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vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Editnotice § adding a backlink to edit notices</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Revision_slider_missing?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Revision_slider_missing?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Revision slider missing?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Revision_slider_missing?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li 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href="https://ab.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D0%90%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D3%99_%D1%86%D1%85%D1%8B%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0" title="Авикипедиа:Афорум/Атехникатә цхыраара – Abkhazian" lang="ab" hreflang="ab" data-title="Авикипедиа:Афорум/Атехникатә цхыраара" data-language-autonym="Аԥсшәа" data-language-local-name="Abkhazian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Аԥсшәа</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ar mw-list-item"><a href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9" title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان/تقنية – Arabic" lang="ar" hreflang="ar" data-title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان/تقنية" data-language-autonym="العربية" data-language-local-name="Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>العربية</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-an mw-list-item"><a href="https://an.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tabierna/Tecnica" title="Wikipedia:Tabierna/Tecnica – Aragonese" lang="an" hreflang="an" data-title="Wikipedia:Tabierna/Tecnica" data-language-autonym="Aragonés" data-language-local-name="Aragonese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Aragonés</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-azb mw-list-item"><a href="https://azb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%A9%D9%86%D8%AF_%D9%85%D8%A6%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C/%D9%81%D9%86%DB%8C" title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی/فنی – South Azerbaijani" lang="azb" hreflang="azb" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی/فنی" data-language-autonym="تۆرکجه" data-language-local-name="South Azerbaijani" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>تۆرکجه</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF_%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%BE" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:কারিগরি আলোচনাসভা – Bangla" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:কারিগরি আলোচনাসভা" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bangla" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>বাংলা</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bjn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bjn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidia:Warung_Kupi_(Teknis)" title="Wikipidia:Warung Kupi (Teknis) – Banjar" lang="bjn" hreflang="bjn" data-title="Wikipidia:Warung Kupi (Teknis)" data-language-autonym="Banjar" data-language-local-name="Banjar" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Banjar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bar mw-list-item"><a href="https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Bavarian" lang="bar" hreflang="bar" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Boarisch" data-language-local-name="Bavarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Boarisch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bs mw-list-item"><a href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%C4%8Car%C5%A1ija/Tehnika" title="Wikipedia:Čaršija/Tehnika – Bosnian" lang="bs" hreflang="bs" data-title="Wikipedia:Čaršija/Tehnika" data-language-autonym="Bosanski" data-language-local-name="Bosnian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bosanski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ca mw-list-item"><a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquip%C3%A8dia:La_taverna/Tecnicismes" title="Viquipèdia:La taverna/Tecnicismes – Catalan" lang="ca" hreflang="ca" data-title="Viquipèdia:La taverna/Tecnicismes" data-language-autonym="Català" data-language-local-name="Catalan" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Català</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou_(technika)" title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou (technika) – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou (technika)" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-da mw-list-item"><a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teknisk_forum" title="Wikipedia:Teknisk forum – Danish" lang="da" hreflang="da" data-title="Wikipedia:Teknisk forum" data-language-autonym="Dansk" data-language-local-name="Danish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Dansk</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-se mw-list-item"><a href="https://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teknihkka" title="Wikipedia:Teknihkka – Northern Sami" lang="se" hreflang="se" data-title="Wikipedia:Teknihkka" data-language-autonym="Davvisámegiella" data-language-local-name="Northern Sami" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Davvisámegiella</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik/Werkstatt" title="Wikipedia:Technik/Werkstatt – German" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik/Werkstatt" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="German" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Deutsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dty mw-list-item"><a href="https://dty.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B_(%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो (प्राविधिक) – Doteli" lang="dty" hreflang="dty" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो (प्राविधिक)" data-language-autonym="डोटेली" data-language-local-name="Doteli" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>डोटेली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-es mw-list-item"><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/T%C3%A9cnica/Actual" title="Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Técnica/Actual – Spanish" lang="es" hreflang="es" data-title="Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Técnica/Actual" data-language-autonym="Español" data-language-local-name="Spanish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Español</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eo mw-list-item"><a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Teknikejo" title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Teknikejo – Esperanto" lang="eo" hreflang="eo" data-title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo/Teknikejo" data-language-autonym="Esperanto" data-language-local-name="Esperanto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Esperanto</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eu badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Txokoa/Laguntza" title="Wikipedia:Txokoa/Laguntza – Basque" lang="eu" hreflang="eu" data-title="Wikipedia:Txokoa/Laguntza" data-language-autonym="Euskara" data-language-local-name="Basque" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Euskara</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%82%D9%87%D9%88%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87/%D9%81%D9%86%DB%8C" title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/فنی – Persian" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه/فنی" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="Persian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>فارسی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Questions_techniques" title="Wikipédia:Questions techniques – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Questions techniques" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gl mw-list-item"><a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A_Taberna_(t%C3%A9cnica)" title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (técnica) – Galician" lang="gl" hreflang="gl" data-title="Wikipedia:A Taberna (técnica)" data-language-autonym="Galego" data-language-local-name="Galician" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Galego</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-glk mw-list-item"><a href="https://glk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%D9%82%D8%A3%D9%88%D9%87_%D8%AF%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A4%D9%86/%D9%81%D9%86%D8%AF_%D8%A4_%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%85" title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/فند ؤ لیم – Gilaki" lang="glk" hreflang="glk" data-title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن/فند ؤ لیم" data-language-autonym="گیلکی" data-language-local-name="Gilaki" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>گیلکی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ko mw-list-item"><a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%91%EB%B0%A9_(%EA%B8%B0%EC%88%A0)" title="위키백과:사랑방 (기술) – Korean" lang="ko" hreflang="ko" data-title="위키백과:사랑방 (기술)" data-language-autonym="한국어" data-language-local-name="Korean" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>한국어</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hy mw-list-item"><a href="https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8E%D5%AB%D6%84%D5%AB%D5%BA%D5%A5%D5%A4%D5%AB%D5%A1:%D4%BD%D5%B8%D6%80%D5%B0%D6%80%D5%A4%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B6/%D5%BF%D5%A5%D5%AD%D5%B6%D5%AB%D5%AF%D5%A1%D5%AF%D5%A1%D5%B6" title="Վիքիպեդիա:Խորհրդարան/տեխնիկական – Armenian" lang="hy" hreflang="hy" data-title="Վիքիպեդիա:Խորհրդարան/տեխնիկական" data-language-autonym="Հայերեն" data-language-local-name="Armenian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Հայերեն</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hr mw-list-item"><a href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Kafi%C4%87/Tehni%C4%8Dka_pitanja" title="Wikipedija:Kafić/Tehnička pitanja – Croatian" lang="hr" hreflang="hr" data-title="Wikipedija:Kafić/Tehnička pitanja" data-language-autonym="Hrvatski" data-language-local-name="Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Hrvatski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ilo mw-list-item"><a href="https://ilo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Teknikal" title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Teknikal – Iloko" lang="ilo" hreflang="ilo" data-title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan/Teknikal" data-language-autonym="Ilokano" data-language-local-name="Iloko" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ilokano</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Teknis)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Teknis) – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Teknis)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-it mw-list-item"><a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Officina" title="Wikipedia:Officina – Italian" lang="it" hreflang="it" data-title="Wikipedia:Officina" data-language-autonym="Italiano" data-language-local-name="Italian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Italiano</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jv mw-list-item"><a href="https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Angkringan_T%C3%A8hnis" title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Tèhnis – Javanese" lang="jv" hreflang="jv" data-title="Wikipédia:Angkringan Tèhnis" data-language-autonym="Jawa" data-language-local-name="Javanese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Jawa</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ka mw-list-item"><a href="https://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%98%E1%83%9E%E1%83%94%E1%83%93%E1%83%98%E1%83%90:%E1%83%A4%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A0%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9B%E1%83%98/%E1%83%A2%E1%83%94%E1%83%A5%E1%83%9C%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%A3%E1%83%A0%E1%83%98_%E1%83%A1%E1%83%90%E1%83%99%E1%83%98%E1%83%97%E1%83%AE%E1%83%94%E1%83%91%E1%83%98" title="ვიკიპედია:ფორუმი/ტექნიკური საკითხები – Georgian" lang="ka" hreflang="ka" data-title="ვიკიპედია:ფორუმი/ტექნიკური საკითხები" data-language-autonym="ქართული" data-language-local-name="Georgian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ქართული</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ks mw-list-item"><a href="https://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%90%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%96%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D8%A0%D8%B3%D9%8E%D9%85%D8%A8%D9%8E%D9%84%DB%8C_(%D8%AA%D9%8E%DA%A9%D9%86%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%A9%DB%8C)" title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:اؠسَمبَلی (تَکنیٖکی) – Kashmiri" lang="ks" hreflang="ks" data-title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:اؠسَمبَلی (تَکنیٖکی)" data-language-autonym="कॉशुर / کٲشُر" data-language-local-name="Kashmiri" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>कॉशुर / کٲشُر</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kk mw-list-item"><a href="https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B%D2%9B" title="Уикипедия:Форум/Техникалық – Kazakh" lang="kk" hreflang="kk" data-title="Уикипедия:Форум/Техникалық" data-language-autonym="Қазақша" data-language-local-name="Kazakh" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Қазақша</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ku mw-list-item"><a href="https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%AEk%C3%AEpediya:D%C3%AEwan_(tekn%C3%AEk%C3%AE)" title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (teknîkî) – Kurdish" lang="ku" hreflang="ku" data-title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan (teknîkî)" data-language-autonym="Kurdî" data-language-local-name="Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Kurdî</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-la mw-list-item"><a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Nuntii_Technici" title="Vicipaedia:Nuntii Technici – Latin" lang="la" hreflang="la" data-title="Vicipaedia:Nuntii Technici" data-language-autonym="Latina" data-language-local-name="Latin" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Latina</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(m%C5%B1szaki)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a href="https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D_(%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82)" title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (സാങ്കേതികം) – Malayalam" lang="ml" hreflang="ml" data-title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് (സാങ്കേതികം)" data-language-autonym="മലയാളം" data-language-local-name="Malayalam" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>മലയാളം</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mr mw-list-item"><a href="https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80/%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A8" title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/तांत्रिक प्रश्न – Marathi" lang="mr" hreflang="mr" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/तांत्रिक