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vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Bluethricecreamman</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_ABHammad" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_ABHammad"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2.2</span> <span>Statement by ABHammad</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_ABHammad-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Left_guide" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Left_guide"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2.3</span> <span>Statement by Left guide</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Left_guide-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Selfstudier" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Selfstudier"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2.4</span> <span>Statement by Selfstudier</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Selfstudier-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.3</span> <span>Result concerning Bluethricecreamman</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-PeleYoetz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#PeleYoetz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>PeleYoetz</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">13 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-PeleYoetz-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle PeleYoetz subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-PeleYoetz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.1</span> <span>Request concerning PeleYoetz</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning PeleYoetz</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_PeleYoetz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_PeleYoetz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2.1</span> <span>Statement by PeleYoetz</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_PeleYoetz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Selfstudier_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Selfstudier_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2.2</span> <span>Statement by Selfstudier</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Selfstudier_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2.3</span> <span>Statement by Sean.hoyland</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2.4</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.3</span> <span>Result concerning PeleYoetz</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Lima Bean Farmer</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">15 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Lima Bean Farmer subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.1</span> <span>Statement by Lima Bean Farmer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.2</span> <span>Statement by Dreamy Jazz</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.3</span> <span>Statement by (involved editor 1)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.4</span> <span>Statement by (involved editor 2)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.5</span> <span>Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Lima Bean Farmer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.5.1</span> <span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.5.2</span> <span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.6</span> <span>Result of the appeal by Lima Bean Farmer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lemabeta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lemabeta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Lemabeta</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">19 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Lemabeta-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Lemabeta subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Lemabeta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_Lemabeta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_Lemabeta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>Request concerning Lemabeta</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_Lemabeta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning Lemabeta</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Lemabeta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Lemabeta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Lemabeta</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Lemabeta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Spinney_Hill"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.2</span> <span>Statement by Spinney Hill</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.3</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_Lemabeta" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_Lemabeta"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3</span> <span>Result concerning Lemabeta</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_Lemabeta-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bajaria_-_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bajaria_-_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Bajaria - 2</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Bajaria_-_2-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Bajaria - 2 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Bajaria_-_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Second_request_concerning_Bajaria"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.1</span> <span>Second request concerning Bajaria</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning Bajaria</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Bajaria" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Bajaria"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Bajaria</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Bajaria-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.2.2</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_Bajaria" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_Bajaria"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.3</span> <span>Result concerning Bajaria</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_Bajaria-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Peckedagain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Peckedagain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Peckedagain</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Peckedagain-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Peckedagain subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Peckedagain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_Peckedagain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_Peckedagain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1</span> <span>Request concerning Peckedagain</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_Peckedagain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning Peckedagain</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Peckedagain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Peckedagain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Peckedagain</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Peckedagain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_DanielRigal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_DanielRigal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.2</span> <span>Statement by DanielRigal</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_DanielRigal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.3</span> <span>Statement by CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Licks-rocks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Licks-rocks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.4</span> <span>Statement by Licks-rocks</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Licks-rocks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.5</span> <span>Statement by (LunaHasArrived)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Nosferattus" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Nosferattus"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.6</span> <span>Statement by Nosferattus</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Nosferattus-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2.7</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_Peckedagain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_Peckedagain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.3</span> <span>Result concerning Peckedagain</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_Peckedagain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Johnrpenner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Johnrpenner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Johnrpenner</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">15 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Johnrpenner-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Johnrpenner subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Johnrpenner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_Johnrpenner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.1</span> <span>Request concerning Johnrpenner</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_Johnrpenner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning Johnrpenner</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Johnrpenner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Johnrpenner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Johnrpenner</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Johnrpenner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_fiveby" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_fiveby"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.2.2</span> <span>Statement by fiveby</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_fiveby-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_KoA" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_KoA"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.2.3</span> <span>Statement by KoA</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_KoA-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.2.4</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.3</span> <span>Result concerning Johnrpenner</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-TenPoundHammer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#TenPoundHammer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>TenPoundHammer</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-TenPoundHammer-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle TenPoundHammer subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-TenPoundHammer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.1</span> <span>Request concerning TenPoundHammer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning TenPoundHammer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_TenPoundHammer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_TenPoundHammer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.2.1</span> <span>Statement by TenPoundHammer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_TenPoundHammer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Nil_Einne" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Nil_Einne"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.2.2</span> <span>Statement by Nil Einne</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Nil_Einne-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_6" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)_6"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.2.3</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_6-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8.3</span> <span>Result concerning TenPoundHammer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Toa Nidhiki05</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Toa Nidhiki05 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.1</span> <span>Statement by Toa Nidhiki05</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Vanamonde93" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Vanamonde93"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.2</span> <span>Statement by Vanamonde93</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Vanamonde93-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Guerillero" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Guerillero"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.3</span> <span>Statement by Guerillero</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Guerillero-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_starship.paint" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_starship.paint"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.4</span> <span>Statement by starship.paint</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_starship.paint-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_JohnAdams1800"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.5</span> <span>Statement by JohnAdams1800</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_BootsED" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_BootsED"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.6</span> <span>Statement by BootsED</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_BootsED-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.7</span> <span>Statement by (involved editor 1)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.8</span> <span>Statement by (involved editor 2)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.9</span> <span>Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Toa Nidhiki05</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.9.1</span> <span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.9.2</span> <span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_of_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.10</span> <span>Result of the appeal by Toa Nidhiki05</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Silvertide_goldwaves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Silvertide_goldwaves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Silvertide goldwaves</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Silvertide_goldwaves-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Silvertide goldwaves subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Silvertide_goldwaves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.1</span> <span>Request concerning Silvertide goldwaves</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning Silvertide goldwaves</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Silvertide goldwaves</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Zero0000" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Zero0000"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.2.2</span> <span>Statement by Zero0000</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Zero0000-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.2.3</span> <span>Statement by Sean.hoyland</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_7" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(username)_7"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.2.4</span> <span>Statement by (username)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(username)_7-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.3</span> <span>Result concerning Silvertide goldwaves</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Arbitration enforcement action appeal by The Mountain of Eden</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Arbitration enforcement action appeal by The Mountain of Eden subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.1</span> <span>Statement by The Mountain of Eden</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.2</span> <span>Statement by ScottishFinnishRadish</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.3</span> <span>Statement by Sean.hoyland</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Selfstudier_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.4</span> <span>Statement by Selfstudier</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.5</span> <span>Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by The Mountain of Eden</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.5.1</span> <span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.5.2</span> <span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.6</span> <span>Result of the appeal by The Mountain of Eden</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Void_if_removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Void_if_removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Void if removed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Void_if_removed-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Void if removed subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Void_if_removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Request_concerning_Void_if_removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_concerning_Void_if_removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.1</span> <span>Request concerning Void if removed</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_concerning_Void_if_removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2</span> <span>Discussion concerning Void if removed</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Void_if_removed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Void_if_removed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.1</span> <span>Statement by Void if removed</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Void_if_removed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Silver_seren" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a 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class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2" style="background-color:#CAE1FF;"><div>Wikipedia's centralized <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Request_directory" title="Wikipedia:Request directory">discussion, request, and help venues</a>. For a listing of ongoing discussions and current requests, see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dashboard" title="Wikipedia:Dashboard">dashboard</a>. 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comment/User names">Requests for comment</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism">Vandalism</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1%;background-color:#CAE1FF;">Other</th><td class="navbox-list-with-group navbox-list navbox-odd hlist" style="width:100%;padding:0"><div style="padding:0 0.25em"> <ul><li>Arbitration <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard">Committee noticeboard</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests">Requests</a></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Enforcement</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard">Edit filters</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Requested" title="Wikipedia:Edit 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Only the restricted editor may appeal an editor restriction. Any editor may appeal a page restriction. </p><p>The appeal process has three possible stages. An editor appealing a restriction may: </p> <ol><li>ask the administrator who first made the contentious topic restrictions (the "enforcing administrator") to reconsider their original decision;</li> <li>request review at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">arbitration enforcement noticeboard</a> ("AE") or at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">administrators' noticeboard</a> ("AN"); and</li> <li>submit a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCA">request for amendment</a> ("ARCA"). If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by <a href="/wiki/User:Arbitration_Committee" title="User:Arbitration Committee">email</a>.</li></ol> <p>Appeals submitted at AE or AN must be submitted using the <a href="/wiki/Template:Arbitration_enforcement_appeal" title="Template:Arbitration enforcement appeal">applicable template</a>. </p><p>A rough consensus of administrators at AE or editors at AN may specify a period of up to one year during which no appeals (other than an appeal to ARCA) may be submitted. </p> <dl><dt>Changing or revoking a contentious topic restriction</dt></dl> <p>An administrator may only modify or revoke a contentious topic restriction if a formal appeal is successful or if one of the following exceptions applies: </p> <ul><li>The administrator who originally imposed the contentious topic restriction (the "enforcing administrator") affirmatively consents to the change,<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>a<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> or is no longer an administrator;<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>b<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> or</li> <li>The contentious topic restriction was imposed (or last renewed) more than a year ago and: <ul><li>the restriction was imposed by a single administrator, or</li> <li>the restriction was an indefinite block.</li></ul></li></ul> <p>A formal appeal is successful only if one of the following agrees with revoking or changing the contentious topic restriction: </p> <ul><li>a <b>clear</b> consensus of uninvolved administrators at AE,</li> <li>a <b>clear</b> consensus of uninvolved editors at AN,</li> <li>a majority of the Arbitration Committee, acting through a motion at ARCA.</li></ul> <p>Any administrator who revokes or changes a contentious topic restriction out of process (i.e. without the above conditions being met) may, at the discretion of the Arbitration Committee, be desysopped. </p> <dl><dt>Standard of review</dt> <dt>On community review</dt></dl> <p>Uninvolved administrators at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">arbitration enforcement noticeboard</a> ("AE") and uninvolved editors at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">administrators' noticeboard</a> ("AN") should revoke or modify a contentious topic restriction on appeal if: </p> <ol><li>the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),</li> <li>the action was not reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption when first imposed, or</li> <li>the action is no longer reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption.</li></ol> <dl><dt>On Arbitration Committee review</dt></dl> <p>Arbitrators hearing an appeal at a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCA">request for amendment</a> ("ARCA") will generally overturn a contentious topic restriction only if: </p> <ol><li>the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),</li> <li>the action represents an unreasonable exercise of administrative enforcement discretion, or</li> <li>compelling circumstances warrant the full Committee's action.</li></ol> </div> </div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns 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as there would be no single enforcing administrator.</span> </li> </ol></div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Appeals and administrator modifications of non-contentious topics sanctions</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee">Arbitration Committee</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">procedures</a> relating to modifications and appeals state: </p> <dl><dt>Appeals by sanctioned editors</dt></dl> <p>Appeals may be made only by the editor under sanction and only for a currently active sanction. Requests for modification of page restrictions may be made by any editor. The process has three possible stages (see "Important notes" below). The editor may: </p> <ol><li>ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;</li> <li>request review at the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">arbitration enforcement noticeboard</a> ("AE") or at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">administrators’ noticeboard</a> ("AN"); and</li> <li>submit a request for amendment at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment">amendment requests page</a> ("ARCA"). If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by email through <a href="/wiki/User:Arbitration_Committee" title="User:Arbitration Committee">Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee</a> (or, if email access is revoked, to <span class="nowrap">arbcom-en<span class="mw-no-invert"><span class="skin-invert" typeof="mw:File"><span title="@"><img alt="@" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/15px-At_sign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/23px-At_sign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/30px-At_sign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="145" data-file-height="145"/></span></span></span>wikimedia.org</span>).</li></ol> <dl><dt>Modifications by administrators</dt></dl> <p>No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without: </p> <ol><li>the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or</li> <li>prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).</li></ol> <p>Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped. </p><p>Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied. </p><p>Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. If an administrator modifies a sanction placed by a former administrator, the administrator who made the modification becomes the "enforcing administrator". If a former administrator regains the tools, the provisions of this section again apply to their unmodified enforcement actions. </p><p><b>Important notes</b>: </p> <ol><li>For a request to succeed, either</li></ol> <dl><dd><dl><dd>(i) the clear and substantial consensus of (a) uninvolved administrators at AE or (b) uninvolved editors at AN or</dd> <dd>(ii) a passing motion of arbitrators at ARCA</dd> <dd>is required. If consensus at AE or AN is unclear, the status quo prevails.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ol><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li><li value="2"> While asking the enforcing administrator and seeking reviews at AN or AE are not mandatory prior to seeking a decision from the committee, once the committee has reviewed a request, further substantive review at any forum is barred. The sole exception is editors under an active sanction who may still request an easing or removal of the sanction on the grounds that said sanction is no longer needed, but such requests may only be made once every six months, or whatever longer period the committee may specify.</li> <li>These provisions apply only to contentious topic restrictions placed by administrators and to blocks placed by administrators to enforce arbitration case decisions. They do not apply to sanctions directly authorized by the committee, and enacted either by arbitrators or by arbitration clerks, or to special functionary blocks of whatever nature.</li> <li>All actions designated as arbitration enforcement actions, including those alleged to be out of process or against existing policy, must first be appealed following arbitration enforcement procedures to establish if such enforcement is inappropriate before the action may be reversed or formally discussed at another venue.</li></ol> </div> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Information for administrators processing requests</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>Thank you for participating in this area. AE works best if there are a variety of admins bringing their expertise to each case. There is no expectation to comment on every case, and the Arbitration Committee (ArbCom) thanks all admins for whatever time they can give. </p><p>A couple of reminders: </p> <ul><li>Before commenting, please familiarise yourself with the referenced ArbCom case. Please also read all the evidence (including diffs) presented in the AE request.</li> <li>When a request widens to include editors beyond the initial request, these editors must be notified and the notifications recorded in the same way as for the initial editor against whom sanctions were requested. Where some part of the outcome is clear, a partial close may be implemented and noted as "Result concerning X".</li> <li>Enforcement measures in arbitration cases should be construed liberally to protect Wikipedia and keep it running efficiently. Some of the behaviour described in an enforcement request might not be restricted by ArbCom. However, it may violate other Wikipedia policies and guidelines; you may use administrative discretion to resolve it.</li> <li>More than one side in a dispute may have ArbCom conduct rulings applicable to them. Please ensure these are investigated.</li></ul> <p>Closing a thread: </p> <ul><li>Once an issue is resolved, enclose it between <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hat" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Hat">hat</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hab" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Hab">hab</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tags. A bot should archive it in 7 days.</li> <li>Please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCA">referring the case to ARCA</a> if the outcome is a recommendation to do so or the issue regards administrator conduct.</li> <li>You can use the templates <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-aeblock" title="Template:Uw-aeblock">uw-aeblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (for blocks) or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:AE_sanction" title="Template:AE sanction">AE sanction</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (for other contentious topic restrictions) to give notice of sanctions on user talk pages.</li> <li>Please log sanctions in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log">Arbitration enforcement log</a>.</li></ul> <p>Thanks again for helping. 