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Kilobyte means 1024 bytes. What were the IEC thinking making another term to mean 1024 bytes, they should have made a term to mean 1000 bytes and shamed drive manufacturers into using that. Then there wouldn't be any confusion and there would be two clearly defined words. But now kilobyte is still just as ambiguous and we have this other word that no-one really uses because it's redundant.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/115.188.135.11" title="Special:Contributions/115.188.135.11">115.188.135.11</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:115.188.135.11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:115.188.135.11 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-115.188.135.11-2012-12-13T03:22:00.000Z-Unnamed_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> How do you pronounce "kibibyte"? Is it "Kee Bee Bite" or "Kib Bee Bite" or something else? Perhaps a pronounciation guide is advised. <dl><dd>No one actually pronounces it. If and when people start using this, a common pronunciation will develop.</dd></dl> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:154.20.205.22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:154.20.205.22 (page does not exist)">154.20.205.22</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-154.20.205.22-2005-09-13T05:04:00.000Z-Unnamed_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>KiBi stands for Kilo Binary, that may help. It's probably not really meant to pronounced in its abbreviated form. There will be a difference anyway depending on what's your native tongue. "Euro" is pronounced differently in different states of Europe as well. The same applies to Kilo, Mega, Giga etc. which are pronounced quite different by English and German speakers. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:82.141.58.95&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:82.141.58.95 (page does not exist)">82.141.58.95</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-82.141.58.95-2005-11-30T23:56:00.000Z-154.20.205.22-2005-09-13T05:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I'm pretty sure the standard says that you pronounce the first syllable how you would if it where kilo (&c), and the next syllable as be. Therefore, kibi would be /kiːbiː/ (or /kibi/ in the US). That's the way I'd naturally pronounce it anyway. <dl><dd>Where are you getting your IPA symbols? I'm from the US, and "kilo" is pronounced with a short "i". That makes it /'kɪ•bi:/. (Please don't forget to indicate stress.) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bostoner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bostoner (page does not exist)">Bostoner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bostoner" title="User talk:Bostoner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Bostoner-2009-09-06T20:49:00.000Z-82.141.58.95-2005-11-30T23:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Also, FTR, it isn't an abbreviated form. We may know it is derived from kilo binary, but the standard just says kibi (and talking about kilo-binary-bytes would doubtless cause more confusion than already exists).</dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Joeblakesley" title="User:Joeblakesley">Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joeblakesley" title="User talk:Joeblakesley">talk</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/joeblakesley" title="Special:Contributions/joeblakesley">contrib</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Joeblakesley-2006-02-28T00:23:00.000Z-82.141.58.95-2005-11-30T23:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I really gotta learn how to read those IPA symbols. For the record, I'm from the midwestern U.S. and I would pronounce it like... well like how you'd expect "kibby" to be pronounced. Kind of like a girl's nickname or something. <a href="/wiki/User:VidTheKid" title="User:VidTheKid">Vid the Kid - Does this font make me look fat?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-VidTheKid-2006-08-14T16:29:00.000Z-Joeblakesley-2006-02-28T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> If KiBi means kilo binary, shouldn't it stand for 1000 bits? <dl><dd>No, you should understand "kilo binary" as "a binary number that is close to kilo" ;-)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Wouldn't that be a <a href="/wiki/Kilobit" class="mw-redirect" title="Kilobit">kilobit</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:WalrusMan118" title="User:WalrusMan118">WalrusMan118</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-WalrusMan118-2007-03-21T18:22:00.000Z-Unnamed_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> In SI, kilo is abbreviated to a mere k. Isn't kibi abbreviated to "ki" rather than "Ki"? <dl><dd>Well. I stand corrected from the references on <a href="/wiki/Binary_prefix" title="Binary prefix">Binary prefix</a>. Shame though.</dd></dl> Regarding the gigabyte vs gibibyte, that is a substantial difference, which quite disappointed a friend of mine once. I have noticed that it seems to be common practice to advertize hard disk capacity in a unit called GB with a footnote defining it as "Billion Bytes". Maybe this should be noted in the article. Personally, I think if you say "gigabyte" or any other -byte unit, the 2n interpretation should be assumed, meaning separate -bibyte units shouldn't be necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:VidTheKid" title="User:VidTheKid">Vid the Kid - Does this font make me look fat?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-VidTheKid-2006-08-14T16:29:00.000Z-Unnamed_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>It also should be noted that the difference between the binary sizes and the decimal ones becomes larger when the sizes grow. So the problem will worsen. Adding this to the article, with a link to <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#Deviation_between_binary_and_decimal_interpretations">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#Deviation_between_binary_and_decimal_interpretations</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orafu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orafu (page does not exist)">Orafu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orafu" title="User talk:Orafu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Orafu-2009-10-29T17:05:00.000Z-VidTheKid-2006-08-14T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><h2 id="Need_for_Kibibyte" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_for_Kibibyte-2006-12-28T08:38:00.000Z">Need for Kibibyte</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Need for Kibibyte" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-71' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Orafu-2009-10-29T16:58:00.000Z-Need_for_Kibibyte">15 years ago</a>19 comments17 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> I cannot conceive of any reason for special consideration in the computer realm for changing the meaning of the kilo prefix to mean 1,024 versus 1,000. Just because memory comes in quantities of powers of two does NOT mean this special dispensation for marketers is justified. A company I once was employed by sensibly took the decimal number of kilowords (in that context, it was words rather than bytes) and divided by 1,000. Thus 524,288 words was quoted as 524K words. Simple, easy, everybody did it and understood it.