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articles/Japan">requested articles</a></b>.</li> <li>Help <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/ja" title="Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/ja">translate</a></b> an article from the <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="ja:">Japanese Wikipedia</a> into English.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_Japan-related_articles" title="Category:Unassessed Japan-related articles">Assess</a></b> unassessed articles</li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table id="archivebox" role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-small" style="text-align: center; padding: 1em;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="padding:0.6em 0 0.25em;"> <div style="width:100%; overflow:hidden;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold"></span>Access date in refs 1, 3 need to be wlinked</li> <li>"and is also one of the world's shortest national anthems in current use. [1]" - Don't need a space between the full stop and ref</li> <li>"Kimi ga Yo was considered to be a symbol of the imperialism and the militarism in wartime. [1]" - And again....</li> <li>The "Lyrics" section should use a table which includes (as headers) the language that you're writing in</li> <li>"The change of the lyrics occurred during the Kamakura period. [3]" - Ref placement</li> <li>"In 1869, around the start of the Meiji Era," - 1989 doesn't need to be wlinked here</li> <li><b>"Not only this is where Fenton was based as a military band leader, the Myoukoji Shrine serves as a memorial to Fenton." - Perhaps reword to "As this is where Fenton was based as a military band leader, the Myoukoji Shrine serves as a memorial to him."</b></li> <li>"In 1880, the Imperial Household Agency" - Don't wlink 1880</li> <li><b>"there has been criticism of the anthem for its association with militarism and the virtual worship of the emperor as a deity" - Need a source for this criticism</b></li> <li>"and fined 200,000 yen (about 2,000 dollars)," - wlink the respective currencies here</li> <li>"English lyrics as they can allude to comfort women.[11][12][13][14][15][16]" - 6 refs...can't these be spread throughout the paragraph or something?</li> <li>"towards Kimi ga yo when it is being" - Shouldn't it be Kimi ga <b>Y</b>o? (also at "are required to sing Kimi ga yo while facing the Hinomaru", "Kimi ga yo, however, is commonly played")</li> <li><b>How about placing the recordings inline throughout the article?</b></li> <li><b>"(modified to resemble the Kimi ga Yo)" - name should be in italics right?</b></li></ul> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Portal:Music_of_Australia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Portal:Music of Australia (page does not exist)">—</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dihydrogen_Monoxide" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dihydrogen Monoxide"><b style="color:#12A434">Dihydrogen Monoxide</b></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Dihydrogen_Monoxide_2" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Dihydrogen Monoxide 2">Review</a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold"></span> </p> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z"></span>I hopped I snagged everything. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T02:50:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:41:00.000Z-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z"></span>A few things still to do - I'll put 'em in bold. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Portal:Music_of_Australia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Portal:Music of Australia (page does not exist)">—</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dihydrogen_Monoxide" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dihydrogen Monoxide"><b style="color:#12A434">Dihydrogen Monoxide</b></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Dihydrogen_Monoxide_2" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Dihydrogen Monoxide 2">Review</a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:41:00.000Z-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:41:00.000Z-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:41:00.000Z-Zscout370-2007-12-24T04:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:53:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold"></span>Passed</b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Portal:Music_of_Australia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Portal:Music of Australia (page does not exist)">—</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dihydrogen_Monoxide" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dihydrogen Monoxide"><b style="color:#12A434">Dihydrogen Monoxide</b></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Dihydrogen_Monoxide_2" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Dihydrogen Monoxide 2">Review</a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:53:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:53:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dihydrogen_Monoxide-2007-12-24T04:53:00.000Z-GA_nom_on_hold"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kana_script" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kana_script-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kana_script-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z"></span>Kana script<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kana_script-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Kana script"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmns_tsw-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z-Kana_script"></span>The fifth line of the lyrics should run as いはほとなりて in the time-honoured traditional script which could be transcribed as "i`a`oto narite". Here the grave accent stands for medial 'h'. Both the medial 'h' and the letter 'w' are separators which are realized as a bilabial semi-vowel only when