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.hidden-archive{box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;width:100%;clear:both;text-align:center;padding:1px;margin:0.2em auto 0;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .hat-header{padding:0.25em 1em;line-height:1.5em;text-align:center;background-color:#f2dfce;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .hat-content{border:solid 1px silver;padding:8px;background-color:#fff4f2;color:inherit;text-align:left}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .hat-header{background-color:#492b13}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .hat-content{background-color:#391c19}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .hat-header{background-color:#492b13}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .hat-content{background-color:#391c19}}</style> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header">Everyone should stop edit warring, long term and otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819180900-Bluethricecreamman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819180900-Bluethricecreamman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819180900-Bluethricecreamman"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br/>Requests may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240808234200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240808234200"></span>Request concerning Bluethricecreamman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240808234200"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240808234200-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BilledMammal" title="Special:Contributions/BilledMammal">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/BilledMammal" title="Special:DeletedContributions/BilledMammal">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/BilledMammal" title="Special:Log/BilledMammal">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=BilledMammal">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/BilledMammal" title="Special:Block/BilledMammal">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ABilledMammal">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-BilledMammal-20240808234200-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240808234200-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240808234200-Request_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bluethricecreamman" title="Special:Contributions/Bluethricecreamman">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Bluethricecreamman" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Bluethricecreamman">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Bluethricecreamman" title="Special:Log/Bluethricecreamman">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Bluethricecreamman">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Bluethricecreamman" title="Special:Block/Bluethricecreamman">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ABluethricecreamman">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bluethricecreamman&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3ABluethricecreamman">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_4" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>Violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:1RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:1RR">WP:1RR</a> and edit warring at <a href="/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples" title="Genocide of indigenous peoples">Genocide of indigenous peoples</a> by repeatedly reinstating the same disputed content: </p> <ol><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1230782834">17:49, 24 June 2024</a></span></li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1238813865">20:28, 5 August 2024</a></span></li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1238935047">13:21, 6 August 2024</a></span> (self-reverted <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1238939634">13:51, 6 August 2024</a></span> following talk page request)</li> <li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1239117395">12:44, 7 August 2024</a></span></li></ol> <p>They <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman#WP:1RR_at_Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">refused to self-revert</a>, saying that because they self-reverted 13:21, 6 August 2024 they were free to re-implement the edit. However, my understanding is that self-reverting, particularly when done only after the self-revert is requested, doesn't permit editors to ignore the most recent revert when re-implementing the edit and doing so comes across as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAMING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAMING">WP:GAMING</a>. </p><p>It is relevant that an <a href="/wiki/Talk:Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#RFC:_Palestinian_genocide_accusations" title="Talk:Genocide of indigenous peoples">RfC was held on including this content</a>, which closed as "no consensus". As the content was only in the article for six weeks, insufficient to establish it as the status quo, this means it should be excluded until a consensus is found to include it and editors should not be reinstating it even when done without edit warring or 1RR violations. </p> <dl><dt>Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1197217847">16:29, 19 January 2024</a></span> (see the system log linked to above).</li></ul> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1239382260">23:42, 8 August 2024</a></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240809084600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240809084600"></span>Discussion concerning Bluethricecreamman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240809084600"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300"></span>Statement by Bluethricecreamman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300"></span></h4></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"></span>a) I've explained revert then self revert doesn't count towards the counter, but BilledMammal has been harrassing me and others in talkpage to self revert. Also like... wouldn't the applicable place for this report be the edit war noticeboard? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN/EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN/EW">WP:AN/EW</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>)</li> <li>Seen some folks argue that no consensus means removal. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOCONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOCONSENSUS">WP:NOCONSENSUS</a> states specifically "When discussions of proposals to add, modify, or remove material in articles end without consensus, the common result is to retain the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit." Obviously, after that May RFC fails, we should probably keep the version of the article that had been in place since March with the included paragraph. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809184300-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809194800-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"></span>Response to result: Glad to have been informed, will read the AC/CT more carefully next time. Will update my behavior accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809194800-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809194800-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20240809194800-Statement_by_Bluethricecreamman"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Doing a self-revert on last edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>)</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_ABHammad" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_ABHammad-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809084600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_ABHammad-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809084600"></span>Statement by ABHammad<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_ABHammad-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809084600"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ABHammad-20240809084600-Statement_by_ABHammad"></span>I also noticed these problematic diffs, which seem to be part of a broader recent trend where disputed content is repeatedly inserted through edit warring in ARBPIA, despite being reverted multiple times. When asked to stop and wait for consensus, there are editors who reintroduce the disputed content anyway and insist that discussions should focus on whether the new content should be removed, rather than if it should be added in the first place. In some cases, they claim consensus exists, even when reverts indicate otherwise. Here are a few examples for these re-adds,leading to controversial content now appearing in the article: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples" title="Genocide of indigenous peoples">Genocide of indigenous peoples</a>: beside Bluethericecreamman, the disputed content was also restored by others following the RFC closure as no consensus: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples&diff=1238992733&oldid=1238939634">[1]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples&diff=1238799226&oldid=1238797877">[2]</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Palestinians" title="Palestinians">Palestinians</a>, where a new description as native/indigenous was introduced through edit warring: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palestinians&diff=1228533131&oldid=1228259127">[3]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palestinians&diff=1228829716&oldid=1228826211">[4]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palestinians&diff=1228855652&oldid=1228841908">[5]</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Israeli_allegations_against_UNRWA" class="mw-redirect" title="Israeli allegations against UNRWA">Israeli allegations against UNRWA</a>, where a scope change in all but name was introduced through edit warring, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israeli_allegations_against_UNRWA&diff=1239065232&oldid=1239063661">[6]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israeli_allegations_against_UNRWA&diff=1239087618&oldid=1239082008">[7]</a>, while a RM to move to "UNRWA and Israel" is now ongoing.</li> <li>Similar dynamics can be found also at <a href="/wiki/Zionism" title="Zionism">Zionism</a>. This is how its primary description as a "movement that ... aimed for the establishment of a Jewish state through the colonization of a land outside of Europe." was introduced, despite many reverts and substantial talk disagreement.</li></ul> <p>This seems why this may be part of the reason why Wikipedia is not pereceived as trustworthy anymore by some outside media when it comes to ARBPIA. <a href="/wiki/User:ABHammad" title="User:ABHammad">ABHammad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ABHammad" title="User talk:ABHammad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ABHammad-20240809084600-Statement_by_ABHammad" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ABHammad-20240809084600-Statement_by_ABHammad"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ABHammad-20240809084600-Statement_by_ABHammad"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Left_guide" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Left_guide-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809105500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Left_guide-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809105500"></span>Statement by Left guide<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Left_guide-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809105500"></span></h4></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20240809105500-Statement_by_Left_guide"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a>:</span> No, that noticeboard is only for normal edit-warring subject to 3RR in non-contentious topics. For edit-warring in designated contentious topics with stricter revert rules, this is the appropriate venue. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Left_guide-20240809105500-Statement_by_Left_guide" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20240809105500-Statement_by_Left_guide"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20240809105500-Statement_by_Left_guide"></span> </p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20240809201900-Statement_by_Left_guide"></span> All else being equal, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a> policy clause stipulates that disputed material stays out of an article unless and until there is a consensus for its inclusion: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.</p></blockquote> <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Left_guide-20240809201900-Statement_by_Left_guide" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20240809201900-Statement_by_Left_guide"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20240809201900-Statement_by_Left_guide"></span> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Selfstudier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809192200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809192200"></span>Statement by Selfstudier<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier-Discussion_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-20240809192200"></span></h4></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20240809192200-Statement_by_Selfstudier"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a>:</span> 6 weeks? Where's that from? (also see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#WP:NOCONSENSUS" title="Wikipedia talk:Consensus">Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#WP:NOCONSENSUS</a> where myself and others aren't in agreement with your rather simplistic take on this matter). As for who started it, that would have been <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples&diff=1238797877&oldid=1238786242">yourself</a> on 5 August, a month and a half (!) after <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#RFC:_Palestinian_genocide_accusations">the RFc closure on 25 June</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Selfstudier-20240809192200-Statement_by_Selfstudier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20240809192200-Statement_by_Selfstudier"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20240809192200-Statement_by_Selfstudier"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240809185500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240809185500"></span>Result concerning Bluethricecreamman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman-Bluethricecreamman-20240809185500"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240809185500-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>A self revert does not reset the revert counter, in my opinion. Beyond that <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a>:</span> I suggest you re-read the <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1197217847#Introduction_to_contentious_topics" title="Special:Diff/1197217847">introduction to to contentious topics</a> given your comments as from what I read here you to need <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">edit <b>carefully</b> and <b>constructively</b></q> (emphasis in the original). In contentious topics <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Wikipedia’s norms and policies are more strictly enforced</q> and so this self-evert resets your ability to do other reverts. In general your response here - including the suggestion it's the wrong forum which it's not - indicates you don't understand what it means to be a contentious topic and don't understand that norms and policies being more strictly enforced are exactly about this sort of thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240809185500-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240809185500-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240809185500-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240809195000-Barkeep49-20240809185500"></span>Given Blue's response I am ok closing this without further action. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240809195000-Barkeep49-20240809185500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240809195000-Barkeep49-20240809185500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240809195000-Barkeep49-20240809185500"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240812125000-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"></span>I think a reminder that long term edit warring is still edit warring wouldn't go amiss, although that goes for most editors in the topic area. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240812125000-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240812125000-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240812125000-Result_concerning_Bluethricecreamman"></span></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="PeleYoetz" data-mw-thread-id="h-PeleYoetz-20240811204200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-PeleYoetz-20240811204200"></span>PeleYoetz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-PeleYoetz-20240811204200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075500-PeleYoetz"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256395271"> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header">Moot, as <a href="#האופה">a companion thread</a> was referred to the Arbitration Committee. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a> • she/her) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075500-PeleYoetz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075500-PeleYoetz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075500-PeleYoetz"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br/>Requests may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Request_concerning_PeleYoetz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240811204200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240811204200"></span>Request concerning PeleYoetz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240811204200"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240811204200-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Levivich" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Levivich">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Levivich" title="Special:Log/Levivich">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Levivich">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Levivich" title="Special:Block/Levivich">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ALevivich">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Levivich-20240811204200-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240811204200-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240811204200-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240812192500-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:PeleYoetz" title="User:PeleYoetz">PeleYoetz</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PeleYoetz" title="User talk:PeleYoetz">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PeleYoetz" title="Special:Contributions/PeleYoetz">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/PeleYoetz" title="Special:DeletedContributions/PeleYoetz">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/PeleYoetz" title="Special:Log/PeleYoetz">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=PeleYoetz">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/PeleYoetz" title="Special:Block/PeleYoetz">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3APeleYoetz">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PeleYoetz&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3APeleYoetz">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBPIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBPIA">WP:ARBPIA</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>New three-month old account, same old edit wars. </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Zionism" title="Zionism">Zionism</a> <ul><li>Removals of "colonization" and similar (partial list: editors who have been sanctioned recently or have pending reports at AE): <a href="/wiki/User:Kentucky_Rain24" title="User:Kentucky Rain24">Kentucky Rain24</a> (KR) <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1227551828" title="Special:Diff/1227551828"> June 6</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:%D7%94%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94" title="User:האופה">האופה</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1227678817" title="Special:Diff/1227678817">June 7</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1228001241" title="Special:Diff/1228001241">KR June 8</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ABHammad" title="User:ABHammad">ABHammad</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1228236846" title="Special:Diff/1228236846">June 10</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1228237999" title="Special:Diff/1228237999">another</a>), <a href="/wiki/User:O.maximov" title="User:O.maximov">O.maximov</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1228546471" title="Special:Diff/1228546471">June 11</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1228616893" title="Special:Diff/1228616893">האופה June 12</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232237638" title="Special:Diff/1232237638">ABHammad July 2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232363491" title="Special:Diff/1232363491">O.maximov July 3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232520384" title="Special:Diff/1232520384">האופה July 4</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Icebear244" title="User:Icebear244">Icebear244</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232583135" title="Special:Diff/1232583135">July 4</a>, [fully-protected July 11-14], <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1235796386" title="Special:Diff/1235796386">ABHammad July 21</a> (predicate edit for <a href="#ABHammad">#ABHammad</a> report), <b><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239743692" title="Special:Diff/1239743692">PeleYoetz Aug 11</a></b> - first and only edit to the article with edit summary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Reverted to the last stable version ...</q></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239743310" title="Special:Diff/1239743310">first and only talk page comment</a> - <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">There's clearly no consensus here ... I see 9-10 voices against the change.</q> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Icebear244" title="User:Icebear244">Icebear244</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232611263" title="Special:Diff/1232611263">Jul 4</a>, filing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive336#Nishidani" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive336">the complaint against Nishidani</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">There is significant opposition to the proposed changes (at least 7 editors) evident on both the talk page and through repeated restorations of the last stable version.</q></li> <li>Icebear244 <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232642269" title="Special:Diff/1232642269">later on Jul 4</a> clarifies it's 9, not 7: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">You seem to have overlooked @האופה, who also opposed using the term in the discussion, and it appears @Vegan416 did too.</q></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1232520384" title="Special:Diff/1232520384">האופה July 4</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">... At least 7 editors clearly oppose this framing</q></li> <li>Of the 9-10 editors, 3 have been blocked, 1 TBANed, 1 0RR, and 3 currently have pending AE reports</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Israel" title="Israel">Israel</a> - "various causes" / "various reasons": <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1230554629" title="Special:Diff/1230554629">ABHammad Jun 23</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1230563017" title="Special:Diff/1230563017">האופה Jun 23</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1238304947" title="Special:Diff/1238304947">O.maximov Aug 3</a> (predicate edit for <a href="#O.maximov">#O.maximov</a> report), <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1238954305" title="Special:Diff/1238954305">האופה Aug 6</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239266999" title="Special:Diff/1239266999">PeleYoetz Aug 8</a></b> - first and only edit to the article, with edit summary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">there is no consensus for this new change</q>. No talk page posts.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Israeli_allegations_against_UNRWA" class="mw-redirect" title="Israeli allegations against UNRWA">Israeli allegations against UNRWA</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239062926" title="Special:Diff/1239062926">האופה Aug 7</a> - removes it entirely in their first edit to the article with edit summary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">this article is about UNRWA involvement in October 7, not the history of Israeli-UNRWA relations, removing recently added material that totally changed the scope</q> <ul><li>They had not participated in the talk page discussion prior to reverting</li> <li>One talk page message immediately prior to the revert: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239062786" title="Special:Diff/1239062786">1</a>; more after: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239064386" title="Special:Diff/1239064386">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239132602" title="Special:Diff/1239132602">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239140920" title="Special:Diff/1239140920">4</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239082008" title="Special:Diff/1239082008">PeleYoetz Aug 7</a> - removes it entirely in their first and only edit to the article with edit summary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">the scope was changed without real discussion on the proposed change</q> <ul><li>They had not participated in the discussion on the talk page prior to reverting</li> <li>Two talk page messages immediately prior to the revert: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239081868" title="Special:Diff/1239081868">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239081918" title="Special:Diff/1239081918">2</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dt>Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1235861072" title="Special:Diff/1235861072">July 21</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>Outside of the editors I've reported to AE, in this topic area, right now, I don't believe you will find other examples of what this report shows: two editors, "Editor A" and "Editor B", where Editor B: </p> <ol><li>Repeats Editor A's edits, votes the same way as Editor A, or otherwise "backs up" Editor A</li> <li>Three times at three different articles</li> <li>At articles they've never edited before</li> <li>Where they've also never before participated on the talk page</li> <li>Where they contribute nothing to the article <i>except</i> backing up Editor A</li> <li>Within the first few months of editing</li></ol> <p>We can even drop #6, I still don't think there's another example outside of what I've posted at AE lately. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Vanamonde93" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a>:</span> Would it change your mind if, instead of three times, it was six times? Here are three more examples: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1235790901" title="Special:Diff/1235790901">A</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1235859691" title="Special:Diff/1235859691">B</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1236036486" title="Special:PermanentLink/1236036486">A</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1236082644" title="Special:Diff/1236082644">B</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1237022215" title="Special:Diff/1237022215">A</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1237121273" title="Special:Diff/1237121273">B</a>. As a bonus, here's a seventh example, this time the order is reversed: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1237150702" title="Special:Diff/1237150702">B</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1237334061" title="Special:Diff/1237334061">A</a>. This is not normal editing; this isn't something other editors do. But if we allow this to happen, if we say this is an OK thing to do, then others will start doing it, too. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Levivich-20240812192500-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240812192500-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240812192500-Request_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-20240816215400-Levivich-20240812192500"></span>Though PeleYoetz continued editing after I filed this report, they haven't edited since Van asked for their comment four days ago. FWIW I'm fine for this to be closed as moot if admins want to; if there is future disruption, I or someone else can ask for admin intervention if needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Levivich-20240816215400-Levivich-20240812192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-20240816215400-Levivich-20240812192500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-20240816215400-Levivich-20240812192500"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1239832259" title="Special:Diff/1239832259">Special:Diff/1239832259</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240818102600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240818102600"></span>Discussion concerning PeleYoetz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240818102600"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_PeleYoetz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_PeleYoetz-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-20240818102600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_PeleYoetz-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-20240818102600"></span>Statement by PeleYoetz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_PeleYoetz-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-20240818102600"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PeleYoetz-20240818102600-Statement_by_PeleYoetz"></span>Hello everyone, </p><p>I have to admit that I'm not entirely sure what's going on here. Most of my Wikipedia activity is focused on tourism and food-related topics. I've only made a few edits regarding the conflict, and since then, I've felt increasingly targeted. It began with Selfstudier questioning on my talk page how I found the UNRWA page, a topic that made headlines in my home country of Israel the same day (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APeleYoetz&diff=1239101772&oldid=1236281410">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APeleYoetz&diff=1239101772&oldid=1236281410</a>). Then came this report by Levivich, which I still don't fully understand, and now I've received a strange question from Nableezy on my talk page (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APeleYoetz&diff=1240399865&oldid=1239832259">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APeleYoetz&diff=1240399865&oldid=1239832259</a>). I’m getting the impression that my contributions on the conflict are simply unwelcome. </p><p>If I've made any mistakes or violated Wikipedia policies, I'd appreciate it if someone could let me know. I've read through many pages before editing, and I hope I haven't done anything wrong. </p><p>Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:PeleYoetz" title="User:PeleYoetz">PeleYoetz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PeleYoetz" title="User talk:PeleYoetz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-PeleYoetz-20240818102600-Statement_by_PeleYoetz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PeleYoetz-20240818102600-Statement_by_PeleYoetz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PeleYoetz-20240818102600-Statement_by_PeleYoetz"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Selfstudier_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier_2-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier_2-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span>Statement by Selfstudier<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier_2-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span></h4></div> <p>Until recently I had no real involvement with this editor other than giving an awareness notice in July. Just to add to Levivich diffs: </p><p>At <a href="/wiki/Majdal_Shams" title="Majdal Shams">Majdal Shams</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majdal_Shams&diff=1237121273&oldid=1237121072">First of two edits (inconsequential second edit a minute after that) to the article, nothing on talk page</a>, arrives 2 minutes after האופה (aka HaOfa) edit and changes the SD from Town in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights -> Druze town in the northern Golan Heights, an obvious POV edit. </p><p>At <a href="/wiki/Masada_myth" title="Masada myth">Masada myth</a>, shows up at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Masada_myth" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Masada myth">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Masada myth</a> same day as nominated by HaOfa, no prior article edits or at talk page. Agrees with HaOfa. </p><p>Same pattern at <a href="/wiki/Israeli_allegations_against_UNRWA" class="mw-redirect" title="Israeli allegations against UNRWA">Israeli allegations against UNRWA</a>, no prior involvement and then consecutive reverts, HaOfa then PeleYoetz. </p><p>It is doubtful that this pattern is coincidental. PeleYoetz role appears to be as back up for HaOfa, to support their actions. </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Sean.hoyland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-20240818122500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-20240818122500"></span>Statement by Sean.hoyland<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz-20240818122500"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20240818122500-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"></span>I wish PeleYoetz had decided to say nothing rather than write about being targeted, having strange questions and being unwelcome. 