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style="text-align:center;margin:0 auto 0.5em;max-width:50em;width:100%;width:-moz-available;width:-webkit-fill-available;width:stretch"><tbody><tr><td><a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_1" title="Help talk:Table/Archive 1">Archive 1</a></td><td>←</td><td><a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_3" title="Help talk:Table/Archive 3">Archive 3</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_4" title="Help talk:Table/Archive 4">Archive 4</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 5</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_6" title="Help talk:Table/Archive 6">Archive 6</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_7" title="Help talk:Table/Archive 7">Archive 7</a></td><td>→</td><td><a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_9" title="Help talk:Table/Archive 9">Archive 9</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z"><span id="Thead.2C_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z"></span>Thead, tbody and tfoot now supported?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-V111P-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?"></span>From the article: "Thead, tbody and tfoot are supported from Mediawiki version 1.18 on." Is this true? And how do we use them? --<a href="/wiki/User:V111P" title="User:V111P">V111P</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:V111P" title="User talk:V111P">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-V111P-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-V111P-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-V111P-2012-02-14T19:54:00.000Z-Thead,_tbody_and_tfoot_now_supported?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sort_arrows" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sort_arrows-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sort_arrows-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z"></span>Sort arrows<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sort_arrows-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z-Sort_arrows"></span>I apologize because this may be a stupid question. I can't seem to find the answer on the help page or the talk page archives. Why won't the sorting arrows appear at the top of the table in <a href="/wiki/List_of_National_Historic_Sites_of_Canada_in_New_Brunswick" title="List of National Historic Sites of Canada in New Brunswick">List of National Historic Sites of Canada in New Brunswick</a> and related lists? Cheers, --<a href="/wiki/User:Skeezix1000" title="User:Skeezix1000">Skeezix1000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skeezix1000" title="User talk:Skeezix1000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z-Sort_arrows" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z-Sort_arrows"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z-Sort_arrows"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z"></span>I think you've run into the bug described at <a href="/wiki/Help:Sorting#Header_styling,_links,_and_markup" class="mw-disambig" title="Help:Sorting">Help:Sorting#Header styling, links, and markup</a>. "Styling workaround 1" seems to work, using just background-color instead of background. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 3 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z-Skeezix1000-2012-03-03T19:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-04T18:18:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z"></span>That's it exactly. Thanks so much. --<a href="/wiki/User:Skeezix1000" title="User:Skeezix1000">Skeezix1000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skeezix1000" title="User talk:Skeezix1000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-04T18:18:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-04T18:18:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skeezix1000-2012-03-04T18:18:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-03-03T22:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Questions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Questions-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Questions-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z"></span>Questions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Questions-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z-Questions"></span>How do I change the font size or the font color in a table? Also, how do I add or change the borders, whether inside or outside the table? <a href="/wiki/User:Morriswa" title="User:Morriswa">Allen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morriswa" title="User talk:Morriswa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z-Questions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z-Questions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z-Questions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-03-11T00:46:00.000Z-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z"></span>The standard Wikipedia borders are added by putting <code>class="wikitable"</code> after the table start marker as advised at <a href="/wiki/Help:Table#Classes" title="Help:Table">Help:Table#Classes</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-03-11T00:46:00.000Z-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-03-11T00:46:00.000Z-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-03-11T00:46:00.000Z-Morriswa-2012-03-10T22:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_toolbar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_toolbar-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_toolbar-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z"></span>Edit toolbar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_toolbar-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z-Edit_toolbar"></span>The "customize edit toolbar" is no longer available on the page linked to. <a href="/wiki/User:AmericanLeMans" title="User:AmericanLeMans">AmericanLeMans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmericanLeMans" title="User talk:AmericanLeMans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z-Edit_toolbar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z-Edit_toolbar"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z-Edit_toolbar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-04-13T21:20:00.000Z-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z"></span>What is "the page linked to"? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-04-13T21:20:00.000Z-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-04-13T21:20:00.000Z-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-04-13T21:20:00.000Z-AmericanLeMans-2012-04-13T20:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="|-class=unsortable" data-mw-thread-id="h-|-class=unsortable-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z"><span id=".7C-class.3Dunsortable"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-|-class=unsortable-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z"></span>|-class=unsortable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-|-class=unsortable-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z-|-class=unsortable"></span>Adding <code>|-class=unsortable</code> to a row used to fix it within a sortable table. For example: </p> <table class="wikitable sortable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Header 1 </th> <th>Header 2 </th></tr> <tr> <td>Entry 1 </td> <td>Entry B </td></tr> <tr class="unsortable"> <td>Fixed 1 </td> <td>Fixed 2 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Entry 2 </td> <td>Entry A </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>A year or so ago, the code used for this table would have fixed the fourth row down, so that it would have remained in that position if the other rows were sorted. This is obviously no longer the case. Any idea what's happened? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:A_Thousand_Doors" class="mw-redirect" title="User:A Thousand Doors">A Thousand Doors</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Thousand_Doors" title="User talk:A Thousand Doors">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/A_Thousand_Doors" title="Special:Contributions/A Thousand Doors">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z-|-class=unsortable" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z-|-class=unsortable"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z-|-class=unsortable"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z"></span>The whole method for making tables sortable was altered with <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.18" class="extiw" title="mw:MediaWiki 1.18">MediaWiki 1.18</a> in October 2011. Some of the undocumented kludges that had previously worked stopped working at that time. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-17T16:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z"></span>Ah, okay, thank you very much for the response. Do you happen to know if this will be readded into a later version of MediaWiki, or do you know of any other way to fix a row within a sortable table? <a href="/wiki/User:A_Thousand_Doors" class="mw-redirect" title="User:A Thousand Doors">A Thousand Doors</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Thousand_Doors" title="User talk:A Thousand Doors">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/A_Thousand_Doors" title="Special:Contributions/A Thousand Doors">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-17T20:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z"></span>No, sorry, I don't make amendments to the MediaWiki software - I just observe the effects of changes. You'd probably need to raise a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BZ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BZ">bugzilla ticket</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-18T18:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for bringing Bugzilla to my attention. It would seem that this a problem that has <a class="external text" href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31060">been raised there before</a>, but, as of yet, there is no solution. I'll keep my eye on it. Thanks again. <a href="/wiki/User:A_Thousand_Doors" class="mw-redirect" title="User:A Thousand Doors">A Thousand Doors</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_Thousand_Doors" title="User talk:A Thousand Doors">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/A_Thousand_Doors" title="Special:Contributions/A Thousand Doors">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 30 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-04-18T20:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-05-01T15:09:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z"></span>Yes, <a href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31060" class="extiw" title="bugzilla:31060">bugzilla:31060</a> is the right one. I note in particular that comment 7 from <a href="/wiki/User:Krinkle" title="User:Krinkle">Krinkle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Krinkle" title="User talk:Krinkle">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Krinkle" title="Special:Contributions/Krinkle">contribs</a>) contains text "It was an undocumented feature that might very well be a bug in the original code" which pretty much confirms my suspicion of 17 April above "Some of the undocumented kludges that had previously worked stopped working at that time". --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-05-01T15:09:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-05-01T15:09:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-05-01T15:09:00.000Z-A_Thousand_Doors-2012-04-30T22:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line" data-mw-thread-id="h-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z"></span>Section 3.16 : Tiny Tables within a text line<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line"></span>In <i>Section 3.16 : Tiny Tables within a text line</i> </p><p>I believe the wiki-code example, while working, is incorrect. It is missing several "close" commands -- </td> and </tr>. </p><p>I realize that this is "wiki-code" and that it works as presented, but it LOOKS like legitimate HTML, and therefore, to my way of thinking, should BE legitimate HTML. But since I don't edit at Wikipedia very often, I'll let others make that call. </p><p><b>Original version</b> </p> <dl><dd>Wikicode (<i>table-within-table</i>): <dl><dd>* <table style="background-color: #fafeff"><tr><td>This is a test table here<td><table height=11px><tr><td style="border: 1px solid black; font-size:60%">HELLO WORLD</table></td><td>followed by this text afterward.</table> This line is more text after the outer table.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Result: <dl><dd><ul><li><table style="background: #fafeff;"><tbody><tr><td>This is a test table here</td><td><table style="height:11px;"><tbody><tr><td style="border: 1px solid black; font-size:60%">HELLO WORLD</td></tr></tbody></table></td><td>followed by this text afterward.</td></tr></tbody></table> This line is more text after the outer table.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b>Corrected version</b> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>*<table style="background-color: #fafeff"><tr><td>This is a test table here</td><td><table height=11px><tr><td style="border: 1px solid black; font-size:60%">HELLO WORLD</td></tr></table><td>followed by this text afterward.</td></tr></table>This line is more text after the outer table.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Result: <dl><dd><ul><li><table style="background-color: #fafeff"><tbody><tr><td>This is a test table here</td><td><table><tbody><tr><td style="border: 1px solid black; font-size:60%">HELLO WORLD</td></tr></tbody></table></td><td>followed by this text afterward.</td></tr></tbody></table>This line is more text after the outer table.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>--William H. Magill 01:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Whmagill" title="User:Whmagill">Whmagill</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Whmagill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Whmagill (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whmagill" title="Special:Contributions/Whmagill">contribs</a>) </span></small> </p> <dl><dd>You are correct regarding the faulty HTML usage. However, I think the whole section should be removed because it describes a <a href="/wiki/Kludge" title="Kludge">kludge</a>. Boxed text is better implemented as <code><span style="border-style:solid; border-width:1px">boxed text</span></code> which gives <span style="border-style:solid; border-width:1px">boxed text</span>, although a proper use for such ornamentation in Wikipedia escapes me. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z-Section_3.16_:_Tiny_Tables_within_a_text_line"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z"></span>And <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Divbox" title="Template:Divbox">divbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I think this should be removed. ---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-18T14:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table?&diff=493308723&oldid=491713733"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-19T07:46:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Removed.</a></span> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-19T07:46:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-19T07:46:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-05-19T07:46:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-05-18T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z"><span id="Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top.2C_is_this_possible.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z"></span>Scrollable tables with titles allways on top, is this possible?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-95.208.204.253-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?"></span>Sometimes, tables are bigger then my screen. Here's an example: <a href="/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Intel_HD_Graphics" class="mw-redirect" title="Comparison of Intel graphics processing units">Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Intel_HD_Graphics</a>. Is it possible to make them scrollable, so that the title is always on top and visible, even when scrolling the page down? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/95.208.204.253" title="Special:Contributions/95.208.204.253">95.208.204.253</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:95.208.204.253&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:95.208.204.253 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-95.208.204.253-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-95.208.204.253-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-95.208.204.253-2012-06-05T05:05:00.000Z-Scrollable_tables_with_titles_allways_on_top,_is_this_possible?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Right_justification_of_a_data_column" data-mw-thread-id="h-Right_justification_of_a_data_column-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Right_justification_of_a_data_column-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z"></span>Right justification of a data column<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Right_justification_of_a_data_column-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z-Right_justification_of_a_data_column"></span>Hi. If I am following the article correctly, there is no way to define justification in the header row, as one would typically do with a spreadsheet?<br/> Each and every data row would need an explict align=right?<br/> So seeing "align=right" 100 times in a table is correct?<br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Varlaam" title="User:Varlaam">Varlaam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Varlaam" title="User talk:Varlaam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z-Right_justification_of_a_data_column" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z-Right_justification_of_a_data_column"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z-Right_justification_of_a_data_column"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z"></span>That's my understanding, too. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z-Varlaam-2012-06-20T05:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T08:00:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z"></span>Wow. Well there's a project for someone with time on his hands.</dd> <dd>We do have our workaround! Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Varlaam" title="User:Varlaam">Varlaam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Varlaam" title="User talk:Varlaam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T08:00:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T08:00:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Varlaam-2012-06-20T08:00:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-06-20T05:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="bug" data-mw-thread-id="h-bug-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-bug-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z"></span>bug<span data-mw-comment-end="h-bug-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z-bug"></span>I assume someone's on this, but just in case it's gone unnoticed, there appears to be a bug introduced in our table coding in the last few hours. See e.g. <a href="/wiki/French_braille" class="mw-redirect" title="French braille">French braille</a>, where there are now blue dashed-line boxes around the entries in the cells. They're still there w/o the wikitable format, on FF and IE. — <a href="/wiki/User:Kwamikagami" title="User:Kwamikagami">kwami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami" title="User talk:Kwamikagami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z-bug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z-bug"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z-bug"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-07-30T22:02:00.000Z-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z"></span>Not a table change at all, but a change to one of the subtemplates; specifically <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Braille_cell&diff=prev&oldid=504984991">this edit</a></span>. What that did was to introduce a newline at the end of the template, so when used on a page in this manner: <dl><dd><code>{{Braille cell|b}} <br> [[b]], 2</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>it expands to <dl><dd><code>[[Image:Braille B2.svg|40px ]]</code></dd> <dd><code> <br> [[b]], 2</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>note that there is a newline before the space preceding the <code class="nowrap" style=""><br></code>: a space at the start of a line always causes the dashed border and monospace font</dd></dl> <pre>as I have done here. </pre> <dl><dd>This should now be fixed after I made <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Braille_cell&diff=prev&oldid=504999579">this edit</a></span>. The template no longer adds a newline, so <dl><dd><code>{{Braille cell|b}} <br> [[b]], 2</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>now expands to <dl><dd><code>[[Image:Braille B2.svg|40px ]] <br> [[b]], 2</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>as it did previously. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-07-30T22:02:00.000Z-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-07-30T22:02:00.000Z-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-07-30T22:02:00.000Z-Kwamikagami-2012-07-30T21:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-bug"></span>Thanks for that. It works fine now. <a href="/wiki/User:Kwamikagami" title="User:Kwamikagami">kwami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami" title="User talk:Kwamikagami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-bug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-bug"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-bug"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents" data-mw-thread-id="h-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span>Table not expanding to fit contents<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span>There's another problem: tables do not expand to fit their contents, as at the bottom of <a href="/wiki/Cantonese_Braille" title="Cantonese Braille">Cantonese Braille</a>. I don't know if it's a bug with the braille template or the table syntax. — <a href="/wiki/User:Kwamikagami" title="User:Kwamikagami">kwami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami" title="User talk:Kwamikagami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwamikagami-2012-08-31T07:50:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span>Is this right?: </p> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>0 </th> <th rowspan="6"> </th> <th colspan="10">main sequence</th> <th rowspan="6"> </th> <th colspan="2">suppl. </th></tr> <tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_NULL.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠀ (braille pattern blank) U+2800"><img alt="⠀ (braille pattern blank)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Braille_NULL.svg/40px-Braille_NULL.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Braille_NULL.svg/60px-Braille_NULL.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Braille_NULL.svg/80px-Braille_NULL.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_A1.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠁ (braille pattern dots-1) U+2801"><img alt="⠁ (braille pattern dots-1)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Braille_A1.svg/40px-Braille_A1.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Braille_A1.svg/60px-Braille_A1.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Braille_A1.svg/80px-Braille_A1.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>t2 </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_B2.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠃ (braille pattern dots-12) U+2803"><img alt="⠃ (braille pattern dots-12)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Braille_B2.svg/40px-Braille_B2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Braille_B2.svg/60px-Braille_B2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Braille_B2.svg/80px-Braille_B2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>a </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_C3.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠉ (braille pattern dots-14) U+2809"><img alt="⠉ (braille pattern dots-14)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Braille_C3.svg/40px-Braille_C3.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Braille_C3.svg/60px-Braille_C3.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Braille_C3.svg/80px-Braille_C3.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>dz-aang </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_D4.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠙ (braille pattern dots-145) U+2819"><img alt="⠙ (braille pattern dots-145)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Braille_D4.svg/40px-Braille_D4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Braille_D4.svg/60px-Braille_D4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Braille_D4.svg/80px-Braille_D4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_E5.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠑ (braille pattern dots-15) U+2811"><img alt="⠑ (braille pattern dots-15)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Braille_E5.svg/40px-Braille_E5.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Braille_E5.svg/60px-Braille_E5.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Braille_E5.svg/80px-Braille_E5.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>e </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_F6.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠋ (braille pattern dots-124) U+280B"><img alt="⠋ (braille pattern dots-124)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Braille_F6.svg/40px-Braille_F6.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Braille_F6.svg/60px-Braille_F6.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Braille_F6.svg/80px-Braille_F6.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>f-ot </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_G7.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠛ (braille pattern dots-1245) U+281B"><img alt="⠛ (braille pattern dots-1245)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Braille_G7.svg/40px-Braille_G7.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Braille_G7.svg/60px-Braille_G7.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Braille_G7.svg/80px-Braille_G7.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>ng-ang </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_H8.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠓ (braille pattern dots-125) U+2813"><img alt="⠓ (braille pattern dots-125)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Braille_H8.svg/40px-Braille_H8.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Braille_H8.svg/60px-Braille_H8.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Braille_H8.svg/80px-Braille_H8.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>h-ei </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_I9.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠊ (braille pattern dots-24) U+280A"><img alt="⠊ (braille pattern dots-24)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Braille_I9.svg/40px-Braille_I9.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Braille_I9.svg/60px-Braille_I9.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Braille_I9.svg/80px-Braille_I9.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>i </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_J0.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠚ (braille pattern dots-245) U+281A"><img alt="⠚ (braille pattern dots-245)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Braille_J0.svg/40px-Braille_J0.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Braille_J0.svg/60px-Braille_J0.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Braille_J0.svg/80px-Braille_J0.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>j-oey </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Accent.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠈ (braille pattern dots-4) U+2808"><img alt="⠈ (braille pattern dots-4)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Braille_Accent.svg/40px-Braille_Accent.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Braille_Accent.svg/60px-Braille_Accent.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Braille_Accent.svg/80px-Braille_Accent.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>t3 </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Currency.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠘ (braille pattern dots-45) U+2818"><img alt="⠘ (braille pattern dots-45)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Braille_Currency.svg/40px-Braille_Currency.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Braille_Currency.svg/60px-Braille_Currency.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Braille_Currency.svg/80px-Braille_Currency.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>aan </td></tr> <tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Apostrophe.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠄ (braille pattern dots-3) U+2804"><img alt="⠄ (braille pattern dots-3)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Braille_Apostrophe.svg/40px-Braille_Apostrophe.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Braille_Apostrophe.svg/60px-Braille_Apostrophe.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Braille_Apostrophe.svg/80px-Braille_Apostrophe.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>t6 </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_K.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠅ (braille pattern dots-13) U+2805"><img alt="⠅ (braille pattern dots-13)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Braille_K.svg/40px-Braille_K.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Braille_K.svg/60px-Braille_K.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Braille_K.svg/80px-Braille_K.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>g-aak </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_L.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠇ (braille pattern dots-123) U+2807"><img alt="⠇ (braille pattern dots-123)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Braille_L.svg/40px-Braille_L.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Braille_L.svg/60px-Braille_L.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Braille_L.svg/80px-Braille_L.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>l- </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_M.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠍ (braille pattern dots-134) U+280D"><img alt="⠍ (braille pattern dots-134)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Braille_M.svg/40px-Braille_M.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Braille_M.svg/60px-Braille_M.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Braille_M.svg/80px-Braille_M.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>m-m </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_N.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠝ (braille pattern dots-1345) U+281D"><img alt="⠝ (braille pattern dots-1345)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Braille_N.svg/40px-Braille_N.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Braille_N.svg/60px-Braille_N.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Braille_N.svg/80px-Braille_N.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>n-on </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_O.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠕ (braille pattern dots-135) U+2815"><img alt="⠕ (braille pattern dots-135)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Braille_O.svg/40px-Braille_O.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Braille_O.svg/60px-Braille_O.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Braille_O.svg/80px-Braille_O.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>o </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_P.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠏ (braille pattern dots-1234) U+280F"><img alt="⠏ (braille pattern dots-1234)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Braille_P.svg/40px-Braille_P.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Braille_P.svg/60px-Braille_P.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Braille_P.svg/80px-Braille_P.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>b-aap </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Q.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠟ (braille pattern dots-12345) U+281F"><img alt="⠟ (braille pattern dots-12345)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Braille_Q.svg/40px-Braille_Q.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Braille_Q.svg/60px-Braille_Q.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Braille_Q.svg/80px-Braille_Q.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>gw-uk </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_R.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠗ (braille pattern dots-1235) U+2817"><img alt="⠗ (braille pattern dots-1235)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Braille_R.svg/40px-Braille_R.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Braille_R.svg/60px-Braille_R.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Braille_R.svg/80px-Braille_R.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>k-ik </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_S.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠎ (braille pattern dots-234) U+280E"><img alt="⠎ (braille pattern dots-234)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Braille_S.svg/40px-Braille_S.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Braille_S.svg/60px-Braille_S.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Braille_S.svg/80px-Braille_S.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>s-oen </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_T.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠞ (braille pattern dots-2345) U+281E"><img alt="⠞ (braille pattern dots-2345)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Braille_T.svg/40px-Braille_T.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Braille_T.svg/60px-Braille_T.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Braille_T.svg/80px-Braille_T.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>d-aat </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_ST.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠌ (braille pattern dots-34) U+280C"><img alt="⠌ (braille pattern dots-34)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Braille_ST.svg/40px-Braille_ST.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Braille_ST.svg/60px-Braille_ST.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Braille_ST.svg/80px-Braille_ST.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/>aau </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%84.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠜ (braille pattern dots-345) U+281C"><img alt="⠜ (braille pattern dots-345)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Braille_%C3%84.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%84.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" 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data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_AND.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠯ (braille pattern dots-12346) U+282F"><img alt="⠯ (braille pattern dots-12346)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Braille_AND.svg/40px-Braille_AND.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Braille_AND.svg/60px-Braille_AND.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Braille_AND.svg/80px-Braille_AND.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%89.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠿ (braille pattern dots-123456) U+283F"><img alt="⠿ (braille pattern dots-123456)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Braille_%C3%89.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%89.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Braille_%C3%89.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%89.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Braille_%C3%89.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%89.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%80.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠷ (braille pattern dots-12356) U+2837"><img alt="⠷ (braille pattern dots-12356)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Braille_%C3%80.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%80.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Braille_%C3%80.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%80.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Braille_%C3%80.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%80.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%88.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠮ (braille pattern dots-2346) U+282E"><img alt="⠮ (braille pattern dots-2346)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Braille_%C3%88.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%88.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Braille_%C3%88.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%88.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Braille_%C3%88.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%88.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%99.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠾ (braille pattern dots-23456) U+283E"><img alt="⠾ (braille pattern dots-23456)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Braille_%C3%99.