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class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Time to move around hydrogen</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#One_billionth_of_one_billionth"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">One billionth of one billionth</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Senseless_repetition"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Senseless repetition</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Overhaul"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Overhaul</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Requested_move"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Requested move</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Survey"><span class="tocnumber">5.1</span> <span class="toctext">Survey</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-7"><a href="#Physical_Nonsense"><span class="tocnumber">5.2</span> <span class="toctext">Physical Nonsense</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Why_List-class?"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Why List-class?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Correct_Simple_Wikipedia?"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Correct Simple Wikipedia?</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Time_to_move_around_hydrogen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z"></span>Time to move around hydrogen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Time to move around hydrogen" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-27' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:58:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen">14 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"></span>I'll remove </p><p>"24 attoseconds - the time taken for an electron to travel from one side of a hydrogen atom to the other" </p><p>This statement, while cited to a news service, seems somewhat senseless. What it refers to is the <a href="/wiki/Atomic_unit" class="mw-redirect" title="Atomic unit">atomic unit</a> of time which: </p><p><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \delta t\approx {\frac {\hbar }{\mathrm {E} }}\approx 24}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mi>δ</mi> <mi>t</mi> <mo>≈</mo> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mfrac> <mi class="MJX-variant">ℏ</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="normal">E</mi> </mrow> </mfrac> </mrow> <mo>≈</mo> <mn>24</mn> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \delta t\approx {\frac {\hbar }{\mathrm {E} }}\approx 24}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><noscript><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/73ddfaf43923c6565a0e685d308c2c05ee3920ca" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.838ex; width:12.829ex; height:5.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \delta t\approx {\frac {\hbar }{\mathrm {E} }}\approx 24}"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 12.829ex;height: 5.343ex;vertical-align: -1.838ex;" data-src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/73ddfaf43923c6565a0e685d308c2c05ee3920ca" data-alt="{\displaystyle \delta t\approx {\frac {\hbar }{\mathrm {E} }}\approx 24}" data-class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert"> </span></span> attoseconds </p><p>Where E is the <a href="/wiki/Hartree_energy" class="mw-redirect" title="Hartree energy">Hartree energy</a>. </p><p>The only way to detect "position" is to decohere the electron.. ie scatter off it. But if you scatter off the electron, you impart it with momentum... One can talk about characteristic uncertenty in time associated with the ground state hydrogen atom, but that's it. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:IlyaV" title="User:IlyaV">IlyaV</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IlyaV" title="User talk:IlyaV">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:37:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:58:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"></span>PS: I added <a href="/wiki/Atomic_unit" class="mw-redirect" title="Atomic unit">atomic unit</a> of time to the list... so I guess I remove one I add one :) <a href="/wiki/User:IlyaV" title="User:IlyaV">IlyaV</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IlyaV" title="User talk:IlyaV">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:58:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:58:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IlyaV-2010-05-14T05:58:00.000Z-Time_to_move_around_hydrogen"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="One_billionth_of_one_billionth" data-mw-thread-id="h-One_billionth_of_one_billionth"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-One_billionth_of_one_billionth"></span>One billionth of one billionth<span data-mw-comment-end="h-One_billionth_of_one_billionth"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: One billionth of one billionth" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-28' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p>Wouldn't it be better to title this article "attosecond"? Instead of scientific notation? (Not that many people grok SN.) </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Senseless_repetition" data-mw-thread-id="h-Senseless_repetition-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Senseless_repetition-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z"></span>Senseless repetition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Senseless_repetition-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Senseless repetition" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-29' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tomhosking-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z-Senseless_repetition">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tomhosking-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z-Senseless_repetition"></span>320 attoseconds – estimated time it takes electrons to hop between atoms</li> <li>640 attoseconds – twice the estimated time it takes electrons to hop between atoms</li></ol> <p>Is it just me or is this pointless? <a href="/wiki/User:Tomhosking" title="User:Tomhosking">Tomhosking</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomhosking" title="User talk:Tomhosking">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Tomhosking-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z-Senseless_repetition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tomhosking-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z-Senseless_repetition"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tomhosking-2008-02-25T21:17:00.000Z-Senseless_repetition"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Overhaul" data-mw-thread-id="h-Overhaul-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Overhaul-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Overhaul<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Overhaul-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Overhaul" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-30' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:26:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z">15 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z-Overhaul"></span>I made some relatively large edits. I hope I have improved the quality of the stub.