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<td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>170 </td> <td>10799265 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>Yemin_Moshe </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>171 </td> <td>620241 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>Yitzhak_Ben-Zvi </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>172 </td> <td>2330411 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>Ynhockey </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>173 </td> <td>5334377 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>Zhug </td> <td>0 </td></tr> <tr> <td>174 </td> <td>34484 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>Zionism </td> <td>0 </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Sean.hoyland-20240818122500-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20240818122500-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20240818122500-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)-Discussion_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_PeleYoetz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240812180400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240812180400"></span>Result concerning PeleYoetz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz-PeleYoetz-20240812180400"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanamonde93-20240812180400-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>I don't see what action I could reasonably take here. The ideal approach to a content dispute is for all parties to engage substantively on the talk page until it's sorted, via RfC and outside input if needed. Across the ARBPIA conflict, editors don't do this; instead are slow-moving multi-party edit-wars, and considerable stonewalling on talk pages. When this behavior becomes egregious I'm open to sanctioning anyone and everyone involved, but I don't see anything here rising to that level. A <i>lot</i> of users could stand to engage better on the talk page(s). <a href="/wiki/User:Vanamonde93" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Vanamonde93-20240812180400-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanamonde93-20240812180400-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanamonde93-20240812180400-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanamonde93-20240812193700-Vanamonde93-20240812180400"></span>I'd be interested to hear from PeleYoetz in light of the most recent diffs. As I've said elsewhere, agreement between parties heavily invested in the topic is to be expected; a similar pattern from editors not substantively engaged implies off-wiki coordination. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanamonde93" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Vanamonde93-20240812193700-Vanamonde93-20240812180400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanamonde93-20240812193700-Vanamonde93-20240812180400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanamonde93-20240812193700-Vanamonde93-20240812180400"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span>I'm generally addressing this at <a href="#האופה">#האופה</a> since it's basically the same report, but these types of patterns are wildly easy to find looking at anyone who is involved in the topic area. In less than ten minutes I found more damning "evidence" for two other editors active in the topic. As I said there, if we're going to sanction based on these patterns it would have to be evenly enforced and boy howdy it would be a mess. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100-Result_concerning_PeleYoetz"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240813182000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100"></span>I think tag-team edit-warring is disruptive. If regulars aren't willing to not be disruptive, then yeah, they've kind of forced our hand. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a> • she/her) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Theleekycauldron-20240813182000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240813182000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theleekycauldron-20240813182000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100"></span>Close with no action, hopefully addressed at Arbcom? <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813121100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240819181200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000"></span>Are you suggesting no action is the appropriate outcome or are you suggesting that refer to arbcom is the right outcome but since we're already there nothing more needs to be done? <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240819181200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240819181200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240819181200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182300-Barkeep49-20240819181200"></span>The latter. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182300-Barkeep49-20240819181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182300-Barkeep49-20240819181200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182300-Barkeep49-20240819181200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"></span>Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Lima Bean Farmer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830151300-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256395271"> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a>'s topic ban on post-1992 American politics is successfully appealed, with a note that there will be little patience for any resumption of disruption. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830151300-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830151300-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830151300-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">here</a>. According to the procedures, a "clear and substantial consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.</i></small> </p><p><small><i>To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections<span class="nowrap"> </span>but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNINVOLVED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNINVOLVED">WP:UNINVOLVED</a>).</i></small> </p> <dl><dt>Appealing user</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User talk:Lima Bean Farmer">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="Special:Contributions/Lima Bean Farmer">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Lima Bean Farmer">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="Special:Log/Lima Bean Farmer">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Lima+Bean+Farmer">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="Special:Block/Lima Bean Farmer">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ALima+Bean+Farmer">block log</a>)</span> – <a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User talk:Lima Bean Farmer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction being appealed</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2020#c-Dreamy_Jazz-2020-12-19T12:38:00.000Z-American_politics_2" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2020">Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2020 § c-Dreamy Jazz-2020-12-19T12:38:00.000Z-American politics 2</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Administrator imposing the sanction</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User:Dreamy Jazz">Dreamy Jazz</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User talk:Dreamy Jazz">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Contributions/Dreamy Jazz">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Log/block/Dreamy Jazz">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Log/protect/Dreamy Jazz">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Log/delete/Dreamy Jazz">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Log/move/Dreamy Jazz">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Log/rights/Dreamy Jazz">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dreamy Jazz">RfA</a>)</span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Notification of that administrator</dt> <dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dreamy_Jazz&diff=prev&oldid=1240038507">[8]</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"></span>Statement by Lima Bean Farmer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>I am looking to appeal a topic ban on post-1992 American politics. These case would be more open and shut if there weren’t a more recent edit to this ban. The original ban was over 3 years ago for post-1932 American politics but was changed to post-1992 American politics over a year ago. I would like to edit in this section a bit more freely, and I have not faced any sanctions or other administrative action since then. I have made large structural edits to pages such as <a href="/wiki/List_of_productions_impacted_by_the_2023_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike" title="List of productions impacted by the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike">List of productions impacted by the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike</a> and <a href="/wiki/List_of_convicted_war_criminals" title="List of convicted war criminals">List of convicted war criminals</a>, demonstrating my ability to work with other editors to come to consensus while also using reliable sources when and where appropriate. In summary, since my last appeal, I have demonstrated more frequent Wikipedia editing that follows guidelines, helps productive editing, and understanding consensus for the past year. Having knowledge in the topic of post-1992 politics, having this topic ban lifted would allow me greater freedom for productive editing. Thank you for your decision in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User talk:Lima Bean Farmer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000-Statement_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"></span>I am not sure if it is appropriate to reply here, but I would like to address that the reason I was indefinitely blocked was for socking. I do acknowledge that using an alternative account most times, but especially to evade a ban or block is wrong. I can assure it won’t happen again and I can assure that it hasn’t happened in the past 3+ years. Please let me know if this addresses your concern. Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User talk:Lima Bean Farmer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240813045000"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000"></span>I believe I already spoke on the part of editing (please let me know if you’d like me to further clarify), but the indefinite ban was due to socking. I will avoid this issue by never editing with another account, especially to evade or bypass a block or ban. I can assure that I haven’t done this in the past 3+ years since the ban and can assure you that I won’t do it again in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User talk:Lima Bean Farmer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240818130000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240820204200-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600"></span>ScottishFinnishRadish</a>, I had to go back and check but it was a 3 month ban for “disruptive editing”. I believe this was due to a high volume of editing in this topics at that time and my edits/experience not being up to par. A mix of things caused this I believe, including edit warring/not using talk pages appropriately, not using edit summaries regularly, and adding unsourced content. All of these are things I have demonstrated at least some level of proficiency in over the past 3 years (although I am most definitely still learning a lot here) and have shown a commitment to becoming a better more productive editor. Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer">Lima Bean Farmer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User talk:Lima Bean Farmer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240820204200-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240820204200-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240820204200-Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240819195600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240816063500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240816063500"></span>Statement by Dreamy Jazz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240816063500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz"></span>Based on a quick look from their contributions and what others have said at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCA">WP:ARCA</a>, it seems that Lima Bean Farmer has been editing constructively elsewhere. </p><p>However, the text of this appeal does not directly address the reasons why the indefinite topic ban was placed. I would, personally, like to see some acknowledgement of what led up to the topic ban and a commitment to not repeat the mistakes of the past. </p><p>For example, in their last appeal they said <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">please don’t hold a grudge</q> when asked about a comment they made while appealing their block. I would like to be sure that Lima Bean Farmer understands that we need to see that they have changed, and therefore we are not holding a grudge but instead want to be sure that the topic ban is no longer necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User:Dreamy Jazz">Dreamy <i style="color:#d00"><b>Jazz</b></i></a> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User talk:Dreamy Jazz">talk to me</a></i> | <i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Contributions/Dreamy Jazz">my contributions</a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500-Statement_by_Dreamy_Jazz"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063600-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500"></span>As to socking, I have not run a check. <a href="/wiki/User:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User:Dreamy Jazz">Dreamy <i style="color:#d00"><b>Jazz</b></i></a> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User talk:Dreamy Jazz">talk to me</a></i> | <i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dreamy_Jazz" title="Special:Contributions/Dreamy Jazz">my contributions</a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063600-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063600-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063600-Dreamy_Jazz-20240816063500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span id="Statement_by_.28involved_editor_1.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>Statement by (involved editor 1)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span id="Statement_by_.28involved_editor_2.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>Statement by (involved editor 2)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Lima Bean Farmer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. <br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span id="Statement_by_.28uninvolved_editor_1.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_1)-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span id="Statement_by_.28uninvolved_editor_2.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(uninvolved_editor_2)-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240815122200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240815122200"></span>Result of the appeal by Lima Bean Farmer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer-20240815122200"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>I'm generally amenable to appeals made after a few years, but I'm interested in <a href="/wiki/User:Dreamy_Jazz" title="User:Dreamy Jazz">Dreamy Jazz</a>'s thoughts, as well as if there has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lima_Bean_Farmer/Archive" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lima Bean Farmer/Archive">any further socking</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lima_Bean_Farmer" title="User:Lima Bean Farmer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"></span>Lima Bean Farmer</a>, can you please explain why the indefinite topic ban was placed and how you will avoid the same issues in the future? <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819182500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819222900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"></span>And what were the issues that led to the original topic ban? <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819222900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819222900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819222900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"></span>Anyone else? <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815122200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800"></span>Unless anyone else objects, I'll be closing this as a successful appeal with a note that there will be little patience for any further disruption. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240830150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400"></span>I support this outcome. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240830150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240830150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240830150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830145400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnuniq-20240827035700-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span>I would be more enthusiastic in supporting the appeal if we weren't approaching the peak US political period. However, to move this forward I will support the appeal while noting that there won't be much patience in the area of post-1992 American politics for the foreseeable future. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnuniq" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Johnuniq-20240827035700-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnuniq-20240827035700-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnuniq-20240827035700-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Lima_Bean_Farmer"></span></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lemabeta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lemabeta-20240816103500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lemabeta-20240816103500"></span>Lemabeta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lemabeta-20240816103500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20240822153400-Lemabeta"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256395271"> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a> is indefinitely topic-banned from the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Rosguill-20240822153400-Lemabeta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20240822153400-Lemabeta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20240822153400-Lemabeta"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br/>Requests may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Request_concerning_Lemabeta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240816103500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240816103500"></span>Request concerning Lemabeta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240816103500"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240816103500-Request_concerning_Lemabeta"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Vanezi_Astghik" title="User:Vanezi Astghik">Vanezi Astghik</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanezi_Astghik" title="User talk:Vanezi Astghik">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vanezi_Astghik" title="Special:Contributions/Vanezi Astghik">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Vanezi_Astghik" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Vanezi Astghik">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Vanezi_Astghik" title="Special:Log/Vanezi Astghik">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Vanezi+Astghik">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Vanezi_Astghik" title="Special:Block/Vanezi Astghik">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AVanezi+Astghik">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240816103500-Request_concerning_Lemabeta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240816103500-Request_concerning_Lemabeta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240816103500-Request_concerning_Lemabeta"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240819030400-Request_concerning_Lemabeta"></span>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemabeta" title="User talk:Lemabeta">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lemabeta" title="Special:Contributions/Lemabeta">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Lemabeta" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Lemabeta">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Lemabeta" title="Special:Log/Lemabeta">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Lemabeta">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Lemabeta" title="Special:Block/Lemabeta">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ALemabeta">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lemabeta&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3ALemabeta">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan_3" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tumanishvili&diff=prev&oldid=1240418080">15 August 2024</a>: Reverts to their <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tumanishvili&diff=1232766812&oldid=1208375919">original</a> POV <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. The problem with these are: “Armeno-Georgian” or Mamikonian roots is supported by the sources in the article (including 3 in the lede), yet the user removes the “Armeno” part and adds doubt to Mamkionian roots for no reason (second time now), engaging in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TE">WP:TE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1228310943">10 June 2024</a>: Removes content based on “outdated” source Brosset, 1849. FYI, it's the same source that's used for Georgian origins <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adarnase_of_Hereti#Family_origins">[9]</a>; apparently it's outdated for one thing, but can stay for another.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1228312251">10 June 2024</a>: Adds “cn” templates to existing sources and adds unexplained doubt.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1240421898">15 August 2024</a>: Removes material that's in the body; this after being specifically <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAdarnase_of_Hereti&diff=1240261349&oldid=1228311319">called out</a> for selective POV-pushing in the previous edits and shown an additional modern <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> in the same comment (which was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1240258186">added</a> to the article), RS that literally supported the info they removed.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zakarid_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=1236348673">24 July 2024</a>: Another <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TE">WP:TE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> push by changing sourced material under the guise of “WP:NEUTRALITY violation”. If you read the book's page, it literally says; “<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=0MLXEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA23&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false"><i>These three men, Davit Soslan, Zakare and Ivane Mkhargrdzeli restored the kingdom to a position of conquest</i></a>”.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chechil&diff=prev&oldid=1240102982">13 August 2024</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">undue</a> Georgian <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TE">POV</a> with an “Agritourism guide” book despite the lede already having 2 sources, including a far better book from Oxford University that specializes in cheeses and states (including with a quote already in the ref); “<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=fRnGDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA475"><i>Twisted string cheese, chechil panir, husats, or tel cheese are Armenian pasta filata cheeses,…</i></a>”.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chechil&diff=prev&oldid=1240444518">15 August 2024</a>: Reverts to their undue POV now with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a> Georgian government source; this comes after they were <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chechil&diff=prev&oldid=1240251181">shown</a> the quote from the better secondary source that’s in the lede already which doesn’t support their POV.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melikov&diff=prev&oldid=1231633074">29 June 2024</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> removes any mention of Armenian from 1st paragraph and adds unexplained doubt, with OR opinionated summary “<i>Armenocentric article</i>”.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyril_Toumanoff&diff=prev&oldid=1232766459">5 July</a>: Removes any mention of Armenian and adds <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> doubt, no explanation.</li></ol> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lemabeta&diff=prev&oldid=1212550100">March 8, 2024</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>Lemabeta has been pushing heavy Georgian <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TE">POV</a> in Armenia-Georgia articles, while downplaying Armenia/Armenians, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> changes of sourced material / adding WP:OR doubt to sources, disregard of sources, or removal of sourced material. I think it’s time AE reviews Lemabeta’s behavior; I’ve tried to talk with them but to no avail, usually they revert and restore their original problematic edits, or push new POV. </p> <dl><dd>Makes personal attacks during AE; <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Matzoon&diff=prev&oldid=1240637993">"<i>If you could read, you would see that...</i>"</a>. <dl><dd>Adds more unexplained <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> doubt <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1240671490">[10]</a> to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> during AE. <dl><dd>Response to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&diff=1240937290&oldid=1240934646">[11]</a>: I don't think saying the user seemed eager to be blocked was a threat as the user was edit-warring <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chechil&diff=prev&oldid=1240805900">[12]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chechil&diff=prev&oldid=1240811054">[13]</a> <i>during</i> AE despite not having consensus for changing stable version or adding weaker sources that were directly <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChechil&diff=1240777930&oldid=1240775559">challenged</a> on talk, thus violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a>. <dl><dd>I believe <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&diff=1240960483&oldid=1240959653">this</a> comment is content related which is intended for talk pages. <dl><dd>Lemabeta claims <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=1240983470">"<i>I simply didn't look at the sources of other sentences...</i>"</a>, but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=next&oldid=1228311792">they literally put</a> "cn" tags on everything in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adarnase_of_Hereti#Family_origins">this</a> section (even when mostly sourced) <i>excluding</i> the Georgian origins paragraph which had <i>the most outdated</i> source; funny how the only paragraph they "didn't look" suits their POV. And even after, when I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1240258186">added</a> better (modern/expert) source and told them about it <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAdarnase_of_Hereti&diff=1240261349&oldid=1228311319">[14]</a>, they still removed content sourced by it <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1240421898">[15]</a> and then put doubt on it <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1240671490">[16]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanezi_Astghik" title="User:Vanezi Astghik">Vanezi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanezi_Astghik" title="User talk:Vanezi Astghik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240819030400-Request_concerning_Lemabeta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240819030400-Request_concerning_Lemabeta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanezi_Astghik-20240819030400-Request_concerning_Lemabeta"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lemabeta&diff=prev&oldid=1240613902">[17]</a> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240816151000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240816151000"></span>Discussion concerning Lemabeta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240816151000"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Lemabeta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Lemabeta-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-20240816151000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Lemabeta-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-20240816151000"></span>Statement by Lemabeta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Lemabeta-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-20240816151000"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemabeta-20240816151000-Statement_by_Lemabeta"></span>1)Cyril Toumanoff work is cited in the source, while Cyril himself never says that the Tumanishvili house was an Armenian house, but rather he says that the origins of Tumanishvili house go back to Mamikonians who Cyril considers to have originated in Georgia specifically in <a href="/wiki/Lazistan" title="Lazistan">Zaneti</a> region, he in his work mentions that the root of the last name Mamikonian - Mamik comes from the Georgian language theory which is also accepted by the famous Armenian historian - <a href="/wiki/Nicholas_Adontz" title="Nicholas Adontz">Nicholas Adontz</a>, they both connected the roots of Mamikonians and therefore roots of Tumanishvili to Georgian - <a href="/wiki/Laz_people" title="Laz people">Lazs</a> .