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%99.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Braille_%C3%99.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%99.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Braille_%C3%99.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%99.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%92.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠬ (braille pattern dots-346) U+282C"><img alt="⠬ (braille pattern dots-346)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Braille_%C3%92.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%92.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Braille_%C3%92.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%92.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Braille_%C3%92.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%92.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_NumberSign.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠼ (braille pattern dots-3456) U+283C"><img alt="⠼ (braille pattern dots-3456)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Braille_NumberSign.svg/40px-Braille_NumberSign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Braille_NumberSign.svg/60px-Braille_NumberSign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Braille_NumberSign.svg/80px-Braille_NumberSign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td></tr> <tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_CapitalSign.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠠ (braille pattern dots-6) U+2820"><img alt="⠠ (braille pattern dots-6)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Braille_CapitalSign.svg/40px-Braille_CapitalSign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Braille_CapitalSign.svg/60px-Braille_CapitalSign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Braille_CapitalSign.svg/80px-Braille_CapitalSign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%85.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠡ (braille pattern dots-16) U+2821"><img alt="⠡ (braille pattern dots-16)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Braille_%C3%85.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%85.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Braille_%C3%85.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%85.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Braille_%C3%85.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%85.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%8A.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠣ (braille pattern dots-126) U+2823"><img alt="⠣ (braille pattern dots-126)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Braille_%C3%8A.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%8A.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Braille_%C3%8A.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%8A.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Braille_%C3%8A.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%8A.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_SH.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠩ (braille pattern dots-146) U+2829"><img alt="⠩ (braille pattern dots-146)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Braille_SH.svg/40px-Braille_SH.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Braille_SH.svg/60px-Braille_SH.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Braille_SH.svg/80px-Braille_SH.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%94.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠹ (braille pattern dots-1456) U+2839"><img alt="⠹ (braille pattern dots-1456)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Braille_%C3%94.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%94.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Braille_%C3%94.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%94.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Braille_%C3%94.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%94.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%9B.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠱ (braille pattern dots-156) U+2831"><img alt="⠱ (braille pattern dots-156)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Braille_%C3%9B.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%9B.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Braille_%C3%9B.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%9B.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Braille_%C3%9B.svg/80px-Braille_%C3%9B.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_%C3%8B.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠫ (braille pattern dots-1246) U+282B"><img alt="⠫ (braille pattern dots-1246)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Braille_%C3%8B.svg/40px-Braille_%C3%8B.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Braille_%C3%8B.svg/60px-Braille_%C3%8B.svg.png 1.5x, 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Braille_DecimalPoint.svg/40px-Braille_DecimalPoint.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Braille_DecimalPoint.svg/60px-Braille_DecimalPoint.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Braille_DecimalPoint.svg/80px-Braille_DecimalPoint.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_CursiveSign.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠸ (braille pattern dots-456) U+2838"><img alt="⠸ (braille pattern dots-456)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Braille_CursiveSign.svg/40px-Braille_CursiveSign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Braille_CursiveSign.svg/60px-Braille_CursiveSign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Braille_CursiveSign.svg/80px-Braille_CursiveSign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td></tr> <tr> <th> </th> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Comma.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠂ (braille pattern dots-2) U+2802"><img alt="⠂ (braille pattern dots-2)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Braille_Comma.svg/40px-Braille_Comma.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Braille_Comma.svg/60px-Braille_Comma.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Braille_Comma.svg/80px-Braille_Comma.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Semicolon.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠆ (braille pattern dots-23) U+2806"><img alt="⠆ (braille pattern dots-23)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Braille_Semicolon.svg/40px-Braille_Semicolon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Braille_Semicolon.svg/60px-Braille_Semicolon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Braille_Semicolon.svg/80px-Braille_Semicolon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Colon.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠒ (braille pattern dots-25) U+2812"><img alt="⠒ (braille pattern dots-25)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Braille_Colon.svg/40px-Braille_Colon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Braille_Colon.svg/60px-Braille_Colon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Braille_Colon.svg/80px-Braille_Colon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Period.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠲ (braille pattern dots-256) U+2832"><img alt="⠲ (braille pattern dots-256)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Braille_Period.svg/40px-Braille_Period.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Braille_Period.svg/60px-Braille_Period.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Braille_Period.svg/80px-Braille_Period.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_QuestionMark.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠢ (braille pattern dots-26) U+2822"><img alt="⠢ (braille pattern dots-26)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Braille_QuestionMark.svg/40px-Braille_QuestionMark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Braille_QuestionMark.svg/60px-Braille_QuestionMark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Braille_QuestionMark.svg/80px-Braille_QuestionMark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠖ (braille pattern dots-235) U+2816"><img alt="⠖ (braille pattern dots-235)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg/40px-Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg/60px-Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg/80px-Braille_ExclamationPoint.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Bracket.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠶ (braille pattern dots-2356) U+2836"><img alt="⠶ (braille pattern dots-2356)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Braille_Bracket.svg/40px-Braille_Bracket.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Braille_Bracket.svg/60px-Braille_Bracket.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Braille_Bracket.svg/80px-Braille_Bracket.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_QuoteOpen.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠦ (braille pattern dots-236) U+2826"><img alt="⠦ (braille pattern dots-236)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Braille_QuoteOpen.svg/40px-Braille_QuoteOpen.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Braille_QuoteOpen.svg/60px-Braille_QuoteOpen.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Braille_QuoteOpen.svg/80px-Braille_QuoteOpen.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Asterisk.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠔ (braille pattern dots-35) U+2814"><img alt="⠔ (braille pattern dots-35)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Braille_Asterisk.svg/40px-Braille_Asterisk.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Braille_Asterisk.svg/60px-Braille_Asterisk.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Braille_Asterisk.svg/80px-Braille_Asterisk.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_QuoteClose.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠴ (braille pattern dots-356) U+2834"><img alt="⠴ (braille pattern dots-356)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Braille_QuoteClose.svg/40px-Braille_QuoteClose.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Braille_QuoteClose.svg/60px-Braille_QuoteClose.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Braille_QuoteClose.svg/80px-Braille_QuoteClose.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠐ (braille pattern dots-5) U+2810"><img alt="⠐ (braille pattern dots-5)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg/40px-Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg/60px-Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg/80px-Braille_ContractionPrefix.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Braille_Correction.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="⠰ (braille pattern dots-56) U+2830"><img alt="⠰ (braille pattern dots-56)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Braille_Correction.svg/40px-Braille_Correction.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Braille_Correction.svg/60px-Braille_Correction.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Braille_Correction.svg/80px-Braille_Correction.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="154" data-file-height="215"/></a></span><br/> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I looked at the other tables and one of the differences I saw was that they used <b>type=i</b> and not <b>size=60</b> in the wikitext. I do not know anything about Braille, and so I am just guessing. See also: <a href="/wiki/Template:Braille_cell" title="Template:Braille cell">Template:Braille cell</a>. <a href="/wiki/Template:Bc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Bc">Template:Bc</a> redirects to it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z"></span>The problem that I see at <a href="/wiki/Cantonese_Braille" title="Cantonese Braille">Cantonese Braille</a> appears to be similar to that described at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_102#Table_cell_should_be_pushed_higher" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 102">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 102#Table cell should be pushed higher</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-08-31T09:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z"></span>Yes, images force the table to expand. But we don't always want to use images. Using text allows search, which is handy; also, text expands according to user settings, which is important for those with poor vision. (It seems ironic that an article on braille should not be accessible to the visually impaired.) Ideally, the table would expand appropriately regardless of whether the cells contained images or text. — <a href="/wiki/User:Kwamikagami" title="User:Kwamikagami">kwami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami" title="User talk:Kwamikagami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 1 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z"></span>I tried setting the style for each row, with <code>style="font-size:300%;"</code>, but the table does not adjust for that either. Instead, every single cell needs its size reset; for the regular-size print, it then needs to be set again. That's an awful lot of coding for a workaround. — <a href="/wiki/User:Kwamikagami" title="User:Kwamikagami">kwami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami" title="User talk:Kwamikagami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kwamikagami-2012-09-01T03:13:00.000Z-Redrose64-2012-08-31T13:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span> I copied the archived discussion from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_102#Table_cell_should_be_pushed_higher" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 102">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 102#Table cell should be pushed higher</a>. </p> <table style="border:1px solid; padding:3px;"> <tbody><tr> <td> <p>Table cell should be pushed higher </p><p>Can someone explain why or howto: the 2nd cell is not pushed larger by the font-size. Situation is that <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Braille_cell/core" title="Template:Braille cell/core">braille cell/core</a>}}</code> sets the font-size within the cell (span the text), not in wikitable code (style between pipes). </p> <table border="1" class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>A </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="font-size:300%;">A</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="font-size:300%;">A </td></tr></tbody></table> -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2012-08-11T01:32:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span>Please? -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-DePiep-2012-08-11T01:32:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2012-08-11T01:32:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2012-08-11T01:32:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span>Look at <a href="/wiki/Template:Braille_cell/core" title="Template:Braille cell/core">Template:braille cell/core</a>, for the font-size issues. A style="font-size:300%" would display 3x larger than the basic size, just as 500% would display the letter "C" as 5x larger.</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span class="brai_cell" title="A () " style="background: #eaecf0;">A</span> -- {{Braille cell/core| type=text | character=A}}</li> <li><span class="brai_cell" title="A () " style="background: #eaecf0; font-size:100%;">A</span> -- {{Braille cell/core| type=text | character=A |size=100%}}</li> <li><span class="brai_cell" title="B () " style="background: #eaecf0; font-size:300%;">B</span> -- {{Braille cell/core| type=text | character=B |size=300%}}</li> <li><span class="brai_cell" title="C () " style="background: #eaecf0; font-size:500%;">C</span> -- {{Braille cell/core| type=text | character=C |size=500%}}</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I guess people are unsure as to what the question is specifically. -<a href="/wiki/User:Wikid77" title="User:Wikid77">Wikid77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikid77" title="User talk:Wikid77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z-DePiep-2012-08-10T10:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z"></span>He wants to know why the table cell height does not auto-adjust iteself to the font height. <span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Edokter" title="User:Edokter"><span style="color:#008"><i>E</i>dokter</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edokter" title="User talk:Edokter"><span style="color:#080">talk</span></a>) — </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z-Wikid77-2012-08-12T04:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2012-08-12T12:57:00.000Z-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z"></span>As Edokter says. I could have been more clear then. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-DePiep-2012-08-12T12:57:00.000Z-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2012-08-12T12:57:00.000Z-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2012-08-12T12:57:00.000Z-Edokter-2012-08-12T09:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-01T03:23:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span>I haven't studied the templates enough to understand it all. </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:Braille_cell" title="Template:Braille cell">Template:Braille cell</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:Braille_cell/core" title="Template:Braille cell/core">Template:braille cell/core</a> and so on. Font sizing and tables is a complex issue. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Timeshifter-2012-09-01T03:23:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-01T03:23:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-01T03:23:00.000Z-Table_not_expanding_to_fit_contents"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikitable_column_problem" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikitable_column_problem-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikitable_column_problem-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span>Wikitable column problem<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikitable_column_problem-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem"></span>For this wikitable I'm trying to get the top row to only be one header and the bottom row to be 4 columns, but for some reason it keeps creating two columns (or two headers) for the first row. Help would be appreciated, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:CartoonDiablo" title="User:CartoonDiablo">CartoonDiablo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CartoonDiablo" title="User talk:CartoonDiablo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:02:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem"></span> </p> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr valign="bottom"> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem"></span>Cell that should not be here</th> <th colspan="4">Effectiveness of psychotherapy treatment in adults<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <p>(<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span>-Proven,<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/20px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/30px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/40px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span>-Presumed,<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/35px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/46px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span>-No effect) </p> </th></tr> <tr> <td><b>Disease or condition</b></td> <td><b>Psychoanalysis</b></td> <td align="center"><b>Cognitive <br/>behavioral therapy</b></td> <td align="center"><b>Family <br/>or couple therapy</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Schizophrenia" title="Schizophrenia">Schizophrenia</a><br/>(acute phase, with drugs)</td> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/35px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/46px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span></div></td> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/20px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/30px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/40px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span></div></td> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">ibid. see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK7123/table/A414/?report=objectonly">full table</a></span> </li> </ol></div></div> <dl><dd>Is this what you are aiming for?</dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr valign="bottom"> <th colspan="4">Effectiveness of psychotherapy treatment in adults<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <p>(<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span>-Proven,<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/20px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/30px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/40px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span>-Presumed,<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/35px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/46px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span>-No effect) </p> </th></tr> <tr> <td><b>Disease or condition</b></td> <td><b>Psychoanalysis</b></td> <td align="center"><b>Cognitive <br/>behavioral therapy</b></td> <td align="center"><b>Family <br/>or couple therapy</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Schizophrenia" title="Schizophrenia">Schizophrenia</a><br/>(acute phase, with drugs)</td> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/35px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/46px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span></div></td> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/20px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/30px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/40px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span></div></td> <td><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">ibid. see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK7123/table/A414/?report=objectonly">full table</a></span> </li> </ol></div></div> <dl><dd>-- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z-Wikitable_column_problem"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:48:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z"></span>Yes, Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:CartoonDiablo" title="User:CartoonDiablo">CartoonDiablo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CartoonDiablo" title="User talk:CartoonDiablo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:48:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:48:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CartoonDiablo-2012-09-03T21:48:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-09-03T21:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Colspan_help_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Colspan_help_needed-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Colspan_help_needed-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z"></span>Colspan help needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Colspan_help_needed-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z-Colspan_help_needed"></span>Please take a look at the Men's Skeet row in <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:2012OlympicShootingSchedule&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:2012OlympicShootingSchedule (page does not exist)">Template:2012OlympicShootingSchedule</a>. The intention is for the Q to span the Mon 30 column <i>and</i> half the Tue 31 column, with the F taking up the rest of that column (just like on the RFP and Trap rows). It renders a bit differently in different browsers, but none of the ones I've tried (Chromium, Firefox, Opera) do it the intended way. I assume that this is because all the other cells in that column are empty, but I don't know what the preferred way of solving this might be. Any help appreciated. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.226.207.245" title="Special:Contributions/85.226.207.245">85.226.207.245</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:85.226.207.245&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:85.226.207.245 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z-Colspan_help_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z-Colspan_help_needed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z-Colspan_help_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-09-17T15:22:00.000Z-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z"></span>As you suspect, the problem is that none of the rows have an entry in the first half of the Tue 31 column, so it collapses to zero width. If you can tolerate the extra border, one fix would be to split the Tue 31 cell into two, for any other row; for example, the Men's Double Trap immediately above could be altered from <dl><dd><code>| align="left"| [[Shooting at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's double trap|Men's Double Trap]] || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || bgcolor="#D0A9F5"|Q || bgcolor="#FFDF80"|F || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2|</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>to <dl><dd><code>| align="left"| [[Shooting at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's double trap|Men's Double Trap]] || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || || || colspan=2| || bgcolor="#D0A9F5"|Q || bgcolor="#FFDF80"|F || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2| || colspan=2|</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>It doesn't have to be that row - any of the fourteen event rows which have nothing that day will do. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-09-17T15:22:00.000Z-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-09-17T15:22:00.000Z-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-09-17T15:22:00.000Z-85.226.207.245-2012-09-17T10:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problem_with_Wikitable_margins" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z"></span>Problem with Wikitable margins<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span>I've created a right-floating table on <a href="/wiki/Strepsirrhini" title="Strepsirrhini">a page I'm revamping</a>, but for some reason the body text runs right up against the edge of the table no matter what I do. Am I doing something wrong? I've never had this problem before. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif"><b>– <a href="/wiki/User:Maky" title="User:Maky"><span style="color:darkgreen;">Maky</span></a> <sup>«<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maky" title="User talk:Maky"><span style="color:olive;"> talk </span></a>»</sup></b></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span> </p> <dl><dd><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z"></span>style=float:right; border="1"; width="450pt"</code> → <code>style="float:right; margin:5px;"</code></dd> <dd>The <code>wikitable</code> class already defines <code>border:1</code>, so that is redundant, and you don't need the <code>width</code> here. I used <code>margin</code> to set the spacing around all the outside of the table— you can tweak it as desired. ---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T04:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z"></span>Excellent. Thanks for the fix and sorry for the dumb question. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif"><b>– <a href="/wiki/User:Maky" title="User:Maky"><span style="color:darkgreen;">Maky</span></a> <sup>«<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maky" title="User talk:Maky"><span style="color:olive;"> talk </span></a>»</sup></b></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-09-28T09:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T12:11:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z"></span>You are welcome. It's not dumb to ask for help when you need it. ---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T12:11:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T12:11:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-09-28T12:11:00.000Z-Maky-2012-09-28T11:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span>(unindent). Here is a trick I learned at Wikia where their pages are so narrow that every pixel counts when wrapping text around floating tables. It is possible to specify only a left or right margin. </p> <ul><li><code>style="float:right; margin-left:5px;"</code></li></ul> <p>As for <code>border="1"</code> it is part of HTML 5, and not CSS. One does not use it inside CSS code. No "style=" in front of it. Just put it in separately. </p> <ul><li><code>border="1" style="float:right; margin-left:5px;"</code></li></ul> <p><code>border="1"</code> is allowed in HTML 5 so that tables can be understood anywhere they are placed even without their site CSS. Kind of like how paragraph <p> and break tags <br> work when text is passed on in email and blogs, and are not dependent on external CSS. Just as text can be passed on in email, blogs, etc, so can tables be passed on more comprehensibly in email, blogs, etc.. Otherwise many tables would be incomprehensible when passed on without borders. The numbers and alignment in data cells in many tables would be too confusing and mixed up without borders. </p><p>There are various HTML 5 pages that explain all this in detail, and other reasons for border="1". </p> <pre>{| class="wikitable" border="1" |- ! header 1 ! header 2 ! header 3 |- | row 1, cell 1 | row 1, cell 2 | row 1, cell 3 |- | row 2, cell 1 | row 2, cell 2 | row 2, cell 3 |} </pre> <p>The above wikitext is produced when I click the table button in my edit window. The table button is in the "advanced" dropdown menu bar. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 29 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z"></span>When I use the table button, I just get <code>class="wikitable"</code>. I use Vector with the enhanced toolbar. The Vector stylesheet includes:</dd></dl> <div style="margin-left:5em" class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-css mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="nt">table</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">wikitable</span><span class="o">,</span> <span class="nt">table</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nc">mw_metadata</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">{</span> <span class="k">margin</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="mi">1</span><span class="kt">em</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="mi">0</span><span class="p">;</span> <span class="k">border</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="mi">1</span><span class="kt">px</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="mh">#aaa</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="kc">solid</span><span class="p">;</span> <span class="k">background</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="kc">white</span><span class="p">;</span> <span class="k">border-collapse</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="kc">collapse</span><span class="p">;</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div> <dl><dd>So, you can specify a border in either HTML,<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_tables.asp">[1]</a> or CSS.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_table.asp">[2]</a> But to use the <code>wikitable</code> class with <code>border="1"</code> is redundant. See <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850/wikitable" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Gadget850/wikitable">User:Gadget850/wikitable</a> for more on the <code>wikitable</code> CSS.</dd> <dd>As to "so that tables can be understood anywhere they are placed even without their site CSS"; If a table using the <code>wikitable</code> class is ported to a site without the associated CSS, it looses more than just the border.</dd> <dd>---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Gadget850-2012-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-09-29T10:06:00.000Z-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T04:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T11:50:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span>(unindent). I use Firefox browser and Vector skin. At <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing</a> I have "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" checked. This is unchecked: "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more". </p><p>When I past text or tables in email or blogs they lose everything except inline styling. <i>class=wikitable</i> is external styling, and so it is lost. </p><p>So the only thing that remains is <i>border=1</i> (quotes around "1" are optional). It is inline styling, and all it does is add a primitive border around all table cells. </p><p>Good short summaries that explain HTML 5 and <i>border=1</i> in tables: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://webdesign.about.com/od/tables/a/aa121597.htm">http://webdesign.about.com/od/tables/a/aa121597.htm</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp">http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp</a></li></ul> <p>I explained it all in detail a lot better here: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js/Archive_19#Border="1"_and_tables" title="MediaWiki talk:Common.js/Archive 19">MediaWiki talk:Common.js/Archive 19#Border="1" and tables</a></li></ul> <p>That discussion links to lots of authoritative info. As to your links <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3schools.com">w3schools.com</a> is good but not always comprehensive. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3fools.com">w3fools.com</a> for why. For example; "W3Schools.com is not affiliated with the W3C in any way. Members of the W3C have asked W3Schools to explicitly disavow any connection in the past, and they have refused to do so." </p><p>In 2008 <i>border="1"</i> was added to the table wikitext created by the table button on the toolbar: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css/Archive_5#Wikitable_borders_without_CSS" title="MediaWiki talk:Common.css/Archive 5">MediaWiki_talk:Common.css/Archive 5#Wikitable borders without CSS</a>. See discussion section above it too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T11:50:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T11:50:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2012-09-29T11:50:00.000Z-Problem_with_Wikitable_margins"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode" data-mw-thread-id="h-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span>Row border between last and before last row shows only in preview mode<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode"></span>Can somebody in the know find out what is wrong with this table in <a href="/wiki/General_Motors#Brand_reorganization" title="General Motors">General Motors#Brand reorganization</a>? When I go into EDIT mode of the section or the full article, and then click SHOW PREVIEW, that border shows, but after SAVE PAGE the border disappears again. I tried various things, but to no avail. I can't understand the reasons. --<a href="/wiki/User:L.Willms" title="User:L.Willms">L.Willms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L.Willms" title="User talk:L.Willms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z-Row_border_between_last_and_before_last_row_shows_only_in_preview_mode"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span>Try resetting your view with <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1249182868">.mw-parser-output .keyboard-key{border:1px solid #aaa;border-radius:0.2em;box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.2em rgba(0,0,0,0.1);background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa);background-image:linear-gradient(to bottom,var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0),var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa),var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0));color:var(--color-base,#202122);padding:0.1em 0.3em;font-family:inherit;font-size:0.85em}</style><kbd class="keyboard-key nowrap">control</kbd>+<kbd class="keyboard-key nowrap">0</kbd>. ---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z-L.Willms-2012-10-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T17:31:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! That did help. --<a href="/wiki/User:L.Willms" title="User:L.Willms">L.Willms</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L.Willms" title="User talk:L.Willms">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T17:31:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T17:31:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L.Willms-2012-10-09T17:31:00.000Z-Gadget850-2012-10-09T09:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only" data-mw-thread-id="h-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Centered Text in One Column Only<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only"></span>Probably an easy answer out there - and I may well have jumped right past when searching in Help:Table. </p><p>Is there a way to center a single, entire, column of text? This is for a "wikitable sortable" table with many columns, where third column should be centered text, but all other text columns should not be centered. Table is long, so trying not to have to use align="center" on third entry of EACH row... would be easier to tell it that the third COLUMN is centered. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Jmg38" title="User:Jmg38">Jmg38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmg38" title="User talk:Jmg38">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z-Centered_Text_in_One_Column_Only"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Alas, there is no way to have an attribute apply to a whole column (well, except for column width). —<a href="/wiki/User:EncMstr" title="User:EncMstr">EncMstr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EncMstr" title="User talk:EncMstr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z-Jmg38-2012-10-16T20:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmg38-2012-10-17T05:04:00.000Z-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Darn. Thanks for the insight.<a href="/wiki/User:Jmg38" title="User:Jmg38">Jmg38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmg38" title="User talk:Jmg38">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Jmg38-2012-10-17T05:04:00.000Z-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmg38-2012-10-17T05:04:00.000Z-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmg38-2012-10-17T05:04:00.000Z-EncMstr-2012-10-16T20:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Floating_Wikitable" data-mw-thread-id="h-Floating_Wikitable-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Floating_Wikitable-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z"></span>Floating Wikitable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Floating_Wikitable-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z-Floating_Wikitable"></span>The coach table in this article, <a href="/wiki/2012_Nebraska_Cornhuskers_baseball_team" title="2012 Nebraska Cornhuskers baseball team">2012 Nebraska Cornhuskers baseball team</a>, will not float to the right when I am on the page but it does float when I am editing only that section of the page but not when I am editing the whole article. <a href="/wiki/User:Thundrplaya" title="User:Thundrplaya">Thundrplaya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thundrplaya" title="User talk:Thundrplaya">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z-Floating_Wikitable" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z-Floating_Wikitable"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z-Floating_Wikitable"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012_Nebraska_Cornhuskers_baseball_team&diff=prev&oldid=517817789"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-10-18T23:24:00.000Z-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z"></span>This edit</a></span> moved a block of text to an earlier point which was OK, except that it took this line: <dl><dd><code>{| class="toccolours" width=95% style="clear:both; margin:1.5em auto; text-align:center;"</code></dd></dl></dd> <dd>which is the opening line of a table, along with it. Some of the subsequent edits just made the situation worse.</dd> <dd>I have fixed it with <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012_Nebraska_Cornhuskers_baseball_team&diff=prev&oldid=518602878">this edit</a></span>, which has got the table formats back to how they were previously, but I've not reverted any content changes: in particular I notice that <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012_Nebraska_Cornhuskers_baseball_team&diff=prev&oldid=518573878">this edit</a></span> has removed a 2012 reference and replaced it with a ref from 2005, which is surely not correct. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-10-18T23:24:00.000Z-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-10-18T23:24:00.000Z-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-10-18T23:24:00.000Z-Thundrplaya-2012-10-18T21:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Table_too_wide_for_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Table_too_wide_for_page-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Table_too_wide_for_page-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z"></span>Table too wide for page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Table_too_wide_for_page-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z-Table_too_wide_for_page"></span>I cannot figure out how to format this table to fit on the webpage: <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_physical_therapy_schools_in_the_United_States&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of physical therapy schools in the United States (page does not exist)">List of physical therapy schools in the United States</a> </p><p>Can anyone help me out please? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Redbnr22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Redbnr22">Redbnr22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redbnr22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Redbnr22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z-Table_too_wide_for_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z-Table_too_wide_for_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z-Table_too_wide_for_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2012-11-09T00:26:00.000Z-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z"></span>First thing I see is the need for [brackets] around the links. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Timeshifter-2012-11-09T00:26:00.000Z-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2012-11-09T00:26:00.000Z-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2012-11-09T00:26:00.000Z-Redbnr22-2012-11-08T04:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions" title="List of Olympic medalists in art competitions">List of Olympic medalists in art competitions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions"></span>When <a href="/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions" title="List of Olympic medalists in art competitions">List of Olympic medalists in art competitions</a> article passed FL, the rowspans for 1924 Mixed Sculpturing and Mixed Literature looked like they do at <a href="/wiki/Art_competitions_at_the_1924_Summer_Olympics" title="Art competitions at the 1924 Summer Olympics">Art competitions at the 1924 Summer Olympics</a>. Now the table doesn't seem to be recognizing the rowspan and is treating them as two separate rows and I can't figure it out. Help? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Canadian_Paul" title="User:Canadian Paul">Canadian Paul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Canadian_Paul" title="User talk:Canadian Paul">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Canadian_Paul" title="Special:Contributions/Canadian Paul">contribs</a>) 17:20, 29 November 2012</span></small> </p> <dl><dd>The difference is that the tables in <a href="/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions" title="List of Olympic medalists in art competitions">List of Olympic medalists in art competitions</a> are set up as sortable tables. A recent bug is described <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_105#Javascript_screwing_up_tables" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 105">here</a>. Be patient, and things may improved once the bug fix is deployed. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 29 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z-List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_art_competitions"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Canadian_Paul-2012-11-29T17:41:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z"></span>Ah, that's fine, I'm in no rush. Glad to know that there's nothing I can do about it. Thanks for the quick response! <a href="/wiki/User:Canadian_Paul" title="User:Canadian Paul"><span style="color:red">Canadian</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Canadian_Paul" title="User talk:Canadian Paul"><span style="color:orange">Paul</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Canadian_Paul-2012-11-29T17:41:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Canadian_Paul-2012-11-29T17:41:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Canadian_Paul-2012-11-29T17:41:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2012-11-29T17:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span>Sortable table with in-table headings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings"></span>I am working on a long <a href="/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_Pakistan" title="List of dams and reservoirs in Pakistan">list of dams</a> which, for reader's ease and understanding, I want to be sortable and also have sub-headings. However with the method I am applying below, the sorting does not work properly. </p> <table class="wikitable sortable" style="width:98%"> <tbody><tr> <th class="unsortable" style="width:5%;"><b>Sr. No.</b> </th> <th class="sortable" style="width:17%;"><b>Name</b> </th> <th class="unsortable" style="width:15%;"><b>Location</b> </th> <th class="unsortable" style="width:15%;"><b>Impounds</b> </th> <th class="sortable" style="width:15%;"><b>Height</b> </th> <th class="sortable" style="width:20%;"><b>Storage Capacity</b> </th> <th class="sortable" style="width:10%;"><b>Year of completion</b> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#4682b4;" colspan="7"><b><a href="/wiki/Azad_Kashmir" title="Azad Kashmir">Azad Kashmir</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td>1 </td> <td>Jari Dam </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Mirpur_District" title="Mirpur District">Mirpur District</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Saddle_dam" class="mw-redirect" title="Saddle dam">Saddle dam</a> </td> <td>84 metres (276 ft) </td> <td>NA </td> <td>1967 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#4682b4;" colspan="7"><b><a href="/wiki/Balochistan" title="Balochistan">Balochistan</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td>6 </td> <td>Spinkarez Dam </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Balochistan" title="Balochistan">Balochistan</a> </td> <td>Nar River and Murdar River </td> <td>29 metres (95 ft) </td> <td>6,800,000 m<sup>3</sup> (5,513 acre⋅ft) </td> <td>1945 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="background:#4682b4;" colspan="7"><b><a href="/wiki/Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa" title="Khyber Pakhtunkhwa">Khyber Pakhtunkhwa</a></b> </td></tr> <tr> <td>73 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Warsak_Dam" title="Warsak Dam">Warsak Dam</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Peshawar" title="Peshawar">Peshawar</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kabul_River" title="Kabul River">Kabul River</a> </td> <td>67 metres (220 ft) </td> <td>76,492,000 m<sup>3</sup> (62,013 acre⋅ft) </td> <td>1960 </td></tr> <tr> <td>74 </td> <td>Baran Dam </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Bannu" title="Bannu">Bannu</a> </td> <td>Baran River </td> <td>24 metres (79 ft) </td> <td> </td> <td>1962 </td></tr> <tr> <td>75 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Tanda_Dam_(Ramsar_Site)" class="mw-redirect" title="Tanda Dam (Ramsar Site)">Tanda Dam</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kohat" title="Kohat">Kohat</a> </td> <td>Kohat Toi River </td> <td>35 metres (115 ft) </td> <td> </td> <td>1967 </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>a) Is there any way to add both in one table? b) Numbering the cells is a hectic process, every time there is a new entry or a mistake I have to modify the numbering of entire table. Is there any means to have auto-numbering? <a href="/wiki/User:Samar" title="User:Samar"><span style="color:#367588;font-family:CommercialScript BT;font-size;large;">Samar</span></a> <sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samar" title="User talk:Samar"><span style="color:#008080;font-family:Andalus;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 19 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z-Sortable_table_with_in-table_headings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2012-09-19T21:01:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span>At <a href="/wiki/Help:Table#Sorting" title="Help:Table">Help:Table#Sorting</a>, second bullet, it states "Do not have elements spanning several columns". The sortable table feature of Mediawiki doesn't handle spanned cells. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2012-09-19T21:01:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2012-09-19T21:01:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2012-09-19T21:01:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2013-01-10T01:52:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span>I am aware these don't work together but I want to know if there is a way to have both. Probably separate sections in a single table and they can sort out separately?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b>Try simpler designs</b>: Samar, I understand your preferred layout. However, I think it may be asking too much of the mediawiki table capabilities. A useful design guideline is this: <i>Make everything as simple as possible, but don't oversimplify</i>. Applying this guideline to your table, I see two workable ways to provide the same information, and perhaps even make it more useful and accessible. They are:</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ol><li>Keep a single table as at present, but move the (regional) sub-headings to <b>a new column</b>, headed, say, 'Region' or 'Province'. Because you can make the whole table sortable, readers can sort it by the 'Region' column if desired, or in any other order they please. The main drawback to this approach is a minor effect on the data presentation: keeping word-wrap enabled, each column may become narrower and therefore rows may become longer and the entire table may require more scrolling on smaller, e.g. portable, devices. There is also a small increase in the amount of data stored, as each 'Region' value is replicated for every row in its sub-table.</li> <li><b>Split the present table</b> into one table for each (regional) sub-heading. And keep the table formats, including column headings, consistent across the whole set of tables. Yes, this might result in the occasional table with only one row after the headings, but so what? You're essentially trying to convey info about, and enable comparisons between, the same attributes (columns) in every table. So this simpler design for a set of tables will enable the reader to easily find those attributes and make comparisons between dams (rows).</li></ol></dd></dl> <dl><dd>One benefit of these simpler presentations is that it increases <a href="/wiki/Usability" title="Usability">usability</a>: those users who use screen-reader software will find them much easier to follow. With your current layout, try this experiment: Close your eyes and imagine trying to follow the information as it's read out aloud, and you'll quickly see the benefit, particularly for people unfamiliar with the territory.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Designing tables for maximum benefit is an important aspect of the job of the (relational) database designer, and both techniques above are ones we use for this purpose. Your table design problem is essentially one of designing a <a href="/wiki/Relational_database" title="Relational database">relational database</a>, and both approaches are tried and tested in decades of industry practice.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>In this particular case, I'd suggest trying the first approach (adding a 'Region' column). The second approach (splitting the table) runs the risk that subsequent edits may destroy the formal similarities between the individual tables, and thus their usefulness for comparisons.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As to <b>your numbering question</b>, consider this: Do you actually <i>need</i> a number for each dam? If you didn't have one, you wouldn't have to maintain it! ;-) But perhaps what you really need is not a number but a <i>logical identifier</i>, one which (a) uniquely identifies the dam (table row), so is the table's <a href="/wiki/Primary_key" title="Primary key">primary key</a> and (b) enables easy grouping of (say) all dams for one region - which translates to using the logical ID as a (perhaps default) <i>sort key</i>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>So consider replacing your 'Sr. No.' column by 'ID', and making it a (simply) structured code. e.g. <region_code><serial_num>, where <region_code> is a two or three-character code for 'Region' and <serial_num> is a two-digit serial number to distinguish dams within a region. For example, using AK, BL and KP for your three current (regional) sub-headings, you might give them the following ID values: <dl><dd>Jari Dam AK01</dd> <dd>Spinkarez Dam BL01</dd> <dd>Warsak Dam KP01</dd> <dd>Baran Dam KP02</dd> <dd>Tanda Dam KP03</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Or perhaps you want to number a region's dams by their distance from their source? For a single river, this might be their order going downstream. So instead of <serial_num> you might have <river_code><ordinal_num>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>How you choose to structure such an ID code depends on the information you want to convey, and done thoughtfully, can help you establish a default or standard sort order.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Hope this helps!</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Yahya_Abdal-Aziz" title="User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz">yoyo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yahya_Abdal-Aziz" title="User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2013-01-10T01:52:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2013-01-10T01:52:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2013-01-10T01:52:00.000Z-Samar-2012-09-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""prettytable"_from_Italian_WP" data-mw-thread-id="h-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z"><span id=".22prettytable.22_from_Italian_WP"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z"></span>"prettytable" from Italian WP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP"></span>I'm trying to translate <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipsanoteca_di_Brescia">the Italian WP article "Lipsanoteca di Brescia"</a>, which has a very pretty table using an old? "prettytable" template, at <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod/Brescia_Casket" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Johnbod/Brescia Casket">User:Johnbod/Brescia Casket</a>. I've got the images up by translating from "Immagine" to "image", but can't get the framing lines up. I've tried various things like "class="wikitable"" etc in preview but none work. Can anyone advise - feel free to try on the page. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z-"prettytable"_from_Italian_WP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Prettytable&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Prettytable (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z"></span>Template:Prettytable</a> was deleted from the English Wikipedia while the Italian still has it at <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Prettytable" class="extiw" title="it:Template:Prettytable">it:Template:Prettytable</a>. It works for me if all prettytable templates are replaced by class="wikitable" but you may need some of the styling from the prettytable parameters to get the wanted table layout. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T13:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z"></span>Works in that you see lines like in the Italian? I've now done that for the first table "Fronte" on mine & see no difference. Do you? <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z-PrimeHunter-2012-12-20T14:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Johnbod/Brescia_Casket?&diff=529054586&oldid=528962588"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z"></span>Better now?</a></span> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2012-12-20T14:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-2012-12-21T03:39:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z"></span>Fantastic! Thanks a lot. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Johnbod-2012-12-21T03:39:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-2012-12-21T03:39:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-2012-12-21T03:39:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2012-12-21T02:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_help_pls" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_help_pls-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_help_pls-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Need help pls<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_help_pls-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z-Need_help_pls"></span>I would like to add what is below to a page - however I would like to see the text appear beside the cart and not just above and below - is this possible?<a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Moxy-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z-Need_help_pls" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 24 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z-Need_help_pls"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2013-01-24T17:53:00.000Z-Need_help_pls"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z-Need_help_pls"></span>Text...............here to be seen above chart ............text </p> <dl><dd><b>Permanent Residents Admitted in 2010, by Top 10 Source Countries</b></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:left; width:50%;"> <tbody><tr> <th>Rank</th> <th>Country</th> <th>Number</th> <th>Percentage </th></tr> <tr> <td>1</td> <td><a href="/wiki/Philippines" title="Philippines">Philippines</a></td> <td>36,578</td> <td>13 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2</td> <td><a href="/wiki/India" title="India">India</a></td> <td>30,252</td> <td>10.8 </td></tr> <tr> <td>3</td> <td><a href="/wiki/China" title="China">China</a></td> <td>30,197</td> <td>10.8 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4</td> <td><a href="/wiki/United_Kingdom" title="United Kingdom">United Kingdom</a></td> <td>9,499</td> <td>3.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>5</td> <td><a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States">United States</a></td> <td>9,243</td> <td>3.3 </td></tr> <tr> <td>6</td> <td><a href="/wiki/France" title="France">France</a></td> <td>6,934</td> <td>2.5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>7</td> <td><a href="/wiki/Iran" title="Iran">Iran</a></td> <td>6,815</td> <td>2.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>8</td> <td><a href="/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates" title="United Arab Emirates">United Arab Emirates</a></td> <td>6,796</td> <td>2.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>9</td> <td><a href="/wiki/Morocco" title="Morocco">Morocco</a></td> <td>5,946</td> <td>2.1 </td></tr> <tr> <td>10</td> <td><a href="/wiki/South_Korea" title="South Korea">South Korea</a></td> <td>5,539</td> <td>2 </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><i>Top 10 Total</i></td> <td><i>147,799</i></td> <td><i>52.7</i> </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><i>Other</i></td> <td><i>132,882</i></td> <td><i>47.3</i> </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><b>Total</b></td> <td><b>280,681</b></td> <td><b>100</b> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Source:<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>Text here .............that i would like beside chart............text </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/annual-report-2011/section2.asp#part2_1">"Citizenship and Immigration Canada, Facts and Figures"</a>. Citizenship and Immigration Canada. 2010.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=unknown&rft.btitle=Citizenship+and+Immigration+Canada%2C+Facts+and+Figures&rft.pub=Citizenship+and+Immigration+Canada&rft.date=2010&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cic.gc.ca%2Fenglish%2Fresources%2Fpublications%2Fannual-report-2011%2Fsection2.asp%23part2_1&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AHelp+talk%3ATable%2FArchive+5" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> <dl><dd>I am not completely sure what you want, but this should cover it:</dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="2">Text............... above chart ............text </td></tr> <tr> <td> <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:left;"> <caption>Permanent Residents Admitted in 2010, by Top 10 Source Countries </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Rank</th> <th>Country</th> <th>Number</th> <th>Percentage </th></tr> <tr> <td>1</td> <td><a href="/wiki/Philippines" title="Philippines">Philippines</a></td> <td>36,578</td> <td>13 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2</td> <td><a href="/wiki/India" title="India">India</a></td> <td>30,252</td> <td>10.8 </td></tr> <tr> <td>3</td> <td><a href="/wiki/China" title="China">China</a></td> <td>30,197</td> <td>10.8 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4</td> <td><a href="/wiki/United_Kingdom" title="United Kingdom">United Kingdom</a></td> <td>9,499</td> <td>3.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>5</td> <td><a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States">United States</a></td> <td>9,243</td> <td>3.3 </td></tr> <tr> <td>6</td> <td><a href="/wiki/France" title="France">France</a></td> <td>6,934</td> <td>2.5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>7</td> <td><a href="/wiki/Iran" title="Iran">Iran</a></td> <td>6,815</td> <td>2.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>8</td> <td><a href="/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates" title="United Arab Emirates">United Arab Emirates</a></td> <td>6,796</td> <td>2.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>9</td> <td><a href="/wiki/Morocco" title="Morocco">Morocco</a></td> <td>5,946</td> <td>2.1 </td></tr> <tr> <td>10</td> <td><a href="/wiki/South_Korea" title="South Korea">South Korea</a></td> <td>5,539</td> <td>2 </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><i>Top 10 Total</i></td> <td><i>147,799</i></td> <td><i>52.7</i> </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><i>Other</i></td> <td><i>132,882</i></td> <td><i>47.3</i> </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><b>Total</b></td> <td><b>280,681</b></td> <td><b>100</b> </td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td>Text ........ beside chart ............ text </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">text .......... below chart ........... text </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>Probably you do not want the wikitable style applied to the outer table, which shows the grid lines. I added it for clarity of the technique. —<a href="/wiki/User:EncMstr" title="User:EncMstr">EncMstr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EncMstr" title="User talk:EncMstr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z-Need_help_pls" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z-Need_help_pls"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z-Need_help_pls"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z"></span>Sorry I should have said were <a href="/wiki/Canadians#Immigration" title="Canadians">Canadians#Immigration</a> if you scroll down you will see the map (image) <a href="/wiki/File:COB_data_Canada.PNG" title="File:COB data Canada.PNG">File:COB data Canada.PNG</a> - I wish to replace thus old info with the new chart but would like it to function like a image were text can flow around the chart.<a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2013-01-25T09:48:00.000Z-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z"></span>How's this?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable" style="float: left;"> <caption>Permanent Residents Admitted in 2010, by Top 10 Source Countries </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Rank</th> <th>Country</th> <th>Number</th> <th>Percentage </th></tr> <tr> <td>1</td> <td>Philippines</td> <td>36,578</td> <td>13 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2</td> <td>India</td> <td>30,252</td> <td>10.8 </td></tr> <tr> <td>3</td> <td>China</td> <td>30,197</td> <td>10.8 </td></tr> <tr> <td>4</td> <td>United Kingdom</td> <td>9,499</td> <td>3.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>5</td> <td>United States</td> <td>9,243</td> <td>3.3 </td></tr> <tr> <td>6</td> <td>France</td> <td>6,934</td> <td>2.5 </td></tr> <tr> <td>7</td> <td>Iran</td> <td>6,815</td> <td>2.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>8</td> <td>United Arab Emirates</td> <td>6,796</td> <td>2.4 </td></tr> <tr> <td>9</td> <td>Morocco</td> <td>5,946</td> <td>2.1 </td></tr> <tr> <td>10</td> <td>South Korea</td> <td>5,539</td> <td>2 </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><i>Top 10 Total</i></td> <td><i>147,799</i></td> <td><i>52.7</i> </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><i>Other</i></td> <td><i>132,882</i></td> <td><i>47.3</i> </td></tr> <tr> <td></td> <td><b>Total</b></td> <td><b>280,681</b></td> <td><b>100</b> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. 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Nunc sed lacus at augue bibendum dapibus. </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Michael_Bednarek-2013-01-25T09:48:00.000Z-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Bednarek-2013-01-25T09:48:00.000Z-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Bednarek-2013-01-25T09:48:00.000Z-Moxy-2013-01-24T19:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxy-2013-01-25T21:46:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z"></span>Thank you so much - have added it to the page see what others think - again thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:Moxy" title="User:Moxy">Moxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxy" title="User talk:Moxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Moxy-2013-01-25T21:46:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 25 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxy-2013-01-25T21:46:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxy-2013-01-25T21:46:00.000Z-EncMstr-2013-01-24T19:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z"><span id="Text_Wrapping_in_Tables.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z"></span>Text Wrapping in Tables?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:201px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span></td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/201px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="201" height="155" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/302px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/402px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Just wondering, how do I get the text in the bottom row to wrap? I do not intend on putting headers in this table. (Obviously, this is just a sample.) --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UltimateKuriboh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UltimateKuriboh (page does not exist)">UltimateKuriboh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UltimateKuriboh" title="User talk:UltimateKuriboh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z"></span>By default, tables are set to be wide enough so that wrapping doesn't occur. If you want wrapping, you also have to constrain the width. Since you are using images of a known size, you can force the width to be just wide enough for those images. Applying <code>style="width:201px;"</code> to the table will do that. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T21:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for that! --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UltimateKuriboh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UltimateKuriboh (page does not exist)">UltimateKuriboh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UltimateKuriboh" title="User talk:UltimateKuriboh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T21:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z"></span>Erm, some other unrelated questions. If I wanted to align a table in the center of the page, how would I do that? Also, how would I manage to fit 2 tables together side-by-side? For the second question, how could I provide some space between the tables, and how would I center both the tables together? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UltimateKuriboh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UltimateKuriboh (page does not exist)">UltimateKuriboh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UltimateKuriboh" title="User talk:UltimateKuriboh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Centring a table is easy, if you know how; the style <code>margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;</code> will do this, although it is by no means intuitive. Putting two tables side-by-side may be done by using a third table as a wrapper:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table style="width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width:50%;"> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:201px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span></td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. </td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:201px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span></td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It's important that the <code>{|</code> which is used to start the two inner tables goes at the beginning of the line. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T22:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z"></span>Follow-up question: In the second set of tables, what does <code>| style="width:100%;"</code> do, and how does that compare to the <code>|style="width:50%;"|</code> that comes directly after it? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UltimateKuriboh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UltimateKuriboh (page does not exist)">UltimateKuriboh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UltimateKuriboh" title="User talk:UltimateKuriboh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-01-31T23:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-02-01T00:13:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z"></span>The <code>{| style="width:100%;"</code> opens a table and forces it to occupy the full page width, regardless of its content. The <code>|style="width:50%;"|</code> begins a table cell and forces it to 50% of the available width. It might seem that setting each column to 50% width (and leaving the overall width unspecified) would be a better plan, but it's a general rule with HTML tables that when forcing the widths of columns, at least one column should be left without a specified width - this allows for error, also for those browsers with peculiar calculation methods. Thus, when the second cell is started - that's the <code>|</code> on a line of its own - no width is set for that; and because there are no other cells on the row, the width of this second cell is forced to be 50%.</dd> <dd>I don't know if you're familiar with HTML coding, but the equivalent in HTML would be:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <pre><table style="width:100%;"> <tr> <td style="width:50%;"> (Left-hand inner table goes here) </td> <td> (Right-hand inner table goes here) </td> </tr> </table> </pre> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-02-01T00:13:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-02-01T00:13:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-02-01T00:13:00.000Z-UltimateKuriboh-2013-01-31T23:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2013-02-01T02:46:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?"></span>(unindent). I experimented a little. It seems that since the widths of all the images have been specified you can just set an overall width such as <code>style="width:400px;"</code> for the table that wraps them all. </p><p>It is not necessary to specify the 50% width or the 201 pixel width of the inner tables. The overall width of the wrapper table is sufficient. It also forces the text to wrap. It is not necessary to add the extra pixels (201px, 202, 401, 402, etc..) when the image widths are specified. The images will force the tables that wrap them to expand as necessary. So just add the widths of all the inner images. Combine the centering style with the width: <code>style="width:400px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"</code> </p> <table style="width:400px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span></td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. </td></tr></tbody></table> </td> <td> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span></td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bartagame_(fcm).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/100px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/150px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg/200px-Bartagame_%28fcm%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1585" data-file-height="1221"/></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Timeshifter-2013-02-01T02:46:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2013-02-01T02:46:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2013-02-01T02:46:00.000Z-Text_Wrapping_in_Tables?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z"><span id="Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z"></span>Help with <a href="/wiki/List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom" title="List of trade unions in the United Kingdom">List of trade unions in the United Kingdom</a> please?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?"