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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">comentaris</span> <ul id="toc-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Béns arquitectònics incorporats al catàleg de Patrimoni de Sitges</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">comentaris</span> <ul id="toc-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Peticions a pàgines protegides</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">comentaris</span> <ul id="toc-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Contingut" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc 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padding-right: 0em;"><div> <table width="100%" style="table-layout: fixed;" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td><div style="margin-right:20px;"> <ul><li>2005: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2005" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2005">1</a></li> <li>2006: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2006_01-06" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2006 01-06">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2006_07-09" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2006 07-09">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2006_10-12" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2006 10-12">3</a></li> <li>2007: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2007_01-03" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2007 01-03">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2007_04-05" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2007 04-05">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2007_06-07" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2007 06-07">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2007_08-09" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2007 08-09">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2007_10-12" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2007 10-12">5</a></li> <li>2008: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2008_01-03" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2008 01-03">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2008_04-06" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2008 04-06">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2008_07-09" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2008 07-09">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2008_10-12" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2008 10-12">4</a></li> <li>2009: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2009_01-03" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2009 01-03">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2009_04-09" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2009 04-09">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/2009_10-12" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/2009 10-12">3</a></li></ul> </div> </td> <td><div style="margin-right: 20px;"> <ul><li>2010: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_1" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 1">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_2" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 2">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_3" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 3">3</a></li> <li>2011: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_4" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 4">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_5" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 5">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_6" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 6">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_7" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 7">4</a></li> <li>2012: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_8" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 8">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_9" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 9">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_10" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 10">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_11" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 11">4</a></li> <li>2013: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_12" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 12">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_13" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 13">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_14" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 14">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_15" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 15">4</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_16" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 16">5</a></li> <li>2014: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_17" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 17">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_18" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 18">2</a></li></ul> </div> </td> <td><div style="margin-right: 20px;"> <ul><li>2015: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_19" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 19">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_20" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 20">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_21" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 21">3</a></li> <li>2016-2022: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Fitxer_de_Discussions_Estructurades_1" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Fitxer de Discussions Estructurades 1">Flow</a></li> <li>2023: <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop/Arxiu_21" title="Usuari Discussió:Vriullop/Arxiu 21">1</a></li></ul> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </th></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 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We have recently relaunched our efforts and invite you to <a class="external text" href="https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/index.php">join the new process</a>. Let me know if you have questions. Best <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Doc_James" title="Usuari:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Doc_James" title="Usuari Discussió:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Especial:Contribucions/Doc_James" title="Especial:Contribucions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Especial:Envia_missatge/Doc_James" title="Especial:Envia missatge/Doc James">email</a>) 12:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240331062600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-conjunci\u00f3_o-20240331062600","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunci\u00f3_o"],"text":"conjunci\u00f3 o","linkableTitle":"conjunci\u00f3 o"}--><h2 id="conjunció_o" data-mw-thread-id="h-conjunció_o-20240331062600"><span id="conjunci.C3.B3_o"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-conjunció_o-20240331062600"></span>conjunció o<span data-mw-comment-end="h-conjunció_o-20240331062600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=2" title="Modifica la secció: conjunció o"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240331062600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-conjunci\u00f3_o-20240331062600","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunci\u00f3_o"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200","timestamp":"20240331155100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240331062600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-conjunci\u00f3_o-20240331062600","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunci\u00f3_o"],"text":"conjunci\u00f3 o","linkableTitle":"conjunci\u00f3 o"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunció_o"></span>Benvolgut, després de perdre 2 hores cercant una cosa que ja m'has respost abans (més d'un cop...), torno a recórrer a la teva saviesa, memòria o organització en els teus apunts, per saber: "quin és el missatge mediawiki de la conjunció o, or, ou,...." ?. Prometo afegir-ho a la doc de wikidades, de les infotaules i als meus apunts a veure si la propera vegada soc més afortunat cercant. Gràcies ! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunció_o" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 31 març 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunció_o"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331062600","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunci\u00f3_o","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240331063900-Amadalvarez-20240331062600"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240331062600-conjunció_o"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240331063900-Amadalvarez-20240331062600"></span>Trobat !. {{MediaWiki:Mwe-upwiz-add-flickr-or}} <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240331063900-Amadalvarez-20240331062600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 31 març 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240331063900-Amadalvarez-20240331062600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331063900","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240331063900-Amadalvarez-20240331062600","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240331131200-Amadalvarez-20240331063900"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240331063900-Amadalvarez-20240331062600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240331131200-Amadalvarez-20240331063900"></span>Està documentat en el mòdul, però de fet no l'utilitza. Deu estar en les plantilles. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240331131200-Amadalvarez-20240331063900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 31 març 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240331131200-Amadalvarez-20240331063900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331131200","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240331131200-Amadalvarez-20240331063900","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240331131200-Amadalvarez-20240331063900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200"></span>No serà el que <a href="/wiki/Especial:Diff/33318488" title="Especial:Diff/33318488">he afegit</a> jo aquest matí ?.</dd> <dd>Efectivament no és cosa del mòdul, perquè l'AND és valor per defecte, però l'OR sempre és excepcional. Però com que no recorava el nom, buscava a cegues. L'he trobat a Infotaula persona, que té una mica de tot.</dd> <dd><hr/></dd> <dd>Aprofito el fil per proposar-te un repte. No per fer-ho, sinó per pensar com enfocar la solució.</dd> <dd>Observo que a mida que creixen els usuaris de WD, i ja sigui per raons lingüístiques o per manca de manteniment de items amb significat igual o molt similar, estan creixent el nombre de valors de propietats com la <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P106" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P106">Ocupació <small>(P106)</small></a> o el <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P136" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P136">Gènere <small>(P136)</small></a> que tenen un significat pseudo-repetit. Poso un parell d'exemples: <ul><li><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q275929" class="extiw" title="d:Q275929">Emilia Pardo Bazán <small>(Q275929)</small></a> la llista de professions inclou noms relatius a l'estil, a més del genèric "escriptora". A més a la P136 -en aquest cas- ja hi són els mateixos que apareixien com a especialitat.</li> <li><a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q154269" class="extiw" title="d:Q154269">Aleksei Leónov <small>(Q154269)</small></a> és <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q105550321" class="extiw" title="d:Q105550321">Aviador militar <small>(Q105550321)</small></a> i <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q408832" class="extiw" title="d:Q408832">Aviador militar <small>(Q408832)</small></a> a més de aviador de combat i oficial de la força aèria.