प्रश्न" data-language-autonym="मराठी" data-language-local-name="Marathi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>मराठी</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kopi_(teknikal)" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (teknikal) – Malay" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi (teknikal)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="Malay" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Melayu</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%80%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%96%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%9B%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%86%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA_(%E1%80%94%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8%E1%80%95%E1%80%8A%E1%80%AC)" title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (နည်းပညာ) – Burmese" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် (နည်းပညာ)" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="Burmese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>မြန်မာဘာသာ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SHEIC" title="Wikipedia:SHEIC – Dutch" lang="nl" hreflang="nl" data-title="Wikipedia:SHEIC" data-language-autonym="Nederlands" data-language-local-name="Dutch" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Nederlands</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80_(%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95)" title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (प्राविधिक) – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी (प्राविधिक)" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ce mw-list-item"><a href="https://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD" title="Википеди:Форум/Техникин – Chechen" lang="ce" hreflang="ce" data-title="Википеди:Форум/Техникин" data-language-autonym="Нохчийн" data-language-local-name="Chechen" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Нохчийн</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-frr mw-list-item"><a href="https://frr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:T%C3%A4chnik" title="Wikipedia:Tächnik – Northern Frisian" lang="frr" hreflang="frr" data-title="Wikipedia:Tächnik" data-language-autonym="Nordfriisk" data-language-local-name="Northern Frisian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Nordfriisk</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uz mw-list-item"><a href="https://uz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Forum/Texnik_savollar" title="Vikipediya:Forum/Texnik savollar – Uzbek" lang="uz" hreflang="uz" data-title="Vikipediya:Forum/Texnik savollar" data-language-autonym="Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча" data-language-local-name="Uzbek" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pfl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pfl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Palatine German" lang="pfl" hreflang="pfl" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Pälzisch" data-language-local-name="Palatine German" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Pälzisch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-blk mw-list-item"><a href="https://blk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%81%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:Village_pump_(%E1%80%A1%E1%80%94%E1%80%9A%E1%80%BA%EA%A9%BB%E1%80%95%E1%80%8A%E1%80%AC%E1%82%8F)" title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အနယ်ꩻပညာႏ) – Pa'O" lang="blk" hreflang="blk" data-title="ဝီခီပီးဒီးယား:Village pump (အနယ်ꩻပညာႏ)" data-language-autonym="ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ" data-language-local-name="Pa'O" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A8%D9%86%DA%89%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%81%D8%A7%DB%8C/%D8%AA%D8%AE%D9%86%D9%8A%DA%A9" title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/تخنيک – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای/تخنيک" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>پښتو</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nds mw-list-item"><a href="https://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technik" title="Wikipedia:Technik – Low German" lang="nds" hreflang="nds" data-title="Wikipedia:Technik" data-language-autonym="Plattdüütsch" data-language-local-name="Low German" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Plattdüütsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie_techniczne" title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie techniczne – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie techniczne" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Polski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt mw-list-item"><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores" title="Wikipédia:Café dos programadores – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Café dos programadores" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Português</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ksh mw-list-item"><a href="https://ksh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Technische_Krom" title="Wikipedia:Technische Krom – Colognian" lang="ksh" hreflang="ksh" data-title="Wikipedia:Technische Krom" data-language-autonym="Ripoarisch" data-language-local-name="Colognian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ripoarisch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rm mw-list-item"><a href="https://rm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Novitads_da_tecnica" title="Wikipedia:Novitads da tecnica – Romansh" lang="rm" hreflang="rm" data-title="Wikipedia:Novitads da tecnica" data-language-autonym="Rumantsch" data-language-local-name="Romansh" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Rumantsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Форум/Технический – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Технический" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Русский</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%8D:%D0%9A%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D1%8D%D1%80_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%8D%D0%B9" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Техническэй – Yakut" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир/Техническэй" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="Yakut" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Саха тыла</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपीडिया:तन्त्रांशसभा – Sanskrit" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:तन्त्रांशसभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="Sanskrit" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>संस्कृतम्</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sq mw-list-item"><a href="https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hap%C3%ABsira_teknike" title="Wikipedia:Hapësira teknike – Albanian" lang="sq" hreflang="sq" data-title="Wikipedia:Hapësira teknike" data-language-autonym="Shqip" data-language-local-name="Albanian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Shqip</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-scn mw-list-item"><a href="https://scn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti" title="Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti – Sicilian" lang="scn" hreflang="scn" data-title="Wikipedia:Malfunziunamenti" data-language-autonym="Sicilianu" data-language-local-name="Sicilian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Sicilianu</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F:%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%9D%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%92_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%9A_(%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%8A%E0%B7%82%E0%B6%AB%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9A)" title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (තාක්ෂණික) – Sinhala" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ (තාක්ෂණික)" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="Sinhala" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>සිංහල</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD_%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88/%D9%BD%D9%8A%DA%AA%D9%86%D9%8A%DA%AA%D9%84" title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/ٽيڪنيڪل – Sindhi" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو/ٽيڪنيڪل" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="Sindhi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>سنڌي</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sk mw-list-item"><a href="https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kaviare%C5%88/Technick%C3%A9" title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Technické – Slovak" lang="sk" hreflang="sk" data-title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň/Technické" data-language-autonym="Slovenčina" data-language-local-name="Slovak" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Slovenčina</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-szl mw-list-item"><a href="https://szl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Tech%C5%84iczne_kwestyje" title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Techńiczne kwestyje – Silesian" lang="szl" hreflang="szl" data-title="Wikipedyjo:Sztamtisz/Techńiczne kwestyje" data-language-autonym="Ślůnski" data-language-local-name="Silesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Ślůnski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-so mw-list-item"><a href="https://so.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Goob/Farsamo" title="Wikipedia:Goob/Farsamo – Somali" lang="so" hreflang="so" data-title="Wikipedia:Goob/Farsamo" data-language-autonym="Soomaaliga" data-language-local-name="Somali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Soomaaliga</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ckb mw-list-item"><a href="https://ckb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%88%DB%95%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86_(%D8%AA%DB%95%DA%A9%D9%86%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C)" title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان (تەکنیکی) – Central Kurdish" lang="ckb" hreflang="ckb" data-title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان (تەکنیکی)" data-language-autonym="کوردی" data-language-local-name="Central Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>کوردی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0" title="Википедија:Трг/Техника – Serbian" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг/Техника" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="Serbian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Српски / srpski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sh mw-list-item"><a href="https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Pijaca/Tehni%C4%8Dka_pitanja" title="Wikipedija:Pijaca/Tehnička pitanja – Serbo-Croatian" lang="sh" hreflang="sh" data-title="Wikipedija:Pijaca/Tehnička pitanja" data-language-autonym="Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски" data-language-local-name="Serbo-Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-su mw-list-item"><a href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sawala_(t%C3%A9knis)" title="Wikipedia:Sawala (téknis) – Sundanese" lang="su" hreflang="su" data-title="Wikipedia:Sawala (téknis)" data-language-autonym="Sunda" data-language-local-name="Sundanese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Sunda</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fi mw-list-item"><a href="https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(tekniikka)" title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (tekniikka) – Finnish" lang="fi" hreflang="fi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone (tekniikka)" data-language-autonym="Suomi" data-language-local-name="Finnish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Suomi</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ta mw-list-item"><a href="https://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%80%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE:%E0%AE%86%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF_(%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8A%E0%AE%B4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D)" title="விக்கிப்பீடியா:ஆலமரத்தடி (தொழினுட்பம்) – Tamil" lang="ta" hreflang="ta" data-title="விக்கிப்பீடியா:ஆலமரத்தடி (தொழினுட்பம்)" data-language-autonym="தமிழ்" data-language-local-name="Tamil" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>தமிழ்</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tt mw-list-item"><a href="https://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Техник форум – Tatar" lang="tt" hreflang="tt" data-title="Википедия:Техник форум" data-language-autonym="Татарча / tatarça" data-language-local-name="Tatar" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Татарча / tatarça</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-shn mw-list-item"><a href="https://shn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%B6%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%BD%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%82%83%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%81%A2%E1%81%BC%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%99%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%B5%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88_(%E1%80%95%E1%81%A2%E1%82%86%E1%80%B8%E1%80%91%E1%82%85%E1%81%B5%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89)" title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ပၢႆးထႅၵ်ႉ) – Shan" lang="shn" hreflang="shn" data-title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ (ပၢႆးထႅၵ်ႉ)" data-language-autonym="ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး " data-language-local-name="Shan" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး </span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-te mw-list-item"><a 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However, if the edit page is opened by <a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/DraftCleaner.js" title="User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/DraftCleaner.js">DraftCleaner</a>, the edit page isn't blocked and I can edit as usual, including if other scripts refresh the page. Why does this happen, and is there a way to block the edit page in this case? <a href="/wiki/User:Suntooooth" title="User:Suntooooth">Suntooooth</a>, it/he (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suntooooth" title="User talk:Suntooooth">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Suntooooth" title="Special:Contributions/Suntooooth">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Suntooooth-20241119033100-Lockout_script_misbehaving" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suntooooth-20241119033100-Lockout_script_misbehaving"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suntooooth-20241119033100-Lockout_script_misbehaving"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Suntooooth" title="User:Suntooooth"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100-Suntooooth-20241119033100"></span>Suntooooth</a>, that's because DraftCleaner uses <code>?action=submit</code> to open the editor, while your lockout script only checks for <code>?action=edit</code>. You could change the condition of the if-statement to something like <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-javascript mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><span class="o">!