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:72.75.86.192&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:72.75.86.192 (page does not exist)">72.75.86.192</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-72.75.86.192-2006-12-28T08:38:00.000Z-Need_for_Kibibyte" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> Personally, I think this word is silly. The only place where "kilobyte" means anything OTHER than "1024 bytes" (and megabyte meaning 1048576 bytes and so on) is in quoting storage capacity, and (IMO) disk marketers just did that to inflate their numbers. I resist using this unnatural word to overcome a language flaw created by a marketing department to inflate perceived hard disk capacity. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:24.6.224.12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:24.6.224.12 (page does not exist)">24.6.224.12</a> <dl><dd>When people have to calculate binary sizes, as a programmer or similar, you want to be exact, and it is much easier to refer to powers of two than to have to round the result. If you take four times the size of 524 kilowords, the result is not 2096 kilowords, but 2097 kilowords. Also, in technical papers people tend to be more exact, and it is useful to have an exact unit. Admittedly, in conversations it is sometimes easier to refer to "binary kilobytes" or "power-of-two kilobytes" that to "kibibytes". But the reason often is that the term "kibibytes" is not yet used that often. Also, the notation "kiB" is not perfect, because it does not really remind you of the correct pronounciation, or the meaning of the term. Still, it is the best notation of the proposed ones. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orafu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orafu (page does not exist)">Orafu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orafu" title="User talk:Orafu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Orafu-2009-10-29T16:58:00.000Z-Need_for_Kibibyte" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Never_heard_of_it" data-mw-thread-id="h-Never_heard_of_it-Need_for_Kibibyte-2007-01-20T18:06:00.000Z">Never heard of it</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Never heard of it" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> 25 years heavily involved in computers and electronics, widely read, and a degree in Electronic Engineering, and I've never come across this term before. Kilo, Mega, and Giga bytes always referred to the tenth, twentieth, and thirtieth powers of 2, because anything else is impossible to work with when you are using binary addressing. —The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.118.76.130" title="Special:Contributions/192.118.76.130">192.118.76.130</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:192.118.76.130" title="User talk:192.118.76.130">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-192.118.76.130-2007-01-20T18:06:00.000Z-Never_heard_of_it" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)</a>.<span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The reason it was established is largely that manufacuturers of memory and storage realized they could better market their drives in decimal kilobytes (now gigabytes). Kibibytes, gibibytes, etc are entirely unambiguous and can't be fudged. For an example, see the page for the Mac Pro where the fine print says "(1) 1GB = 1 billion bytes" <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=2CB5E8C0&nclm=MacPro">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=2CB5E8C0&nclm=MacPro</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:142.157.192.86&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:142.157.192.86 (page does not exist)">142.157.192.86</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-142.157.192.86-2007-02-04T07:11:00.000Z-192.118.76.130-2007-01-20T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I have never heard of it either, I think it makes pages such as the page for the Macintosh unnecessarily confusing. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Darwin16&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Darwin16 (page does not exist)">Darwin16</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Darwin16-2007-01-24T16:12:00.000Z-142.157.192.86-2007-02-04T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The only place I've ever seen "kibibyte"/etc used has been on Wikipedia. It's true that HD manufacturers use powers-of-ten for advertising reasons - ok, why does that mean we have to change (and it is a change) all of our terminology? The two meanings can co-exist, or pressure can be put on them to change. Even memory manufacturers don't play this game. All "kibibyte" does is confuse people. 23 years professional experience here, ~20 years of reading EETimes.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Wikipedia is supposed to document topics, not be a vehicle for changing terminology. This strikes me as a crusade. — <a href="/wiki/User:Jesup" title="User:Jesup">jesup</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Jesup-2007-02-14T04:29:00.000Z-Darwin16-2007-01-24T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Agreed. Regardless of whether anyone thinks that "kibibytes" are a good idea or not, they are not conventional in any context, anywhere on earth. The convention in deceptive advertising is to refer to thousands of bytes as kilobytes. The convention everywhere else (academically, professionally, journalistically) is to refer to powers of two under those SI prefix names. Of those two, the latter (standardising on professional consensus, rather than on deceptive advertising practices) is clearly the preferable convention on Wikipedia or anywhere else. But regardless, standardising on a term which no one uses, which has been invented to emulate the terminology of deceptive advertising, is ridiculous. This is an extremely silly crusade. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yst" title="User:Yst">Yst</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Yst-2007-03-06T21:10:00.000Z-Jesup-2007-02-14T04:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Silly or not, if you're objecting to the use of 'kibibyte' in Wikipedia articles, this is not the right place to try to change that. BTW, 'kilobyte' may be the convention, but it's also wrong — The International System of Units makes this explicit (see <a href="/wiki/Binary_prefix#_note-BIPM" title="Binary prefix">Binary prefix#_note-BIPM</a>). While I appreciate what you're saying, using SI prefixes incorrectly throughout an entire encyclopedia is at least as silly. --<a href="/wiki/User:StuartBrady" title="User:StuartBrady">StuartBrady</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StuartBrady" title="User talk:StuartBrady">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-StuartBrady-2007-03-07T21:46:00.000Z-Jesup-2007-02-14T04:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This is not the place to change it: true, the place is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MOS">WT:MOS</a> - but if you try to make the argument there, the editors who make MoS issues (and the correction thereof on Wikipedia) their life will tell you it's all been discussed before and consensus is that you're wrong, and it's not open for further discussion or change because the editors who made the consensus can't deal with the continuous trickle of annoyed editors and users who've run into this coming to complain. Which in a way is true: each (talk) page on WP develops consensus on issues based on the active editors thereof and those who actively monitor the page. The problem is that guideline articles are inhabited by (and consensus is "made" by) those who make said guideline a major aspect of what they do on Wikipedia, while those articles indirectly affect many or all other articles - but the editors of all those affected articles only get involved in guideline pages when someone uses a guideline to override "consensus" of page editors. And I use "override" specifically. There are positives and negatives to this: it avoids "me and my friends like doing everything our way", but it also (in cases like this) leaves a bad taste in the mouth of serious editors. This has cropped up multiple times: this issue here; on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL">WP:EL</a> with youtube links and a small cadre of editors removing almost all links (often including links to videos that are not copyvios), etc — <a href="/wiki/User:Jesup" title="User:Jesup">jesup</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Jesup-2007-03-27T05:13:00.000Z-Darwin16-2007-01-24T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Opinions clearly differ on this. As in other cases where people may have different approaches and opinions on what is right (e.g. spelling color or colour, or saying a person is English or British), I take the view that changing existing articles is provocative, and revert them. <a href="/wiki/User:Notinasnaid" title="User:Notinasnaid">Notinasnaid</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Notinasnaid-2007-03-07T22:45:00.000Z-142.157.192.86-2007-02-04T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>I also had never heard of kibibyte until I found somebody had edited my <a href="/wiki/Notepad%2B" title="Notepad+">Notepad+</a> article and was about to revert the vandalism when I saw it referred to the Manual of Style. Another pointless thing which WP is trying to use to rule the world. In the context of that article (referring to a limitation in the original MS <a href="/wiki/Notepad" class="mw-redirect" title="Notepad">Notepad</a>) it is totally irrelevant as the difference in bytes is trivial compared with 'unlimited'. Let's stop this nonsence <a href="/wiki/User:Dsergeant" title="User:Dsergeant">Dsergeant</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Dsergeant-2007-03-26T06:09:00.000Z-192.118.76.130-2007-01-20T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> But a restriction of 64 decimal kilobytes wouldn't make much sense, would it? The fact that it's a power of two is relevant to the discussion. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-03-27T00:03:00.000Z-Never_heard_of_it" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Nobody names 1000 bytes a kilobyte. Who and where introduced the term "Kibibyte"? I am programmer since 1991, and I never heard of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Alone_Coder" title="User:Alone Coder">Alone Coder</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>First of all Yes, they do name 1000 bytes kilobytes. (do we need to cite sources in Talk pages? ;) Second of all, I'm curious, you either figure you know everything, or things don't change. Which is it? <a href="/wiki/User:Equant" title="User:Equant">Equant</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Equant-2007-06-14T12:20:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-03-27T00:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>First of all, whom do you mean by 'they'? Second, I've said what I said, nothing more. Third, a small research. Following the only reference in this wiki article, I found some popular article, which gives a link to IEC 60027-2 <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://domino.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/artnum/026554">[1]</a> - address reporting an error. IEC web store does not contain any "IEC 60027-2" string. Try yourself: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.iec.ch/cgi-bin/procgi.pl/www/iecwww.p?wwwlang=E&wwwprog=seabox1.p&seabox1=IEC+60027-2&submit=OK">[2]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Alone_Coder" title="User:Alone Coder">Alone Coder</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Alone_Coder-2007-09-10T16:55:00.000Z-Equant-2007-06-14T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I have been programming since 1982, and never heard of a Kibibyte; until today. That's why I came to Wikipedia. The Ubuntu bug report system uses the abbreviation "KiB" and I wanted to know what it was. Those of you saying this page shouldn't exist are wrong. Just because this convention (and resulting article) exists, doesn't mean you have to use it or like it. <a href="/wiki/User:Equant" title="User:Equant">Equant</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Equant-2007-06-14T12:20:00.000Z-Alone_Coder-2007-09-10T16:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The whole kibi thing is nonsensical, confusing, and possibly immoral. Is Microsoft behind this?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gmuir&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gmuir (page does not exist)">Gmuir</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Gmuir-2007-08-07T23:40:00.000Z-Equant-2007-06-14T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Agreed, I move for deletion on grounds of inconsequentiality. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zaphodb777&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zaphodb777 (page does not exist)">Zaphodb777</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zaphodb777&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Zaphodb777 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Zaphodb777-2008-03-21T12:03:00.000Z-Alone_Coder-2007-09-10T16:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Ubuntu uses both KiB and MiB extensively; look at your System Monitor. I'm not sure if this is the thing with all Linux distributions or not, though I'm quite curious to get some feedback if anyone is using a different distro. More on the topic, these haven't hit mainstream yet, but it looks as though they're here to stay. Just look at <a href="/wiki/IEEE_1541" title="IEEE 1541">IEEE 1541</a>. If anyone can find what the ISO has said about this, please let me know. <a href="/wiki/User:Crmadsen" title="User:Crmadsen">Crmadsen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crmadsen" title="User talk:Crmadsen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Crmadsen-2008-07-01T05:02:00.000Z-Equant-2007-06-14T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>HEY GUYS! Remember what the article explicitly mentions about who defined the damn unit: "...established by The International Electrotechnical Commission in 2000." Take a look at this: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.iec.ch/zone/si/si_bytes.htm">When is a kilobyte a kibibyte? And an MB an MiB?</a> In my personal view, the traditional KB = 1024 bytes, etc. customary definition, even if not quite correct, was clear, unambiguous, and useful enough. Hard disk manufacturers should have been forbidden to corrupt the terminology as they did, using deceitful tactics. Regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:AVM" title="User:AVM">AVM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AVM" title="User talk:AVM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-AVM-2008-09-26T22:33:00.000Z-Equant-2007-06-14T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><h2 id="Toyabyte" data-mw-thread-id="h-Toyabyte-2007-02-09T14:29:00.000Z">Toyabyte</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Toyabyte" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-72' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kewlito-2007-02-09T14:29:00.000Z-Toyabyte">17 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> Why toyabyte is named the same in both conventions if it has the higher difference ? (10^27 vs 2^90) --<a href="/wiki/User:Kewlito" title="User:Kewlito">Kewlito</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Kewlito-2007-02-09T14:29:00.000Z-Toyabyte" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><h2 id="Weasel_byte?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Weasel_byte?-2007-03-09T07:28:00.000Z"><s>Weasel byte?</s></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Weasel byte?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-73' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lambiam-2007-03-09T08:51:00.000Z-Lambiam-2007-03-09T07:28:00.000Z">17 years ago</a>2 comments1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <s>Who has heard of a "weasel byte"? Only 4 Google hits, none of which are clearly about what is described here. Selling 1000 bytes as one KB is the weaselly thing, and 1024 bytes is fine, so if anything this is also the wrong way around. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lambiam" title="User talk:Lambiam">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Lambiam-2007-03-09T07:28:00.000Z-Weasel_byte?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a></s><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Since I wrote the above, the section this referred to has been deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lambiam" title="User talk:Lambiam">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Lambiam-2007-03-09T08:51:00.000Z-Lambiam-2007-03-09T07:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><h2 id="Linguistically" data-mw-thread-id="h-Linguistically-2009-09-06T20:49:00.000Z">Linguistically</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Linguistically" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-74' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Bostoner-2009-09-06T20:49:00.000Z-Linguistically">15 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> Language is a convention. Words mean what native speakers actually use and understand them to mean. So far as I can tell from my usage and from the usage of other native speakers, "kilobyte" is perceived to mean 1024 bytes, and there are good reasons for this usage. <ol> <li>It more closely reflects how computer storage is actually allocated and used.</li> <li>It is also how every computer I have every used reports storage capacity and availability.</li> <li>Since the vast majority of users see storage reported on their computers much more often than they buy storage, it is the meaning they encounter most often.</li> <li>The only time I ever see "kilobyte" used to mean 1000 bytes is in marketing, and even then RAM is still measured in powers of 2, because measuring it in powers would be too awkward, requiring the use of fractional amounts in something that is perceived as a count noun.</li> </ol> It would be less confusing for users if storage makers used terms like "20 billion bytes" instead of "20 GB." For my own purposes, I use "marketing kilobytes" or mKB for 1000 bytes, though I'm sure this would never catch on. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bostoner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bostoner (page does not exist)">Bostoner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bostoner" title="User talk:Bostoner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Bostoner-2009-09-06T20:49:00.000Z-Linguistically" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><h2 id="Merge" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge-2007-03-29T08:30:00.000Z">Merge</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Merge" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-75' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Enric_Naval-2014-08-21T13:32:00.000Z-KieferSkunk-2007-08-15T20:40:00.000Z">10 years ago</a>15 comments8 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> Can we centralize this discussion somewhere for all the articles? — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:45:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> Merging this would be silly at this time <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:169.252.4.21&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:169.252.4.21 (page does not exist)">169.252.4.21</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-169.252.4.21-2007-03-29T08:30:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> The article is good at it is. A merging would cause more confusion. ~Anonymous 24, April 2007 <dl><dd>These unit articles have very little content in them that isn't already in other articles. They should all be merged into something. Maybe <a href="/w/index.php?title=Units_of_computer_storage&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Units of computer storage (page does not exist)">Units of computer storage</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Units_of_data&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Units of data (page does not exist)">Units of data</a>? — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-04-24T21:57:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>I observe the merge was done today without consensus. I undid it. One key reason is that many articles link to the unit name in the context of using it. The term is certainly unfamiliar to many, and this article helps by providing a focussed discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Notinasnaid" title="User:Notinasnaid">Notinasnaid</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Notinasnaid-2007-05-07T11:13:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-04-24T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Yeah. If the merge is going to be done it needs to be done right. For one, each unit should have a section or separate definition, and the individual articles should redirect to each definition using anchor tags, so that people can link like <a href="/wiki/Kibibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Kibibyte">KiB</a> and go right to the definition. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:33:00.000Z-Notinasnaid-2007-05-07T11:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Binary_prefix" title="Binary prefix">Binary prefix</a> contains all the information in this article, and then some. It's not really useful to have fifteen articles on the same topic. Note how this article is essentially similar to <a href="/wiki/Mebibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Mebibyte">mebibyte</a> and <a href="/wiki/Gibibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Gibibyte">gibibyte</a>. This article is not a focused discussion, and causes confusion through divergence from other articles containing the same information. Wikipedia has redirects for a reason. It is perfectly reasonable for a link "<a href="/wiki/Kibibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Kibibyte">kibibyte</a>" to point to a page explaining such kibibytes, without requiring that that is the title of the page. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Radiant!" title="User talk:Radiant!">>Radiant<</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Radiant!-2007-05-07T12:11:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-04-24T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>You wrote "This article is not a focused discussion, and causes confusion through divergence from other articles containing the same information." What is the specific confusion that it causes? <a href="/wiki/User:Notinasnaid" title="User:Notinasnaid">Notinasnaid</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Notinasnaid-2007-05-10T17:39:00.000Z-Radiant!-2007-05-07T12:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>For myself, I don't think it causes confusion, but it duplicates the same content needlessly eight times and allows the articles to evolve in an inconsistent manner. The definitions and abbreviations for each unit only take up a few lines. The rest of the articles are just background information, which would be better presented in a single place. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:45:00.000Z-Notinasnaid-2007-05-10T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>I think that KB and KiB deserves their own article because they are confusing binary prefixes. They are part of a scientific system that strive to avoid confusion and instead brought ambiguity. So I think that they deserve a particular article, instead of concentrating the discussion in the <a href="/wiki/Binary_prefix" title="Binary prefix">binary prefix</a> article. Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Loudenvier" title="User:Loudenvier">Loudenvier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Loudenvier-2007-05-10T16:45:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-04-24T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Their definitions would be exactly the same, just combined into a single article that explains the issue all in one place. And, for the record, the ambiguity has always been there. :-) — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:33:00.000Z-Loudenvier-2007-05-10T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I have to make a clarification: KiB has no ambiguity, only KB is ambiguous. It would be nice to have a separate article about the ambiguity of KB (and MB etc) and the introduction of the "i" prefixes (KiB, etc). Perhaps a separate article for each prefix is really redundant, although an article about the reasoning behind the new "i" prefixes is not. <a href="/wiki/User:Loudenvier" title="User:Loudenvier">Loudenvier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Loudenvier-2007-05-11T17:11:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>KiB has no ambiguity, only KB is ambiguous. <dl><dd>Right.</dd> <dd>Wrong. KB has no ambiguity. 1 KB = 1024 bytes, 1 MB = 1048576 bytes, always. The perceived ambiguity arises only because some, largely manufacturers of storage devices, have a reason to use the terms deceptively. Lies are lies and should be recognized as such -- they do not cause ambiguity in the language itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Ramorum" title="User:Ramorum">Ramorum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ramorum" title="User talk:Ramorum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Ramorum-2008-02-03T20:26:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>It would be nice to have a separate article about the ambiguity of KB (and MB etc) and the introduction of the "i" prefixes (KiB, etc).</dd> <dd>an article about the reasoning behind the new "i" prefixes <dl><dd>It's already covered in <a href="/wiki/Binary_prefix" title="Binary prefix">Binary prefix</a>.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Perhaps a separate article for each prefix is really redundant <dl><dd>Exactly. :-) There is a significant amount of content specific to each unit, like the three different definitions of <a href="/wiki/Megabyte" title="Megabyte">megabyte</a>, but I don't think that means we should reproduce all the background info for each separate unit's page. That unique content should be a section in a larger article instead. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2007-05-12T03:11:00.000Z-Omegatron-2007-05-10T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> Being introduced to this topic, I read both the kibi and kibibyte pages. The latter first. It cleared up all my misunderstandings. The kibi page is an overwhelming mass of information, where this page gives a fly-over view which explains the concept before being thrown into the deep end. My vote is not to merge these two pages. -- onno@itmaze.com.au, 12 June, 2007 <dl><dd>Since this page must necessarily describe KiB in terms of MB and GB (and they must make reference to this page) it would make sense to merge them all into one page, with sections as necessary for the above issues. -Gomm 18:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I agree that it would make more sense to centralize this information. At its core, all you need to do is display the table showing the individual unit names and their values in each category, and then have explanatory text about the general derivation of the words, common misuses, differences between Kebibyte and Kilobyte, etc. Do we have individual articles for "gram", "kilogram", "centigram", "milligram", etc? I doubt it - I don't see why units of data storage should be treated differently than units of length, weight or speed. — <a href="/wiki/User:KieferSkunk" title="User:KieferSkunk">KieferSkunk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KieferSkunk" title="User talk:KieferSkunk">talk</a>) — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-KieferSkunk-2007-08-15T20:40:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This is a bit outdated. Now we have article on all SI units: <a href="/wiki/Kilogram" title="Kilogram">kilogram</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kilometer" class="mw-redirect" title="Kilometer">kilometer</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nanometre" title="Nanometre">nanometre</a>, etc. We have stubs for rare units such as <a href="/wiki/1_zettametre" class="mw-redirect" title="1 zettametre">1 zettametre</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Enric_Naval" title="User:Enric Naval">Enric Naval</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enric_Naval" title="User talk:Enric Naval">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Enric_Naval-2014-08-21T13:32:00.000Z-KieferSkunk-2007-08-15T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><h2 id="A_new_standard" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_new_standard-2008-02-03T20:37:00.000Z">A new standard</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: A new standard" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-76' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Omegatron-2008-03-22T00:17:00.000Z-Ramorum-2008-02-03T20:37:00.000Z">16 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> This is not yet a standard, but it removes the perceived ambiguity and gives people something to say if they want a unit for 1000 bytes and it is thus recommended for those who must refer to powers-of-ten quantities of bytes. 103 bytes = 1000 bytes = 1 ψKB (or 1 pKB or 1 dKB) 106 bytes = 1000 ψKB = 1 ψMB ψ- or p- for pseudo, portraying the fact that 1000 bytes is not 1 KB but is close to 1 KB, hence one pseudo-kilobyte. Alternatively, d- for decimal, portraying the fact that 1 dKB = 103 bytes This new terminology would be consistent with the already-existing standard that 1 KB = 1024 bytes, 1 MB = 1024 KB, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Ramorum" title="User:Ramorum">Ramorum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ramorum" title="User talk:Ramorum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Ramorum-2008-02-03T20:37:00.000Z-A_new_standard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I believe dKB was proposed too, but the KiB proposal was the one adopted by the standards organizations. ψKB is the sort of thing you publish on your own site or blog. Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">not the place to propose new standards</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Omegatron-2008-03-22T00:17:00.000Z-Ramorum-2008-02-03T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><h2 id="Where_to_discuss_use_of_this_word_in_wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where_to_discuss_use_of_this_word_in_wikipedia-2008-03-06T15:17:00.000Z">Where to discuss use of this word in wikipedia</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Where to discuss use of this word in wikipedia" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-77' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-12.216.36.141-2008-04-12T14:08:00.000Z-217.87.75.67-2008-03-28T14:49:00.000Z">16 years ago</a>4 comments4 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> Where can I join (what I assume must be an active) debate about whether new wikipedia pages should use kilobytes, which are in active use, or kibibytes, a term derived from a form of cat food? I mean Wikipedia is the only site I know of which uses these words, the only other places I've seen them mentioned (tech forums etc) are where their lack of uptake has been ridiculed. Please end this crusade already. Btw, that was a serious question. It's an issue that does bother me, and I would like to read the formal discussion that led to so many wikipedia pages using these abominable terms. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Themania&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Themania (page does not exist)">Themania</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Themania" title="User talk:Themania">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Themania-2008-03-06T15:17:00.000Z-Where_to_discuss_use_of_this_word_in_wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>If only all questions were this simple to answer. The presently accepted guidelines are at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSNUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSNUM">WP:MOSNUM</a>, and these are frequently discussed on the corresponding talk page. You will find the debate is heavily polarised. Please feel free to dive in with your views. <a href="/wiki/User:Thunderbird2" title="User:Thunderbird2">Thunderbird2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thunderbird2" title="User talk:Thunderbird2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Thunderbird2-2008-03-06T15:33:00.000Z-Themania-2008-03-06T15:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>You don't seem to be interested in discussing at all. I'd recommend that you read the existing discussions and the available information, before you join any of them yourself. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.87.75.67" title="Special:Contributions/217.87.75.67">217.87.75.67</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.87.75.67&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.87.75.67 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-217.87.75.67-2008-03-28T14:49:00.000Z-Themania-2008-03-06T15:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>If you read to the end of his paragraph, that does seem to be his intent. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/12.216.36.141" title="Special:Contributions/12.216.36.141">12.216.36.141</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:12.216.36.141&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:12.216.36.141 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-12.216.36.141-2008-04-12T14:08:00.000Z-217.87.75.67-2008-03-28T14:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><h2 id="Incorrect_name?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Incorrect_name?-2010-01-28T09:15:00.000Z">Incorrect name?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Incorrect name?