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Si descartem actuar sobre les dades de WD, podríem fer alguna "post-producció" de neteja al mostrar-ho a la infotaula. Estic pensant en tenir unes regles i un codi que les apliqui, de forma que sigui fàcil fer <i>tunning</i> i ampliar o refer les regles segons cada cas, sense haver de canviar el codi. En alguns casos podríem treballar amb la idea de si una és subclasse e l'altre, però també en el fet que el text fos igual, o una especificitat d'un altre de genèric.</dd> <dd>Bé, una anada d'olla que he pensat que et podria interessar, ni que sigui com esport.</dd> <dd>Salut ! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 31 març 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331155100","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200","replies":[],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240331155100-Vriullop-20240331131200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tlustulimu-20240409064500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua-20240409064500","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua"],"text":"Technical question about maps and Lua","linkableTitle":"Technical question about maps and Lua"}--><h2 id="Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua" data-mw-thread-id="h-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua-20240409064500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua-20240409064500"></span>Technical question about maps and Lua<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua-20240409064500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=3" title="Modifica la secció: Technical question about maps and Lua"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tlustulimu-20240409064500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua-20240409064500","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700","timestamp":"20240411075600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__11__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tlustulimu-20240409064500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua-20240409064500","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua"],"text":"Technical question about maps and Lua","linkableTitle":"Technical question about maps and Lua"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua"></span>Hola, Vriullop. I am chiefly active in the Esperanto Wikipedia, but I visite your Wikipedia now and again, above all if I search again ideas for templates and Lua-modules. - In a template is used <code>{{#tag:mapframe:</code>. But the code with <code>{{#if:</code> around it is partly unusable, so that now the maps are used only, if the topic in the article is railway line in Czechia (Q213) and Slovakia (Q214). The topic is the template <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Cablono:Informkesto_fervojlinio" class="extiw" title="eo:Ŝablono:Informkesto fervojlinio">eo:Ŝablono:Informkesto fervojlinio</a>. Furthermore in the code block is used a not complete documented Lua-module (<i>wikidata2</i>, from the czech Wikipedia). I would change the code, that somehow is called up if a map is usable, so data are defined for that. But P402 on Wikidata is usable partly only, because this isn't defined on Wikidata for the concerned articles. Are there somehow other, that can be called up with Lua? - Can Lua call up "externaldata" from <code>{{#tag:mapframe:</code>, before the Wiki extension is integrated? <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari Discussió:Tlustulimu">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409064500","author":"Tlustulimu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240409090300-Tlustulimu-20240409064500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tlustulimu-20240409064500-Technical_question_about_maps_and_Lua"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240409090300-Tlustulimu-20240409064500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a>: I'm not sure if I understood it. You can generate a map with an OSM relation like type=route or type=waterway. Some test examples at <a href="/wiki/Especial:PermanentLink/33353354" title="Especial:PermanentLink/33353354">Special:Permalink/33353354</a>. But it has to be defined on Wikidata with <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P402" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P402">OpenStreetMap relation ID <small>(P402)</small></a>. I have not found any example with route=railway. If they are available on OSM, you can follow the instructions of <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM" class="extiw" title="mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM">mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM</a>.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">Amadalvarez</a>: Can you generate a list of instances railway with P402? <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240409090300-Tlustulimu-20240409064500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240409090300-Tlustulimu-20240409064500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409090300","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240409090300-Tlustulimu-20240409064500","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240409092700-Vriullop-20240409090300"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240409090300-Tlustulimu-20240409064500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409092700-Vriullop-20240409090300"></span>Thanks for your answer. But in some articles the map works without P402, for example <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1%C5%88sk%C3%A1_dr%C3%A1ha" class="extiw" title="eo:Báňská dráha">eo:Báňská dráha</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari Discussió:Tlustulimu">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Tlustulimu-20240409092700-Vriullop-20240409090300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409092700-Vriullop-20240409090300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409092700","author":"Tlustulimu","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240409092700-Vriullop-20240409090300","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240409105000-Tlustulimu-20240409092700","c-Amadalvarez-20240409111900-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tlustulimu-20240409092700-Vriullop-20240409090300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240409105000-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a>: I see. On OSM, the relation <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2783381">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2783381</a> is identified with wikidata=Q802957, and then the Kartographer extension can associate it with Wikidata item Q802957. There is no way from Lua or wikicode to know if it exists or not, other than to add P402=2783381. There is a tracking category <a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:%C3%9Adr%C5%BEba:OSM_relace_nen%C3%AD_na_Wikidatech" class="extiw" title="cs:Kategorie:Údržba:OSM relace není na Wikidatech">cs:Kategorie:Údržba:OSM relace není na Wikidatech</a>, but it seems incomplete. To make it consistent, you should review <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/%C5%9Cablono:Mapkadro_fervojlinio" class="extiw" title="eo:Special:Whatlinkshere/Ŝablono:Mapkadro fervojlinio">eo:Special:Whatlinkshere/Ŝablono:Mapkadro fervojlinio</a> in order to assure all inclusions have P402. Then, in the template it is just <code>{{#if:{{#property:P402}}|<generate map>}}</code>. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240409105000-Tlustulimu-20240409092700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240409105000-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409105000","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240409105000-Tlustulimu-20240409092700","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240409113400-Vriullop-20240409105000"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240409105000-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409113400-Vriullop-20240409105000"></span>I just added P402 to the Q802957 and changed the infobox template. It works, even for other countries. Thank you and have a good day. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari Discussió:Tlustulimu">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Tlustulimu-20240409113400-Vriullop-20240409105000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409113400-Vriullop-20240409105000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409113400","author":"Tlustulimu","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240409113400-Vriullop-20240409105000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tlustulimu-20240409113400-Vriullop-20240409105000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240409111900-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">Vriullop</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/9iAn">https://w.wiki/9iAn</a> <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240409111900-Tlustulimu-20240409092700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240409111900-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409111900","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240409111900-Tlustulimu-20240409092700","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240409112900-Amadalvarez-20240409111900"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240409111900-Tlustulimu-20240409092700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240409112900-Amadalvarez-20240409111900"></span>Gràcies. El problema serà el contrari, saber què hi ha a OSM que no està a Wikidata. Per cert, he vist coses com <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/195707">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/195707</a>. @<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a>: This query from Amador may be helpful. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240409112900-Amadalvarez-20240409111900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240409112900-Amadalvarez-20240409111900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409112900","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240409112900-Amadalvarez-20240409111900","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240409113800-Vriullop-20240409112900"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240409112900-Amadalvarez-20240409111900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409113800-Vriullop-20240409112900"></span>I just tested some articles, those topic is a railway in another country than Czechia or Slovakia, for example <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linio_A_de_la_metroo_de_Liono" class="extiw" title="eo:Linio A de la metroo de Liono">eo:Linio A de la metroo de Liono</a>, <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekrasovskaja_linio_(Moskvo)" class="extiw" title="eo:Nekrasovskaja linio (Moskvo)">eo:Nekrasovskaja linio (Moskvo)</a>. It works very finely. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari Discussió:Tlustulimu">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Tlustulimu-20240409113800-Vriullop-20240409112900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 9 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tlustulimu-20240409113800-Vriullop-20240409112900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240409113800","author":"Tlustulimu","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240409113800-Vriullop-20240409112900","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240410140900-Tlustulimu-20240409113800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tlustulimu-20240409113800-Vriullop-20240409112900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tlustulimu-20240410140900-Tlustulimu-20240409113800"></span>Hola, Vriullop. There are some problems with the articles <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram-metroo_de_Rouen" class="extiw" title="eo:Tram-metroo de Rouen">eo:Tram-metroo de Rouen</a> and <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramvojo_de_Monto_Blanka" class="extiw" title="eo:Tramvojo de Monto Blanka">eo:Tramvojo de Monto Blanka</a>. For the second article is lacking the Q-code <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1577318" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Q1577318">Q1577318</a> on the OSM page <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/14626388">Relation: Tramway du Mont-Blanc (14626388)</a>. But I don't know how I could add it there. But P402 is defined on the Wkikidata page. For the first article all codes are defined. But a world map appears only. - Do you have an idea? Greetings <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari Discussió:Tlustulimu">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Tlustulimu-20240410140900-Tlustulimu-20240409113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 10 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tlustulimu-20240410140900-Tlustulimu-20240409113800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240410140900","author":"Tlustulimu","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240410140900-Tlustulimu-20240409113800","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240411070700-Tlustulimu-20240410140900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tlustulimu-20240410140900-Tlustulimu-20240409113800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240411070700-Tlustulimu-20240410140900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a>: For the first case, note that the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2629655">OSM map</a> does not show any line. That's because it is defined as type=network, it is formed by two lines: <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55079952" class="extiw" title="d:Q55079952">Tram ligne Technopôle (Rouen) <small>(Q55079952)</small></a> and <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55079983" class="extiw" title="d:Q55079983">Rouen tram route Georges Braque <small>(Q55079983)</small></a>, both defined as type=route. Good news is that you can show both lines in one map, see <a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vriullop/provejo" class="extiw" title="eo:User:Vriullop/provejo">eo:User:Vriullop/provejo</a> using parameter id of Template:Mapkadro fervojlinio. You can include this parameter in Template:Informkesto fervojlinio. I have added a suggested code in the sandbox, not tested. The idea is with id=- do not show any map at all, with id=Qxxx then show a map not associated with current page, with id=Qxxx,Qxxx then show a multiple map as in Rouen, with no id defined then show the map from P402.</dd> <dd>For the second case, see the instructions at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM#How_to_add_Wikidata_ID_to_OSM" class="extiw" title="mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM">mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/OSM#How to add Wikidata ID to OSM</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240411070700-Tlustulimu-20240410140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 11 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240411070700-Tlustulimu-20240410140900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240411070700","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240411070700-Tlustulimu-20240410140900","replies":["c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240411070700-Tlustulimu-20240410140900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700"></span>Hola, Vriullop. Thank you for your idea. I just changed the infobox and added "<code>id</code>" to the first article. It works finely there. - Greetings <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari:Tlustulimu">Tlustulimu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Tlustulimu" title="Usuari Discussió:Tlustulimu">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 11 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240411075600","author":"Tlustulimu","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tlustulimu-20240411075600-Vriullop-20240411070700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240423095000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Superat_per_l'html-20240423095000","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html"],"text":"Superat per l'html","linkableTitle":"Superat per l'html"}--><h2 id="Superat_per_l'html" data-mw-thread-id="h-Superat_per_l'html-20240423095000"><span id="Superat_per_l.27html"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Superat_per_l'html-20240423095000"></span>Superat per l'html<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Superat_per_l'html-20240423095000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=4" title="Modifica la secció: Superat per l'html"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240423095000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Superat_per_l'html-20240423095000","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100","timestamp":"20240423135800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240423095000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Superat_per_l'html-20240423095000","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html"],"text":"Superat per l'html","linkableTitle":"Superat per l'html"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html"></span>Hola Vicenç. Mira si em pots fer la llum amb un tema [menor] on estic encallat. a <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez/proves/%C3%B2pera" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez/proves/òpera">Usuari:Amadalvarez/proves/òpera</a> tens una col·lecció de capçaleres d'infotaula on he compartit un logo amb el text del nom/títol de l'article. El logo és opcional, per tant, si no hi ha logo el text ha de sortir centrat. Tens un cas als exemples. La caixa s'ajusta a la mida del text. El logo, per evitar ensurts, li he posat mida fixa. </p><p>Ho voldria centrar verticalment, perquè ara queda alineat a dalt. Quan els logos són alts i transparents no queden malament. Però els que tenen fons de color i més baixos que l'alçada de la caixa, queda una mica estrany. Per més voltes que li he donat no me'n surto. Potser té alguna col·lisió o li fan nosa valors de les classes de la Infobox o de la templatestyle. Si és alguna cosa relativa a aquesta darrera pots canviar-lo perquè és particular. Avui o demà voldria pujar aquest canvi a producció. Si ho tens abans millor, però no seria greu tenir-ho com està ara, si cal. Gràcies <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 23 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240423095000","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240423105100-Amadalvarez-20240423095000"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240423095000-Superat_per_l'html"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240423105100-Amadalvarez-20240423095000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">Amadalvarez</a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax#Vertical_alignment" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Extended image syntax">en:Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Vertical alignment</a> no funciona amb float. L'opció middle ja és per defecte quan no és thumb. El truc està en definir line-height pel div del logo que agafi les dues línies. L'he posat a ull d'acord amb el fitxer 80x40px. Caldria veure-ho en casos extrems. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240423105100-Amadalvarez-20240423095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 23 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240423105100-Amadalvarez-20240423095000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240423105100","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240423105100-Amadalvarez-20240423095000","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240423105100-Amadalvarez-20240423095000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100"></span>Genial !. He pujat a 45 i quedava més centrat. Però forçant un text de 3 línies, s'esgarrava perquè se'm colava el final del text per sota la imatge.</dd> <dd>Després de fer una mica d'empirisme intentant trobat un algorisme que em tornes la proporció àuria del tema, he arribat a la conclusió que la llargada del text és una mida prou bona per posar-la com a alçada de línia. Veure: <a href="/wiki/Especial:PermanentLink/33417290" title="Especial:PermanentLink/33417290">special:permalink/33417290</a>.</dd> <dd>Gràcies. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 23 abr 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240423135800","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100","replies":[],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240423135800-Vriullop-20240423105100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240510195400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?-20240510195400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?"],"text":"Vols fer un gadget en LUA?","linkableTitle":"Vols fer un gadget en LUA?"}--><h2 id="Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?-20240510195400"><span id="Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?-20240510195400"></span>Vols fer un gadget en LUA?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?-20240510195400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=5" title="Modifica la secció: Vols fer un gadget en LUA?"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240510195400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?-20240510195400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400","timestamp":"20240511200900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240510195400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?-20240510195400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?"],"text":"Vols fer un gadget en LUA?","linkableTitle":"Vols fer un gadget en LUA?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?"></span>Cronologia: </p> <ul><li>Fa un parell d'anys, l'usuari Ermm va començar a construir unes taules amb l'evolució dels resultats electorals municipals amb la idea de aplicar-ho als articles de cada municipi. Ex.:<a href="/wiki/L%27Arbo%C3%A7#Eleccions_municipals" title="L'Arboç">L'Arboç#Eleccions_municipals</a></li> <li>Em va demanar si es podria fer des de WD. Vaig mirar si amb l'estructura que tenim de resultats electorals funcionaria i, era possible, però impensable amb plantilla.</li> <li>Casualitats de la vida, un editor de WD va obrir una secció al Wikiprojecte d'eleccions de WD oferint-se a fer eines per generar taules que milloressin els articles.</li> <li>Dit i fet. Li vaig passar la maqueta (<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Amadalvarez/election_table" class="extiw" title="d:User:Amadalvarez/election table">d:User:Amadalvarez/election table</a>), i s'hi va posar a treballar (<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_elections#Elections_module_for_Wikipedias" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata talk:WikiProject elections">Elections_module_for_Wikipedias</a>.</li> <li>Va fer un mòdul, va incorporar canvis funcionals (files x columnes) i una llista de millores que li vaig demanar i... Es va aturar i va dedicar-se a altres coses.</li> <li>Ermm va deixar d'insistir i va seguir fent les taules manualment. Ara, s'ha <a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Ermm#Eleccions_muncipals" title="Usuari Discussió:Ermm">tornat a parlar del tema</a> i, un cop he rellegit la història, he pensat que no faltava gaire.