</span><span class="p">[</span><span class="s2">"edit"</span><span class="p">,</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="s2">"submit"</span><span class="p">].</span><span class="nx">includes</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nx">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">config</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">get</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="s2">"wgAction"</span><span class="p">))</span></code>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rummskartoffel" title="User talk:Rummskartoffel"><span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100-Suntooooth-20241119033100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100-Suntooooth-20241119033100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100-Suntooooth-20241119033100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suntooooth-20241124184600-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100"></span>I'll try that out, thank you! :] <a href="/wiki/User:Suntooooth" title="User:Suntooooth">Suntooooth</a>, it/he (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suntooooth" title="User talk:Suntooooth">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Suntooooth" title="Special:Contributions/Suntooooth">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Suntooooth-20241124184600-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suntooooth-20241124184600-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suntooooth-20241124184600-Rummskartoffel-20241123212100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice-20241121122200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice-20241121122200"></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Badtitle" class="new" title="Special:Badtitle (page does not exist)">Special:Badtitle</a> in pending changes notice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice-20241121122200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Special:Badtitle in pending changes notice"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1227084136">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;width:12em;border:1px solid #72777d;border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#EAECF0);color:var(--color-base,#202122);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked-closure{color:black;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}</style><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a><br/><span class="tracked-url"><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380519" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T380519"><span class="trakfab-T380519"> Task T380519</span></a></span><br/><span class="tracked-closure tracked-resolved">Resolved</span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smartse-20241121122200-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice"></span>Over at <a href="/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)" title="Silk Road (marketplace)">Silk Road (marketplace)</a> where there was a pending changes notice on the history tab, the links in it were all broken with <a href="/wiki/Special:Badtitle" class="new" title="Special:Badtitle (page does not exist)">Special:Badtitle</a> being used. Looking at <a href="/wiki/Special:PendingChanges" title="Special:PendingChanges">Special:PendingChanges</a> this seems to affect other article titles as well. It seems to be an issue with <code>mw-fr-revision-tag-edit</code>: </p> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">div</span> <span class="na">id</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"mw-fr-revision-tag-edit"</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"cdx-message mw-fr-message-box cdx-message--block cdx-message--notice flaggedrevs_notice plainlinks"</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">span</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"cdx-message__icon"</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">span</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">div</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"cdx-message__content"</span><span class="p">></span>The <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">a</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"external text"</span> <span class="na">href</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/Message&amp;stable=1"</span><span class="p">></span>latest accepted version<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">a</span><span class="p">></span> was <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">a</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"external text"</span> <span class="na">href</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=review&amp;page=Special:Badtitle/Message"</span><span class="p">></span>reviewed<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">a</span><span class="p">></span> on <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">i</span><span class="p">></span>20 November 2024<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">i</span><span class="p">></span>. There is <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">a</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"external text"</span> <span class="na">href</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/Message&amp;oldid=1258565930&amp;diff=cur&amp;diffonly=0"</span><span class="p">></span>1 pending revision<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">a</span><span class="p">></span> awaiting review.<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">div</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">div</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Smartse" title="User:Smartse">SmartSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smartse" title="User talk:Smartse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Smartse-20241121122200-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smartse-20241121122200-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smartse-20241121122200-Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice"></span> </p><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Pisco" title="Pisco"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121131500-Smartse-20241121122200"></span>Pisco</a> is currently listed at <a href="/wiki/Special:PendingChanges" title="Special:PendingChanges">Special:PendingChanges</a> so <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pisco&action=history">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pisco&action=history</a> shows the issue right now. The message is made by <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic" title="MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic">MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic</a>. We have customized it but the links are generated in the same way as the default message and the problem is also seen for an uncostumized message with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pisco&action=history&uselang=de">uselang=de</a> (German). The message uses <code>{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}</code> which apparently returns <code>Special:Badtitle/Message</code> in that message. The same history page uses <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Histlegend" title="MediaWiki:Histlegend">MediaWiki:Histlegend</a> where <code>{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}</code> works correctly. <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic" title="MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic">MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic</a> is from an extension. Maybe that causes the difference. We got 1.44.0-wmf.4 today. If the issue started today then it sounds like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ITSTHURSDAY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ITSTHURSDAY">WP:ITSTHURSDAY</a> with a problem in something at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.44/wmf.4" class="extiw" title="mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.4">mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.4</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241121131500-Smartse-20241121122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121131500-Smartse-20241121122200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241121131500-Smartse-20241121122200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121135600-Smartse-20241121122200"></span>Here is a quick and dirty fix for <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.js" title="Special:MyPage/common.js">your common JavaScript</a>:</dd> <dd><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-javascript mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="nb">document</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">body</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">innerHTML</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="o">=</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nb">document</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">body</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">innerHTML</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">replace</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="sr">/Special:Badtitle\/Message/g</span><span class="p">,</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nx">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">config</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">get</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="s1">'wgPageName'</span><span class="p">));</span> </pre></div></dd> <dd>It changes <code>Special:Badtitle/Message</code> everywhere (maybe the bug affects other messages) including in the edit window for this section, so don't edit it if you add the fix. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241121135600-Smartse-20241121122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121135600-Smartse-20241121122200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241121135600-Smartse-20241121122200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-20241121150600-PrimeHunter-20241121135600"></span>I don't see a phabricator ticket. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a>, do you want to write something up? I'm wondering if this has something to do with <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">* <a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/016644c4" class="extiw" title="gerrit:q/016644c4">git #016644c4</a> - Do not pre-parse MessageValue arguments (<a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380045" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T380045">T380045</a>) by Isabelle Hurbain-Palatin</q>? I did do a quick test to confirm that <code>{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}</code> (or <code>{{FULLPAGENAME}}</code>) are directly producing the <code>Special:Badtitle/Message</code> text, it's not just happening when passed through <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Paths" title="Help:Magic words">fullurl:</a>}}</code> or when linked.<span class="nowrap">--<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Ahecht-20241121150600-PrimeHunter-20241121135600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-20241121150600-PrimeHunter-20241121135600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-20241121150600-PrimeHunter-20241121135600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121181300-Ahecht-20241121150600"></span>I have created <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380519" class="extiw" title="phab:T380519">phab:T380519</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241121181300-Ahecht-20241121150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121181300-Ahecht-20241121150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241121181300-Ahecht-20241121150600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121213400-PrimeHunter-20241121181300"></span>I have made a partial fix <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Revreview-pending-basic&diff=prev&oldid=1258829219">[1]</a>. It fixes the third and most important link in the message by omitting the bad title. A title is unnecessary in diff links. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241121213400-PrimeHunter-20241121181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121213400-PrimeHunter-20241121181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241121213400-PrimeHunter-20241121181300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="code_editor" data-mw-thread-id="h-code_editor-20241122001500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-code_editor-20241122001500"></span>code editor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-code_editor-20241122001500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: code editor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500-code_editor"></span>Yep, I know, Thursday. Something has happened to the code editor. When I start typing, the code editor now pops up a window that shows a list of text strings that may match what it is that I'm typing. This list is not constrained to Lua keywords but apparently is a list of all words in the module. How do I turn that off? </p><p>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500-code_editor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500-code_editor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500-code_editor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122013000-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500"></span>Try this in <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.css" title="Special:MyPage/common.css">your CSS</a>:</dd> <dd><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">ace_autocomplete</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">{</span><span class="k">display</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="kc">none</span><span class="p">;}</span> </pre></div></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241122013000-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122013000-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241122013000-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500"></span>Copying from the <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377663" class="extiw" title="phab:T377663">phab:T377663</a> phab comment: <ul><li>You can disable it by pressing <code>Ctrl + ,</code> and unticking "Live Autocompletion".</li></ul></dd> <dd>(I was looking to see why the change hadn't been proposed for Tech News, and I see someone has just tagged it yesterday, so it will be included next week.) <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity_(WMF)" title="User:Quiddity (WMF)">Quiddity (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity_(WMF)" title="User talk:Quiddity (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700-Trappist_the_monk-20241122001500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122123200-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700"></span>Thanks both, <code>Ctrl + ,</code> worked. I wonder who thought that key combination is intuitive? Wasn't there a Dilbert comic about such shortcuts?