing but just energy in the form of an order within all living beings and hence we are all same and equal except carrying of different Brains. A man carries much more activities of both good as well as bad unlike other lives, where such activities of the Brain are bare minimum nonetheless the pain undertaken by one is always same or similar. While some expresses it with enough of gestures, the others absorb it. Since we are all part of Mother Nature, she has her own ways and means to bring equilibrium to the entire environment in-spite of our living in the space within the Universe. Therefore all lives, living under the embrace of Mother Nature are full-filling the deficiencies of the others to make ourselves complete and one. Even if one is unavailable, we shall instantly become incomplete. Such is the demand of requirement of each one of us to make ourselves complete in all respects. As and when we go deeper in to the Subject to know about forming of body of human beings and that of Animal worlds or in-fact all living beings, all these are a mass of tiny cells, trillions in numbers but living together by virtue of having intense love between each other of which each one is functioning most independently from one end to the other of the body and each of which is engaging in doing of different job from the other counter parts living together. Each one is also going through the same life cycle as we are carrying on outside with an infinite numbers of such systems inside of each. Therefore as far as existence of body of one is concern, there is no difference between man and other lives including that of Animals. Hence there is no difference between each other of us that is existed seen or unseen, living or non-living. By inflicting of a pain to one irrespective of living or non-living, whom we are hurting? Since a body is bounded by love irrespective of a static or solid or living object, we are surely attacking the relationship of love existed between each other within it that are responsible for forming the said object only. The moment, we force-in a foreign object to one’s body, the pain is undertaken by Mother Nature only which is none by us only. When we do it against human, we cry to express it, the Animal cannot do so being expressing of such gestures are absent in them notwithstanding the same amount of pain is absorb by it, while feeling the forceful separation between various cells at that particular point or area of the body. Therefore it is showing of utmost cruelty of one on the other of the same life bearing object. The moment we learn to know that the object too whom are inflicting pain is none other than oneself only; the said entity shall start bleeding within oneself absorbing the pain of the one who is unable to express it. Since Love is God, we are surely inflicting harm to the omnipresent Lord only by doing so, which shall surface within us in one form or the other as no action of one go without producing a reverse result of equal intensity. Therefore we hail the decision of the Parliament of Catalonia for passing the legislation of stopping the Bull Fight within its National territory. (Dr.M.M.HAZARIKA, PhD) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ OMG guess who's running the assylum <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98833217&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98833251" class="">171. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98833251" name="comment171">2:57pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14385576">Stephen Chin</a> wrote:</cite>Yes, bull fighting should be banned. Also: eating beef, and pork, and poultry and fish. Every second of the day of the week of the month of the year there is murder with cruelty going on for our pleasure. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98833251&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98833495" class=" stripe">172. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98833495" name="comment172">3:01pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=5388476">arunmehta</a> wrote:</cite> Yes this barbaric 'sport' should be banned.However to bring it to a final closure it should be permitted with Matador fighting without any goring instrument and only with his bare hands.This will bring it's final closure faster. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98833495&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98833796" class="">173. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98833796" name="comment173">3:06pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14540374">LabourBrokeBritain</a> wrote:</cite>We are all animals with animal instincts. Deep down most real men love a bit of blood and gore, some just don't want to admit it. I hate all this wishy washy nonsense. According to wikipedia Catalonia has an official population of 7,504,881. 180,000 poxy signatures means they are pandering to moaning, minority simpletons. Hardly democratic. You could probably get 180,000 signatures to ban stamp collecting on the basis that its boring. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98833796&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834031" class=" stripe">174. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834031" name="comment174">3:10pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14415313">Bella Liberty</a> wrote:</cite>Bullfighting is a traditional sport, should ban bullfighting than Boxing. Also there are many risky sports in Spain. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834031&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834064" class="">175. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834064" name="comment175">3:11pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14205636">Grubble</a> wrote:</cite>Don't kill them. Fight them. But don't kill them. Skillful people, men and women, can train to wrestle them to the ground by grabbing their horns and putting them into submission holds. The legendary karate master, Mas Oyama, born in 1923, and who died in 1993,fought bulls in Japan with his bare hands. He fought over 50 bulls. Unfortunately, he killed some of them and, unfortunately, he managed to chop off some bulls' horns with the edge of his hand (Jimmy Hendrix). By all means fight them, even knock them out, but don't kill them. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834064&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834251" class=" stripe">176. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834251" name="comment176">3:15pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=562361">Rog D Man</a> wrote:</cite>What should be banned is the "bull" coming out of the Westminster! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834251&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834377" class="">177. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834377" name="comment177">3:17pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=7694273">Japanbytes</a> wrote:</cite> It will mean that Catalonia has, at last, joined the human race. Shame about the rest of Spain. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834377&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834406" class=" stripe">178. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834406" name="comment178">3:18pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568251">whatareyathinkin</a> wrote:</cite> BAN IT!!!!! Like so many other OLD traditions they turn out to be something completely different when looked at closely. Example: Priests and alter boys!!!!! Barbaric at Best. I am quite sure the Bulls are not thrilled, they are being forced to run down humans? and the humans who participate? We are the thinking/reasoning animal on this planet and yet we do neither and can not be trusted to do the right thing?? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834406&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834643" class="">179. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834643" name="comment179">3:21pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=12695162">JaneBasingstoke</a> wrote:</cite>No-one's mentioned bull leaping, more dangerous for the humans involved, but much kinder to the bulls. And with a history that goes back to the civilisation that may have inspired the Atlantis legend. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-leaping">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-leaping</a> <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834643&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98834956" class=" stripe">180. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98834956" name="comment180">3:26pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568309">estheramigo</a> wrote:</cite>And when will the "toros embolados" be ban? Animal cruelty or Catalan tradition???? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98834956&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835075" class="">181. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835075" name="comment181">3:28pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568318">Nuria40</a> wrote:</cite> Today is a happy day for me: on the one hand, the Catalan Parliament has passed a people-supported act which puts an end to a barbaric tradition; and, in addition to this, we Catalans enjoy, even if it is only for one day, worldwide publicity which will hopefully show to the rest of the world what Spain is doing to our tiny nation in terms of abusive and unfair taxing, curtailing our freedom and trying to destroy our culture, our traditions and, most importantly, our language. Catalonia is the engine driving the rest of Spain, and has been so for the last 300 years. Being a Catalan in some areas of Catalonia (notably those within the Barcelona industrial belt) is almost heroic nowadays; in Spain, most people regard Catalans as an unpleasant anomaly and attitudes are becoming increasingly polarised, so much so that most Spaniards today see the act passed by the Catalan Parliament as an act of “defiance” against Spain. The most important thing here is that a horrific tradition has been put an end to and, this is the real beauty of it, that it has happened thanks to popular initiative. Talk about democracy taken to the extreme. And, since we are at it, yes, it also sets us Catalans aside from Spaniards and shows that we are – well, just different. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835075&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835155" class=" stripe">182. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835155" name="comment182">3:29pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14261913">nyakairu</a> wrote:</cite>YES. Ban it. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835155&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835162" class="">183. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835162" name="comment183">3:29pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=8878778">remabcastle</a> wrote:</cite>Personally I don't think it should be banned. We are humans, hunters and fighters. As long as there's people out there who will support the sport by buying tickets then it has every right to carry on. I think it's only when it requires public funds to maintain it that the people should speak, and if that's EU funds then EU voices not just Spain. Until then it's not our issue. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835162&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835310" class=" stripe">184. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835310" name="comment184">3:31pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14396565">albert_farqwitte</a> wrote:</cite>Yes it should be banned - and whilst they are at it they should also ban the daft dancing with all that foot stamping, castanets and tight trousers with high nine inch waist bands. p.s. and flamenco guitarists. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835310&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835592" class="">185. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835592" name="comment185">3:36pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568322">HERNU</a> wrote:</cite> Contrary to what I've read, bullfighting is not a question for the Spaniards only; it's a matter that can be decided at European level, i.e in Brussels. If the EU decided against bullfighting then Spain and South West France (let's not forget them) would have to comply. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835592&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835793" class=" stripe">186. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835793" name="comment186">3:40pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568334">Toni Macarroni</a> wrote:</cite>Catalan parlamant just aproved against Toros bullfights as a cruel tradition of Spanish. But the article is missing, the Catalonian politics are at the same time making a low allowing ‘Correbous’; toros with torches on flames hanging on their horns at the level of the eyes, running inside the town in the night while a multitude of drunk uncontrolled people annoys the toro for their fun kicking, splashing, shooting fireworks on their ears, picking them from the tail....That correbous are considered tradition. Toros are cruel. Catalan Correbous too. Catalan are taking every single advantage to tell "hey, we are different than spaniards'. But afre not. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835793&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98835954" class="">187. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98835954" name="comment187">3:42pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=3379389">tinman9898</a> wrote:</cite> Bullfighting and the running of the bulls is barbaric. My partner is Spanish and she is always saying how ashamed she is of the practice especially when we watch TVE (Spanish tv) via sattelite and they show the Buuls being beaten with sticks and stabbed with swords by a baying mob. We spend time in Spain each year and none of the locals I know there think bull fighting should continue. Their opinion is that they want it stopped in the whole of Spain. Other countries have bullfighting but they do not torture or kill the bulls and treat them more humanely. