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web hosting is a form of file-sharing;Retroshare is defunct"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_defunct"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Collapsed?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Collapsed?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Collapsed?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Collapsed?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1 vector-toc-list-item-expanded"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Should this sidebar focus on pirated file sharing only?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div class="mw-content-container"> <main id="content" class="mw-body"> <header class="mw-body-header vector-page-titlebar"> <nav aria-label="Contents" class="vector-toc-landmark"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-titlebar-toc vector-button-flush-left" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-titlebar-toc" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Toggle the table of contents" > <label id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-label" for="vector-page-titlebar-toc-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only " aria-hidden="true" ><span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-listBullet mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-listBullet"></span> <span class="vector-dropdown-label-text">Toggle the table of contents</span> </label> <div class="vector-dropdown-content"> <div id="vector-page-titlebar-toc-unpinned-container" class="vector-unpinned-container"> </div> </div> </div> </nav> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Template talk</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">File sharing sidebar</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang mw-portlet-lang-icon-only" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector-empty" aria-label="This article exist only in this language. 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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Internet_culture" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Internet culture">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Internet culture</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Internet culture</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Internet culture articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" style="padding:0"><table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="background:transparent;width:100%"><tbody><tr><th style="text-align:left;padding:0.2em 2px 0.2em 0">WikiProject Internet culture To-do:</th></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left;padding:5px;background-color:white;border:1px solid #c0c090;margin-top:5px"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1129693374">.mw-parser-output .hlist dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul{margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt,.mw-parser-output .hlist li{margin:0;display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ul{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist .mw-empty-li{display:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dt::after{content:": "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li::after{content:" · ";font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li:last-child::after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:first-child::before{content:" (";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:last-child::after{content:")";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol{counter-reset:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li{counter-increment:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li::before{content:" "counter(listitem)"\a0 "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li ol>li:first-child::before{content:" ("counter(listitem)"\a0 "}</style><div class="hlist plainlinks" style="text-align:center;font-size:90%;"><ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Internet_culture%2Fto_do&action=edit">edit</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Internet_culture%2Fto_do&action=history">history</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Internet_culture%2Fto_do&action=watch">watch</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Internet_culture%2Fto_do&action=purge">purge</a></li></ul> </div> <table style="background:none;color:inherit;width:auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align:top;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/100px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a></span><br/><div style="width: 55px; 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There are other templates (network specific templates) where it is useful and even required to name the respective clients. Here is not the right place for doing it. Let's keep this clean, OK? </p><p>Greetings, <a href="/wiki/User:Old_Death" title="User:Old Death">Old Death</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Old_Death" title="User talk:Old Death">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Old_Death-2009-04-23T15:40:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-23T15:40:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Old_Death-2009-04-23T15:40:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services"></span>Sure, let's try this out. Keep in mind though that most users will know the fasttrack network as "kazaa" and gnutella as "limewire". <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=fasttrack,+kazaa,+gnutella,+limewire">http://www.google.com/trends?q=fasttrack,+kazaa,+gnutella,+limewire</a> . In many cases the client will be more important than the network (morpheus vs kazaa etc.) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:M (page does not exist)">–M</a><sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:M (page does not exist)">T</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z-Networks_and_Services"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-24T14:32:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"></span>True, however, I don't think the clients sould be the thing to focus on here, since else we would need to add not only two or three as example, but basically all clients of importance, which would defeat the purpose of this template which is, in my eyes, to give a quick link from the major articles about filesharing to each other. Also remember that this is mostly because of the advertisement and presentation of the leading clients: They basically all hide more or less the information about the network they are connecting to to the normal user (it is easy to find out, but it won't be shown by default or underlined), in order to keep users who just want to try out something different 'becasue it is there' at a minimal number.