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class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Multiple information on pages.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Multiple_information_on_pages.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_new_one_to_check" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_new_one_to_check"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>A new one to check</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_new_one_to_check-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikitable_sortable" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikitable_sortable"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Wikitable sortable</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wikitable_sortable-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Class_58_Names_and_Numbers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Class 58 Names and Numbers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Talk:Identitarian_movement" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Talk:Identitarian_movement"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Talk:Identitarian movement</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Talk:Identitarian_movement-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Greater Anglia toc in sucession box</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Whitlingham_railway_station_change" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Whitlingham_railway_station_change"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Whitlingham railway station change</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Whitlingham_railway_station_change-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Birmingham Moor Street Railway station</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_one_6_July_2017" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_one_6_July_2017"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>New one 6 July 2017</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-New_one_6_July_2017-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Infocom techno solution ? why deleted page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Art on the Underground revisions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Line_height" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Line_height"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Line height</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Line_height-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Apology" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Apology"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Apology</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Apology-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Gallery" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Gallery"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Template:Gallery</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Gallery-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Highland_Main_Line" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Highland_Main_Line"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Highland Main Line</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Highland_Main_Line-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Oxford_53" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Oxford_53"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Oxford 53</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Oxford_53-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GWR_First_Class" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GWR_First_Class"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>GWR First Class</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-GWR_First_Class-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>RE: Editors abusing the system</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>A question for my talk page watchers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Revert_Clarification" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Revert_Clarification"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Revert Clarification</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Revert_Clarification-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category_discussion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category_discussion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Category discussion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category_discussion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Reverted edit on Govia Thameslink Railway</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Royal_family" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Royal_family"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Royal family</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Royal_family-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Showing_me_how_it's_done" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Showing_me_how_it's_done"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Showing me how it's done</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Showing_me_how_it's_done-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mr_Alvini" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mr_Alvini"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Mr Alvini</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mr_Alvini-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_subsequent_to_it." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_subsequent_to_it."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Reference to your recent guidance on Wikipedia template print-outs and matters subsequent to it.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_subsequent_to_it.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Proposal for a Category:Wikipedia stub templates by topic</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-REM_rail_box" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#REM_rail_box"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>REM rail box</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-REM_rail_box-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Date_sequence" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Date_sequence"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Date sequence</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Date_sequence-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-British_Somaliland" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#British_Somaliland"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>British Somaliland</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-British_Somaliland-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_you_fix_something?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_you_fix_something?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Can you fix something?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Can_you_fix_something?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-London_Victoria_station" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#London_Victoria_station"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>London Victoria station</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-London_Victoria_station-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sir_Terence_English" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sir_Terence_English"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Sir Terence English</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Sir_Terence_English-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WikiProject_Investment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WikiProject_Investment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>WikiProject Investment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-WikiProject_Investment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reminder" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reminder"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Reminder</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Reminder-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Sources</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rowspan_problem" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rowspan_problem"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Rowspan problem</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Rowspan_problem-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cleanup_on_aisle_three" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cleanup_on_aisle_three"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Cleanup on aisle three</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Cleanup_on_aisle_three-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Artúr_Görgei" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Artúr_Görgei"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Artúr Görgei</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Artúr_Görgei-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>South Gloucestershire#Transport - Railway stations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_goat_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_goat_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>A goat for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_goat_for_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Birmingham and Bristol Railway</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP_IDHT" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP_IDHT"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>WP IDHT</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-WP_IDHT-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>An issue with a template notice, maybe?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP:PREVIEW_callouts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP:PREVIEW_callouts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>WP:PREVIEW callouts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-WP:PREVIEW_callouts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal_print_size." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal_print_size."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Inability to print out hard copies of Wikipedia RDT line templates in the normal print size.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal_print_size.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Your intervention on 'State Atheism'</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_barnstar_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>A barnstar for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 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class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_barnstar_for_you!_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>A barnstar for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Nomination for deletion of Template:Manchester and Milford Railway</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport" class="vector-toc-list-item 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class="mbox-text" style="text-align:center">This is an <b><a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archive</a></b> of past discussions with <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">User:Redrose64</a>. <b>Do not edit the contents of this page.</b> If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">current talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br /> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Templates.." data-mw-thread-id="h-Templates..-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Templates..-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z"></span>Templates..<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Templates..-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z-Templates.."></span>Can you shed some light upon why the templates at the end of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody/Accounts" title="Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Orangemoody/Accounts">Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Orangemoody/Accounts</a> are not transcluded/displayed properly.Thanks!<a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric"><span style="color:green"><i>Winged Blades</i></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User talk:Winged Blades of Godric"> Godric</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z-Templates.." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z-Templates.."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z-Templates.."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-05-30T10:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric">Winged Blades of Godric</a>:</span> Without looking at the page (or even following your link) I am going to suggest <a href="/wiki/H:T#Template_limits" class="mw-redirect" title="H:T">H:T#Template limits</a>, more on that at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TLIMIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TLIMIT">WP:TLIMIT</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-05-30T10:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-05-30T10:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-05-30T10:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2017-05-30T07:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alexandra_Parade" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alexandra_Parade-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alexandra_Parade-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z"></span>Alexandra Parade<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alexandra_Parade-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Britmax-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z-Alexandra_Parade"></span>Just noticed my mistake here. Sorry for that! <a href="/wiki/User:Britmax" class="mw-disambig" title="User:Britmax">Britmax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Britmax" title="User talk:Britmax">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Britmax-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z-Alexandra_Parade" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Britmax-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z-Alexandra_Parade"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Britmax-2017-05-31T20:50:00.000Z-Alexandra_Parade"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Moorgate_conversions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Moorgate_conversions-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Moorgate_conversions-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z"></span>Moorgate conversions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Moorgate_conversions-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sigersson-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z-Moorgate_conversions"></span>Thanks very much for the conversions on the Moorgate article. I wasn't sure how to sort them out, but I can now see how you've done it so can work it out for any imhave to do in the future. Thanks again. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sigersson" title="User:Sigersson">Sigersson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sigersson" title="User talk:Sigersson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Sigersson-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z-Moorgate_conversions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 4 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sigersson-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z-Moorgate_conversions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sigersson-2017-06-04T07:02:00.000Z-Moorgate_conversions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_help_with_this_technical_issue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span>Please help with this technical issue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue"></span>Hello again. Can you help me solve a particular issue at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Navboxes#Succession_boxes" title="Template talk:Navboxes">Template talk:Navboxes#Succession boxes</a>? Thanks and warm regards.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 5 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z-Please_help_with_this_technical_issue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-06T08:47:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Neve-selbert</a>:</span> Replied at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Navboxes#Succession_boxes:_incorrect_border" title="Template talk:Navboxes">Template talk:Navboxes#Succession boxes: incorrect border</a> and left note at <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#CSS_border_instead_of_gutter_rows_on_navboxes" title="MediaWiki talk:Common.css">MediaWiki talk:Common.css#CSS border instead of gutter rows on navboxes</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-06T08:47:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-06T08:47:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-06T08:47:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-05T17:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="T2_description_and_Twinkle" data-mw-thread-id="h-T2_description_and_Twinkle-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-T2_description_and_Twinkle-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z"></span>T2 description and Twinkle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-T2_description_and_Twinkle-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uanfala-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z-T2_description_and_Twinkle"></span>Hi, do you have any idea what happened with this: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Archive_62#T2._Misrepresentation_of_policy_being_misused" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 62">Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 62#T2. Misrepresentation of policy being misused</a>? In the discussion there were opinions that this wasn't the major cause for T2 misuse, but I don't remember anyone objecting to updating the T2 description with a better example. Can't this be done at least for Twinkle (which is the source of all the inappropriate T2 tagging I've seen so far)? – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uanfala" title="User talk:Uanfala">Uanfala</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Uanfala-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z-T2_description_and_Twinkle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 6 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uanfala-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z-T2_description_and_Twinkle"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uanfala-2017-06-06T13:46:00.000Z-T2_description_and_Twinkle"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikidata_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikidata_help-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikidata_help-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z"></span>Wikidata help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikidata_help-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z-Wikidata_help"></span>Can you sort out the interlanguage linking for the <a href="/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire" title="Grenfell Tower fire">Grenfell Tower fire</a> please? The de-Wiki article links to the redirect <a href="/wiki/Grenfell_Tower" title="Grenfell Tower">Grenfell Tower</a>, not the actual article. I'm not familiar enough with Wikidata to fix this myself. Have tried linking it, but get an error message and don't know about merging on Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z-Wikidata_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z-Wikidata_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z-Wikidata_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a>:</span> There are two Wikidata entries: <ul><li><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30274958" class="extiw" title="d:Q30274958">d:Q30274958</a> is for <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_im_Grenfell_Tower" class="extiw" title="de:Brand im Grenfell Tower">de:Brand im Grenfell Tower</a> (a redirect to <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower" class="extiw" title="de:Grenfell Tower">de:Grenfell Tower</a>) and <a href="/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire" title="Grenfell Tower fire">Grenfell Tower fire</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30275013" class="extiw" title="d:Q30275013">d:Q30275013</a> is for <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower" class="extiw" title="de:Grenfell Tower">de:Grenfell Tower</a> and <a href="/wiki/Grenfell_Tower" title="Grenfell Tower">Grenfell Tower</a> (a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire" title="Grenfell Tower fire">Grenfell Tower fire</a>).</li></ul></dd> <dd>It seems that they are different. One pair is for the building, the other for the conflagration. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T13:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z"></span>It's got more complicated since I posted. There was an article on de-Wiki about the fire, which linked to the redirect Grenfell Tower when I posted the above. I tried to link that to the fire article on en-Wiki but got an error message which I couldn't work out how to fix. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z"></span>Ah, yes - <a href="/wiki/User:Pintoch" title="User:Pintoch">Pintoch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pintoch" title="User talk:Pintoch">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pintoch" title="Special:Contributions/Pintoch">contribs</a>), you know much more about Wikidata than me - do you think that this is set up correctly? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-06-14T20:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-2017-06-14T20:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span>I've fixed it. Objects in Wikidata refer to one entity. In this case, there are two objects because there are two entities: a 1) fire occurring at 2) a tower. The Wikidata items should not include redirects (else we end up in situations like this one). --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Izno-2017-06-14T20:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-2017-06-14T20:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-2017-06-14T20:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-14T20:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z"></span>Minshull Vernon railway station article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article"></span>You have reverted my edit on the previous and following stations in the box referred to, where I deleted the unnecessary words "railway station". I used the premise that was used on the Wikipedia Coppenhall railway article, where the words "railway station" do not appear in the same box section on that article. Are you now therefore going to add the words "railway station" in the box on that particular Wikipeda station article? </p><p>I must have seen many hundreds of Wikipedia station articles that do not carry the words "railway station" in the box referred to. I am most confused now. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User:Xenophon Philosopher">Xenophon Philosopher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User talk:Xenophon Philosopher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T21:05:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User:Xenophon Philosopher">Xenophon Philosopher</a>:</span> The words "railway station" are necessary for the link to go to the correct article, which is the article about the railway station. At <a href="/wiki/Coppenhall_railway_station" title="Coppenhall railway station">Coppenhall railway station</a>, the links are to <a href="/wiki/Crewe_railway_station" title="Crewe railway station">Crewe</a> and <a href="/wiki/Minshull_Vernon_railway_station" title="Minshull Vernon railway station">Minshull Vernon</a> - I do not need to add the words "railway station", since they are already present; as they are in the links in many <i>thousands</i> (not just hundreds) of other railway station routeboxes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T21:05:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T21:05:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-14T21:05:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-14T20:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-15T02:55:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article"></span>Many thanks for explaining the matter so well </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User:Xenophon Philosopher">Xenophon Philosopher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User talk:Xenophon Philosopher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-15T02:55:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 15 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-15T02:55:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-06-15T02:55:00.000Z-Minshull_Vernon_railway_station_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_mw-datatable" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_mw-datatable-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_mw-datatable-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z"></span>Help with mw-datatable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_mw-datatable-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z-Help_with_mw-datatable"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /></span></span> Moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Help_with_mw-datatable" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Help with mw-datatable</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z-Help_with_mw-datatable" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z-Help_with_mw-datatable"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T23:24:00.000Z-Help_with_mw-datatable"></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multiple_information_on_pages." data-mw-thread-id="h-Multiple_information_on_pages.-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multiple_information_on_pages.-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z"></span>Multiple information on pages.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multiple_information_on_pages.-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z-Multiple_information_on_pages."></span>The info I put of 41312 working on the mainline is actual information as she did work on the mainline and the same towards the Castle's as it stated what was going on regarding the other castles which are being overhauled or restored. And with Bahamas the link to the website wasn't to be deleted, other loco pages have exactly the same thing so it must be left as it was. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moylesy98&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moylesy98 (page does not exist)">Moylesy98</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moylesy98#top" title="User talk:Moylesy98">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Moylesy98" title="Special:Contributions/Moylesy98">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z-Multiple_information_on_pages." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z-Multiple_information_on_pages."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z-Multiple_information_on_pages."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:25:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moylesy98&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moylesy98 (page does not exist)">Moylesy98</a>:</span> I have already explained on your talk page. You are using Wikipedia as a blog; you are failing to abide by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">policy on verifiability</a>. Also, in tending towards <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recentism" title="Wikipedia:Recentism">recentism</a>, you are not abiding by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">policy on neutrality</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:25:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:25:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:25:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-19T10:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_new_one_to_check" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_new_one_to_check-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_new_one_to_check-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z"></span>A new one to check<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_new_one_to_check-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check"></span>Hello R. This article <a href="/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections" title="Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections">Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections</a> showed up in the PP category today. Based on the edit summary for the protection I can't tell which of the templates needs to be removed. Normally I would try one and then the other but, since the page is under sanctions, I thought it better to ask you. Best regards. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z"></span>The page was moved, and so the prot log is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&page=2016+United+States+election+interference+by+Russia">at the old name</a>. Notice that the move protection expired 18:12, 13 June 2017 - so you need to remove the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Pp-move-dispute" title="Template:Pp-move-dispute">pp-move-dispute</a>}}</code> as it is no longer applicable. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-15T12:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-16T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z"></span>Thank you and enjoy your weekend. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-06-16T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-16T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-16T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-15T21:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check"></span>Hello again R. <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_incorrect_protection_templates" title="Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates">Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates</a> all sorts of dashboards are showing up in the cat. I have been through transclusions for a couple of them and can't locate the culprit. The number of pages is going up so I thought I would ask you to take a look. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z-A_new_one_to_check"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z"></span>It was <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention&diff=prev&oldid=786417128">this edit</a></span> by <a href="/wiki/User:Adem20" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Adem20">Adem20</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adem20" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Adem20">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Adem20" title="Special:Contributions/Adem20">contribs</a>), who should have noticed that the page is transcluded and so should have placed the template within the existing <code class="nowrap" style=""><noinclude>...</noinclude></code> tags. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-19T16:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. There were two others unrelated to this that showed up a couple days ago. One is <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung/sandbox" title="User:Kudpung/sandbox">User:Kudpung/sandbox</a> and the other is <a href="/wiki/Template:NFL_Year/sandbox" title="Template:NFL Year/sandbox">Template:NFL Year/sandbox</a>. I think the second one is because it is a copy of the NFL Year template but I could be wrong. Your help is always most appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-19T22:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung/sandbox" title="User:Kudpung/sandbox"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:30:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z"></span>User:Kudpung/sandbox</a> contains the line <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-moin mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span>{{:good article}} </pre></div> which transcludes the article <a href="/wiki/Good_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Good article">good article</a>, which is protected. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung</a>, you may not have intended to transclude the article, you might have intended to link the template, as in <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-moin mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span>{{tl|good article}} </pre></div> Shall we fix it, or would you prefer to do it yourself? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:30:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:30:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:30:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:34:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z"></span>The second one was <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:NFL_Year/doc&diff=prev&oldid=408435181">this edit</a></span> five and a half years ago. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:34:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:34:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-20T07:34:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-06-20T00:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikitable_sortable" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikitable_sortable-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikitable_sortable-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z"></span>Wikitable sortable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikitable_sortable-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z-Wikitable_sortable"></span>Sorry to bother again, Redrose64, but there's a problem concerning the sortable wikitable at <a href="/wiki/List_of_British_governments" title="List of British governments">List of British governments</a> that I'm struggling to fix. The "Date" header, when clicked, completely messes up the table and the other headers don't really work at all. I've been trying to fix the issue but I'm not sure how. Thanks in advance.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z-Wikitable_sortable" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z-Wikitable_sortable"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z-Wikitable_sortable"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-21T23:15:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Neve-selbert</a>:</span> The <code>rowspan</code>s didn't add up. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-21T23:15:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-21T23:15:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-21T23:15:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-06-21T17:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Class_58_Names_and_Numbers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z"></span>Class 58 Names and Numbers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers"></span>The Underway notice at the top of the wiki article for class 58 names and numbers is to be left on the page until the article is finished so DO NOT delete it, I am re-adding it now but it is to be left until the article is finished, I will remove it when the work is finished but not before as that way it shows that the article isn't completed as theres missing information as you can see. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moylesy98&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moylesy98 (page does not exist)">Moylesy98</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moylesy98#top" title="User talk:Moylesy98">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Moylesy98" title="Special:Contributions/Moylesy98">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z-Class_58_Names_and_Numbers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-26T20:28:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moylesy98&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moylesy98 (page does not exist)">Moylesy98</a>:</span> The text of an article is not the place to leave comments about the article's state of repair - that is one of the purposes of the article's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TP">talk page</a>, which in this case is <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_58" title="Talk:British Rail Class 58">Talk:British Rail Class 58</a>. If you <i>really</i> want a notice to appear in the article, we have <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:In_use" title="Template:In use">in use</a>}}</code>. I have some more observations: <ul><li>Ensure that all dates are in accordance with <a href="/wiki/MOS:DATE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DATE">MOS:DATE</a>, and in particular, do not use dates like 07.10.04 (in the row for 58015) which are highly ambiguous: to some people, this is 4 October 2007; to others, 10 July 2004; not everybody would read it as 7 October 2004, which (judging by other dates that you have added) is what is intended.</li> <li>Be aware of <a href="/wiki/MOS:CONTRAST" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:CONTRAST">MOS:CONTRAST</a> when you use coloured backgrounds.</li> <li>Make sure that all content that you add is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a>, and is not the result of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">original research</a>.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Also, please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGN">WP:SIGN</a> your posts on discussion pages. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-26T20:28:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-26T20:28:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-26T20:28:00.000Z-Moylesy98-2017-06-26T16:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Identitarian_movement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Identitarian_movement-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Identitarian_movement-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Identitarian_movement" title="Talk:Identitarian movement">Talk:Identitarian movement</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Identitarian_movement-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z-Talk:Identitarian_movement"></span>I'm not quite sure what you meant in this edit summary in this <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Identitarian_movement&curid=40853732&diff=788001997&oldid=787953720">diff report</a></span>. I know I started this, but how does me signing off on it help? <a href="/wiki/User:Myk_Streja" title="User:Myk Streja"><span style="color:#700000;"> — Myk Streja</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myk_Streja" title="User talk:Myk Streja">(<span style="color:#003BFF;"><i>who?</i></span>)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z-Talk:Identitarian_movement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z-Talk:Identitarian_movement"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z-Talk:Identitarian_movement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Myk_Streja" title="User:Myk Streja">Myk Streja</a>:</span> See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC#Statement_should_be_neutral_and_brief" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC#Statement should be neutral and brief</a> and then take a look at <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Politics,_government,_and_law&oldid=787933709">how it shows</a></span> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Politics,_government,_and_law" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law</a>. Legobot copies from the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> template (exclusive) to the next timestamp (inclusive) - any !votes in between those points mean that the statement is neither neutral nor brief. Instructions on voting may also mean that it isn't brief. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 28 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T22:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T23:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I get it now. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Myk_Streja" title="User:Myk Streja"><span style="color:#700000;"> — Myk Streja</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myk_Streja" title="User talk:Myk Streja">(<span style="color:#003BFF;"><i>who?</i></span>)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T23:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 28 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T23:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myk_Streja-2017-06-28T23:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-06-28T22:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box" data-mw-thread-id="h-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z"></span>Greater Anglia toc in sucession box<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box"></span>Thanks for reverting my dab of <a href="/wiki/Greater_Anglia" title="Greater Anglia">Greater Anglia</a> to <a href="/wiki/Greater_Anglia_(train_operating_company)" class="mw-redirect" title="Greater Anglia (train operating company)">Greater Anglia (train operating company)</a> in various succession boxes. If it causes breakage it may be something about the code of the box (beyond my understanding) as it appears on lists of links needing disambiguation & someone else might come along & do the same thing.— <a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rod</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodw" title="User talk:Rodw">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z-Greater_Anglia_toc_in_sucession_box"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-01T17:43:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rodw</a>:</span> the correct dabfix was <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:National_Rail_lines&diff=prev&oldid=788471110">this edit</a></span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-01T17:43:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 1 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-01T17:43:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-01T17:43:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-07-01T16:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Whitlingham_railway_station_change" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whitlingham_railway_station_change-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whitlingham_railway_station_change-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Whitlingham_railway_station" title="Whitlingham railway station">Whitlingham railway station</a> change<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whitlingham_railway_station_change-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z-Whitlingham_railway_station_change"></span>Hi Redrose, not sure I understand the reasoning here, passenger trains travel on the line between Whitlingham and Trowse, so surely the line is open to passengers. Only the station is closed, the line is open, or am I missing something (quite possible!)...<a href="/wiki/User:GrahamHardy" title="User:GrahamHardy">GrahamHardy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GrahamHardy" title="User talk:GrahamHardy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z-Whitlingham_railway_station_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z-Whitlingham_railway_station_change"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z-Whitlingham_railway_station_change"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Which trains? The latest edition of <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFBaker2015" class="citation book cs1">Baker, Stuart K. (2015) [1977]. <i>Rail Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland</i> (14th ed.). Addlestone: Oxford Publishing Co. p. 31, section A1. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-86093-669-5" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-86093-669-5"><bdi>978-0-86093-669-5</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Rail+Atlas+of+Great+Britain+and+Ireland&rft.place=Addlestone&rft.pages=p.+31%2C+section+A1&rft.edition=14th&rft.pub=Oxford+Publishing+Co&rft.date=2015&rft.isbn=978-0-86093-669-5&rft.aulast=Baker&rft.aufirst=Stuart+K.&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ARedrose64%2Funclassified+19" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul></dd> <dd>shows the Wensum Curve in red, which denotes freight-only, i.e. not open for passenger trains. Therefore, passenger trains that run through both Whitlingham and Trowse will need to reverse at Norwich (Thorpe). --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 2 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T19:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T21:47:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z"></span>I think you may be right! Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:GrahamHardy" title="User:GrahamHardy">GrahamHardy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GrahamHardy" title="User talk:GrahamHardy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T21:47:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T21:47:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GrahamHardy-2017-07-02T21:47:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-02T19:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station" data-mw-thread-id="h-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z"></span>Birmingham Moor Street Railway station<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station"></span>Hello, No-where on this page does it mention the fact that a public meeting was called on site to discuss the plans of the London & Edinburgh Trust (supported by Birmingham City Councii to knock it down and the subsequent formation of the Moor Street Station Historical Society when I as chairman succeeded in obtaining a Grade II Listed status to prevent it. This group cleaned, tidied & repaired the station - all of which is well documented in the pages of the Birmingham Post & Mail. I also have reams of documentary evidence & photos. Chiltern Railway will be celebrating 30yrs of its Listing next July. Sincerely Bernard Juby <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Anketil" title="User:Anketil">Anketil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anketil#top" title="User talk:Anketil">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anketil" title="Special:Contributions/Anketil">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 5 July 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z-Birmingham_Moor_Street_Railway_station"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-05T10:04:00.000Z-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anketil" title="User:Anketil">Anketil</a>:</span> Why are you bringing this up here, instead of at the article's talk page (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Birmingham_Moor_Street_railway_station" title="Talk:Birmingham Moor Street railway station">Talk:Birmingham Moor Street railway station</a>)? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-05T10:04:00.000Z-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-05T10:04:00.000Z-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-05T10:04:00.000Z-Anketil-2017-07-05T09:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_one_6_July_2017" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_one_6_July_2017-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_one_6_July_2017-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z"></span>New one 6 July 2017<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_one_6_July_2017-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z-New_one_6_July_2017"></span>Hello R. <a href="/wiki/Green_Day" title="Green Day">Green Day</a> showed up in the category. I tried a null edit but it did not work. I hope that you are having a pleasant summer. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z-New_one_6_July_2017" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z-New_one_6_July_2017"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z-New_one_6_July_2017"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z"></span>It was because of the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Pp-move-indef" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Pp-move-indef">pp-move-indef</a>}}</code>. Basically, <a href="/wiki/User:BU_Rob13" title="User:BU Rob13">BU Rob13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BU_Rob13" title="User talk:BU Rob13">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BU_Rob13" title="Special:Contributions/BU Rob13">contribs</a>) downgraded the move protection from indef sysop to 1 year of 30/500, but probably should not have done that, so I have restored it to its previous level and duration. See <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Green+Day&offset=20160101000000&dir=prev">prot log</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T01:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that was a mistake while I was applying ECP. I didn't notice that the move protection was sysop. Thanks for correcting. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:BU_Rob13" title="User:BU Rob13"><b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small></a><sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:BU_Rob13" title="User talk:BU Rob13">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T09:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z"></span>Thanks R. I notice that the article is still in the category. Does the template need changing? There are so many details with some of the protections that I am sure they are tricky to deal with. That is why I always appreciate your expertise and help. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z-BU_Rob13-2017-07-06T14:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Yes, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NULLEDIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NULLEDIT">WP:NULLEDIT</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T18:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T22:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z"></span>Excellent. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T22:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T22:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-07-06T22:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-06T21:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z"><span id="Infocom_techno_solution_.3F_why_deleted_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z"></span>Infocom techno solution ? why deleted page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page"></span>Can any one suggest me why this page is deleted ?? </p><p>i want perfect reason <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Nashikinfo" title="User:Nashikinfo">Nashikinfo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nashikinfo#top" title="User talk:Nashikinfo">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nashikinfo" title="Special:Contributions/Nashikinfo">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z-Infocom_techno_solution_?_why_deleted_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-13T19:30:00.000Z-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Nashikinfo" title="User:Nashikinfo">Nashikinfo</a>:</span> I have no idea what you are talking about. Your post here was your very first Wikipedia edit; none of your edits has ever been deleted. When you reply here, make sure that you include a <a href="/wiki/Help:Link" title="Help:Link">link</a> to the page in question. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-13T19:30:00.000Z-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-13T19:30:00.000Z-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-13T19:30:00.000Z-Nashikinfo-2017-07-13T09:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Art_on_the_Underground_revisions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z"></span>Art on the Underground revisions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"></span>With respect, I spent time editing the Art on the Underground page ensuring it was up to date and accurately represented the work that they do. I also corrected errors on the London Underground page (for example Art on the Underground was founded in 2000, not 1986.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://art.tfl.gov.uk/about/overview/">[1]</a>) I also added references to artworks within stations (Piccadilly Circus, Charing Cross and TCR). </p><p>Art and Architecture is a major part of the Underground - and I would strongly disagree that references to these works should not be included within articles. Precedent of artwork in rapid transit articles is well established - for example <a href="/wiki/96th_Street_(Second_Avenue_Subway)#Artwork" class="mw-redirect" title="96th Street (Second Avenue Subway)">96th Street (Second Avenue Subway)</a> </p><p>I would also disagree that I am "plugging (my) art exhibition" - I have no connection to Art on the Underground, London Underground, TFL or any other transportation body. I am merely a curious individual with an interest in the topic - and a desire to improve the wikipedia articles thereof. </p><p>I would be delighted to work with you on improvements to these articles. </p><p>Yours truly, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.13.122.76" title="Special:Contributions/86.13.122.76">86.13.122.76</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.13.122.76&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.13.122.76 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 16 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-16T10:22:00.000Z-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z"></span>We have recently had a number of edits by the exhibition organisers, and by the creators of those artworks, who are clearly trying to promote themselves in breach of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>. If you feel that the artworks should be mentioned, the best thing to do is to raise a thread at the talk page for the relevant article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-16T10:22:00.000Z-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 16 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-16T10:22:00.000Z-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-16T10:22:00.000Z-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T09:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T10:34:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"></span>That's perfectly understandable. Would you be averse to a correction on London Underground fixing the founding year, before I raise a thread at the talk page for the artworks themselves? I will also post on Piccadilly Circus and Art on the Underground talk pages proposing changes to these articles.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.13.122.76" title="Special:Contributions/86.13.122.76">86.13.122.76</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.13.122.76&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.13.122.76 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T10:34:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 16 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T10:34:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.13.122.76-2017-07-16T10:34:00.000Z-Art_on_the_Underground_revisions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Line_height" data-mw-thread-id="h-Line_height-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Line_height-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z"></span>Line height<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Line_height-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z-Line_height"></span>Sorry to bother you again Redrose, but do you know of a template that adds <code><div style="line-height: "></code>? Thanks.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z-Line_height" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 17 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z-Line_height"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z-Line_height"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z"></span>No. Where would you be using this, how would it be of benefit? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-17T09:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z"></span>I would like to use such a template in an infobox like so (using traditional markup):</dd></dl></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">using <code><div style="line-height:1.2em"></code></div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox vcard"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above" style="font-size: 100%;"><div class="fn" style="font-size:125%;">Redrose64/unclassified 19</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546" /></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header" style="color: #202122; background:lavender;line-height:normal;padding:0.2em;"><div style="display:inline-block; padding:0.2em 0.4em; line-height:1.2em;"><a href="/wiki/Parliamentary_Secretary_to_the_Minister_for_Pensions" class="mw-redirect" title="Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Pensions">Parliamentary Secretary<br />to the Minister for Pensions</a></div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data" style="border-bottom:none"><span class="nowrap"><b>In office</b></span><br />9 October 1961 – 16 October 1964<div style="line-height:normal; padding-top:0.2em; padding-bottom:0.1em">Serving with <div style="line-height:1.2em"><span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/Richard_Sharples" title="Richard Sharples">Richard Sharples</a> and <a href="/wiki/Lynch_Maydon" title="Lynch Maydon">Lynch Maydon</a></span></div></div></td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546" /></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="text-align:left"><span class="nowrap">Prime Minister</span></th><td class="infobox-data"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Harold_Macmillan" title="Harold Macmillan">Harold Macmillan</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Alec_Douglas-Home" title="Alec Douglas-Home">Sir Alec Douglas-Home</a></li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="text-align:left"><span class="nowrap">Preceded by</span></th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Patricia_Hornsby-Smith,_Baroness_Hornsby-Smith" title="Patricia Hornsby-Smith, Baroness Hornsby-Smith">Patricia Hornsby-Smith</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="text-align:left"><span class="nowrap">Succeeded by</span></th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Norman_Pentland" title="Norman Pentland">Norman Pentland</a></td></tr><tr style="display:none"><td colspan="2"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below" style="border-top: 1px solid right;"><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Instead of this (without markup at all):</dd></dl></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598" /> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">NOT using <code><div style="line-height:1.2em"></code></div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546" /><table class="infobox vcard"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above" style="font-size: 100%;"><div class="fn" style="font-size:125%;">Redrose64/unclassified 19</div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546" /></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header" style="color: #202122; background:lavender;line-height:normal;padding:0.2em;"><div style="display:inline-block; padding:0.2em 0.4em; line-height:1.2em;"><a href="/wiki/Parliamentary_Secretary_to_the_Minister_for_Pensions" class="mw-redirect" title="Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Pensions">Parliamentary Secretary<br />to the Minister for Pensions</a></div></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data" style="border-bottom:none"><span class="nowrap"><b>In office</b></span><br />9 October 1961 – 16 October 1964<div style="line-height:normal; padding-top:0.2em; padding-bottom:0.1em">Serving with <span class="nowrap"><a href="/wiki/Richard_Sharples" title="Richard Sharples">Richard Sharples</a> and <a href="/wiki/Lynch_Maydon" title="Lynch Maydon">Lynch Maydon</a></span></div></td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1257001546" /></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="text-align:left"><span class="nowrap">Prime Minister</span></th><td class="infobox-data"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Harold_Macmillan" title="Harold Macmillan">Harold Macmillan</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Alec_Douglas-Home" title="Alec Douglas-Home">Sir Alec Douglas-Home</a></li></ul></div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="text-align:left"><span class="nowrap">Preceded by</span></th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Patricia_Hornsby-Smith,_Baroness_Hornsby-Smith" title="Patricia Hornsby-Smith, Baroness Hornsby-Smith">Patricia Hornsby-Smith</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="text-align:left"><span class="nowrap">Succeeded by</span></th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="/wiki/Norman_Pentland" title="Norman Pentland">Norman Pentland</a></td></tr><tr style="display:none"><td colspan="2"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-below" style="border-top: 1px solid right;"><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The height of the gap between "Serving with" and the names should be reduced, in the same way <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Longitem" title="Template:Longitem">Longitem</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> manages to do in most cases.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-17T22:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-18T23:23:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z"></span>There's hardly any difference in my browser (Opera 36) - other browsers may vary. <i>If</i> there is a benefit to doing this, this seems to me as if amending <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_officeholder/office" title="Template:Infobox officeholder/office">Template:Infobox officeholder/office</a> would be the best route, but only if it's agreed first at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder" title="Template talk:Infobox officeholder">Template talk:Infobox officeholder</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-18T23:23:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-18T23:23:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-18T23:23:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-18T17:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z"></span>Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z-Question"></span>RR64 - do you know off-hand if users are required to have a TP for notices, communication, etc. or can they remain an IP doing stuff on WP (not all good but with good intentions) without a way to contact them? <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z-Question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z-Question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z"></span>Nevermind, found an answer that works. 😉 <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T15:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:23:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z"></span>We do not have a requirement that only logged-in users may communicate with other users, nor that users may only communicate with logged-in users. Therefore, user talk pages for IP addresses may be created and edited by anyone (subject to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROT#User_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROT">normal protection rules</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:23:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:23:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:23:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-07-19T20:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apology" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apology-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apology-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z"></span>Apology<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apology-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z-Apology"></span>Hi RedRose, I wanted to again apologise for the accusation yesterday,<br /> I know I apologised yesterday but that was half-arsed so I wanted to actually apologise this time,<br /> I should've actually looked properly at the discussion(s) before accusing you, The comment was in bad faith and I want to state here and now that that comment was a complete error on my part and as I said I should've checked thoroughly first before making such a stupid comment so again I wanted to sincerely apologise for making that statement,<br /> I know we've butted heads in the past but we only live once and life's too short for petty wars & arguements but I again apologise for the rather stupid comment,<br /> Hope you have a great tomorrow and Happy editing :), –<a href="/wiki/User:Davey2010" title="User:Davey2010"><span style="color: blue;"><b>Davey</b></span><span style="color: orange;"><b>2010</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davey2010" title="User talk:Davey2010"><span style="color: navy;"><b>Talk</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z-Apology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z-Apology"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z-Apology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Davey2010" title="User:Davey2010">Davey2010</a>:</span> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z-Davey2010-2017-07-19T20:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T23:10:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z"></span>You're welcome :), Happy editing. –<a href="/wiki/User:Davey2010" title="User:Davey2010"><span style="color: blue;"><b>Davey</b></span><span style="color: orange;"><b>2010</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davey2010" title="User talk:Davey2010"><span style="color: navy;"><b>Talk</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T23:10:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T23:10:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davey2010-2017-07-19T23:10:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-19T22:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Gallery" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Gallery-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Gallery-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Gallery" title="Template:Gallery">Template:Gallery</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Gallery-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z-Template:Gallery"></span>Hello again Redrose. If you can help out with this, it would be very much appreciated indeed. I having a hard time trying to separate a thumbnail and said template: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598" /> </p> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Example</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Foo.