immediately followed by the 'a' sound. Particles used not to be separated from the preceding word. "いわおとなりて" is a result of prepocessing applied to the original script to make it conform to the romanization system synchronically conceived in the Meiji period. <a href="/wiki/Talk:Romanization_of_Japanese#An_Extended-Hepburn_System" title="Talk:Romanization of Japanese">Talk:Romanization of Japanese#An Extended-Hepburn System</a> is a panchronic system and does not need preprocessing. It is a transliteration system of the full set of Kana syllabary including ヂジ and ヅズ. Hepburn did not think it necessary to differentiat this affricate/fricative pair and provided only for affricates. So instead of ジ and ズ, ヂ and ヅ should have been given priority in Present-Day Kana Usage. You can see other examples of this system at [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://home.att.ne.jp/grape/shindo/mougo5.htm#NatukasikiUta">懐かしい唄の数々</a>]--<a href="/wiki/User:Kmns_tsw" title="User:Kmns tsw">Kmns tsw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmns_tsw" title="User talk:Kmns tsw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Kmns_tsw-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z-Kana_script" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmns_tsw-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z-Kana_script"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmns_tsw-2008-03-23T15:33:00.000Z-Kana_script"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span>The Emperor never sings Kimi-ga-Yo in public<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: The Emperor never sings Kimi-ga-Yo in public"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public"></span>Zscout370 told me that the source should be showed. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kimi_ga_Yo_Kimi_ga_Yo&diff=184015439&oldid=184014037">[1]</a> </p><p>Because of the nature of this song, it is so natural that this is not the matter that is often mentioned. Every summer, on 15th August (JST), you can watch it on TV. Everybody who attends the end-of-the-war-memorial ceremony sings at him, and the Emperor, with his mouth shut, listens to the song. </p><p>I found an article about this<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20010526180351/http://kodansha.cplaza.ne.jp/hottopics/kimigayo/content.html">[2]</a>. Is this enough? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Griffin_in_a_Door&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Griffin in a Door (page does not exist)">Griffin in a Door</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Griffin_in_a_Door" title="User talk:Griffin in a Door">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z-The_Emperor_never_sings_Kimi-ga-Yo_in_public"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2008-05-11T21:20:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span>Finally got the encoding to work so I can see the text. Keep in mind that I am in the US, so I do not see the ceremonies on television like normal Japanese could. Anyways, I think with this source, we can make a one sentence statement saying "By tradition, the emperor doesn't sign the lyrics of <i>Kimi ga Yo</i> during public functions" and cite the URL. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2008-05-11T21:20:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2008-05-11T21:20:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2008-05-11T21:20:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:14:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span>That page uses Shift_JIS-coded character set. If your web browser has Shift_JIS encoder, you can try to correct <a href="/wiki/Mojibake" title="Mojibake">Mojibake</a> by selecting Shift_JIS. The key shortcut for the menu is.... <dl><dd>Windows Internet Explorer 6 / 7: [Alt ][V][D]</dd> <dd>Firefox 1.5 / 2.0: [Alt ][V][C]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Griffin, you had better at least say "written in Japanese" when you set a link to a Japanese page on an English page. Even IE 7 for Japanese installed to Windows XP (on my PC) failed to encode that page, resulting in <a href="/wiki/Mojibake" title="Mojibake">Mojibake</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dumpty-Humpty" title="User:Dumpty-Humpty">Dumpty-Humpty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dumpty-Humpty" title="User talk:Dumpty-Humpty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:14:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:14:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:14:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span>Back to the subject, well, I think we cannot expect the present Emperor to sing <i>Kimi ga Yo</i> especially at official peace memorial ceremonies in August, because this anthem has history of being used by militarists with propaganda to inspire people to 'war for the Emperor' in early <i>Shōwa</i> period. Don't you know that the present Emperor, for example, had memorial foreign visits to former battlefields including one called "<i>Banzai</i> Cliff"? And, I remember the late Emperor Shōwa acted faithfully both to the pacific constitution (平和憲法) and the Imperial House Law (皇室典範). Besides, Emperor of Japan customarily doesn't use in public honorific words, like traditional "<i>kimi</i>" in <i>Kimi ga Yo</i>. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Dumpty-Humpty" title="User:Dumpty-Humpty">Dumpty-Humpty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dumpty-Humpty" title="User talk:Dumpty-Humpty">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dumpty-Humpty" title="Special:Contributions/Dumpty-Humpty">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-05-11T11:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry to have failed to mention that Wayback Machine of <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a> has an unfavorable feature. The machine always incorrectly tells your browser that the char-set of the document is utf-8, no matter what it really is. So you need to set the char-set manually every time you get a non-alphabetical document.