</dd> <dd>Greetings, <a href="/wiki/User:Old_Death" title="User:Old Death">Old Death</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Old_Death" title="User talk:Old Death">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Old_Death-2009-04-24T14:32:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-24T14:32:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Old_Death-2009-04-24T14:32:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"></span>\ There are only a handful of currently-active and notable clients. Which ones were we missing? We certainly don't have a problem with clients flooding the list at the moment. The other thing is that clients aren't just facades for their networks. On this view The Pirate Bay is just a site that implements a tracker protocol. Clients and services have their own details and history, in many cases much more notable than the networks themselves. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:M (page does not exist)">–M</a><sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:M (page does not exist)">T</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-26T14:20:00.000Z-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Notability depends on your reference choice: For example, <a href="/wiki/LimeWire" title="LimeWire">LimeWire</a> may be notable for its user base, however <a href="/wiki/Gtk-gnutella" title="Gtk-gnutella">gtk-gnutella</a> is notable for the fact that it is the most used <a href="/wiki/Unix" title="Unix">Unix</a> client, while <a href="/wiki/Phex" title="Phex">Phex</a> (as well as others) are notable for its support for features LimeWire blocks now for a long time. (etc. etc.) And this is only for Gnutella. You could add a similar list for <a href="/wiki/EDonkey" class="mw-disambig" title="EDonkey">eDonkey</a> or <a href="/wiki/Gnutella2" title="Gnutella2">Gnutella2</a>. If you really would like to include them, maybe do it on a series on famous filesharing clients. This would be a more useful and clean way of doing it, I think...</dd> <dd>Also, A client is in my eyes not a service. TPB, however does clearly count as service on BitTorrent. Also, since its tracker controls ~75% of all BitTorrent activity, the site may be notable enough to be listed here...</dd> <dd>Greetings, <a href="/wiki/User:Old_Death" title="User:Old Death">Old Death</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Old_Death" title="User talk:Old Death">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Old_Death-2009-04-26T14:20:00.000Z-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-26T14:20:00.000Z-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Old_Death-2009-04-26T14:20:00.000Z-M-2009-04-25T01:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"></span><undent> Our reference point is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a>, and the diversity that you're getting at is not a factor. Phex and gtk would not make it on this list<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=limewire,+gtk-gnutella,+phex,+gnutella,+united+states">[1]</a>, and neither would many of the other clients. A client is an interface to a network, and limewire controls a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://torrentfreak.com/limewire-most-installed-p2p-application-bittorrent-clients-runner-up/">higher percentage</a> of Gnutella than I think you realize. Clients also represent groups and companies (Napster, Sharmin) that have been or continue to be important in file sharing. Do you disagree that the WP:N criteria applies to this template? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:M (page does not exist)">–M</a><sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:M (page does not exist)">T</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z-M-2009-04-24T01:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z"></span>I know all of this, I am very much inside this subject (as you may see from my contribution history in here) ;) I only wanted to point out why I think clients should not be in here: they have their history, and they are very important for filesharing, network development etc., but there are more important clients than you could include here while keeping it clean. Also, if we come to add 'important' clients, because of their importance for the development of the networks, we will have to add important past clients also, since only the current userbase doesn't determe notability (and I think you agree here) (see kaaza for example: hardly used as of today, but definetly notable; its the same for some other clients (eDonkey2000 + its company, ...)).</dd> <dd>So if you really insist on adding clients to the services list, do so if you think it is the right thing. I don't want to be the blocking guy here. ^^ (Maybe add a section for notable clients and add a comment limiting it to the most important client for each network? Like this we could cover clients while not bloating the template.)</dd> <dd>BTW, I know very well what is LimeWires network dominance all about... They are blocking for years now network improvements (such as searches by hash, for example) due to their powerful position (and they impose now their mojito Kademlia DHT to everyone who whants to be somehow competitive)...