></span>Could someone help me to make the table allow the sorting? When I click columns (eg by number of employees) it doesn't seem to do anything. Can't figure this out, and would be super grateful for a hand! Many thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikidea" title="User:Wikidea"><b style="color: red;">Wik</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:Wikidea" title="User:Wikidea"><b style="color: gold;">idea</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z-Help_with_List_of_trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom_please?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Fixed</b></span>: For a table to be sortable, every row must have the same number of cells as every other row, but one of the rows (Community and Youth Workers' Union) was one cell short.</dd> <dd>On an unrelated matter, there's some nasty misuse of CSS there, such as width values in the <code>class=</code> attribute, and class values in the <code>width=</code> attribute. It's also not a good idea to specify widths in terms of pixels, since you don't know how wide the target screen is. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z-Wikidea-2013-03-09T20:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-03-10T16:45:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z"></span>I should have put "not a good idea to specify widths in absolute terms". Whether the measurement be pixels (<code>px</code>) or points (<code>pt</code>), it's still an absolute measure which assumes that the users screen is at least as wide as the sum of the specified widths. Relative widths are a better choice, you would use <code>width="10%"</code> etc. but be careful not to exceed 100%. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-03-10T16:45:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-03-10T16:45:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-03-10T16:45:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-03-09T23:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Governors-General_of_the_Philippines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Governors-General_of_the_Philippines" class="mw-redirect" title="Governors-General of the Philippines">Governors-General of the Philippines</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User_50-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span>Can someone help here. I'm adding a monarch column but I'm confused on how to have 3 monarchs for one person ,example: </p> <ul><li>Person A was Governor General (year 1788-1793)</li> <li>Person B was Governor General (1793-1806)</li> <li>Person C (1806-1810)</li></ul> <ul><li>Monarch 1(-1788)</li> <li>Monarch 2 (1788-1808)</li> <li>Monarch 2 (1808)</li> <li>Monarch 4 (1808-1813)</li></ul> <p>Three monarchs during Person C's term. </p><p>Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:User_50" class="mw-redirect" title="User:User 50"><span style="color:#4CBB17;"><b>User</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:User_50" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:User 50"><sup style="color:#FFD700;">50</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-User_50-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User_50-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User_50-2013-03-30T17:49:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span>NOTE: Just check the Spanish monarchs list. By the way, I'm doing the (1764–1898) section first. </p> <dl><dd>Have a look at the various rowspans I've used here. The entry for the second person is actually three table rows joined together:</dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th># </th> <th>Picture </th> <th>Name </th> <th>From </th> <th>Until </th> <th>Monarch </th></tr> <tr> <td align="center">1 </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg/80px-Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="107" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg/120px-Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg/160px-Lopez_de_Legazpi.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1704" data-file-height="2272"/></a></span> </td> <td align="center"><a href="/wiki/Miguel_L%C3%B3pez_de_Legazpi" title="Miguel López de Legazpi">Miguel López de Legazpi</a> </td> <td align="center">April 27, 1565 </td> <td align="center">August 20, 1572 </td> <td rowspan="2">Monarch one </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="3" align="center">2 </td> <td rowspan="3"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg/80px-Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="99" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg/120px-Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg/160px-Guido_de_Lavezares.jpg 2x" data-file-width="292" data-file-height="360"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="3" align="center"><a href="/wiki/Guido_de_Lavezaris" title="Guido de Lavezaris">Guido de Lavezaris</a> </td> <td rowspan="3" align="center">August 20, 1572 </td> <td rowspan="3" align="center">August 25, 1575 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Monarch two </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="2">Monarch three </td></tr> <tr> <td align="center">3 </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_(c.1504-1580).svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_%28c.1504-1580%29.svg/80px-Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_%28c.1504-1580%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="111" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_%28c.1504-1580%29.svg/120px-Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_%28c.1504-1580%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_%28c.1504-1580%29.svg/160px-Lesser_Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Spain_%28c.1504-1580%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="890" data-file-height="1236"/></a></span> </td> <td align="center"><a href="/wiki/Francisco_de_Sande" title="Francisco de Sande">Francisco de Sande</a> </td> <td align="center">August 25, 1575 </td> <td align="center">April 1580 </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>-- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T19:42:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z"></span>(More) A see you posted again here and then changed your mind. I can't be much help to you <a href="/wiki/Doctor_Who" title="Doctor Who">this evening</a> or <a href="/wiki/Easter" title="Easter">tomorrow</a>, but others will be watching this page so do post again if you need to. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T19:42:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T19:42:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T19:42:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-03-30T18:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span>I'm not sure if what I did was right, but it doesn't look like it was split inbetween the Governor column. It looks like it only goes across one row ? --<a href="/wiki/User:User_50" class="mw-redirect" title="User:User 50"><span style="color:#4CBB17;"><b>User</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:User_50" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:User 50"><sup style="color:#FFD700;">50</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z-Governors-General_of_the_Philippines"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Hmm. I think that you coded row 55 correctly, but the "Monarch two" cell was almost as high as the rest of the row. I've <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Governor-General_of_the_Philippines&diff=548143226&oldid=548142777">added some white space</a> to the first cell in row 55 so that the different in height is easier to see. Any good? (And, other watchers of this page, is there a better way?) -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T12:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z"></span>It seems to be fixed now and everything looks okay, thanks --<a href="/wiki/User:User_50" class="mw-redirect" title="User:User 50"><span style="color:#4CBB17;"><b>User</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:User_50" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:User 50"><sup style="color:#FFD700;">50</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-01T13:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-04-01T21:20:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z"></span>At <a href="/wiki/Template:Rail_line_three_to_two" title="Template:Rail line three to two">Template:Rail line three to two</a> I achieved a balanced vertical spacing by using six rows instead of four; two of the rows have cells containing only <code>&nbsp;</code>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-04-01T21:20:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-04-01T21:20:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-04-01T21:20:00.000Z-User_50-2013-04-01T14:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z"><span id="Too_much_texts_in_a_cell.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Too much texts in a cell?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FrancDeBx-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?"></span>Hi! I would like to ask if there is a consensus regarding number of texts inside a cell, especially if a table consist of almost a hundred cells (e.g. elimination table)? I would like to address the issue on the accessibility (or should I say, the "reability and flexibility") of the table on different screen resolutions. I am referring to <a href="/wiki/My_Kitchen_Rules_(series_4)" class="mw-redirect" title="My Kitchen Rules (series 4)">My Kitchen Rules (series 4)</a> elimination table format, and it <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oi49.tinypic.com/23jitkx.jpg">looks like this</a> on my part. I already <a href="/wiki/Talk:My_Kitchen_Rules_(series_4)#New_elimination_table_format_(again)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:My Kitchen Rules (series 4)">proposed a simpler format</a> through abbreviations and they objected it. → <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:FrancDeBx&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:FrancDeBx (page does not exist)">FrancDeBx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrancDeBx" title="User talk:FrancDeBx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-FrancDeBx-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FrancDeBx-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FrancDeBx-2013-04-01T18:04:00.000Z-Too_much_texts_in_a_cell?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2013_Premier_league_Darts" data-mw-thread-id="h-2013_Premier_league_Darts-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2013_Premier_league_Darts-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z"></span>2013 Premier league Darts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2013_Premier_league_Darts-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z-2013_Premier_league_Darts"></span>Can someone explain to me why the league table on the the <a href="/wiki/2013_Premier_League_Darts#Table" title="2013 Premier League Darts">2013 Premier League Darts</a> page has the extra |} after the table? I've seen it in the past and never been able to work out how to fix it as there seems to be nothing wrong with it. <a href="/wiki/User:Spudgfsh" title="User:Spudgfsh">Spudgfsh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spudgfsh" title="User talk:Spudgfsh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z-2013_Premier_league_Darts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z-2013_Premier_league_Darts"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z-2013_Premier_league_Darts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z"></span>If you use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Fb_cs_footer" title="Template:Fb cs footer">Fb cs footer</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, you don't need an explicit |} as well. Unfortunately if you can't surround that template with <code class="nowrap" style=""><small></code> tags, so if you want small text there, your best bet may be to not use that template at all. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z-Spudgfsh-2013-04-12T08:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_Premier_League_Darts&diff=prev&oldid=549985997"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z"></span>This fix</a></span> both eliminates the stray <code>|}</code> and nests the <code class="nowrap" style=""><small>...</small></code> correctly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2013-04-12T11:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Section_link_to_a_row" data-mw-thread-id="h-Section_link_to_a_row-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Section_link_to_a_row-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span>Section link to a row<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Section_link_to_a_row-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z-Section_link_to_a_row"></span>This bit about linking to a particular row within a table is either broken, both ways of accomplishing this task are the same, and/or both conditions exist. <a href="/wiki/Help:Table#Section_link_to_a_row" title="Help:Table">Help:Table#Section_link_to_a_row</a> I tried to do this and it just didn't work. I ended up hardcoding a <span id=.... />. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shmooth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shmooth (page does not exist)">Shmooth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shmooth" title="User talk:Shmooth">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shmooth" title="Special:Contributions/Shmooth">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z-Section_link_to_a_row" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z-Section_link_to_a_row"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z-Section_link_to_a_row"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-05-25T18:00:00.000Z-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span>Both ways were supposed to be different, I found that an overenthusiastic cleanup edit had made them look the same; I've <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Table&diff=prev&oldid=556757006">put it back</a></span> to how it had been previously. Using the first of those techniques, I can do this:</dd></dl> <pre>{| class=wikitable |This cell is on the first row |- id="Second row" |This cell is on the second row |} </pre> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>This cell is on the first row </td></tr> <tr id="Second_row"> <td>This cell is on the second row </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>which creates an anchor for use as the target for <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:Table#Second_row" title="Help talk:Table">Help talk:Table#Second row</a>.</dd> <dd>Anyway, which page did you need to add that <code class="nowrap" style=""><span id=... /></code> to? I can't find it in <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shmooth" title="Special:Contributions/Shmooth">your contributions</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-05-25T18:00:00.000Z-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-05-25T18:00:00.000Z-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-05-25T18:00:00.000Z-Shmooth-2013-05-25T16:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sorting_help_(please)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sorting_help_(please)-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z"><span id="Sorting_help_.28please.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sorting_help_(please)-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Sorting help (please)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sorting_help_(please)-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Godot13-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)"></span>I would greatly appreciate a little bit of help. I am creating a sortable aviation-related table and I would really like to be able to individually sort the subcolumns under the heading “deaths”. Right now it will only sort the first value (TOT) but not the others. Thanks in advance for any comments or assistance. --<a href="/wiki/User:Godot13" title="User:Godot13">Godot13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Godot13" title="User talk:Godot13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Godot13-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Godot13-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Godot13-2013-06-08T04:20:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)"></span> </p><p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <table class="wikitable sortable"> <caption><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)"></span>Aeroflot aviation accidents and incidents </caption> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" colspan="5" style="width:30px;">Deaths </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:200px;">Incident </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:60px;">Aircraft </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:60px;">Location </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;">Phase </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;">Airport </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;">Distance </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:60px;">Date </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;" class="unsortable">ASN<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </th></tr> <tr> <th scope="”col”" style="width:20px;">Tot </th> <th scope="”col”" style="width:20px;">C </th> <th scope="”col”" style="width:20px;">P </th> <th scope="”col”" style="width:20px;">G </th> <th scope="”col”" style="width:20px;">FR </th></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">178</th> <th>5</th> <th>169</th> <th>4</th> <th>97.2% </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_3352" title="Aeroflot Flight 3352">Aeroflot/East Siberia Flight 3352</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154" title="Tupolev Tu-154">Tupolev Tu-154</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">USSR-Russia-Omsk</span><a href="/wiki/Omsk" title="Omsk">Omsk</a>, Russia, USSR </td> <td><span style="display:none">7</span>LDG </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Omsk_Airport" class="mw-redirect" title="Omsk Airport">OMS/UNOO</a> </td> <td> </td> <td><span style="display:none">1984-10-11</span>11 Oct 1984 </td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">174</th> <th>10</th> <th>165</th> <th>0</th> <th>83% </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_217" title="Aeroflot Flight 217">Aeroflot Flight 217</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-62" title="Ilyushin Il-62">Ilyushin Il-62</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">USSR-Russia-Moscow</span><a href="/wiki/Moscow" title="Moscow">Moscow</a>, Russia, USSR </td> <td><span style="display:none">7</span>APR </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Moscow-Sheremetyevo" class="mw-redirect" title="Moscow-Sheremetyevo">SVO/UUEE</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">11 kilometres (6.8 mi)</span>11km (6.8mi) </td> <td><span