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.mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb .wpb-main,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .wpb-header{background-color:#302f2d}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wpbs .banner-shell-inner{background-color:#2e2505}}</style><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crosshairs_Red.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Crosshairs_Red.svg/25px-Crosshairs_Red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Crosshairs_Red.svg/38px-Crosshairs_Red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Crosshairs_Red.svg/50px-Crosshairs_Red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="100"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Reliability" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability">Reliability</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crosshairs_Red.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Crosshairs_Red.svg/55px-Crosshairs_Red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="55" height="55" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Crosshairs_Red.svg/83px-Crosshairs_Red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Crosshairs_Red.svg/110px-Crosshairs_Red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="100"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This module is part of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Reliability" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability">WikiProject Reliability</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve the <a 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If you would like to participate, please visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedia_reliability" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia reliability">project page</a>, where you can join the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Reliability" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reliability">discussion</a> and see a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Reliability#Open_tasks" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability">list of open tasks</a>.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Reliability</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Reliability</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Reliability</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Reliability articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table id="archivebox" role="presentation" class="tmbox tmbox-notice mbox-small" style="text-align: center; padding: 1em;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="padding:0.6em 0 0.25em;"> <div style="width:100%; overflow:hidden;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span><br/><b>Archives</b></div> </td></tr><tr> <td class="plainlinks"> <table style="width: 100%; padding: 0px; text-align: center; background-color: transparent;"><tbody><tr><td><a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources/Archive_1" title="Module talk:Find sources/Archive 1">Archive 1</a></td></tr></tbody></table> </td> </tr><tr><td style="padding-bottom:11px"><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="22" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="Module talk:Find sources/" name="prefix"/><br/><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div> </td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px 10px; font-size:11.9px;"> <hr/> This page has archives. 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-RZuo-20231130063600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources-20231130063600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-RZuo-20231130063600-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Number of transclusions of Template:Find general sources&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Number of transclusions of Template:Find general sources&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Find_general_sources" title="Template:Find general sources"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RZuo-20231130063600-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources"></span>Template:Find general sources</a> has "869860 transclusion(s) found" as of 06:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC), as I just checked <a class="external free" href="https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&amp;namespace=10&amp;name=Find_general_sources#bottom">https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&amp;namespace=10&amp;name=Find_general_sources#bottom</a> . </p><p>(Appreciate it if another user can reply below and confirm this.) </p><p>This is written here because <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Find_general_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Find general sources">Template talk:Find general sources</a> redirects here. <a href="/wiki/User:RZuo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RZuo">RZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RZuo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:RZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-RZuo-20231130063600-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RZuo-20231130063600-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231130063600","author":"RZuo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RZuo-20231130063600-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources","replies":["c-RZuo-20231130064200-RZuo-20231130063600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RZuo-20231130063600-Number_of_transclusions_of_Template:Find_general_sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RZuo-20231130064200-RZuo-20231130063600"></span>Quoting from what appears right now on the template page, this is "<b>roughly 1% of all pages</b>" on English Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:RZuo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RZuo">RZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RZuo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:RZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-RZuo-20231130064200-RZuo-20231130063600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RZuo-20231130064200-RZuo-20231130063600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231130064200","author":"RZuo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RZuo-20231130064200-RZuo-20231130063600","replies":["c-RZuo-20231130065800-RZuo-20231130064200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RZuo-20231130064200-RZuo-20231130063600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RZuo-20231130065800-RZuo-20231130064200"></span>Also, quoting from <a href="/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources/Archive_1#Wikipedia_Library_text" title="Module talk:Find sources/Archive 1">Module_talk:Find_sources/Archive_1#Wikipedia_Library_text</a>, "<b>this is an 800k-transclusion template</b>" in September 2021. <a href="/wiki/User:RZuo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RZuo">RZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RZuo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:RZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-RZuo-20231130065800-RZuo-20231130064200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RZuo-20231130065800-RZuo-20231130064200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_12_January_2024-20240112052600"></span>Edit request 12 January 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_12_January_2024-20240112052600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Find_sources&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Edit request 12 January 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Adumbrativus-20240112052600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Edit_request_12_January_2024-20240112052600","replies":["c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600","timestamp":"20240112221600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Adumbrativus-20240112052600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Edit_request_12_January_2024-20240112052600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Edit