</li></ul> <p>La meva proposta, com a divertiment no com a repte ni obligació, és que et miris el <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Sandbox/Dipsacus_fullonum/elections" class="extiw" title="d:Module:Sandbox/Dipsacus fullonum/elections">mòdul que va fer</a>, a veure si li falta un 5% fàcil, un 5% d'alta complexitat o un 50% i és massa feina i no paga la pena. </p><p>Gràcies, <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 10 maig 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240510195400","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240511183400-Amadalvarez-20240510195400"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240510195400-Vols_fer_un_gadget_en_LUA?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240511183400-Amadalvarez-20240510195400"></span>Això requereix una immersió prèvia per entendre la lògica de com està construït. No sembla complicat, a primer cop d'ull es veu ben estructurat, però pot passar que requisits addicionals forcin una reestructuració. Necessita el seu temps i ara no és un bon moment. Primer, perquè fa un mes que estic amb un monotema al wikt que volia enllestir abans de cap interrupció i sembla que no hi arribaré, no s'acaba mai. Segon, tenim un nou tema que implicarà revisar moltes plantilles, infotaules incloses: <a href="/wiki/Tema:Y4in6u65teqhu2p4" title="Tema:Y4in6u65teqhu2p4">Tema:Y4in6u65teqhu2p4</a>. No és només que funcioni el mode fosc en mòbils, abans que s'activi en escriptori, sinó que implica l'optimització en versió mòbil, cosa que no ens hi hem preocupat gaire. Al wikt, on hi ha més plantilles que text, ja he vist un munt de coses a corregir. Aquí no són tan evidents, però pots comprovar <a class="external free" href="https://ca.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L%27Arbo%C3%A7&minervanightmode=1">https://ca.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L%27Arbo%C3%A7&minervanightmode=1</a> <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240511183400-Amadalvarez-20240510195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 11 maig 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240511183400-Amadalvarez-20240510195400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240511183400","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240511183400-Amadalvarez-20240510195400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240511183400-Amadalvarez-20240510195400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400"></span>Bé, no és urgent, ningú ho està esperant. Ho posem a la llista i quan s'acabin els temes que comentes, ja veurem on som.</dd> <dd>El tema del dark ho vaig veure, però com deia que només funcionava en mòbil, vaig assumir que no calia fer res, i que era un tema de plataforma. Ja miraré que cal fer. Si tens deures específics a passar-me, ja hi pots comptar amb mi. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 11 maig 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240511200900","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400","replies":[],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240511200900-Vriullop-20240511183400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240613081400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit-20240613081400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit"],"text":"la Infobox election ha embogit","linkableTitle":"la Infobox election ha embogit"}--><h2 id="la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit" data-mw-thread-id="h-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit-20240613081400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit-20240613081400"></span>la Infobox election ha embogit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit-20240613081400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=6" title="Modifica la secció: la Infobox election ha embogit"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240613081400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit-20240613081400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900","timestamp":"20240614064600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__12__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240613081400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit-20240613081400","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit"],"text":"la Infobox election ha embogit","linkableTitle":"la Infobox election ha embogit"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit"></span>Saps que pot haver canviat per a què s'hagin desestructurat els formats de la infotaula eleccions ?. Ex.<a href="/wiki/Eleccions_al_Parlament_de_Catalunya_de_2024" title="Eleccions al Parlament de Catalunya de 2024">Eleccions al Parlament de Catalunya de 2024</a> </p> <ul><li>La línia de successions que té classe pròpia ha canviat d'alçada i queda sobre-escrita a la següent línia.</li> <li>Han canviat les amplades del bloc de resultats per partits (tractats a <a href="/wiki/Plantilla:Infobox_election/showblocks" title="Plantilla:Infobox election/showblocks">Plantilla:Infobox election/showblocks</a>).</li></ul> <p>M'he remuntat al funcionament previ als canvis del mode fosc i tampoc funciona bé. Que deu haver passat ? He deixat missatge a la Taverna per tranquil·litzar sobre incidències. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 13 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613081400","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240613134100-Amadalvarez-20240613081400"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240613081400-la_Infobox_election_ha_embogit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240613134100-Amadalvarez-20240613081400"></span>Primer punt. Funciona amb la versió anterior de <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href="/wiki/Plantilla:Infobox_election/core" title="Plantilla:Infobox election/core">Infobox election/core</a>}}</span>, cosa que és el mateix que sense aplicar "subheaderrowclass2 = infobox_successionheader" de la línia 602. Aquesta class és del mòdul, sense valor per defecte, i n'usa dues de diferents pel subheader. Construeix la taula amb <tr class="subheaderrowclass"> <td class="subheaderclass">. La primera, subheaderrowclass, pot tenir diferents valors per a cada fila subheaderrowclass1, ...2, etc. La segona, subheaderclass, és comuna per les dades de totes les files subheader. La diferència entre una class en tr o td és subtil, però provant de canviar a "subheaderclass = infobox_successionheader" funciona millor, encara que cal acabar d'ajustar l'styles. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240613134100-Amadalvarez-20240613081400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 13 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240613134100-Amadalvarez-20240613081400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613134100","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240613134100-Amadalvarez-20240613081400","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240613171800-Vriullop-20240613134100","c-Vriullop-20240613172500-Vriullop-20240613134100"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240613134100-Amadalvarez-20240613081400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240613171800-Vriullop-20240613134100"></span>Segon punt: <a href="/wiki/Especial:Diff/33605422" title="Especial:Diff/33605422">Especial:Diff/33605422</a>. No és evident. Diria que la introducció del paràmetre party_equivalent amb un text llarg està forçant l'encaix de l'amplada de les columnes. He forçat les imatges amb un paràmetre de 150px com a temptativa perquè la taula redissenyi les amplades. Així i tot, les mostra més petites perquè el switcher genera una altra taula interna amb width:auto, però l'intent té el seu efecte. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240613171800-Vriullop-20240613134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 13 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240613171800-Vriullop-20240613134100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613171800","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240613171800-Vriullop-20240613134100","replies":[],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240613171800-Vriullop-20240613134100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240613172500-Vriullop-20240613134100"></span>Del primer punt, res, era més senzill que si una class o l'altra: <a href="/wiki/Especial:Diff/33605596" title="Especial:Diff/33605596">Especial:Diff/33605596</a>. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240613172500-Vriullop-20240613134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 13 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240613172500-Vriullop-20240613134100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613172500","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240613172500-Vriullop-20240613134100","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240613213500-Vriullop-20240613172500"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240613172500-Vriullop-20240613134100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240613213500-Vriullop-20240613172500"></span>Primer punt. Bona solució. Jo estava fent una prova posant-li la class al subheaderclass genèric en lloc de posar-li al de la row específica, ja que no hi ha un altre subheader, per ara. Funcionava, però perdia el background i estava mirant com fer-ho. Però em quedo amb el que has fet</dd> <dd>Segon punt: El que sorprèn és que quan vaig fer els ajustos dels invert dels icones, les proves funcionaven bé, també el de la línia successòria.</dd> <dd>Demà, més fresc, ho compararé amb la versió de GLwiki que funciona perfectament.</dd> <dd>Gràcies, seguim, <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240613213500-Vriullop-20240613172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 13 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240613213500-Vriullop-20240613172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613213500","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240613213500-Vriullop-20240613172500","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240614050000-Amadalvarez-20240613213500"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240613213500-Vriullop-20240613172500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614050000-Amadalvarez-20240613213500"></span>Bon dia. TROBAT !!!!</dd> <dd>Si passes a la versió vector 2010, funciona tot, fins i tot la línia de successions. Per tant, no cal buscar l'error en els canvis fets aquests darrers dies ni al codi, ni als styles.css. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240614050000-Amadalvarez-20240613213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614050000-Amadalvarez-20240613213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614050000","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240614050000-Amadalvarez-20240613213500","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240614061000-Amadalvarez-20240614050000"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240614050000-Amadalvarez-20240613213500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240614061000-Amadalvarez-20240614050000"></span>És una bona explicació. Realment no és degut a canvis recents sinó que amb versions més velles permet deduir què ho provoca. En el cas de la línia de successions, encara que el vector-2010 no faci cas del height, és un mal disseny que no corregeix el vector-2020. Sobre les imatges i icones, una possibilitat era que fos algun error de lint que el mediawiki ja no corregeixi, cosa que ens pot passar en qualsevol moment en versions noves, però ja he vist que no era això. Una alternativa que no he acabat d'aclarir és que el font-size estigui afectant les imatges i icones. No veig clar que posant una mida determinada en la sintaxi d'un fitxer, aquest acabi sortint amb una altra mida per culpa de no sé què. He suposat que era la taula, però podria ser també per algun styles que tampoc hauria d'afectar. A <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Thursday_13_June_style_changes" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday 13 June style changes</a> estan reportant molts problemes amb infoboxes. No recordava que cal estar més atent tots els dimecres: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:THURSDAY" class="extiw" title="en:WP:THURSDAY">en:WP:THURSDAY</a> (a ca.wiki és un dia abans). <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240614061000-Amadalvarez-20240614050000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240614061000-Amadalvarez-20240614050000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614061000","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240614061000-Amadalvarez-20240614050000","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240614062300-Vriullop-20240614061000"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240614061000-Amadalvarez-20240614050000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614062300-Vriullop-20240614061000"></span>Doncs, sí. Caldrà fer prova i error. Si vols fer prova i error sense haver d'estar canviant coses en producció, ho pots fer a WD que hi ha una rèplica sencera d'abans dels canvis pel mode fosc.