</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122123200-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122123200-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trappist_the_monk-20241122123200-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-20241122151800-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity_(WMF)" title="User:Quiddity (WMF)">Quiddity (WMF)</a> That's useless because, even if it were documented somewhere, it doesn't persist. You have to re-set that preference every time you load the editor, even if you just hit the "preview" button. <span class="nowrap">--<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Ahecht-20241122151800-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-20241122151800-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-20241122151800-Quiddity_(WMF)-20241122015700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages-20241122012400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages-20241122012400"></span>Proposed change to tabs on redirect pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages-20241122012400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Proposed change to tabs on redirect pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stjn-20241122012400-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages"></span>I am proposing in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5324#10347051" class="extiw" title="phab:T5324">phab:T5324#10347051</a> that the page tabs on redirect pages (‘Article/Talk’ and ‘View’ depending on the page) get a small improvement: they would link to redirect pages themselves by default. Currently they link to their targets with a possibility of navigating back. The change should improve navigation from other actions, like going from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOW?action=history">history page for "WOW" redirect</a> to the redirect page itself. This should be especially beneficial for English Wikipedia since this community has a system of redirect templates. You would still be able to navigate to redirect target, just with an additional click. </p><p>Please let me know either here or on Phabricator (by awarding a token or leaving a comment there) if you are for, against or indifferent to this potential change. It was previously <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2020/16" class="extiw" title="m:Tech/News/2020/16">announced in Tech News in 2020</a> but no one went on to actually review the change. Hopefully this time would be different. <a href="/wiki/User:Stjn" title="User:Stjn">stjn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Stjn-20241122012400-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stjn-20241122012400-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stjn-20241122012400-Proposed_change_to_tabs_on_redirect_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Retro-20241122065600-Stjn-20241122012400"></span>Unsurprisingly, I agree with the change, having reopened the Phabricator task in 2019. I was using <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:User_scripts/Requests&oldid=896333339#Redirect_page_tab_behavior">this one-liner</a> to mitigate for a while.</dd> <dd>The talk page behavior is likely more contentious: essentially this turns talk page redirects into soft redirects when clicking on the 'Talk' tab, which is probably the most common way of accessing them. Numerous closely-related templates use redirects to centralize discussion (example: <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_news&redirect=no">Template talk:Cite news</a></span> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Citation_Style_1_templates" title="Category:Citation Style 1 templates">related templates</a>). Bot talk pages often redirect to the bot operator's talk page (5/10 of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_bots_by_number_of_edits" title="Wikipedia:List of bots by number of edits">top 10 active bots by edits</a> do this: <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cewbot&redirect=no">1</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ClueBot_NG&redirect=no">2</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Qwerfjkl_(bot)&redirect=no">3</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Monkbot&redirect=no">4</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JJMC89_bot_III&redirect=no">5</a></span>). Also in Wikipedia namespace you can find cases like AN and ANI that have a <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&redirect=no">merged talk</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Retro" title="User:Retro"><span style="color:red">Retro</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Retro#top" title="User talk:Retro"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Retro" title="Special:Contributions/Retro"><span style="color:blue">contribs</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Retro-20241122065600-Stjn-20241122012400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Retro-20241122065600-Stjn-20241122012400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Retro-20241122065600-Stjn-20241122012400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200-Retro-20241122065600"></span>Those are all cases where a normal page has a redirected talk page. I think the proposed change would only apply to <i>redirects</i> with redirected talk pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200-Retro-20241122065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200-Retro-20241122065600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200-Retro-20241122065600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Retro-20241122075200-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200"></span>Yeah, if that's the case, there's no issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Retro" title="User:Retro"><span style="color:red">Retro</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Retro#top" title="User talk:Retro"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Retro" title="Special:Contributions/Retro"><span style="color:blue">contribs</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Retro-20241122075200-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Retro-20241122075200-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Retro-20241122075200-Jlwoodwa-20241122073200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Agabi10-20241122090700-Retro-20241122065600"></span>If I understood correctly even in the case of going from a redirected article to a redirected talk page it would go to the target of the redirected talk page. The change as I understood would be: <ul><li>When going from history, info,... of a redirected article to the article itself it would stay in the redirect</li> <li>When going from history, info,... of a redirected talk page to the talk itself it would stay in the redirect</li></ul></dd> <dd>Going from a redirected article to the redirected talk page would still behave as it does now. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Agabi10&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Agabi10 (page does not exist)">Agabi10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Agabi10" title="User talk:Agabi10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Agabi10-20241122090700-Retro-20241122065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Agabi10-20241122090700-Retro-20241122065600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Agabi10-20241122090700-Retro-20241122065600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anomie-20241122130100-Agabi10-20241122090700"></span>Looking at the current version (Patchset 2) of <a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/r/1094077" class="extiw" title="gerrit:r/1094077">gerrit:r/1094077</a>, your second bullet is not correct. The behavior is simpler: <ul><li>The talk tab would still follow the redirect, except when the talk tab is the current tab (e.g. you're already on the talk page with <code>&redirect=no</code>, or viewing the talk page history).</li> <li>The subject tab would always stay in the redirect.</li> <li>Extra tabs, such as TimedText on Commons or Source on Wikisource, will work similarly: stay on redirect if pointing to a subject namespace or are the current tab, follow redirect if pointing to a talk namespace and non-current.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Personally, I'm not so sure of this behavior change. When I'm already at a <code>&redirect=no</code>, I tend to click on the tab to follow the redirect. Clicking the link in the "soft-redirect" on the redirect=no page has different behavior in some edge cases (e.g. double redirects) and won't show the "redirected from" on the target page. OTOH, it's better than the more-consistent alternative that Retro was concerned about above, which would have made it much more likely for people to start commenting on redirected talk pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Anomie" title="User:Anomie">Anomie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anomie" title="User talk:Anomie">⚔</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Anomie-20241122130100-Agabi10-20241122090700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anomie-20241122130100-Agabi10-20241122090700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anomie-20241122130100-Agabi10-20241122090700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stjn-20241122132300-Anomie-20241122130100"></span>The current Gerrit patchset is a first attempt at implementing this. It should not be referenced as what I want to achieve. Ideally, only the tabs related to the currently viewed page would have <code>redirect=no</code> added. So TimedText/Source etc. should only be affected when they are the current page and user is viewing something related to the redirect.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Currently, there is no way to get to view the redirect page in one click even if you are on edit/history pages. That is more unacceptable than someone being a bit inconvenienced by having to click to the big article name and not the tab. <a href="/wiki/User:Stjn" title="User:Stjn">stjn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Stjn-20241122132300-Anomie-20241122130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stjn-20241122132300-Anomie-20241122130100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stjn-20241122132300-Anomie-20241122130100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anomie-20241123131100-Stjn-20241122132300"></span>How often do people really need to get to view the redirect page that one click rather than two for this use case outweighs the drawbacks of increasing the inconsistency of the UI and requiring editing the URL to follow the redirect as a reader would? <a href="/wiki/User:Anomie" title="User:Anomie">Anomie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anomie" title="User talk:Anomie">⚔</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Anomie-20241123131100-Stjn-20241122132300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anomie-20241123131100-Stjn-20241122132300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anomie-20241123131100-Stjn-20241122132300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stjn-20241123143200-Anomie-20241123131100"></span>‘Increasing inconsistency’ is your personal opinion that multiple people already disagreed with. In my opinion, it would <i>decrease</i> the inconsistency, as all the other page tabs relate and point to the current page, and not to the redirect target, so the main ones should, too. Currently people are already required to edit the URL, just in the other direction. <a href="/wiki/User:Stjn" title="User:Stjn">stjn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Stjn-20241123143200-Anomie-20241123131100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stjn-20241123143200-Anomie-20241123131100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stjn-20241123143200-Anomie-20241123131100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anomie-20241123235900-Stjn-20241123143200"></span>The inconsistency I referred to is that, with your proposed change, the tab will sometimes follow the redirect and sometimes not. PS6 seems intended to make it more sometimes-and-sometimes-not. As for URL editing, people don't have to edit the URL to get to the redirect page now, but they do need two clicks: one on the tab, following the redirect, and then one the "Redirected from" under the page title to get to the redirect itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Anomie" title="User:Anomie">Anomie</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anomie" title="User talk:Anomie">⚔</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Anomie-20241123235900-Stjn-20241123143200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anomie-20241123235900-Stjn-20241123143200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anomie-20241123235900-Stjn-20241123143200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241124003100-Anomie-20241123235900"></span>When I started on Wikipedia, waaaay back in May 2009, if you clicked on a link for a redirect, the redirection would occur client-side and your browsing history would get two entries: one for the redirect page, and one for where you got redirected to. An effect of this was that you needed to use the browser's "back" feature twice in order to return to where you first came from. A bonus side effect was that if you only used "back" once, you could then work on the redirect page directly - "edit", "history", etc., even "move" if you were that silly. Nowadays the redirection is performed server-side, which in some ways makes it harder. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Redrose64-20241124003100-Anomie-20241123235900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241124003100-Anomie-20241123235900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241124003100-Anomie-20241123235900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stjn-20241124211900-Anomie-20241123235900"></span>The tab will follow the redirect when you are not looking at the redirect page and won’t when you are. That is not inconsistent.