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-78' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-193.238.96.4-2010-01-31T16:29:00.000Z-Incorrect_name?">14 years ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> The proposed "kibibyte" which stands for "Kilo Binary Bytes" is a misleading term. What can this stand for? Possible interpretations: 1. Kilo (Binary Bytes) - a thousand of binary bytes. This is obviously incorrect. 2. (Kilo Binary) Bytes - "Kilo Binary" stands for a "thousand of binaries". The result is "2000 bytes". Incorrect again. The correct approach would be to prefix the "Kilo" with the "Binary" modifier. So the term should be "Binary Kilo Bytes". Please consider this. Current term is strictly speaking unacceptable. Thank you. —Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.238.96.4" title="Special:Contributions/193.238.96.4">193.238.96.4</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:193.238.96.4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:193.238.96.4 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-193.238.96.4-2010-01-28T09:15:00.000Z-Incorrect_name?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 28 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The correct interpretation is that kibibyte does not stand for 'kilo binary byte', but that the prefix 'kibi' was constructed as a mnemonic from the words kilo and binary. Kibibyte then is a composite of the now standard term 'kibi' treated as a mathematical entity just like 'kilo' in the SI system. To explain its origins, these prefixes are still often explained by referring to 'kilobinary', etc., to help memorizing them, and even NIST does that, but to decompose the unit kibibyte into the original components and to try to analyze the meaning in turn is wrong. We don't revert to the origin of 'kilo' in kilobyte either to explain it. <a href="/wiki/User:Kbrose" title="User:Kbrose">Kbrose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kbrose" title="User talk:Kbrose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Kbrose-2010-01-29T05:19:00.000Z-193.238.96.4-2010-01-28T09:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> Yes, I see. That makes sense. Thank you. —Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.238.96.4" title="Special:Contributions/193.238.96.4">193.238.96.4</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:193.238.96.4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:193.238.96.4 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-193.238.96.4-2010-01-31T16:29:00.000Z-Incorrect_name?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><h2 id="Another_infobox_fail..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_infobox_fail...-2011-03-02T05:14:00.000Z">Another infobox fail...</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Another infobox fail..." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-79' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-69.232.205.64-2011-03-02T05:14:00.000Z-Another_infobox_fail...">13 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> Kilobyte is 1024 bytes or 2^10. a value of 2^10 conveys meaning only in binary. How about: Kilobyte 10^3 Kibibyte 2^10 Decimal approximation: 1000 ( 2.4% error ) and how about Capitalization? The first kilo is in lower case? I will be back to make this CLEAR <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.232.205.64" title="Special:Contributions/69.232.205.64">69.232.205.64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:69.232.205.64" title="User talk:69.232.205.64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-69.232.205.64-2011-03-02T05:14:00.000Z-Another_infobox_fail..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><h2 id="Problem_with_Facebook_Ripoff" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_with_Facebook_Ripoff-2011-06-15T11:42:00.000Z">Problem with Facebook Ripoff</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Problem with Facebook Ripoff" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-80' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Janburse-2011-06-15T11:42:00.000Z-Problem_with_Facebook_Ripoff">13 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> On facebook the 2^10 is rendered as 210. What a shame. Who could be contacted? <a href="/wiki/User:Janburse" title="User:Janburse">Janburse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janburse" title="User talk:Janburse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Janburse-2011-06-15T11:42:00.000Z-Problem_with_Facebook_Ripoff" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><h2 id="The_article_is_currently_a_nonsense" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_article_is_currently_a_nonsense-2013-10-18T12:12:00.000Z">The article is currently a nonsense</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: The article is currently a nonsense" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-81' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-113.88.128.130-2015-08-15T17:51:00.000Z-24.163.123.33-2014-08-18T20:07:00.000Z">9 years ago</a>4 comments4 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> A kibibyte is currently accepted in the computing world as 1,024 bytes regardless of who may like to believe otherwise (including the IEC). Disc manufacturers may prefer to use it in its more technically correct form as 1000 bytes for marketing reasons, but that does not change the accepted usage (disc drive manufacturers have to specifically state their non standard usage in most jurisdictions). The use of 'kibi' for the former and 'kilo' for the later is not much more than a proposal at the present time. Whether kibibyte is gaining more acceptance is moot as it certainly is not universally accepted as a valid unit and in reality is rarely used. Wikipedia policy (at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSNUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSNUM">WP:MOSNUM</a> recognises this and discourages its use precisely because it is not generally accepted. The article is currently written as though it is universally accepted. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.145.240.230" title="Special:Contributions/86.145.240.230">86.145.240.230</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.145.240.230" title="User talk:86.145.240.230">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-86.145.240.230-2013-10-18T12:12:00.000Z-The_article_is_currently_a_nonsense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Naw, I figure they'll state it again and again until blue in the face, take a breather, then keep saying it some more until everyone believes it. This is about like trying to change the convention so that electrons are positive and protons negative, to make electricity make more sense. Sorry guys, an arbitrary decision was made when producing the foundation of the field and now is a bit too late to change it. Imagine if red lights meant go and green lights meant stop in a specific city with no warning to tourists. :D <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:1:9280:155:45FF:30A1:76F8:2112" title="Special:Contributions/2601:1:9280:155:45FF:30A1:76F8:2112">2601:1:9280:155:45FF:30A1:76F8:2112</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:1:9280:155:45FF:30A1:76F8:2112&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:1:9280:155:45FF:30A1:76F8:2112 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-2601:1:9280:155:45FF:30A1:76F8:2112-2014-06-08T21:03:00.000Z-86.145.240.230-2013-10-18T12:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>It's starting to become more common. Certain programs now reference KiB, MiB, etc. in both output and input options. I have always had to mentally differentiate between kilo=1024 and kilo=1000 based on context. Any computer professional has done this their entire career. For us its hard to understand why the controversy.