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98835954&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836234" class=" stripe">188. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836234" name="comment188">3:47pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568348">habvalencia</a> wrote:</cite> its pointless trying to think the way the spànish do. they dont understand the meaning of discrimination or racism. you tell them something is discrimination and they look at you as if you are from another planet. the same applies with cruelty to animals <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836234&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836307" class="">189. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836307" name="comment189">3:48pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568348">habvalencia</a> wrote:</cite>All posts are pre-moderated. What does this mean ?? its means there is free speech providing your viewpoint agrees with that of the bbc bod that clicks the yes or no button. in other words like spain under francos rule if you didnt agree with him you beocme on of the 10000000 slaughtered. its called free speech <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836307&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836326" class=" stripe">190. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836326" name="comment190">3:49pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568344">Grofaz</a> wrote:</cite> Traditions should continue as long as they are positive traditions. There are a lot of older traditions (such as genital mutilation or men hitting women) that are or should be totally abandoned. I applaud the Catalonia decision of banning the bullfights, it is an example which other countries ought to readily follow. When are we going to understand that all relationships (with other people, with nature, with animals) start and are based upon respect? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836326&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836349" class="">191. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836349" name="comment191">3:49pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14490654">krokodil</a> wrote:</cite> Anthony Rat wrote: '4. At 09:55am on 28 Jul 2010, krokodil wrote: At least their proposed ban is not based on the thinly disguised class war notions that did for hunting in britain. Its a spanish decision for them to make at the end of the day.' Krokodil, stop living in the past, as far as I can tell, there's only 2 classes in the UK, Upper Classes, such as Royalty, Lords etc and the rest of us. Going back a few years, my mum and dad were working class, but I do a middle class job, so what class am I then? Get real, the class system is dead, thankfully! ======================================================================== Speak for yourself! Class is very much alive and its great to be above the great unwashed. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836349&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836453" class=" stripe">192. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836453" name="comment192">3:51pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568347">FERRAN</a> wrote:</cite>Hello I am Catalan and I do not understand how some people may try to believe that this law has been approved to disturb the rest of the Spanish ... we are talking about a torture to an animal! Only for the amusement of a minority. From the Spanish media would have us believe that it is a step towards the independence of Catalonia or in retaliation for recent events, painful. If a torture ban anyone bothers to talk with a psychologist. On the other hand I am sad to see that in a globalized world people do not criticize the bad habits of other places just do not belong to the same territory, one thing is to have no power to change something and quite another not to criticize (if you think A) a barbarism only for that reason. A greeting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836453&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836497" class="">193. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836497" name="comment193">3:51pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567992">weeyinz27</a> wrote:</cite>Question? Since Alot of you are saying it's none of our business, should we next time we see a small child starve in a 3rd world country, butt out? Or the next time the news breaks of a dod being starved to death should we not be appauled and want justice for this animal? Please don't think I am likining the life of a child to an animal I am simply using an analogy. People please take the blinkers off!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836497&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836823" class=" stripe">194. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836823" name="comment194">3:57pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568360">sugoru</a> wrote:</cite>Catalonia is not the first region of Spain to ban bullfighting. The first were the Canary Islands, but no one complained then... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836823&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98836841" class="">195. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98836841" name="comment195">3:57pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14369517">Icebloo</a> wrote:</cite> Wow - Spain is moving along in leaps and bounds these days ! Congratulations on such a great decision. I wish you the best of luck. Spain - your wonderful progressiveness is making the UK look bad - especially now we have Cameron and Clegg moving us back to the dark days of the 1980's. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98836841&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837026" class=" stripe">196. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837026" name="comment196">4:00pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14339316">Jordi Margalef</a> wrote:</cite> As a Catalan, I am proud that our elected Members of Parliament have decided to outlaw bullfighting. Such barbaric "tradition", and foreign to Catalonia too, is more appropriate of Third World Countries than any so-called civilized and democratic European society. Catalans, today, are exultant for two reasons. One, this cruel practice has been banned, approaching us to the modern day concept of animal protection. Second, probably the most stereotypical portrait of Spain will be taken off Catalonia and its culture. Therefore, we will shout out loud "No more gory Spanish "fiesta" in Catalonia!" Would you still like to see an animal being tortured and killed in front of your very eyes? Then you must go to Spain, not Catalonia. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837026&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837154" class="">197. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837154" name="comment197">4:02pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=8558609">Scotty</a> wrote:</cite> God help us all if the vegetarin PC brigade finally rule the world. What a beige thing life would be. I think that bullfighting is utterly barbaric but it's not for me or anyone on here to critisize other cultures and traditions. I mean I disliked fox hunting but supported people's rights to take part in them. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837154&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837158" class=" stripe">198. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837158" name="comment198">4:02pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568354">warren</a> wrote:</cite> Bull Fighting ? Bulls dont fight,they react. What is witnessed at a so-called Bull Fight are men who lust for cruelty and like to show others how they can inflict pain and torment on an animal, then kill it so as to have adulation and respect. Its also about making money as well. What a stain on compasionate thoughts. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837158&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837462" class="">199. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837462" name="comment199">4:08pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14564764">Ivan Velasquez</a> wrote:</cite>I think that bullfighting is not healthy for the bulls. Besides, just this year there have been a few gored bullfighters. I am all for it. Ban bullfighting, boxing, hunting, whale hunting altogether. Thank you, Cataluña!!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837462&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837515" class=" stripe">200. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837515" name="comment200">4:09pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14340801">Andrew Kerr</a> wrote:</cite>Any nation which tortures animals in an arena for the entertainment of its citizenry should hang its head in shame. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837515&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837788" class="">201. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837788" name="comment201">4:14pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13778386">Worldcitizen1</a> wrote:</cite>If the same format is continued to be used in the future where the bull is ultimately killed and there is minimal protection for the Matador, then yes, bull fighting should be banned. There are ways to still allow this sport to continue though so that everyone is happy. Stop throwing arrows at the bull 'till it bleeds to death and cut the first inch of the bull's horn off so the matador does not get seriously injured. Not only will the sport be acceptable but, the bulls will actually enjoy coming onto the stage for another fight. They will have a chance to plan their strategies as do the matadors do after each fight. Then, you will see some competition happening. True, that would mean that the matador would also have to improve his/her own skills too. It is simply too one side as it stands now. The Matador has too much advantage over the bull. It would be a lot more entertaining my way. People would have their favorite bulls just as they have their favorite auto racing drivers. It would be actually fun to watch. It would be CLEAN fun too. It should never be considered entertainment when a person or an animal is being injured. Though Injury is always a possibility in any sport, that is why there are forms of protection for the players and for the audience too. That's why it is fun to watch. The games at the Roman coliseums were stopped for the same reasons. Too many people began to question their value in society. My advise to the bull fighting association is to clean it up or stop it altogether. P.S. I have no problem with fox hunting. I DO have a problem with hunters pulling the fox out of its hole by the tail and watching the dogs rip it to shreds. If the fox made it to its burrow, then that should be the end of the hunt for that fox, that day. Also, no fox, or any other hunted animal should be allowed to be torn to shreds by the hunting dogs. There is an honor to hunting as there should be for all that we do on this planet. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837788&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837849" class=" stripe">202. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837849" name="comment202">4:15pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568388">markpedersen</a> wrote:</cite> I am Catalan. To the believe by many that this process is an attempt by nationalist-minded Catalans to mark their difference from the rest of Spain by rejecting one of its best known traditions, I must object that this process was not at all directly iniciated by nationalist-minded Catalans. Also, that the bullfighting is indeed also a Catalan tradition. Also that the PSC (Catalan Socialist Party) in the Catalan Government is part of a State party which dictates its guidelines. I also could object that, in Catalonia, another Catalan tradition has almost disappeared due to European norms and popular rejection. So my opinion is that conscience moves ahead, step by step, by whatever means, be them laws or the natural course of cultural evolution. At the meantime, Catalonia has other really important (economic) matters to discuss with the Spanish Government and other conflicts to be solved, so matters like the bullfighting banning are used to weaken the Catalan negociation position and make us (catalans) be seen as not less than counter-patriots which do not deserve to be treated justly in economic matters (they think we spare too much money on catalan nationalist politics when the truth is that catalan budged has been by many years unjustly short of 15.000 million Euros), and so my opinion is that the part which most interest shows to confront the population of other regions of Spain with that of Catalonia are State main Parties and specially the Popular Party (now in the opposition at the Spanish Parliament) which is known to constantly provoke and use the popular irrational rage against the "fet diferencial català" and the idea of the counter-nature, irrational and -according to many (include me)- counter-contitutional-spirit "una, grande y libre" Spain in the benefit of their election yield. When the truth is that most Catalans, including many non-nationlists, would want Spain to stop being "different" and start being different from what it is now. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837849&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98837856" class="">203. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98837856" name="comment203">4:15pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568018">Maico</a> wrote:</cite> This is all gone a bit crazy....We all go to the Supermarket tonight, most of us that have condemned Bullfighting, and buy a Chicken for dinner in Tesco's, that has been foresably grown in 18 weeks, conditions that will make your mind boggle, sitting in its own urine and other stuff or Farmed Fish with the skin lice removed, Veal meat only fed on its mothers milk then slaughtered in a abatoire....and for all middle class folk on this forum, I haven't left you out a Foie Gras Dinner. Lets get some perspective people. The food we eat on a day to day basis is more massacred than the poor bull. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98837856&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98838085" class=" stripe">204. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98838085" name="comment204">4:18pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355316">milvusvestal</a> wrote:</cite>It is extremely difficult to believe that, in this, the 3rd millenium, parts of the world still carry out acts of cruelty and barbarity to creatures less fortunate than the human race; such wanton behaviour, under the guise of "culture" and "tradition", place supporters of bull-fighting on a level lower than the unfortunate bulls. Any right-minded person would find bull-fighting abhorrent. The only sense of ritual justice that comes from it is when a bull gets its own back, but even that is short-lived. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98838085&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98838152" class="">205. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98838152" name="comment205">4:19pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14356018">Richard Smart</a> wrote:</cite>156. At 2:17pm on 28 Jul 2010, Toby Goodall wrote: "'Free Country'. What part of 'free' do some people not understand? You cannot ban a thing because you do not like it." Of course you can. That is basically the reason to ban anything. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98838152&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98838447" class=" stripe">206. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98838447" name="comment206">4:25pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568239">suz</a> wrote:</cite> Ban it!!!! those poor animals!!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98838447&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98838495" class="">207. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98838495" name="comment207">4:26pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2140297">Richard</a> wrote:</cite>171. At 2:57pm on 28 Jul 2010, Stephen Chin wrote: Yes, bull fighting should be banned. Also: eating beef, and pork, and poultry and fish. Every second of the day of the week of the month of the year there is murder with cruelty going on for our pleasure. I see the thought police are out in full today! For your information sir, whether meat is or isn't murder is a matter of opinion not fact. My own opinion is that it isn't. Good day. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98838495&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98838668" class=" stripe">208. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98838668" name="comment208">4:28pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14269875">George</a> wrote:</cite> Yes, it should be banned. it is too cruel to have an animal run n around with knife blades in him. Have humans fight humans instead. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98838668&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98839485" class="">209. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98839485" name="comment209">4:42pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568398">jtbines</a> wrote:</cite> I do believe that bullfighting is cruel and the bulls suffer a terrible death in the ring. However, I have only seen one bullfight and was surprised that I enjoyed it so much, it was an amazing spectacle and I wasn't as horrified as I had expected. It is very important to look at the whole life of the bulls in assessing the morality of sport in general. The fighting bulls (toros bravos) enjoy a far better life than most farm animals, especially those bred for meat. They live a good life for 4 or 5 years and most importantly are not mutilated like many farm animals....i.e. they keep their cojones! If I had a choice I would certainly prefer to be a toro bravo than a chicken, a pig, a lamb or a bull bred for meat; a good life with a terrible end versus a poor short life with a painless end - absolutely no contest in my opinion. I'm always surprised that such discussions about animal cruelty focus almost entirely on the way they are killed and not on the quality of their lives, which I think is more important. Clearly vegetarians can legitimately make a strong argument in favour of the ban but anyone who eats meat/chicken etc are guilty of terrible hypocrisy if they support the ban. Also, a full ban in Spain would probably mean an end to this particular species, except for a few examples in zoos. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98839485&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98839626" class=" stripe">210. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98839626" name="comment210">4:45pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14510816">LM</a> wrote:</cite>Bullfighting is not art. It is ritualized cruelty and has no place in the modern world, along with dog fights, cock fights and other barbarisms. I am happy to hear that Catalonia has banned it, and I will be happier still when the rest of Spain follows suit. Just because something is traditional, it doesn't necessarily mean we have to continue it forever. Public executions were a long-standing tradition all over Europe since Roman times and probably earlier, and at some point in history people enjoyed watching them. We, at least in the Western world, have moved beyond that stage. I'd like to think we can now move beyond using the elaborate death of an animal as a form of entertainment. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98839626&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98840215" class="">211. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98840215" name="comment211">4:54pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568437">javassiliou</a> wrote:</cite> Way to go Catalonia! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98840215&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98840450" class=" stripe">212. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98840450" name="comment212">4:57pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568443">mdp3157</a> wrote:</cite>As a Brit living in Catalunya I feel that this is nothing more than a politcal stunt. Most bull fighting rings in this region have long since ceased to be used for bull fights. All my Catalan friends can't remember the last time they saw a bull fight advertised. This is yet another way of making Catalunya stand out from the rest of Mainland Spain and a great political move to further the calls for Catalan indepndence. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98840450&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98840474" class="">213. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98840474" name="comment213">4:58pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568442">zeScientist</a> wrote:</cite>After helping Spain win the worldcup, the Catalans just helped a part of Spain advance a century or two by ending this barbaric outdated tradition. Nice. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98840474&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98840640" class=" stripe">214. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98840640" name="comment214">5:01pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14356062">Albert</a> wrote:</cite>Yes it should be banned. Inflicting pain and cruelty on a living creature for the sole purpose of "sport" is despicable. I hope any tourists visiting Spain will boycott this barbarity where it still exists. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98840640&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98841169" class="">215. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98841169" name="comment215">5:10pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568457">ivyb03</a> wrote:</cite>The "sport" is barbaric and cruel. I understand that it is tradition, but not all traditions are morally and ethically acceptable. The tradition of foot binding also had a long cultural history but it eventually was deemed to be gruesome and cruel. Change is good, especially when it's done in order to preserve a sense of empathy and humanity. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98841169&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98841266" class=" stripe">216. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98841266" name="comment216">5:11pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14257888">crash</a> wrote:</cite> This is another step in the attempt to make us one huge world that is all the same.When you watch the news it is hard to tell which country is which,we are becoming a faceless world. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98841266&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98841559" class="">217. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98841559" name="comment217">5:17pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568461">MG1966</a> wrote:</cite> To cause great pain, suffering, and death to a non-human animal - as bull-fighting in Spain does - simply for entertainment, is as clear a case of a cruel, barbaric, and immoral act as one can imagine. That it is a tradition is no better a defence of bull-fighting than it would be in the case of bear-baiting, slavery, or any other manifest moral abuse. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98841559&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98841921" class=" stripe">218. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98841921" name="comment218">5:23pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=3893179">cd8jbr</a> wrote:</cite>Yes, it should be banned no question. It's way more barbaric than fox hunting ever was and how any so-called civilised country could maintain it is beyond me. Now, hopefully the rest of Spain will have the sense, good taste and decency to follow suit. Or maybe this is one for the EU...maybe they could ban this type of 'entertainment' which is so obviously cruel if Spain won't. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98841921&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98842148" class="">219. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98842148" name="comment219">5:27pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568478">Derek Williams</a> wrote:</cite>At last, slowly but surely the human race gets dragged (kicking and screaming) into becoming a humane society. It may take some time yet but I am sure that eventually bullfighting will disappear throughout all of Spain, and so it should, it will just take time. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98842148&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98842560" class=" stripe">220. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98842560" name="comment220">5:36pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568490">Eugenia_Susmart</a> wrote:</cite> Yes, indeed, I agree with the ban of bullfighting. For it is a horrible way of enterteinment based on the suffering and torture of an animal. No matter if it is a way to create art, because the art created comes through violence and death. Wars have also been a way to create art, but we do not make statements in support of that form of violence by calling it culture, by protecting it by law. Do not be deceived. Torture IS NOT, and will never be, Culture. From my point of view, banning any form of violence IS always the way for a Society to progress ethically and morally. Just one more thing. Catalonian is not "the first region of mainland Spain to ban bullfighting". In 1991, in the CANARY ISLANDS, bullfighting was banned, for the law "forbids the use of animals in fights, parties, shows and other activities involving abuse, cruelty or suffering". What is more, it is said in the autonomic law that "the public authorities shall refrain from acts which involve promotion of activities connected". Regards. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98842560&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98842756" class="">221. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98842756" name="comment221">5:40pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568451">Angelsbd</a> wrote:</cite>Of course it had to be outlawed. It's been. We, Catalans, have finally a reason to be proud of our politicians. I've read many comments that I'd like to specify: 1. To those who name this a sport: do you think that thieves fleeing of the police are sportsmen? And what about Curro Romero? 2. To those who want to protect this as a historic tradition: "droit du seigneur" also was. Let's recover it! 3. To those who name this as a fight: it's only a spectacle of torture and blood. 4. To those who talk about Art: Goya painted many times about war. 5. To those who want to use it to confront Catalonia vs Spain: there are many other important points to do it. The civilization continues advancing. At least in Catalonia. Visca Catalunya lliure! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98842756&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98843004" class=" stripe">222. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98843004" name="comment222">5:44pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568509">Stuart Medina</a> wrote:</cite>With the ban on bullfighting today passed by the Catalan Parliament we are one step closer to the abolition of this savage tradition in Spain. The Canary Islands banned this festivity in 1991 and I would expect some other regions to follow suit in a few years. In another decade I am sure that they will be banned in the whole of Spain. It is a slow process but it is probably irreversible even though now the pro-bullfighting lobbies will put up a harder stance with the support of that beacon of reactionary thinking in Europe, the Partido Popular. Remember that it took centuries to abolish human sacrifice or slavery. I am now more confident in the progress of the human being toward humane civilization and more hopeful that we will advance toward the prohibition of other barbaric traditions: boxing, forced marriage, prostitution, the death penalty, hunting, etc… The progress made today in Catolonia is an encouraging sign that all these things will become extinct sooner or later. Visca Catalunya! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98843004&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98843424" class="">223. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98843424" name="comment223">5:54pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13670034">vivalavirgen</a> wrote:</cite>This sentence in the BBC report is not true: "In Portugal and the south of France the bull is not killed in the ring." In several cities in south of France, such as Arles or Nimes, "Spanish-style corridas" in which the bull is killed take place regularly. I expect from BBC to correct this mistake. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98843424&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98843456" class=" stripe">224. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98843456" name="comment224">5:54pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568461">MG1966</a> wrote:</cite>Richard writes that whether eating meat is murder 'is a matter of opinion, not fact'. I wonder whether he would say the same about raising humans in factory farms, killing them, and eating their flesh. If he would, one might respect his consistency, but not his sense of morality; if he wouldn't one might respect his sense of morality (on that point, at least), but not his consistency. In my experience, the suggestion that a moral claim is 'merely a matter of opinion' is a ploy to dismiss the claim without bothering to provide any argument or reason. What is usually missed is that an opinion is a belief about what the *facts* are. Thus, saying 'my opinion is that eating meat is moral' implies that one also believes that there is a moral fact of the matter; their opinion is that the moral fact of the matter is that eating meat is moral. We clearly do not all agree about the moral facts, whether about eating non-human animals or, for that matter, about eating humans, but that does nothing to suggest that there are no such facts, or that each side is expressing mere opinion, or that no side is right and no side wrong. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98843456&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98843588" class="">225. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98843588" name="comment225">5:57pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14442139">Atomic_Mash</a> wrote:</cite>Bullfighting should NOT be banned. It is the only opportunity the best performing bulls have to live a long, happy life in a stud farm and avoid the slaughterhouse. Those that oppose bullfighting should be reminded of how slaughterhouses kill and process millions of these animals in assembly lines. It's not as "humane" as you might like to think. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98843588&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98843891" class=" stripe">226. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98843891" name="comment226">6:04pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14510816">LM</a> wrote:</cite>For those who accuse meat-eaters opposed to bullfighting of hypocrisy, I agree that factory farming is equally cruel. Abolishing bullfighting should not be seen in isolation, but as part of wider movement whereby all animal mistreatment is banished. As a physician and a scientist, I am not as naive as to believe that we can do away with absolutely every use of animals. There is a legitimate place for limited use of mice in cancer research, for example. However, these activities are heavily regulated in the Western world, and it is rigorously illegal to inflict any unnecessary pain and suffering. Anesthesia is mandatory, and veterinary doctors monitor the mice during treatment. Without approval from an institutional animal care committee, not even a single mouse can be used in medical research in Europe or the U.S.Penalties include permanent closure of the research program. This is how the use of animals in any human activity should be treated. As for meat eating, it's bad for you anyway. It's associated with colon cancer, breast cancer, hypercholesterolemia, atherosclerosis, hypertension, cardiac disease...Give it up, as I did long ago. You'll get used to it. You will save not only animal lives, but your own health. And you'll be able to condemn bullfighting without fearing accusations of hypocrisy. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98843891&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98843959" class="">227. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98843959" name="comment227">6:05pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568538">Carlos</a> wrote:</cite> That's one small step for mankind, one giant leap for bulls ... From Barcelona. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98843959&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98844547" class=" stripe">228. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98844547" name="comment228">6:19pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=5810832">Muhammad Zaman</a> wrote:</cite>Bullfighting is a cruel and unnecessary sport, just as foxhunting - with or without dogs - is, in Northern Ireland and Britain respectively. Whether bullfighting should be a part of Spanish culture is for the Spanish people to decide, though I applaud the many anti-bullfighting Spaniards who've put humane considerations and humanity above culture and tradition. I can hope similar consideration will one day ban all forms of foxhunting here too. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98844547&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98844549" class="">229. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98844549" name="comment229">6:19pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568551">richard</a> wrote:</cite>it goes without saying that bull fighting should indeed be banned, it is cruel and barbaric. which is exactly why it should not be shown in graphic detail at ten to six on bbc news24. i did not particularly enjoy seeing a bull's final moments whilst eating my evening meal but thankfully no children were present to witness it either. i am sure this important story can be covered thoroughly without the need for such images at this hour. the inevitable outcome of this cruelty can then be shown at an appropriate time. it is important that these images are seen as this can only hasten its demise, but not when innocent eyes could be watching. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98844549&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98844837" class=" stripe">230. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98844837" name="comment230">6:27pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14558445">Sphodrias</a> wrote:</cite> "The food we eat on a day to day basis is more massacred than the poor bull." _____________________________ One cruelty does not justify another. Ethical farming in this country is becoming more popular and not just for the 'middle classes'. Animal welfare is not a class issue. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98844837&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98844887" class="">231. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98844887" name="comment231">6:28pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568506">peribsen</a> wrote:</cite>In 1940, a foreign statesman was taken to a corrida. He found it barbaric. His name was Himmler. On the other hand, among famous aficcionados we could mention Picasso, Hemingway and even such tender souls like García Lorca. That certainly does not mean that enjoying the bullfight is a sign of sensitivity, but maybe those who consider it a sign of barbarism are missing something. It all winds down to the conflict between modern urban culture and our cattle herding past. In today's world it is acceptable to observe Nature as entertainment, or with the detached gaze of the naturalist, or even to imbue it with anthropocentric feelings ('poor little rabbit being eaten by bad ugly fox'). But behaviours that actually acknowledge man as a creature of Nature are frowned upon. Of course, civilization is about our capacity to stand above our instincts, but the least neurotic way to do so is to be aware of those instincts. Today we have shut down another of the few doors that allowed us to keep in touch with our own origins. We keep moving ahead towards a world where food -possibly transgenic- is presented on white foam dishes covered in plastic. Hygienic. Bleached. Devoid of even the slightest whiff of our relation to it as a species, as an animal. What brought so many artists and playwrights to the arena was precisely that primitive authenticity -admitedly not so easy to discern behind all the antiques, funny clothes and comercial interests- that ultimately underlies the corrida, which was in origin the final feast that closed the season of cattle breeding. The bulls were killed for food, but the best of them were fought instead of merely executed, as a reminder that Man may rule Nature but is part of it, forced to figth for the food of our survival. Now we buy our meat at the local mall, watch the telly for adventure and sports for excitement, are turists rather than travellers, watchers rather than doers, consumers rather than thinkers. Hardly a world worthy of mythology or big ideas. No wonder artists are a dwindling species. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98844887&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98844964" class=" stripe">232. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98844964" name="comment232">6:30pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14567830">ascincoquinas</a> wrote:</cite>Bull fighting is a tradition that should be respected. I respect those in favour of animals. But I must say that Bulls do not suffer in the arena. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98844964&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845031" class="">233. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845031" name="comment233">6:33pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14390497">Globalist80</a> wrote:</cite> Viewed in the abstract it is barbaric but as part of the great fiesta in Pamploma in July it is a extraordinarily exciting event Sparing the bull but preserving the ritual might be a fair compromise .A completely sanitized world would be very boring.No wine ,no woman ,no song no bullfights a fate worse than death. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845031&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845196" class=" stripe">234. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845196" name="comment234">6:37pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13636613">Fausto</a> wrote:</cite> To #166, I would certainly pay to watch that!!! But I also gather there would not be enough contestants daring to face the bull on the mano-a-mano. Shame. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845196&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845283" class="">235. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845283" name="comment235">6:39pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14225704">righteoussasquatch</a> wrote:</cite>English culture included Foxhunting, Spanish culture included bull fighting. Animal rights groups don't care for either, fair enough. But now foxes are coming into towns and attacking young babies! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845283&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845339" class=" stripe">236. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845339" name="comment236">6:41pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13800424">Karthick Arvinth</a> wrote:</cite>What happened today has been coming for a long time. Bullfighting was already dying in Catalonia. I think there were something like 10 fights held in La Monumental all of last season and I believe none of them were sold out. There is a great deal of nationalist feeling in Catalonia these days and seeing how bullfighting is a Castilian tradition, this was inevitable. And the political bickering was inevitable too. One side says the ban is just to spite the Spanish. The other says the ban is to stop a stupid, brutal business. If the issue here is animal cruelty, which I think is a good subject, then let's get serious. We kill animals in a million different ways for our consumption and experimenting - all of which is so much more barbarous. But nobody wants to debate along those lines because it does not have a politically profitable angle. You can't fault the Spanish or the Catalans for that. It's the sort of self-righteous hypocrisy that goes around a lot in politics. I personally like bullfighting. It's a truly captivating form of art. But you can never convince the anti-bullfight group to look past the blood and gore. They will only remember the most picturesque moment in the corrida e.g. the fatal stabbing of the bull, or say, the goring of a horse. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845339&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845364" class="">237. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845364" name="comment237">6:42pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568588">dave Goodrick</a> wrote:</cite> Great news on the banning of bullfights, now I will visit Catalonia. If they want to eat meat, at least slaughter it humanely, don't torture it just for the pleasure of the barbaric few. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845364&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845615" class=" stripe">238. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845615" name="comment238">6:48pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13800424">Karthick Arvinth</a> wrote:</cite>A few posters here say bullfighting is fast heading towards extinction - not gonna happen. Go to Las Ventas in Madrid on a Saturday night and you won't find a single empty seat. Besides, now that the Catalans have banned it, the Spanish will protect it like they do Picasso's Guernica in the Reina Sofia. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845615&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845749" class="">239. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845749" name="comment239">6:51pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568581">Esmerelda</a> wrote:</cite> 12. At 10:31am on 28 Jul 2010, Toothpick Harry wrote: Definately yes, the human race should have realised by now that killing for fun and entertainment is barbaric and wrong. Every animal has feelings just like us, yet we still deprive them of their dignity and right to a peacful non violent life. AMEN. Where I live in Washington State there is a similar tradition involving horses and Native Americans. It is called the Omak Stampede or Suicide Race and participants charge down a steep hill on their horse then swim or gallop across a wide river at the bottom. Many horses have died as a result. Native Americans call it "tradition" and claim it has spiritual benefits. What it really is is extreme animal cruelty in the name of entertainment. Disgusting and how a society can call itself "civilized" when it treats its animals in such a way is beyond me. And to all of you who say it's not our business, pull your head out of the sand and do something worthwhile by standing up to something that you know is inherently wrong! And read some A. Wainwright! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845749&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98845863" class=" stripe">240. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98845863" name="comment240">6:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14552622">Innocent_soul</a> wrote:</cite> I think that the right to take the most appropriate decision lies with the spaniards only.....if they consider corrida as a tradition unsuitable for their life style, then they are the people to decide that in the best manner.....generally speaking, animal rights must be taken into consideration before following any tradition, but it has been a long time now when this practice was carried out for the first time....so, that was the appropriate time to decide the matter regarding animal rights....if this was not considered at that time, then why they want to do it now....but anyhow, spaniards can decide it in the best way <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98845863&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846014" class="">241. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846014" name="comment241">6:59pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568506">peribsen</a> wrote:</cite>Some people are writing like if Spain had to catch up with modernity in its attitude towards animals. Since Spain is one of the first and few countries that has signed the Great Ape Rights Act that grants semi-human rights to major primates, I ask you to pressure your own governments to do likewise, and when they do so, maybe you can come back and we'll talk about animal rights. Oh, and while you are doing so, please make sure your own countries offer women, homosexuals, migrants and political refugees the same sort of equality Spanish laws grant them. Not so many countries do so, including many in the West. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846014&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846076" class=" stripe">242. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846076" name="comment242">7:01pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14551427">atrig</a> wrote:</cite> Definitely should be banned.Its barbaric and cruel no matter what the traditions hold.It falls in the same category as cock fight,dog fight,etc. Should Roman Gladiators re-surface since they also have a very long tradition? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846076&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846098" class="">243. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846098" name="comment243">7:01pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568607">Chirag</a> wrote:</cite>The cursory argument some of you are making that it's "tradition" is absolutely trifling. Do we still enslave people because of the color of their skins? No. Do we go into neighboring villages and burn their houses down? No. Just because it is "tradition" does not give us the right in present day to kill these bulls for mere entertainment. And stop saying "it's up to the Spanish to decide." This forum is asking your opinion what they should do. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846098&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846294" class=" stripe">244. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846294" name="comment244">7:06pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2587044">luskentyre</a> wrote:</cite>Phillip of England wrote: It is incredibly ignorant to force "your" sense of repulsion onto those who do not share them and to insist on laws being changed because "you" find something repulsive - in the case of bullfighting of course. Whose to say they find it repulsive? Philip - you're talking nonsense. My personal view is that it is repulsive and I personally believe it should be banned. I fail to see how it ceases to become a disgusting spectacle just because it happens to take place on another part of the planet. That is why organisations such as the WSPA, IFAW and the Born Free Foundation exist - to tackle cruelty wherever it occurs. What is ignorant is burying your head in the sand simply because it takes place outside your own insular, self-imposed jurisdiction. If the practice of decapitating 3 year old children was commonplace in Chile - would we simply shake our heads and say "it's up to them". I sincerely hope not. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846294&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846405" class="">245. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846405" name="comment245">7:10pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14501003">RichardGrey</a> wrote:</cite> '4. At 09:55am on 28 Jul 2010, krokodil wrote: At least their proposed ban is not based on the thinly disguised class war notions that did for hunting in britain. Its a spanish decision for them to make at the end of the day.' = = = = == Rubbish - The UK Ban on hunting with dogs had nothing to do with class - much more to do with barbaric method of killing for fun. Mind you that is a class - the class of barbarians against the class of humane treatment of animals Activists had campaigned for 50 years. The "Countryside Alliance" organised a London March - 250,000 attended only 20,000 were fox hunting supporters - everybody else was against hunting with dogs. I went to private school - obtained degrees - owned a FARM - I was always against fox hunting and coursing. As were a great many of my priviledged friends. Please note I am not against proper hunting and shooting in principle - just chasing terrified foxes and hares to death for entertainment. It is not a sport. The RSPCA also agree it is cruel. At last many Spanish are joining the 21st century by banning the equally barbaric activity of killing Bulls by slow stabbing while being protected by a number of men on horseback and others. Bull "fighting" should be banned. Now if the Bullfighter went out and defeated the Bull without cloak spears swords and the horsemen and other protectors. Then I'd agree. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846405&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846583" class=" stripe">246. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846583" name="comment246">7:14pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14302593">KissThisThen</a> wrote:</cite> I don't care if they ban it or not, I don't particularly agree with it, but then no-one agrees with me that we should hunt townies who don't like blood sports. Each to his own. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846583&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846860" class="">247. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846860" name="comment247">7:20pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355476">David Windsor</a> wrote:</cite> Really don't mind. If the Spanish want to do it, let them. The bull's going to die before its time anyway and as a meat-eater I'm not going to be bogus and come across sanctimonious about it. I don't notice any relationship between the people that go out on a limb for animal rights and being good people. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846860&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846865" class=" stripe">248. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846865" name="comment248">7:21pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14352931">paul</a> wrote:</cite> 4. At 09:55am on 28 Jul 2010, krokodil wrote: At least their proposed ban is not based on the thinly disguised class war notions that did for hunting in britain. Its a spanish decision for them to make at the end of the day. 197. At 4:02pm on 28 Jul 2010, Scotty wrote:but it's not for me or anyone on here to critisize other cultures and traditions. I mean I disliked fox hunting but supported people's rights to take part in them. Yes it is a decision for the Spanish Gov, however if tourists forgoe the spectacle of cruetly and slaughter it may bring about the change much faster. As for the nonsense about being a class war in Britain, I suppose you might say the Working class were picked upon when Bear Baiting/Cockfighting and Dog fighting were banned ? Its not about class its quite simply about cruelty and barbarism that have no place in a so called civilised society. As for other cultures, okay lets go back and encourage other countries to reinstate Head Hunting/Canabalism/Slavery all of which have thankfully disappeared just because a body of people do it does not mean we should condone it we should help hasten cruelty wherever it exists. And as for the Hunter Gatherers on HYS I expect most of your hunter gathering is done at Tesco's unless you are nipping into the farmers fields at night and having a go at the beef stock. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846865&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846871" class="">249. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846871" name="comment249">7:21pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568617">eduardo juan morales cobo</a> wrote:</cite> bullfighting and religious shows are nothing now a days than a way to socialite in spain mostly in the south and really nobody gives a shit about the actual thing it's going on, anyway have you ever been close to a 1000 pounds bull ????????????????????? chosen specifically for been the bravest.....well dificult to explain would you have the guts to "torearlo"..........you cowards!!! you think you conquer an empire for been so cool and civilized or because you were the toughest...keep dreaming...you'll end up like moroccans in 50 years!!! signed: (el puto amo) <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846871&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98846874" class=" stripe">250. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98846874" name="comment250">7:21pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568628">anderscaga</a> wrote:</cite> Ban it. Bullfighting is cruel and completely unnecessary. Or, how about if the Spanish want to continue this thing they call sport, come up with an alternative where the bull is spared, the matador can still have his glory, and the tourist can see the spectacle without an animal dying. Learning to be humane in this crazy inhumane world would be the right thing to do. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98846874&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847113" class="">251. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847113" name="comment251">7:26pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=1773643">The_Happy_Hammer</a> wrote:</cite> A Spanish friend of mine was accosted at a party once by an outraged Brit when he mentioned that he attended bullfights in his home town. She called him barbaric. He said that of course he was a barbarian for watching whereas we British were much more humane to our animals, but in Spain they do not put their elderly relatives into care homes to die once they have outlived their usefulness - maybe we should have a good long look at ourselves before we criticise the Spaniards <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847113&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847308" class=" stripe">252. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847308" name="comment252">7:31pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14352931">paul</a> wrote:</cite>235. At 6:39pm on 28 Jul 2010, righteoussasquatch wrote: English culture included Foxhunting, Spanish culture included bull fighting. Animal rights groups don't care for either, fair enough. But now foxes are coming into towns and attacking young babies! Pest control should take care of foxes, they don't move into towns because they fear the Beaufort hunt, its cos there's so much litter and scrap food available. We are talking of cruelty in the way foxhunting and bullfighting takes place. I sure you could think of a more humane method than ripping a sentient creature apart. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847308&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847333" class="">253. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847333" name="comment253">7:32pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=3605803">Grasshopper</a> wrote:</cite> If people want to show how brave they are, can they not find other more positive ways of doing so? Hear Hear! Torturing some poor beast for ages while sticking spikes into it & making it run around in what must be agony is barbaric. It is entirely up to the Spanish, of course, but surely, such savagry (sp?) belongs in the past - along with killing foxes for fun! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847333&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847342" class=" stripe">254. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847342" name="comment254">7:32pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568642">cierzo</a> wrote:</cite>As Spanish I am proud of finally some sense. Bearing this in mind, what it has not been told in the news, is that although Cataluña is banning the Bullfights, it is not banning all the festivals and shows where bulls are mistreated in their land, as they have protected them as part of their "national identity status" so they ban some forms for animal torture while allowing others such as the called "correbous". What I don't like of this banning is that is being used by the Catalan Nacionalist parties for politic reasons. For some information this tradition comes from the times of the Romans coliseums until today. One of the 1st remains of bullfights are archeology remains in Crete. Furthermore this animals are breed for only this purpose, so they are not ordinary bulls. Not only is Spain the main supporters of this tradition, the South of France, Portugal, and from Mexico to Argentina and Chile have their bullfights. As I said I am happy of this tradition to be died out, as it's frankly in mainly in Spain, but I don;t like the political usage of the Catalan politicians of it. Why banning the bullfights but not the correbous? If you ban something, you ban all. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847342&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847601" class="">255. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847601" name="comment255">7:38pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14349596">gerhard seeger</a> wrote:</cite> The Bull has not much of a chance,yes sometimes a Matator is hit by the Bulls Horns,but before the Matador comes out there had been the Toreos,Picadores and others(dont know if i got all d spelling right) The Bull is already weakened and in Pain,when the Master,the Matador comes in for the Final. It is cruel,the Spains say its part of their Culture,it is time they rethink whats so Culturell about killing a Bull in such a way. I did say it should be Banned. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847601&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847713" class=" stripe">256. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847713" name="comment256">7:40pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568640">Xiquet</a> wrote:</cite> At first, sorry because English is not my language, I'm a Catalan speaker. It's very interesting the BBC's opportunity to write about what people is thinking about that issue. In the catalan parliament we have heard for months an interesting debate betweenn different people than have expressed their opinion about. It have been a serious debate, with scientists, politicians, and others that have advocated in favour or against the ban of the "corridas". The only people have argued the question as an identity question between Catalonia or Spain have been the defenders of bull fighting. I think the fight against bullfighting have no country. The civilisation has changed many traditions and cultures. This is, for me, the question. Recent polls have said more than 90% of catalan people are against bullfighting. The parliament of Catalonia has decided in democracy the end of this tradition on 2012. This is the fact and I am very happy with this decision. Regards <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847713&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98847790" class="">257. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98847790" name="comment257">7:42pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14139570">Mopsy</a> wrote:</cite> Congratulations to Catalonia it’s a right step towards civilisation, bullfighting is a barbaric way of entrainment which I certainly do not consider a sport, defining a sport is where one opponent wins, in bull fighting the bull ends up being slaughtered how can one consider this a sport. You Spaniards are a crewel breed anyway and overall treat animals cruelly, I have see with my own eyes how the local treats their so-call pets. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98847790&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848146" class=" stripe">258. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848146" name="comment258">7:50pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568681">GeoffreyDC</a> wrote:</cite>Will the tourists shun Catalonia because bullfighting has been banned? Of course not - there are many other things to attract and enthrall them. As for whether "tradition" is justification for continuing this activity, that is no more valid than using tradition to justify female genital mutilation. What I do see in bullfighting is an exemplification of this testosterone-soaked "macho man" ideal that the thoroughly problem-ridden Ernest Hemingway "celebrated" over and over again in his works. And, of course, the more one knows about Hemingway, the more curious that all becomes. Farewell to the blood soaked ring! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848146&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848214" class="">259. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848214" name="comment259">7:52pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568610">_Agbonlahor_</a> wrote:</cite>I'm spanish and I have to say that all the anti-bullfighting comments I've been reading are wrong, coz'you are talking about the animal and how it hurts, but the point is what happens with all the rest of the animals?. It's funny see how the people are saying stop the bullfighting while they are eating a wonderful mcdonals hamburger,but probably the poor animal doesn't hurt living in 1m and eating all the day for get ready to be in your hamburger, it's all hypocresy and it's disgusting see how that people talks about freedom but they tell us what we can see or what we can't see it's as I said HYPOCRESY. And the catalans made it coz' they don't want to be part of Spain and it's a way to say to the people we are not spaniards but they are and they will be spaniards all his entire life. CATALONIA IS SPAIN!!!!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848214&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848281" class=" stripe">260. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848281" name="comment260">7:54pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355376">Dorsai</a> wrote:</cite>It's not a fight, it's ritualised infliction of pain and humiliation followed by slaughter. How often does the bull "win" the fight? NEVER! It's not even 1 on one. The sadist has helpers. Should the bull get the upper hand others quickly move in to save the sadist and kill the bull. Such activity makes me ashamed to be a member of the human race. NOW I would support it if... The fight was on equal terms. The sadist is only allowed the weapons nature gave, just like the bull is not allowed to carry a sword,... No fireworks, no sword, no cape, just bull V's unarmed man. I would bet on the bull. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848281&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848310" class="">261. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848310" name="comment261">7:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14375685">old cop USA</a> wrote:</cite> A barbaric enterprise. Let the humans stick each other with spears, & leave the bulls alone. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848310&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848460" class=" stripe">262. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848460" name="comment262">7:59pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14355376">Dorsai</a> wrote:</cite>I have never visited for a holiday a country that has Bull fighting, and actively check "made in" labels, so as ensure I do not buy products from them. Anyone watching such an event for "entertainment" is in my opinion seriously mentally ill. How is it fun to watch an animal being tortured to death? Sick, Sick, SICK. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848460&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848577" class="">263. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848577" name="comment263">8:02pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568690">lynntay</a> wrote:</cite>Well done Catalonia! Now all we need is for all the rest of Spain to follow in their footsteps. This will open up Spain to receiving more visitors who, like me, refuse to visit a country which allows such barbaric practices... What wonderful news! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848577&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848886" class=" stripe">264. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848886" name="comment264">8:10pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14352931">paul</a> wrote:</cite> Lest we admire the Brave Matador too much, its interesting to learn that in the interest of true sportsmanship, the bulls quite often have vaseline smeared onto their eyes to blurr their vision, the horns are shortened, thus the bull more often misses its target. The bulls neck muscles are severely weakend by the wonderful coloured spikes those jolly picadors stick in. The animal is released into an alien environment surrounded by cheering and shouting joe public which must be nice and relaxing for it. When the poor creature has been maddened by pain and exhaustion it falls to its knees and our hero nips up and shoves a sword into it. Good family entertainment............. Anyone paying to view this should hang their heads in shame. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848886&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848956" class="">265. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848956" name="comment265">8:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568431">Dada Nabhaniilananda</a> wrote:</cite>In his notable science fiction story "Childhood's End", Arthur C. Clarke tells how a benevolent alien race instruct humans to cease all cruelty to animals. When they humans do not comply, various strange incidents occur, including one where spectators of a bullfight feel the pain inflicted on the bull as their own. Finally they understood the true cost of their evil sport. A number of people have commented that though they feel that bullfighting is wrong the final decision should be made by the Spanish. This seems irrational to me. If torturing animals is wrong, it is just as wrong if it is done in Spain as if it is done in England, and I don't see how citizens of a nation have the right to torture animals in their country, and more than people have to right to torture humans anywhere. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848956&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98848961" class=" stripe">266. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98848961" name="comment266">8:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13849448">osteogenesis</a> wrote:</cite> Well done to Catalonia. They have decided, without any intervention from other nations, to ban a sport which they feel is no longer traditional enough to keep. Shame on you people who speak ill of the Spanish when every other country have barbaric rituals far worse than bullfighting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98848961&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98849389" class="">267. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98849389" name="comment267">8:23pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568711">rafalitus</a> wrote:</cite> As a Catalan I feel very proud for once of our "Parlament". This is real democracy. Bullfighting is not culture or art because animals and human beings deserve a better life. If we were still following traditions we would find our selfs clapping in front of public executions like in the old times....... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98849389&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98849606" class=" stripe">268. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98849606" name="comment268">8:28pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14558445">Sphodrias</a> wrote:</cite> "but in Spain they do not put their elderly relatives into care homes to die once they have outlived their usefulness" ____________________________________ Or you could argue that Britons do not want to lumber their children with no lives just because they have become infirm? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98849606&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98849973" class="">269. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98849973" name="comment269">8:37pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14345470">sean56z</a> wrote:</cite>Too many people express a desire for a carnivorous lifestyle at the expense of the animal world. A few might indicate a preference for a meat-only diet. Mushrooms, fruit, vegetables, bread, rice, berries, and other foods are a more healthy meal. Spain could cool the bloodlust. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98849973&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98850002" class=" stripe">270. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98850002" name="comment270">8:38pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14378674">California Mojo</a> wrote:</cite>Are we still pretending that chasing a terrified bull around an arena is a fight? Many ole's to the good people of Catalonia. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98850002&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98850003" class="">271. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98850003" name="comment271">8:38pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14417600">Tiffany Mulford</a> wrote:</cite> I think that the tradition of bullfighting, including the athleticism and acrobatics, could very easily be carried on without the blood and killing of the bulls. Why does one have to actually penetrate the skin of the bull during the corrida? wouldn't it be possible to use a more humane adhesive and still uphold the traditions of the sport without damaging the bull? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98850003&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98850400" class=" stripe">272. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98850400" name="comment272">8:47pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14044430">Paul Papadopoulos</a> wrote:</cite>Surely it is up to the Spanish bulls themselves to decide. Their choice is to be either led with no pride directly to the slaughterhouse and summarily executed like any common cow or to fight. At least in a bull fight sometimes the bull he wins! Ole! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98850400&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98850555" class="">273. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98850555" name="comment273">8:51pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568710">Camilla</a> wrote:</cite>This is a great day for animals, more precisely for bulls and horses, at least in part of Spain!! It is amazing how in the 21st century there are still developed countries that entertain themselves with brutal events. Not only the bullfights are part of Spanish "tradition", but there are many other events that take place with bulls and other animals in different parts of the country: "El Toro Jubilo" in Medinaceli where the bull’s horns are set in fire and the animal dies horribly, "Las Luminarias" near Avila where horses are forced to pass through fire, "Toros de Coria" where people throw darts at the bull until it dies, "Toros Ensogados", etc. So, there is still much to do for animals in this country, but at least we are moving in the right direction. I also understand, even though I don’t sympathize, that people that are used to seeing animals killed in this brutal way since they were children, grow up insensible and, even though they don’t like this kind of shows, unfortunately they are not against them. In Madrid, although it will be hard with Esperanza Aguirre lack of "sensibility" to animals, we hope to achieve the same or at least to be able to decide if any of the taxes we pay should go to these so called "espectáculos"; people that are against it should be able to decide. As Ghandi said "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated", so I hope Spain progresses and become even a greater nation!! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98850555&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98851203" class=" stripe">274. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98851203" name="comment274">9:05pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13670034">vivalavirgen</a> wrote:</cite>They also make "Spanish-style corridas" where they kill the bull in South France, and no French political movement has any intention to ban them. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98851203&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98851254" class="">275. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98851254" name="comment275">9:06pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=8510978">vencejo</a> wrote:</cite>I live in Andalucia.In the tourist areas and in the cities bullfighting still has a following, prime time TV, same in Extremadura. It is known as an art, part of the culture... Well it can't be called a sport because the only rule is that the bull must die after being mutilated. It is nothing more than a`primitive ritual which must end. Is it any different from badger/bull baiting, dog/cock fighting, fox/stag/otter hunting,apart from the strange suits worn by the humans involved? <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98851254&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98851473" class=" stripe">276. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98851473" name="comment276">9:12pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14366194">Claarm</a> wrote:</cite> Of course it should! WAY overdue. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98851473&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98852003" class="">277. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98852003" name="comment277">9:26pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14455045">Steve</a> wrote:</cite>Is this really world news worthy of a discussion? Must be a slow day. Who cares about bull fighting. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98852003&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98852493" class=" stripe">278. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98852493" name="comment278">9:37pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=12331762">2squirrels</a> wrote:</cite>Ye together with all cruel sports but who says what is cruel. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98852493&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98852818" class="">279. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98852818" name="comment279">9:44pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568804">Ona</a> wrote:</cite> It's not always the case, but today I'm proud of my Catalan parliament, and happy to live in a nation were animals can't be tortured just for fun. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98852818&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98853035" class=" stripe">280. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98853035" name="comment280">9:49pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568803">Marina</a> wrote:</cite>I'm so glad to know that my country, Catalonia, finally banned bull-fighting, a barbaric and cruel tradition that we never have felt identified with! I hope the conservative Spanish party doesn't block again another democratic decision taken democratically by the Catalan Parliament, as already happened few weeks ago! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98853035&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98853201" class="">281. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98853201" name="comment281">9:53pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568794">zobot</a> wrote:</cite>I don't understand how people can respond so passively to the issue of bullfighting. There are no two ways about it: the sport is cruel--the animals are tortured and tormented for long periods of time, and then fated to die, all in the name of entertainment and tradition. This is outrageous! This is not hunting, nor is it self-defense--it trivializes the life of another living thing, maims it, taunts it, and then murders it for no good reason at all! Where are we, the gladiator games?! Is this not the same thing as subjecting estranged wild animals to fight until the death at the Colosseum? I don't see how bullfighting is any different. Who do we think we are, people (as a species, I mean)? Who are we to do such things to other animate, sentient beings, just because we CAN? It's revolting and disheartening--it frankly makes me sick to death of homo sapiens. And while we're at it, how about getting rid of the Running of the Bulls, too? Here in the Americas, rodeos are just as despicable. Woe is you, I guess, if you were born a male cow... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98853201&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98853507" class=" stripe">282. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98853507" name="comment282">10:00pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14380034">darwin</a> wrote:</cite>I've never been to Spain, but I would like to. I've never been to a bull fight, but I would given half a chance, and I'd enjoy it too. I'm sorry if this offends some people, but its honest. I'm not a vegetarian and I don't have a problem with this. I would rather the bull won more often, and I don't really see the point in killing the beastie every time. If it does well then let it live to fight another day. I'm not squeamish, too many people are these days. Meat doesn't come from a supermarket wrapped in foil. Throw another steak on! With chips please I'm British. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98853507&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98853687" class="">283. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98853687" name="comment283">10:03pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14387484">mckissock</a> wrote:</cite> At 7:52pm on 28 Jul 2010, _Agbonlahor_ wrote: "coz' they don't want to be part of Spain and it's a way to say to the people we are not spaniards but they are and they will be spaniards all his entire life. CATALONIA IS SPAIN!!!!!" THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF ATTITUDE THAT FEEDS THE DESIRE FOR CATALAN INDEPENDANCE.This is Francos living legacy that catalonia has to deal with every day. Catalonia is EXACTLY the same as Scotland, yet in scotland we are not treated like dogs. Its time spain moved on from its arab history and became part of europe. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98853687&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98853915" class=" stripe">284. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98853915" name="comment284">10:08pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568818">zmewis</a> wrote:</cite>Personally, I think anyone who eats meat and criticises bull fighting is a complete hypocrite. These Bulls have a much, much better life than most other animals bred for food. A lot of which never even see daylight, are pumped full of steroids and antibiotics and live in a cage so small they can't even move. I agree with others, it should be up to the people to decide, if they don't like the sport then don't watch it. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98853915&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98853957" class="">285. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98853957" name="comment285">10:09pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568817">catalonia24</a> wrote:</cite> I am catalan and today (not usual) I am very proud of our politicians. This is a nonsense. You should see the reactions it has provoked in the rest of Spain. They keep mixing it with politics saying this is about separatists and our effort to separate from Spain after the massive demonstration in Barcelona of July 10th. Catalunya receives 1 out of 4 tourists that come to Spain. If you come to Catalonia, be very welcomed and see it by your own! We are not Sangria, Toros and Siesta! Simply this is not our case! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98853957&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98854281" class=" stripe">286. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98854281" name="comment286">10:17pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568786">Anonimous</a> wrote:</cite> Congratulations to the bull and all people fighting for this fair cause. On the other hand I am glad mckissock N47. commented on Catalan Identity as it shows to others what a vast population think: the underlying issue is to get further away from Spain and their traditions rather than saving an animal life. There are other ways to torture bulls in catalonia that haven't been banned, one of this "games/sports" is "fire bulls" see <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.faace.co.uk/catalonia.htm">http://www.faace.co.uk/catalonia.htm</a> I wonder why this hasn't been ban yet, possibly because is is tied to Catalonian Identity? Spain as other many countries in the world is a union of territories, historically speaking i.e. the "Reino de Granada" or "AL-Andalus" has more rigths for the indenpendcy/own Identity than Catalonia. The diferencee is that in those regions most people think as Jose Saramago (Portugese Novel Prize for Literature) did: Union makes us stronger , he dreamed of a Iberian peninsula union as a whole country . I am against animal torture, but please let's not mix politics with animal rigths. Saludos. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98854281&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98854398" class="">287. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98854398" name="comment287">10:19pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568821">Jerrycan</a> wrote:</cite> A fighting bull has a good life - pampered, actually. After a bull is killed, the meat is sold and, presumably, eaten. I hope the anti-bullfighting lobby will now turn their attention to chickens and their lot, particularly chickens bred for breast meat. I somehow doubt they will. There's no glamour in chickens but their miserable lives (and deaths) are ignored by the pompous, self-rightious and politically correct. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98854398&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98855106" class=" stripe">288. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98855106" name="comment288">10:34pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568817">catalonia24</a> wrote:</cite> Today I am very happy of my Parliament! It was time to move forward! If you come to Catalonia, please talk with people and take your own conclusions. Catalonia is not toros, siesta and sangría. It is not! <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98855106&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98855233" class="">289. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98855233" name="comment289">10:37pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14422212">caretakers</a> wrote:</cite> If you are amazed by the willingness of people to destroy, hurt, maim and kill for pleasure then you know nothing of the human condition. Mankind has been capable of such evil ever since it set foot on Earth. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98855233&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98855413" class=" stripe">290. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98855413" name="comment290">10:41pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2223732">Portugal OUT of the EU</a> wrote:</cite>What many fail to see is that this ban is a strategic one by Catalonian nationalists. Add the ICC's decision on Kosovo to this and one possibility keeps gaining strength and becoming more and more inevitable. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98855413&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98855884" class="">291. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98855884" name="comment291">10:50pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2223732">Portugal OUT of the EU</a> wrote:</cite> The diferencee is that in those regions most people think as Jose Saramago (Portugese Novel Prize for Literature) did: Union makes us stronger , he dreamed of a Iberian peninsula union as a whole country . ===========//================ SPeak for yourself or better, don't even say such barbarity. I really hope you're not one of those who call themselves "Portuguese" while supporting a union with a country that has always tried to conquer us. You probably don't know this but Spain planned to invade Portugal in 1975. Needless to say Spain would have lost, as we had over a million men with recent combat experience and the whole country would have united against a common enemy. And make sure you inform yourself: less than a third of the Portuguese support this union you're talking about. Otherwise Portugal would have ceased to exist ages ago...... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98855884&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856321" class=" stripe">292. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856321" name="comment292">11:00pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=2223732">Portugal OUT of the EU</a> wrote:</cite> The diferencee is that in those regions most people think as Jose Saramago (Portugese Novel Prize for Literature) did: Union makes us stronger , he dreamed of a Iberian peninsula union as a whole country . =====///================== Wrong. Only a third of the Portuguese people support the destruction of Portugal..... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856321&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856433" class="">293. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856433" name="comment293">11:16pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14566799">KEEPQUIET</a> wrote:</cite>The parliament of Catalonia has voted to ban bullfighting. It is now the first region of mainland Spain to ban bullfighting. Do you agree with a ban? If the people of Catalonia agree with the ban, then I must agree with it. It would appear to be a straight forward move. Why read politics into it, take it on face value. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856433&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856449" class=" stripe">294. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856449" name="comment294">11:19pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14548287">Magi Tatcher</a> wrote:</cite>Bulls do not win bull fights. People do. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856449&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856540" class="">295. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856540" name="comment295">11:32pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13945725">lordBanners</a> wrote:</cite>Strictly an INTERNAL, Cultural matter. Imposition of Foreign values claiming the Moral High Ground are classic exercises in Bigotry, because what Critics object to is often viewed as similarly Barbaric to outside sensibilities. My only issue is if the Meat went to WASTE. You can't eat the dog, Fluffy is part of the family. This, while owner and dog devours Sacred-cow poor people deny themselves to feed. NO not the whale, Free-Willy was so friendly, never mind he grew up isolated in a very small cage. I could never eat cat, only the best pork-vittles for my Missy. Vegetarians sporting Leather. Absolutely WORST is Over-Fed Euro/Anglos outlawing the sale of Ivory from Naturally Deceased Elephants or Seized contraband which would yield MILLIONS for Impoverished Africans. Insisting they BURN what is clearly a Highly Valued Commodity by most of the planet, except them. Then Self-Satisfaction of DONATING Aid, or is it Buying CONTROL so Cheaply? This mentality is what gave birth to 'Nation Building' via Pre-Emptive Strikes, or Military Invasion and Occupation, always fot the Victims' own good of course, never War-Mongering. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856540&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856571" class=" stripe">296. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856571" name="comment296">11:36pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14304858">ruffled_feathers</a> wrote:</cite>"235. At 6:39pm on 28 Jul 2010, righteoussasquatch wrote: English culture included Foxhunting, Spanish culture included bull fighting. Animal rights groups don't care for either, fair enough. But now foxes are coming into towns and attacking young babies!" So we don't leave babies unattended or with access to outdoors with no adult around (suppose a swarm of bees or wasps descended upon the cot?), don't leave food around, don't treat foxes as pets and feed them, and reporters have meanwhile thrown food into the road to get their bit of film to demonstrate how bold these foxes are, so those foxes continue to associate people with food. Good heavens, we don't live in the Arctic Circle and have to deal with Polar Bears. The most poisonous snake we have is the Adder. No poisonous spiders. Tigers. We stand more chance of being attacked by another human being. Happens every day somewhere in the UK, actually. Why are we so pathetic that we think we cannot protect ourselves against a fox without killing it? All this is beside the point, of course. Culture can also mean enlightenment. I see nothing enlightened about first tormenting and then killing a bull. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856571&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856602" class="">297. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856602" name="comment297">11:40pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13948654">PaulRichard2</a> wrote:</cite>As an animal lover I’m inclined to say yes to the ban, it's hardly a pleasant experience for the bull. Some traditions should be kept but given the cruelty involved in this one I’m happy to see it banned. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856602&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856605" class=" stripe">298. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856605" name="comment298">11:41pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14304858">ruffled_feathers</a> wrote:</cite>"295. At 11:32pm on 28 Jul 2010, lordBanners wrote: Strictly an INTERNAL, Cultural matter. Imposition of Foreign values claiming the Moral High Ground are classic exercises in Bigotry, because what Critics object to is often viewed as similarly Barbaric to outside sensibilities." Could have said that about Hitler.... <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856605&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856624" class="">299. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856624" name="comment299">11:43pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14522079">john</a> wrote:</cite> Of course bullfighting should be outlawed, regardless of what the people of Spain think. It's a disgusting blood sport, that's the bottom line. And the spectators who enjoy this death porn ought to be ashamed of themselves. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856624&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856702" class=" stripe">300. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856702" name="comment300">11:55pm</a> on 28 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14349816">Billythefirst</a> wrote:</cite>287. At 10:19pm on 28 Jul 2010, Jerrycan wrote: A fighting bull has a good life - pampered, actually. After a bull is killed, the meat is sold and, presumably, eaten. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triffic - that justifies the barbaric spectacle then. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856702&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856739" class="">301. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856739" name="comment301">00:00am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14568506">peribsen</a> wrote:</cite>Portugal OUT of the EU: I'm a Spaniard who spent his childhood in Lisbon. I have nothing but sympathy for your wonderful country. There is no need for Portugal to join anybody, you can stand on your own. But please don't distort history, in 1975 Spain had no intention to invade Portugal. Franco, NATO and the US were worried with the possibility of a Communist regime in Lisbon, and all sort of wild ideas were discussed (and soon dismissed, thankfully) in case this happened. Toppling the Portuguese Communist party was one of them, incorporating Portugal into Spain was absolutely not, it would be preposterous. Centuries ago, Spain had the dream of uniting the ancient land of Hispania. You didn´t want it, good for you. Today, we are sister nations that share a load of things and should collaborate and stop bickering about the Middle Ages. Catalonia24: You and other posters seem to believe that bullfighting is a Castilian, even an Andalucian idea. Please go to the Basque country, to Navarre, to Aragon... as well as to the part of Southern France that historically was part of the Catalan world. Please, stop talking rubbish. By the way, I'm totally on your side on the Estatute issue. To other posters: Nobody seems to have cared to answer the issue I brought up on the first paragraph of my first post (nr 231), regarding the fallacy of presuming brutality on the part of the aficcionados. I still think you are missing the point. I have only very seldom gone to the bullring. It can be tantalizing and fascinating, but I always feel rather sorry for the bull. And still, I believe the dissapearance of the corridas will mean we lose something, something authentic enough to have left a strong mark on many artists and writers. Bullfighting has far more content in that regard that the American rodeo or fox hunting, because it isn't simply a pass time of a social group, but the last waning echo of a world long gone. On my part, I'm sorry but I see no contradiction in being an animal lover and admiring bullfighting. Humanity seems to be bent on advancing towards a deeply neurotic, artificial, sophisticated world, in which there is no longer a place for Man as a part of Nature. It remains to be seen whether in the end there will be a place for Mankind itself. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856739&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856740" class=" stripe">302. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856740" name="comment302">00:00am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=13761465">JoeNVirginia</a> wrote:</cite> I am so glad the BBC has finally focused on an important issue. How many wars are going on? How many examples of ethnic cleansing are occurring? What about economic insecurity throughout the world? And so, we are going to worry about bull fighting? At ABetterSociety.Info we are trying to focus on the real challenges of world society and the BBC is worrying about male cows. <a class="popup" href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/comments/UserComplaintPage?PostID=98856740&s_start=1">Complain about this comment</a> </li> <li id="P98856757" class="">303. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856757" name="comment303">00:03am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14457880">Fedupvoter</a> wrote:</cite> This comment is awaiting moderation. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_checking_messages.html" class="popup">Explain</a>. </li> <li id="P98856784" class=" stripe">304. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856784" name="comment304">00:10am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14349816">Billythefirst</a> wrote:</cite> This comment is awaiting moderation. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_checking_messages.html" class="popup">Explain</a>. </li> <li id="P98856795" class="">305. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856795" name="comment305">00:12am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14349816">Billythefirst</a> wrote:</cite> This comment is awaiting moderation. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_checking_messages.html" class="popup">Explain</a>. </li> <li id="P98856800" class=" stripe">306. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856800" name="comment306">00:14am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14457880">Fedupvoter</a> wrote:</cite> This comment is awaiting moderation. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_checking_messages.html" class="popup">Explain</a>. </li> <li id="P98856833" class="">307. <cite>At <a class="time" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/should_bullfighting_be_outlawe.html#P98856833" name="comment307">00:21am</a> on 29 Jul 2010, <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile.shtml?userid=14376226">Byblos</a> wrote:</cite> This comment is awaiting moderation. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_checking_messages.html" class="popup">Explain</a>. </li> </ul> <ul class="pagination"> <li class="previous">Previous</li> <li class="next">Next</li> </ul> <a href="/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/blog477/rss/acs?dnauid=movabletype477_237977">View these comments in RSS</a> </div><script type="text/javascript"> if (window.dna) { if (window.glow) { dna.comments.apply({targetForm: 'div.comments form',timeBetweenComments: '180',viewingUser: '',viewingUserGroup: ''}); } else { dna.comments.queue({targetForm: 'div.comments form',timeBetweenComments: '180',viewingUser: '',viewingUserGroup: ''}); } } </script>  </div> </div>   <div class="sidebar"> <a href="#jump_more">Jump to more content from this site</a> <div class="block block-one about"> <div class="wrap1"> <div class="wrap2"> <div class="wrap3"> <div class="title"><h3>About this site</h3></div> <div class="inner"> This is <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100728232652/http://www.bbc.co.uk/haveyoursay">Have Your Say</a> from BBC News, where we offer you a platform to debate key stories in the news. 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