</dd> <dd>Greetings, <a href="/wiki/User:Old_Death" title="User:Old Death">Old Death</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Old_Death" title="User talk:Old Death">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z-M-2009-04-26T16:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bpringlemeir-2010-06-17T14:44:00.000Z-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z"></span>I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:Old_Death" title="User:Old Death">Old Death</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a> is to establish whether an article should exist. Specific clients should (at least usually) have an article. However, the issue is will this template be useful with every client under the sun included. Even if you start with a single very popular client people will tend to add more and more. It makes the template unusable and obscures the important information. It is often more important to know what <b>not</b> to say. The template without clients gives a good overview of file sharing in general. The various articles on a particular network can take the reader to specific clients. This is hierarchical navigation and is a established organizational technique for information. <a href="/wiki/User:Bpringlemeir" title="User:Bpringlemeir">Bpringlemeir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bpringlemeir" title="User talk:Bpringlemeir">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Bpringlemeir-2010-06-17T14:44:00.000Z-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bpringlemeir-2010-06-17T14:44:00.000Z-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bpringlemeir-2010-06-17T14:44:00.000Z-Old_Death-2009-04-28T16:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="purpose_of_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-purpose_of_template-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-purpose_of_template-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z"></span>purpose of template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-purpose_of_template-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: purpose of template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z-purpose_of_template"></span>What is the purpose of this template anyhow, if technologies that enable file sharing are being removed. It appears merely a duplication of another more appealing template. <a href="/wiki/User:Kbrose" title="User:Kbrose">Kbrose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kbrose" title="User talk:Kbrose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z-purpose_of_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z-purpose_of_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z-purpose_of_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-M-2009-05-23T05:29:00.000Z-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z"></span>Which template is that? I think we should discuss and make clear what exactly file sharing is - what the main article is about, but we should do that at that talk page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:M&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:M (page does not exist)"><span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;color:#222;overflow:hidden;margin:-3px;"><b style="position:absolute;bottom:1px;width:100%;height:8px;background:#eee"> </b><b style="position:relative;border:1px solid #bbb"> M </b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-M-2009-05-23T05:29:00.000Z-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-M-2009-05-23T05:29:00.000Z-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-M-2009-05-23T05:29:00.000Z-Kbrose-2009-05-22T20:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_defunct"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"><span id=".22Country_articles_are_bad.3B_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing.3BRetroshare_is_defunct.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"></span>"Country articles are bad; web hosting is a form of file-sharing;Retroshare is defunct"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: "Country articles are bad; web hosting is a form of file-sharing;Retroshare is defunct""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d"></span>So, <a href="/wiki/User:Distrait_cognizance" title="User:Distrait cognizance">Distrait cognizance</a> just <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AFile_sharing_sidebar&type=revision&diff=715021134&oldid=714765723">removed</a> all the <i>File sharing in {country}</i> articles and the <a href="/wiki/RetroShare" class="mw-redirect" title="RetroShare">RetroShare</a> entry and added <a href="/wiki/Peer-to-peer_web_hosting" title="Peer-to-peer web hosting">Peer-to-peer web hosting</a> with the above explanation. </p> <ul><li>I'd like to know why "country articles are bad". Distrait cognizance are you referring to the state of these articles, their relevance here or something else? Why would any <i>File sharing in {country}</i> article not be appropriate for a <i>File sharing</i> template?</li></ul> <ul><li>Afaik hosting is not sharing. Sharing would be the active process of <i>sharing</i> what has been hosted - but not the <i>hosting</i> itself. Putting up a website is not file sharing. Uploading a file to a filehoster without at least sharing the link is not sharing. You can see this by various other showcases. I'd like you to prove otherwise with a reliable source (multiple would be better) if you intend to add it to the template.</li></ul> <ul><li>Also since when is <a href="/wiki/RetroShare" class="mw-redirect" title="RetroShare">RetroShare</a> defunct? Last time I tried it, it worked. Also it says "Active" under "Development status" in its article.</li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Fixuture" title="User:Fixuture"><b>F</b>ix<b>uture</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fixuture" title="User talk:Fixuture">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z-"Country_articles_are_bad;_web_hosting_is_a_form_of_file-sharing;Retroshare_is_d"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Distrait_cognizance-2016-05-06T09:31:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"></span>There could potentially be over 250 country articles, which seems very superfluous to include in this sidebar. Either create a new one or just let them be as the articles are currently of very low quality anyway.</li> <li>The purpose of those protocols is to host through sharing — I don't understand what you mean the issue is?</li> <li>That one was actually removed in error, I will restore it.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Distrait_cognizance" title="User:Distrait cognizance">Distrait cognizance</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Distrait_cognizance" title="User talk:Distrait cognizance">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Distrait_cognizance-2016-05-06T09:31:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Distrait_cognizance-2016-05-06T09:31:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Distrait_cognizance-2016-05-06T09:31:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fixuture-2016-05-24T18:56:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"></span>Well, yes there <i>could</i> be hundreds of country articles but there <i>aren't</i>. Also if it's relevant enough to a template than even high numbers of articles have to be included in them - or the template itself has to be modified (renamed or alike). For example see <a href="/wiki/Template:Science_fiction" title="Template:Science fiction">Template:Science fiction</a> which also has a "By region" row. Nothing is more relevant to this template than "File sharing in {country}" articles, so I just readded them. If you want to remove them please establish consensus first.