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Foo.jpg/220px-Foo.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="144" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Foo.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="300" data-file-height="197" /></a><figcaption>Foo</figcaption></figure> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1275594942">@media all and (max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery{width:100%!important}}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery{display:table}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-default{background:transparent;margin-top:4px}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-center{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-left{float:left}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-right{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-none{float:none}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-center .gallery{justify-content:center}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-left .gallery{justify-content:left}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-right .gallery{justify-content:right}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery-collapsible{width:100%}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .title,.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .main,.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .footer{display:table-row}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .title>div{display:table-cell;padding:0 4px 4px;text-align:center;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .main>div{display:table-cell}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .gallery.gallery.gallery{line-height:1.35em;display:flex;flex-wrap:wrap;column-gap:4px}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .footer>div{display:table-cell;padding:4px;text-align:right;font-size:85%;line-height:1em}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .title>div *,.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .footer>div *{overflow:visible}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .gallerybox img{background:none!important}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .bordered-images .thumb img{outline:solid var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0)1px}.mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb{background:var(--background-color-base,#fff)!important}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .bordered-images .thumb img[alt*="\200b \200b \200b "],html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .skin-invert-image .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb.thumb.thumb img{outline:solid #d7d7d7 1px}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .skin-invert-image .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb.thumb.thumb img{background:none!important}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb img:not([alt*="\200b \200b \200b "]):not([alt*="\200b \200b \200c "]){background:white!important}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .mod-gallery img[alt*="\200b \200b \200b "]{filter:invert(1)hue-rotate(180deg)}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .bordered-images .thumb img[alt*="\200b \200b \200b "],html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .skin-invert-image .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb.thumb.thumb img{outline:solid #d7d7d7 1px}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .skin-invert-image .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb.thumb.thumb img{background:none!important}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .mod-gallery .whitebg .thumb img:not([alt*="\200b \200b \200b "]):not([alt*="\200b \200b \200c "]){background:white!important}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .mod-gallery img[alt*="\200b \200b \200b "]{filter:invert(1)hue-rotate(180deg)}}</style><div class="mod-gallery mod-gallery-default mod-gallery-right"><div class="title"><div>Foo</div></div><div class="main"><div><ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional nochecker bordered-images whitebg"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 195px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 190px; height: 200px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:No_image.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Foo"><img alt="Foo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/No_image.png" decoding="async" width="160" height="160" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1" data-file-height="1" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Foo</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 195px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 190px; height: 200px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:No_image.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Foo"><img alt="Foo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/No_image.png" decoding="async" width="160" height="160" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1" data-file-height="1" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Foo</div> </li> </ul></div></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>I would like the gallery to appear below the thumbnail and not side-by-side. Do you know of a way to work round this? Thanks.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z-Template:Gallery" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z-Template:Gallery"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z-Template:Gallery"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span>Two ways, which are actually the same although implemented differently. (i) add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Clear" title="Template:Clear">clear</a>}}</code> before the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Gallery" title="Template:Gallery">gallery</a>}}</code>; (ii) inside the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Gallery" title="Template:Gallery">gallery</a>}}</code>, add <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|style=clear: both;</code>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T15:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T20:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z"></span>Neither works for me but it doesn't matter. Have changed my mind over where to place the gallery.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T20:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T20:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-07-20T20:55:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-20T18:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:45:00.000Z-Template:Gallery"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598" /> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Example</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Foo.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Foo.jpg/220px-Foo.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="144" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Foo.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="300" data-file-height="197" /></a><figcaption>Foo</figcaption></figure> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1275594942" /><div class="mod-gallery mod-gallery-default mod-gallery-right"><div class="title"><div>Foo</div></div><div class="main"><div><ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional nochecker bordered-images whitebg"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 195px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 190px; height: 200px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:No_image.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Foo"><img alt="Foo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/No_image.png" decoding="async" width="160" height="160" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1" data-file-height="1" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Foo</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 195px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 190px; height: 200px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:No_image.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Foo"><img alt="Foo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/No_image.png" decoding="async" width="160" height="160" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="1" data-file-height="1" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Foo</div> </li> </ul></div></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This works for me; it should work in all modern (post-1996) browsers. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:45:00.000Z-Template:Gallery" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:45:00.000Z-Template:Gallery"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:45:00.000Z-Template:Gallery"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Highland_Main_Line" data-mw-thread-id="h-Highland_Main_Line-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Highland_Main_Line-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Highland_Main_Line" title="Highland Main Line">Highland Main Line</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Highland_Main_Line-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:46:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line"></span>Follow-up to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Druimuachdar_Summit" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Druimuachdar Summit</a></i> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:46:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:46:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-20T22:46:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line"></span>I'm tired and off to bed, but AFAIK the IP is only a few hours outside of violating 3RR and called me "<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.128.4.147&diff=791539794&oldid=791538029">a Nigel</a>" (is that a reference to Mr Farage?) so I would say any uninvolved admin is fair game to block. Hopefully though, the latest edit is enough to get consensus and prevent that. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Ritchie333-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2017-07-20T22:42:00.000Z-Highland_Main_Line"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oxford_53" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oxford_53-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oxford_53-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z"></span>Oxford 53<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oxford_53-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z-Oxford_53"></span>I note you haven't created a page for the next Oxford meetup yet. Is one happening in August? <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z-Oxford_53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 23 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z-Oxford_53"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z-Oxford_53"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-23T19:52:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span><b> Done</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-23T19:52:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-23T19:52:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-23T19:52:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2017-07-23T19:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GWR_First_Class" data-mw-thread-id="h-GWR_First_Class-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GWR_First_Class-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span>GWR First Class<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GWR_First_Class-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z-GWR_First_Class"></span>You say that you have never seen leather seating on a 166, or at seat service. </p><p>Here is why you are wrong. </p><p>First Class seating on a GWR 166: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/55223176@N03/28594827641/in/photolist-KyPY2F-WvUGyv-KyPYBP-VVC8aY-VVC9jm-VeEve7-JKcidA-TAg1Rn-yadmoe-z76gSM">https://www.flickr.com/photos/55223176@N03/28594827641/in/photolist-KyPY2F-WvUGyv-KyPYBP-VVC8aY-VVC9jm-VeEve7-JKcidA-TAg1Rn-yadmoe-z76gSM</a> </p><p>At Seat Service: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.gwr.com/plan-journey/train-times">https://www.gwr.com/plan-journey/train-times</a> look at timetable E10. Operated by a Class 166. </p><p>If you want to edit stuff, I don't mind that, but removing stuff because "you've never heard of it" doesn't mean its not true. </p><p>Thank you.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.125.63.38" title="Special:Contributions/91.125.63.38">91.125.63.38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:91.125.63.38" title="User talk:91.125.63.38">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z-GWR_First_Class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z-GWR_First_Class"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z-GWR_First_Class"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-07-28T17:41:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> Doesn't really look like leather  :) more like good old English vinyl... — <a href="/wiki/User:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"><span style="color:maroon"><b>fortuna</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"><span style="color:navy"><i><b>velut luna</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-07-28T17:41:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-07-28T17:41:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-07-28T17:41:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span>Do you mean <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Western_Railway_(train_operating_company)&diff=prev&oldid=792392369">this edit</a></span>, or <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_Western_Railway_(train_operating_company)&diff=next&oldid=792392369">this one</a></span>?</dd> <dd>In the first case, I said "please find me *one* train - any one - that does not have standard class. If you can, then this may be qiualified; if not, the text is redundant". I have never yet come across a train that had no standard class (or second class, as it was formerly known), other than boat trains, excursions and other specials. So it is simply <i>not necessary</i> to state that standard class is provided on "local services across the West, Bristol and London as well as its long distance HST services". The implication is that there is no standard class on South Wales services, which is easily disprovable. Why not simply state that it's on all services?</dd> <dd>In the second case, I said "I've never seen either leather seats or at-seat service on a 166". I travel in <a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_166" title="British Rail Class 166">Class 166</a> trains quite frequently - those seats are not leather (tables I will grant you, except that some seem to be mysteriously missing). Nor is there a "customer host" (unless you count the ticket collector) providing "at seat service" (unless that means a ticket inspection). --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T17:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z"></span>It clearly says in the GWR timetable that an at seat service is provided on Gatwick airport services. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.125.63.38" title="Special:Contributions/91.125.63.38">91.125.63.38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:91.125.63.38" title="User talk:91.125.63.38">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 28 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-28T20:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-29T06:03:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z"></span>Class 166 is used on other routes besides the Gatwick airport services. Paddingon - Oxford (calling at Reading only) for example. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-29T06:03:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-29T06:03:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-29T06:03:00.000Z-91.125.63.38-2017-07-28T23:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system" data-mw-thread-id="h-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z"></span>RE: Editors abusing the system<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system"></span> I was directly quoting the page for Sarah Wiedenheft which was put for draft: </p><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikiuserdraft.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Wikiuserdraft.png/220px-Wikiuserdraft.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Wikiuserdraft.png/330px-Wikiuserdraft.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Wikiuserdraft.png/440px-Wikiuserdraft.png 2x" data-file-width="1765" data-file-height="328" /></a><figcaption>editor</figcaption></figure> <p>This user in particular, and I'm sure there are others, has attempted (and succeeded) this with many different actors on numerous occasions (not excluding the one above.) I've gotten several people complaining about it. Most of the actors put up for discussion have proper sourcing. And if they don't, it's one thing to remove a credit because of that. But to put an actors' page up for draft/deletion due to one's opinion of fame/notability? I don't agree with that. <a href="/wiki/User:Swiedenx3" title="User:Swiedenx3">Swiedenx3</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Swiedenx3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Swiedenx3 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z-RE:_Editors_abusing_the_system"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Swiedenx3" title="User:Swiedenx3">Swiedenx3</a>:</span> I am not a "go to" for disputes between two people who I don't recall encountering previously, nor for disputes about a page which I have never touched nor have any interest in. Your comment begins "I was directly quoting" which implies that you are continuing a discussion that was started elsewhere, so really you should have put your comment on that discussion, not here, in order to prevent fragmentation (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MULTI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MULTI">WP:MULTI</a>).</dd> <dd>The attached image seems to concern a deletion discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a>, probably <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarah_Wiedenheft" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Wiedenheft">WP:Articles for deletion/Sarah Wiedenheft</a>, but that is now closed, so you have three avenues: (i) start a thread at the talk page for the draft, <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Sarah_Wiedenheft" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft talk:Sarah Wiedenheft">Draft talk:Sarah Wiedenheft</a>; (ii) the talk page for the closing admin, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ks0stm" title="User talk:Ks0stm">User talk:Ks0stm</a>; (iii) you could follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">WP:DRV</a> process. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T03:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T08:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> I can understand that however you asked about it in a different discussion, I'm new to this platform it's wacky and replying is awkward, I honestly am still unsure if I understand it so I apologize.</dd> <dd>I actually just now figured it out thanks to your reply though. Thank you for the information regardless.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Swiedenx3" title="User:Swiedenx3">Swiedenx3</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Swiedenx3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Swiedenx3 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T08:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T08:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Swiedenx3-2017-07-31T08:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T06:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z"></span>A question for my talk page watchers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers"></span>First consider <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=793086580&oldid=793085142">this pair of edits</a></span>, which comprise one post. Now, read <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=793174115">this post</a></span> (the whole post, not the altered words) carefully, and consider it in relation to the first. Can anybody explain the logic here? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z-A_question_for_my_talk_page_watchers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FlightTime-2017-07-31T23:35:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z"></span>I saw that yesterday I think, the only rational that comes to mind is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND">WP:BATTLEGROUND</a>. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><a href="/wiki/User:FlightTime" title="User:FlightTime"><span style="color:#800000"><b>FlightTime</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FlightTime" title="User talk:FlightTime"><span style="color:#FFD700"><b>open channel</b></span></a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-FlightTime-2017-07-31T23:35:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 31 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FlightTime-2017-07-31T23:35:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FlightTime-2017-07-31T23:35:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-07-31T23:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Revert_Clarification" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revert_Clarification-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Revert_Clarification-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z"></span>Revert Clarification<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Revert_Clarification-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z-Revert_Clarification"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235781174" /><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /></span></span> Moved to <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Section#Revert_Clarification" title="Help talk:Section">Help talk:Section § Revert Clarification</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%"><a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z-Revert_Clarification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 2 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z-Revert_Clarification"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-02T19:25:00.000Z-Revert_Clarification"></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_discussion-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category_discussion-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z"></span>Category discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category_discussion-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z-Category_discussion"></span>Wanted to thank you, a bit belatedly, for bringing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_8#Category:Redirects_to_numerals" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 8">this discussion</a> to my attention<i>!</i>  <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></b></i><small>  <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'r there</sup></a> </small> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z-Category_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z-Category_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2017-08-02T21:51:00.000Z-Category_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z"></span>Reverted edit on Govia Thameslink Railway<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway"></span>Hello, I notice you reverted my edit on the GTR page. I was just changing the infobox from "company" to "rail company". The other changes were side effects of using the visual editor. Do you agree with the change I was trying to make? Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:JaJaWa" title="User:JaJaWa">JaJaWa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaJaWa" title="User talk:JaJaWa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z-Reverted_edit_on_Govia_Thameslink_Railway"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-04T07:01:00.000Z-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z"></span>I didn't notice the change in infobox type, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govia_Thameslink_Railway&diff=prev&oldid=793606342">what I saw</a></span> was it all mashed up into the start of the source text, all on the same line as (and <i>preceding</i>, contrary to <a href="/wiki/MOS:LEAD" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:LEAD">MOS:LEAD</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HNP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HNP">WP:HNP</a>) the hatnote. I stay well away from VE: it causes too many problems. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-04T07:01:00.000Z-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-04T07:01:00.000Z-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-04T07:01:00.000Z-JaJaWa-2017-08-04T03:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Royal_family" data-mw-thread-id="h-Royal_family-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Royal_family-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Royal_family" title="Royal family">Royal family</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Royal_family-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z-Royal_family"></span>Hi Redrose. Would you mind lending a hand in fixing the whitespace issue at <a href="/wiki/Royal_family#Current_royal_families" title="Royal family">Royal family#Current royal families</a>? I have tried using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Stack" title="Template:Stack">stack</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> but to no avail.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z-Royal_family" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z-Royal_family"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z-Royal_family"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-05T19:07:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Neve-selbert</a>:</span> At present, it's forced below the bottom edge of <a href="/wiki/File:Louis14-Family.jpg" title="File:Louis14-Family.jpg">this image</a> because the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Col-begin" title="Template:Col-begin">col-begin</a>}}</code> template internally uses the CSS declaration <code>width:100%;</code>. The template doesn't provide the means to suppress that, but it may be overridden - one thing that works in some browsers (like Opera) is to add either <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|width=auto</code> or <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|width=inherit</code> to the template (for the differences between these, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#the-width-property">CSS 2.1 Specification section 10.2 Content width: the 'width' property</a>); this will bring the columnnar lists directly below the section heading but might also crush it sideways.</dd> <dd>I generally avoid <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Col-begin" title="Template:Col-begin">col-begin</a>}}</code>/<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Col-break" title="Template:Col-break">col-break</a>}}</code>/<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Col-end" title="Template:Col-end">col-end</a>}}</code> because the need to set artificial divisions between columns (i.e. the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Col-break" title="Template:Col-break">col-break</a>}}</code> template) can cause accessibility issues. You could alter the article to use <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Div_col" title="Template:Div col">div col</a>}}</code>/<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Div_col_end" title="Template:Div col end">div col end</a>}}</code>, but the top edge of the columnar lists would be no higher than the top edge of the aforementioned image. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-05T19:07:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-05T19:07:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-05T19:07:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-05T18:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Showing_me_how_it's_done" data-mw-thread-id="h-Showing_me_how_it's_done-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z"><span id="Showing_me_how_it.27s_done"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Showing_me_how_it's_done-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Showing me how it's done<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Showing_me_how_it's_done-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z-Showing_me_how_it's_done"></span>Thanks for <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Breakdancing&diff=0&oldid=794151485">covering for me</a></span> on the breakdancing RfC. I've never renewed an RfC before and I appreciate your taking the time to clean up my mess! <a href="/wiki/User:Ibadibam" title="User:Ibadibam">Ibadibam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ibadibam" title="User talk:Ibadibam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z-Showing_me_how_it's_done" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z-Showing_me_how_it's_done"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z-Showing_me_how_it's_done"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T18:08:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ibadibam" title="User:Ibadibam">Ibadibam</a>:</span> It's because when preparing pages like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Media,_the_arts,_and_architecture" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Media, the arts, and architecture">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Media, the arts, and architecture</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Legobot" title="User:Legobot">Legobot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legobot" title="User talk:Legobot">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legobot" title="Special:Contributions/Legobot">contribs</a>) copies everything from the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> template (exclusive) to the next timestamp (inclusive), with <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Media,_the_arts,_and_architecture&diff=next&oldid=794109396">this result</a></span>, which since my edit has been <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Media,_the_arts,_and_architecture&diff=next&oldid=794198106">improved</a></span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T18:08:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T18:08:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T18:08:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2017-08-06T16:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mr_Alvini" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mr_Alvini-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mr_Alvini-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z"></span>Mr Alvini<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mr_Alvini-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z-Mr_Alvini"></span>Please block <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_Alvini" title="User:Mr Alvini">Mr Alvini</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_Alvini" title="User talk:Mr Alvini">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr_Alvini" title="Special:Contributions/Mr Alvini">contribs</a>). He is vandalizing nonstop. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.53.112.186" title="Special:Contributions/99.53.112.186">99.53.112.186</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:99.53.112.186" title="User talk:99.53.112.186">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z-Mr_Alvini" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z-Mr_Alvini"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z-Mr_Alvini"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z"></span>Have they been reported at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z"></span>Yes they have, and nothing is being done. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.53.112.186" title="Special:Contributions/99.53.112.186">99.53.112.186</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:99.53.112.186" title="User talk:99.53.112.186">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T21:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z"></span>Why should I not block <a href="/wiki/User:Instantmatter49" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Instantmatter49">Instantmatter49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Instantmatter49" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Instantmatter49">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Instantmatter49" title="Special:Contributions/Instantmatter49">contribs</a>) instead? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T21:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span>Because <a href="/wiki/User:Instantmatter49" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Instantmatter49">Instantmatter49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Instantmatter49" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Instantmatter49">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Instantmatter49" title="Special:Contributions/Instantmatter49">contribs</a>) is not vandalizing. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.53.112.186" title="Special:Contributions/99.53.112.186">99.53.112.186</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:99.53.112.186" title="User talk:99.53.112.186">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:03:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z"></span>It's a matter of opinion. Both seem to be in breach of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RR">WP:3RR</a> many times over, maybe I'll block them both. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:03:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 6 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:03:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-06T22:03:00.000Z-99.53.112.186-2017-08-06T22:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_subsequent_to_it." data-mw-thread-id="h-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Reference to your recent guidance on Wikipedia template print-outs and matters subsequent to it.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s"></span>I do not know how long it will take Wikipedia to correct the recent print-outs that show a full white line across the template between every single station, which was the reason why I first raised this matter, as it is of very recent in time. I thought that I would try to print out the Template : Disused Exeter to Plymouth Line stations RDT today, but the same "dotted line" appearance on the actual railway line is still there as before. </p><p>I am rather confused as one person told me to address the matter to Village Pump (Technical) then I was notified that was not correct and to use a different one. From what I can see, someone has kindly brought this matter to the correct part of Wikipedia technical in order that matters are corrected. Have you any idea how long it will be before matters are back to normal. </p><p>I did make a formal apology on my talk page entry on the matter. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User:Xenophon Philosopher">Xenophon Philosopher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User talk:Xenophon Philosopher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z-Reference_to_your_recent_guidance_on_Wikipedia_template_print-outs_and_matters_s"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-08T20:57:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z"></span>The Village Pump (Technical) thread being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Problem_suddenly_found_when_printing_out_RDT_line_templates" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Problem suddenly found when printing out RDT line templates</a>; it has a link to <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2017" title="MediaWiki talk:Common.css">MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Protected edit request on 8 August 2017</a> and if my suspicion is correct, that is where a note will be left when the fix is made. At present, they seem to be discussing why <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules">an <code>!important</code> annotation</a> was used. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-08T20:57:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-08T20:57:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-08T20:57:00.000Z-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-08-08T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z"></span>Proposal for a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Wikipedia stub templates by topic (page does not exist)">Category:Wikipedia stub templates by topic</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fadesga-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic"></span>Hi Redrose64. I have just proposed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting#Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting">a new category for organizing stub templates</a>, what do you say? Regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Fadesga" title="User:Fadesga">Fadesga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fadesga" title="User talk:Fadesga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Fadesga-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fadesga-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fadesga-2017-08-10T13:12:00.000Z-Proposal_for_a_Category:Wikipedia_stub_templates_by_topic"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="REM_rail_box" data-mw-thread-id="h-REM_rail_box-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-REM_rail_box-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span>REM rail box<span data-mw-comment-end="h-REM_rail_box-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z-REM_rail_box"></span>Hi, </p><p>The Rambling Man deleted the whole convo on his talk page, so I thought we could continue here. Just wanted to know how you planned to build and implement the rail box for the REM? Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Mtlfiredude" title="User:Mtlfiredude">Mtlfiredude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mtlfiredude" title="User talk:Mtlfiredude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z-REM_rail_box" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z-REM_rail_box"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z-REM_rail_box"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span>It seems that <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Rambling_Man&diff=next&oldid=795529750">they did</a></span>, along with an indiscriminate bunch of other threads. I suspect that the recent behaviour of some people on that page may have had something to do with it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 15 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T01:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T14:56:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, he "cleaned up the trash" it seems... So about the rail box, if you manage to build the template, I can then implement it for each REM station. Sounds good? <a href="/wiki/User:Mtlfiredude" title="User:Mtlfiredude">Mtlfiredude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mtlfiredude" title="User talk:Mtlfiredude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T14:56:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T14:56:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-15T14:56:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-15T07:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Date_sequence" data-mw-thread-id="h-Date_sequence-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Date_sequence-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z"></span>Date sequence<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Date_sequence-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z-Date_sequence"></span>I'm puzzled by your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Citing_sources&oldid=prev&diff=795843701">edit comment</a>. Are you suggesting that the date sequence in citations should be different from that in the article text, or that there is some guidance endorsing such difference? Clearly we want consistency between citations, and there are gnomes using bot or AWB assists to achieve that. All that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Use_mdy_dates" title="Template:Use mdy dates">use mdy dates</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Use_dmy_dates" title="Template:Use dmy dates">use dmy dates</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> do is avoid bunfights over such trivia by guiding these gnomes to the established consensus order. Do we perhaps need a way to indicate one order for the body and another for the citations? <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog#top" title="User talk:LeadSongDog"><span style="color:red; font-family:Papyrus;">come howl!</span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z-Date_sequence" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z-Date_sequence"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z-Date_sequence"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z"></span>The section is about citation styles, the subsection is about what is considered helpful when dealing with existing citations. Adding <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Use_dmy_dates" title="Template:Use dmy dates">use dmy dates</a>}}</code> and similar are nothing to do with improving citations, they concern the overall style of the article <i>as a whole</i>. It has previously been established (see <a href="/wiki/MOS:DATEUNIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DATEUNIFY">MOS:DATEUNIFY</a>) that the date format in refs <i>may</i> be different from that in the article as a whole; I am not saying that it <i>must</i> be different and I fail to see how my edit summary can be taken that way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-17T15:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z"></span>I get that, but do we not then need an equivalent, something like {{use mdy dates|cites}}, to unify the citation publication date format when they differ from the body text date formats? <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog#top" title="User talk:LeadSongDog"><span style="color:red; font-family:Papyrus;">come howl!</span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-17T22:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T19:57:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z"></span>I just raised <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Use_dmy_dates#Need_additional_parameters" title="Template talk:Use dmy dates">this</a> for comment. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog#top" title="User talk:LeadSongDog"><span style="color:red; font-family:Papyrus;">come howl!</span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T19:57:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T19:57:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T19:57:00.000Z-LeadSongDog-2017-08-18T17:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="British_Somaliland" data-mw-thread-id="h-British_Somaliland-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-British_Somaliland-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/British_Somaliland" title="British Somaliland">British Somaliland</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-British_Somaliland-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z-British_Somaliland"></span>There is currently a dispute on which are the successor states to the former entity. Because you have edited country templates I decided to contact you.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.13.137.81" title="Special:Contributions/92.13.137.81">92.13.137.81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:92.13.137.81" title="User talk:92.13.137.81">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z-British_Somaliland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z-British_Somaliland"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z-British_Somaliland"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z"></span>Which country templates? Please state which ones; I don't recall ever editing anything to do with <a href="/wiki/British_Somaliland" title="British Somaliland">British Somaliland</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 18 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T20:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z"></span>You edited <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_former_country&action=history">this</a>. I figured you know more than me about acceptable usage of parameters on that template. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.13.137.81" title="Special:Contributions/92.13.137.81">92.13.137.81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:92.13.137.81" title="User talk:92.13.137.81">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-18T22:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:34:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z"></span>All I ever did to that template was <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_former_country&diff=prev&oldid=767791686">remove a declaration</a></span> from a <code>style=</code> attribute that had been causing <a href="/wiki/MOS:ACCESS#Text" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ACCESS">accessibility issues</a>. It does not make me an expert in that template, even less an expert on British Somaliland. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:34:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 19 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:34:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:34:00.000Z-92.13.137.81-2017-08-18T22:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_fix_something?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_fix_something?-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z"><span id="Can_you_fix_something.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_fix_something?-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span>Can you fix something?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_fix_something?-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z-Can_you_fix_something?"></span>Hello, Redrose64 – I just left a long comment at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Waldensians#Sentence_needs_clarifying" title="Talk:Waldensians">Talk:Waldensians#Sentence needs clarifying</a>, and right after I saved it, I saw that the font of my comment was small. I looked at the previous section and saw a comment added but not signed. It looked like the poster deleted part of the date-time stamp of the comment before his/hers, but I wasn't sure how to fix it. Can you fix this? Thanks in advance,  – <a href="/wiki/User:Corinne" title="User:Corinne">Corinne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Corinne#top" title="User talk:Corinne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z-Can_you_fix_something?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 19 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z-Can_you_fix_something?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z-Can_you_fix_something?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Waldensians&diff=prev&oldid=796275087"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span>This edit</a></span> will have fixed it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 19 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-19T16:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Corinne-2017-08-19T20:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z"></span>Thanks!  – <a href="/wiki/User:Corinne" title="User:Corinne">Corinne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Corinne#top" title="User talk:Corinne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Corinne-2017-08-19T20:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 19 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Corinne-2017-08-19T20:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Corinne-2017-08-19T20:26:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-19T18:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="London_Victoria_station" data-mw-thread-id="h-London_Victoria_station-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-London_Victoria_station-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z"></span>London Victoria station<span data-mw-comment-end="h-London_Victoria_station-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z-London_Victoria_station"></span>Re the Rose reference, would it help to mark is as <code>|page=not numbered</code> or similar? <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z-London_Victoria_station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 20 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z-London_Victoria_station"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z-London_Victoria_station"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-20T09:59:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z"></span>It's a single sheet of <a href="/wiki/B1_paper" class="mw-redirect" title="B1 paper">B1 paper</a>, printed on one side. I don't want to imply that there is more than one page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-20T09:59:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:59, 20 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-20T09:59:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-20T09:59:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-08-20T09:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sir_Terence_English" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sir_Terence_English-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sir_Terence_English-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z"></span>Sir Terence English<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sir_Terence_English-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z-Sir_Terence_English"></span>I would appreciate your comments on this article, also the History of Medicine Society page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispyhistory" title="User talk:Whispyhistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispyhistory-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z-Sir_Terence_English" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 20 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z-Sir_Terence_English"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispyhistory-2017-08-20T14:34:00.000Z-Sir_Terence_English"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WikiProject_Investment" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProject_Investment-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProject_Investment-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span>WikiProject Investment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProject_Investment-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z-WikiProject_Investment"></span>Hey there! I just re-launched the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Investment" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Investment">WikiProject Investment</a>. </p><p>The site has been fully revamped and updated and I would like to invite you the project. </p><p>Feel free to check out the project and ping me if you have any questions. </p><p><br /> </p> <table class="messagebox standard-talk"> <tbody><tr> <td><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg/225px-A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg" decoding="async" width="225" height="168" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg/338px-A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg/450px-A1_Houston_Office_Oil_Traders_on_Monday.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2580" data-file-height="1932" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>I'd like to invite you to join the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Investment" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Investment">Investment WikiProject</a>. There are a lot of Investment related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help get this project off the ground and a few Investment pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br /> Cheers! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WikiEditCrunch&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WikiEditCrunch (page does not exist)">WikiEditCrunch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiEditCrunch" title="User talk:WikiEditCrunch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z-WikiProject_Investment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 23 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z-WikiProject_Investment"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z-WikiProject_Investment"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-23T11:26:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WikiEditCrunch&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WikiEditCrunch (page does not exist)">WikiEditCrunch</a>:</span> I know you did; that is why I made <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_Investment/doc&diff=prev&oldid=796826003">this edit</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Investment_ad&diff=prev&oldid=796826827">this one</a></span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-23T11:26:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-23T11:26:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-23T11:26:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:27:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span>Oh I did not see that.Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WikiEditCrunch&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WikiEditCrunch (page does not exist)">WikiEditCrunch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiEditCrunch" title="User talk:WikiEditCrunch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:27:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 23 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:27:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:27:00.000Z-WikiEditCrunch-2017-08-23T11:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z"></span>Reminder<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z-Reminder"></span>Hey, </p><p>Are you still able to help for the REM rail box? I haven't heard back from you. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Mtlfiredude" title="User:Mtlfiredude">Mtlfiredude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mtlfiredude" title="User talk:Mtlfiredude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z-Reminder" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 26 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z-Reminder"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mtlfiredude-2017-08-26T01:52:00.000Z-Reminder"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sources-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sources-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sources-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z-Sources"></span>I do know of some sources, one for the <a href="/wiki/LMS_Fowler_Class_3F" title="LMS Fowler Class 3F">LMS Fowler Class 3F</a>, although it's a really messed up source <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=TbOBBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=lms+class+3f+jinty+top+speed&source=bl&ots=dOa8UvmVFz&sig=Hc_Ll-nfPWb9I4nX_5qtxTEKJRk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz65u8g_TVAhVDx7wKHTsoCXMQ6AEIWjAK#v=onepage&q=lms%20class%203f%20jinty%20top%20speed&f=false">[2]</a>. Also there are some sources for the top speed of the <a href="/wiki/LB%26SCR_E2_class" title="LB&SCR E2 class">LB&SCR E2 class</a> although they are debatable, since some of them say that their maximum speed is 30-40 mph, while others say that their maximum speed is 40-50 mph. So it's basically debating between three possible top speeds for the locomotive. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;"><a href="/wiki/User:C.Syde65" title="User:C.Syde65"><span style="color:maroon;">C.Syde</span></a></span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C.Syde65" title="User talk:C.Syde65"><span style="color:black;">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/C.Syde65" title="Special:Contributions/C.Syde65"><span style="color:black;">contribs</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z-Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z-Sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z-Sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-26T05:58:00.000Z-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Messed-up sources cannot be considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. We need to satisfy the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">policy on verifiability</a>.</dd> <dd>The thing is though, stating a maximum speed for a steam loco isn't really valid. Diesel and electric locomotives (and multiple units) have a sign in the cab "Max speed 95 mph" or similar, this is the speed above which it would be unsafe for the loco to run; if we can source that, we can use it. However, for a steam loco, there is no such sign, and the maximum <i>safe</i> speed is usually greater than the maximum <i>capable</i> speed. The maximum capable speed is affected by many factors like quality of coal, physical state of the fireman, time in service (steam locos deteriorate during the day, hence the need for daily shed attention) and several other factors. Stating a "maximum" speed for a steam loco is misleading; it's like with the <a href="/wiki/LNER_Class_A4" title="LNER Class A4">LNER Class A4</a> - we know that <i>Mallard</i> did top 125 mph on one occasion, this does not mean that it would always have been capable of doing that. So is 125 mph the maximum speed for the A4 class? No. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-26T05:58:00.000Z-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 26 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-26T05:58:00.000Z-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-26T05:58:00.000Z-C.Syde65-2017-08-26T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rowspan_problem" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rowspan_problem-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rowspan_problem-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z"></span>Rowspan problem<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rowspan_problem-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z-Rowspan_problem"></span>Hi Redrose. Would you mind helping me out with a particular problem concerning table formatting? I am trying to span two cells containing dates so that they can contain two cells adjacent to it like so: </p> <table border="1"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="3">Stanley Baldwin</td> <td style="background-color:red" rowspan="2"><span style="font-size:85%;">7 June</span><br />1935</td> <td style="background-color:red" rowspan="2"><span style="font-size:85%;">28 May</span><br />1937</td> <td rowspan="3"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><div class="plainlist"><ul><li>First Lord of the Treasury</li><li>Leader of the House of Commons</li></ul></div></td> <td rowspan="3">Conservative</td> <td rowspan="3">3rd National</td> <td style="background-color:yellow">George V</td> <td rowspan="3"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1255586131">.mw-parser-output .fakelinks{color:var(--color-progressive,#0645ad);cursor:default}.mw-parser-output .fakelinks:hover{color:var(--color-progressive--hover,#0645ad)}</style><sup class="reference nowrap ltr fakelinks">[1]</sup> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="background-color:yellow">Edward VIII </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">1935</td> <td rowspan="3">George VI </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Here the date cells (highlighted red) contain both George V and Edward VIII on the far right (highlighted yellow). But when I use the immediate above and below cells, it looks like this: </p> <table border="1"> <tbody><tr> <th>Name</th> <th colspan="2">Term of office</th> <th>Other ministerial offices held</th> <th>Party</th> <th>Ministry</th> <th>Sovereign</th> <th>Ref </th></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="5">Ramsay MacDonald</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">5 June</span><br />1929</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">24 August</span><br />1931</td> <td rowspan="5"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><div class="plainlist"><ul><li>First Lord of the Treasury</li><li>Leader of the House of Commons</li></ul></div></td> <td rowspan="2">Labour</td> <td rowspan="2">MacDonald II</td> <td style="background-color:aqua" rowspan="6">George V</td> <td rowspan="5"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1255586131" /><sup class="reference nowrap ltr fakelinks">[1]</sup> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">1929 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">24 August</span><br />1931</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">28 October</span><br />1931</td> <td rowspan="3">National Labour</td> <td>1st National </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">28 October</span><br />1931</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">7 June</span><br />1935</td> <td rowspan="2">2nd National </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">1931 </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="3">Stanley Baldwin</td> <td style="background-color:lime" rowspan="2"><span style="font-size:85%;">7 June</span><br />1935</td> <td style="background-color:lime" rowspan="2"><span style="font-size:85%;">28 May</span><br />1937</td> <td rowspan="3"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><div class="plainlist"><ul><li>First Lord of the Treasury</li><li>Leader of the House of Commons</li></ul></div></td> <td rowspan="3">Conservative</td> <td rowspan="3">3rd National</td> <td rowspan="3"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1255586131" /><sup class="reference nowrap ltr fakelinks">[1]</sup> </td></tr> <tr style="background-color:aqua"> <td>Edward VIII </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">1935</td> <td rowspan="3">George VI </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="2">Neville Chamberlain</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">28 May</span><br />1937</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">3 September</span><br />1939</td> <td rowspan="2"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409" /><div class="plainlist"><ul><li>First Lord of the Treasury</li><li>Leader of the House of Commons</li></ul></div></td> <td rowspan="2">Conservative</td> <td>4th National</td> <td rowspan="2"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1255586131" /><sup class="reference nowrap ltr fakelinks">[1]</sup> </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">3 September</span><br />1939</td> <td><span style="font-size:85%;">10 May</span><br />1940</td> <td>Chamberlain War </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Here the date cells (highlighted lime) are still rowspan-ed, yet the George V cell (highlighted aqua) does not correspond in the same way, with Edward VIII filling the entire space. I have been trying to solve this problem for a while now but every time I end up seriously disarranging the table. I am not sure what else I can do.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z-Rowspan_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 25 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z-Rowspan_problem"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z-Rowspan_problem"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z"></span>It's a browser issue; it displays fine in Opera 36. But at <a href="/wiki/Template:Rail_line_three_to_two" title="Template:Rail line three to two">Template:Rail line three to two</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/503975097" title="Special:PermanentLink/503975097">this version</a>) I did it by making sure that one column (the second one) had no rowspans, and hiding the last five of the six top borders, also the first five of the six bottom borders in that column. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z-Neve-selbert-2017-08-25T18:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-26T13:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"></span>I'm an intermediate at best when it comes to table formatting. Could you try that technique out on the table above? Thanks.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-26T13:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 26 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-26T13:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-26T13:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-28T13:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"></span>Sorry <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>, but would you mind lending a hand? I need some help with this.--<a href="/wiki/User:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Neve-selbert">Nevé</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert" title="Special:Contributions/Neve-selbert">–</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neve-selbert" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Neve-selbert">selbert</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-28T13:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 28 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-28T13:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neve-selbert-2017-08-28T13:28:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cleanup_on_aisle_three" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cleanup_on_aisle_three-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cleanup_on_aisle_three-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Cleanup on aisle three<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cleanup_on_aisle_three-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z-Cleanup_on_aisle_three"></span>Hello R. A few items have shown up in our old friend <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_incorrect_protection_templates" title="Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates">Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates</a>. I cannot edit the template redirects and I'm not sure why Trump's talk page is in the cat. Thanks ahead of time for checking on these. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z-Cleanup_on_aisle_three" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z-Cleanup_on_aisle_three"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z-Cleanup_on_aisle_three"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:33:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Why can't you edit <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:DELETE&redirect=no">Template:DELETE</a></span>? It's not protected. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:33:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 28 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:33:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:33:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span>Of the others, the necessary edits <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Redrose64?offset=20170828214100&limit=2">were these</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T19:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T21:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z"></span>D'oh. After noting that first one was fully protected I just assumed the second one was as well. Thanks for the fixes. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T21:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 28 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T21:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-08-28T21:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-08-28T21:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Artúr_Görgei" data-mw-thread-id="h-Artúr_Görgei-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z"><span id="Art.C3.BAr_G.C3.B6rgei"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Artúr_Görgei-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span>Artúr Görgei<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Artúr_Görgei-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z-Artúr_Görgei"></span>Hello, Redrose64 – I'm in the middle of copy-editing <a href="/wiki/Art%C3%BAr_G%C3%B6rgei" title="Artúr Görgei">Artúr Görgei</a> (but am actually putting writing by a non-native speaker of English into English), but am taking a break now for a couple of hours. I don't know much about tables, but it seems to me that the cells in the table about two-thirds of the way through the article are too tall. There seems to be a lot of unnecessary space below the text in the cells. If you agree, is there any way you could reduce the height of the cells?  – <a href="/wiki/User:Corinne" title="User:Corinne">Corinne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Corinne#top" title="User talk:Corinne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z-Artúr_Görgei" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 31 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z-Artúr_Görgei"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z-Artúr_Görgei"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Corinne" title="User:Corinne">Corinne</a>:</span> This is one of those things which will vary according to many factors, such as screen width, browser type, fonts available and their sizes. But the main factor will be the table content itself: each row will be as tall as the tallest cell in that row, so if one of the cells in a row contains significantly more information than the others, that one will dictate the height and so the others will have unavoidable blank space. The chief culprit seems to be the "Notes" column, which in some cases seems rather verbose. The last row is particularly bad in that regard.</dd> <dd>Something which you have not picked up on is the misuse of <code class="nowrap" style=""><ins>...</ins></code> tags. These have a semantic meaning: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.w3.org/TR/html5/edits.html#the-ins-element">the <code>ins</code> element</a> "represents an addition to the document", and that is not how it is being used here - it seems to be used purely stylistically, perhaps to underline text, for which other methods are much more appropriate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 1 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-08-31T18:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z"></span>Thank you, Redrose64. After I left this comment and finished copy-editing the article, I realized that it was probably the copious notes in the last column that was causing the cell heights to be so tall. Either the notes need to be shortened or the column width for that column needs to be made wider. I've left comments at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Norden1990#Artúr_Görgei_copy-edit" title="User talk:Norden1990">User talk:Norden1990#Artúr Görgei copy-edit</a> and, to get the ideas of a military history editor on this and other issues , at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AustralianRupert#Artúr_Görgei" title="User talk:AustralianRupert">User talk:AustralianRupert#Artúr Görgei</a>. I really do appreciate your comments. Now, I'll leave it up to Norden1990, AustralianRupert, and the other editor who had expanded the article.  – <a href="/wiki/User:Corinne" title="User:Corinne">Corinne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Corinne#top" title="User talk:Corinne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-01T09:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:22:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z"></span>(Sorry, Redrose64 – I left this comment before realizing you had already left a comment on AustralianRupert's talk page.)  – <a href="/wiki/User:Corinne" title="User:Corinne">Corinne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Corinne#top" title="User talk:Corinne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:22:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 1 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:22:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:22:00.000Z-Corinne-2017-09-01T17:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations" data-mw-thread-id="h-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z"><span id="South_Gloucestershire.23Transport_-_Railway_stations"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/South_Gloucestershire#Transport" title="South Gloucestershire">South Gloucestershire#Transport</a> - Railway stations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMeeds-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations"></span>Thank you for your swift and decisive action. <a href="/wiki/User:SMeeds" title="User:SMeeds">SMeeds</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMeeds" title="User talk:SMeeds">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-SMeeds-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 2 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMeeds-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMeeds-2017-09-02T08:52:00.000Z-South_Gloucestershire#Transport_-_Railway_stations"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_goat_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_goat_for_you!-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z"><span id="A_goat_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_goat_for_you!-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z"></span>A goat for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_goat_for_you!-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispering-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-A_goat_for_you!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Boer_Goat_(8742860752).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Boer_Goat_%288742860752%29.jpg/150px-Boer_Goat_%288742860752%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="128" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Boer_Goat_%288742860752%29.jpg/225px-Boer_Goat_%288742860752%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Boer_Goat_%288742860752%29.jpg/300px-Boer_Goat_%288742860752%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3260" data-file-height="2785" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Thank you for the numbered lists tutorial. </p><p><b><a href="/wiki/User:Whispering" title="User:Whispering"><span style="color:#3399FF;">Whispe</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispering" title="User talk:Whispering"><span style="color:#DEB887;">ring</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispering-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-A_goat_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispering-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-A_goat_for_you!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispering-2017-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-A_goat_for_you!"></span> <br style="clear: both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway" data-mw-thread-id="h-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z"></span>Birmingham and Bristol Railway<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway"></span>Could I ask for your advice about what to do in this article? <a href="/wiki/Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway" title="Birmingham and Bristol Railway">Birmingham and Bristol Railway</a> </p><p>In my view there was no such railway (except in the sense that there is and was a railway between Birmingham and Bristol). I thought that the article ought to be deleted and I put the necessary marker on the page, and explained my reasons briefly on the talk page. I also left a message on the talk page of the originator of the article. </p><p>That person has simply deleted the flag inviting comments about the deletion without any explanation. </p><p>It doesn't matter whether my view about the deletion is correct or not; my concern is only that the Wiki procedure had been disregarded. Of course I could just revert the other person's deletion, but that would just descend into an edit war, which I don't want to do. </p><p>With your greater experience of <i>process</i> issues than mine, I wondered if you could advise me what the way forward might be? Any guidance will be gratefully received. <a href="/wiki/User:Afterbrunel" title="User:Afterbrunel">Afterbrunel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Afterbrunel" title="User talk:Afterbrunel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 4 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z-Birmingham_and_Bristol_Railway"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> It did exist, but only as a legal fiction for a brief period during the collapse of the railway bubble, as the holding company through which the lines between Bristol and Birmingham were subsumed into the Midland Railway. (Think an early-Victorian version of <a href="/wiki/Directly_Operated_Railways" title="Directly Operated Railways">Directly Operated Railways</a>, albeit over a much shorter timescale.) I very much doubt there's enough to say about it to sustain an entire article. ‑ <a href="/wiki/User:Iridescent" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Iridescent">Iridescent</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 4 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-04T19:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z"></span>As I made clear, I was hoping for some advice on the <i>process</i>, irrespective of whether my opinion is right or wrong.</dd> <dd>Fwiw I don't believe any Company of this name was ever formed, and in any case the generic name for any informal association was Bristol and Brum, not Brum and Bristol.</dd> <dd>In addition there may or may not be enough in it (even if it existed, which I don't believe), but that isn't the issue. RedRose, can you help please? <a href="/wiki/User:Afterbrunel" title="User:Afterbrunel">Afterbrunel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Afterbrunel" title="User talk:Afterbrunel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-09-04T20:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T19:58:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z"></span>Iridescent mentioned "the collapse of the railway bubble" for which the most relevant work is probably <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222" /><cite id="CITEREFLewin1968" class="citation book cs1">Lewin, Henry Grote (1968) [1936]. <i>The Railway Mania and its Aftermath</i>. Newton Abbot: <a href="/wiki/David_%26_Charles" title="David & Charles">David & Charles</a>. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-7153-4262-2" title="Special:BookSources/0-7153-4262-2"><bdi>0-7153-4262-2</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=The+Railway+Mania+and+its+Aftermath&rft.place=Newton+Abbot&rft.pub=David+%26+Charles&rft.date=1968&rft.isbn=0-7153-4262-2&rft.aulast=Lewin&rft.aufirst=Henry+Grote&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ARedrose64%2Funclassified+19" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Invalid <code class="cs1-code">|ref=harv</code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#invalid_param_val" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span></li></ul></dd> <dd>in the Companies' Index of which we find the entry <dl><dd>Birmingham & Bristol<sup>80</sup> 76, 83, 97, 266</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Note <sup>80</sup> says <q>This was not an incorporated company (see page 83 and note 9).</q></dd> <dd>Note <sup>9</sup> says <q>This was not strictly an amalgamation since the companies remained independent except that they were worked as one under a common board of management (see page 76). There was no Birmingham & Bristol <i>Company</i>.</q></dd> <dd>Page 76 says <q>the two Companies did consult together, and arranged that their traffic should be worked under one management as from January 1st, 1845, pending an amalgamation</q> also <q>Mr John Ellis, Deputy Chairman of the Midland Railway ... offered the two Companies a perpetual least ... with an option to purchase, on behalf of his Company. This offer was accepted by the provisional Birmingham & Bristol directors and confirmed by his own Board, so that, as from May 7th, the Midland took possession, pending the introduction of a confirmatory Bill in Parliament. It ... was duly passed in 1846.</q></dd> <dd>Page 83 is a table, one row of which is:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Effective From</th> <th>Company</th> <th>Form</th> <th>Date Sanctioned</th> <th>Company </th></tr> <tr> <td>Jan. 1845</td> <td>Birmingham & Gloucester<br />Bristol & Gloucester</td> <td>Amalg. as</td> <td>1846</td> <td>Birmingham & Bristol<sup>9</sup> </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>So, this is something along the lines of the <a href="/wiki/South_Eastern_and_Chatham_Railway" title="South Eastern and Chatham Railway">South Eastern and Chatham Railway</a> 54 years later. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T19:58:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T19:58:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T19:58:00.000Z-Afterbrunel-2017-09-05T15:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP_IDHT" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP_IDHT-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP_IDHT-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z"></span>WP IDHT<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP_IDHT-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z-WP_IDHT"></span>G'day Redrose64 </p><p>I'm afraid I believe <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines&diff=799129870&oldid=799080291">this edit</a> to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive">disruptive</a>, unintentionally I hope. </p><p>You accuse me of violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">wp:IDHT</a>, a behavioural guideline. This is fair enough if you believe it to be true, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines">wt:Talk page guidelines</a> is not the appropriate place to do it. </p><p>It's not the first time, but by far the worst, as you have repeated the allegation in the edit summary. Again, this is not the place for it. </p><p>If you wish to question my behaviour, there are channels for this. Please use them, and desist from these inappropriate posts. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z-WP_IDHT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 5 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z-WP_IDHT"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z-WP_IDHT"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines&diff=prev&oldid=798990740"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z"></span>This post</a></span> is a case in point. You are taking my words and twisting them into something that I simply DID NOT SAY. I am FED UP of having to explain, over and over again, the same points. Others are also having to repeat themselves. All because you apparently fail to understand; take in; or simply <i>read</i>, the points that we are making. You are clearly provoking us, deliberately. You are being disruptive. End of. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 5 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T21:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z"></span>I do not think that post of mine was disruptive, but that is not the point.</dd> <dd>The point is, your raising these behavioural issues on that talk page is itself disruptive whether or not they are justified. Please desist. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 5 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z"></span>Desist yourself. STOP pretending that you don't see <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines&diff=prev&oldid=798085966">this</a></span> as disruptive, or at the very least, open to misunderstanding. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 5 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z-Andrewa-2017-09-05T22:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrewa-2017-09-06T03:04:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z"></span>What exactly do you wish me to stop doing? I am <i>pretending</i> nothing.</dd> <dd>As I have said previously, I did deliberately provide the edit you cite as an example of what is meant by <i>interleaving</i> and to ask whether anyone really had trouble with it, and it seems to have answered that question well. I have apologised if anyone was offended by it. In that context, I believe it was a legitimate and helpful edit. What was the alternative? Another editor has said <i>An artificial example could prove anything.</i> This is a concrete example, and has clarified the issues a great deal IMO. It's about as simple and harmless an example of interleaving as I can imagine, and yet it has confused screenreaders and irritated and confused people. That is important information.</dd> <dd>So I'm certainly now aware that the edit is <i>open to misunderstanding</i>. And testing that was exactly the point in making it.</dd> <dd>But again, that is not the issue here. Behavioural issues should not be raised on project talk pages, let alone in their edit summaries. That is the issue. Please desist. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Andrewa-2017-09-06T03:04:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 6 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrewa-2017-09-06T03:04:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrewa-2017-09-06T03:04:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-05T22:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?" data-mw-thread-id="h-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z"><span id="An_issue_with_a_template_notice.2C_maybe.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span>An issue with a template notice, maybe?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?"></span>Hi RR - I think there may be an issue with a template notice at <a href="/wiki/AHA_Foundation" title="AHA Foundation">AHA Foundation</a> and I don't know how to fix it. The merge discussion notice for the infobox reaches into the lead paragraph. Will you take a look at it when you have time? Thanks bunches...<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 7 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z-An_issue_with_a_template_notice,_maybe?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme">Atsme</a>:</span> It seems to, but actually it doesn't. The horizontal line below the word "merging" is the bottom edge of a floated box; if you imagine a vertical line beginning at the left-hand end of that horizontal line and going upwards, essentially the (non-existent) left border of the same floated box, this imaginary line doesn't cut through any text - the lead section text is all to its left. This is what happens when you have two right-aligned floated boxes that are different widths. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-09-08T10:36:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z"></span>Ok, thx. When viewing it on my iPad using Safari, it appears as you described. On my 15" laptop using Firefox, it appears to the left of the infobox and imposes on the first line of the justified paragraph. Perhaps it's a browser/screen width issue. At least it's not a permanent issue, so not a biggy. Thanks again. <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-09-08T10:36:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-09-08T10:36:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-09-08T10:36:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-07T18:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:PREVIEW_callouts" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:PREVIEW_callouts-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:PREVIEW_callouts-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z"></span>WP:PREVIEW callouts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:PREVIEW_callouts-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Antifa:_The_Anti-Fascist_Handbook&curid=55155445&diff=799466478&oldid=799189360"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z-WP:PREVIEW_callouts"></span>[3]</a> Only used what <a href="/wiki/User:Kephir/gadgets/rater" title="User:Kephir/gadgets/rater">the tool</a> suggested (the edit was marked as "assisted")—would have been easier to have just fixed the template <span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Czar" title="User talk:Czar"><span style="font:bold small-caps 1.2em Avenir;color:#B048B5">czar</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z-WP:PREVIEW_callouts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z-WP:PREVIEW_callouts"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z-WP:PREVIEW_callouts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Czar" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Czar">Czar</a>:</span> I <i>did</i> fix the template. But tool or not, you are responsible for every edit that you make. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z-Czar-2017-09-08T02:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Czar-2017-09-08T21:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z"></span>I meant <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kephir/gadgets/rater/projects.js&diff=prev&oldid=799498086">this</a>, and I generally am <span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Czar" title="User talk:Czar"><span style="font:bold small-caps 1.2em Avenir;color:#B048B5">czar</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Czar-2017-09-08T21:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Czar-2017-09-08T21:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Czar-2017-09-08T21:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-08T19:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal_print_size." data-mw-thread-id="h-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z"></span>Inability to print out hard copies of Wikipedia RDT line templates in the normal print size.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal"></span>We have just returned from a two week holiday in Cornwall and I wished to make hard copy prints of both the West Coastway Main Line RDT line template and the South Western Main Line RDT line template as both of these have had a closed station added to them. However, as was the case quite some time ago, I am unable to make such hard copy print out in the normal print size, but only in a much smaller font size of type </p><p>I understand that the last time this occurred, someone had done something to prevent this happening and after I highlighted the matter, matters were put right, so I beg your assistance in this matter. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User:Xenophon Philosopher">Xenophon Philosopher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xenophon_Philosopher" title="User talk:Xenophon Philosopher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xenophon_Philosopher-2017-09-10T04:38:00.000Z-Inability_to_print_out_hard_copies_of_Wikipedia_RDT_line_templates_in_the_normal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z"><span id="Your_intervention_on_.27State_Atheism.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z"></span>Your intervention on 'State Atheism'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"></span>Hello - thanks for your intervention, but the RfC was about a simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POLICY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POLICY">WP:POLICY</a> transgression, as the article does that (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEOLOGISM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEOLOGISM">WP:NEOLOGISM</a>) without even considering the content; inviting a content-debate will only distract from (and, predictably, drown) that, and one can easily conclude that that was the intended goal (of adding the categories/'extra' RfC).<br /> If I have misunderstood something about RfC policy-ing (by your comment it would seem that you think that I intend to change Wikipedia policy itself), please let me know a better place/way of inviting attention/advice about articles that fall short of Wikipedia policy, as, according to recent experience and the page's history, any attempt to make the article conform to Wikipedia policy will most most likely be reverted (edit-warred) - that is the very reason I opened the RfC. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Futura, Helvetica, _sans;font-size:85%;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #111111;"><a href="/wiki/User:ThePromenader" title="User:ThePromenader"><span style="color:#ddd;">THE<span style="color:#fff;">PROMENADER</span></span></a> <span style="color:#fff;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThePromenader" title="User talk:ThePromenader">✎</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ThePromenader" title="Special:Contributions/ThePromenader">✓</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-ThePromenader-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-09T23:27:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"></span><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"></span> PS: You also added a 'society sports and culture' category that has nothing at all to do with even the article content (why not 'history'?) - now the RfC is about everything <i>but</i> its original topic. <span style="font-family:Futura, Helvetica, _sans;font-size:85%;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #111111;"><a href="/wiki/User:ThePromenader" title="User:ThePromenader"><span style="color:#ddd;">THE<span style="color:#fff;">PROMENADER</span></span></a> <span style="color:#fff;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThePromenader" title="User talk:ThePromenader">✎</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ThePromenader" title="Special:Contributions/ThePromenader">✓</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z-Your_intervention_on_'State_Atheism'"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ThePromenader" title="User:ThePromenader">ThePromenader</a>:</span> The <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|policy</code> parameter - which puts the RfC into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines</a> - is not for discussions where the application of policy to an article is in dispute, but for discussions about changing the policy itself. For disputes concerning <i>article</i> content, the following are available: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies">Biographies</a> (bio)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Economy,_trade,_and_companies" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Economy, trade, and companies">Economy, trade, and companies</a> (econ)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/History_and_geography" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography">History and geography</a> (hist)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Language_and_linguistics" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Language and linguistics">Language and linguistics</a> (lang)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Maths,_science,_and_technology" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Maths, science, and technology">Maths, science, and technology</a> (sci)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Media,_the_arts,_and_architecture" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Media, the arts, and architecture">Media, the arts, and architecture</a> (media)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Politics,_government,_and_law" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law">Politics, government, and law</a> (pol)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Religion_and_philosophy" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Religion and philosophy">Religion and philosophy</a> (reli)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Society,_sports,_and_culture" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Society, sports, and culture">Society, sports, and culture</a> (soc)</li></ul></dd> <dd>see also the table at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC#Categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC#Categories</a>. Clearly "Politics, government, and law" (which covers the state) and "Religion and philosophy" (which covers atheism) are directly relevant here; I included "Society, sports, and culture" because the way that people behave is also relevant: as shown at the top of our article on <a href="/wiki/Society" title="Society">Society</a>, <q>a large <a href="/wiki/Social_group" title="Social group">social group</a> sharing the same geographical or social territory, typically subject to the same political authority and dominant cultural expectations</q>. The fact that the rfc category covers sports as well had no bearing on my choice - I am not implying that it is a sports matter in any way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T00:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T08:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z"></span>Actually, adding the extra categories isn't harmful at all, as it brings more eyes to the question, but through focusing on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POLICY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POLICY">WP:POLICY</a> angle, I wanted to a) avoid needlessly 'blasting' thousands of contributors (as mentioned in the RfC guidelines) and b) keep the discussion to that one point; having more input from everywhere makes it a 'content', not a policy, issue... the road to making a decision on the RfC point of contention (that remains) will be a much longer one, that's all.</dd> <dd>I misunderstood that RfC 'policy' issues are about the policies themselves, and I'm sorry about that, and I was in no way implying any underlying motive in your action; I just didn't understand your addition (and not another). And since we're already there, I may as well add 'history' to the RfC as well, because that is what the article is rooted in (and its title's absence from historical consensus and reliable references). Thanks, and cheers.<span style="font-family:Futura, Helvetica, _sans;font-size:85%;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #111111;"><a href="/wiki/User:ThePromenader" title="User:ThePromenader"><span style="color:#ddd;">THE<span style="color:#fff;">PROMENADER</span></span></a> <span style="color:#fff;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThePromenader" title="User talk:ThePromenader">✎</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ThePromenader" title="Special:Contributions/ThePromenader">✓</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T08:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T08:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThePromenader-2017-09-10T08:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-10T08:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg/100px-Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="103" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg/150px-Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg/200px-Real_Life_Barnstar.jpg 2x" data-file-width="960" data-file-height="990" /></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Real Life Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Nice to meet you Redrose64, look forward to doing it again. — <a href="/wiki/User:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"><span style="color:maroon"><b>fortuna</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"><span style="color:navy"><i><b>velut luna</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 11 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-11T17:49:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-11T17:49:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 11 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-11T17:49:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-11T17:49:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-09-11T11:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Line_#s_in_edit_summaries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z"><span id="Line_.23s_in_edit_summaries"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z"></span>Line #s in edit summaries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries"></span>Hi, RR - I was wondering if maybe you know the purpose of the line numbers when reviewing a diff? It would certainly be helpful if line numbers showed up in the margin of the text so we could scroll down to that line # in the preview but I'm not seeing where that's possible. Do you know what purpose the line # serves or how we can find it in the text? <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 14 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z-Line_#s_in_edit_summaries"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-14T22:02:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z"></span>I think that the line numbers do show when using certain editors, but not with the default wikitext editor. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-14T22:02:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 14 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-14T22:02:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-14T22:02:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-09-14T12:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stephenson's_link_valve_gear" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z"><span id="Stephenson.27s_link_valve_gear"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Stephenson's link valve gear<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear"></span>Hi, The image of Stephenson link valve gear is about to be deleted on <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Stephenson_link_valve_gear.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Stephenson link valve gear.jpg">Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Stephenson_link_valve_gear.jpg</a>. It looks out of copyright to me and I think the request should be now removed. What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:Aspro" title="User:Aspro">Aspro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aspro" title="User talk:Aspro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z-Stephenson's_link_valve_gear"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-16T20:03:00.000Z-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span>I'm not a copyright expert, nor am I an expert on French law. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-16T20:03:00.000Z-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-16T20:03:00.000Z-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-16T20:03:00.000Z-Aspro-2017-09-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="isle_of_wight_line_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-isle_of_wight_line_page-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-isle_of_wight_line_page-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z"></span>isle of wight line page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-isle_of_wight_line_page-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z-isle_of_wight_line_page"></span>Thanks for cleaning up the changes I made to this page, I've never made an update before so have no real clue on the process. One thing how do you deal with the issue caused by needing a web-based citation if the only information is from dynamic web pages. I do not think the rail network publishes a book/pdf of all ticket prices any longer. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.9.243.17" title="Special:Contributions/84.9.243.17">84.9.243.17</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.9.243.17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.9.243.17 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z-isle_of_wight_line_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 17 September 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z-isle_of_wight_line_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z-isle_of_wight_line_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z"></span>You shouldn't be using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">primary sources</a>, particularly not one that is directly connected to the subject organisation. Instead, use an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3PARTY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3PARTY">independent source</a> (preferably one that is considered a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a>), such as one of the magazines devoted to the rail industry - <i><a href="/wiki/Modern_Railways" title="Modern Railways">Modern Railways</a></i>; <i><a href="/wiki/Rail_(magazine)" title="Rail (magazine)">Rail</a></i>; <i><a href="/wiki/The_Railway_Magazine" title="The Railway Magazine">The Railway Magazine</a></i>; or <i><a href="/wiki/Today%27s_Railways" class="mw-disambig" title="Today's Railways">Today's Railways</a></i>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T15:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the reply, I've no interest in the wider issues of the rail network and so don't know the sources you have detailed. I know the services in question and costs as I myself make use of the low cost season tickets. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.9.243.17" title="Special:Contributions/84.9.243.17">84.9.243.17</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.9.243.17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.9.243.17 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-17T21:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z"></span>I'm afraid that personal knowledge does not satisfy the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">policy on verifiability</a> and normally also goes against the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">policy on original research</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 18 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z-84.9.243.17-2017-09-17T23:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-18T21:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z"></span>It's a fair policy, so I have no problem with it, it just means the page will have the citation flag for some time. Having the information there will at least allow those people with an interest/need to go and do their own research via the dynamic ticket websites. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.9.243.17" title="Special:Contributions/84.9.243.17">84.9.243.17</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.9.243.17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.9.243.17 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-18T21:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 18 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-18T21:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.9.243.17-2017-09-18T21:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-18T07:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z"><span id="Edit_23:34.2C_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z"></span>Edit 23:34, 5th September on London Waterloo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo"></span>Would you be kind enough to explain what was wrong with the list mark up that you changed in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=London_Waterloo_station&diff=prev&oldid=799152300">this edit</a></span>. I ask, because the change you've made seems to alter what the list is supposed to actually present. I'm referring specifically to the change made to services via Twickenham on the Windsor lines.<a href="/wiki/User:Sjoh123" title="User:Sjoh123">Sjoh123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjoh123" title="User talk:Sjoh123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z-Edit_23:34,_5th_September_on_London_Waterloo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-20T19:02:00.000Z-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sjoh123" title="User:Sjoh123">Sjoh123</a>:</span> I altered this: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-moin mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span>* 12 tph <span class="c">''</span>via<span class="c">''</span> Barnes (Windsor Lines) :* 2 tph to {{rws|Reading}} via {{rws|Ascot}}{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 2 : Reading and Ascot to London Waterloo}} :* 2 tph to {{rws|Windsor & Eton Riverside}}{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 4 : Windsor and Feltham to London Waterloo}} :* 4 tph to {{rws|Twickenham}}, of which <span class="c">::</span>* 2 tph via {{rws|Hounslow}} back to Waterloo{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 7 : Hounslow Loop to Waterloo}}, and <span class="c">::</span>* 2 tph via {{rws|Teddington}} back to Waterloo{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 1 : Kingston Loop and Shepperton to London Waterloo}} (the reverse of the loop detailed above in Local) :* 4tph to {{rws|Hounslow}} via {{rws|Brentford}}, of which <span class="c">::</span>* 2 tph to {{rws|Weybridge}} via {{rws|Egham}}{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 16 : Weybridge (via Staines) to London Waterloo}} <span class="c">::</span>* 2 tph via {{rws|Twickenham}} back to Waterloo{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 7 : Hounslow Loop to Waterloo}} (The reverse of the loop detailed above) </pre></div> to this: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-moin mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span>* 12 tph <span class="c">''</span>via<span class="c">''</span> Barnes (Windsor Lines) ** 2 tph to {{rws|Reading}} via {{rws|Ascot}}{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 2 : Reading and Ascot to London Waterloo}} ** 2 tph to {{rws|Windsor & Eton Riverside}}{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 4 : Windsor and Feltham to London Waterloo}} ** 4 tph to {{rws|Twickenham}}, of which *** 2 tph via {{rws|Hounslow}} back to Waterloo{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 7 : Hounslow Loop to Waterloo}}, and **** 2 tph via {{rws|Teddington}} back to Waterloo{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 1 : Kingston Loop and Shepperton to London Waterloo}} (the reverse of the loop detailed above in Local) ** 4tph to {{rws|Hounslow}} via {{rws|Brentford}}, of which *** 2 tph to {{rws|Weybridge}} via {{rws|Egham}}{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 16 : Weybridge (via Staines) to London Waterloo}} *** 2 tph via {{rws|Twickenham}} back to Waterloo{{sfn|SWR|loc=Table 7 : Hounslow Loop to Waterloo}} (The reverse of the loop detailed above) </pre></div> Before my edit, there were two separate lists: one bulleted list with a single entry, followed by one association list, also with a single entry. Within the latter, there were <i>four</i> separate lists: one bulleted list with three entries; one association list with a single entry containing a two-entry bulleted list; one bulleted list with a single entry; and one association list with a single entry containing a two-entry bulleted list. After my edit, there are far fewer lists, there is one consistent structure, and it is far better for those who use screen reader software. When nesting lists, it is permissible to nest different types of list; but they <i>must</i> be nested from the outside inwards. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-20T19:02:00.000Z-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-20T19:02:00.000Z-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-20T19:02:00.000Z-Sjoh123-2017-09-20T10:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Angel_tube_station" data-mw-thread-id="h-Angel_tube_station-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Angel_tube_station-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Angel_tube_station" title="Angel tube station">Angel tube station</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Angel_tube_station-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z-Angel_tube_station"></span>I'm confused by your comment for your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_tube_station&type=revision&diff=801863785&oldid=801859532">edit</a> of Angel Tube Station. You removed a reference (which was not inserted by me, so can't be my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a>) stating that it doesn't mention Angel; but neither does that for Prague metro. (1) Should that have been removed as well? (2) Does this also mean that the article really shouldn't mention its ranking for escalator length at all unless a definitive reference gives that information? (3) Would the same apply to the information at <a href="/wiki/Escalator" title="Escalator">Escalator</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Bazza_7" title="User:Bazza 7">Bazza</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazza_7" title="User talk:Bazza 7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z-Angel_tube_station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 22 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z-Angel_tube_station"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z-Angel_tube_station"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z"></span>I didn't look at pre-existing refs (which I took in good faith), only at the one that was added by <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A00:1028:96CD:37E2:F8F3:C580:6CE:7F37" title="Special:Contributions/2A00:1028:96CD:37E2:F8F3:C580:6CE:7F37">2A00:1028:96CD:37E2:F8F3:C580:6CE:7F37</a></span> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A00:1028:96CD:37E2:F8F3:C580:6CE:7F37&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A00:1028:96CD:37E2:F8F3:C580:6CE:7F37 (page does not exist)">talk</a>)</span> in <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_tube_station&diff=prev&oldid=801856437">this edit</a></span>. This ref does not mention Angel - nor is there any sort of ranked list that I can see - so I can only conclude that the IP user is deciding that since the one at Helsinki Airport is apparently longer than the one at Angel, it will necessarily push Angel down one place from fourth-longest to fifth. This is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTH">WP:SYNTH</a>, which is a particular kind of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a>. The rule is: do not draw your own conclusions, but describe the conclusions that others have already published. So what we need is a reliable source directly concerning Angel and stating that its escalators are fifth-longest; alternatively a reliable source which gives a ranked list of stations by escalator length, one of which must be Angel. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z-Bazza_7-2017-09-22T14:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazza_7-2017-09-24T16:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the explanation. I've added a reference for Heathrow (T2 it seems, not T5) and removed the my-escalator's-bigger-than-yours unreferenced fact about Western Europe. <a href="/wiki/Escalator" title="Escalator">Escalator</a> seems to have the same problem, but it's not really a pet subject of mine, just edited in passing. <a href="/wiki/User:Bazza_7" title="User:Bazza 7">Bazza</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazza_7" title="User talk:Bazza 7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Bazza_7-2017-09-24T16:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 24 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazza_7-2017-09-24T16:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazza_7-2017-09-24T16:20:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-22T20:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IkbenFrank" data-mw-thread-id="h-IkbenFrank-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IkbenFrank-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z"></span>IkbenFrank<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IkbenFrank-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z-IkbenFrank"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Communication_problems_with_IkbenFrank" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Communication problems with IkbenFrank</a>. (I notice you've run into this editor too). <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Ritchie333-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z-IkbenFrank" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z-IkbenFrank"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2017-09-25T10:44:00.000Z-IkbenFrank"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Nonconstructive edits by unregistered account<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account"></span>Hi there. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:81.98.46.211" title="User talk:81.98.46.211">This user</a> has been making nonconstructive edits to the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arriva_Trains_Wales&action=history">Arriva Trains Wales</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_(train_operating_company)&action=history">Northern</a> fleetlist tables and it's getting tiresome undoing it all (twice today). I appreciate that they want to contribute but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.98.46.211">all they're doing</a> is making the fleet tables on various TOC pages look untidy. Hope you can help - <a href="/wiki/User:Coradia175" title="User:Coradia175">Coradia175</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coradia175" title="User talk:Coradia175">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z-Nonconstructive_edits_by_unregistered_account"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span>I think that what they're trying to do is make the table narrower, in order to fit whatever screen they're using. However, they do not know how wide everybody else's screen is. The worst of it is that they shorten links with the result that the link is either broken, or ends up pointing to a dab page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z"></span>He was repeatedly linking to <a href="/wiki/DVT" class="mw-redirect" title="DVT">DVT</a>, which redirects to <a href="/wiki/Deep_vein_thrombosis" title="Deep vein thrombosis">deep vein thrombosis</a>, instead of <a href="/wiki/Driving_van_trailer" class="mw-redirect" title="Driving van trailer">driving van trailer</a>. He is also repeatedly violating <a href="/wiki/MOS:DATERANGE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DATERANGE">MOS:DATERANGE</a>, but any warning on his user talk page is immediately deleted and ignored. Abbreviations such as "MK3" for Mark 3 are not in accordance with common usage; "Mk3" might be acceptable. In many other respects his changes are contrary to the format which has been established by consensus. Various editors have reverted some of his changes, but he edit-wars them back in again. He has made no attempt to explain his changes either in edit summaries or on article talk pages. --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Biddulph" title="User:David Biddulph">David Biddulph</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Biddulph" title="User talk:David Biddulph">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T18:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/DVT" class="mw-redirect" title="DVT"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z"></span>DVT</a> is an example of "they shorten links with the result that the link is ... broken". --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2017-09-25T19:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:27:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z"></span>The person concerned uses a static IP address, so could be blocked; but if we do that, they'll get a new one. They've done that before, for instance <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.1.134.116" title="Special:Contributions/80.1.134.116">80.1.134.116</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:80.1.134.116" title="User talk:80.1.134.116">talk</a>)</span> is an old one of theirs. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:27:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:27:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:27:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T19:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Could we possibly protect the pages they are editing so only registered users can edit them? And I apologise for using the obsolete markers by the way - I'll keep that in mind for my future edits :-) - <a href="/wiki/User:Coradia175" title="User:Coradia175">Coradia175</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coradia175" title="User talk:Coradia175">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z"></span>With their current IP address, they have edited all of the following: <ul><li><span id="Abellio_ScotRail"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Abellio_ScotRail" title="Abellio ScotRail">Abellio ScotRail</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Abellio_ScotRail" title="Special:EditPage/Abellio ScotRail">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Abellio_ScotRail" title="Talk:Abellio ScotRail">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Abellio_ScotRail" title="Special:PageHistory/Abellio ScotRail">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Abellio_ScotRail" title="Special:ProtectPage/Abellio ScotRail">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Abellio_ScotRail" title="Special:DeletePage/Abellio ScotRail">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Abellio_ScotRail&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abellio_ScotRail&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Abellio+ScotRail">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Abellio_ScotRail&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Arriva_Trains_Wales"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Arriva_Trains_Wales" title="Arriva Trains Wales">Arriva Trains Wales</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Arriva_Trains_Wales" title="Special:EditPage/Arriva Trains Wales">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Arriva_Trains_Wales" title="Talk:Arriva Trains Wales">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Arriva_Trains_Wales" title="Special:PageHistory/Arriva Trains Wales">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Arriva_Trains_Wales" title="Special:ProtectPage/Arriva Trains Wales">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Arriva_Trains_Wales" title="Special:DeletePage/Arriva Trains Wales">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Arriva_Trains_Wales&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arriva_Trains_Wales&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Arriva+Trains+Wales">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Arriva_Trains_Wales&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_150"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_150" title="British Rail Class 150">British Rail Class 150</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_150" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 150">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_150" title="Talk:British Rail Class 150">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_150" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 150">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_150" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 150">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_150" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 150">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_150&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_150&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+150">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_150&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_153"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_153" title="British Rail Class 153">British Rail Class 153</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_153" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 153">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_153" title="Talk:British Rail Class 153">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_153" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 153">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_153" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 153">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_153" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 153">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_153&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_153&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+153">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_153&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_185"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_185" title="British Rail Class 185">British Rail Class 185</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_185" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 185">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_185" title="Talk:British Rail Class 185">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_185" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 185">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_185" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 185">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_185" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 185">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_185&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_185&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+185">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_185&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_222"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_222" title="British Rail Class 222">British Rail Class 222</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_222" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 222">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_222" title="Talk:British Rail Class 222">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_222" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 222">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_222" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 222">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_222" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 222">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_222&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_222&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+222">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_222&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_332"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_332" title="British Rail Class 332">British Rail Class 332</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_332" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 332">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_332" title="Talk:British Rail Class 332">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_332" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 332">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_332" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 332">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_332" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 332">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_332&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_332&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+332">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_332&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_350"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_350" title="British Rail Class 350">British Rail Class 350</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_350" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 350">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_350" title="Talk:British Rail Class 350">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_350" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 350">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_350" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 350">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_350" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 350">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_350&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_350&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+350">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_350&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="British_Rail_Class_68"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/British_Rail_Class_68" title="British Rail Class 68">British Rail Class 68</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/British_Rail_Class_68" title="Special:EditPage/British Rail Class 68">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:British_Rail_Class_68" title="Talk:British Rail Class 68">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/British_Rail_Class_68" title="Special:PageHistory/British Rail Class 68">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/British_Rail_Class_68" title="Special:ProtectPage/British Rail Class 68">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/British_Rail_Class_68" title="Special:DeletePage/British Rail Class 68">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/British_Rail_Class_68&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_68&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=British+Rail+Class+68">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=British_Rail_Class_68&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="C2c"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/C2c" title="C2c">C2c</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/C2c" title="Special:EditPage/C2c">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:C2c" title="Talk:C2c">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/C2c" title="Special:PageHistory/C2c">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/C2c" title="Special:ProtectPage/C2c">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/C2c" title="Special:DeletePage/C2c">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/C2c&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C2c&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=C2c">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=C2c&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Caledonian_Sleeper"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Caledonian_Sleeper" title="Caledonian Sleeper">Caledonian Sleeper</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Caledonian_Sleeper" title="Special:EditPage/Caledonian Sleeper">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Caledonian_Sleeper" title="Talk:Caledonian Sleeper">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Caledonian_Sleeper" title="Special:PageHistory/Caledonian Sleeper">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Caledonian_Sleeper" title="Special:ProtectPage/Caledonian Sleeper">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Caledonian_Sleeper" title="Special:DeletePage/Caledonian Sleeper">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Caledonian_Sleeper&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caledonian_Sleeper&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Caledonian+Sleeper">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Caledonian_Sleeper&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Chiltern_Railways"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Chiltern_Railways" title="Chiltern Railways">Chiltern Railways</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Chiltern_Railways" title="Special:EditPage/Chiltern Railways">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Chiltern_Railways" title="Talk:Chiltern Railways">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Chiltern_Railways" title="Special:PageHistory/Chiltern Railways">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Chiltern_Railways" title="Special:ProtectPage/Chiltern Railways">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Chiltern_Railways" title="Special:DeletePage/Chiltern Railways">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Chiltern_Railways&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chiltern_Railways&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Chiltern+Railways">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Chiltern_Railways&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Colas_Rail"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Colas_Rail" title="Colas Rail">Colas Rail</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Colas_Rail" title="Special:EditPage/Colas Rail">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Colas_Rail" title="Talk:Colas Rail">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Colas_Rail" title="Special:PageHistory/Colas Rail">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Colas_Rail" title="Special:ProtectPage/Colas Rail">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Colas_Rail" title="Special:DeletePage/Colas Rail">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Colas_Rail&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colas_Rail&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Colas+Rail">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Colas_Rail&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Craigentinny_TMD"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Craigentinny_TMD" class="mw-redirect" title="Craigentinny TMD">Craigentinny TMD</a> (<a 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=South+Western+Railway+%28train+operating+company%29">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=South_Western_Railway_(train_operating_company)&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Southeastern_(train_operating_company)"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Southeastern_(train_operating_company)" title="Southeastern (train operating company)">Southeastern (train operating company)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Southeastern_(train_operating_company)" title="Special:EditPage/Southeastern (train operating company)">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Southeastern_(train_operating_company)" title="Talk:Southeastern (train operating company)">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Southeastern_(train_operating_company)" title="Special:PageHistory/Southeastern (train operating company)">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Southeastern_(train_operating_company)" title="Special:ProtectPage/Southeastern (train operating company)">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Southeastern_(train_operating_company)" title="Special:DeletePage/Southeastern (train operating company)">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Southeastern_(train_operating_company)&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southeastern_(train_operating_company)&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Southeastern+%28train+operating+company%29">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Southeastern_(train_operating_company)&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Thameslink_and_Great_Northern"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Thameslink_and_Great_Northern" class="mw-redirect" title="Thameslink and Great Northern">Thameslink and Great Northern</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Thameslink_and_Great_Northern" title="Special:EditPage/Thameslink and Great Northern">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Thameslink_and_Great_Northern" title="Talk:Thameslink and Great Northern">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Thameslink_and_Great_Northern" title="Special:PageHistory/Thameslink and Great Northern">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Thameslink_and_Great_Northern" title="Special:ProtectPage/Thameslink and Great Northern">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Thameslink_and_Great_Northern" title="Special:DeletePage/Thameslink and Great Northern">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Thameslink_and_Great_Northern&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thameslink_and_Great_Northern&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Thameslink+and+Great+Northern">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Thameslink_and_Great_Northern&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="TransPennine_Express"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/TransPennine_Express" title="TransPennine Express">TransPennine Express</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/TransPennine_Express" title="Special:EditPage/TransPennine Express">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:TransPennine_Express" title="Talk:TransPennine Express">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/TransPennine_Express" title="Special:PageHistory/TransPennine Express">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/TransPennine_Express" title="Special:ProtectPage/TransPennine Express">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/TransPennine_Express" title="Special:DeletePage/TransPennine Express">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/TransPennine_Express&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TransPennine_Express&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=TransPennine+Express">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=TransPennine_Express&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Virgin_Trains"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Virgin_Trains" title="Virgin Trains">Virgin Trains</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Virgin_Trains" title="Special:EditPage/Virgin Trains">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Virgin_Trains" title="Talk:Virgin Trains">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Virgin_Trains" title="Special:PageHistory/Virgin Trains">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Virgin_Trains" title="Special:ProtectPage/Virgin Trains">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Virgin_Trains" title="Special:DeletePage/Virgin Trains">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Virgin_Trains&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Trains&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Virgin+Trains">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Virgin_Trains&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li> <li><span id="Virgin_Trains_East_Coast"></span><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Virgin_Trains_East_Coast" title="Virgin Trains East Coast">Virgin Trains East Coast</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Virgin_Trains_East_Coast" title="Special:EditPage/Virgin Trains East Coast">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Talk:Virgin_Trains_East_Coast" title="Talk:Virgin Trains East Coast">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Virgin_Trains_East_Coast" title="Special:PageHistory/Virgin Trains East Coast">history</a><span class="sysop-show"> | <a href="/wiki/Special:ProtectPage/Virgin_Trains_East_Coast" title="Special:ProtectPage/Virgin Trains East Coast">protect</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletePage/Virgin_Trains_East_Coast" title="Special:DeletePage/Virgin Trains East Coast">delete</a></span> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Virgin_Trains_East_Coast&limit=999">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Trains_East_Coast&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Virgin+Trains+East+Coast">logs</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=Virgin_Trains_East_Coast&project=en.wikipedia.org">views</a>)</span></li></ul></dd> <dd>I don't think that I am justified in semi-protecting all of those. The admins at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">WP:RFPP</a> might consider protecting on a case by case basis. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z-Coradia175-2017-09-25T20:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T21:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z"></span>I guess we can see how things go and go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">WP:RFPP</a> if it continues to be an issue - <a href="/wiki/User:Coradia175" title="User:Coradia175">Coradia175</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coradia175" title="User talk:Coradia175">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T21:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 25 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T21:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coradia175-2017-09-25T21:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-25T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Diffuse_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diffuse_category-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diffuse_category-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z"></span>Diffuse category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diffuse_category-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Will_Parry_(His_Dark_Materials)&oldid=802774927"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z-Diffuse_category"></span>I'm afraid I don't understand this</a>, I'm not offended, but puzzled even after looking at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DIFUSE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:DIFUSE (page does not exist)">WP:DIFUSE</a>, would it be that the category is so 'bloated' and ill-defined as to be valueless? If that is the case, having looked at <a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_English_people" title="Category:Fictional English people">Category:Fictional_English_people</a>, I would agree. Half the UK plays, poems, films etc since the year dot feature "Fictional English people", and most are not there. Just puzzled, I don't categorise very often and tend to do more removing than adding myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Pincrete" title="User:Pincrete">Pincrete</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pincrete" title="User talk:Pincrete">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z-Diffuse_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC)</a> <i>(please ping if replying).</i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z-Diffuse_category"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z-Diffuse_category"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pincrete" title="User:Pincrete">Pincrete</a>:</span> You link an old version above, not an edit of mine. But I assume that you mean <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Will_Parry_(His_Dark_Materials)&diff=prev&oldid=802774927">this edit</a></span>; also, I linked <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CATDIFFUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CATDIFFUSE">WP:CATDIFFUSE</a>, I did not give a redlink. Finally, I left <a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_English_people" title="Category:Fictional English people">Category:Fictional English people</a> alone: the article was in that category before my edit, and still in that category afterward.</dd> <dd>Anyway, my edit was a reversion of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Will_Parry_(His_Dark_Materials)&diff=prev&oldid=802738266">the previous edit</a></span>: the person who added the article to <a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_British_people" title="Category:Fictional British people">Category:Fictional British people</a>, that is <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.35.119.48" title="Special:Contributions/72.35.119.48">72.35.119.48</a></span> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.35.119.48&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.35.119.48 (page does not exist)">talk</a>)</span>, had made a lot of edits recently where they had added one or more categories to pages which were already in a subcategory of the one concerned. In this case, the article was already in <a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_English_people" title="Category:Fictional English people">Category:Fictional English people</a>, which is a subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_British_people" title="Category:Fictional British people">Category:Fictional British people</a>; and my reversion merely removed the extra category. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z-Pincrete-2017-09-28T20:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pincrete-2017-09-29T06:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the reply, I don't think I'm normally do daft! I hope not. <a href="/wiki/User:Pincrete" title="User:Pincrete">Pincrete</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pincrete" title="User talk:Pincrete">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Pincrete-2017-09-29T06:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 29 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pincrete-2017-09-29T06:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pincrete-2017-09-29T06:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-09-28T22:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_treat" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_treat-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_treat-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z"></span>A treat<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_treat-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z-A_treat"></span>Hello R. Have you seen <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IEpy3PWH8Y">this yet</a>? Some delightful drawings by Russell T and a wonderful message for all Dr Who fans. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z-A_treat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z-A_treat"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-04T21:17:00.000Z-A_treat"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900" /></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Technical Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Mind you, it's not saying much, as the ape men of the <a href="/wiki/Indus_Valley" class="mw-redirect" title="Indus Valley">Indus Valley</a> have a clearer understanding of coding than I  :) but thank you, anyway, for the help on my page. Lookin' good! — <a href="/wiki/User:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"><span style="color:maroon"><b>fortuna</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi"><span style="color:navy"><i><b>velut luna</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 5 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-05T17:24:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-05T17:24:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-05T17:24:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-05T17:24:00.000Z-Fortuna_Imperatrix_Mundi-2017-10-05T17:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z"></span>Nomination for deletion of Template:Manchester and Milford Railway<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc86035-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/30px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/45px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" /></span></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway" title="Template:Manchester and Milford Railway">Template:Manchester and Milford Railway</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">nominated for deletion</a>. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_October_7#Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 October 7">the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jc86035" title="User:Jc86035">Jc86035</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jc86035" title="User talk:Jc86035">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Jc86035-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 7 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc86035-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc86035-2017-10-07T08:50:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Manchester_and_Milford_Railway"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z"><span id="Template:_WikiProject_Women.27s_sport"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z"></span>Template: WikiProject Women's sport<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hmlarson-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport"></span>Hi RedRose64, can you push the edits made to <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Women%27s_sport/sandbox" title="Template:WikiProject Women's sport/sandbox">Template: WikiProject Women's sport/sandbox</a> live or let me know what needs to be modified. I made the changes you previously noted. Thank you for your assistance. <a href="/wiki/User:Hmlarson" title="User:Hmlarson">Hmlarson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hmlarson" title="User talk:Hmlarson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Hmlarson-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hmlarson-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hmlarson-2017-10-13T00:46:00.000Z-Template:_WikiProject_Women's_sport"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="meetups" data-mw-thread-id="h-meetups-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-meetups-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z"></span>meetups<span data-mw-comment-end="h-meetups-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z-meetups"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg/220px-Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg/330px-Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg/440px-Flight_9.9.06b_011.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2816" data-file-height="2112" /></a><figcaption>The tip of the pale green spire of Nuffield College indicates the roof of The Four Candles, the normal venue for Oxford meetups</figcaption></figure> <p>hi...when are next meet ups? <a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispyhistory" title="User talk:Whispyhistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z-meetups" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 8 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z-meetups"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z-meetups"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a>:</span> You missed <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/123" class="extiw" title="m:Meetup/London/123">London 123</a> yesterday, next is <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Oxford/55" class="extiw" title="m:Meetup/Oxford/55">Oxford 55</a> this coming Sunday; generally, you should find a notice at the top of your watchlist (unless you've dismissed it). But if you go to the page for any UK meetup, past or future, you should find a pink sidebar on the right that lists upcoming and recent, also a navbox at the bottom which groups by town/city. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-08T20:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> Thank you...no message has been coming up on my watchlist like before <a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispyhistory" title="User talk:Whispyhistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z"></span>Sorry... should be there now. Another method is to add any one or more of these to your watchlist: <a href="/wiki/Template:Meetup-UK" title="Template:Meetup-UK">Template:Meetup-UK</a>; <a href="/wiki/Template:UK_Wikipedia_meetups" title="Template:UK Wikipedia meetups">Template:UK Wikipedia meetups</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/UK" title="Wikipedia:Meetup/UK">Wikipedia:Meetup/UK</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 9 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-09T19:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z"></span>amazing as usual <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span>. see you in Oxford <a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispyhistory" title="User talk:Whispyhistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-09T19:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> Before meet up could you check <a href="/wiki/St_Clair_Thomson" title="St Clair Thomson">St Clair Thomson</a>. How to size signature. I have collected many more signatures to add once I know how to do it properly.Thx<a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispyhistory" title="User talk:Whispyhistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-10T04:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-13T18:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z"></span>Forget about using the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EIS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EIS">full image syntax</a> inside infoboxes. Just put the bare filename into the appropriate parameter, as in <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|signature=Signature ST Claire Thomson 1894, Royal Medical Chirurgical Society `obligation Book 1805.jpg</code> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-13T18:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-13T18:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-13T18:19:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-13T15:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z-meetups"></span>Just seen the notice for the Oxford meetup this Sunday. I am due to arrive in Oxford by <a href="/wiki/Narrowboat" title="Narrowboat">narrowboat</a> on Saturday night & the two things just clicked so I may try to drop in. I don't know Oxford very well at all. but the public moorings seem to reasonably close.— <a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rod</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodw" title="User talk:Rodw">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z-meetups" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 10 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z-meetups"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z-meetups"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> I have to say that <a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rodw</a>'s casual <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">I am due to arrive in Oxford by narrowboat on Saturday night</q> is pretty much the Coolest Thing Out. Love it. :) <a href="/wiki/User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered" title="User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered">DBaK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered" title="User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 10 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-10T18:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rodw</a>:</span> Will you be on the <a href="/wiki/Oxford_Canal" title="Oxford Canal">Oxford Canal</a>? If so, its southern end (just north of <a href="/wiki/Hythe_Bridge" title="Hythe Bridge">Hythe Bridge</a>, don't pass through <a href="/wiki/Isis_Lock" title="Isis Lock">Lock 46</a>) is about 90 seconds walk from the meetup venue. Before the basin was filled in, and <a href="/wiki/Nuffield_College" class="mw-redirect" title="Nuffield College">Nuffield College</a> built on top, it was under ten seconds... --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-10-10T22:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rodw-2017-10-11T05:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z"></span>Thanks both. We will be travelling south on the Oxford. The aim is to moor in Oxford for a night before going onto the Thames, so hope to see you then.— <a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rod</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodw" title="User talk:Rodw">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Rodw-2017-10-11T05:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rodw-2017-10-11T05:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rodw-2017-10-11T05:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-10T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_Birthday!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_Birthday!-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z"><span id="Happy_Birthday.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_Birthday!-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z"></span>Happy Birthday!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_Birthday!-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="align: upperright; padding: 1em; border: solid 3px #2B547E; background-color: #E6E6FA;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z-Happy_Birthday!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg/60px-Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg.png" decoding="async" width="60" height="96" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg/90px-Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg/120px-Wikipe-tan_Birthday.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="800" /></a><figcaption> </figcaption></figure> <b>Wishing <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> a very happy birthday on behalf of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BDC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BDC">Birthday Committee</a>! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Slightlymad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Slightlymad (page does not exist)"><span style="color:black;"><i>Slightly</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slightlymad" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Slightlymad"><span style="color:black;"><i><b>mad</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z-Happy_Birthday!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z-Happy_Birthday!"></span></b><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z-Happy_Birthday!"></span></div> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-14T08:07:00.000Z-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Slightlymad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Slightlymad (page does not exist)">Slightlymad</a>:</span> Which birthday? Real-life, made first edit, or registered an account? But, it seems that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Redrose64" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redrose64">I became an admin</a> six years ago today. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-14T08:07:00.000Z-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-14T08:07:00.000Z-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-14T08:07:00.000Z-Slightlymad-2017-10-14T04:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adrian_Vaughan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adrian_Vaughan-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adrian_Vaughan-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Adrian Vaughan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adrian_Vaughan-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z-Adrian_Vaughan"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg/220px-Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="147" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg/330px-Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg/440px-Railway_passing_loops_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1257109.jpg 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="427" /></a><figcaption>View east from the B4017 bridge at Steventon of the place where No. 6800 <i>Arlington Grange</i> was derailed</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg/220px-High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="147" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg/330px-High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg/440px-High_Street_in_Steventon_crosses_the_main_line_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537442.jpg 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="427" /></a><figcaption>View west from the down main towards the B4017 bridge, and beyond that, Steventon station</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg/220px-Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="143" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg/330px-Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg/440px-Signal_gantry_at_Steventon_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1537441.jpg 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="415" /></a><figcaption>View west, showing the accident location on the left</figcaption></figure> <p>How reliable is Vaughan for dates of accidents etc? <i>Signalman's Twilight</i> pp100-05 refers. Can't find owt to back that one up. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z-Adrian_Vaughan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z-Adrian_Vaughan"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z-Adrian_Vaughan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Can't find my copy. What was the location, the circumstances? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T18:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z"></span>SPAD and derailment of freight at Foxhall Jn, Didcot, involving 6800 <i>Arlington Grange</i>, 21 September 1962. Express passenger stopped just short of obstruction. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T19:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> If you know what the local paper at the time was, they're usually a good bet; most of them are now archived online provided you have a UK library card, and anything that causes any kind of disruption almost always gets at least a brief mention in the local press complete with exact time and place. ‑ <a href="/wiki/User:Iridescent" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Iridescent">Iridescent</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 16 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-16T20:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z"></span>That's what is troubling me. The only accident I can find at that location was five years later, involving a passenger train that O. S. Nock was travelling on. Not a mention in <i>The Times</i> or at the Railways Archive website. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z-Iridescent-2017-10-16T20:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z"></span>The only accident involving 6800 <i>Arlington Grange</i> that I recall reading about was not at Foxhall Junction (53 miles 55 chains from Paddington), but more than <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1154941027">.mw-parser-output .frac{white-space:nowrap}.mw-parser-output .frac .num,.mw-parser-output .frac .den{font-size:80%;line-height:0;vertical-align:super}.mw-parser-output .frac .den{vertical-align:sub}.mw-parser-output .sr-only{border:0;clip:rect(0,0,0,0);clip-path:polygon(0px 0px,0px 0px,0px 0px);height:1px;margin:-1px;overflow:hidden;padding:0;position:absolute;width:1px}</style><span class="frac">2<span class="sr-only">+</span><span class="num">1</span>⁄<span class="den">2</span></span> miles to the west (between mileposts <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1154941027" /><span class="frac">56<span class="sr-only">+</span><span class="num">1</span>⁄<span class="den">4</span></span> and <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1154941027" /><span class="frac">56<span class="sr-only">+</span><span class="num">1</span>⁄<span class="den">2</span></span>) at approximately <span class="geo-inline"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1156832818">.mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct,.mw-parser-output .geo-inline-hidden{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}</style><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion"><a class="external text" href="https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19&params=51.62135_N_1.3152_W_type:event_region:GB"><span class="geo-nondefault"><span class="geo-dms" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location"><span class="latitude">51°37′17″N</span> <span class="longitude">1°18′55″W</span></span></span><span class="geo-multi-punct"> / </span><span class="geo-default"><span class="geo-dec" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location">51.62135°N 1.3152°W</span><span style="display:none"> / <span class="geo">51.62135; -1.3152</span></span></span></a></span></span> near <a href="/wiki/Steventon_railway_station" title="Steventon railway station">Steventon</a>. To the east of Steventon station is a bridge (56 miles 39 chains) that nowadays carries the <a href="/wiki/B4017_road" class="mw-redirect" title="B4017 road">B4017 road</a> over the railway, but at that time carried the <a href="/wiki/A34_road" title="A34 road">A34 road</a>; this bridge is only wide enough for two rail tracks (see second photo). To the east of the bridge there are points (56 miles 32 chains), and from there towards Milton (which was itself the site of <a href="/wiki/Milton_rail_crash" title="Milton rail crash">an accident in 1955</a> just west of milepost <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1154941027" /><span class="frac">55<span class="sr-only">+</span><span class="num">1</span>⁄<span class="den">4</span></span>), four tracks in cutting. Of these four tracks, the ones to consider are the down goods loop (DGL), which is the southernmost (rightmost in the first photo, leftmost in the third); and the down main (DM), which is the second from the south (second from right in the first photo, centre in second and third photos). The exit from the DGL is protected by trap points; these are visible in the first photo, exactly half-way down, directly below the pair of cooling towers; and in the third photo, on the left-hand track just beyond the signal gantry.</dd> <dd>As I recall, 6800 was hauling a down train (not a passenger train - may have been goods, parcels or empties) on the DGL, and there was a down passenger train (either express or ordinary, I don't recall) on the DM. Since the passenger train had priority, the exit points were set for the DM, and the DM signals were clear; accordingly, the DGL signals were at danger and the trap points were set to divert any runaway from reaching the main line. The driver of 6800 mistook the DM signals for his own, and carried on through the trap points and was derailed into the side of the cutting.</dd> <dd>I have studied this location many times: for the last two years, the bus that takes me to work goes over Steventon bridge, and the trap points at the end of the DGL are clearly visible. I <i>must</i> get a higher-resolution photo before the ongoing electrification work reduces the visibility of the site. Masts are already up ... --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z-Mjroots-2017-10-17T07:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T20:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z"></span>A lot of what you've put ties in. I'll need to carefully digest that chapter before I edit any articles to add in the accident. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T20:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T20:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-10-17T20:16:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-17T13:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="references" data-mw-thread-id="h-references-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-references-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z"></span>references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-references-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z-references"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> Hi... can you advise what to do to correct reference 5 on <a href="/wiki/History_of_Medicine_Society" title="History of Medicine Society">History of Medicine Society</a>. There is a lot of red writing.