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SpaceManDoom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SpaceManDoom (page does not exist)">SpaceManDoom</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SpaceManDoom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:SpaceManDoom (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z-Overhaul" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z-Overhaul"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z-Overhaul"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WFPM-2009-08-06T13:23:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Wouldn.t the fact that you can create a visual use photon in a few attoseconds be an argument in favor of light being particulate? Because the amount of energy contained in an attosecond's length of an electromagnetic wave would be practically zero. <a href="/wiki/User:WFPM" title="User:WFPM">WFPM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WFPM" title="User talk:WFPM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-WFPM-2009-08-06T13:23:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WFPM-2009-08-06T13:23:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WFPM-2009-08-06T13:23:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:10:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Since the velocity of light is 10E10.5 cm/sec, a 10E-18s time period only allows a motion distance of 10E-7.5cm/attosecond, which is only a few atomic diameters. Boy!! Talk about close up viewing!!.<a href="/wiki/User:WFPM" title="User:WFPM">WFPM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WFPM" title="User talk:WFPM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:10:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:10:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:10:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:26:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Asimov was concerned with the time involved for an atom to react to a nearby fast neutron, and he created a time interval he called a "Chronon" which was the time for light to travel a distance of 1 fermi (10E-13cm). This time interval was thus 10E-23.5s, so there are smaller time intervals.<a href="/wiki/User:WFPM" title="User:WFPM">WFPM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WFPM" title="User talk:WFPM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:26:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:26:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WFPM-2009-08-08T20:26:00.000Z-SpaceManDoom-2008-09-12T22:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Requested_move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Requested move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Requested move" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-31' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jimw338-2021-07-01T20:07:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>15 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>9 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <div class="boilerplate mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2009-09-08T09:38:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the proposal was <b>move all</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User:Anthony Appleyard">Anthony Appleyard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User talk:Anthony Appleyard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Anthony_Appleyard-2009-09-08T09:38:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2009-09-08T09:38:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2009-09-08T09:38:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span><br> <a href="/wiki/1_E-18_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-18 s"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>1 E-18 s</a> → <a href="/wiki/Attosecond" title="Attosecond">Attosecond</a> — "Attosecond" is a well known SI unit, and a word. <a href="/wiki/User:Wnt" title="User:Wnt">Wnt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wnt" title="User talk:Wnt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move-1"></span>The title in exponential notation is also recognizable, but could be written in many slightly different ways, and it really is a mathematical formula (1 <i>times</i> ten <i>to the</i> -18) plus an abbreviation ("s" for seconds). There are some other pages in this format - in the See Also links the 10^-19 page is still active, but the 10^-15 page has been redirected to <a href="/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(time)" title="Orders of magnitude (time)">orders of magnitude (time)</a>. I strongly believe that attoseconds deserve their own page because it is a place to compare quantities and (one hopes with further development) tools and techniques for measurement. That can be done if the page is about a notable SI unit "attosecond", but eventually someone would challenge the idea of having a page for every real number of seconds. </p><p>I should note that I think this move shouldn't be controversial, but I wasn't sure - I'd have moved it myself but a separate article at <a href="/wiki/Attosecond" title="Attosecond">Attosecond</a> was merged into this one previously. I don't want to just merge back the opposite direction because this has the longer edit history. <a href="/wiki/User:Wnt" title="User:Wnt">Wnt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wnt" title="User talk:Wnt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move-1"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wnt-2009-08-27T21:30:00.000Z-Requested_move-1"></span> </p><p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>Note</b>: The following page moves have been added to the request. The same reasoning applies for all. <a href="/wiki/User:Jafeluv" title="User:Jafeluv">Jafeluv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jafeluv" title="User talk:Jafeluv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/1_E-15_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-15 s">1 E-15 s</a> → <a href="/wiki/Femtosecond" title="Femtosecond">Femtosecond</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/1_E-12_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-12 s">1 E-12 s</a> → <a href="/wiki/Picosecond" title="Picosecond">Picosecond</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/1_E-9_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-9 s">1 E-9 s</a> → <a href="/wiki/Nanosecond" title="Nanosecond">Nanosecond</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/1_E-6_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-6 s">1 E-6 s</a> → <a href="/wiki/Microsecond" title="Microsecond">Microsecond</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survey-Requested_move-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survey-Requested_move-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z"></span>Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survey-Requested_move-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Survey" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> </div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ohms_law-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with</i> <code>*'''Support'''</code> <i>or</i> <code>*'''Oppose'''</code><i>, then sign your comment with</i> <code>~~~~</code><i>. Since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Polling_is_not_a_substitute_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion">polling is not a substitute for discussion</a>, please explain your reasons, taking into account <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions">Wikipedia's naming conventions</a>.