request 12 January 2024&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Edit request 12 January 2024&quot;}--></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Module:Find_sources/templates/Find_general_sources" title="Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources">Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>A discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)</a> resulted in consensus supporting the proposal to "remove all individual news outlets" from <a href="/wiki/Module:Find_sources/templates/Find_general_sources" title="Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources">Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources</a> (closure: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1195065906" title="Special:Diff/1195065906">Special:Diff/1195065906</a>). This means removal of the following lines: </p> <pre> { code = 'new york times', display = "''NYT''", tooltip = 'The New York Times', }, { code = 'ap', display = 'AP', tooltip = 'Associated Press', }, </pre> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Adumbrativus" title="User:Adumbrativus">Adumbrativus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adumbrativus" title="User talk:Adumbrativus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112052600","author":"Adumbrativus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024","replies":["c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adumbrativus-20240112052600-Edit_request_12_January_2024"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> by Sdkb in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1195169672" title="Special:Diff/1195169672">Special:Diff/1195169672</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SWinxy" title="User:SWinxy">SWinxy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SWinxy" title="User talk:SWinxy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112221600","author":"SWinxy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SWinxy-20240112221600-Adumbrativus-20240112052600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Superb_Owl-20240624181600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:-20240624181600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Proposed removal on 'Find video game sources' template:&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Proposed removal on 'Find video game sources' template:&quot;}--><h2 id="Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_removal_on_&#039;Find_video_game_sources&#039;_template:-20240624181600"><span id="Proposed_removal_on_.27Find_video_game_sources.27_template:"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:-20240624181600"></span>Proposed removal on 'Find video game sources' template:<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:-20240624181600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Find_sources&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: Proposed removal on &#039;Find video game sources&#039; template:"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Superb_Owl-20240624181600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:-20240624181600","replies":["c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600","timestamp":"20240625092700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Superb_Owl-20240624181600&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:-20240624181600&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Proposed removal on 'Find video game sources' template:&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Proposed removal on 'Find video game sources' template:&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:"></span>Remove both <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=%22Find+video+game+sources%22&amp;prefix=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject+Video+games%2FReference+library&amp;fulltext=Search+reference+library&amp;fulltext=Search">VG/RL</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Find+video+game+sources%22+prefix%3AWikipedia+talk%3AWikiProject+Video+games&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;profile=default&amp;fulltext=1">WPVG/Talk</a> (both don't seem to link anywhere) on <a href="/wiki/Template:Find_video_game_sources" title="Template:Find video game sources">Template:Find video game sources</a> (these are the last two links) <a href="/wiki/User:Superb_Owl" title="User:Superb Owl">Superb Owl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Superb_Owl" title="User talk:Superb Owl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240624181600","author":"Superb Owl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:","replies":["c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Superb_Owl-20240624181600-Proposed_removal_on_'Find_video_game_sources'_template:"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600"></span>Unclear what you change you are requesting. Please clarify. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625092700","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20240625092700-Superb_Owl-20240624181600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jclemens-20240820055900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Trim_\&quot;list_of\&quot;_from_argument?-20240820055900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_\&quot;list_of\&quot;_from_argument?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Trim \&quot;list of\&quot; from argument?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Trim \&quot;list of\&quot; from argument?&quot;}--><h2 id="Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?-20240820055900"><span id="Trim_.22list_of.22_from_argument.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?-20240820055900"></span>Trim "list of" from argument?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?-20240820055900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Find_sources&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Trim &quot;list of&quot; from argument?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jclemens-20240820055900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Trim_\"list_of\"_from_argument?-20240820055900","replies":["c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_\"list_of\"_from_argument?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_\"list_of\"_from_argument?","timestamp":"20240820055900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jclemens-20240820055900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Trim_\&quot;list_of\&quot;_from_argument?-20240820055900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_\&quot;list_of\&quot;_from_argument?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Trim \&quot;list of\&quot; from argument?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Trim \&quot;list of\&quot; from argument?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?"></span>Can the logic here convert "List of foo" as a parameter to become a search for "foo"? e.g. "List of fictional rutabagas" becomes "fictional rutabagas" for search purposes? This would help correctly identify relevant sources in AfDs, and those who actually meant to search for "List of foo" can add the prefix back if desired. My experience is that "list of foo" consistently fails to produce any relevant sources, while "foo" will produce more sources, with some arguably relevant to the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Jclemens" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820055900","author":"Jclemens","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_\"list_of\"_from_argument?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jclemens-20240820055900-Trim_&quot;list_of&quot;_from_argument?