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Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.</span> <small><i>(September 2014)</i></small> <small class="hide-when-compact"><i>(<a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove this template message</a>)</i></small></span></td> </tr> </table> <table class="infobox vcard plainlist" style="width:22em"> <tr> <th colspan="2" style="text-align:center;font-size:125%;font-weight:bold;background-color: #b0c4de"><span class="fn org">Big Boys</span></th> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Origin</th> <td><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas" title="Austin, Texas">Austin</a>, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas" title="Texas">Texas</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Genres</th> <td><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queercore" title="Queercore">Queercore</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><span class="nowrap">Years active</span></th> <td>1979–1984</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Labels</th> <td>Moment Productions<br/> Wasted Talent<br/> <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_Records" title="Enigma Records">Enigma Records</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><span class="nowrap">Associated acts</span></th> <td><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDC_(band)" title="MDC (band)">MDC</a><br/> <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dicks" class="mw-redirect" title="The Dicks">The Dicks</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color: #b0c4de"></th> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><span class="nowrap">Past members</span></th> <td><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Turner" title="Randy Turner">Randy "Biscuit" Turner</a><br/> <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kerr_(musician)" title="Tim Kerr (musician)">Tim Kerr</a><br/> Chris Gates<br/> Steve Collier<br/> Greg Murray<br/> Fred Schultz<br/> <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rey_Washam" title="Rey Washam">Rey Washam</a></td> </tr> </table> <p>The <b>Big Boys</b> were a pioneering <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock" title="Punk rock">punk rock</a> band who are credited with helping introduce the new style of <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk" title="Hardcore punk">hardcore punk</a> that became popular in the 1980s.</p> <p></p> <div id="toc" class="toc"> <div id="toctitle"> <h2>Contents</h2> </div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#History"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">History</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#Formation"><span class="tocnumber">1.1</span> <span class="toctext">Formation</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Musical_importance"><span class="tocnumber">1.2</span> <span class="toctext">Musical importance</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Aftermath"><span class="tocnumber">1.3</span> <span class="toctext">Aftermath</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Footnotes"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Footnotes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Discography"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Discography</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#Singles"><span class="tocnumber">4.1</span> <span class="toctext">Singles</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-9"><a href="#Albums"><span class="tocnumber">4.2</span> <span class="toctext">Albums</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#Compilations"><span class="tocnumber">4.3</span> <span class="toctext">Compilations</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#External_links"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">External links</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <p></p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="History">History</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Boys&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: History">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Formation">Formation</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Boys&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Formation">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>Based in <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas" title="Austin, Texas">Austin, Texas</a> the band members were <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Turner" title="Randy Turner">Randy "Biscuit" Turner</a> on vocals, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kerr_(musician)" title="Tim Kerr (musician)">Tim Kerr</a> on <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar" title="Guitar">guitar</a> and <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Gates" class="mw-redirect" title="Chris Gates">Chris Gates</a> on <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_guitar" title="Bass guitar">bass</a>. The key members of the band were childhood friends for a decade before the band was started.<sup id="cite_ref-flip_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-flip-1">[1]</a></sup> Over the years the group played with five <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummer" title="Drummer">drummers</a> in all; Steve Collier, Greg Murray, Fred Schultz, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rey_Washam" title="Rey Washam">Rey Washam</a> and Kevin Tubb who played only one show (the band's first) because Collier was sick.</p> <p>The hardcore punk style, a development from the earlier <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock" title="Punk rock">punk</a> sound, arose spontaneously in various cities, but in Austin it was represented by <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDC_(band)" title="MDC (band)">MDC</a>, Big Boys, The Huns, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skunks" title="The Skunks">The Skunks</a> and <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dicks" class="mw-redirect" title="The Dicks">The Dicks</a>. The bands often played together; Big Boys and The Dicks jointly released a split single and an LP, <i>Live At Raul's</i>.</p> <p>Big Boys shows were legendary, frequently involving food fights, with "Biscuit" frequently sporting a pink <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballet_tutu" class="mw-redirect" title="Ballet tutu">ballerina's tutu</a> and pink cowboy boots.<sup id="cite_ref-flip_1-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-flip-1">[1]</a></sup> Invitations would be made to the audience to come up and sing along, which often occurred. At the end of early shows, the band was famous for yelling, "OK y'all, go start your own band."