</dd> <dd>He revertit el canvi de mida de la imatge, perquè si al vector 2022 no tenia quasi efecte, al vector 2010, amb bon criteri, mostrava unes imatges enormes.</dd> <dd>Penso que deu estar relacionat amb algun default d'amplada del bodystyle, que no acostumo a prestar-li gaire atenció (no té width als styles). M'havia semblat veure infotaules més estretes, mapes i alguna imatge descentrada i fins i tot fora de la caixa d'infotaula (a la taverna ho diu el Cataleirxs), però ho vaig deixar per afinar-ho més tard.</dd> <dd>Ara bé, a infobox election/core el bodystyle està fixat al codi (linia 35) on se li assigna 24em</dd> <dd>Proves fetes: <ul><li>treure la width esmentada de /core: sense efecte. Continua sense funcionar bé.</li> <li>canviar de 45px a 3.0em l'amplada assignada a la 1a. columna quan construeix l'encolumnat a la línia 124 de infobox election/showblocks, per evitar barrejar mides en px i em. Sense efecte.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Ho deixo fins les 12 am. Si fas alguna prova més, deixa nota.</dd> <dd>Salut ! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240614062300-Vriullop-20240614061000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614062300-Vriullop-20240614061000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614062300","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240614062300-Vriullop-20240614061000","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300","c-Amadalvarez-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240614062300-Vriullop-20240614061000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"></span>Solucionat en el cas del switcher, provisionalment a l'espera de phabricator: <a href="/wiki/Especial:Diff/33606709" title="Especial:Diff/33606709">Especial:Diff/33606709</a>. Tenir class amb styles hi ajuda. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614062900","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240614063900-Vriullop-20240614062900"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614063900-Vriullop-20240614062900"></span>Vaja!. Ben trobat. Tot i la correcció, continuo veient la infotaula més estreta que abans. O sigui que reitero que deu anar per configuració del bodystyle.</dd> <dd>Si mires <a href="/wiki/Massacre_del_camp_de_refugiats_de_Nuseirat" title="Massacre del camp de refugiats de Nuseirat">Massacre del camp de refugiats de Nuseirat</a> veuràs que la mostra molt estreta i el mapa surt fora de marc. Aquesta infotaula no l'he modificat encara. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240614063900-Vriullop-20240614062900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614063900-Vriullop-20240614062900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614063900","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240614063900-Vriullop-20240614062900","replies":[],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240614063900-Vriullop-20240614062900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"></span>Una altra dada que acabo de pensar.</dd> <dd>Com que no m'agrada el look de de la versió 2022, no l'he activat fins que no m'he posat amb el mode fosc. És lògic que no m'hagi adonat de cap error.</dd> <dd>Ara bé, com és que ningú ha detectat cap error fins que no hem començat a remenar pel mode fosc ?</dd> <dd>Apa ! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614062900","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240614062900-Amadalvarez-20240614062300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900"></span>Com deia més amunt, són errors de la nova versió del dimecres. Els que encara usin vector-2010 no se n'han adonat. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 14 juny 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614064600","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900","replies":[],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240614064600-Amadalvarez-20240614062900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-85.48.180.103-20240710141900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussi\u00f3-20240710141900","replies":["c-85.48.180.103-20240710141900-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussi\u00f3"],"text":"Ajuda'ns! Feu difussi\u00f3","linkableTitle":"Ajuda'ns! Feu difussi\u00f3"}--><h2 id="Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió-20240710141900"><span id="Ajuda.27ns.21_Feu_difussi.C3.B3"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió-20240710141900"></span>Ajuda'ns! Feu difussió<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió-20240710141900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=7" title="Modifica la secció: Ajuda'ns! 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Feu difussi\u00f3"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-85.48.180.103-20240710141900-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió"></span>Bon dia, el motiu d'establir contacte amb vosté és notificar-li que s'está duent a terme un debat a la viquipèdia en anglès molt important sobre la naturalesa de fer referència a les persones que han nascut a Catalunya com a Catalans independentment de la seva nacionalitat espanyola. Siusplau, feu-li una ullada i participeu, si així ho desitjeu, en el debat sobre si s'ha de fer menció al seu origen català o no. Aquest consens pot arribar a ser molt últil a establir una defensa de Catalunya en el futur. Tots estem compromesos en el projecte de la viquipèdia en català, pero altres persones volem defensar aquesta en altres llengues. Ajuda'ns. Gràcies. A continuació els DOS enllaços: <a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catalonia">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catalonia</a> </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football</a> <a href="/wiki/Especial:Contribucions/85.48.180.103" title="Especial:Contribucions/85.48.180.103">85.48.180.103</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:85.48.180.103&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usuari Discussió:85.48.180.103 (encara no existeix)">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-85.48.180.103-20240710141900-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 10 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-85.48.180.103-20240710141900-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240710141900","author":"85.48.180.103","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-85.48.180.103-20240710141900-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussi\u00f3","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-85.48.180.103-20240710141900-Ajuda'ns!_Feu_difussió"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kxont-20240716184000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]-20240716184000","replies":["c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]"],"text":"Eliminaci\u00f3 colors en taules [mode fosc]","linkableTitle":"Eliminaci\u00f3 colors en taules [mode fosc]"}--><h2 id="Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]-20240716184000"><span id="Eliminaci.C3.B3_colors_en_taules_.5Bmode_fosc.5D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]-20240716184000"></span>Eliminació colors en taules [mode fosc]<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]-20240716184000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=8" title="Modifica la secció: Eliminació colors en taules [mode fosc]"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kxont-20240716184000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]-20240716184000","replies":["c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000","timestamp":"20240717084900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kxont-20240716184000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]-20240716184000","replies":["c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]"],"text":"Eliminaci\u00f3 colors en taules [mode fosc]","linkableTitle":"Eliminaci\u00f3 colors en taules [mode fosc]"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]"></span>Hola, he vist que en l'article de la <a href="/wiki/Barbora_Krej%C4%8D%C3%ADkov%C3%A1" title="Barbora Krejčíková">Barbora Krejčíková</a> has esborrat la majoria de colors de fons de les taules pel millorar la visualització en mode fosc. Aquest motiu és una normativa nova que desconec i simplement per decisió pròpia? El codi de colors és molt útil per una identificació ràpida, per exemple en categories o resultats, i deixar una taula totalment en blanc (o negre en mode fosc) obliga a fer una lectura molt més detallada, i personalment més carregosa. Podem trobar una forma que permeti utilitzar colors en qualsevol mode de visualització, per exemple utilitzant colors més pàl·lids? <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Kxont" title="Usuari:Kxont">kxont</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Kxont" title="Usuari Discussió:Kxont">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 16 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240716184000","author":"Kxont","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminaci\u00f3_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kxont-20240716184000-Eliminació_colors_en_taules_[mode_fosc]"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000"></span>Ho pots comprovar a <a class="external free" href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbora_Krej%C4%8D%C3%ADkov%C3%A1&oldid=33689246&useskin=minerva&minervanightmode=1">https://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbora_Krej%C4%8D%C3%ADkov%C3%A1&oldid=33689246&useskin=minerva&minervanightmode=1</a>, realment hi havia casos illegibles, amb més de 200 errors de contrast tant en mode clar com en fosc. A <a href="/wiki/Viquiprojecte:Adaptacions_per_al_Mode_Fosc" title="Viquiprojecte:Adaptacions per al Mode Fosc">Viquiprojecte:Adaptacions per al Mode Fosc</a> hi ha anotades diverses recomanacions. Aquest article havia aparegut en els informes periòdics d'errors de contrast perquè estava entre els 50 més visitats, però hi haurà molts altres casos similars. Per arreglar-ho bé, caldria eliminar la majoria dels colors definits en articles i fer-ho amb plantilles amb colors contrastats i amb definicions específiques pel mode fosc si fos necessari. Si és un cas comú en diversos articles, com és imaginable, passa pel viquiprojecte a veure si trobem una solució comuna. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 17 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717084900","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000","replies":[],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240717084900-Kxont-20240716184000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Leptictidium-20240718065300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu-20240718065300","replies":["c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu"],"text":"M\u00f2dul de transcripci\u00f3 de l'hebreu","linkableTitle":"M\u00f2dul de transcripci\u00f3 de l'hebreu"}--><h2 id="Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu-20240718065300"><span id="M.C3.B2dul_de_transcripci.C3.B3_de_l.27hebreu"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu-20240718065300"></span>Mòdul de transcripció de l'hebreu<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu-20240718065300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=9" title="Modifica la secció: Mòdul de transcripció de l'hebreu"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Leptictidium-20240718065300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu-20240718065300","replies":["c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100","timestamp":"20240905143200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__8__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Leptictidium-20240718065300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu-20240718065300","replies":["c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu"],"text":"M\u00f2dul de transcripci\u00f3 de l'hebreu","linkableTitle":"M\u00f2dul de transcripci\u00f3 de l'hebreu"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu"></span>Bon dia, com va tot? Digues, et semblaria factible fer un mòdul de transcripció, com els que ja tenim per al rus, l'armeni, etc. per a l'hebreu, partint del que diuen les pàgines 54-56 de <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://publicacions.iec.cat/repository/pdf/00000285/00000076.pdf">la proposta de l'IEC</a>? Gràcies! —<i><a href="/wiki/Usuari:Leptictidium" title="Usuari:Leptictidium">Leptictidium</a></i> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Leptictidium" title="Usuari Discussió:Leptictidium">digueu-me</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 18 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718065300","author":"Leptictidium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-M\u00f2dul_de_transcripci\u00f3_de_l'hebreu","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240718083500-Leptictidium-20240718065300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leptictidium-20240718065300-Mòdul_de_transcripció_de_l'hebreu"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240718083500-Leptictidium-20240718065300"></span>Sembla complex i l'hebreu em resulta illegible, però es pot intentar. D'entrada és més pràctic adaptar <a href="https://ca.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:Module:he-translit" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:Module:he-translit">wikt:en:Module:he-translit</a> que està basat en l'hebreu modern explicat a <a href="https://ca.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:Wiktionary:HE_TR" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:Wiktionary:HE TR">wikt:en:Wiktionary:HE TR</a>. Sobre aquesta base es pot modificar pel català. Ho faré primer al Viccionari perquè hi ha una sèrie de dependències en altres mòduls. Ara mateix no estic segur de la disponibilitat amb un parell de compromisos de llarga durada que no puc aparcar, però puc mirar d'anar intercalant. Mentrestant, estaria bé si pots fer la taula com l'anglesa modificant-la amb l'IEC, com les de <a href="https://ca.wiktionary.org/wiki/Categoria:Romanitzacions" class="extiw" title="wikt:Categoria:Romanitzacions">wikt:Categoria:Romanitzacions</a>, que servirà de punt de referència. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240718083500-Leptictidium-20240718065300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:35, 18 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240718083500-Leptictidium-20240718065300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718083500","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240718083500-Leptictidium-20240718065300","replies":["c-Leptictidium-20240718105400-Vriullop-20240718083500"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240718083500-Leptictidium-20240718065300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leptictidium-20240718105400-Vriullop-20240718083500"></span>M'ho miro. Com que els meus coneixements de l'hebreu són gairebé nuls, miro a veure si el @<a href="/wiki/Usuari:CarlesVA" title="Usuari:CarlesVA">CarlesVA</a>:, que coneix com a mínim una altra llengua semítica, ens hi pot ajudar.—<i><a href="/wiki/Usuari:Leptictidium" title="Usuari:Leptictidium">Leptictidium</a></i> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Leptictidium" title="Usuari Discussió:Leptictidium">digueu-me</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Leptictidium-20240718105400-Vriullop-20240718083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 18 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leptictidium-20240718105400-Vriullop-20240718083500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718105400","author":"Leptictidium","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Leptictidium-20240718105400-Vriullop-20240718083500","replies":["c-CarlesVA-20240719070200-Leptictidium-20240718105400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leptictidium-20240718105400-Vriullop-20240718083500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CarlesVA-20240719070200-Leptictidium-20240718105400"></span>Suposo que sí que ens ho podem provar. A nivell d'escriptura, l'hebreu és força similar a l'àrab, però sé que (a diferència de l'àrab que té un registre estàndar/literari/clàssic força clar) hi ha diferències de pronunciació importants entre els diferents hebreus històrics i actuals. Caldrà estudiar-ho una mica, però es pot provar. Però haurà de ser ja la setmana vinent. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:CarlesVA" title="Usuari:CarlesVA">CarlesVA</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:CarlesVA" title="Usuari Discussió:CarlesVA">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-CarlesVA-20240719070200-Leptictidium-20240718105400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 19 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CarlesVA-20240719070200-Leptictidium-20240718105400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719070200","author":"CarlesVA","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CarlesVA-20240719070200-Leptictidium-20240718105400","replies":["c-CarlesVA-20240724194200-CarlesVA-20240719070200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CarlesVA-20240719070200-Leptictidium-20240718105400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CarlesVA-20240724194200-CarlesVA-20240719070200"></span>Voleu que ens ho mirem? Jo ara torno a disposar d'estonetes per dedicar-m'hi. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:CarlesVA" title="Usuari:CarlesVA">CarlesVA</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:CarlesVA" title="Usuari Discussió:CarlesVA">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-CarlesVA-20240724194200-CarlesVA-20240719070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 24 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CarlesVA-20240724194200-CarlesVA-20240719070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240724194200","author":"CarlesVA","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CarlesVA-20240724194200-CarlesVA-20240719070200","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240725060300-CarlesVA-20240724194200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CarlesVA-20240724194200-CarlesVA-20240719070200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240725060300-CarlesVA-20240724194200"></span>Perfecte. Tinc una primera versió <a href="https://ca.wiktionary.org/wiki/M%C3%B2dul:he-trans" class="extiw" title="wikt:Mòdul:he-trans">wikt:Mòdul:he-trans</a> que funciona amb transcripció anglesa. Es pot provar al Viccionari amb <code>{{#invoke:he-trans|tr_all|חֹרֶף}}</code> que mostra dues sortides: en clàssic o bíblic i en modern. Si s'adapta la taula de descripció anglesa, puc mirar les diferències per modificar-ho en català. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240725060300-CarlesVA-20240724194200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 25 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240725060300-CarlesVA-20240724194200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240725060300","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240725060300-CarlesVA-20240724194200","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240809115100-Vriullop-20240725060300"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240725060300-CarlesVA-20240724194200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240809115100-Vriullop-20240725060300"></span>Ho he esquematitzat a <a href="https://ca.wiktionary.org/wiki/Viccionari:Romanitzaci%C3%B3_de_l%27hebreu" class="extiw" title="wikt:Viccionari:Romanització de l'hebreu">wikt:Viccionari:Romanització de l'hebreu</a>. No estic segur com tractar-ho, però intentaré anar adaptant coses sobre la base anglesa. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240809115100-Vriullop-20240725060300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 9 ago 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240809115100-Vriullop-20240725060300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240809115100","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240809115100-Vriullop-20240725060300","replies":["c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240809115100-Vriullop-20240725060300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100"></span>He creat <a href="/wiki/Viquip%C3%A8dia:Transcripci%C3%B3_de_l%27hebreu" title="Viquipèdia:Transcripció de l'hebreu">Viquipèdia:Transcripció de l'hebreu</a>, de moment només amb les consonants. No he fet les vocals perquè la meva falta de coneixements amb els <i><a href="/wiki/Abjad" title="Abjad">abjad</a></i> em torna boig i no acabo d'entendre l'esquema que proposa l'IEC. @<a href="/wiki/Usuari:CarlesVA" title="Usuari:CarlesVA">CarlesVA</a>:, podries mirar-t'ho a partir de la taula 6 d'<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://publicacions.iec.cat/repository/pdf/00000285/00000076.pdf">aquest document</a>? Gràcies! I, per cert, si trobes que he fet alguna relliscada en les consonants, <i>feel free</i> de corregir-la.—<i><a href="/wiki/Usuari:Leptictidium" title="Usuari:Leptictidium">Leptictidium</a></i> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Leptictidium" title="Usuari Discussió:Leptictidium">digueu-me</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 5 set 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905143200","author":"Leptictidium","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leptictidium-20240905143200-Vriullop-20240809115100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KRLS-20240718170100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-No_t'estic_ignorant-20240718170100","replies":["c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant"],"text":"No t'estic ignorant","linkableTitle":"No t'estic ignorant"}--><h2 id="No_t'estic_ignorant" data-mw-thread-id="h-No_t'estic_ignorant-20240718170100"><span id="No_t.27estic_ignorant"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-No_t'estic_ignorant-20240718170100"></span>No t'estic ignorant<span data-mw-comment-end="h-No_t'estic_ignorant-20240718170100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=10" title="Modifica la secció: No t'estic ignorant"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KRLS-20240718170100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-No_t'estic_ignorant-20240718170100","replies":["c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant","timestamp":"20240718170100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KRLS-20240718170100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-No_t'estic_ignorant-20240718170100","replies":["c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant"],"text":"No t'estic ignorant","linkableTitle":"No t'estic ignorant"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant"></span>Ei Vicenç! Aquests dies tinc l'accés limitat a Internet i no t'estic poden contestar a les preguntes/reflexions. En tornar, et contestaré. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:KRLS" title="Usuari:KRLS">KRLS</a>, (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:KRLS" title="Usuari Discussió:KRLS">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 18 jul 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718170100","author":"KRLS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KRLS-20240718170100-No_t'estic_ignorant"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2.142.53.200-20240829144300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-CASA_GALAN-20240829144300","replies":["c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN"],"text":"CASA GALAN","linkableTitle":"CASA GALAN"}--><h2 id="CASA_GALAN" data-mw-thread-id="h-CASA_GALAN-20240829144300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CASA_GALAN-20240829144300"></span>CASA GALAN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CASA_GALAN-20240829144300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=11" title="Modifica la secció: CASA GALAN"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2.142.53.200-20240829144300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-CASA_GALAN-20240829144300","replies":["c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200","timestamp":"20240831133700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__4__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2.142.53.200-20240829144300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-CASA_GALAN-20240829144300","replies":["c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN"],"text":"CASA GALAN","linkableTitle":"CASA GALAN"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN"></span>Bon dia, es sobre l'article publicat de CASA GALAN. A la secció història, indiques que va haver-hi un assassinat d'una familia a mans d'uns lladres. Em podries dir de quina font has tret aquesta informació? Estic molt interessat. Gràcies. <a href="/wiki/Especial:Contribucions/2.142.53.200" title="Especial:Contribucions/2.142.53.200">2.142.53.200</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:2.142.53.200&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usuari Discussió:2.142.53.200 (encara no existeix)">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 29 ago 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829144300","author":"2.142.53.200","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240830071100-2.142.53.200-20240829144300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2.142.53.200-20240829144300-CASA_GALAN"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240830071100-2.142.53.200-20240829144300"></span>Es va fer una càrrega automàtica de la referència indicada en l'Inventari de Patrimoni. En la versió actual de la fitxa de patrimoni aquest paràgraf ja no hi és ni tampoc l'he pogut recuperar de cap servei d'arxius web. El que diu l'article és tot el que hi havia en el seu moment. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240830071100-2.142.53.200-20240829144300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:11, 30 ago 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240830071100-2.142.53.200-20240829144300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830071100","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240830071100-2.142.53.200-20240829144300","replies":["c-31.4.225.49-20240830184300-Vriullop-20240830071100"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240830071100-2.142.53.200-20240829144300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.4.225.49-20240830184300-Vriullop-20240830071100"></span>Val. Llavors, si no està documentat enlloc, crec que aquesta part històrica s'hauria d'esborrar. <a href="/wiki/Especial:Contribucions/31.4.225.49" title="Especial:Contribucions/31.4.225.49">31.4.225.49</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:31.4.225.49&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usuari Discussió:31.4.225.49 (encara no existeix)">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-31.4.225.49-20240830184300-Vriullop-20240830071100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 30 ago 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.4.225.49-20240830184300-Vriullop-20240830071100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830184300","author":"31.4.225.49","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-31.4.225.49-20240830184300-Vriullop-20240830071100","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240831074200-31.4.225.49-20240830184300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.4.225.49-20240830184300-Vriullop-20240830071100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240831074200-31.4.225.49-20240830184300"></span>L'elimino, és massa obscur i no és rellevant per l'article. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240831074200-31.4.225.49-20240830184300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 31 ago 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240831074200-31.4.225.49-20240830184300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831074200","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240831074200-31.4.225.49-20240830184300","replies":["c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240831074200-31.4.225.49-20240830184300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200"></span>gràcies 🙂 <a href="/wiki/Especial:Contribucions/31.4.230.96" title="Especial:Contribucions/31.4.230.96">31.4.230.96</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:31.4.230.96&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Usuari Discussió:31.4.230.96 (encara no existeix)">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 31 ago 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831133700","author":"31.4.230.96","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.4.230.96-20240831133700-Vriullop-20240831074200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240926104700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-20240926104700","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"],"text":"Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla","linkableTitle":"Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla"}--><h2 id="Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-20240926104700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-20240926104700"></span>Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-20240926104700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=12" title="Modifica la secció: Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240926104700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-20240926104700","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500","timestamp":"20240926170300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Amadalvarez-20240926104700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla-20240926104700","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"],"text":"Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla","linkableTitle":"Comportament diferent en espai principal i plantilla"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"></span>Hola. Segur que serà un bug meu, però l'única diferència que veig és on s'executa. </p><p>La <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href="/wiki/Plantilla:Infobox_physical_geography" title="Plantilla:Infobox physical geography">infobox physical geography</a>}}</span>, en el cas de <a href="/wiki/Pedraforca" title="Pedraforca">Pedraforca</a> no mostra el layer que recupera de la <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P3896" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P3896">Forma geogràfica <small>(P3896)</small></a>. </p><p>A Pedraforca s'invoca aquesta plantilla directament i surt correctament. </p><p>A infobox physical geography hi ha una crida entre <code>noinclude</code> i surt malament La recuperació de WD es produeix, ja que li he posat una traça abans a l'entrada de Infobox physical geography/formatglobal, que és on es munta el mapa i si que està ple. </p><p>El problema ha d'estar dins <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href="/wiki/Plantilla:Two_maps_block" title="Plantilla:Two maps block">Two maps block</a>}}</span>, que es crida des d'aquesta darrera plantilla, però abans de ficar-m-hi, volia saber si penses alguna cosa relacionada amb l'espai. Gràcies ! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 26 set 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926104700","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla","replies":["c-Vriullop-20240926113500-Amadalvarez-20240926104700"],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240926104700-Comportament_diferent_en_espai_principal_i_plantilla"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20240926113500-Amadalvarez-20240926104700"></span>No pot ser per l'espai de noms, la prova és que si poses la infotaula del Pedrafora en un altre article tampoc surt el mapa. Això és típic de que en algun punt es perd el paràmetre item. A <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href="/wiki/Plantilla:Two_maps_block" title="Plantilla:Two maps block">Two maps block</a>}}</span> hi ha alguns invoke wikidades sense item, però posant-los tots no s'arregla. En el següent, <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href="/wiki/Plantilla:Two_maps_block/Build_map" title="Plantilla:Two maps block/Build map">Two maps block/Build map</a>}}</span> també n'hi falten, però res fins que m'he adonat que la plantilla map draw també necessita l'ítem: <a href="/wiki/Especial:Diff/34028864" title="Especial:Diff/34028864">Especial:Diff/34028864</a>. Et deixo la revisió d'afegir més item on no hi sigui. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20240926113500-Amadalvarez-20240926104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 26 set 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20240926113500-Amadalvarez-20240926104700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926113500","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20240926113500-Amadalvarez-20240926104700","replies":["c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20240926113500-Amadalvarez-20240926104700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500"></span>Què en soc d'inútil!.</dd> <dd>No és el primer cop que em passa, però aquesta sub-plantilla estava molt testejada. Però el tractament de "layer" és poc habitual i queda clar que mai ho havia provat fora d'explotació.</dd> <dd><b>Mil gràcies</b>.</dd> <dd>PD: m'estic barallant amb ajustos de mode fosc a les plataforma GLwiki. Com que els temes de les infocaixes de menús i de quadres de missatges, documentació, etc.. els vas fer tu i el KRLS, segur que et pregunto. Tranquil, serà el darrer recurs.</dd> <dd>Salut ! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari:Amadalvarez">amador</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Amadalvarez" title="Usuari Discussió:Amadalvarez">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 26 set 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926170300","author":"Amadalvarez","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500","replies":[],"displayName":"amador"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amadalvarez-20240926170300-Vriullop-20240926113500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Enric-20241006202000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-20241006202000","replies":["c-Enric-20241006202000-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"],"text":"B\u00e9ns arquitect\u00f2nics incorporats al cat\u00e0leg de Patrimoni de Sitges","linkableTitle":"B\u00e9ns arquitect\u00f2nics incorporats al cat\u00e0leg de Patrimoni de Sitges"}--><h2 id="Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges" data-mw-thread-id="h-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-20241006202000"><span id="B.C3.A9ns_arquitect.C3.B2nics_incorporats_al_cat.C3.A0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-20241006202000"></span>Béns arquitectònics incorporats al catàleg de Patrimoni de Sitges<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-20241006202000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=13" title="Modifica la secció: Béns arquitectònics incorporats al catàleg de Patrimoni de Sitges"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Enric-20241006202000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-20241006202000","replies":["c-Enric-20241006202000-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500","timestamp":"20241027153500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__7__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Enric-20241006202000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges-20241006202000","replies":["c-Enric-20241006202000-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"],"text":"B\u00e9ns arquitect\u00f2nics incorporats al cat\u00e0leg de Patrimoni de Sitges","linkableTitle":"B\u00e9ns arquitect\u00f2nics incorporats al cat\u00e0leg de Patrimoni de Sitges"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric-20241006202000-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"></span>Bon dia. Buscant informació sobre uns sepulcres del cementiri de Sitges que vaig fotografiar ahir, he trobat <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sitges.cat/serveis/urbanisme/documents/pla-especial-peppac/21-volum-xi-2-quadre-resum-elements-incorporats-2021.pdf">això</a>. Tot el que inclou hauria d'anar a la llista de monuments de Sitges? (que, per cert, està inclosa dins la <a href="/wiki/Llista_de_monuments_del_Garraf" title="Llista de monuments del Garraf">llista de monuments del Garraf</a>). <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Enric" title="Usuari Discussió:Enric">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Enric-20241006202000-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 6 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric-20241006202000-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006202000","author":"Enric","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Enric-20241006202000-B\u00e9ns_arquitect\u00f2nics_incorporats_al_cat\u00e0leg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges","replies":["c-Vriullop-20241007175500-Enric-20241006202000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric-20241006202000-Béns_arquitectònics_incorporats_al_catàleg_de_Patrimoni_de_Sitges"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20241007175500-Enric-20241006202000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> El criteri d'inclusió en llistes de monuments és l'inventari IPAC de la Generalitat. Els ajuntaments sempre inclouen més coses en el POUM amb altres criteris i propòsits. Ara bé, una vegada aprovat un pla especial o urbanístic amb catàleg llavors ho poden incloure a IPAC. Ja comprovaré si cal actualitzar la llista de Sitges, no revisada des del 2017. Però serà d'aquí a uns dies. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20241007175500-Enric-20241006202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 7 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20241007175500-Enric-20241006202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007175500","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20241007175500-Enric-20241006202000","replies":["c-Enric-20241008002200-Vriullop-20241007175500","c-Vriullop-20241009093000-Vriullop-20241007175500"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20241007175500-Enric-20241006202000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric-20241008002200-Vriullop-20241007175500"></span>OK, no sabia exactament amb quins criteris es feien les llistes. Gràcies! <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Enric" title="Usuari Discussió:Enric">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Enric-20241008002200-Vriullop-20241007175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 8 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric-20241008002200-Vriullop-20241007175500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008002200","author":"Enric","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Enric-20241008002200-Vriullop-20241007175500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric-20241008002200-Vriullop-20241007175500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20241009093000-Vriullop-20241007175500"></span>Revisats, n'hi ha 19 de nous. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20241009093000-Vriullop-20241007175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 9 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20241009093000-Vriullop-20241007175500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009093000","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vriullop-20241009093000-Vriullop-20241007175500","replies":["c-Enric-20241026142300-Vriullop-20241009093000"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20241009093000-Vriullop-20241007175500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric-20241026142300-Vriullop-20241009093000"></span>Ja m'ho he mirat i he vist que la majoria ja tenien la foto feta, excepte algunes. Quan hi torni miraré de fer les de dins la ciutat i quedaran pendents, com sempre, els masos, fonts enmig del bosc i coses d'aquestes. Dins la llista, he omplert les categories que faltaven així com les fotos, ja que algunes s'havien importat directament de wikidata. Amb tots els elements que hi ha actualment, penses que farien per omplir una llista només per a Sitges i prou, deslligada de la genèrica del Garraf? Per cert, cap a final de novembre haig de pujar al Pont de Suert, ho dic per si calgués actualitzar la llista de monuments (no sé si disposaré de vehicle o si hi aniré amb autocar i només podré fer les de la vila i prou, i no del municipi sencer, que és bastant extens). <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Enric" title="Usuari Discussió:Enric">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Enric-20241026142300-Vriullop-20241009093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 26 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric-20241026142300-Vriullop-20241009093000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241026142300","author":"Enric","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Enric-20241026142300-Vriullop-20241009093000","replies":["c-Vriullop-20241027082500-Enric-20241026142300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric-20241026142300-Vriullop-20241009093000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20241027082500-Enric-20241026142300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> El criteri seguit fins ara és limitar la llista comarcal al voltant de 200 monuments i separar els municipis més grans per deixar-la en aquest valor. Però darrerament hem considerat que es pot augmentar a 300. Amb aquest valor no hi ha necessitat de separar Sitges. Al contrari, es podria replegar Sant Pere de Ribes quedant en 290.</dd> <dd>La llista del Pont de Suert està revisada el juliol, no crec que hi hagi més canvis. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20241027082500-Enric-20241026142300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 27 oct 2024 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20241027082500-Enric-20241026142300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027082500","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Vriullop-20241027082500-Enric-20241026142300","replies":["c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500"],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20241027082500-Enric-20241026142300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500"></span>D'acord! --<a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Enric" title="Usuari Discussió:Enric">discussió</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 27 oct 2024 (CET)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027153500","author":"Enric","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Enric-20241027153500-Vriullop-20241027082500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KRLS-20241011154700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides-20241011154700","replies":["c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides"],"text":"Peticions a p\u00e0gines protegides","linkableTitle":"Peticions a p\u00e0gines protegides"}--><h2 id="Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides" data-mw-thread-id="h-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides-20241011154700"><span id="Peticions_a_p.C3.A0gines_protegides"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides-20241011154700"></span>Peticions a pàgines protegides<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides-20241011154700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop&action=edit&section=14" title="Modifica la secció: Peticions a pàgines protegides"><span>modifica</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KRLS-20241011154700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides-20241011154700","replies":["c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700","timestamp":"20241011161700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-KRLS-20241011154700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides-20241011154700","replies":["c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides"],"text":"Peticions a p\u00e0gines protegides","linkableTitle":"Peticions a p\u00e0gines protegides"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides"></span>Peticions a pàgines protegidesHola Vriullop! El pròxim cop que facis una petició de modificació de pàgines protegides, t'agrairia que em citessis, així et podré donar resposta més ràpida. M'ha sabut molt greu veure que feia molts mesos que ho havies demanat.--<a href="/wiki/Usuari:KRLS" title="Usuari:KRLS">KRLS</a>, (<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:KRLS" title="Usuari Discussió:KRLS">disc.</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 11 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011154700","author":"KRLS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_p\u00e0gines_protegides","replies":["c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KRLS-20241011154700-Peticions_a_pàgines_protegides"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700"></span>Era l'estiu i per mi no hi havia presa. Quan reprengui el mode fosc hi haurà més coses. Ja et faré un ping. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Vriullop" title="Usuari:Vriullop">V.RiuLlop</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">parlem-ne</a>) <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:Vriullop#c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 11 oct 2024 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">respon</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011161700","author":"Vriullop","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700","replies":[],"displayName":"V.RiuLlop"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vriullop-20241011161700-KRLS-20241011154700"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.eqiad.main‐7f6c5f4958‐7zk26 Cached time: 20241128230334 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.043 seconds CPU time usage: 0.198 seconds Real time usage: 0.299 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1286/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 11285/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 5393/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 10/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 207/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.035/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 1483629/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 156.942 1 -total 54.50% 85.527 10 Plantilla:GetLabelFix 38.70% 60.744 4 Plantilla:P 33.49% 52.552 6 Plantilla:Q 19.40% 30.453 1 Usuari_Discussió:Vriullop/capçalera 13.72% 21.538 18 Plantilla:Qid_normalize 6.89% 10.810 1 Plantilla:Barra_d'arxius 4.11% 6.455 7 Plantilla:Ping 3.05% 4.793 5 Plantilla:Tl 1.74% 2.725 1 Plantilla:Columnes --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key cawiki:pcache:1981308:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241128230334 and revision id 34163514. 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