<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Which was deleted by the individual reporting me. </p><p>2-3-4)The Pro-Armenian POV pushing is visible from the 2nd reference link he inserted---> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&diff=prev&oldid=1228310943">[18]</a> as you can see the he wrote that the <i>"The Albano-Armenian theory is mostly accepted today, Adarnase being the first independent sovereign of Hereti, which was most likely an Armenian territory beforehand and followed the <a href="/wiki/Monophysitism" title="Monophysitism">Monophysitism</a> of Albanians and Armenians instead of the <a href="/wiki/Orthodoxy" title="Orthodoxy">Christian Orthodoxy</a> of the Bagrationis"</i> meanwhile adding a source of Brosset, Marie-Félicité who lived in 19th century, by what standards is this considered as a "modern historians" - plural. Moreover, theory of Brosset is denounced today as he wasn't aware of the medieval works of historians attributing Adarnase of Hereti to Chosroid dynasty of Caucasus, which i inserted in the newer changes, which was completely deleted by the individual reporting me.therefore theory that isn't accepted by most, shouldn't be in the leading. </p><p>While <a href="/wiki/Ingiloy_people" title="Ingiloy people">Heretian</a> Georgians are still presentHeretians or Ingiloys descendants of a legendary Heros, he keeps changing the Kingdom of Hereti ethnic affiliation to "South Caucasian" to a broader term than Georgian is. Meanwhile in modern historiography Kingdom of Hereti is considered as a Georgian monarchy 5) reference which he inserted <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zakarid_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=1236348673">[19]</a> --- Since when is NPOV wording of a sentence considered as Armenophobia? But he wants to make it look like Armenian and Alan were the only reason of success of Kingdom of Georgia. </p><p>6)-7) Now let's talk about the deletion of sourced material by the individual reporting me. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chechil&diff=prev&oldid=1240612128">[20]</a> Whole sourced etymology section was removed, because it didn't fit the pro-Armenian narrative he's pushing. Moreover, on Chechili geographical indication is registered in Georgia, protecting the origins of Chechili, which i wrote according to the articles such as <a href="/wiki/Champagne" title="Champagne">Champagne</a>. Chechili origins and GI are protected in more than 30 countries. </p><p>8)Melikishvili-Melikov was never known as-Melikyan.Melikov was a russified form of Melikishvili after it was written by <a href="/wiki/Heraclius_II_of_Georgia" title="Heraclius II of Georgia">Heraclius II</a> as part of Georgian nobility in <a href="/wiki/Treaty_of_Georgievsk" title="Treaty of Georgievsk">treaty of Georgievsk</a><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p><p>9)<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">Wikipedia:No personal attacks</a> violation by him <i>"So you have <b>nothing else to do</b> but to edit war again after posting a ridiculous <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> <b>rant</b> on a clear <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SCHOLARSHIP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SCHOLARSHIP">scholar</a>"</i><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChechil&diff=1240812361&oldid=1240811290">[21]</a> also violations are seen here by using offensive language<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChechil&diff=1240808221&oldid=1240806015">[22]</a> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>"if you could read" isn't an insult. It's same as "If you may" or to politely ask someone. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemabeta" title="User talk:Lemabeta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lemabeta-20240816151000-Statement_by_Lemabeta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemabeta-20240816151000-Statement_by_Lemabeta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemabeta-20240816151000-Statement_by_Lemabeta"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemabeta-20240816151300-Lemabeta-20240816151000"></span>Lemabeta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemabeta" title="User talk:Lemabeta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lemabeta-20240816151300-Lemabeta-20240816151000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemabeta-20240816151300-Lemabeta-20240816151000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemabeta-20240816151300-Lemabeta-20240816151000"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChechil&diff=1240808221&oldid=1240806015"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemabeta-20240818105500-Lemabeta-20240816151300"></span>[23]</a> also the threatening to get me blocked "Seems like you're just eager to get blocked ot topic-banned" <a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemabeta" title="User talk:Lemabeta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lemabeta-20240818105500-Lemabeta-20240816151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemabeta-20240818105500-Lemabeta-20240816151300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemabeta-20240818105500-Lemabeta-20240816151300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><dl><dd><dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemabeta-20240818170800-Lemabeta-20240816151300"></span>In reply to Rosguill's initial comment</small> I simply didn't look at the sources of other sentences due to the busy schedule involving my masters degree exams. Now that i am aware of the poorly written article, i will take my part in and contribute to the richening of Adarnase Sumbatashvili page, especially because i am a direct descendant of his paternal line. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemabeta" title="User talk:Lemabeta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lemabeta-20240818170800-Lemabeta-20240816151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemabeta-20240818170800-Lemabeta-20240816151300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemabeta-20240818170800-Lemabeta-20240816151300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><dl><dd><dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemabeta-20240819075800-Statement_by_Lemabeta"></span>In reply to Rosguill's comment</small> So it's better to have an unargumentative and a provocational claim stated as an absolute fact in an article than to delete it? It should have been discussed in a talk page if there was something wrong with my edit instead of accusing me and reporting me of anything firstly.</dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <p>Moreover, in the talk page [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAdarnase_of_Hereti&diff=1240612210&oldid=1240261349">[24]</a>] he had a problem over Kingdom of Hereti being refered to as a Georgian kingdom, thats where the problem lies, thats why he was writing King as "South Caucasian" and Kingdom as "South Caucasian" kingdom. If you want to topic ban me, do it. But my honor in front of god is clean and you can not change that--<a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemabeta" title="User talk:Lemabeta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Lemabeta-20240819075800-Statement_by_Lemabeta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemabeta-20240819075800-Statement_by_Lemabeta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemabeta-20240819075800-Statement_by_Lemabeta"></span> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Армения в эпоху Юстиниана: Политическое состояние на основе Нахарского строя, СПб., 1908, cт. 402-404 (Nicholas Adontz, Armenia in the Period of Justinian: The political Conditions Based on the Naxarar System. Trans. into Eng. with expanded notes, bibliography, and appendices by Nina G. Garsoian, Lisbon, 1970)</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-4">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">(Toumanoff 1963, p. 211, n. 23.).</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-5">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><span class="languageicon">(in Russian)</span> Stanislav Vladimirovich Dumin. Pyotr Grebelsky. <i>The Noble Houses of the Russian Empire</i>. <a href="/wiki/Moscow" title="Moscow">Moscow</a>, Russia: 1994. Думин С. В., Гребельский П. Х. Дворянские роды Российской Империи. — Москва, 1994</span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Spinney_Hill" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-20240818142900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-20240818142900"></span>Statement by Spinney Hill<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta-20240818142900"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spinney_Hill-20240818142900-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill"></span>It is possible that this cheese is traditionally made in both Armenia and Georgia or that each country claims to be the origin. Something similar may be the case with <a href="/wiki/Gruy%C3%A8re_cheese" title="Gruyère cheese">Gruyere</a>, which is certainly made in Switzerland and France although this is not quite reflected in the wp article on that cheese. See the following source Larousse gastronomique p534 English edition published by Hamlyn (London) 1988 translated from the 1984 French edition.ISBN 0 600 32390 0 More on this source later. .I do not have the sources OUP or the Tbilisi equivalent relied on by the two editors so I cannot comment. I have not seen any other articles on Armenian or Georgian subjects they may have clashed on. The online sources are inconclusive. At an early stage in the argument I put in a piece based on a British Government source showing that Britain recognised a kind of chechill was made in Georgia. I also found a general source which showed it was "a European and Central Asian cheese" suggesting it was made anywhere and everywhere from the west of Ireland an Portugal to Mongolia. I put a sentence in mentioning this but I am considering withdrawing this as it does not seem accurate. I am a cheese lover but I have never seen or tasted it in UK where I live nor any of the other western or central European countries I have been to (even Greece) The only other sources my Google search revealed were cheese selling sites which revealed the cheese was also made in US, Turkey (I think), Bulgaria.and South Africa! I have searched my copy of Larousse gastronomique-see above. The article on cheese does not mention chechil, nor does it mention Georgia or Armenia. Chechill does not have its own article as do many cheeses such as Gruyere, Stilton and Gorgonzola, nor do Armenia or Georgia. I also searched Russia as this is a 1984 book and both countries were part of the USSR . Here it says Georgia was home to a hard cheese called tuchouri.. No cheese is mentioned for Armenia. The only other "Russian" cheese mentioned is Sovietski which has its own article and which presumably is either no longer made or has been renamed.. I think both parties have shown intemperate, but both have made some valid points and surely a compromise article should be arrived at showing that the cheese is made in both countries. I am not sure if an origin can be stated with accuracy. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinney_Hill" title="User:Spinney Hill">Spinney Hill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinney_Hill" title="User talk:Spinney Hill">talk</a>) 14:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC) I think Tbillisi University is quite capable of having an independent unbiased publishing arm. It is no longer part of the USSR or even Russia.<a href="/wiki/User:Spinney_Hill" title="User:Spinney Hill">Spinney Hill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinney_Hill" title="User talk:Spinney Hill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Spinney_Hill-20240818142900-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spinney_Hill-20240818142900-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spinney_Hill-20240818142900-Statement_by_Spinney_Hill"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_2-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_2-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_2-Discussion_concerning_Lemabeta"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Lemabeta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240817030600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240817030600"></span>Result concerning Lemabeta<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Lemabeta-Lemabeta-20240817030600"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600-Result_concerning_Lemabeta"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Vanezi_Astghik" title="User:Vanezi Astghik">Vanezi Astghik</a>, you're at about 670 words. Please trim to 500, and consider whether you'd like to save some words for future replies. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta">Lemabeta</a>, you're right at the limit; do not respond further. Both of you can request an extension, but I wouldn't recommend it at this time. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600-Result_concerning_Lemabeta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600-Result_concerning_Lemabeta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600-Result_concerning_Lemabeta"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20240818160600-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600"></span>While at first blush I was tempted to say that this was just a content dispute and should be resolved via RfC, I am concerned by Lemabeta's responses. With regard to point 2 in particular, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adarnase_of_Hereti&oldid=1225384774">this is the state of the article as of when Lemabeta began to edit it</a>. While it's valid to contest the validity of a 19th century source, it is glaring that this source already comprises 2/3 of the citations in the article, including, as noted in the initial report, the specific claims of Bagratoni/Georgian heritage. It's hard to assume good faith of the objections to the sourcing of other claims to these same sources. I'm also dissatisfied with Lemabeta's response listed as "6-7", as, irrespective of the merits of the underlying edits, in this context Lemabeta's addition of content could be taken as the continuation of an edit war for a matter actively, so accusing Vanezi of <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">deletion of sourced material</q> seems a bit off base--at this juncture, adding the material was not appropriate: it should have been discussed, and potentially resolved via RfC if a consensus could not be reached between the two of you and other editors watching the article. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Rosguill-20240818160600-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20240818160600-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20240818160600-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Lemabeta" title="User:Lemabeta"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20240818221400-Rosguill-20240818160600"></span>Lemabeta</a>, at AE replies are not threaded (except occasionally between admins); new comments should be placed in your own section (I have moved the substantive portion of yours already as a courtesy). You're also a bit over your word limit--rather than request that you retract or rephrase, I'm just going to issue <a href="/wiki/User:Vanezi_Astghik" title="User:Vanezi Astghik">Vanezi Astghik</a> a commensurable 50-word extension so that you're both allowed the same amount. Please do not reply further in this case unless addressed directly for comment <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Rosguill-20240818221400-Rosguill-20240818160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20240818221400-Rosguill-20240818160600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20240818221400-Rosguill-20240818160600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20240818224000-Rosguill-20240818221400"></span>Having now actually reviewed the content of Lemabeta's response, I don't find this explanation persuasive at all given the length of the article at the time and the position of the content edited vs other content that had previously been the crux of the dispute. And even if it were persuasive, it would still be a violation of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP</a> instruction to edit <i>carefully</i>--if you're so rushed that you overlook such an obvious issue with your edit, you shouldn't be editing this topic. I'd appreciate other admins' input, but am currently leaning toward a topic ban on history of the Caucasus, including the history of its cultural heritage, broadly construed. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Rosguill-20240818224000-Rosguill-20240818221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20240818224000-Rosguill-20240818221400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20240818224000-Rosguill-20240818221400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819183200-Rosguill-20240818224000"></span>I agree, although possibly only an article-space topic ban, leaving them an allowance to engage on talk pages, as there is no evidence of talk page disruption given. That said, bespoke sanctions of that sort seldom work, and create more work for the others in the topic area, so I'm also fine with the standard topic ban. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819183200-Rosguill-20240818224000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819183200-Rosguill-20240818224000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819183200-Rosguill-20240818224000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600"></span>Just based on the diffs coming since the awareness notice, I'm seeing actionable POV-pushing. The legalese OR at places like <a href="/wiki/Talk:Chechil#Georgian_origins_of_the_cheese" title="Talk:Chechil">Talk:Chechil#Georgian origins of the cheese</a> is disruptive enough that I'd favor a standard topic ban, though I'm happy to see it kept as narrow as Rosguill's suggestion. It is reflective of the problem that Lemabeta has worsened their word limit violation despite the direct instructions from myself and Rosguill. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300-Firefangledfeathers-20240817030600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20240821125700-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a>, I’m not sure we’re interpreting my proposal the same way. My thinking was that the scope needs to be “Caucasus”, rather than Georgia or Armenia, because the pattern of editing suggests to me that if banned from those topics, they would likely continue similar disruption by editing to remove the claims of other neighboring culture groups that compete with Georgia’s. I included the extra clause about “history of its cultural heritage” as I anticipate that without such a stipulation we’ll see a breaching attempt at an article like <a href="/wiki/Chechil" title="Chechil">Chechil</a> with the argument that it’s “not history”. While of course such a move could be sanctioned (although in my experience more likely than not it would result in just a final stern warning), getting ahead of it now would save us some wikilawyering. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Rosguill-20240821125700-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20240821125700-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20240821125700-Firefangledfeathers-20240819231300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800-Rosguill-20240821125700"></span>That's how I interpreted it. I'd prefer that over an article-only ban. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800-Rosguill-20240821125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800-Rosguill-20240821125700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800-Rosguill-20240821125700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800"></span>ScottishFinnishRadish</a>, is this option amenable to you, at least as a second choice? <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800-Firefangledfeathers-20240821134800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240822125300-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800"></span>Yeah, I'm fine with that. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240822125300-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240822125300-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240822125300-Firefangledfeathers-20240822122800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bajaria_-_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212000"></span>Bajaria - 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181400-Bajaria_-_2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256395271"> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header">Blocked by me for one week for ECR violations. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181400-Bajaria_-_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181400-Bajaria_-_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819181400-Bajaria_-_2"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br/>Requests may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Second_request_concerning_Bajaria" data-mw-thread-id="h-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212000"></span>Second request concerning Bajaria<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212000"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:The_Kip" title="User:The Kip">The Kip</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Kip" title="User talk:The Kip">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Kip" title="Special:Contributions/The Kip">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/The_Kip" title="Special:DeletedContributions/The Kip">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/The_Kip" title="Special:Log/The Kip">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=The+Kip">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/The_Kip" title="Special:Block/The Kip">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AThe+Kip">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-1"></span>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bajaria&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bajaria (page does not exist)">Bajaria</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bajaria" title="User talk:Bajaria">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bajaria" title="Special:Contributions/Bajaria">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Bajaria" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Bajaria">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Bajaria" title="Special:Log/Bajaria">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Bajaria">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Bajaria" title="Special:Block/Bajaria">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ABajaria">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bajaria&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3ABajaria">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd>ARBPIA ECR, again</dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>See the case still on this page above, but <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Bajaria">linked here for convenience</a>. They received a two-day block after multiple warnings, and it subsequently took them three days to go right back to editing in the area: </p> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2024_August_16&diff=prev&oldid=1240662149">16:36 16 August</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2024_August_16&diff=prev&oldid=1240665546">16:57 16 August</a></li></ol> <dl><dt>Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABajaria&diff=1239738054&oldid=1239718308">Blocked 48 hours on 11 August</a> by <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">Theleekycauldron</a>:</span> for ARBPIA ECR violations, covered in the aforementioned/above case.</li></ol> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>Copied from above: </p> <ul><li>Initial CTOP notice given <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABajaria&diff=1238509924&oldid=1238010383">07:47 on 4 August</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:Welcome-arbpia" title="Template:Welcome-arbpia">Template:Welcome-arbpia</a> given <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABajaria&diff=1239590588&oldid=1239042995">07:55 on 10 August</a>.</li></ul> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>As mentioned in the first case, Bajaria was given the CTOP notice on 4 August, given the ARBPIA welcome template and an additional warning by myself on 10 August, was aware and responded to the case above, and was blocked for the ECR violations. That they went right back to them, and that they were overly confrontational/didn't seem to acknowledge the repeated warnings that they aren't allowed to be editing in the ARBPIA area at the initial report, makes me wonder if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIR">CIR</a> may come into play. Again, this really is a shame, because from their contribs it seems they could be legitimately productive if they properly worked towards <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:XC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:XC">XC</a> status - they just don't seem to get that ECR is a hard-line rule. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Kip" title="User:The Kip"><span style="color:#333f42;"><b>The</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Kip" title="User talk:The Kip"><span style="color:#b4975a;"><b>Kip</b></span></a> <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Kip" title="Special:Contributions/The Kip">contribs</a>)</sup></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Kip-20240816212000-Second_request_concerning_Bajaria-1"></span> </p> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABajaria&diff=1240700875&oldid=1240610539">Notified at time of report</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Bajaria" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2"></span>Discussion concerning Bajaria<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Bajaria" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Bajaria-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Bajaria-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"></span>Statement by Bajaria<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Bajaria-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_3-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_3-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_3-Discussion_concerning_Bajaria"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Bajaria" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212800"></span>Result concerning Bajaria<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Bajaria-Bajaria_-_2-20240816212800"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240816212800-Result_concerning_Bajaria"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>Blocked a week. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240816212800-Result_concerning_Bajaria" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240816212800-Result_concerning_Bajaria"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240816212800-Result_concerning_Bajaria"></span></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Peckedagain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Peckedagain-20240817222100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Peckedagain-20240817222100"></span>Peckedagain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Peckedagain-20240817222100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240821173900-Peckedagain"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256395271"> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Peckedagain" title="User:Peckedagain">Peckedagain</a> is indefinitely topic banned from gender-related disputes or controversies or people associated with them, broadly construed. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240821173900-Peckedagain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240821173900-Peckedagain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240821173900-Peckedagain"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br/>Requests may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Request_concerning_Peckedagain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240817222100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240817222100"></span>Request concerning Peckedagain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240817222100"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20240817222100-Request_concerning_Peckedagain"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Raladic" title="Special:Contributions/Raladic">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Raladic" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Raladic">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Raladic" title="Special:Log/Raladic">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Raladic">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Raladic" title="Special:Block/Raladic">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ARaladic">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Raladic-20240817222100-Request_concerning_Peckedagain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20240817222100-Request_concerning_Peckedagain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20240817222100-Request_concerning_Peckedagain"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Peckedagain" title="User:Peckedagain">Peckedagain</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peckedagain" title="User talk:Peckedagain">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peckedagain" title="Special:Contributions/Peckedagain">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Peckedagain" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Peckedagain">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Peckedagain" title="Special:Log/Peckedagain">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Peckedagain">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Peckedagain" title="Special:Block/Peckedagain">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3APeckedagain">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Peckedagain&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3APeckedagain">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_and_sexuality" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cass_Review&diff=prev&oldid=1240065588">09:34, 13 August 2024</a> Edit-warring with continuous POV pushing as warned by <a href="/wiki/User:Licks-rocks" title="User:Licks-rocks">User:Licks-rocks</a> on their talk page</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1240620693">11:45, 16 August 2024</a> More POV pushing and completely changing the prose of the lead making it appear as if it is contentious beyond just the UK. Reverted by <a href="/wiki/User:Crossroads" title="User:Crossroads">User:Crossroads</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1240703531">[25]</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1240785419">12:20, 17 August 2024</a> and then they just reverted it again, placing their POV there</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cass_Review&diff=prev&oldid=1240814122">16:01, 17 August 2024</a> more edit-warring of previously <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cass_Review&diff=prev&oldid=1240750074">reverted</a> content by <a href="/wiki/User:Snokalok" title="User:Snokalok">User:Snokalok</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1240074244#">11:13, 13 August 2024</a> insertion of the very same editorialized edits they were warring over on the other article above, again POV pushing</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Puberty_blocker&diff=1240795114&oldid=1240732137">13:32, 17 August 2024</a> Deletion of large swaths of well supported RS</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender_health_care&diff=prev&oldid=1240855611">21:04, 17 August 2024</a> Adding undue content trying to whitewash <a href="/wiki/Conversion_therapy#Gender_exploratory_therapy" title="Conversion therapy">Conversion therapy#Gender exploratory therapy</a>, violating NPOV, UNDUE</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cass_Review&diff=1240862846&oldid=1240773208">21:57, 17 August 2024‎</a> Again, reversion against consensus of adding coatrack NPOV of prior undo from another user, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cass_Review&diff=prev&oldid=1240877252">reverted</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Flounder_fillet" title="User:Flounder fillet">User:Flounder fillet</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conversion_therapy&diff=prev&oldid=1240883231">00:47, 18 August 2024</a> And now pushing their POV on another article without discussion, after having been <a href="/wiki/Talk:Transgender_health_care#Reversion_of_section:_'Gender_exploratory_care'" title="Talk:Transgender health care">warned about it on the other article's talk page</a> and having responded to the AE here.