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Support</b> — I think that this is a simple clarity issue, personally. "Attosecond" is an actual word, after all... barring the citation of any guidelines or other information that would suggest that this is a bad idea, the reasoning supplied in the proposal is certainly sound.<br>— <a href="/wiki/User:Ohms_law" title="User:Ohms law"><span class="texhtml"><i>V</i> = <i>I</i> * <i>R</i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ohms_law" title="User talk:Ohms law">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Ohms_law-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ohms_law-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ohms_law-2009-08-28T04:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kanguole-2009-08-29T12:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Support</b> for clarity, but this is part of a broader issue with <a href="/wiki/1_E-15_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-15 s">1 E-15 s</a>, <a href="/wiki/1_E-12_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-12 s">1 E-12 s</a>, <a href="/wiki/1_E-9_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-9 s">1 E-9 s</a> and <a href="/wiki/1_E-6_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-6 s">1 E-6 s</a> (which I think should all be moved similarly). <a href="/wiki/1_E-3_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-3 s">1 E-3 s</a> already redirects to <a href="/wiki/Millisecond" title="Millisecond">Millisecond</a>. There is even <a href="/wiki/1_E0_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E0 s">1 E0 s</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kanguole" title="User talk:Kanguole">Kanguole</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Kanguole-2009-08-29T12:52:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kanguole-2009-08-29T12:52:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kanguole-2009-08-29T12:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Support</b> moving all pages to (prefix)second format. Our article names should be optimized for a general audience instead of specialists. <a href="/wiki/User:Jafeluv" title="User:Jafeluv">Jafeluv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jafeluv" title="User talk:Jafeluv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z-Survey"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. Turning this into a multi-move would be a good idea.<br>— <a href="/wiki/User:Ohms_law" title="User:Ohms law"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml"><i>V</i> = <i>I</i> * <i>R</i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ohms_law" title="User talk:Ohms law">talk to Ω</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T00:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jafeluv" title="User:Jafeluv">Jafeluv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jafeluv" title="User talk:Jafeluv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T11:11:00.000Z-Ohms_law-2009-08-30T02:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Parsecboy-2009-08-30T17:28:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Support</b> - I had no idea what <a href="/wiki/1_E-18_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E-18 s">1 E-18 s</a> meant when I saw this move request. Even without knowing what specific number atto refers to off the top of my head, I can tell that an attosecond is a very small measurement of time. For that reason alone (i.e., accessability to non-experts) the page should be moved. <a href="/wiki/User:Parsecboy" title="User:Parsecboy">Parsecboy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Parsecboy" title="User talk:Parsecboy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Parsecboy-2009-08-30T17:28:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Parsecboy-2009-08-30T17:28:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Parsecboy-2009-08-30T17:28:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T20:35:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Comment</b>. I've left out the positive orders of magnitude from this move request for now. For a complete list, see <a href="/wiki/Template:Ordersofmagnitudeseconds" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ordersofmagnitudeseconds">Template:Ordersofmagnitudeseconds</a> <small>(whose creator needs to be informed that our naming conventions do not forbid the use of spacebars in template names, by the way)</small>. Some of these cases are more complicated (like <a href="/wiki/1_E0_s" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E0 s">1 E0 s</a>, which is just one <a href="/wiki/Second" title="Second">second</a>), so filing a separate request for them would seem best. The ones listed are in my opinion the less controversial ones. <a href="/wiki/User:Jafeluv" title="User:Jafeluv">Jafeluv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jafeluv" title="User talk:Jafeluv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T20:35:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T20:35:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jafeluv-2009-08-30T20:35:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Good_Olfactory-2009-08-31T05:38:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Support</b> move. I would support the other exponential ones being moved as well to the appropriate English-language name. <a href="/wiki/User:Good_Olfactory" title="User:Good Olfactory">Good Ol’factory</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Good_Olfactory" title="User talk:Good Olfactory">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Good_Olfactory-2009-08-31T05:38:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Good_Olfactory-2009-08-31T05:38:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Good_Olfactory-2009-08-31T05:38:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wnt-2009-09-02T17:56:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Comment</b>. While doing some revision on the four articles listed above to stand under their own names, I came to realize that this system of articles for powers of ten is very widespread - not just seconds, but meters, hertz --- there's even a large article <a href="/wiki/1_E%2B5_m%C2%B2" class="mw-redirect" title="1 E+5 m²">1 E+5 m²</a>, for example. And many of these articles are going to have complicated merge histories, some having been merged and recreated multiple times. It is going to take a WikiProject to figure out what to do with all this stuff. <a href="/wiki/User:Wnt" title="User:Wnt">Wnt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wnt" title="User talk:Wnt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Wnt-2009-09-02T17:56:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wnt-2009-09-02T17:56:00.000Z-Survey"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wnt-2009-09-02T17:56:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Physical_Nonsense" data-mw-thread-id="h-Physical_Nonsense-Requested_move-2009-10-18T03:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Physical_Nonsense-Requested_move-2009-10-18T03:40:00.000Z"></span>Physical Nonsense<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Physical_Nonsense-Requested_move-2009-10-18T03:40:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Physical Nonsense" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-129.107.227.215-2009-10-18T03:40:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense"></span>I just removed </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>150 attoseconds – the time it takes for an electron to circle the nucleus of an atom.