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The workflow you described in the last sentence can also be described as requiring people to edit the URL to get to the redirect page, since it is much easier to copy the URL and then add <code>?redirect=no</code> than it is to aim at the barely visible ‘Redirected from’ notice (especially for section redirects, which do not show it at all, see <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T360255" class="extiw" title="phab:T360255">phab:T360255</a> / <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169282" class="extiw" title="phab:T169282">phab:T169282</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Stjn" title="User:Stjn">stjn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Stjn-20241124211900-Anomie-20241123235900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stjn-20241124211900-Anomie-20241123235900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stjn-20241124211900-Anomie-20241123235900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241124224600-Stjn-20241124211900"></span>Section redirects <i>do</i> show it, they're in the usual place below the page title. You just have to hit the <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1249182868">.mw-parser-output .keyboard-key{border:1px solid #aaa;border-radius:0.2em;box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.2em rgba(0,0,0,0.1);background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa);background-image:linear-gradient(to bottom,var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0),var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa),var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0));color:var(--color-base,#202122);padding:0.1em 0.3em;font-family:inherit;font-size:0.85em}</style><kbd class="keyboard-key nowrap">Home</kbd> key, that's all. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Redrose64-20241124224600-Stjn-20241124211900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241124224600-Stjn-20241124211900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241124224600-Stjn-20241124211900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stjn-20241122154100-Anomie-20241122130100"></span>Gerrit patch was improved to not affect the non-current or extra tabs. <a href="/wiki/User:Stjn" title="User:Stjn">stjn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Stjn-20241122154100-Anomie-20241122130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stjn-20241122154100-Anomie-20241122130100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stjn-20241122154100-Anomie-20241122130100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stjn-20241122124200-Retro-20241122065600"></span>I only mean that if someone is on the <i>redirect talk page</i>, they should be able to navigate to it from ‘Talk’ tab. Otherwise (‘Talk’ page on non-talk pages) there should be no change. <a href="/wiki/User:Stjn" title="User:Stjn">stjn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Stjn-20241122124200-Retro-20241122065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stjn-20241122124200-Retro-20241122065600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stjn-20241122124200-Retro-20241122065600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sdkb-20241122170400-Retro-20241122065600"></span>My initial thought is that this seems fine, since it'll only affect editors (readers have basically no reason to end up at a redirect page). But overall we should be careful not to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reader" title="Wikipedia:Reader">focus unduly</a> on our editing needs over their reading needs. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Sdkb-20241122170400-Retro-20241122065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20241122170400-Retro-20241122065600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20241122170400-Retro-20241122065600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20241123135500-Stjn-20241122012400"></span>I'm confused about what is being proposed here, so I'll just say that if the URL of the page I'm viewing includes "redirect=no" then I want that to be preserved when I click the article or talk tabs. When I'm viewing the non-redirected talk page of a redirect and click the article tab I could be wanting either the reidrect or its target, probably the former about two thirds to three quarters of the time, but as someone who does a lot of work with redirects I don't know how typical my workflow is. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Thryduulf-20241123135500-Stjn-20241122012400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20241123135500-Stjn-20241122012400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20241123135500-Stjn-20241122012400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem-20241122143400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem-20241122143400"></span>Mobile wikipedia images problem<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem-20241122143400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Mobile wikipedia images problem"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.217.45.191-20241122143400-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem"></span>Images on the sides of articles don't show up with Javscript disabled on en.m.wikipedia.org, only their captions. Images in the infobox and the main page load normally. If you don't want to show images in articles to users who disable Javascript in Firefox please remove the captions too so there's no clutter. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.217.45.191" title="Special:Contributions/31.217.45.191">31.217.45.191</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:31.217.45.191&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:31.217.45.191 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-31.217.45.191-20241122143400-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.217.45.191-20241122143400-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.217.45.191-20241122143400-Mobile_wikipedia_images_problem"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122162100-31.217.45.191-20241122143400"></span>It works for me with Firefox 132.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10, JavaScript disabled, both logged in and out. For example, I see <a href="/wiki/File:SN1998aq_max_spectra.svg" title="File:SN1998aq max spectra.svg">File:SN1998aq max spectra.svg</a> at <a href="/wiki/Type_Ia_supernova#Consensus_model" title="Type Ia supernova">Type Ia supernova#Consensus model</a>. Do you see the image on the article? On the file page? At <a class="external free" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/SN1998aq_max_spectra.svg">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/SN1998aq_max_spectra.svg</a>? If you see it on the article then please give an example you don't see. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241122162100-31.217.45.191-20241122143400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122162100-31.217.45.191-20241122143400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241122162100-31.217.45.191-20241122143400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.217.45.191-20241122193500-PrimeHunter-20241122162100"></span>My bad, I accidentally disabled <noscript> tags too in my browser. Sorry <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.217.45.191" title="Special:Contributions/31.217.45.191">31.217.45.191</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:31.217.45.191&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:31.217.45.191 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-31.217.45.191-20241122193500-PrimeHunter-20241122162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.217.45.191-20241122193500-PrimeHunter-20241122162100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.217.45.191-20241122193500-PrimeHunter-20241122162100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance-20241123001900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance-20241123001900"></span>Electcom seeks technical assistance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance-20241123001900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Electcom seeks technical assistance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20241123160000-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Resolved</div> – <span style="font-size: 85%">Thank you everybody for your input. I think we've got this resolved now. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-RoySmith-20241123160000-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20241123160000-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20241123160000-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20241123001900-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance"></span>In dealing with an issue, electcom implemented <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258984383" title="Special:Diff/1258984383">Special:Diff/1258984383</a> which unfortunately broke the question numbering. I'd appreciate any suggestions on what wikimarkup could be used to keep the hatted text hatted and also preserve the question numbering sequence. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-RoySmith-20241123001900-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20241123001900-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20241123001900-Electcom_seeks_technical_assistance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241123003800-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>Is this still a problem? I see the question numbers, including the collapsed one at question 21. If still an issue, please describe the problem a bit more. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241123003800-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241123003800-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241123003800-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-20241123004100-Xaosflux-20241123003800"></span>Try uncollapsing the text, and then try adding a new question beneath the old one. <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Izno-20241123004100-Xaosflux-20241123003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-20241123004100-Xaosflux-20241123003800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-20241123004100-Xaosflux-20241123003800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-20241123004100-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:ACE_Question" title="Template:ACE Question">ACE Question</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is implemented in a way which makes this practically impossible without something in the hatted text looking off if you collapse things. It basically assumes the structure of the container (an ordered list) and then indents the answer with wikitext <code>#:</code>. That is a flaw of that template that cannot be corrected without some non-0 study. <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Izno-20241123004100-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-20241123004100-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-20241123004100-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123030100-Izno-20241123004100"></span>Not only that, but <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hab" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Hab">hab</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> only works if it's added at a new line, which would break the numbering either way.</dd> <dd><s>The way it is currently</s> the hat just swallows new questions, the hab having no effect. – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41">2804:F1...86:EF41</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32">::/32</a>) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123030100-Izno-20241123004100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123030100-Izno-20241123004100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123030100-Izno-20241123004100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cryptic-20241123004500-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>The easy answer is just to remove the text instead of collapsing it. —<a href="/wiki/User:Cryptic" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cryptic">Cryptic</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Cryptic-20241123004500-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cryptic-20241123004500-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cryptic-20241123004500-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20241123005000-Cryptic-20241123004500"></span>OK, thank you all for the assistance. We'll put our heads together off-wiki and figure out a plan. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-RoySmith-20241123005000-Cryptic-20241123004500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20241123005000-Cryptic-20241123004500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20241123005000-Cryptic-20241123004500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaacl-20241123015200-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>You could create a wrapper div for the questions after 21 with a special class name, then create a style sheet (using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TemplateStyles" title="Wikipedia:TemplateStyles">Wikipedia:TemplateStyles</a>) that sets the starting number of the ordered list within that div. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Isaacl-20241123015200-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaacl-20241123015200-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaacl-20241123015200-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaacl-20241123020000-Isaacl-20241123015200"></span>More kludgily, since the list would be the second ordered list in the content area, the corresponding style sheet rule could be written to target the second ordered list. That would avoid the need for a wrapper div. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Isaacl-20241123020000-Isaacl-20241123015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaacl-20241123020000-Isaacl-20241123015200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaacl-20241123020000-Isaacl-20241123015200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaacl-20241123024500-Isaacl-20241123020000"></span>The style rule would be something like the following:<div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">mw-body-content</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">ol</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nd">nth-of-type</span><span class="o">(</span><span class="nt">2</span><span class="o">)</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nd">nth-of-type</span><span class="o">(</span><span class="nt">1</span><span class="o">)</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="k">counter-set</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="kc">list-item</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="mi">22</span><span class="p">;</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Isaacl-20241123024500-Isaacl-20241123020000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaacl-20241123024500-Isaacl-20241123020000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaacl-20241123024500-Isaacl-20241123020000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241123144900-Isaacl-20241123024500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">Isaacl</a>:</span> You don't need to go to those lengths. Ordered lists can be fudged directly, check this out: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span>Here is a list: <span class="k">#</span>This is the first item <span class="k">#</span>Second item <span class="k">#</span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="na">value</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">4</span><span class="p">></span>Not the third item <span class="k">#</span>List continues with text after. </pre></div> It's demonstrated at <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1259129034" title="Special:PermanentLink/1259129034">WP:Sandbox</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Redrose64-20241123144900-Isaacl-20241123024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241123144900-Isaacl-20241123024500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241123144900-Isaacl-20241123024500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123034000-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>From an accessibility point of view, is any other choice other than replacing with text (maybe with a permalink if you want it to be accessible) even good?