style="display:none">1972-10-13</span>13 Oct 1972 </td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">166</th> <th>8</th> <th>156</th> <th>0</th> <th>92% </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_4227" class="mw-redirect" title="Aeroflot Flight 4227">Aeroflot Flight 4227</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154B-2" class="mw-redirect" title="Tupolev Tu-154B-2">Tupolev Tu-154B-2</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">USSR-Kazakhstan-Almaty</span><a href="/wiki/Almaty" title="Almaty">Almaty</a>, Kazakhstan, USSR </td> <td><span style="display:none">4</span>ICL </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Almaty_International_Airport" title="Almaty International Airport">ALA/UAAA</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">5 kilometres (3.1 mi)</span>5km (3.1mi) </td> <td><span style="display:none">1980-07-08</span>08 Jul 1980 </td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">62</th> <th>8</th> <th>54</th> <th>5</th> <th>43% </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_1970s" title="Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s">Aeroflot Flight 1036</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-18V" class="mw-redirect" title="Ilyushin Il-18V">Ilyushin Il-18V</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">USSR-Black Sea-Russia-Adler</span><a href="/wiki/Black_Sea" title="Black Sea">Black Sea</a>, <a href="/wiki/Adlersky_City_District" title="Adlersky City District">Adler</a>, Sochi, Russia, USSR </td> <td><span style="display:none">4</span>ICL </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Adler-Sochi_International_Airport" class="mw-redirect" title="Adler-Sochi International Airport">AER/URSS</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">4 kilometres (2.5 mi)</span>4 km (2.49mi) </td> <td><span style="display:none">1972-10-01</span>01 Oct 1972 </td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">57</th> <th>8</th> <th>49</th> <th>2</th> <th>71% </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_3932" title="Aeroflot Flight 3932">Aeroflot Flight 3932</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-104" title="Tupolev Tu-104">Tupolev Tu-104</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">USSR-Russia-Yekaterinburg</span><a href="/wiki/Yekaterinburg" title="Yekaterinburg">Yekaterinburg</a>, Russia, USSR </td> <td><span style="display:none">4</span>ICL </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Koltsovo_Airport" class="mw-redirect" title="Koltsovo Airport">SVX/USSS</a> </td> <td><span style="display:none">10 kilometres (6.2 mi)</span>10km (6.2mi) </td> <td><span style="display:none">1973-09-30</span>30 Sep 1973 </td> <td><sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <dl><dd>For a column to be sortable, it must have a header cell on the top row; thus there cannot be any <code>colspan=</code> on the top row. If you exchange the top two rows, like this</dd></dl> <table class="wikitable sortable"> <caption>Aeroflot aviation accidents and incidents </caption> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="width:20px;">Tot </th> <th scope="col" style="width:20px;">C </th> <th scope="col" style="width:20px;">P </th> <th scope="col" style="width:20px;">G </th> <th scope="col" style="width:20px;">FR </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:200px;">Incident </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:60px;">Aircraft </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:60px;">Location </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;">Phase </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;">Airport </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;">Distance </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:60px;">Date </th> <th scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:20px;" class="unsortable">ASN<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>7<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </th></tr> <tr> <th scope="col" colspan="5" style="width:30px;">Deaths </th></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>it will be sortable.</dd> <dd>Please also note that I altered <code>scope=”col”</code> to <code>scope="col"</code> - whilst the reasons for preferring <a href="/wiki/Quotation_mark_glyphs#Typewriter_quotation_marks" class="mw-redirect" title="Quotation mark glyphs">'typewriter' or straight quotemarks</a> over <a href="/wiki/Quotation_mark_glyphs#Quotation_marks_in_English" class="mw-redirect" title="Quotation mark glyphs">'typographic' or curly quotemarks</a> in running text are <a href="/wiki/MOS:QUOTEMARKS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:QUOTEMARKS">mainly stylistic</a>, in Wiki markup only the straight form (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.charbase.com/0022"><code>"</code> U+0022 Quotation Mark</a>) will work because other characters which look similar (including, but not limited to, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.charbase.com/201C"><code>“</code> U+201C Left Double Quotation Mark</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.charbase.com/201D"><code>”</code> U+201D Right Double Quotation Mark</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.charbase.com/2033"><code>″</code> U+2033 Double Prime</a>) are completely different from a technical point of view. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z-Sorting_help_(please)"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Godot13-2013-06-08T14:40:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z"></span>Thank you so much for the help! What you did makes perfect sense... --<a href="/wiki/User:Godot13" title="User:Godot13">Godot13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Godot13" title="User talk:Godot13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Godot13-2013-06-08T14:40:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Godot13-2013-06-08T14:40:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Godot13-2013-06-08T14:40:00.000Z-Redrose64-2013-06-08T08:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-4">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://aviation-safety.net/index.php">http://aviation-safety.net/index.php</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-5">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19841011-0">"ASN Accident Description (Aeroflot/East Siberia-3352)"</a>. <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://aviation-safety.net">http://aviation-safety.net</a></i>. 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Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2013-05-27</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=http%3A%2F%2Faviation-safety.net&rft.atitle=ASN+Accident+Description+%28Aeroflot-3932%29&rft.date=1973-09-30&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Faviation-safety.net%2Fdatabase%2Frecord.php%3Fid%3D19730930-1&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AHelp+talk%3ATable%2FArchive+5" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">External link in <code class="cs1-code"><code class="cs1-code">|website=</code></code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#param_has_ext_link" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-10">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://aviation-safety.net/index.php">http://aviation-safety.net/index.php</a></span> </li> </ol></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Collapsing_with_caption_as_title" data-mw-thread-id="h-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z"></span>Collapsing with caption as title<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eurofan2005-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title"></span>I want to make a collapsible table but I want the caption to be the title of it. When I use this code: </p> <div style="width:850px; background:#ddd; border:1px solid black; padding:0.5em 1em 0.5em 1em;"> <pre>{| class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="text-align:center;" width="55%" align="center" |+ Performances in ''The X Factor'' (Greece) |- " ! style="text-align:centre" |Show ! style="text-align:centre" |Song choice <small>(original artist) ! style="text-align:centre" |Result |- ! Auditions | {{n/a}} | Through to bootcamp |- ! rowspan="2"| Bootcamp | "[[Just Walk Away]]" <small>([[Céline Dion]]) | rowspan="2"|Through to judge's house |- | "[[I Have Nothing]]" <small>([[Whitney Houston]]) |} </pre> </div> <p>I get this: </p> <table class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="text-align:center;" width="55%" align="center"> <caption>Performances in <i>The X Factor</i> (Greece) </caption> <tbody><tr> <th style="text-align:centre">Show </th> <th style="text-align:centre">Song choice <small>(original artist)</small> </th> <th style="text-align:centre">Result </th></tr> <tr> <th>Auditions </th> <td data-sort-value="" style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #ececec); color: var(--color-base, inherit); vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="table-na">— </td> <td>Through to bootcamp </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2">Bootcamp </th> <td>"<a href="/wiki/Just_Walk_Away" class="mw-redirect" title="Just Walk Away">Just Walk Away</a>" <small>(<a href="/wiki/C%C3%A9line_Dion" class="mw-redirect" title="Céline Dion">Céline Dion</a>)</small> </td> <td rowspan="2">Through to judge's house </td></tr> <tr> <td>"<a href="/wiki/I_Have_Nothing" title="I Have Nothing">I Have Nothing</a>" <small>(<a href="/wiki/Whitney_Houston" title="Whitney Houston">Whitney Houston</a>)</small> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>But I want the [hide]/[show] to be on the <i>Performances in </i>The X Factor<i> (Greece)</i>. How can I fix it? <a href="/wiki/User:Eurofan2005" title="User:Eurofan2005"><b><span style="color:darkblue">Dimitris</span></b></a> ♪ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eurofan2005" title="User talk:Eurofan2005"><i><small>(talk)</small></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Eurofan2005-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 16 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eurofan2005-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eurofan2005-2013-06-16T11:39:00.000Z-Collapsing_with_caption_as_title"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Color_header_and_sortable?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Color_header_and_sortable?-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z"><span id="Color_header_and_sortable.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Color_header_and_sortable?-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z"></span>Color header and sortable?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Color_header_and_sortable?-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Frecklefoot-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z-Color_header_and_sortable?"></span>Is it possible to have a sortable table and set a custom color for the header? Whenver I try it, the table is still sortable, but the arrows don't appear. For example, using this markup: </p> <pre>{| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:90%" |- style="text-align:center;" ! style="background:#B0C4DE;" | Award ! style="background:#B0C4DE;" | Year ! style="background:#B0C4DE;" | Category ! style="background:#B0C4DE;" | Work ! style="background:#B0C4DE;" | Outcome |- | [[Academy Awards]] |2007 | [[Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor|Best Supporting Actor]] | ''[[Dreamgirls (film)|Dreamgirls]]'' |{{nom}} |- |rowspan=3| [[Annie Awards]] |1999 |Outstanding Individual Achievement for Voice Acting in an Animated Television Production |''[[The PJs]]'' |{{nom}} |} </pre> <p>I get: </p> <table class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:90%"> <tbody><tr style="text-align:center;"> <th style="background:#B0C4DE;">Award </th> <th style="background:#B0C4DE;">Year </th> <th style="background:#B0C4DE;">Category </th> <th style="background:#B0C4DE;">Work </th> <th style="background:#B0C4DE;">Outcome </th></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Academy_Awards" title="Academy Awards">Academy Awards</a> </td> <td>2007 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Supporting_Actor" title="Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor">Best Supporting Actor</a> </td> <td><i><a href="/wiki/Dreamgirls_(film)" title="Dreamgirls (film)">Dreamgirls</a></i> </td> <td style="background: #FFE3E3; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="no table-no2 notheme">Nominated </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="3"><a href="/wiki/Annie_Awards" title="Annie Awards">Annie Awards</a> </td> <td>1999 </td> <td>Outstanding Individual Achievement for Voice Acting in an Animated Television Production </td> <td><i><a href="/wiki/The_PJs" title="The PJs">The PJs</a></i> </td> <td style="background: #FFE3E3; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;" class="no table-no2 notheme">Nominated </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The color is applied, but the arrows aren't visible in the header cells. It's like applying a color strips away the sortability. Any way to solve this? — <a href="/wiki/User:Frecklefoot" title="User:Frecklefoot">Frεcklεfσσt</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frecklefoot" title="User talk:Frecklefoot">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Frecklefoot-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z-Color_header_and_sortable?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Frecklefoot-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z-Color_header_and_sortable?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Frecklefoot-2013-06-19T02:45:00.000Z-Color_header_and_sortable?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z"><span id="Need_some_quick_col.2Frow_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z"></span>Need some quick col/row scope MOS:DTT work on a pending FLC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC"></span>User:The Rambling Man</a> who is a director at FLC has informed me in reviewing my nomination for <a href="/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_New_Jersey" title="List of colonial governors of New Jersey">List of colonial governors of New Jersey</a> that I would need to make the tables compliant with <a href="/wiki/MOS:DTT" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DTT">MOS:DTT</a> for col and row scopes. I've told him I don't know what this is. After several requests, he gave me an example to go by that when I tried to implement screwed up the tables. So, please can someone from this page help fix this to make it MOS:DTT-compliant and then tell me what exactly I have to do for future reference? </p><p>See the discussion here (at the bottom of the page): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_colonial_governors_of_New_Jersey/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of colonial governors of New Jersey/archive1">Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of colonial governors of New Jersey/archive1</a> </p><p>Thanks for any assistance someone can offer.--<a href="/wiki/User:ColonelHenry" title="User:ColonelHenry">ColonelHenry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColonelHenry" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ColonelHenry">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z-Need_some_quick_col/row_scope_MOS:DTT_work_on_a_pending_FLC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-07-15T06:49:00.000Z-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z"></span>Responded on that page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-07-15T06:49:00.000Z-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-07-15T06:49:00.000Z-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-07-15T06:49:00.000Z-ColonelHenry-2013-07-14T19:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?" data-mw-thread-id="h-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z"><span id="table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z"></span>table best represented in source as its transpose?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?"></span>any suggestions for how to code a table that (imao) is best represented in the source as its own matrix transpose? </p><p>the specific case i'm looking at is side-by-side translation: the table has one column for each language, and one row for each paragraph. the paragraphs are much too long for the literal side-by-side (double-bar) format to be viable, and the normal way to code the table would be </p> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>language A </td> <td>language B </td></tr> <tr> <td>paragraph 1 (A) </td> <td>paragraph 1 (B) </td></tr> <tr> <td>paragraph 2 (A) </td> <td>paragraph 2 (B) </td></tr></tbody></table> <pre>{|class="wikitable" |- |language A |language B |- |paragraph 1 (A) |paragraph 1 (B) |- |paragraph 2 (A) |paragraph 2 (B) |} </pre> <p>what i'm looking for is some way to render the same table, but where the code looks more like </p> <pre>{|class="wikitable" |- |language A |paragraph 1 (A) |paragraph 2 (A) |- |language B |paragraph 1 (B) |paragraph 2 (B) |} </pre> <p>so that each language's whole text forms a coherent text in the source </p><p>the only thing i can think of at the moment is nested tables, but i know they're discouraged, so i wanted to ask if there were any other possibilities. <a href="/wiki/User:Adavies42" title="User:Adavies42">Adavies42</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adavies42" title="User talk:Adavies42">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 21 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z-table_best_represented_in_source_as_its_transpose?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2013-08-21T19:18:00.000Z-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z"></span>No. Although the syntax is very different, we follow the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular-data.html">HTML table model</a> (in simplified form), in that a table is composed of an optional caption and a mandatory body; the body is composed of one or more rows; the rows are composed of cells. Therefore the whole of one row must be described before the next row is commenced. Since HTML provides no means for describing a table in a column-by-column form, we don't either. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_5#c-Redrose64-2013-08-21T19:18:00.000Z-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2013-08-21T19:18:00.000Z-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2013-08-21T19:18:00.000Z-Adavies42-2013-08-21T18:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Table/Archive_5&oldid=1222844753">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Table/Archive_5&oldid=1222844753</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 8 May 2024, at 07:27<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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