<sup id="cite_ref-multiref1_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-multiref1-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>since this is physical nonsense. In the case that the nucleus is HUGE, and the electron is valence, there may be an argument that this makes sense. There must be some mention of the size for this to <i>possibly</i> be sensible. Otherwise, the electron isn't moving!!!!!. /childish-annoyance-at-implicitly-broad-use-of-Bohr-model <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.107.227.215" title="Special:Contributions/129.107.227.215">129.107.227.215</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:129.107.227.215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:129.107.227.215 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-129.107.227.215-2009-10-18T03:40:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-129.107.227.215-2009-10-18T03:40:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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.citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080910175109/http://www.atto.fysik.lth.se/video/pressrelen.pdf">"Electron filmed for first time ever"</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span>. 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Archived from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.atto.fysik.lth.se/video/pressrelen.pdf">the original</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span> on 2008-09-10.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=unknown&rft.btitle=Electron+filmed+for+first+time+ever&rft.pub=Lunds+Universitet&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atto.fysik.lth.se%2Fvideo%2Fpressrelen.pdf&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AAttosecond" class="Z3988"></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Jimw338" title="User:Jimw338">Jimw338</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimw338" title="User talk:Jimw338">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Jimw338-2021-07-01T20:07:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 1 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimw338-2021-07-01T20:07:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jimw338-2021-07-01T20:07:00.000Z-Physical_Nonsense"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Why_List-class?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_List-class?-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z"><span id="Why_List-class.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_List-class?-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z"></span>Why List-class?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_List-class?-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Why List-class?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-32' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Deacon_Vorbis-2019-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Fritzmann2002-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fritzmann2002-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z-Why_List-class?"></span>This may be an odd question, but as I was looking through the level-5 vital articles I noticed this and some other fractions of seconds were marked as list-class articles, when they don't appear to lists. If I'm not mistaken, I should think this article would be a stub or start class, but I don't want to go changing the rating in case there was a reason behind it. If anyone sees this, please ping me if you have an answer, but if not I'm going to change all of these articles to proper ratings. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Fritzmann2002" title="User:Fritzmann2002">Fritzmann2002</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fritzmann2002" title="User talk:Fritzmann2002">T</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Fritzmann2002/My_Contributions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fritzmann2002/My Contributions">c</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Fritzmann2002/sandbox" title="User:Fritzmann2002/sandbox">s</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Fritzmann2002/Tools" title="User:Fritzmann2002/Tools">t</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Fritzmann2002-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z-Why_List-class?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fritzmann2002-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z-Why_List-class?"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement 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href="/wiki/User:Deacon_Vorbis" title="User:Deacon Vorbis">Deacon Vorbis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deacon_Vorbis" title="User talk:Deacon Vorbis">carbon</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deacon_Vorbis" title="Special:Contributions/Deacon Vorbis">videos</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Deacon_Vorbis-2019-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Fritzmann2002-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 8 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deacon_Vorbis-2019-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Fritzmann2002-2019-05-08T01:19:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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id="Correct_Simple_Wikipedia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Correct_Simple_Wikipedia?-2019-12-06T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Correct Simple Wikipedia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Correct_Simple_Wikipedia?-2019-12-06T17:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attosecond&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Correct Simple Wikipedia?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-33' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Deacon_Vorbis-2019-12-06T18:08:00.000Z-Geke-2019-12-06T17:50:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geke-2019-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Correct_Simple_Wikipedia?"></span>Maybe the real culprit is low accuracy, but I guess it would be good if <a class="external text" href="https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attosecond">Simple Wikipedia</a> gave the same info as this article – or vice versa. Right now it reads: </p><p>It takes 1 attosecond for light to travel the length of three hydrogen atoms.--<a href="/wiki/User:Geke" title="User:Geke">Geke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geke" title="User talk:Geke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Attosecond#c-Geke-2019-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Correct_Simple_Wikipedia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geke-2019-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Correct_Simple_Wikipedia?"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" 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