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Mathglot-20241016045100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them-20241016045100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them&quot;,&quot;c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chatbots as valid sources or identifiers of them&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chatbots as valid sources or identifiers of them&quot;}--><h2 id="Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them-20241016045100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them-20241016045100"></span>Chatbots as valid sources or identifiers of them<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them-20241016045100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Module_talk:Find_sources&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Edit section: Chatbots as valid sources or identifiers of them"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mathglot-20241016045100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them-20241016045100","replies":["c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them","c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500","timestamp":"20241017194100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__13__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__6__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Mathglot-20241016045100&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them-20241016045100&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them&quot;,&quot;c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Chatbots as valid sources or identifiers of them&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Chatbots as valid sources or identifiers of them&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"></span>Awesome Aasim</a>, Can you please elaborate on your intentions with <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1251335553" title="Special:Diff/1251335553">this sandbox edit</a> ? I believe that it would be a perversion of this module and the associated template to admit any notion of AI bots into the module configuration either as 1) a reliable source, or as 2) a good way to find reliable sources (their hallucinations are legion). Hence, I would be against porting your changes to the module or to the template without consensus achieved at an Rfc on this page advertised at the main venues where AI bots are being discussed, as well as at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPR">WP:VPR</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016045100","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them","replies":["c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000-Mathglot-20241016045100","c-SamuelRiv-20241016175200-Mathglot-20241016045100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241016045100-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000-Mathglot-20241016045100"></span>I kind of agree as well. However, Google and Bing also index unreliable sources. I was initially going to put in a query "find reliable sources for $1" but then decided against it for some reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim">Awesome</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awesome_Aasim" title="User talk:Awesome Aasim">Aasim</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000-Mathglot-20241016045100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000-Mathglot-20241016045100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016140000","author":"Awesome Aasim","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000-Mathglot-20241016045100","replies":["c-Mathglot-20241016153400-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000"],"displayName":"Awesome"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000-Mathglot-20241016045100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241016153400-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000"></span>That is, of course, true. However, I have never seen Google or Bing invent a very convincing-looking source out of whole <s>cloth</s> bits, creating authors who do not exist, or very complex and scholarly-looking titles that look real but do not exist (but are quite similar to pieces of other titles that do exist), and so on. If the task assigned were to add sources to an article that do not exist but would rarely get challenged, AI bots are definitely the way to go. It's quite possible vandals or lazy or clueless editors are doing this already, and it is a problem that will have to be addressed at some point. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Mathglot-20241016153400-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241016153400-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016153400","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241016153400-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000","replies":["c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500-Mathglot-20241016153400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241016153400-Awesome_Aasim-20241016140000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500-Mathglot-20241016153400"></span>When a chatbot is powered by a search engine, it is less likely to make stuff up; but that doesn't mean it doesn't pull from unreliable sources. I have tried Copilot before (not necessarily for Wikipedia tasks, but for personal tasks like clarifying math concepts) and it has not really failed me. On the other hand, ChatGPT has occasionally made stuff up, especially when it does not query from the web. <a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim">Awesome</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awesome_Aasim" title="User talk:Awesome Aasim">Aasim</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500-Mathglot-20241016153400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500-Mathglot-20241016153400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016154500","author":"Awesome Aasim","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500-Mathglot-20241016153400","replies":["c-Mathglot-20241016162600-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500"],"displayName":"Awesome"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500-Mathglot-20241016153400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241016162600-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500"></span>Imho, this page is not the place for Wikipedia editors to debate whether chatbots are more or less likely to hallucinate under this or that circumstance, and, pardon me, but anecdotal evidence about failure to fail in casual use by non-experts is close to worthless. Please use the AI discussion venues for that. Here we should debate whether a find sources module should use the results of AI, however triggered, and imho the answer to that is a slam-dunk 'no'. I will shut up now, and hopefully others will chime in. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Mathglot-20241016162600-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241016162600-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016162600","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241016162600-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500","replies":["c-Pppery-20241016165300-Mathglot-20241016162600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241016162600-Awesome_Aasim-20241016154500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20241016165300-Mathglot-20241016162600"></span>Agreed entirely with Mathglot here. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Pppery-20241016165300-Mathglot-20241016162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20241016165300-Mathglot-20241016162600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016165300","author":"Pppery","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Pppery-20241016165300-Mathglot-20241016162600","replies":[],"displayName":"* Pppery *"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20241016165300-Mathglot-20241016162600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SamuelRiv-20241016175200-Mathglot-20241016045100"></span>Google's top-level "AI overview" results are rarely totally accurate, but they do give the source links, which in aggregate ends up being significantly <i>more reliable</i> for us than their raw top search results, which, often being shit like quora or low-quality zines, do not provide sources at all.