</dd> <dd>The only thing I found that sorta works is wrapping it all in a <code>{{efn|1= ... }}</code>, but then you have to add a notelist somewhere where the question will actually appear (collapse and all). That doesn't break the numbering of the questions afterwards. – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41">2804:F1...86:EF41</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32">::/32</a>) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123034000-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123034000-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2804:F14:80BF:B801:2C78:517F:5E86:EF41-20241123034000-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123153400-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a>:</span> To be honest, I don't think it needs a complicated technical response. ARBPIA states that <span style="color:blue">this restriction may be enforced by other methods, including<span class="nowrap"> </span>... reverts</span>, and that applies <span style="color:blue">On any page where the restriction is not enforced through ECP</span>. So you can just get rid of it, much easier. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><b style="color:#7a0427;">SerialNumber</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><b style="color:#17662c;">54129</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123153400-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123153400-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123153400-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span>Thank you for unboxing, Redrose64. It was bloody uncivil of <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> to shut it off in the first place. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><b style="color:#7a0427;">SerialNumber</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><b style="color:#17662c;">54129</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200-RoySmith-20241123001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200-RoySmith-20241123001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200-RoySmith-20241123001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20241123211500-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200"></span>I didn't mean to be uncivil. I had the answers I needed, that was all. If folks want to continue to chat about this, please feel free to do so. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-RoySmith-20241123211500-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20241123211500-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20241123211500-Serial_Number_54129-20241123205200"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class-20241123092100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class-20241123092100"></span>Article incorrectly marked as List class<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class-20241123092100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Article incorrectly marked as List class"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editør-20241123092100-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class"></span>I noticed that the article <a href="/wiki/Femke" title="Femke">Femke</a> is wrongly marked as List class on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Femke" title="Talk:Femke">talk page</a>, where it should have been marked as GA class, like I believe it was previously, but now the class in the banner shell appears to be overridden. I suspect that this is somehow caused by / related to the <code><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Given_name" title="Template:Given name">given name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></code> template, despite the <code>section=y</code> parameter that indicates only one section and not the whole article contains a list of given names. Could this be fixed? – Editør (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edit%C3%B8r" title="User talk:Editør">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Editør-20241123092100-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editør-20241123092100-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editør-20241123092100-Article_incorrectly_marked_as_List_class"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20241123141600-Editør-20241123092100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Edit%C3%B8r&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Editør (page does not exist)">Editør</a>:</span> This is due to recent changes at <a href="/wiki/Module:Banner_shell" title="Module:Banner shell">Module:Banner shell</a>. You should see if there's anything on the matter at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WikiProject_banner_shell" title="Template talk:WikiProject banner shell">Template talk:WikiProject banner shell</a>. If there isn't, raise a thread on that page and and notify <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MSGJ" title="Special:Contributions/MSGJ">contribs</a>) when doing so. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Redrose64-20241123141600-Editør-20241123092100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-20241123141600-Editør-20241123092100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-20241123141600-Editør-20241123092100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editør-20241123171700-Redrose64-20241123141600"></span>Thanks. I couldn't find this topic on the talk page, so I <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WikiProject_banner_shell#Article_wrongly_marked_as_List_class" title="Template talk:WikiProject banner shell">added</a> it as advised. – Editør (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edit%C3%B8r" title="User talk:Editør">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Editør-20241123171700-Redrose64-20241123141600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editør-20241123171700-Redrose64-20241123141600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editør-20241123171700-Redrose64-20241123141600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-20241124144900-Editør-20241123092100"></span>The first sentence of that template says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Template:given name is only for use on Wikipedia set index articles</q>. If <a href="/wiki/Femke" title="Femke">Femke</a> isn't a set index article, then that template shouldn't be used there. Misusing templates can and usually does, break other things. Remove the template from that page and the banner should work. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Gonnym-20241124144900-Editør-20241123092100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-20241124144900-Editør-20241123092100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-20241124144900-Editør-20241123092100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editør-20241124182400-Gonnym-20241124144900"></span>Thank you for your comment, I've replied <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:WikiProject_banner_shell#c-Editør-20241124182200-Gonnym-20241124154200" title="Template talk:WikiProject banner shell">here</a>. – Editør (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edit%C3%B8r" title="User talk:Editør">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Editør-20241124182400-Gonnym-20241124144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editør-20241124182400-Gonnym-20241124144900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editør-20241124182400-Gonnym-20241124144900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector" data-mw-thread-id="h-Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector-20241123194900"><span id="Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II.2FTemplateProtector"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector-20241123194900"></span>Concern involving <a href="/wiki/User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector" title="User:MusikBot II/TemplateProtector">User:MusikBot II/TemplateProtector</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector-20241123194900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Concern involving User:MusikBot II/TemplateProtector"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div 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talk:MusikAnimal</a></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:JJPMaster" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="/wiki/She_(pronoun)" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="/wiki/Singular_they" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-JJPMaster-20241123194900-Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJPMaster-20241123194900-Concern_involving_User:MusikBot_II/TemplateProtector"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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talk:Twinkle § Problems with WP:Twinkle</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%">– <a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SD0001" title="User talk:SD0001">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-SD0001-20241124165600-Problems_with_WP:Twinkle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SD0001-20241124165600-Problems_with_WP:Twinkle"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SD0001-20241124165600-Problems_with_WP:Twinkle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices-20241125062300"><span id="Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_.C2.A7_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices-20241125062300"></span>Discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice#adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices" title="Wikipedia talk:Editnotice">Wikipedia talk:Editnotice § adding a backlink to edit notices</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices-20241125062300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Editnotice § adding a backlink to edit 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data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> You are invited to join the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice#adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices" title="Wikipedia talk:Editnotice">Wikipedia talk:Editnotice § adding a backlink to edit notices</a>. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"><a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb"><span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span></a></span> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb"><b>talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Sdkb-20241125062300-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sdkb-20241125062300-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sdkb-20241125062300-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Editnotice_§_adding_a_backlink_to_edit_notices"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Revision_slider_missing?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revision_slider_missing?-20241125113800"><span id="Revision_slider_missing.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Revision_slider_missing?-20241125113800"></span>Revision slider missing?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Revision_slider_missing?-20241125113800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Revision slider missing?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkiPoli-20241125113800-Revision_slider_missing?"></span>I am not sure if I changed something, but I've checked my common.js and preferences ("Don't show the revision slider" not checked) but the revision slider ("Browse history interactively") is not showing. Did I do something wrong or is it disabled? </<a href="/wiki/User:MarkiPoli" title="User:MarkiPoli">MarkiPoli</a>> <<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarkiPoli" title="User talk:MarkiPoli">talk</a> /><<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MarkiPoli" title="Special:Contributions/MarkiPoli">cont</a> /> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-MarkiPoli-20241125113800-Revision_slider_missing?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkiPoli-20241125113800-Revision_slider_missing?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkiPoli-20241125113800-Revision_slider_missing?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkiPoli-20241125114400-MarkiPoli-20241125113800"></span>Oh, it seems to be only on diff pages, not the "old revision" pages.</<a href="/wiki/User:MarkiPoli" title="User:MarkiPoli">MarkiPoli</a>> <<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarkiPoli" title="User talk:MarkiPoli">talk</a> /><<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MarkiPoli" title="Special:Contributions/MarkiPoli">cont</a> /> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-MarkiPoli-20241125114400-MarkiPoli-20241125113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkiPoli-20241125114400-MarkiPoli-20241125113800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkiPoli-20241125114400-MarkiPoli-20241125113800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RevDel_Error_Message" data-mw-thread-id="h-RevDel_Error_Message-20241125164000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RevDel_Error_Message-20241125164000"></span>RevDel Error Message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RevDel_Error_Message-20241125164000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: RevDel Error Message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000-RevDel_Error_Message"></span>I'm noticing a very unusual error, when I compare diffs between a deleted revision LTA and a live revision, it won't show, obviously, because I'm not an admin, but then it also pops up the following in a red box: </p><p>User doesn't have access to the requested revision (The revision #1259514017 belongs to a deleted page. You can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Wikipedia:Help_desk×tamp=20241125161251&diff=prev view it]; details can be found in the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Wikipedia:Help_desk deletion log].). </p><p> (I've nowikied the above, because the error box <i>literally</i> shows that).</p><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png/220px-Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="108" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png/330px-Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png/440px-Diff_of_Revdel_Error.png 2x" data-file-width="1312" data-file-height="644"/></a><figcaption>Screenshot of an error where the red box shows content that was supposed to include links, but links failed.</figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Rest-permission-denied-revision" title="MediaWiki:Rest-permission-denied-revision">MediaWiki:Rest-permission-denied-revision</a> would be the closest match to the error, I think. <a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm-alt" title="User:Myrealnamm-alt">Myrealnamm's Alternate Account</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myrealnamm-alt" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Myrealnamm-alt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000-RevDel_Error_Message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000-RevDel_Error_Message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000-RevDel_Error_Message"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matma_Rex-20241125165700-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000"></span>For reference, this is the diff: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=1259514721">[2]</a></dd> <dd>I can reproduce the problem, it seems to be caused by trying to display a visual diff, which neither you nor I can view. I found a similar bug report at <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T337817" class="extiw" title="phab:T337817">T337817</a>, although the error message has apparently changed since 2023. <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Matma_Rex-20241125165700-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matma_Rex-20241125165700-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matma_Rex-20241125165700-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125164000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125170500-Matma_Rex-20241125165700"></span>Huh. I remember clearly that days ago, perhaps weeks, the error message was still "Invalid response from server", like desribed at phab.</dd> <dd>If you go to a random diff, like this one: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259521939" title="Special:Diff/1259521939">Special:Diff/1259521939</a>, and you select Visual Editor, then go to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=1259514721">[3]</a>, the error will show. If you go back to <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259521939" title="Special:Diff/1259521939">Special:Diff/1259521939</a>, and select source editor, then if you return to [3] and reload the page, the error will not show. <a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm-alt" title="User:Myrealnamm-alt">Myrealnamm's Alternate Account</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myrealnamm-alt" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Myrealnamm-alt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125170500-Matma_Rex-20241125165700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125170500-Matma_Rex-20241125165700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125170500-Matma_Rex-20241125165700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drafts_dashboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drafts_dashboard-20241125174700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drafts_dashboard-20241125174700"></span>Drafts dashboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drafts_dashboard-20241125174700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Drafts dashboard"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clayoquot-20241125174700-Drafts_dashboard"></span>I saw a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Drafts/Archive_1">discussion about a useful-sounding Drafts dashboard </a>. The link is a 404: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/dashboards/enwiki-metrics#pages-graphs-tab">https://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/dashboards/enwiki-metrics#pages-graphs-tab</a> . Does anyone know what happened to it? Cheers and thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Clayoquot" title="User:Clayoquot">Clayoquot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clayoquot" title="User talk:Clayoquot">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Clayoquot" title="Special:Contributions/Clayoquot">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Clayoquot-20241125174700-Drafts_dashboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clayoquot-20241125174700-Drafts_dashboard"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clayoquot-20241125174700-Drafts_dashboard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241125214100-Clayoquot-20241125174700"></span>The <a href="https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/EE_Dashboard" class="extiw" title="wikitech:EE Dashboard">wikitech:EE Dashboard</a> seems to have been closed about 10 year ago. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241125214100-Clayoquot-20241125174700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241125214100-Clayoquot-20241125174700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241125214100-Clayoquot-20241125174700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clayoquot-20241125232200-Xaosflux-20241125214100"></span>Thanks. I checked a few URLs on the Wayback Machine and can't find anything archived either. <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> do you know any way to get this resurrected? <a href="/wiki/User:Clayoquot" title="User:Clayoquot">Clayoquot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clayoquot" title="User talk:Clayoquot">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Clayoquot" title="Special:Contributions/Clayoquot">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Clayoquot-20241125232200-Xaosflux-20241125214100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clayoquot-20241125232200-Xaosflux-20241125214100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clayoquot-20241125232200-Xaosflux-20241125214100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241126113700-Clayoquot-20241125232200"></span>You could try asking over at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Editing_team" class="extiw" title="mw:Talk:Editing team">mw:Talk:Editing team</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241126113700-Clayoquot-20241125232200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241126113700-Clayoquot-20241125232200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241126113700-Clayoquot-20241125232200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tech_News:_2024-48" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tech_News:_2024-48-20241125223900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tech_News:_2024-48-20241125223900"></span>Tech News: 2024-48<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tech_News:_2024-48-20241125223900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Tech News: 2024-48"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="plainlinks"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241125223900-Tech_News:_2024-48"></span>Latest <b><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">tech news</a></b> from the Wikimedia technical community. 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The list first shows portals starting with 0-9, then starting with A, B, C (including things not starting with C, but with a sortkey starting with a C), then continues through the alphabet with <b>R</b>, D, E, ..., P, Q, R, S, ... What is this extra letter "R" between C and D? </p><p>The issue was reported by <a href="/wiki/User:JoeNMLC" title="User:JoeNMLC">User:JoeNMLC</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#Curious_about_"Portal_category_list"" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#Curious_about_"Portal_category_list"</a> but this looks like it could use some wider attention. —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Kusma-20241126110000-Extra_letter_"R"_between_C_and_D_in_category_listing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20241126110000-Extra_letter_"R"_between_C_and_D_in_category_listing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20241126110000-Extra_letter_"R"_between_C_and_D_in_category_listing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241126113300-Kusma-20241126110000"></span>Fixed with forcing update of the category member by removing/readding to the category. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241126113300-Kusma-20241126110000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241126113300-Kusma-20241126110000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241126113300-Kusma-20241126110000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20241126115800-Xaosflux-20241126113300"></span>Thanks! So it was some kind of database hiccup? —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Kusma-20241126115800-Xaosflux-20241126113300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20241126115800-Xaosflux-20241126113300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20241126115800-Xaosflux-20241126113300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126121100-Kusma-20241126115800"></span>It looks like a hiccup or MediaWiki bug I haven't seen before. The Internet Archive shows <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240919122212/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:All_portals">[7]</a> the issue 19 September with an R heading between the C and D headings. <a href="/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates" title="Special:ExpandTemplates">Special:ExpandTemplates</a> shows <a href="/wiki/Portal:Reformed_Christianity" title="Portal:Reformed Christianity">Portal:Reformed Christianity</a> just adds a normal <code>[[Category:All portals]]</code> with no sortkey and no DEFAULTSORT. It's added by a template but even if the template had different code at the time, it should not be possible to create an R heading between C and D on a category page. The Internet Archive shows a normal Latin letter R and not some special Unicode character. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241126121100-Kusma-20241126115800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126121100-Kusma-20241126115800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241126121100-Kusma-20241126115800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126122300-Kusma-20241126115800"></span>Here is HTML source from the Internet Archive:</dd> <dd><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">a</span> <span class="na">href</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"/web/20240919122212/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Czech_Republic"</span> <span class="na">title</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"Portal:Czech Republic"</span><span class="p">></span>Portal:Czech Republic<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">a</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">div</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">div</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"mw-category-group"</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">h3</span><span class="p">></span>R<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">h3</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">a</span> <span class="na">href</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"/web/20240919122212/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Reformed_Christianity"</span> <span class="na">title</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"Portal:Reformed Christianity"</span><span class="p">></span>Portal:Reformed Christianity<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">a</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">div</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">div</span> <span class="na">class</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"mw-category-group"</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">h3</span><span class="p">></span>D<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">h3</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">a</span> <span class="na">href</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"/web/20240919122212/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Delaware"</span> <span class="na">title</span><span class="o">=</span><span class="s">"Portal:Delaware"</span><span class="p">></span>Portal:Delaware<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">a</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div></dd> <dd>It looks as you would expect if R was actually a letter betwen C and D and there was only one portal starting with R. The category collation system determining how to sort characters is sometimes changed and can be set differently for different wikis. Maybe this page was cached in the middle of a change or accidental setting. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-PrimeHunter-20241126122300-Kusma-20241126115800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126122300-Kusma-20241126115800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241126122300-Kusma-20241126115800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs-20241126154400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs-20241126154400"></span>Standard parameter name for Wikidata IDs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs-20241126154400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Standard parameter name for Wikidata IDs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs"></span>Some time ago, we standardised large numbers of templates so that they all used the same parameter names for the same thing; for example <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|birth_date=</code> instead of <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|birth-date=</code>, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|birthdate=</code>, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|birth=</code>, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|dob=</code>, etc. </p><p>I now find that we have a number of parameter names for a Wikidata item about a subject, for example: </p> <ul><li><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Authority_control" title="Template:Authority control">Authority control</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> - <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|qid=</code></li> <li><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Interlanguage_link" title="Template:Interlanguage link">Interlanguage link</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> - <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|WD=</code></li> <li><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Taxonbar" title="Template:Taxonbar">Taxonbar</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> - <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|from=</code></li></ul> <p>This causes confusion for editors who use more than one of these templates, on a regular or occasional basis. </p><p>I propose that we standardise these to <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|qid=</code>, while keeping existing names as aliases for backwards compatibility. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400-Standard_parameter_name_for_Wikidata_IDs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20241126170800-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400"></span>We also standardized on <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|coordinates=</code> in infoboxes a few years ago, which was a nice improvement. <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|qid=</code> makes the most sense to me for this purpose. I get <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7Bqid%5C%7C%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1">227 hits in template space</a> for <code>{qid|</code>, only <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7BWD%5C%7C%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1">10 hits</a> for <code>{WD|</code>, and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C%7Bfrom%5C%7C%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1">66 hits</a> for <code>{from|</code> (most of which are not Wikidata-related). – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Jonesey95-20241126170800-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20241126170800-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20241126170800-Pigsonthewing-20241126154400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user-20241126171900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user-20241126171900"></span>Batch reversion of edits by a single user<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user-20241126171900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Batch reversion of edits by a single user"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MeshLearning-20241126171900-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user"></span>(Note: Sorry, if this is a FAQ. Just provide the link and I'll be on my way.) </p><p>Does Wikipedia provide some means of reverting several edits by a single user in one go? As a concrete example, I cite the instance of the following user: </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Estradadarwin15">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Estradadarwin15</a> </p><p>The user appears to have made several edits within the span of a few days designed to assert or to falsely establish as fact that a number of large multinational drug companies are subsidiaries of a small privately held Philippine drug company. </p><p>Here's one particular instance: </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hisamitsu_Pharmaceutical&oldid=1259299932">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hisamitsu_Pharmaceutical&oldid=1259299932</a> </p><p>One of his edits (URL below) appear to have been reverted but there are at least three more. </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pfizer&oldid=1259300235">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pfizer&oldid=1259300235</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MeshLearning&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MeshLearning (page does not exist)">MeshLearning</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MeshLearning" title="User talk:MeshLearning">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-MeshLearning-20241126171900-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MeshLearning-20241126171900-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MeshLearning-20241126171900-Batch_reversion_of_edits_by_a_single_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MeshLearning&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MeshLearning (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwerfjkl-20241126172600-MeshLearning-20241126171900"></span>MeshLearning</a>, try <a href="/wiki/User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/massRollback" title="User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback">User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Kill-It-With-Fire" title="Wikipedia:Kill-It-With-Fire">Wikipedia:Kill-It-With-Fire</a>.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1732642012942:WikipediaFTTCLNVillage_pump_(technical)" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl" title="User:Qwerfjkl"><span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qwerfjkl" title="User talk:Qwerfjkl"><span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Qwerfjkl-20241126172600-MeshLearning-20241126171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwerfjkl-20241126172600-MeshLearning-20241126171900"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwerfjkl-20241126172600-MeshLearning-20241126171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity-20241126230000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity-20241126230000"></span>Most common language tags and TemplateData suggested values capacity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity-20241126230000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Most common language tags and TemplateData suggested values capacity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daask-20241126230000-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity"></span>I'm wondering if there is a way to produce a list of the most frequently used <a href="/wiki/IETF_BCP_47_language_tag" class="mw-redirect" title="IETF BCP 47 language tag">IETF BCP 47 language tags</a> in use on English Wikipedia. By "in use", I mean values for the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/dom.html#the-lang-and-xml:lang-attributes">HTML lang attribute</a> in current published articles. Such a list would be useful so that we could populate the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TemplateData#Adding_suggested_values_for_parameters" title="Wikipedia:TemplateData">TemplateData suggested values</a> of the <i>many</i> templates that have a language parameter with the values that editors are most likely to use. To be clear, I mean the full language tags with subtags, and not just the language code. </p><p>I'd also welcome guidance on how many suggested values is advisable for usability purposes. Instead of using most common values, I could include the 183 <a href="/wiki/ISO_639-1" title="ISO 639-1">ISO 639-1</a> codes. Is that too many? <a href="/wiki/User:Daask" title="User:Daask">Daask</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daask" title="User talk:Daask">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Daask-20241126230000-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daask-20241126230000-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daask-20241126230000-Most_common_language_tags_and_TemplateData_suggested_values_capacity"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daask-20241126231700-Daask-20241126230000"></span>I was expecting the answer would be to do a search on the HTML output of English Wikipedia, but I see that the subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_containing_non-English-language_text" title="Category:Articles containing non-English-language text">Category:Articles containing non-English-language text</a> are fairly detailed and include at least some subtags. I suppose an answer could be produced by finding the largest of these subcategories and then converting them from names back to language tags (probably with the same <a href="/wiki/Module:Lang" title="Module:Lang">Module:Lang</a> that populates them). I'm not sure how to do that. <a href="/wiki/User:Daask" title="User:Daask">Daask</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daask" title="User talk:Daask">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Daask-20241126231700-Daask-20241126230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daask-20241126231700-Daask-20241126230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daask-20241126231700-Daask-20241126230000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Watchlist" data-mw-thread-id="h-Watchlist-20241127010200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Watchlist-20241127010200"></span>Watchlist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Watchlist-20241127010200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Watchlist"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FlightTime-20241127010200-Watchlist"></span>Today I've been getting many articles regarding Uganda popping up on my watchlist, I have no idea how these articles got on my list, is there something (like compromising whatchlist) going on. I keep a copy of my list in notepad++, I just copied my backup to my list, and the first thing to po up was a Ugandan article. I guess I just asking if there a know issue. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><a href="/wiki/User:FlightTime" title="User:FlightTime"><span style="color:#800000"><b>FlightTime</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FlightTime" title="User talk:FlightTime"><span style="color:#1C0978"><b>open channel</b></span></a>)</small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-FlightTime-20241127010200-Watchlist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FlightTime-20241127010200-Watchlist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FlightTime-20241127010200-Watchlist"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-FlightTime-20241127010200"></span>Are they articles you have edited? — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-FlightTime-20241127010200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-FlightTime-20241127010200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-FlightTime-20241127010200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022900-Xaosflux-20241127022100"></span>If so, check your settings in <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist</a> to see if "add pages I ...." are set where you don't want it to be. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241127022900-Xaosflux-20241127022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022900-Xaosflux-20241127022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241127022900-Xaosflux-20241127022100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-20241127025500-FlightTime-20241127010200"></span>Could it be that you edited a template they use? <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Johnbod-20241127025500-FlightTime-20241127010200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-20241127025500-FlightTime-20241127010200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-20241127025500-FlightTime-20241127010200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons" data-mw-thread-id="h-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons-20241127020900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons-20241127020900"></span>Non-free image uploaded to Wikipedia claims to be hosted on commons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons-20241127020900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Non-free image uploaded to Wikipedia claims to be hosted on commons"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons"></span>This is kind of a strange issue. I uploaded <a href="/wiki/File:Katana_Engine_Material_Editor.png" title="File:Katana Engine Material Editor.png">File:Katana Engine Material Editor.png</a> using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:File_upload_wizard" title="Wikipedia:File upload wizard">Wikipedia:File upload wizard</a>'s non-free image form and gave a rationale and now the rationale is gone. I used the software screenshot template. And when I click on "Create source" I get a dialog saying </p><p>"This media file is on <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="commons:">Wikimedia Commons</a>—not on the English Wikipedia. Descriptions should be placed there. This page should rarely be used except to indicate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_pictures" title="Wikipedia:Featured pictures">featured pictures</a>. Please see the <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Katana_Engine_Material_Editor.png" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Katana Engine Material Editor.png">description page on Commons</a> for file information, <a href="/wiki/File:Katana_Engine_Material_Editor.png#filelinks" title="File:Katana Engine Material Editor.png">a list of pages that use this file</a>, or the <a class="external text" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Katana_Engine_Material_Editor.png">direct link to this file</a>." </p><p>Yet <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Katana_Engine_Material_Editor.png" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Katana Engine Material Editor.png">commons:File:Katana Engine Material Editor.png</a> does not show anything at all and says "No file by this name exists." I gave the basic points of rationale in <a href="/wiki/File_talk:Katana_Engine_Material_Editor.png" title="File talk:Katana Engine Material Editor.png">File talk:Katana Engine Material Editor.png</a>. I'm wondering what happened here and how to fix it. <a href="/wiki/User:J2UDY7r00CRjH" title="User:J2UDY7r00CRjH">J2UDY7r00CRjH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J2UDY7r00CRjH" title="User talk:J2UDY7r00CRjH">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900-Non-free_image_uploaded_to_Wikipedia_claims_to_be_hosted_on_commons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:J2UDY7r00CRjH" title="User:J2UDY7r00CRjH">J2UDY7r00CRjH</a> that edit notice is in error, we will need to look in to that. In the meantime, just ignore it and update your file description directly. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241127022100-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127020900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100"></span>It looks like that edit message comes if the local description page doesn't exist, even if the file is local. I created a blank page for that file for now, please be sure to update it with licensing information. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-Xaosflux-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100"></span>Thanks for letting me know. Worth noting there may be two errors: one that causes the rationale to not be added to the page and another that gives that notice pointing to a commons page that does not exist. Although more likely is that there is a single root cause. <a href="/wiki/User:J2UDY7r00CRjH" title="User:J2UDY7r00CRjH">J2UDY7r00CRjH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J2UDY7r00CRjH" title="User talk:J2UDY7r00CRjH">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J2UDY7r00CRjH-20241127022800-Xaosflux-20241127022100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&oldid=1259799087">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&oldid=1259799087</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_village_pump" title="Category:Wikipedia village pump">Wikipedia village pump</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_move-protected_project_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia move-protected project pages">Wikipedia move-protected project pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_automatically_checked_for_incorrect_links" title="Category:Pages automatically checked for incorrect links">Pages automatically checked for incorrect links</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_that_should_not_be_manually_archived" title="Category:Pages that should not be manually archived">Pages that should not be manually archived</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 27 November 2024, at 02:55<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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