</li> <li>It's not explicit sharing or sharing as it's commonly referred to. The clients typically don't even see the websites they host. I think putting this up here is a failure of understanding what "sharing" is in this context, misleads users and also allows for more inappropriate entries. It's a (technical) <i>distribution</i> of content in a p2p way - not (cultural) sharing.<br/>It <i>can</i> be the basis for actual sharing but not necessarily. It's just storing files on computers whose users have no interest in (with exceptions; the users are interested in the advantages of the technological architecture - not the specific files getting stored on their pcs).<br/>One might ask some experts about this, invite some WikiProjects for discussion, create an RfC or hold a vote.</li> <li>Thank you.</li></ul></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Fixuture" title="User:Fixuture"><b>F</b>ix<b>uture</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fixuture" title="User talk:Fixuture">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Fixuture-2016-05-24T18:56:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fixuture-2016-05-24T18:56:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fixuture-2016-05-24T18:56:00.000Z-Fixuture-2016-05-04T21:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Collapsed?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Collapsed?-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z"><span id="Collapsed.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Collapsed?-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z"></span>Collapsed?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Collapsed?-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Collapsed?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-143.176.30.65-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z-Collapsed?"></span>Any way to make its start state collapsed, because this thing is quite big. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/143.176.30.65" title="Special:Contributions/143.176.30.65">143.176.30.65</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:143.176.30.65" title="User talk:143.176.30.65">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-143.176.30.65-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z-Collapsed?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-143.176.30.65-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z-Collapsed?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-143.176.30.65-2021-01-19T23:18:00.000Z-Collapsed?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?-20240216121000"><span id="Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?-20240216121000"></span>Should this sidebar focus on pirated file sharing only?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?-20240216121000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Should this sidebar focus on pirated file sharing only?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240216121000-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?"></span>If so, I think entries such as YouTube, Internet Archive, and Daily Motion should be removed. I think most current entries do focus on piracy, so it might make sense to remove the non-pirated entries. I also note the non-pirated entries tend not to have the sidebar in the article, which is a violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIDIRECTIONAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIDIRECTIONAL">WP:BIDIRECTIONAL</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar#c-Novem_Linguae-20240216121000-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240216121000-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240216121000-Should_this_sidebar_focus_on_pirated_file_sharing_only?"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar&oldid=1230838733">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:File_sharing_sidebar&oldid=1230838733</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Internet_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Internet articles">Template-Class Internet articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Internet_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Internet articles">NA-importance Internet articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Internet_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Internet articles">WikiProject Internet articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Internet_culture_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Internet culture articles">Template-Class Internet culture articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Internet_culture_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Internet culture articles">NA-importance Internet culture articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Internet_culture_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Internet culture articles">WikiProject Internet culture articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_software_articles" title="Category:Template-Class software articles">Template-Class software articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_software_articles" title="Category:NA-importance software articles">NA-importance software articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Computing_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Computing articles">Template-Class Computing articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Computing_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Computing articles">NA-importance Computing articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_Computing_articles" title="Category:All Computing articles">All Computing articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_Software_articles" title="Category:All Software articles">All Software articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 25 June 2024, at 00:32<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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