</dd> <dd>I don't know if linking to another engine prompting something like ChatGPT would get better AI-enhanced results than Google or Bing in that respect, since they are putting a good deal of effort into making it give back real online-accessible sources. That seems to align with our goal here.</dd> <dd>Of course the other question is whether it's more enticing for the novice editor to have a shiny link saying "ChatGPT" or whatever latest AI tool is out there, instead of just clicking "Google", even if the result is the same. Also, calling exclusively the Google AI overview results does not appear possible right now as it's still considered an experimental feature, and it doesn't appear to be available in private browsing either. But that's my thought going forward. <a href="/wiki/User:SamuelRiv" title="User:SamuelRiv">SamuelRiv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SamuelRiv" title="User talk:SamuelRiv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-SamuelRiv-20241016175200-Mathglot-20241016045100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SamuelRiv-20241016175200-Mathglot-20241016045100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016175200","author":"SamuelRiv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SamuelRiv-20241016175200-Mathglot-20241016045100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SamuelRiv-20241016175200-Mathglot-20241016045100"></span></dd></dl> <p><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"></span>Listed at:</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)">Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016163500","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them","replies":["c-Rosguill-20241016164700-Mathglot-20241016163500","c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241016163500-Chatbots_as_valid_sources_or_identifiers_of_them"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20241016164700-Mathglot-20241016163500"></span>I think that even if chatbots were 100% accurate in their output, we would still want to avoid using them for use-cases like this because of how heavily these technologies rely on Wikipedia itself as an information source. We need to stay upstream of LLMs to avoid circular referencing. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Rosguill-20241016164700-Mathglot-20241016163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20241016164700-Mathglot-20241016163500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016164700","author":"Rosguill","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rosguill-20241016164700-Mathglot-20241016163500","replies":["c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500-Rosguill-20241016164700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20241016164700-Mathglot-20241016163500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500-Rosguill-20241016164700"></span>I wonder if with the right prompt engineering we can get these chatbots to actually spit out reliable sources. We can maybe base our entire prompt based on something like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSPS">WP:RSPS</a>. Although it probably would overfill the query parameter. <a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim">Awesome</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awesome_Aasim" title="User talk:Awesome Aasim">Aasim</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500-Rosguill-20241016164700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500-Rosguill-20241016164700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016172500","author":"Awesome Aasim","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500-Rosguill-20241016164700","replies":["c-Mathglot-20241016173000-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500"],"displayName":"Awesome"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500-Rosguill-20241016164700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241016173000-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500"></span>Are you proposing to engineer a solution that operates without human intervention? Because if you are successful, you should quit your day job and launch the next AI start-up, or become CTO of one of the existing ones. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Mathglot-20241016173000-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241016173000-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016173000","author":"Mathglot","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mathglot-20241016173000-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500","replies":["c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016173800-Mathglot-20241016173000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241016173000-Awesome_Aasim-20241016172500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016173800-Mathglot-20241016173000"></span>No, a person will still need to click on and then review what is provided, and provide follow up queries. The queries I pass into the ?q=... parameter may be a good start, but I don't think they are a good end. But us Wikipedians should know this; just as the first page of Google/Bing search results can at times be littered with stuff like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DAILYFAIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DAILYFAIL">WP:DAILYFAIL</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSMAX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEWSMAX">WP:NEWSMAX</a>, depending on the query and depending on previous searches.</dd> <dd>I have largely toyed with ChatGPT and found it is not always good. Web-based LLMs like Copilot and Gemini are a bit better, although I remember they had a bumpy start, sometimes pulling nonsense from places like Reddit and Facebook.</dd> <dd>I do not agree that we should just copy and paste the exact output of an LLM. I only think AI is good to assist humans, but practically can never replace humans. <a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim">Awesome</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awesome_Aasim" title="User talk:Awesome Aasim">Aasim</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016173800-Mathglot-20241016173000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016173800-Mathglot-20241016173000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016173800","author":"Awesome Aasim","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016173800-Mathglot-20241016173000","replies":[],"displayName":"Awesome"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awesome_Aasim-20241016173800-Mathglot-20241016173000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500"></span>I think that including AI-oriented links is likely to cause more problems than it solves. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Find_sources#c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017194100","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20241017194100-Mathglot-20241016163500"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐5767f597fb‐8xw7f Cached time: 20241127225632 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.021 seconds CPU time usage: 0.358 seconds Real time usage: 0.531 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1162/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 26506/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 1093/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 16/100 Expensive parser function count: 17/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 23115/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.193/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 3156429/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 440.966 1 -total 24.60% 108.495 1 Template:Archives 22.78% 100.445 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 21.70% 95.694 1 Template:Permanently_protected 16.54% 72.951 3 Template:Tmbox 14.47% 63.829 1 Template:WikiProject_Reliability 13.85% 61.078 1 Template:Lua_sidebar 12.91% 56.942 1 Template:Sidebar 11.16% 49.192 11 Template:Th/abp 8.07% 35.600 1 Template:Hatnote --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:43977977-0!dateformat=default and timestamp 20241127225632 and revision id 1251733881. 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