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cass_Review&diff=prev&oldid=1241191578">21:00, 19 August 2024</a> - The user has now started <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVASS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVASS">WP:CANVASSing</a> people who may share their views to this AE discussion</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=1241207573">23:15, 19 August 2024</a> NPA accusation <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ASPERSION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ASPERSION">without the receipts</a>, the lead of <a href="/wiki/Cass_Review" title="Cass Review">Cass Review</a> clearly supports <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Puberty_blocker#c-Raladic-20240818012000-Peckedagain-20240818011100">the statement</a> that it was commissioned for policies of the country</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cal_Horton&diff=prev&oldid=1241210385">23:40, 19 August 2024</a> BLP vio, defamation (was REVDEL'd)</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Puberty_blocker#c-Peckedagain-20240820211400-Peckedagain-20240820210300">21:14, 20 August 2024</a> More POV pushing, it's getting pretty wild - can we strike a lot of this after enforcement?</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cal_Horton&diff=prev&oldid=1241409538">00:31, 21 August 2024</a> Second time making the same BLP vio on defamation (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVDEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVDEL">WP:REVDEL</a> by admin)</li></ol> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peckedagain#Introduction_to_contentious_topics" title="User talk:Peckedagain">User_talk:Peckedagain#Introduction_to_contentious_topics</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>The editor appears to be a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPA">WP:SPA</a> that joined several months ago, coinciding with the UK's release of the <a href="/wiki/Cass_Review" title="Cass Review">Cass Review</a>, which has been hailed by <a href="/wiki/TERF" class="mw-redirect" title="TERF">anti-trans</a> organizations and the user has continuously tried to push anti-trans content in multiple articles since joining. They will often make far ranging changes without actual consensus that had to have been reverted by multiple users. At this point with the latest swath of bad edits that I've linked above that occurred over just the last few days, which were the final straw of why I'm now bringing this to AE (there would be many more that could be pulled up). I don't think this editor is making useful contributions to the GENSEX CTOP area, as they require countless reversions and corrections, so I'm requesting a Topic ban to stop the unconstructive editing of the user. </p><p>(On a side note, while this user has been particularly egregious, ever since the UKs release of the Cass Review, there has been a considerable uptick of anti-trans POV pushing happening on various articles, with some editors pushing these views often <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TAGTEAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TAGTEAM">WP:TAGTEAMing</a> on it, so as someone recently mentioned at ANI, there may very well be a time for a new ArbCom case to help curtail this anti-trans POV pushing that is becoming very <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TENDENTIOUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TENDENTIOUS">WP:TENDENTIOUS</a>.) </p> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Peckedagain#Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion">22:23, 17 August 2024‎</a> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240818022000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240818022000"></span>Discussion concerning Peckedagain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240818022000"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Peckedagain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Peckedagain-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Peckedagain-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"></span>Statement by Peckedagain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Peckedagain-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"></span></h4></div> <p><b>edited 21 Aug - after Radalic's point 12 & 14</b> </p> <ul><li>Radalic has reverted my posts on Cal Horton talk - root cause was a quote from another Talk page: both reverts did not state this.</li> <li>see my [<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Peckedagain#this_is_getting_out_of_hand">| my talk page</a>]</li></ul> <p>Re the points: </p> <ul><li>1- @Licks-rocks has since praised my edits on that <b></b></li> <li>7 The UKCP is a credible professional body: I quoted directly: <b>"exploratory therapy must not be conflated with conversion therapy which seeks to change or deny a person’s sexual orientation and/or gender identity. Conversion therapy as so defined is harmful and must not be practised</b>" Is that whitewashing ?</li> <li>2 my edit is pulling up relevant detail from the page: before my edit the lead seemed to minimise that not all organisations supported puberty blockers. Radalic reverted, but could have engaged on Talk at the same time</li> <li>4 after that reversion I opened a section on the Talk page, to invite comment on the importance of the UKCP statement. You have not given even 12 hours for Snokalok, or yourself, to share views there</li> <li>6 Updated for: DanielRigal. Content was transferred to the PP page, apart from text stating what PP is. I checked now and I apologise, I did lose one sentence, starting: "They are also used in specific cases of hormone-sensitive cancers..."</li></ul> <p>In reply to "user's edits have mostly been unhelpful" by CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath: please see [<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Puberty_blocker#This_page_is_out_of_date_and_has_numerous_glaring_inaccuracies%7C">this example</a>] of constructive work, that took some time </p> <dl><dd>In reply to new points: <ul><li>8 - Ralidic also reverted positive work I did on the page - [<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cass_Review#The_list_of_Recommendations_is_very_very_long,_and_lacks_meaningful_groupings%7Csee">Talk</a>]</li> <li>But regards the James Esses case, I am at fault: I now realise it was inappropriate for the Cass page, even though the UKCP statement referred to Cass in their opening line.</li> <li>9 - Yes I am at fault: I didn't read carefully enough that I was being invited to use the Talk page, not the page. I have now done that.</li> <li>10: as the diff shows -the bulk of my comment was praising editors of all persuasions and invited them to help on another page.</li></ul> <dl><dd><b>Is Raladic coming with clean hands</b> to this issue? In the Talk page, they yesterday stated a view that has been many times in Talk shown to be misleading, to be wrongly undermining of what Cass actually is: "The government of one nation has issued a review for use of policies in that country. That is the purpose of the Cass Review, not more, not less." That seems to be a rut they are in, where they are at odds with the consensus of the cass page editors. <dl><dd>Because the Cass review included all worldwide evidence: although it was commissioned by one country, its scientific findings on PB evidence is valid to all.</dd></dl></dd> <dd><b>Is <a href="/wiki/User:Nosferattus" title="User:Nosferattus">Nosferattus</a> coming with clean hands?</b> - they are being <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APuberty_blocker&diff=1241467557&oldid=1241417325">criticized by others for 'completely wrong' statements</a>, and by me for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1241387162">digging up resolved, dead questions</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_DanielRigal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_DanielRigal-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240818022000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_DanielRigal-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240818022000"></span>Statement by DanielRigal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_DanielRigal-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240818022000"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DanielRigal-20240818022000-Statement_by_DanielRigal"></span>I have not been following this closely but I saw the diff of the big revert, checked the history, and yeah, it looks like several days of edit warring in an attempt to add POV and remove other material from the <a href="/wiki/Puberty_blocker" title="Puberty blocker">Puberty blocker</a> article by a (more-or-less) SPA. The big diff is 12.2KB but only ~8.5KB went into <a href="/wiki/Precocious_puberty" title="Precocious puberty">Precocious puberty</a> so plenty of material would have disappeared had it not been reverted. Furthermore, moving it all into Precocious puberty doesn't make sense, as some of the material that was moved relates to the blockers in general and is not all specific to precocious puberty. The whole point of having a separate article about the blockers is to cover the medications in detail and leave <a href="/wiki/Precocious_puberty" title="Precocious puberty">Precocious puberty</a> to focus on the condition itself, covering the blockers briefly, maybe with a little overlapping content but not too much. I feel that moving so much material about puberty blockers out of the article <i>about puberty blockers</i> has the effect of creating a void of factual medical information in that article, a void that can then be filled up with even more coverage of the trans related political "controversies" instead. That is not what we want in a medical article! </p><p>I had a quick look at Peckedagain's other edits. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Standards_of_Care_for_the_Health_of_Transgender_and_Gender_Diverse_People&diff=prev&oldid=1215431760">This</a> was their very first edit which seems surprisingly advanced for a first edit. Maybe they edited anonymously before but clearly they had prior experience. Only a <i>very</i> small proportion of their edits are on topics other than transgender issues. Most of the edits I looked at showed signs tendentious editing to some degree. I think it is fair to call them an SPA. </p><p>I believe that a topic ban is justified. --<a href="/wiki/User:DanielRigal" title="User:DanielRigal">DanielRigal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DanielRigal" title="User talk:DanielRigal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-DanielRigal-20240818022000-Statement_by_DanielRigal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DanielRigal-20240818022000-Statement_by_DanielRigal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DanielRigal-20240818022000-Statement_by_DanielRigal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240818024100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240818024100"></span>Statement by CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240818024100"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240818024100-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"></span>I haven't been following this too closely however I recently interacted with the user at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Puberty_blocker" title="Talk:Puberty blocker">Talk:Puberty blocker</a>. I'm not super familiar with the whole arbitration process on Wikipedia so please mistake any knowledge gaps here. Based on my interactions with the user it seems that they have very fixed beliefs on the topic of transgender healthcare and those views seem to be getting in the way of them making constructive edits. Several users have taken the time to explain to them why some of their edits have been unhelpful and despite this, they continue to make similar edits. I think a topic ban is appropriate here as the user's edits have mostly been unhelpful and they don't seem very open to changing how they contribute. <a href="/wiki/User:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath">CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240818024100-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240818024100-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240818024100-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820011400-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"></span>The purpose of my statement was not to say that you have not made any quality contributions to Wikipedia; my point was that if we were to look at all of your contributions to Wikipedia and weigh them as being either helpful or unhelpful, the majority of your contributions would fall under the unhelpful category. <a href="/wiki/User:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath">CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820011400-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820011400-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820011400-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820215500-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"></span>I didn't plan on updating my statement but I think <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Puberty%20blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1241385222">this diff</a> really shows the user's real intentions here and their clear lack of a neutral POV. I do see that an admin has weighed in on the topic but it doesn't seem like a conclusion has been reached yet. <a href="/wiki/User:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath">CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820215500-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820215500-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath-20240820215500-Statement_by_CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Licks-rocks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Licks-rocks-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240819230200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Licks-rocks-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240819230200"></span>Statement by Licks-rocks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Licks-rocks-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240819230200"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Licks-rocks-20240819230200-Statement_by_Licks-rocks"></span>Since I've been mentioned here twice now, I'll inform the court that I have seen this. Not much to add, besides that I concur this is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIR">CIR</a> issue and that I have advised Pecked on their talkpage to edit in other areas of the wiki to build some experience. There's definitely some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">IDHT</a>-symptoms here as well. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Peckedagain#Canvassing">[26]</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Licks-rocks" title="User:Licks-rocks">Licks-rocks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Licks-rocks#top" title="User talk:Licks-rocks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Licks-rocks-20240819230200-Statement_by_Licks-rocks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Licks-rocks-20240819230200-Statement_by_Licks-rocks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Licks-rocks-20240819230200-Statement_by_Licks-rocks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240820215000"><span id="Statement_by_.28LunaHasArrived.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240820215000"></span>Statement by (LunaHasArrived)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240820215000"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LunaHasArrived-20240820215000-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)"></span>I wasn't going to comment here because I thought everything I would say has been said but I think this users reaction to being bought to ae has increased their more problematic editing. As well as this one particular pov pushing diff #<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1241385222">[27]</a> caught my attention and was the main reason to comment. I really think the diff speaks for itself. I truly think pecked can be a productive editor and they have been praised for good editing previously. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LunaHasArrived&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LunaHasArrived (page does not exist)">LunaHasArrived</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LunaHasArrived" title="User talk:LunaHasArrived">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-LunaHasArrived-20240820215000-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LunaHasArrived-20240820215000-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LunaHasArrived-20240820215000-Statement_by_(LunaHasArrived)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Nosferattus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Nosferattus-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240821014200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Nosferattus-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240821014200"></span>Statement by Nosferattus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Nosferattus-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain-20240821014200"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nosferattus-20240821014200-Statement_by_Nosferattus"></span>Peckedagain's edit history shows a pattern of POV-pushing on issues related to transgender health care. Their editing on this topic is not in line with the guidelines at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">Wikipedia:Contentious topics</a>, particularly adherence to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>, so a topic ban may be in order. <a href="/wiki/User:Nosferattus" title="User:Nosferattus">Nosferattus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nosferattus" title="User talk:Nosferattus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Nosferattus-20240821014200-Statement_by_Nosferattus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nosferattus-20240821014200-Statement_by_Nosferattus"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nosferattus-20240821014200-Statement_by_Nosferattus"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_4-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_4"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_4-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_4-Discussion_concerning_Peckedagain"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Peckedagain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240819184000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240819184000"></span>Result concerning Peckedagain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Peckedagain-Peckedagain-20240819184000"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000-Result_concerning_Peckedagain"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>The edit warring is almost enough for a topic ban on its own, and the POV pushing found <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conversion_therapy&diff=prev&oldid=1240883231">here</a> with extensive quotation certainly isn't a good look. I think some experience in general editing before they're allowed to continue in GENSEX is probably a good idea. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000-Result_concerning_Peckedagain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000-Result_concerning_Peckedagain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000-Result_concerning_Peckedagain"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Black_Kite-20240821102500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000"></span>Agreed. We really don't need another POV-pushing SPA in this area, it's crowded enough with them already. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite" title="User talk:Black Kite">Black Kite (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Black_Kite-20240821102500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Kite-20240821102500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Kite-20240821102500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240819184000"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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title="Special:Block/Johnrpenner">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AJohnrpenner">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Johnrpenner&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3AJohnrpenner">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBPS">WP:ARBPS</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1241571374">[28]</a></span> 21 August 2024—violates <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PSCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PSCI">WP:PSCI</a> by immunizing <a href="/wiki/Anthroposophy" title="Anthroposophy">Anthroposophy</a> from <a href="/wiki/Falsifiability" title="Falsifiability">falsification</a> through performing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a> (seeks to reject the label of pseudoscience through attempting to make it look like a <a href="/wiki/Category_mistake" title="Category mistake">category mistake</a>—but not according to any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>)</li> <li>a lot of previous edits at the same article, 21 August 2024, see e.g. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1241567174">[29]</a></span>, having the edit summary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">cutting like a knife between physics and metaphysics</q></li></ol> <dl><dt>Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1221891274">[30]</a></span> 2 May 2024 (see the system log linked to above).</li></ul> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>Wikipedia is a collaborative environment—up to a point. We don't seek to "collaborate" with those who breach our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RULES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RULES">WP:RULES</a> with impunity. More to the point: Johnrpenner is violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RULES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RULES">WP:RULES</a> such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PSCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PSCI">WP:PSCI</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. If he thinks I'm wrong, he should <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">WP:CITE</a> mainstream <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> to that extent. Merely giving us his own opinion won't do. Again: his assertion that the label of pseudoscience is a category mistake, is solely based upon his own opinion. He did not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">WP:CITE</a> anything to that extent. Even if his POV were the unvarnished truth, he still does not have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> to that extent.</li> <li><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">Theleekycauldron</a>:</span> Until May 2024, I had no idea that Penner is a Wikipedia editor. In respect to what you say: I would accept a restriction of 1RR and a limit of 500 words per topic. Also, you have to consider that these Anthroposophists overtly stated they want me banned from Anthroposophy, so, while they knew they stand no chance in respect to their own edits, they were merely flamebaiting. Anthroposophists are generally speaking highly educated people, so if they behave as too dumb for their credentials, it is a token they are merely acting a show. Playing dumb and employing vicious libel (flamebait) is justified, according to them, since they are defending the public image of Anthroposophy. I mean: for a university-educated <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Lead Technical Writer</q> it would be easy-peasy to understand they're breaching website policy. And if I lambasted them for failing to do so, my criticism was genuine and to the point. What do they stand to lose, here at Wikipedia? A bunch of disposable accounts. Since both Johnrpenner and the previous Anthroposophist at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a> are extremely fond of performing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>—I don't think that's just a coincidence. When multiple accounts misunderstand Wikipedia in the same way, we may suspect they're <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEAT">WP:MEAT</a>.</li> <li><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Ealdgyth" title="User:Ealdgyth">Ealdgyth</a>:</span> It was not intended as mockery. I don't think he is unintelligent, and if he appears as unintelligent, that's for flamebaiting purposes (just to make me angry).</li> <li>Full disclosure: there was an off-wiki hounding campaign against me, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/WikipediaVandalism/comments/15yeddo/need_to_report_selfproclaimed_schizophrenic_troll/">[31]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://medium.com/@astronomicadeceleste/was-rudolf-steiner-racist-a-review-of-the-facts-and-my-take-on-problematic-anthroposophy-410565963a91">[32]</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Anthroposophy#Evidence" title="Talk:Anthroposophy">Talk:Anthroposophy#Evidence</a>—which I now came to see as flamebaiting. Its objectives are overtly stated: recruit other editors against me and get me banned from Wikipedia. So, I see my opponents at these articles as an organized campaign, starting with October 2023, or even earlier. The only damage I did to Wikipedia is extensively bickering about being hounded. It is rather unusual for Wikipedia that a cult organizes off-wiki to take action against a specific editor.</li> <li>If I get banned from Anthroposophy, the "Fortress Steiner" (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard/Archive_63#Need_some_help_on_Anthroposophy_and_its_related_articles,_particularly_Waldorf_education,_Anthroposophic_medicine,_and_Biodynamic_agriculture" title="Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard/Archive 63">here</a>) will regain its upper hand. Anti-fringe editors will be reluctant to intervene, since they lack a deep understanding of the topic. So I will have to get unbanned as the only person able to restore order. <a href="/wiki/User:Tgeorgescu" title="User:Tgeorgescu">tgeorgescu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tgeorgescu" title="User talk:Tgeorgescu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Tgeorgescu-20240824044000-Request_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tgeorgescu-20240824044000-Request_concerning_Johnrpenner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tgeorgescu-20240824044000-Request_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span></li></ul> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1241572352">[33]</a></span> 21 August 2024</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-Johnrpenner-20240822031900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-Johnrpenner-20240822031900"></span>Discussion concerning Johnrpenner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-Johnrpenner-20240822031900"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Johnrpenner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Johnrpenner-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240822031900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Johnrpenner-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240822031900"></span>Statement by Johnrpenner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Johnrpenner-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240822031900"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnrpenner-20240822031900-Statement_by_Johnrpenner"></span>after making additions to the 'Anthroposophy' article — user tgeorgescu deleted / reverted my edits, and so i took it on to the talk page, asking him: instead of just deleting a whole bunch of stuff, why not engage in something more constructive? he did not engage in a friendly fashion, and quickly shut me down, and launched this Arbitration request against me. </p><p>if i were writing an article on the phenomenolgy of colour — i would expect to see criticism and debate — but i would also expect to see some effort in improving the article — doing what wikipedia does — helping provide some sense of the topic, which covers a neutral and informed point of view. </p><p>user tgeorgescu has expended considerable effort solely directed towards attacking and finding sources discrediting Anthroposophy (hundreds upon hundreds of edits.. almost as if it were some sort of personal vendetta). if one sees only efforts directed at this — then i might also question how neutral things are — when i dont see as much effort towards contributing anything that might help provide insight on the given topic. </p><p>tgeorgescu claims category error — and my claim is that anthroposophy is no more scientific than the subject of philosophy. in my edits — i did not dispute or remove his claims, and took care to preserve his references/links and to make it clear that anthroposophy is not scientific. </p><p>i believe i was following the wiki principle as stated in WP:RNPOV — as follows: </p><p>WP:RNPOV § Neutrality: In the case of beliefs and practices, Wikipedia content should not only encompass what motivates individuals who hold these beliefs and practices but also account for how such beliefs and practices developed. Wikipedia articles on history and religion draw from religion's sacred texts as primary sources and modern archaeological, historical, and scientific works as secondary and tertiary sources. </p><p>in short — this issue could have been more constructively solved with some friendly edits aimed at improving the article, and making a subject more understandable — for example: </p><p>i) what are the epistemogical differences which distinguish anthroposophy from critical idealism? </p><p>ii) from whom did steiner get the idea — the article mentioned 'German Idealism', but neglected to mention Goethe. </p><p>iii) the article talks about 'perception of the spiritual world' — but it fails to mention the key role Anthroposophists place on Intuition in this regard. </p><p>these would all be useful things to know if i was a reader and unfamiliar with the subject. </p><p>instead, tgeorgescu has undertaken to report me to arbitration — i find it disingenous to spend such an inordinate amount of time logging in such an amount of effort cataloguing all criticisms against Anthroposophy — without making any efforts towards providing the reader with a better comprehension of what is being criticized — the criticisms and critics tgeorgescu has referenced only makes a case for condemning Anthroposophists — and deleting or reverting edits which disagree with him — and ultimately weaponizing the wiki process — which i find is generally quite fair, and i expect someone might be able to follow up and arbitrate his disproportionate critical activity, and attacks against users like myself which are trying to make honest contributions (as i have helped improve numerous other wiki articles, and believe in the wiki process). </p><p>i have no complaint against a good critical review of contributions to wikipedia - good editors, good referencing, and the good will to work together instead of shutting people down is what makes wikipedia great and useful. please, lets work together, and find a way to make better articles. peace out. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnrpenner" title="User:Johnrpenner">Johnrpenner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnrpenner" title="User talk:Johnrpenner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Johnrpenner-20240822031900-Statement_by_Johnrpenner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnrpenner-20240822031900-Statement_by_Johnrpenner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnrpenner-20240822031900-Statement_by_Johnrpenner"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_fiveby" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_fiveby-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240823063600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_fiveby-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240823063600"></span>Statement by fiveby<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_fiveby-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240823063600"></span></h4></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tgeorgescu" title="User:Tgeorgescu"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fiveby-20240823063600-Statement_by_fiveby"></span>tgeorgescu</a> could use some help at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Anthroposophy" title="Talk:Anthroposophy">Talk:Anthroposophy</a> in trying to nip problems in the bud before they escalate. See this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard/Archive_96#Anthroposophy#Religious_nature" title="Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard/Archive 96">this FTN thread</a> from November of last year (maybe just read <a href="/wiki/User:Hob_Gadling" title="User:Hob Gadling">Hob Gadling</a>'s comment at the end of the collapsed "Extended content") All that effort expended when it turns out an editor was just <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard/Archive_97#Anthroposophy" title="Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard/Archive 97">using phony citations for content</a>. When he raises issues at FTN i at least often feel behind the curve with an unfamiliar topic, and tgeorgescu usually seems to be going it alone on the talk page. I don't know if AE can do anything to help and maybe the answer here is just to remember to watchlist the articles and pay more attention. <a href="/wiki/User:Fiveby" title="User:Fiveby">fiveby</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fiveby" title="User talk:Fiveby">zero</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Fiveby-20240823063600-Statement_by_fiveby" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fiveby-20240823063600-Statement_by_fiveby"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fiveby-20240823063600-Statement_by_fiveby"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_KoA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_KoA-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240824155800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_KoA-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240824155800"></span>Statement by KoA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_KoA-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner-20240824155800"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KoA-20240824155800-Statement_by_KoA"></span>I want to echo's <a href="/wiki/User:Fiveby" title="User:Fiveby">fiveby</a>'s sentiment above, and I would caution admins to be mindful to check out what they link at FTN. I’ve been noticing that problem at the noticeboards and tgeorgescu’s frustration too often handling a lot of fringe stuff and now apparently becoming a target off-wiki for it. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a>, I am concerned about your comments here <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=1241626486#Johnrpenner">at this time</a> in the AE and making them in the uninvolved admin section. I reviewed the talk page<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Anthroposophy&oldid=1241960372">[34]</a>, and the only recent dispute was from this interaction at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Anthroposophy#Violation_of_WP:PSCI" title="Talk:Anthroposophy">Talk:Anthroposophy#Violation_of_WP:PSCI</a>. However, I couldn't verify any of your claims made without diffs there such as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">bludgeoning talk pages, going on long-winded "own the crazies" rants, insulting other editors</q>, so that was a serious red flag when I instead saw tgeorgescu making very short replies and largely behaving properly at the time. The only little knock against them was that they should have stopped interacting before the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I have already reported you at WP:AE. . .</q> comment, but even those comments are relatively chill compared to your characterization. If there are recent diffs prior to when you commented, those are absolutely needed, because when I see a mismatch like that in depiction, that looks a lot more like battleground pursuit on your part that we'd typically see of involved editors behaving poorly. If anything, it looks like tgeorgescu's talk page use had actually vastly improved and it wasn't until you started needling tgeorgescu with your initial comment that they got off the rails here at AE. At least as I've tried to review this report with an even hand, you created more heat than light. </p><p>However tgeorgescu, I do have some advice after seeing your comments on talk pages over the years. Remember to center yourself on the ideas of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTFORUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTFORUM">WP:NOTFORUM</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOC">WP:FOC</a> more often on article talk pages. I have seen you give in-depth answers at times when not needed or just posting on the talk page not clearly tied to any edit.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anthroposophy#Univocality">[35]</a> Sometimes I've seen you come back for an "and another thing" comment when the conversation was just likely to die. I saw that before your warning theleekycauldron mentions, and it looks like you've been vastly improving in what I've reviewed so far. That said, be careful about personalizing comments about editors or how comments might appear to be a battleground mentality. That too creates more heat than light like I just cautioned theleekycauldron. When I look at the AE after their comment, you brought up that you felt like you were being trolled by Johnrpenner at the article with comments like <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">so if they behave as too dumb for their credentials</q>. Even if you feel like that, don't take the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAIT">WP:BAIT</a>. You honestly were fine from what I can see initially until your interactions with theleekycauldron here. It wasn't until that moment I was seeing AE comments with a bit too much bite towards editors, so it didn't appear anything <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PREVENTATIVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PREVENTATIVE">WP:PREVENTATIVE</a> was needed on your part to that point. <a href="/wiki/User:KoA" title="User:KoA">KoA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KoA" title="User talk:KoA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-KoA-20240824155800-Statement_by_KoA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KoA-20240824155800-Statement_by_KoA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KoA-20240824155800-Statement_by_KoA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KoA-20240826202300-KoA-20240824155800"></span>ScottishFinnishRadish</a>, I'm right at the word limit, so I'll leave it at this just to say the issue I saw was that when you look at recent edits before this AE (most stuff mentioned here is pretty stale or minor), it really did look like tgeorgescu was improving significantly in the last few months (especially the very last talk section at the page before AE) compared to the period of their warning or when I even told them to chill out on the treatises awhile back. Whatever threads the needle between "you've made some good improvements in mainspace/talk" and "you've still got scaling back to do" will be helpful here for a grounded approach. <a href="/wiki/User:KoA" title="User:KoA">KoA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KoA" title="User talk:KoA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-KoA-20240826202300-KoA-20240824155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KoA-20240826202300-KoA-20240824155800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KoA-20240826202300-KoA-20240824155800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_5-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_5"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_5-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_5-Discussion_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Johnrpenner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner-Johnrpenner-20240822082200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner-Johnrpenner-20240822082200"></span>Result concerning Johnrpenner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner-Johnrpenner-20240822082200"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> <li>Looks like tgeorgescu is exhibiting the exact same behavior that landed them a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive324#SamwiseGSix" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive324">logged warning for battleground behavior and incivility</a> nine months ago. that's a shame, because they seem to solidly be in the right that Johnrpenner is only here to push a pseudoscientific POV. If Tgeorgescu doesn't agree to stop bludgeoning talk pages, going on long-winded "own the crazies" rants, insulting other editors, and generally behaving as if yelling at people about how wrong and stupid they are is the best way to make them go away, the pseudoscience topic area will lose a valuable editor. perhaps a topic ban from <a href="/wiki/Anthroposophy" title="Anthroposophy">Anthroposophy</a> is in order, since the last row took place there as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a> • she/her) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075200-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200"></span>Support <b>topic banning Johnrpenner</b> from <a href="/wiki/Anthroposophy" title="Anthroposophy">Anthroposophy</a>, broadly construed. Also support <b>restricting tgeorgescu</b> within <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBPS">ARBPS</a>, broadly construed, such that they may not write more than 500 words across discussions related to this topic area (<em>not</em> 500 words per thread) in a calendar month; and placing them under 1RR. They are reminded to seek out admins before engaging in disruptive behavior in their attempts to combat disruptive behavior. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a> • she/her) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075200-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075200-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theleekycauldron-20240824075200-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240825043700-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:KoA" title="User:KoA">KoA</a>:</span> I'm taking my cues from <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1241960372#Evidence" title="Special:PermanentLink/1241960372">this thread</a>. Some of it was from before Johnrpenner was a wikipedian (although <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1241960372#Vandalism" title="Special:PermanentLink/1241960372">this</a> isn't), but I don't think it'd be ridiculous to say that it's relevant to the onwiki portion of this spat. I'm also considering the sum of other threads they've started since the SamwiseGSix AE thread. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a> • she/her) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Theleekycauldron-20240825043700-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theleekycauldron-20240825043700-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theleekycauldron-20240825043700-Theleekycauldron-20240822082200"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ealdgyth-20240822122800-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span>Tgeorgescu - first, "A more nuanced view of how I see Anthroposophy:" has no bearing on how you should be editing. Your personal views are no more useful than the personal views of Johnrpenner or any other editors. In fact, you state later in this very filing that "Merely giving us his own opinion won't do" so putting your views here isn't helpful to the admins looking into your filing. Further, with "Malcontents should not blame me for what full professors write" you are continuing to describe other editors (I think? It's hard to tell if you're referring to other editors or merely folks who subscribe to Anthroposophy, but either way it's a sign of battleground behavior) as "malcontents". You were warned for this last November. Here's another unhelpful comment "I mean: for a university-educated Lead Technical Writer it would be easy-peasy to understand they're breaching website policy." ... you're clearly mocking the editor who you filed this against. Really, this battleground approach needs to stop.</li> <li>Okay, so to the edit that is given as the basis for this filing: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1241571374" title="Special:Diff/1241571374">this edit</a>, I see a description of the subject sourced to a pile of what appear to be independent reliable sources (at a quick glance) that is being replaced with stuff sourced to Steiner's own works. Also, I see that "Though proponents claim to present their ideas in a manner that is verifiable by rational discourse and say that they seek precision and clarity comparable to that obtained by <a href="/wiki/Scientists" class="mw-redirect" title="Scientists">scientists</a> investigating the physical world, many of these ideas have been termed <a href="/wiki/Pseudoscientific" class="mw-redirect" title="Pseudoscientific">pseudoscientific</a> by experts in <a href="/wiki/Epistemology" title="Epistemology">epistemology</a> and debunkers of pseudoscience." this sentence (which is sourced to the pile of independent sources) is replaced with "Anthroposophy does not belong to the study of the physical sciences, any more than Plato's Metaphysics should be considered Physics — doing so would be <a href="/wiki/Pseudoscientific" class="mw-redirect" title="Pseudoscientific">pseudoscientific</a>" while still sourcing it to the same pile of reliable sources. This is source mis-representation unless each of those sources actually supports this new text (I'll go on a limb here and say it likely doesn't). On the griping hand, though, Johnrpenner isn't exactly a prolific editor - his edit count is around 1700, but they are widely spread out and mostly appear to relate to Goethe. While they are not editing well, I'm not sure they've had a chance to learn that wikipedia isn't a philosphical debating place. They need to learn to edit well with others, but either a topic ban from the narrow topic of Anthroposophy or a warning about their editing there would probably be fine. <a href="/wiki/User:Ealdgyth" title="User:Ealdgyth">Ealdgyth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ealdgyth" title="User talk:Ealdgyth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Ealdgyth-20240822122800-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ealdgyth-20240822122800-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ealdgyth-20240822122800-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ealdgyth-20240826150200-Ealdgyth-20240822122800"></span>Topic ban for Johnrpenner sounds good. I don't necessarily disagree about a word limit for Tgeorgescu, but I'm not sure it's going to work or be easy to enforce. Call me agnostic on it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ealdgyth" title="User:Ealdgyth">Ealdgyth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ealdgyth" title="User talk:Ealdgyth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Ealdgyth-20240826150200-Ealdgyth-20240822122800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ealdgyth-20240826150200-Ealdgyth-20240822122800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ealdgyth-20240826150200-Ealdgyth-20240822122800"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span>A topic ban for Johnrpenner from Anthroposophy is reasonable, and some sort of anti-bludgeon/anti-thousands of words restriction on Tgeorgescu wouldn't be amiss either. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:KoA" title="User:KoA"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700"></span>KoA</a>, just as an example of a <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">long-winded "own the crazies" rants</q> see <a href="/wiki/User:Tgeorgescu#My_quarrel_with_anthroposophists" title="User:Tgeorgescu">User:Tgeorgescu#My quarrel with anthroposophists</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Talk:Anthroposophy#Category" title="Talk:Anthroposophy">Talk:Anthroposophy#Category</a>. I'd be interested in scaling back that type of engagement with the topic. I don't know if a word limit per month or discussion would be helpful, but even some advice or a warning might help. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826150300-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830150000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700"></span>So the topic ban has consensus. How do we want to move forward with Tgeorgescu? Another warning, or something with a bit more oomph? I like the gist of <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">Theleekycauldron</a>'s idea, but I don't know how we'd ever track it.</dd> <dd>On a broader note, this issue comes up a lot where a milder sanction might be able to end disruptive behavior, but we end up warning a few times instead, and eventually we hit a tipping point and we end up with a more severe sanction. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830150000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830150000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830150000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826142700"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnuniq-20240827043600-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"></span>Johnrpenner has been an editor since 2005 but is not yet experienced, having under 1800 edits. Their first edits (example from <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/11803710" title="Special:Diff/11803710">April 2005</a>) concerned <a href="/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner" title="Rudolf Steiner">Rudolf Steiner</a>, the founder of <a href="/wiki/Anthroposophy" title="Anthroposophy">Anthroposophy</a>. The current edits are not appropriate and I support a topic ban from articles related to Rudolf Steiner, or just Anthroposophy if others support that. I have spent time advising tgeorgescu that they should cut back on excessive commentary but in checking a couple of recent discussions, I could not see a problem. We need editors like tgeorgescu who are able and willing to keep articles based on reliable sources so my only suggestion in that area is that I would be happy to investigate if anyone wants to draw my attention to a future discussion where a participant might be overdoing it. I agree that ScottishFinnishRadish's links just above ("own the crazies") show excessive enthusiasm: tgeorgescu should stick to verifiable facts related to current editing proposals. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnuniq" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Johnuniq-20240827043600-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnuniq-20240827043600-Result_concerning_Johnrpenner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:TenPoundHammer" title="User talk:TenPoundHammer">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer" title="Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer">contribs</a>) is reminded, as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#TenPoundHammer_topic_banned_(1)" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">presently</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">topic banned from deletion discussions, broadly construed</q>, to not make comments on noticeboards or elsewhere on Wikipedia that suggest editors take an article to AfD. — <a href="/wiki/User:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed hawk</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User talk:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240829013600-TenPoundHammer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240829013600-TenPoundHammer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20240829013600-TenPoundHammer"></span> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <p><small><i>This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br/>Requests may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826074000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826074000"></span>Request concerning TenPoundHammer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826074000"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morbidthoughts-20240826074000-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Morbidthoughts" title="User:Morbidthoughts">Morbidthoughts</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morbidthoughts" title="User talk:Morbidthoughts">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Morbidthoughts" title="Special:Contributions/Morbidthoughts">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Morbidthoughts" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Morbidthoughts">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Morbidthoughts" title="Special:Log/Morbidthoughts">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Morbidthoughts">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Morbidthoughts" title="Special:Block/Morbidthoughts">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AMorbidthoughts">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Morbidthoughts-20240826074000-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morbidthoughts-20240826074000-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morbidthoughts-20240826074000-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morbidthoughts-20240826190100-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:TenPoundHammer" title="User:TenPoundHammer">TenPoundHammer</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TenPoundHammer" title="User talk:TenPoundHammer">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer" title="Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/TenPoundHammer" title="Special:DeletedContributions/TenPoundHammer">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/TenPoundHammer" title="Special:Log/TenPoundHammer">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=TenPoundHammer">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/TenPoundHammer" title="Special:Block/TenPoundHammer">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ATenPoundHammer">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TenPoundHammer&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3ATenPoundHammer">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#TenPoundHammer_topic_banned_(1)" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing#TenPoundHammer topic banned (1)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1242272001">22:31, 25 August 2024‎</a>: Using BLPN for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROXYING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROXYING">WP:PROXYING</a>: "Seems to have had his fingers in a few pies but nothing passing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. Strongly suggest prod or AFD."</li></ol> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>I don't see these types of prompts including the three that Nil Einne listed as being different from what got JPL blocked.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive310#Johnpacklambert">[36]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Morbidthoughts" title="User:Morbidthoughts">Morbidthoughts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morbidthoughts" title="User talk:Morbidthoughts">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Morbidthoughts-20240826190100-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morbidthoughts-20240826190100-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morbidthoughts-20240826190100-Request_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span></li></ul> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TenPoundHammer&diff=prev&oldid=1242328160">[37]</a> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826082000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826082000"></span>Discussion concerning TenPoundHammer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826082000"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_TenPoundHammer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_TenPoundHammer-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_TenPoundHammer-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span>Statement by TenPoundHammer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_TenPoundHammer-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span></h4></div> <p>I can see how my statements are my topic ban. It's why I backed off with the Jonathan Prince discussion. I know it's not the first time I brought something to BLPN with an implication that it be AFD'd, either. I agree that my topic-ban from XFD and BLAR is justifiable, and I'm trying to work within the limits of it, but I can see how taking something to BLPN and saying "anyone wanna AFD this" is dubious. Would verbiage on BLPN akin to "here's what I found or didn't find; what do you think should be done with this page?" be more acceptable? </p><p>I am considering drafting up an appeal to be submitted in due time and a game plan to tackle my history of XFD problems, although I'm not sure how something like this is going to weigh on it. </p><p>I think opening this discussion in this manner is way overboard, especially since I <i>did</i> catch myself and realize that what I was doing was dubious before I went any further. I move that this be <b>closed</b> as I feel this entire discussion is a massive overreaction and it seems I'm not alone in thinking so, as Barkeep49 and ScottishFinnishRadish pointed out. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Nil_Einne" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Nil_Einne-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-20240826082000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Nil_Einne-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-20240826082000"></span>Statement by Nil Einne<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Nil_Einne-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer-20240826082000"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nil_Einne-20240826082000-Statement_by_Nil_Einne"></span>I have no clear opinion on whether TenPoundHammer's editing is a violation but FWIW this isn't the first time they've brought articles to BLPN either directly mentioning AFD or deletion as a possibility <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1240877079">[38]</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Kristan_Cunningham" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard">Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Kristan Cunningham</a>) & <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1230024263">[39]</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive360#Rossi_Morreale" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive360">Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive360#Rossi Morreale</a>) or where they didn't but did suggest the article did not meet GNG <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1228182963">[40]</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive360#Myrlin_Hermes" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive360">Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive360#Myrlin Hermes</a>). In all of those other 3, at least one editor has seen enough of a problem that the article was deleted after AFD (in 2 cases) or BLARed (in 1 case). But while recognising unsourced BLPs are a problem, I've never been convinced of the wisdom of TenPoundHammer doing this in light of their topic ban. And IMO, at a minimum if it continues, TenPoundHammer really should disclose their topic ban when opening these threads so anyone reading the thread is aware of the circumstances. However I've never spoken to them about my concerns as I wasn't that active for most of it, and even now I'm trying to limit my activity. It looks like no one else has spoken to them either. <a href="/wiki/User:Nil_Einne" title="User:Nil Einne">Nil Einne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nil_Einne" title="User talk:Nil Einne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Nil_Einne-20240826082000-Statement_by_Nil_Einne" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nil_Einne-20240826082000-Statement_by_Nil_Einne"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nil_Einne-20240826082000-Statement_by_Nil_Einne"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_6" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_6-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_6"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_6-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_6-Discussion_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826142500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826142500"></span>Result concerning TenPoundHammer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer-TenPoundHammer-20240826142500"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240826142500-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>I think TPH should be able to post at BLPN. What they should not do is make what are essentially AfD nomination statements with a nudge for someone else to go and nominate. TPH needs to knock that off and perhaps just ask for their tban to be repealed or loosened. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240826142500-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240826142500-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240826142500-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826152400-Barkeep49-20240826142500"></span>Yeah, this is close enough to the edge that I wouldn't leap to an immediate sanction. A solid "Hey, knock that off" will probably be enough at this point. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826152400-Barkeep49-20240826142500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826152400-Barkeep49-20240826142500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240826152400-Barkeep49-20240826142500"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnuniq-20240827044200-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span>I support closing this as TenPoundHammer is advised that they should not post comments suggesting an AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnuniq" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Johnuniq-20240827044200-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnuniq-20240827044200-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnuniq-20240827044200-Result_concerning_TenPoundHammer"></span></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"></span>Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Toa Nidhiki05<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><small><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">here</a>. According to the procedures, a "clear and substantial consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.</i></small> </p><p><small><i>To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections<span class="nowrap"> </span>but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNINVOLVED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNINVOLVED">WP:UNINVOLVED</a>).</i></small> </p> <dl><dt>Appealing user</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05">Toa Nidhiki05</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Toa_Nidhiki05" title="Special:Contributions/Toa Nidhiki05">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Toa_Nidhiki05" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Toa Nidhiki05">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Toa_Nidhiki05" title="Special:Log/Toa Nidhiki05">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Toa+Nidhiki05">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Toa_Nidhiki05" title="Special:Block/Toa Nidhiki05">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AToa+Nidhiki05">block log</a>)</span> – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction being appealed</dt> <dd>Topic ban from BLPs related to post-1992 American politics, broadly construed, imposed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive327#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive327">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive327#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Toa Nidhiki05</a> and logged at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2022#American_politics_2" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2022">Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2022#American politics 2</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Administrator imposing the sanction</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Vanamonde93" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde93</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vanamonde93" title="Special:Contributions/Vanamonde93">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/Vanamonde93" title="Special:Log/block/Vanamonde93">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/Vanamonde93" title="Special:Log/protect/Vanamonde93">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/Vanamonde93" title="Special:Log/delete/Vanamonde93">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Vanamonde93" title="Special:Log/move/Vanamonde93">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/Vanamonde93" title="Special:Log/rights/Vanamonde93">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Vanamonde93" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Vanamonde93">RfA</a>)</span>, <a href="/wiki/User:Guerillero" title="User:Guerillero">Guerillero</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guerillero" title="User talk:Guerillero">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Guerillero" title="Special:Contributions/Guerillero">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/Guerillero" title="Special:Log/block/Guerillero">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/Guerillero" title="Special:Log/protect/Guerillero">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/Guerillero" title="Special:Log/delete/Guerillero">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/Guerillero" title="Special:Log/move/Guerillero">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/Guerillero" title="Special:Log/rights/Guerillero">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Guerillero" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Guerillero">RfA</a>)</span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Notification of that administrator</dt> <dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Guerillero&oldid=1242734042">[41]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vanamonde93&oldid=1242734097">[42]</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"></span>Statement by Toa Nidhiki05<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Since my topic ban was scaled back to only include BLPs, I've engaged in a lot of productive discussion and editing within the AMPol 2 topic area. Probably the biggest achievement has been consensus at <a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)">Republican Party (United States)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democratic Party (United States)</a> on political positions - ending a dispute that has been ongoing for over a decade - but I've also engaged in routine maintenance and vandalism removal across the topic a. Lifting the restriction on BLPs would allow me to do the same in the entire scope of AMPol 2, including handling the sorts of routine vandalism that occurs on political BLPs. I think my pattern of behavior and achievements in the seven months or so since the ban has shown my general commitment to productive behavior and conduct within the topic area. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100-Statement_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"></span>To respond quickly to <a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint">starship.paint</a>: from my recollection, that first bit was in a fairly contentious period where frequent edits were being made, and discussion on the talk page was ongoing. The day of those edits the discussion was this (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Republican_Party_(United_States)/Archive_33" title="Talk:Republican Party (United States)/Archive 33">Proposal: "Big tent" for both parties</a>), and edits I made there were in response to talk page discussion on the matter - specifically, in response to comments by<a href="/wiki/User:Carlp941" title="User:Carlp941">Carlp941</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:BootsED" title="User:BootsED">BootsED</a>. The tl:dr of the broader dispute at hand was that a consensus had been reached to add content to the main page, but the consensus didn't actually follow specific reliable sources. After further research and discussion, this consensus was modified pursuant to reliable sources. During the interim period here, the page was fairly tumultuous on both mainspace and talkspace. If there was a technical 1RR violation there, I apologize, although the full context of talk page discussions is important here.</dd> <dd>As to ongoing reverts - many of these are responding to vandalism or source hijacking maintenance. Unfortunately, political party pages are frequently subject to drive-by edits from users or IPs, specifically in the "ideology" or "faction" section of said pages. The most common mode of operation is to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1230965113">delete reliably sourced content</a> or <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1232135627">add content</a> (without adjusting current reliable sources - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HIJACKING" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:HIJACKING">creating the misconception existing sources support it</a>). These drive-by editors generally do not explain their edit, nor do they stay behind to discuss. As it stands, we have strong consensus on the page for specific wordings in these sections, hashed out either through discussion or RfCs. Other reverts in this thread are generally in response to specific issues with sourcing or the addition of incorrect information/removal of correct information. I could provide context for each one if you absolutely desired - most of them were hashed out on the talk page. But broadly I would just categorize this as maintenance of a page that receives a lot of edits. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240827142100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100"></span>To respond succinctly, <a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint">starship.paint</a>: <ul><li>The first one you listed (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1236319943">[43]</a>) is two things: unexplained removal of reliably sourced content with a talk page consensus (removing center-right - very sloppy at that, as they didn't remove the citations), and also source hijacking (adding that only the "the <a href="/wiki/Right-wing_populism" title="Right-wing populism">populist</a> faction" of the party receives support from specific groups).</li> <li>The second one (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1237396921">[44]</a>) kind of relates to question on whether party platforms in and of themselves are the most reliable source for what parties support. As far as I know this dispute has not actually been resolved, but the other editor in question here, <a href="/wiki/User:JohnAdams1800" title="User:JohnAdams1800">JohnAdams1800</a>, noted the specific dispute in the second edit ended with an <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AToa_Nidhiki05&diff=1240356857&oldid=1240146646">impasse on amiable terms</a>. I'd consider this broadly a low-level dispute, personally. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829170100"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830133000-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500"></span>So for those specifically <a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint">starship.paint</a>: <ul><li>For June 24, the sources don't actually back up the claims. Putting aside how poorly worded "it has been argued" is (<a href="/wiki/Template:By_whom" title="Template:By whom">who is arguing this</a>?), the sources cited don't actually mention neoconservatism or populism at all. Just try searching either - you won't find it. There might be merit to talking about factional divides, but those added sources don't back up the claim, which means the content can't be added.</li> <li>For July 31, that was part of the low-level neoliberalism dispute <a href="/wiki/User:JohnAdams1800" title="User:JohnAdams1800">JohnAdams1800</a> mentioned (see: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Republican_Party_(United_States)#Is_the_Republican_Party_neoliberal_economically?_I_have_sources_that_it_isn't_anymore" title="Talk:Republican Party (United States)">this talk page discussion</a>). Several editors objected to identifying the party as having a core ideology of protectionism. The discussion kind of stalled out and is probably worth looking more closely into. On the face of it that content you mention could be noteworthy and I might have been too reckless in reverting the whole thing, but it's also not an especially important bit of information (USMCA was a fairly major trade deal, and the Biden admin isn't really noteworthy to what the GOP views trade as). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05"><i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830133000-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830133000-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830133000-Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830024500"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Vanamonde93" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Vanamonde93-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Vanamonde93-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Statement by Vanamonde93<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Vanamonde93-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Guerillero" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Guerillero-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Guerillero-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Statement by Guerillero<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Guerillero-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_starship.paint" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_starship.paint-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829150600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_starship.paint-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829150600"></span>Statement by starship.paint<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_starship.paint-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240829150600"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starship.paint-20240829150600-Statement_by_starship.paint"></span>I thought I should support if Toa has not been involved in much controversy. Toa's talk page archives does have one controversy, a violation of 1RR on 19 June (another controversy is present but I think it was minor and resolved). 1RR: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1229851590">01:34</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1229984442">21:35</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1229984543">21:35 again</a> Since then, Toa has carried out a high number of reverts at the same article. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1230741612">24 June</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1230965113">25 June</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1232135627">2 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1232422089">3 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1234727945">15 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1235891507">21 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1236094572">22 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1236319943">24 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1237396921">29 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1237843512">31 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1239773497">11 August</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1240454578">15 August</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1241131371">19 August</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1241310408">20 August</a> / I am not saying these reverts are bad, but perhaps we can get Toa's comments on the above (1RR and the volume of reverts). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">starship</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starship.paint" title="Special:Contributions/Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">.paint</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint" title="User talk:Starship.paint">RUN</a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Starship.paint-20240829150600-Statement_by_starship.paint" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starship.paint-20240829150600-Statement_by_starship.paint"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starship.paint-20240829150600-Statement_by_starship.paint"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starship.paint-20240830021100-Starship.paint-20240829150600"></span>Right, I skimmed through the "Proposal: "Big tent" for both parties" discussion and your reverts above. On the surface, based on the arguments brought forth and the sources brought forth, it seems that Toa's editing is within the bounds of reasonableness. But, perhaps Toa can offer more explanation for these three diffs in particular, as they seem to be separate from the issues in the other diffs: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1236319943">24 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1237396921">29 July</a> / <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republican_Party_(United_States)&diff=prev&oldid=1237843512">31 July</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">starship</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starship.paint" title="Special:Contributions/Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">.paint</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint" title="User talk:Starship.paint">RUN</a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Starship.paint-20240830021100-Starship.paint-20240829150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starship.paint-20240830021100-Starship.paint-20240829150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starship.paint-20240830021100-Starship.paint-20240829150600"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starship.paint-20240830031500-Starship.paint-20240830021100"></span>Toa, for the 24 June diff, I was actually interested on the part that you did not respond about. You removed <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">However, it has been argued that the preference of <a href="/wiki/Urban%E2%80%93rural_political_divide" title="Urban–rural political divide">urban voters</a>, <a href="/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States" title="Educational attainment in the United States">college graduates</a> and high-income earners continues to favor non-populist Republicans from the <a href="/wiki/Neoconservative" class="mw-redirect" title="Neoconservative">neoconservative</a> establishment</q> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://abcnews.go.com/538/college-educated-voters-arent-saving-nikki-haley/story?id=106236805">Reference 1</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/new-hampshire-primary-sees-strong-turnout-unaffiliated-voters/story?id=106613187">Reference 2</a>. For the 31 July diff, you, in part, removed <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">As of 2024, the last <a href="/wiki/Free_trade_agreements_of_the_United_States" title="Free trade agreements of the United States">free trade agreement</a> enacted was the <a href="/wiki/USMCA" class="mw-redirect" title="USMCA">USMCA</a> in 2020, which replaced <a href="/wiki/NAFTA" class="mw-redirect" title="NAFTA">NAFTA</a> while maintaining most of its provisions. No other free trade agreements have been enacted during the <a href="/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration" class="mw-redirect" title="Economic policy of the Donald Trump administration">Trump</a> or <a href="/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Joe_Biden_administration" title="Economic policy of the Joe Biden administration">Biden administrations</a></q> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/biden-struggles-to-push-trade-deals-with-allies-as-election-approaches-fc512595?">Reference</a> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">starship</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starship.paint" title="Special:Contributions/Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">.paint</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint" title="User talk:Starship.paint">RUN</a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Starship.paint-20240830031500-Starship.paint-20240830021100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starship.paint-20240830031500-Starship.paint-20240830021100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starship.paint-20240830031500-Starship.paint-20240830021100"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starship.paint-20240831080000-Starship.paint-20240830031500"></span>I've now read the sources and Toa's explanation and I am satisfied with the explanation. At this moment I am supporting the repeal of the topic ban unless some other significant evidence is brought up that would force me to re-evaluate my position. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">starship</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starship.paint" title="Special:Contributions/Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">.paint</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint" title="User talk:Starship.paint">RUN</a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Starship.paint-20240831080000-Starship.paint-20240830031500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starship.paint-20240831080000-Starship.paint-20240830031500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starship.paint-20240831080000-Starship.paint-20240830031500"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_JohnAdams1800" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830025500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830025500"></span>Statement by JohnAdams1800<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830025500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnAdams1800-20240830025500-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800"></span>I'm commenting about this appeal, but don't know the full details about this dispute. I <b>agree</b> with <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05" title="User talk:Toa Nidhiki05">User talk:Toa Nidhiki05</a> that our edit dispute was a low-level dispute, specifically regarding support for <a href="/wiki/Neoliberalism" title="Neoliberalism">neoliberalism</a> by the Republican Party over time. We have both made thousands of edits, and occasional edit conflicts are bound to arise. The pages about political parties and politicians are among the most contentious pages, with edit conflicts much more frequent. Users often try to impose their own views when editing. I personally don't edit most BLPs of politicians. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnAdams1800" title="User:JohnAdams1800">JohnAdams1800</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnAdams1800" title="User talk:JohnAdams1800">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-JohnAdams1800-20240830025500-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnAdams1800-20240830025500-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnAdams1800-20240830025500-Statement_by_JohnAdams1800"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_BootsED" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_BootsED-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830235100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_BootsED-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830235100"></span>Statement by BootsED<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_BootsED-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-20240830235100"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BootsED-20240830235100-Statement_by_BootsED"></span>I want to speak out in support of Toa Nidhiki05. I am surprised that there is a ban on Toa's contribution to post-1992 United States politics in place, as I found the work he did on the <a href="/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)" title="Republican Party (United States)">Republican Party</a> page to be very well done and reasoned. I found his comments during a debate on the "factions" of the party helpful, constructive, and showing out-of-the-box thinking that greatly helped us better understand the problem at hand. I even left a positive <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Toa_Nidhiki05&diff=prev&oldid=1228852349">note of thanks</a> on his talk page. </p><p>In regards to the revert violation, my understanding is that it occurred near the end of the 24-hour period and was an honest mistake. Toa really took to improving the factions and political position section of the article and if my memory serves me correctly, there was a lot of back and forth from editors during this time, some of whom were confused or mistaken about what was discussed as the discussion on the topic at hand had gotten disorganized on the talk page and spread out over multiple sections. </p><p>While a lot of editors simply used their own personal opinion or low-quality references, Toa stuck to finding and providing higher-quality journal articles that helped ground the debate. Looking back at Toa's original ban, I think I understand how editing on Wikipedia can make people very frustrated, especially when some individuals are quite clearly either trolling or mistaken. I think that understanding intent is an important aspect to consider when punishing editors, and while obviously one should always strive to maintain proper decorum, I think that Toa's heart and intent on Wikipedia is in the right place and deserving of this appeal. <a href="/wiki/User:BootsED" title="User:BootsED">BootsED</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BootsED" title="User talk:BootsED">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-BootsED-20240830235100-Statement_by_BootsED" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BootsED-20240830235100-Statement_by_BootsED"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BootsED-20240830235100-Statement_by_BootsED"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span id="Statement_by_.28involved_editor_1.29_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Statement by (involved editor 1)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_1)_2-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span id="Statement_by_.28involved_editor_2.29_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Statement by (involved editor 2)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(involved_editor_2)_2-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span>Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Toa Nidhiki05<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. <br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. 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Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>I will have time to review this tomorrow (Monday) and we need some input from other admins also, especially those who worked on the initial sanction and prior appeal. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Newyorkbrad-20240901065500-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-20240901065500-Result_of_the_appeal_by_Toa_Nidhiki05"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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except by permission of a reviewing administrator.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831014100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831014100"></span>Request concerning Silvertide goldwaves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831014100"></span></h3></div> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Number_57-20240831014100-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span>User who is submitting this request for enforcement</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Number_57" title="User:Number 57">Number 57</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Number_57" title="User talk:Number 57">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Number_57" title="Special:Contributions/Number 57">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Number_57" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Number 57">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Number_57" title="Special:Log/Number 57">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Number+57">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Number_57" title="Special:Block/Number 57">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ANumber+57">block log</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Number_57-20240831014100-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Number_57-20240831014100-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Number_57-20240831014100-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dt><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Number_57-20240831024700-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span>User against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Silvertide_goldwaves" title="User:Silvertide goldwaves">Silvertide goldwaves</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silvertide_goldwaves" title="User talk:Silvertide goldwaves">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Silvertide_goldwaves" title="Special:Contributions/Silvertide goldwaves">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Silvertide_goldwaves" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Silvertide goldwaves">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Silvertide_goldwaves" title="Special:Log/Silvertide goldwaves">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Silvertide+goldwaves">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Silvertide_goldwaves" title="Special:Block/Silvertide goldwaves">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ASilvertide+goldwaves">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Silvertide_goldwaves&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3ASilvertide+goldwaves">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_4" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4</a></dd></dl> <p>Silvertide goldwaves made a large number of Israel-Palestine conflict edits prior to meeting the 30/500 requirement. While this was potentially an inadvertent breach, there were several other issues with the editing, much of which was highly partisan, and also contained misleading edit summaries like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netiv_HaShayara&diff=prev&oldid=1242407826">this</a>. </p><p>Although they have now passed the 30/500 threshold, their edits continue to be problematic. When some of their edits were reverted (by another editor who does not meet the 30/500 requirement), they reinstated them with disparaging edit summaries like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adamit&diff=prev&oldid=1243177954">this</a>. </p><p>I noticed some of their pre 30/500 edits today and undid them on the basis that they were ARBPIA violations. They then reinstated the edits with the same disparaging edit summary as mentioned above. I followed this up with a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASilvertide_goldwaves&diff=1243188925&oldid=1239069699">notice on their talkpage</a> and re-reverted a couple of their edits that I felt were of concern (and on the basis that the initial revert was exempt from ARBPIA4 on the basis that it was enforcing the extended confirmed restriction). </p><p>Despite now being aware of the 1RR restriction, they reverted for a second time with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hosen&diff=1243189375&oldid=1243189081">another disparaging edit summary</a>. They have since followed me to football-related articles that I have recently edited and deleted entire sections (e.g. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Worthing_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=1243189963">here</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eastern_Counties_Football_League&diff=prev&oldid=1243190160">here</a>). </p><p>While this initially looked like an ARBPIA sanction might be required, their most recent behaviour makes it look like it might be a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a> case. </p> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASilvertide_goldwaves&diff=1243191909&oldid=1243189140">here</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>In response to the comments below, my "allergy" to reliable sources is due to them not supporting the claims Silvertide goldwaves is using them to make. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shimshit&diff=prev&oldid=1243189682">Here</a> they claim that the source states that Shimshit is "Jewish-only". In fact the source describes them as Jewish but not Jewish-only, and more importantly, the Central Statistical Bureau's census figures for Shimshit (which can be downloaded from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cbs.gov.il/en/settlements/Pages/default.aspx?mode=Yeshuv">here</a> (just click on the Excel icon; Shimshit is row 1,232 in the resulting file)) confirm that it is not Jewish-only – it has a population of 2,441, of which 2,428 are Jews and 13 are non-Jews. The same is true for Givat Ela (which Silvertide <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Givat_Ela&diff=prev&oldid=1243188245">has also claimed</a> is Jewish-only; the census figures (row 268) show it to have a population of 1,896, of which 1,873 are Jewish, 4 are Arab and 18 are other). The latter contradicts their use of the source to claim the villages prevent Arabs from living in them. <a href="/wiki/User:Number_57" title="User:Number 57"><span style="color: orange;">Number</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Number_57" title="User talk:Number 57"><span style="color: green;">5</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Number_57" title="Special:Contributions/Number 57"><span style="color: blue;">7</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Number_57-20240831024700-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Number_57-20240831024700-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Number_57-20240831024700-Request_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831094300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831094300"></span>Discussion concerning Silvertide goldwaves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831094300"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span>Statement by Silvertide goldwaves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Silvertide_goldwaves-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span></h4></div> <p>"I noticed some of their pre 30/500 edits" which ones? Be specific. What is "problematic"? Be specific. Do not waste anyone's time by dancing around the heart of the matter - your allergy to inconvenient yet reliable, even academic sources - by operating in vagaries. </p><p>"Following" you or me is A-OK on Wikipedia, and unsourced information on Wikipedia should be removed. That I see pages you edit, that have unsourced information (potentially fiction), necessitates their removal. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Zero0000" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Zero0000-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831094300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Zero0000-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831094300"></span>Statement by Zero0000<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Zero0000-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831094300"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zero0000-20240831094300-Statement_by_Zero0000"></span>Silvertide goldwaves' edits have indeed been problematic, and I'm sorry I didn't turn on the fire hose earlier. The 500/30 violations need to be seen in the light of the absence of CT notification, but the poor sourcing and aggressive behavior are harder to excuse. I also disapprove of the mass removal rather than tagging of sourceable-but-unsourced information even though the rules allow it. Number 57's comments on "Jewish-only" communities don't work because there are many small communities in Israel with policies against Arab residents which nevertheless have a small number of such residents. This has been legal since 2014 <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.haaretz.com/2014-09-18/ty-article/.premium/court-allows-villages-to-veto-residents/0000017f-e5a1-df5f-a17f-ffff98fd0000">[45]</a> but I don't know the situation in the communities named here. Obviously that comes down to sourcing and it seems that SG's sources were not sufficient. I don't think SG is likely to be a good contributor in the near future, but (perhaps optimistically) a time-limited block might provide an opportunity to cool the enthusiasm and learn our policies and practices better. <a href="/wiki/User:Zero0000" title="User:Zero0000">Zero</a><sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zero0000" title="User talk:Zero0000">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Zero0000-20240831094300-Statement_by_Zero0000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zero0000-20240831094300-Statement_by_Zero0000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zero0000-20240831094300-Statement_by_Zero0000"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-20240901013000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-20240901013000"></span>Statement by Sean.hoyland<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-20240901013000"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20240901013000-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2"></span>Just an observation, but Silvertide goldwaves' editing appears to act as an ECR violating probable-sock magnet e.g. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GilbertGreich">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Sean.hoyland-20240901013000-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20240901013000-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20240901013000-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_7" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_7-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_7"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_7-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_7-Discussion_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831042200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831042200"></span>Result concerning Silvertide goldwaves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves-Silvertide_goldwaves-20240831042200"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newyorkbrad-20240831042200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>I see some significant concerns here, including the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">fixed typos</q> edit summaries for contentious substantive edits and the retaliatory deletion of uncontroversial material from unrelated football articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Newyorkbrad-20240831042200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-20240831042200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newyorkbrad-20240831042200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901132200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span>The poor edit summaries, both attacking an editor and inaccurately stating <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">fixed typos</q>, along with the general hostility leads me to believe they should be removed from the topic area. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901132200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901132200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901132200-Result_concerning_Silvertide_goldwaves"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200"></span>Arbitration enforcement action appeal by The Mountain of Eden<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><small><i>Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">here</a>. According to the procedures, a "clear and substantial consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.</i></small> </p><p><small><i>To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections<span class="nowrap"> </span>but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNINVOLVED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNINVOLVED">WP:UNINVOLVED</a>).</i></small> </p> <dl><dt>Appealing user</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User talk:The Mountain of Eden">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Contributions/The Mountain of Eden">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:DeletedContributions/The Mountain of Eden">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Log/The Mountain of Eden">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=The+Mountain+of+Eden">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Block/The Mountain of Eden">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AThe+Mountain+of+Eden">block log</a>)</span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Sanction being appealed</dt> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2024&diff=prev&oldid=1243098108">One week block from editing the article Mohammad Deif</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Administrator imposing the sanction</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Contributions/ScottishFinnishRadish">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/block/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Log/block/ScottishFinnishRadish">blocks</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/protect/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Log/protect/ScottishFinnishRadish">protections</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/delete/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Log/delete/ScottishFinnishRadish">deletions</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/move/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Log/move/ScottishFinnishRadish">page moves</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/rights/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Log/rights/ScottishFinnishRadish">rights</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ScottishFinnishRadish">RfA</a>)</span></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Notification of that administrator</dt> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish&diff=prev&oldid=1243381668">Diff of notification</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200"></span>Statement by The Mountain of Eden<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span>I was accused of violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:1RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:1RR">WP:1RR</a>. I did not. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammed_Deif&diff=prev&oldid=1243092819">I committed only one revert</a>. On my talk page, I explained that an edit that <a href="/wiki/User:Makeandtoss" title="User:Makeandtoss">Makeandtoss</a> accused me of being a revert is just a copyedit since I did not undo any other editor's edits. <br/> So far, <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> has refused to answer my repeated attempts to ask why I was blocked, both on my talk page, and their talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User talk:The Mountain of Eden">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901040200-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span> </p><p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&diff=prev&oldid=1243146011"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span>An univolved admin refused to unblock me on procedural grounds, and advised me to appeal here.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User talk:The Mountain of Eden">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000-Statement_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901132800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000"></span>I can't really write "I won't do that again" if I didn't do it the first time. The first edit that alleged a revert was not a revert. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User talk:The Mountain of Eden">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901132800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901132800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901132800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901041000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901130200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901130200"></span>Statement by ScottishFinnishRadish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901130200"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901130200-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish"></span>Negating the effect of an edit is a revert. There have been many long term edit wars over attribution, like the locus of this revert. The whole point of 1rr is to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring, and is a bright line. In this case the editor has already had an issue with 1rr and not recognizing a revert, and responding with hostility to the 1rr notification. </p><p>As for my responsiveness, I received around 40 alerts and notifications in the past 24 hours, and I have around 5400 pages on my watchlist. I don't see any ping from their talk page, just an unblock request that didn't generate a notification. The message on my talk page looks to be about 24 hours old. </p><p>Lastly, it would be nice to see one of these appeals say, "I won't do that again." <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish#top" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:Contributions/ScottishFinnishRadish">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901130200-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901130200-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240901130200-Statement_by_ScottishFinnishRadish"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901161200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901161200"></span>Statement by Sean.hoyland<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240901161200"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20240901161200-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3"></span>No one is going to like this idea because it's premised on the notion that certain events, like a block, should trigger a checkuser in PIA. An offer. If they pass a checkuser they can be unblocked. I'm curious whether the user would accept this kind of deal. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Sean.hoyland-20240901161200-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20240901161200-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20240901161200-Statement_by_Sean.hoyland_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Selfstudier_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240902222500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240902222500"></span>Statement by Selfstudier<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240902222500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20240902222500-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3"></span>Reported editor is not paying attention to their block anyway, see <a href="/wiki/Lehi_Street_bombing" title="Lehi Street bombing">Lehi Street bombing</a> (article created by sock on 24 August and substantially edited by edited by another on 2 September). <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Selfstudier-20240902222500-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20240902222500-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20240902222500-Statement_by_Selfstudier_3"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20240902223700-Selfstudier-20240902222500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a>:</span> Apologies, I got as far as "you have been blocked from editing Wikipedia for a period of 1 week" and assumed it was a full block. <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Selfstudier-20240902223700-Selfstudier-20240902222500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20240902223700-Selfstudier-20240902222500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20240902223700-Selfstudier-20240902222500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span>Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by The Mountain of Eden<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_among_uninvolved_editors_about_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden-Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. 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Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li>Sometimes I think that the ambiguity over what constitutes a revert or not for purposes of 1RR is just hopeless. I can readily understand why The Mountain of Eden perceives that the first edit listed did not constitute a revert, but I also understand why the party who originally complained thought it was. I'll allow some time for statements, especially from the blocking admin, before commenting further. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240903002300-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900"></span>I generally agree with this. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240903002300-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240903002300-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240903002300-Newyorkbrad-20240901064900"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240902223000-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a>:</span> I'm confused. The Mountain of Eden is only blocked from a single page. Are you suggesting that Lehi Street bombing socks are also The Mountain (Icewhiz)? <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Barkeep49-20240902223000-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240902223000-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240902223000-Result_of_the_appeal_by_The_Mountain_of_Eden"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AVoid+if+removed">block log</a>)</span><p><span class="plainlinks">Search CT alerts<a href="/wiki/Template:Contentious_topics/log" title="Template:Contentious topics/log">:</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Void_if_removed&action=history&tagfilter=contentious+topics+alert">in user talk history</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3AVoid+if+removed">in system log</a></span></p></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt>Sanction or remedy to be enforced</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_and_sexuality" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality</a></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dt><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">Diffs</a> of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation <i>how</i> these edits violate it</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Void_if_removed&diff=prev&oldid=1132804830#Behaviour">14:25, 10 January 2023</a> Early warning by another user following their recent edit warring block (linked below) in the CTOP area and a COI warning by another user just prior due to the appearance of the user being here for promotion of a singular topic</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Society_for_Evidence-Based_Gender_Medicine&diff=prev&oldid=1150114662">11:21, 16 April 2023</a> POV pushing</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gender-critical_feminism&diff=prev&oldid=1179960546">15:45, 13 October 2023</a> POV, removal of historic context of TERF movement</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2023_October#TERF_(acronym)" title="Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2023 October">13:57, 13 October 2023</a> Further attempts to try to whitewash Gender critical feminism of its origins</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:TERF_(acronym)/Archive_4#c-Void_if_removed-20231015221900-Amanda_A._Brant-20231015161600">22:19, 15 October 2023</a> More POV attempts trying to remove GCF from its TERF origins</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TERF_(acronym)&diff=prev&oldid=1181203046">14:53, 21 October 2023</a> More POV attempts trying to whitewash Gender Criticam feminism, removal of RS</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Society_for_Evidence-Based_Gender_Medicine&diff=prev&oldid=1191247000">11:10, 22 December 2023</a> Another POV attempt at deleting the hate group designation as they will try again below in June 2024</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conversion_therapy&diff=prev&oldid=1192822266">14:31, 31 December 2023</a> NPOV trying to whitewash <a href="/wiki/Conversion_therapy#Gender_exploratory_therapy" title="Conversion therapy">Conversion therapy#Gender exploratory therapy</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=1200367777">10:05, 29 January 2024</a> POV removal of pseudoscience note (ignoring the invisible <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRINGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRINGE">WP:FRINGE</a> editor note)</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Society_for_Evidence-Based_Gender_Medicine&diff=prev&oldid=1227449952">19:58, 5 June 2024</a> POV removal of RS they take personal offense with, repeating the removal they also attempted in December 2023</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genspect&diff=prev&oldid=1227580423">16:11, 6 June 2024</a> POV, Repeat removal of the same RS content from another article</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TERF_(acronym)&diff=prev&oldid=1230296231">21:57, 21 June 2024</a> POV removal of RS of the historic evolvement of TERF and GCF terms</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy#c-Void_if_removed-20240610105900-Turban's_claims_about_sex_ratio">10:59, 10 June 2024</a> POV promotion of furthering the same fringe theories</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy#c-Void_if_removed-20240708154600-Another_source">15:46, 8 July 2024</a> More continuation of the same FRINGE POV pushing, RGW disruption as called out by other editors</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Puberty_blocker&diff=prev&oldid=1243234898">08:57, 31 August 2024</a> POV removal of medical organizations criticizing the Cass Review</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#c-Void_if_removed-20240830081400-Raladic-20240822174300">08:14, 30 August 2024</a> It seems they now decided to start <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOUNDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOUNDING">WP:HOUNDING</a> me personally and get involved in articles they have had <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/topedits/en.wikipedia.org/Void%20if%20removed/1/World%20Professional%20Association%20for%20Transgender%20Health">no prior involvement in</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies&diff=prev&oldid=1243239259">09:48, 31 August 2024</a> More <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOUNDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOUNDING">WP:HOUNDING</a> to the list, commenting on a project <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/topedits/en.wikipedia.org/Void%20if%20removed/5/WikiProject%20LGBT%20studies">they have never shown interest before</a> and accusing me of canvassing on a discussion they also have never shown any involvement with</li></ol> <dl><dt>Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Void_if_removed&diff=prev&oldid=1128385508">21:45, 19 December 2022‎</a> Edit warring block in CTOP area</li></ol> <dl><dt>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics" title="Wikipedia:Contentious topics">contentious topics restrictions</a> are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP#Awareness_of_contentious_topics" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics</a>)</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Void_if_removed&diff=prev&oldid=1135211680">08:57, 23 January 2023</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Void_if_removed#c-Void_if_removed-20240608221400-Zenomonoz-20240608105300">22:14, 8 June 2024</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Additional comments by editor filing complaint</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <p>This user has shown a continuous repeated pattern of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TENDENTIOUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TENDENTIOUS">WP:TENDENTIOUS</a> editing and arguing with users. Their editing appears to be a pattern of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPA">WP:SPA</a> with the sole intent of furthering Gender criticism feminism as a non-fringe movement and erasure of its origins, as well as the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">WP:PROMOTION</a> of their personal beliefs and Gender critical organizations (for which they also received a COI warning by another user over a year ago, which was just deleted without addressing it). </p><p>The user appears to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a> to build an encyclopedia, but instead only to promote their personal beliefs/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">WP:POVs</a> (many of which have been in opposition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HID">WP:HID</a>) on this and continuous arguing with any editors that fall into the trap of trying to do so. Of their 1,500 edits, only <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec-namespacetotals/en.wikipedia.org/Void%20if%20removed">28% of their edits have actually been to the mainspace</a>, of which <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.wikiscan.org/user/Void%20if%20removed">at least 33% had to be reverted by other users</a>(at least the ones tagged with mw-revert, likely many more that were manual reverts) due to (as the above Diffs give a bit of a highlight of and were reverted content) continuous <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">WP:POV</a> pushing. As the above diff history shows, this isn't a single once off, but at this point, a two year long, steady pattern of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISRUPTIVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISRUPTIVE">WP:DISRUPTIVE</a> editing, much of which <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec-namespacetotals/en.wikipedia.org/Void%20if%20removed">the majority of their editing has been in talk page arguing</a>. It is especially egregious that some of their editing is (trying to) remove the same things again, months after they were previously reverted. At this point, I do not believe that these arguments, or the edits to the main space (much of which was reverted POV pushing) are a productive addition to the project, so I request a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOPICBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOPICBAN">WP:TOPICBAN</a> from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GENSEX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GENSEX">WP:GENSEX</a> topics, broadly construed. </p> <dl><dt>Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Void_if_removed#Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion" title="User talk:Void if removed">AE notice given</a></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-Void_if_removed-20240903003600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-Void_if_removed-20240903003600"></span>Discussion concerning Void if removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-Void_if_removed-20240903003600"></span></h3></div> <p><small><i>Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 <a href="/wiki/Word_count#Software" title="Word count">words</a> and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br/>Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Void_if_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Void_if_removed-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Void_if_removed-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"></span>Statement by Void if removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Void_if_removed-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_Silver_seren" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Silver_seren-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-20240903003600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Silver_seren-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-20240903003600"></span>Statement by Silver_seren<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Silver_seren-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed-20240903003600"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silver_seren-20240903003600-Statement_by_Silver_seren"></span>Saw this, thought I should just pop in here as an old source to note that the POV pushing in regards to Void if removed's editing started from the very beginning of their account in 2021 and involved me. Their <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sir_Ewan_Forbes,_11th_Baronet&diff=prev&oldid=1059182047">first edits</a> were to start tendentiously arguing that <a href="/wiki/Sir_Ewan_Forbes,_11th_Baronet" title="Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet">Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet</a> didn't count as being transgender, despite what the references said. They also began edit warring about that on the book article I had recently made about Forbes, <i><a href="/wiki/The_Hidden_Case_of_Ewan_Forbes" title="The Hidden Case of Ewan Forbes">The Hidden Case of Ewan Forbes</a></i>. They then disappeared for almost a year and then popped up at <a href="/wiki/Mermaids_(charity)" title="Mermaids (charity)">Mermaids (charity)</a> in September 2022 to start pushing more of their same topic POV edits. And that has been the entirety of their editing ever since. In their three years, they <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Void%20if%20removed">have made</a> two articles, a <a href="/wiki/Rebecca_Wait" title="Rebecca Wait">short author stub</a> and <a href="/wiki/Cass_Review" title="Cass Review">Cass Review</a>, which continues the same topic area issues. <a href="/wiki/User:Silver_seren" title="User:Silver seren"><span style="color: dimgrey;">Silver</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silver_seren" title="User talk:Silver seren"><span style="color: blue;">seren</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Silver_seren" title="Special:Contributions/Silver seren">C</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Silver_seren-20240903003600-Statement_by_Silver_seren" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silver_seren-20240903003600-Statement_by_Silver_seren"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silver_seren-20240903003600-Statement_by_Silver_seren"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Statement_by_(username)_8" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_(username)_8-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"><span id="Statement_by_.28username.29_8"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_(username)_8-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"></span>Statement by (username)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_(username)_8-Discussion_concerning_Void_if_removed"></span></h4></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Result_concerning_Void_if_removed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Result_concerning_Void_if_removed-Void_if_removed"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Result_concerning_Void_if_removed-Void_if_removed"></span>Result concerning Void if removed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Result_concerning_Void_if_removed-Void_if_removed"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><i>This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. 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