<a href="/wiki/User:Whispyhistory" title="User:Whispyhistory">Whispyhistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whispyhistory" title="User talk:Whispyhistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z-references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 18 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z-references"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z-references"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2017-10-18T13:03:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z"></span>Fixed. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Jonesey95-2017-10-18T13:03:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2017-10-18T13:03:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2017-10-18T13:03:00.000Z-Whispyhistory-2017-10-18T10:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_would_like_to_award_this" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_would_like_to_award_this-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_would_like_to_award_this-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z"></span>I would like to award this<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_would_like_to_award_this-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z-I_would_like_to_award_this"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span>, this is <a href="/wiki/User:Navarre0107" title="User:Navarre0107">Navarre0107</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Navarre0107" title="User talk:Navarre0107">talk</a>), I would like to thank you for fixing and greatly improving a template of my wikiproject, also, for your service, on behalf of my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Navarre,_Florida" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Navarre, Florida">Wikipedia:WikiProject Navarre, Florida</a>, I would like to award this service award: </p> <table style="background-color: #C0C0C0; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg/100px-NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg" decoding="async" width="100" height="75" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg/150px-NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg/200px-NavarreBeachSignSpring.jpeg 2x" data-file-width="3264" data-file-height="2448" /></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>Wikipedians of Navarre Service Award</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Awarded by a member of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Navarre,_Florida" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Navarre, Florida">Wikipedia:WikiProject Navarre, Florida</a>, due to this user's service to aiding the advancement of Navarre, Florida, and its corresponding Wikipedia pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Navarre0107" title="User:Navarre0107">Navarre0107</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Navarre0107" title="User talk:Navarre0107">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z-I_would_like_to_award_this" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z-I_would_like_to_award_this"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z-I_would_like_to_award_this"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></span></span> <b>Thank you</b></span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T15:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T16:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z"></span>You're Welcome :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Navarre0107" title="User:Navarre0107">Navarre0107</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Navarre0107" title="User talk:Navarre0107">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T16:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 19 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T16:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Navarre0107-2017-10-19T16:48:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-19T15:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z"><span id="Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II.2A_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z"></span>Template transclusion limit exceeded on Grade II* listed buildings in South Somerset<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some"></span>Nice to meet you in Oxford last week. We were talking about the template transclusion limit being exceeded (or similar term) on <a href="/wiki/Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset" title="Grade II* listed buildings in South Somerset">Grade II* listed buildings in South Somerset</a> and I'm sorry I didn't have tome to understand what you were saying about lua (or similar). There is an old discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset#Content_transclusion_limit_exceeded" title="Talk:Grade II* listed buildings in South Somerset">Talk:Grade II* listed buildings in South Somerset#Content transclusion limit exceeded</a> and I wondered if you had any more thoughts to add there about how to resolve the issue?— <a href="/wiki/User:Rodw" title="User:Rodw">Rod</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodw" title="User talk:Rodw">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z-Template_transclusion_limit_exceeded_on_Grade_II*_listed_buildings_in_South_Some"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-22T15:05:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z"></span>If you don't want to go as far as rewriting <a href="/wiki/Template:English_Heritage_listed_building_row" title="Template:English Heritage listed building row">Template:English Heritage listed building row</a> in Lua, there are two possible courses of action: either split down the article into even smaller areas; or consider removing one or two items of information from every row. Regarding the latter method, two that spring to mind are: <ol><li>Is it necessary to have both grid reference <i>and</i> coordinates?</li> <li>Is a separate reference necessary when the entry number links through to what <i>should</i> be a reliable source? By removing the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|reference=</code> parameter from every row, that will eliminate 250+ instances of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}}</code>; the column itself may be hidden by altering all instances of <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|show_ref=yes</code> to <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|show_ref=no</code> in the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:EH_listed_building_header" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:EH listed building header">EH listed building header</a>}}</code> and all the rows.</li></ol></dd> <dd>On the matter of grid refs, these seem somewhat <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COORD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COORD">overprecise</a> - they have two letters and ten figures: this is one-metre precision. Note that reducing the precision to perhaps 10 metres (8 figures) will not affect the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TLIMIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TLIMIT">template limits</a> at all. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-22T15:05:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 22 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-22T15:05:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-22T15:05:00.000Z-Rodw-2017-10-22T09:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFC" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFC-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFC-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z"></span>RFC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFC-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davey2010-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z-RFC"></span>Hi RedRose, Hope all is well,<br /> Inregards to the RFC - If his name is on more than one news cite and even features on a news clip on his own YouTube video then how can it still be considered outing ?, I can kinda see the logic in the OUTING thing but at the same time he's still releasing name on both things here so I kinda don't ... makes a whole heap of sense!,<br /> Anyway sorry I'm not great when it comes to this sort of thing and would rather get a better understanding first,<br /> Thanks, –<a href="/wiki/User:Davey2010" title="User:Davey2010"><span style="color: blue;"><b>Davey</b></span><span style="color: orange;"><b>2010</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davey2010" title="User talk:Davey2010"><span style="color: navy;"><b>Talk</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Davey2010-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z-RFC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davey2010-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z-RFC"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davey2010-2017-10-23T23:17:00.000Z-RFC"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Newton_dale_Halt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Newton_dale_Halt-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Newton_dale_Halt-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z"></span>Newton dale Halt<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Newton_dale_Halt-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z-Newton_dale_Halt"></span>Hi Redrose 64; regarding this diff <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newton_Dale_Halt_railway_station&diff=806993201&oldid=806915542">[4]</a> I was trying to say that the name was changed and is now listed on their websites as being different to the actual name of the station. It didn't come off very well and I appreciate that on balance, what I was saying was wrong and I thank you for being the guiding hand in these matters. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:The_joy_of_all_things" title="User:The joy of all things">The joy of all things</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_joy_of_all_things" title="User talk:The joy of all things">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z-Newton_dale_Halt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z-Newton_dale_Halt"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_joy_of_all_things-2017-10-25T09:06:00.000Z-Newton_dale_Halt"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Challow" data-mw-thread-id="h-Challow-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Challow-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z"></span>Challow<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Challow-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z-Challow"></span>As you're probably aware, I've expanded the <a href="/wiki/Challow_railway_station" title="Challow railway station">Challow</a> station article. The Railways Archive website mentions an accident on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=7866">29 April 1872</a>. <i>The Times</i> draws a blank. As it's your patch, maybe you can find some info in your local library. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Mjroots-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z-Challow" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z-Challow"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2017-10-26T19:19:00.000Z-Challow"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_assistance_is_requested" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_assistance_is_requested-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_assistance_is_requested-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z"></span>Your assistance is requested<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_assistance_is_requested-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z-Your_assistance_is_requested"></span>Hello R. I hope that you are well. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia/PH_Games" title="Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/PH Games">Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/PH Games</a> has shown up in the category. As it is fully protected I can't perform the necessaries to get it out. When you have a moment your help will be appreciated. Thanks for your time. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z-Your_assistance_is_requested" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 15 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z-Your_assistance_is_requested"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z-Your_assistance_is_requested"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z"></span>I gave it a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NULLEDIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NULLEDIT">WP:NULLEDIT</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 16 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-15T13:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z"></span>Many thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-16T10:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="New_one" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_one-Your_assistance_is_requested-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_one-Your_assistance_is_requested-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span>New one<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_one-Your_assistance_is_requested-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z-New_one"></span>Hello again. Yesterday this <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_computing_in_Romania" title="Talk:History of computing in Romania">Talk:History of computing in Romania</a> was added to the cat. I tried null edits there, at the article where the info originated and at the template page. I also waited for a time to see if it would clear out on its own. I will be interested to learn what the solution is. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z-New_one" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z-New_one"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z-New_one"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span>It's because <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Attribution_history" title="Template:Attribution history">Attribution history</a>}}</code> has a <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Pp" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Pp">pp</a>}}</code> which was put there by <a href="/wiki/User:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User:Jo-Jo Eumerus">Jo-Jo Eumerus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="Special:Contributions/Jo-Jo Eumerus">contribs</a>), presumably under the impression that all pages bearing this template would necessarily be protected. Of course, <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_computing_in_Romania" title="Talk:History of computing in Romania">Talk:History of computing in Romania</a> has never been protected. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 29 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T17:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for taking a look. I see the protection template in the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Attribution_history&action=edit">editing field</a> but I don't see a protection in the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Template%3AAttribution+history">log for the template</a>. Is that what is causing the problem? I also wonder if this hasn't shown up before because the template hadn't been used until a day ago. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 29 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z"></span>It's nothing to do with protection of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Attribution_history" title="Template:Attribution history">Attribution history</a>}}</code>: the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Pp" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Pp">pp</a>}}</code> is inside <code class="nowrap" style=""><includeonly>...</includeonly></code> so the protection that relates to this is that of the page where the template is transcluded - in this case, <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_computing_in_Romania" title="Talk:History of computing in Romania">Talk:History of computing in Romania</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T22:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z"></span>I see R. Do you have any idea how to get that talk page out of the category? I always appreciate your taking the time to explain these things. Enjoy your week. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 29 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-29T22:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z"></span>Does the template need to have a <code class="nowrap" style=""><noinclude>...</noinclude></code> added in some fashion? I'm just throwing ideas out since - as you say the <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_computing_in_Romania" title="Talk:History of computing in Romania">Talk:History of computing in Romania</a> page has never been protected. Apologies if I am making things more confusing. <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 29 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><code class="nowrap" style=""><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z"></span><noinclude>...</noinclude></code> has the opposite effect of <code class="nowrap" style=""><includeonly>...</includeonly></code> - if you put one inside the other, nothing is done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z-MarnetteD-2017-10-29T23:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-30T12:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. So is there anything that can be done to get that talk page out of the category? <a href="/wiki/User:MarnetteD" title="User:MarnetteD">MarnetteD</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarnetteD" title="User talk:MarnetteD">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-MarnetteD-2017-10-30T12:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-30T12:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarnetteD-2017-10-30T12:14:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unrelated" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unrelated-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unrelated-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z"></span>Unrelated<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unrelated-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z-Unrelated"></span>Dear Redrose64. I hope I have found an acceptable amendment wording by explaining the contractual chain Regards JW <a href="/wiki/User:Jwoch" title="User:Jwoch">Jwoch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jwoch" title="User talk:Jwoch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z-Unrelated" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z-Unrelated"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z-Unrelated"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T20:55:00.000Z-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jwoch" title="User:Jwoch">Jwoch</a>:</span> What does this have to do with article alerts? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T20:55:00.000Z-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T20:55:00.000Z-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T20:55:00.000Z-Jwoch-2017-10-30T20:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alerts_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alerts_question-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alerts_question-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z"></span>Alerts question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alerts_question-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z-Alerts_question"></span>There were a couple of occasions where women-related articles at AfD were not listed in the Alert section at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red</a>. I don't know why the BOT didn't pick them up, but the most recent example is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joy_Ballard" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joy Ballard">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joy Ballard</a>. I guess I could post it to the project TP but if there's a way to fix the issue, that may be a better route. I just happened across this one because I was reviewing AfD this evening. Your help will be greatly appreciated. <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z-Alerts_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z-Alerts_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z-Alerts_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme">Atsme</a>:</span> The alert section being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts</a>, which is updated based upon the entry at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_alerts/Subscription_list#W" title="Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscription list">Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscription list#W</a>. This shows <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">WikiProject Women in Red</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">talk</a>)</small></b>: Banner: <b><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WIR" title="Template:WIR">WIR</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></b> Talk category: <b>((<a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Women in Red pages">All WikiProject Women in Red pages</a>))</b> → <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>which indicates that for the AFD to be selected for listing at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts</a>, an article's talk page either needs to carry <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:WIR" title="Template:WIR">WIR</a>}}</code> (or one of its redirects), or be in <a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Women in Red pages">Category:All WikiProject Women in Red pages</a>. <a href="/wiki/Talk:Joy_Ballard" title="Talk:Joy Ballard">Talk:Joy Ballard</a> has neither of these. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T04:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z"></span>Perfect! Thank you! <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-30T08:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><sup><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-2017-10-31T02:59:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z"></span>Sorry about the screw-ups, and thank you for helping me to better understand how the process works. <sup><a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">📞</a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Atsme-2017-10-31T02:59:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 31 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-2017-10-31T02:59:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z"></span></sup><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-2017-10-31T02:59:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-10-30T12:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc" data-mw-thread-id="h-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z"></span>re: your persistent removal of my rfc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc"></span>citing an "essay" is NOT a valid rationale for this action. </p><p>if we are doing that, i refer you to the wheaton rule? :) </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Lx_121" title="User:Lx 121">Lx 121</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lx_121" title="User talk:Lx 121">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z-re:_your_persistent_removal_of_my_rfc"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lx_121" title="User:Lx 121">Lx 121</a>:</span> I did not remove your RFC - I removed the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> template; there is a difference. Also, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC</a> is not an "essay", it is agreed and established procedure for how to conduct a Request for Comment. I urge you once again to look carefully at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Cultural_appropriation#NNPOV" title="Talk:Cultural appropriation">Talk:Cultural appropriation#NNPOV</a> and consider my points, <i>in particular</i>, why is "<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Unsorted" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Unsorted">Unsorted</a></b>" present <i>five</i> times? Have you not read either <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC</a> or the documentation for <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code>? What on earth is the "wheaton rule"?</dd> <dd>Finally: please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">WP:NPA</a> and think <i>very</i> carefully about what you wrote <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cultural_appropriation&diff=prev&oldid=808057718">here</a></span>. Looking at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lx_121" title="User talk:Lx 121">User talk:Lx 121</a>, I see that there have been concerns about your editing going back almost <i>ten years</i>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 31 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-10-31T16:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z"></span>1, "I did not remove your RFC - I removed the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc" title="Template:Rfc">rfc</a>}}</code> template" - that has got to be right up there with "guns don't kill people, people kill people" in terms of its logic & reasoning. <i><b>HOW EXACTLY</b></i> do you see an "rfc" going forward, if you <b>remove the rfc tag</b>? how is an rfc supposed to occur after you do that? because, last time i checked, the <i>tags</i> were pretty darned important to getting the c's to your r.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>2, as i said elsewhere, since the template <b>does not include</b> a list of the topic "codes" to choose from, & since i did not know them, & could not find such a list, <i>by reasonable effort</i>, i simply put the appropriate words <i>in english</i>; assuming, that some rfc-specialist editor <i>acting in good faith</i> would correct & categorise them as necessary. i cannot believe that <i>every single other editor who seeks an rfc</i> has had perfect knowledge of the correct codes, <i>every time</i>, so i would expect the rfc "working group" to be prepared for such contingencies. if you feel bothered by this lack, & since you are knowledgible about the subject, , why don't you add the "correct" letter combinations to make the codes to properly categorise it? <i>instead of</i> deleting the rfc x2.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>3, <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WRFC">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WRFC</a> which you cited as 1/2 your rationale for deleting the rfc, most certainly is an "essay", & therefore <i>not</i> "wp"; & i do not see <i>anything</i> on the other linked oage, that justifies <i>arbitrarily removing</i> another editor's rfc tag? or rather i do not see any cases that would <i>apply</i> here? please clarify which item you are using to justify this action?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>4, thus far, you have not had <i>anything</i> to say about the points actually raised in the rfc, so if you disagree with me, why don't you post your reasoning there? & since we are now "sniffing" each other's past records, yes, i have been editing wikipedia for <b>over ten years</b>, & i've got a pretty damned decent record of <i>quality work</i>; & i am quite sure that if i could be bothered to hunt through your contrib history & talkpage history, i could find plenty of people who have disagreed with you, also? :) if that is the basis for judging the <i>validity</i> of one another's arguements, then we are all in trouble. & this place has never really fixed the problem of declining editor numbers...</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>5, you can go look up the "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wheaton_rule&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wheaton rule (page does not exist)">wheaton rule</a>" for yourself, or not, wp:idc. there used to be an article about it, but i stopped keeping track of stupid/pointless/"bad" deletions & merges; it was too depressing.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lx_121" title="User:Lx 121">Lx 121</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lx_121" title="User talk:Lx 121">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-10-31T23:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-11-01T08:52:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z"></span>The topic codes most definitely <i>are</i> listed in the template, at <a href="/wiki/Template:Rfc#Definition_of_topic_areas" title="Template:Rfc">Template:Rfc#Definition of topic areas</a>; the're also listed in the RFC guidance page, at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC#Categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC#Categories</a>. The prefix "WP:" is simply shorthand for "Wikipedia:" namespace, it applies to <i>any</i> page in that namespace, whatever its status. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Redrose64-2017-11-01T08:52:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-11-01T08:52:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-11-01T08:52:00.000Z-Lx_121-2017-11-01T07:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station" data-mw-thread-id="h-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z"></span>Escher comment on Liverpool St station<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rebroad-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station"></span>Hi... I've reverted your revert as it appears to be based on a misunderstanding. I made no mention of Escher anywhere in my edit. Can I ask how he is related to your edit? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rebroad" title="User:Rebroad">Rebroad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rebroad" title="User talk:Rebroad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64/unclassified_19#c-Rebroad-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 3 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rebroad-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rebroad-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z-Escher_comment_on_Liverpool_St_station"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-11-03T23:00:00.000Z-Rebroad-2017-11-03T09:53:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rebroad" title="User:Rebroad">Rebroad</a>:</span> I didn't revert because of any mention of <a href="/wiki/M._C._Escher" title="M. C. Escher">M. C. Escher</a>; I reverted because it's not as as suitable as the established lead image. I mentioned Escher because <a href="/wiki/File:Liverpool_Street_Station_panorama.jpg" title="File:Liverpool Street Station panorama.jpg">your preferred image</a> shows heavy distortion that is characteristic of Escher's work, in which impossible staircases feature prominently. You have now attempted six times to get this image into <a href="/wiki/Liverpool_Street_station" title="Liverpool Street station">Liverpool Street station</a> and have been reverted by various people, myself included: <ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=687850864">10:07, 30 October 2015</a></span> reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=688205407">23:49, 30 October 2015</a></span> by myself</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=688298246">11:39, 5 November 2015</a></span> reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=689174336">11:58, 5 November 2015</a></span> by <a href="/wiki/User:Alarics" title="User:Alarics">Alarics</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alarics" title="User talk:Alarics">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alarics" title="Special:Contributions/Alarics">contribs</a>)</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=739990869">04:25, 20 September 2016</a></span> reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=740287497">04:31, 20 September 2016</a></span> by yourself</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=806070562">14:20, 1 November 2017</a></span> reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=808203856">19:02, 1 November 2017</a></span> by myself</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=808320150">09:50, 3 November 2017</a></span> reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=808517086">10:23, 3 November 2017</a></span> by <a href="/wiki/User:Iridescent" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Iridescent">Iridescent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent" title="User talk:Iridescent">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iridescent" title="Special:Contributions/Iridescent">contribs</a>)</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=808520161">17:00, 3 November 2017</a></span> reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liverpool_Street_station&diff=next&oldid=808564318">17:20, 3 November 2017</a></span> by <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333">Ritchie333</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333">contribs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>So I am not the only one to revert you; by the third revert, you should have realised that you have little (or no) support for your preferred image. 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