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Plus: The latest on Musk’s whirlwind makeover of Washington.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68431?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68431?in=1:37&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68422?in=1:57&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-02-18-wright-belrose.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68422?in=1:57&out=">Interpreting AI’s Acceleration</a></h1><h2>Robert Wright and Nora Belrose of EleutherAI discuss the pace of AI development and its impacts. Plus: how chain-of-thought works, AI “thinking” vs human thinking, how near we are to singularity, and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68422?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68422?in=1:57&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68412?in=2:04&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-02-12-echols-jackson.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68412?in=2:04&out=">The Perils of a New Cold War</a></h1><h2>Connor Echols and Van Jackson, co-author of The Rivalry Peril, discuss the US-China “cold war”—its origins, its consequences, how it echoes the mistakes of the first Cold War, and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68412?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68412?in=2:04&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68405?in=1:34&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-02-12-wright-bloom.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68405?in=1:34&out=">Canada vs Trump, OpenAI vs Google (and Musk)</a></h1><h2>Robert Wright and psychologist Paul Bloom discuss Trump’s unifying effect on Canada, a (game) theory of Musk, the Super Bowl’s AI ad champion, and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68405?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68405?in=1:34&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68392?in=3:12&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-02-07-echols-wright.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68392?in=3:12&out=">Trump’s Shock-and-Awe: Madness or Method?</a></h1><h2>Connor Echols and Robert Wright discuss the USAID cuts, Trump’s plans for Gaza, OpenAI’s new Deep Research function, the impact of Trump’s tariffs on US power, and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68392?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68392?in=3:12&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68379?in=3:21&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-01-30-wright-goldberg.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68379?in=3:21&out=">Trump vs International Law</a></h1><h2>Mark Leon Goldberg of the Global Dispatches newsletter and Robert Wright discuss how global governance could look under Trump 2.0. Plus: highs and lows of the post-Cold War UN; ICC and ICJ 101; why the WHO matters; and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68379?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68379?in=3:21&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68366?in=5:54&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-01-29-wright-bloom.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68366?in=5:54&out=">DeepSeek-R1: Salvo or olive branch?</a></h1><h2>Robert Wright and psychologist Paul Bloom discuss the geopolitical implications of China’s new advanced LLM.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68366?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68366?in=5:54&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><div class="program-slug-plus-screenshot"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68353?in=1:18&out="><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-01-22-wright-beinart.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div></div><div class="feature-head-plus-deck"><h1><a href="/videos/68353?in=1:18&out=">An American Jew Reflects on Gaza</a></h1><h2>Robert Wright and Peter Beinart discuss Peter’s new book, Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68353?in=00:01">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68353?in=1:18&out=">Play this clip</a></div></div></div> </div> <!-- END MIDDLE COLUMN --> </div> <!-- DISPLAY SECONDARY FEATURES IN THE RIGHT COLUMN --> <div id="rightcolumn"> <div class="feature-list"> <div class="feature landscape"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><h1><a href="/videos/68447?in=0:48&out=" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','title');">Hockey, Trump, and Other US-Canada Issues</a></h1><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68447?in=0:48&out=" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','screenshot');"><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-02-26-wright-bloom.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div><h2>Robert Wright and psychologist Paul Bloom discuss whether Trump represents America, Canada’s worthwhile anti-Elon initiative, a “fix” for hockey fights, the essence of James Bond, and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68447?in=00:01" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','play_entire_video');">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68447?in=0:48&out=" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','play_this_clip');">Play this clip</a></div></div><div class="feature landscape"><a href="/programs/wrightshow"><h3 class="program-slug">Nonzero (The Wright Show)</h3></a><h1><a href="/videos/68440?in=2:09&out=" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','title');">Trump 2.0 and the Law</a></h1><div class="play-icon-group"><a href="/videos/68440?in=2:09&out=" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','screenshot');"><img class="play-icon" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/graphics.nonzero/play-icon.png" alt="play" /><img class="landscape" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/screenshots.bloggingheads.tv/bhtv-2025-02-24-wright-goldsmith.jpg" alt="video screenshot" /></a></div><h2>Robert Wright and legal scholar Jack Goldsmith discuss the Pentagon and DOJ purges, the Musk chaos, the coming SCOTUS test of “unitary executive theory,” the role of laws and norms in sustaining democracy, and more.</h2><div class="button-line"><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68440?in=00:01" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','play_entire_video');">Play entire video</a><a class="play-button" href="/videos/68440?in=2:09&out=" onclick="ga('send', 'event', 'feature', 'feature_click','play_this_clip');">Play this clip</a></div></div><div id="facebook"> <div id="fb-root"></div> <div class="fb-page" data-href="https://www.facebook.com/bloggingheads/" data-tabs="timeline" data-width="300" data-height="70" data-small-header="true" data-adapt-container-width="true" data-hide-cover="false" data-show-facepile="false"> 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