</dd> <dd>Now Back to the subject. The point I think to be mentioned in wikipedia about Kimi ga yo is that "Kimi ga yo is the anthem that the head of the state never sings." or "Kimi ga yo is the anthem not to be sung by the head of the state." I think this fact implies much and is very important. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Griffin_in_a_Door&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Griffin in a Door (page does not exist)">Griffin in a Door</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Griffin_in_a_Door" title="User talk:Griffin in a Door">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z-Dumpty-Humpty-2008-05-12T15:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2008-07-04T07:05:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z"></span>Honestly, now that I think about it, it is not important to add. So what if a head of state doesn't sing their national hymn. It happens a lot, so I don't think it is worthy to add. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2008-07-04T07:05:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2008-07-04T07:05:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2008-07-04T07:05:00.000Z-Griffin_in_a_Door-2008-07-04T05:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPOV" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPOV-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPOV-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z"></span>NPOV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPOV-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: NPOV"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nvgton-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z-NPOV"></span>This article seems a bit NPOV. Granted, I feel criticism should be included, but it seems like it was written with the sole purpose to weasel-word in piles of criticism. It's like writing five sections on the imperialism of "God save the Queen," or the Star Spangled Banner, which has had controversy over baseball fans being arrested for going to the bathroom during the song. Each of those much larger articles has no controversy section, so the large and pretty irrelevant criticism sections seem disproportionate. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nvgton&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nvgton (page does not exist)">Nvgton</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nvgton&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Nvgton (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Nvgton-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z-NPOV" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nvgton-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z-NPOV"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nvgton-2008-11-13T04:32:00.000Z-NPOV"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation?-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"><span id="Translation.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation?-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"></span>Translation?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation?-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Translation?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z-Translation?"></span>The <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%90%9B%E3%81%8C%E4%BB%A3" class="extiw" title="ja:君が代">Japanese page</a> gives the translation as:<br/> A thousand years of happy life be thine!<br/> Live on,my Lord, till what are pebbles now,<br/> By age united,to great rocks shall grow,<br/> Whose venerable sides the moss doth line.<br/> But this page gives it as:<br/> May your reign<br/> Continue for a thousand, eight thousand generations,<br/> Until the pebbles<br/> Grow into boulders<br/> Lush with moss<br/> And the Japanese page gives it [in Kanji and Kana] as:<br/> 君が代は<br/> 千代に八千代に<br/> さざれ石の<br/> 巌（いわお）となりて<br/> 苔（こけ）のむすまで<br/> While this page gives it as (which appears to be correct per the government page):<br/> 君が代は<br/> 千代に八千代に<br/> さざれ石の<br/> いわおとなりて<br/> こけのむすまで<br/> Could someone give a more accurate translation to either the Japanese page or this one? <b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Moocowsrule" title="Special:Contributions/Moocowsrule"><span style="color:black">moo</span><span style="background:black;color:#FDF5E6">cows</span><span style="color:black">rule</span></a></b><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moocowsrule" title="User talk:Moocowsrule"><span style="color:black">talk to moo</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z-Translation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z-Translation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z-Translation?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exploding_Boy-2009-05-09T02:41:00.000Z-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"></span>Whether this is more accurate is debatable, but it's more literal: <dl><dd>May your reign last</dd> <dd>1000 years; for eternity</dd> <dd>Until the pebbles</dd> <dd>Become boulders</dd> <dd>Covered with moss</dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Exploding_Boy" title="User:Exploding Boy">Exploding Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Exploding_Boy" title="User talk:Exploding Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Exploding_Boy-2009-05-09T02:41:00.000Z-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exploding_Boy-2009-05-09T02:41:00.000Z-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exploding_Boy-2009-05-09T02:41:00.000Z-Moocowsrule-2009-02-03T05:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DTRY-2009-06-12T18:30:00.000Z-Translation?"></span>May your reign continue for a thousand, eight thousand generations,</i></dd></dl> <p>Can this sentence be translated as "for infinite generations", "forever" or "for all eternity" (like the one above)? According to the <a href="/wiki/Kami" title="Kami">Kami</a> page, in Japanese the number "eight million" (八百万) is often used to imply infinity. And a thousand of eight thousand is <i>exactly</i> eight millions. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DTRY" title="User:DTRY">DTRY</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DTRY" title="User talk:DTRY">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-DTRY-2009-06-12T18:30:00.000Z-Translation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DTRY-2009-06-12T18:30:00.000Z-Translation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DTRY-2009-06-12T18:30:00.000Z-Translation?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Changing_the_article's_title" data-mw-thread-id="h-Changing_the_article's_title-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"><span id="Changing_the_article.27s_title"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Changing_the_article's_title-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"></span>Changing the article's title<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Changing_the_article's_title-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Changing the article's title"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z-Changing_the_article's_title"></span>I suggest we change the title to "Kimigayo" as it is spelled in <i>Japan, An Illustrated Encyclopedia</i>, Kodansha Ltd., 1993, p. 780 or in most Japanese English-language newspapers, f. ex. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20060923a2.html">[3]</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/2-teachers-punished-for-refusing-to-stand-up-recite-kimigayo">[4]</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mycomp" title="User:Mycomp">Mycomp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mycomp" title="User talk:Mycomp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z-Changing_the_article's_title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z-Changing_the_article's_title"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z-Changing_the_article's_title"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2009-05-08T20:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"></span>I am not certain why this title was used, unless it had something to deal with the kanji used in the title. I'm not particular bent on what title is used; I just want to be sure we get it right. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2009-05-08T20:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2009-05-08T20:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2009-05-08T20:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"></span>It's at this title because it's three words, not one. "Kimi" is a pronoun, "ga" is a particle, and "Yo" is a noun. <a href="/wiki/Kimigayo" title="Kimigayo">Kimigayo</a> already redirects here, too. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-06T07:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z"></span>Ah, that explains it. Then, keep it at this title please. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2009-05-08T21:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, but the "kimi" in Kimigayo is not a pronoun, it is a 名詞 (noun), meaning "ruler", "sovereign". And why do you think the sources I mentioned above write it in one word? Because Kimigayo is simply the romanization of 君が代 not of 君　が　代. In Japanese, unlike in English, words are not separated, and Kimigayo is not English it is just the romanized version of the Japanese title. <i>Japan, An Illustrated Encyclopedia</i> uses "Kimigayo", The Japan Times does, Donald Keene does, Reischauer does, The Daily Yomiuri does, The Japan Times does, Asahi.com. does, etc. Google (I know, it is not always the best source) has 65.800 for "Kimigayo", and 23.500 for "Kimi ga yo". Which authoritative sources, if I may ask, do you have for "Kimi ga Yo" being the correct romanized spelling? (Why capital Y, by the way?)--<a href="/wiki/User:Mycomp" title="User:Mycomp">Mycomp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mycomp" title="User talk:Mycomp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T04:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z"></span>My bad, that's what I meant. Noun. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T04:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T04:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T04:54:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T07:04:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z"></span>There are a lot of places that use all sorts of romanizations which we don't here (such as "syo" instead of "sho"). We have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS-JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS-JA">manual of Style</a> on purpose, to cover instances such as this. It specifically says to romanize a word using capitalization rules used in English. "Yo" is a noun, and therefore it is capitalized in the title. If you have an issue with how romanization is done on Wikipedia, then you need to take the discussion to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MOS-JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MOS-JA">WT:MOS-JA</a>. ···<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe"><span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Help:Japanese" title="Help:Japanese">?