</p> <p>Queried about his sexuality by <i>Flipside</i> magazine in 1982, "Biscuit" Turner replied:</p> <blockquote> <p>"I don't know if I want to answer that or not because it doesn't make any difference if I'm gay or not, I'm a human being and my sexual preference doesn't play into my lifestyle. It comes from my heart and I want people to look at me and say I'm a human being — don't ask me about what 5% of my life is."<sup id="cite_ref-flip_1-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-flip-1">[1]</a></sup></p> </blockquote> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Musical_importance">Musical importance</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Boys&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Musical importance">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>The Big Boys are credited as well with the introduction of <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk" title="Funk">funk</a> rhythms to hardcore, producing <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk_metal" title="Funk metal">funk metal</a>, an innovation influential on later bands such as <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers" title="Red Hot Chili Peppers">Red Hot Chili Peppers</a>, who actually opened up for the Big Boys in Hollywood. This is due in no small part to the addition of a Horn Section, The Impromptu Horns, spearheaded by Chris Gates' brother, Nathan. The Impromptu Horns played mainly local shows, and played on some of the funkiest tracks recorded by The Big Boys. Most of the horn players, who rotated in and out of the section, went to High School with Chris and Nathan (according to Austin local punk rock authority and gay-rights activist "Fat" Scott T.)</p> <p>They were also one of the first bands involved in the <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skate_punk" title="Skate punk">skatepunk</a> scene, appearing in <i><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrasher_magazine" class="mw-redirect" title="Thrasher magazine">Thrasher</a></i> skateboarding magazine and in <i>Thrasher'</i>s videos, and had their own Big Boys <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skateboard" title="Skateboard">skateboard</a>. After a <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Brains" title="Bad Brains">Bad Brains</a> show in Austin that ended in controversy involving Biscuit (and later inspired the songs "Brickwall" and "Pay to Come Along" by <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDC_(band)" title="MDC (band)">MDC</a>), conflicts began to arise within the band, specifically between Biscuit and Chris. The Big Boys played their last show very unexpectedly. Biscuit and Chris never spoke to each other again.</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Aftermath">Aftermath</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Boys&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Aftermath">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>Tim Kerr went on to play with many bands, including <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poison_13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Poison 13 (page does not exist)">Poison 13</a>, Bad Mutha Goose, Monkeywrench, Jack O Fire, Lord High Fixers and, in 2004, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Total_Sound_Group_Direct_Action_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Total Sound Group Direct Action Committee (page does not exist)">The Total Sound Group Direct Action Committee</a>.</p> <p>Chris Gates was also with Poison 13, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkyard_(band)" title="Junkyard (band)">Junkyard</a> and <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charter_Bulldogs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Charter Bulldogs (page does not exist)">Charter Bulldogs</a>. Gates can currently be heard fronting Big Chris Gates and Gatesville, a southern-fried country group based in Austin.</p> <p>Of their drummers, Rey Washam has played consistently with such groups as <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry%27s_Kids_(band)" title="Jerry's Kids (band)">Jerry's Kids</a>, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_Acid" title="Scratch Acid">Scratch Acid</a>, and <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_(band)" title="Ministry (band)">Ministry</a>. Original drummer Steve Collier switched from drums to guitar and formed Doctors' Mob, whose first album was produced by Chris Gates, and later played in the Sidehackers and the Rite Flyers.</p> <p>Randy Turner had performed with <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Slurpees&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Slurpees (page does not exist)">The Slurpees</a>, <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_Cult_(band)" class="mw-redirect" title="Cargo Cult (band)">Cargo Cult</a>, and <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swine_King&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Swine King (page does not exist)">Swine King</a>, the latter band contributing the song "All Broke Down" to <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outpunk_Records" class="mw-redirect" title="Outpunk Records">Outpunk Records</a>' compilation, <i><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outpunk_Dance_Party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Outpunk Dance Party (page does not exist)">Outpunk Dance Party</a></i>. Randy Turner was found dead from <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_C" title="Hepatitis C">Hepatitis C</a> complications in his home on August 18, 2005. This was particularly odd simply because he was the cover of that week's <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Austin_Chronicle" title="The Austin Chronicle">The Austin Chronicle</a>.</p> <p>The Big Boys also appeared in the well-reviewed 2006 <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundance_Film_Festival" title="Sundance Film Festival">Sundance</a> film, <i><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hardcore_(film)" title="American Hardcore (film)">American Hardcore</a></i>. 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href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_My_Towel/Industry_Standard" title="Where's My Towel/Industry Standard">Where's My Towel/Industry Standard</a></i> on <a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Judy%27s" title="The Judy's">Wasted Talent</a> (1981)</li> <li><i>Lullabies Help The Brain Grow</i> on Moment Productions (1983)</li> <li><i>No Matter How Long The Line At The Cafeteria, There's Always A Seat</i> on Enigma (1984)</li> </ul> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Compilations">Compilations</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Boys&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Compilations">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <ul> <li><i>Rat Music for Rat People, Vol. 2</i> (<a href="/web/20170225091137/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Presents" class="mw-redirect" title="CD Presents">CD 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