</dd></dl> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.163.123.33" title="Special:Contributions/24.163.123.33">24.163.123.33</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.163.123.33&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.163.123.33 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-24.163.123.33-2014-08-18T20:07:00.000Z-The_article_is_currently_a_nonsense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Is there any memory device manufacturer that actually uses this convention? Every device datasheet I can ever remember seeing has used K M and G as 2^10, 2^20 and 2^30 respectively. I just checked the data I have here, and even the latest datasheet I have (Micron MT51J256M32, dated 06/15) describes the device as an "8Gb: x16, x32 GDDR5 SGRAM". <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/113.88.128.130" title="Special:Contributions/113.88.128.130">113.88.128.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:113.88.128.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:113.88.128.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-113.88.128.130-2015-08-15T17:51:00.000Z-24.163.123.33-2014-08-18T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 15 August 2015 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2016-02-27T23:24:00.000Z">External links modified</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: External links modified" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-82' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cyberbot_II-2016-02-27T23:24:00.000Z-External_links_modified">8 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just added archive links to one external link on <a href="/wiki/Kibibyte" class="mw-redirect" title="Kibibyte">Kibibyte</a>. 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"Prefixes for binary multiples". Retrieved 2014-01-09.) for unit symbol KiB does not now (2020-08-18) contain any mention of the unit symbol KiB, and is therefore irrelevant. I have not contributed to Wikipedia before, and don't have the time to follow this up, so I will have to leave it to someone else to take an appropriate action to correct this anomaly. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.6.125.214" title="Special:Contributions/80.6.125.214">80.6.125.214</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.6.125.214&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.6.125.214 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-80.6.125.214-2020-08-18T08:07:00.000Z-Irrelevant_reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The page mentions the unit name (kibibyte) but not its symbol (KiB). I moved it somewhere more appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Dondervogel_2" title="User:Dondervogel 2">Dondervogel 2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dondervogel_2" title="User talk:Dondervogel 2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Dondervogel_2-2020-08-18T09:03:00.000Z-80.6.125.214-2020-08-18T08:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><h2 id="recent_reverts" data-mw-thread-id="h-recent_reverts-2020-12-03T20:06:00.000Z">recent reverts</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kibibyte&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: recent reverts" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-84' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Robertiki-2020-12-12T03:02:00.000Z-Woodstone-2020-12-04T10:43:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>4 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> Following recent reverts, I vote we start the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISCUSS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISCUSS">D</a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">BRD</a>. I prefer <a href="/wiki/User:Robertiki" title="User:Robertiki">Robertiki</a>'s version of the lead <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kibibyte&oldid=992046359">[3]</a> to that of <a href="/wiki/User:Kbrose" title="User:Kbrose">Kbrose</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kibibyte&oldid=992089820">[4]</a>. What do others think? <a href="/wiki/User:Dondervogel_2" title="User:Dondervogel 2">Dondervogel 2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dondervogel_2" title="User talk:Dondervogel 2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Dondervogel_2-2020-12-03T20:06:00.000Z-recent_reverts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Looking at some samples of other units, it seems like adding the symbol directly after the title in the lead is the common way to do this. −<a href="/wiki/User:Woodstone" title="User:Woodstone">Woodstone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodstone" title="User talk:Woodstone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Woodstone-2020-12-04T10:43:00.000Z-Dondervogel_2-2020-12-03T20:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kbrose" title="User:Kbrose">Kbrose</a>: I would suggest, that if Kbrose has nothing to add, we could consider a consensus reached to put the symbol directly after the title in the lead. To Kbrose: I agree with your edit summary "already stated in lede", so mine was not really a revert (I was simply lazy), but I choose to follow your suggestion, simply swapping choice where to place the symbol, after verifying other articles approach. After that, per consistency, I made the change to other similar articles. If you agree, it would be nice if you would rollback your rollback. --<a href="/wiki/User:Robertiki" title="User:Robertiki">Robertiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertiki" title="User talk:Robertiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Robertiki-2020-12-07T03:21:00.000Z-Woodstone-2020-12-04T10:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Looks like this discussion is superseded by current discussion about a <a href="/wiki/Talk:Byte#Proposed_merger" title="Talk:Byte">proposed merger</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Robertiki" title="User:Robertiki">Robertiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertiki" title="User talk:Robertiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kibibyte#c-Robertiki-2020-12-12T03:02:00.000Z-Woodstone-2020-12-04T10:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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