</a> · <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihonjoe" title="User talk:Nihonjoe">Talk to Nihonjoe</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T07:04:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T07:04:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2009-05-18T07:04:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-18T04:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z"></span>I give/gave you several reliable sources where the spelling is "Kimigayo", like the 12.000-article <i>Japan, An Illustrated Encyclopedia</i> (with advisors such as <a href="/wiki/Donald_Keene" title="Donald Keene">Donald Keene</a>, <a href="/wiki/Edwin_Reischauer" class="mw-redirect" title="Edwin Reischauer">Edwin Reischauer</a>, <a href="/wiki/Eleanor_Jorden" title="Eleanor Jorden">Eleanor Jorden</a> etc.), the Japanese Foreign Ministry <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://web-japan.org/factsheet/pdf/11NFlagAnthem.pdf">[5]</a>, The Japan Times <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20080329a3.html">[6]</a>, the BBC <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3632699.stm">[7]</a>, The Daily Yomiuri <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/columns/commentary/20080924dy01.htm">[8]</a>, Asahi.com <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.asahi.com/english/column/TKY200406290214.html">[9]</a> The Japan Policy Research Institute <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp79.html">[10]</a> etc. What are your reliable sources for the "Kimi ga Yo" spelling, except for the Manual of style? Why is it then not "Hi no Maru" but <a href="/wiki/Hinomaru" class="mw-redirect" title="Hinomaru">Hinomaru</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Mycomp" title="User:Mycomp">Mycomp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mycomp" title="User talk:Mycomp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z-Zscout370-2009-05-09T00:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z"></span>Still waiting for an answer to why it is <a href="/wiki/Hinomaru" class="mw-redirect" title="Hinomaru">Hinomaru</a> but <a href="/wiki/Kimi_ga_Yo" class="mw-redirect" title="Kimi ga Yo">Kimi ga Yo</a>. And BTW, I couldn't find where in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS-JA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS-JA">manual of Style</a> it says that <i>Kimi ga Yo</i> would be the correct way to write 君が代. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mycomp" title="User:Mycomp">Mycomp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mycomp" title="User talk:Mycomp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-05-22T00:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2009-10-06T07:34:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z"></span>Since nothing happened, I just moved the page. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2009-10-06T07:34:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2009-10-06T07:34:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2009-10-06T07:34:00.000Z-Mycomp-2009-10-06T06:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comment-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comment-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z"></span>Comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comment-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z-Comment"></span>I made some changes to this p[age a month or so ago and I note that they have now been removed. I have a photo copy of the original notation for Kimigayo as it was written by Akimori Hayashi. It is part of a large collection of songs written by the court musicians (Gagaku) and predates Fenton's et als version. I included a copy of the original notation but I see now that this has been removed. I don't understand why. I spent several years in Japan studying Gagaku and this where I first learned of this history. I would like to know on what basis my entry was removed. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.219.187.95" title="Special:Contributions/72.219.187.95">72.219.187.95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:72.219.187.95" title="User talk:72.219.187.95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z-Comment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a>Robert Garfias<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z-Comment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z-Comment"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2010-11-24T06:21:00.000Z-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z"></span>The edit and link was removed at <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kimigayo&diff=next&oldid=385390358">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kimigayo&diff=next&oldid=385390358</a>, which was the next edit. As for why, I have no clue. I am looking at the link and see what I can pull from that. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2010-11-24T06:21:00.000Z-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2010-11-24T06:21:00.000Z-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2010-11-24T06:21:00.000Z-72.219.187.95-2010-11-22T12:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Readings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Readings-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Readings-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"></span>Readings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Readings-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Readings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z-Readings"></span>Is it a coincidence that there are no Sino-Japanese words in the anthem, or was that the intention for the country's anthem? All the words are 和語 instead of 漢語, which seems atypical for Japanese: was that a hallmark of writing during the Heian period, even though <a href="/wiki/Heian_period" title="Heian period">"Chinese influences were at their height"</a>?<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Ulmanor" title="User:Ulmanor">Ulmanor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ulmanor" title="User talk:Ulmanor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z-Readings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z-Readings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z-Readings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2011-07-07T00:32:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"></span>I honestly have no clue (and I agree with your edit). <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2011-07-07T00:32:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2011-07-07T00:32:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2011-07-07T00:32:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-61.213.84.139-2013-02-11T15:33:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"></span>In 古今和歌集, it's common. Kimigayo is not an exception.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/61.213.84.139" title="Special:Contributions/61.213.84.139">61.213.84.139</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:61.213.84.139&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:61.213.84.139 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-61.213.84.139-2013-02-11T15:33:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-61.213.84.139-2013-02-11T15:33:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-61.213.84.139-2013-02-11T15:33:00.000Z-Ulmanor-2011-07-06T23:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adopted_in_1888?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adopted_in_1888?-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z"><span id="Adopted_in_1888.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adopted_in_1888?-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Adopted in 1888?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adopted_in_1888?-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Adopted in 1888?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?"></span>The Richard Boyd/Tak-Wing Ngo footnote says that the anthem was adopted in 1888, but the text often says that the anthem was adopted for the first time in 1999. I'm wondering where the discrepancy lies, was it adopted in 1888 and formally abolished after WWII, only to be readopted in 1999? Was it only adopted as an imperial anthem (the anthem of the emperor) in 1888? Or did nothing at all happen in 1888 to the status of the anthem and Boyd/Ngo are mistaken? What exactly transpired in 1888?--<a href="/wiki/User:Canuckguy" title="User:Canuckguy">Canuckguy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Canuckguy" title="User talk:Canuckguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:10:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?"></span>Just going to the Japanese version of the page says "対外正式公布" next to 1888 in the Japanese info box, but I don't know enough Japanese to get a good handle on what that means. (Google translate says "promulgated official foreign", but that doesn't really tell me what that means as to what the status of the anthem was at the time.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Canuckguy" title="User:Canuckguy">Canuckguy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Canuckguy" title="User talk:Canuckguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z-Adopted_in_1888?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z"></span>Give me some time and I will get you what I know and what I wrote. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z-Canuckguy-2013-02-01T19:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zscout370-2013-02-02T02:45:00.000Z-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z"></span>The song was adopted for use as the national anthem when it comes to diplomatic ceremonies in 1888, so that is where one of the official adoption dates go. In the 1890's, the song was used in school ceremonies as the anthem but there was no official anthem until the passage of the 1999 law. There were times that other songs that were treated as anthems, but were not the anthems of a state until later. This was the case for the Star Spangled Banner. <a href="/wiki/User:Zscout370" title="User:Zscout370">User:Zscout370</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zscout370" title="User talk:Zscout370">(Return Fire)</a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Zscout370-2013-02-02T02:45:00.000Z-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zscout370-2013-02-02T02:45:00.000Z-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zscout370-2013-02-02T02:45:00.000Z-Zscout370-2013-02-01T22:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removal_of_parody_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removal_of_parody_section-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removal_of_parody_section-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z"></span>Removal of parody section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removal_of_parody_section-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Removal of parody section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-212.23.103.20-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z-Removal_of_parody_section"></span>Good day, </p><p>would it be possible if the parody section could be removed? </p><p>The Wikipedia page is about a national anthem, and with a national anthem you also link a bit of respect. When you have in an international encyclopedia the description of the national anthem of Japan that includes an unimportant parody section, then it takes a bit the integrity and seriosity of the meaning away. </p><p>Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.23.103.20" title="Special:Contributions/212.23.103.20">212.23.103.20</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:212.23.103.20&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:212.23.103.20 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-212.23.103.20-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z-Removal_of_parody_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-212.23.103.20-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z-Removal_of_parody_section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-212.23.103.20-2013-06-05T20:16:00.000Z-Removal_of_parody_section"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Key" data-mw-thread-id="h-Key-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Key-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z"></span>Key<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Key-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Key"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.93.173.72-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z-Key"></span>The reference to the key supposedly being C major said no such thing, and the sheet music doesn't indicate this in any way either. The melody is on the Dorian mode, but without a (minor or major) third. If anyone has a more accurate edit to make, feel free to make the necessary corrections. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.93.173.72" title="Special:Contributions/72.93.173.72">72.93.173.72</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.93.173.72&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.93.173.72 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-72.93.173.72-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z-Key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.93.173.72-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z-Key"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.93.173.72-2013-07-15T23:34:00.000Z-Key"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_just_had_to_add_a_Controversy_Section._It’s_just_too_related_to_the_Kimigayo." data-mw-thread-id="h-I_just_had_to_add_a_Controversy_Section._It’s_just_too_related_to_the_Kimigayo-2015-02-15T19:35:00.000Z"><span id="I_just_had_to_add_a_Controversy_Section._It.E2.80.99s_just_too_related_to_the_Kimigayo."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_just_had_to_add_a_Controversy_Section._It’s_just_too_related_to_the_Kimigayo-2015-02-15T19:35:00.000Z"></span>I just had to add a Controversy Section. It’s just too related to the Kimigayo.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_just_had_to_add_a_Controversy_Section._It’s_just_too_related_to_the_Kimigayo-2015-02-15T19:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: I just had to add a Controversy Section. It’s just too related to the Kimigayo."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HanSangYoon-2015-02-15T19:35:00.000Z-I_just_had_to_add_a_Controversy_Section._It’s_just_too_related_to_the_Kimigayo"></span>The Japanese national anthem “Kimigayo” (君が代) is well-known that it caused controversy not only among Chinese and Koreans but also inside Japan. 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Please clarify. <a href="/wiki/User:Autodidact1" title="User:Autodidact1">Autodidact1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Autodidact1" title="User talk:Autodidact1">talk</a>) 00:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC) Deleted sentence; rewrite and clarify. <a href="/wiki/User:Autodidact1" title="User:Autodidact1">Autodidact1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Autodidact1" title="User talk:Autodidact1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Autodidact1-2019-08-13T00:20:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 13 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Autodidact1-2019-08-13T00:20:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Autodidact1-2019-08-13T00:20:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Autodidact1-2019-08-20T16:51:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?"></span>The use of "slated" is colloquial, specific to British English, and it's vulgar; that's why I deleted the sentence. Wikipedia is not the place for colloquial British English. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/slated">https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/slated</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Autodidact1" title="User:Autodidact1">Autodidact1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Autodidact1" title="User talk:Autodidact1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Autodidact1-2019-08-20T16:51:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Autodidact1-2019-08-20T16:51:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Autodidact1-2019-08-20T16:51:00.000Z-What_is_"slated"_supposed_to_mean_in_this_sentence?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_confirmation_of_translation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_confirmation_of_translation-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_confirmation_of_translation-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z"></span>Need confirmation of translation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_confirmation_of_translation-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kimigayo&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Need confirmation of translation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z-Need_confirmation_of_translation"></span>The second line, "千代に八千代に" should be more accurately translated as "For ever and ever" or "for eternity". Is it correct? <a href="/wiki/User:Pichnat_Thong" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pichnat Thong">Pichnat Thong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pichnat_Thong" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pichnat Thong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z-Need_confirmation_of_translation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z-Need_confirmation_of_translation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z-Need_confirmation_of_translation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-115.84.95.19-20221103021200-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z"></span>No. "千代に八千代に" literally means ("For 1,000 years to 8,000 years"). <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/115.84.95.19" title="Special:Contributions/115.84.95.19">115.84.95.19</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:115.84.95.19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:115.84.95.19 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kimigayo#c-115.84.95.19-20221103021200-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-115.84.95.19-20221103021200-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-115.84.95.19-20221103021200-Pichnat_Thong-2020-03-03T11:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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