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Again, welcome! <a href="/wiki/User:Burgundavia" title="User:Burgundavia">Burgundavia</a> 07:22, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_Copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_Copyright"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_Copyright"></span>Image Copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_Copyright"></span></h2></div> <p>I noticed you uploaded <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Labrea_tarpits.JPG&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Labrea tarpits.JPG (page does not exist)">Image:Labrea tarpits.JPG</a>.I wondered if you could elaborate on the source and copyright status of the of the image. You can contact me on my <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Burgundavia" title="User talk:Burgundavia">talk page</a>. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Burgundavia" title="User:Burgundavia">Burgundavia</a> 07:22, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) </p> <ul><li>Thanks for the information. Do you know how to tag the image? Also you can sign your name with ~~~~ <a href="/wiki/User:Burgundavia" title="User:Burgundavia">Burgundavia</a> 23:13, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC) <ul><li>Hey, no worries. Check out my <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Columbia_Games&diff=prev&oldid=3386048">first edit</a>. If you father took the image, the best tag is probably {{gfdl}] which releases the image under the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Gnu_Free_Documentation_Licence&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Gnu Free Documentation Licence (page does not exist)">Gnu Free Documentation Licence</a>, like the text of Wikipedia itself. Mention who took the picture as well, and then remove the other tags. I will make certain it gets cleaned off the other page. <a href="/wiki/User:Burgundavia" title="User:Burgundavia">Burgundavia</a> 23:36, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RuneScape_quests" data-mw-thread-id="h-RuneScape_quests"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RuneScape_quests"></span>RuneScape quests<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RuneScape_quests"></span></h2></div> <p>I don't know if you're watching the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:RuneScape_quests&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:RuneScape quests (page does not exist)">talk page</a>, but I don't want you to start going to work on this until you read my response. Mainly, I have two reasons for disagreement. First, it doesn't follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(headings)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)">Manual of Style</a>. Second, it ruins all the links that were previously links to the specific quests. Now, it simply links to start of the article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ricky81682" title="User:Ricky81682">Ricky81682</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricky81682" title="User talk:Ricky81682">talk</a>) 07:33, May 4, 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Toco_Beach" data-mw-thread-id="h-Toco_Beach-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Toco_Beach-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Toco_Beach" class="mw-redirect" title="Toco Beach">Toco Beach</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Toco_Beach-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span>As I mentioned on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Toco_Beach" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Toco Beach">Talk</a> page, I am confused by your "Toco Beach" article. I can't figure out what beach you have described. The name <i>Toco Beach</i> is sometimes applied to Salibea beach, but I can't reconcile your description with what I know of the place. Are you referring to some other beach? If anything it sounds like Grande Riviere. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z-Toco_Beach" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z"></span>Correct me if im wrong, but i believe Grand Riviere is the actual area, not the beach. I had been there atleast on 5 seperate occasions and my assumption that the actual beach (<i>w/ 2 hotels, names escape me; of importance? must i be more diligent, and a lagoon</i>) was called Toco (and alternatively TOKO)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Grande Riviere is about 10 miles past Toco. Two small hotels on the beach (whose names I can't recall right now) and a few guest houses going up the hill. What is commonly called "Toco Beach" (strictly speaking, Salybia Beach) is near the light house - ~10 miles east of GR. Separate town, only lumped together because people tend to call everything past Matura "Toco". <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T16:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z"></span>The hotels: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mtplaisir.com/">Mount Plaisir Estate Hotel</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.legrandealmandier.com/">Le Grande Almandier</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T17:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span>Then i guess you are probably right, ill go change that around if you havent already. Just to make sure however, this Salybia Beach, is the one RIGHT down the road from the clinic and about 2 miles off of shark river (may also be local name)?</li></ul> <p>No - Shark River is west of Grande Riviere. Toco/Salybia beach is near the lighthouse - about 1/2 an hour (to make a wild guess) <i>before</i> you get to GR. Best thing might be to rename the article <a href="/wiki/Grande_Riviere" title="Grande Riviere">Grande Riviere</a> and expand it to cover both the town and the bay. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z-Toco_Beach" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-2005-05-04T20:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Okay, that sounds like a plan, i dont have much information on the town, and since it isnt the main focus i probably wont put much in, but I could research that and include something. I have some changes to make to another article first (i just cant get anything right...) and ill start on this. By the way, i see that there is a <a href="/wiki/Trinidad" title="Trinidad">Trinidad</a> article, and a <a href="/wiki/Trinidad_and_Tobago" title="Trinidad and Tobago">Trinidad and Tobago</a> article. Is this just because of redundancy or is the former supposed to be solely about THAT island (if so, it is horribly under-developed)? <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-2005-05-04T20:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-2005-05-04T20:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-2005-05-04T20:55:00.000Z-Guettarda-2005-05-04T20:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T21:30:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Trinidad" title="Trinidad">Trinidad</a> article is supposed to be just about Trinidad. Until late last year it was just a paragraph, explaining that Trinidad is the larger island, etc. Unfortunately, someone foudn the page and expanded it into a larger article - probably under the assumption that there was no "Trinidad and Tobago" article. So what we have now is a terribly unbalanced article - but of ancient history, a rather unbalanced account of "now"...I have been hesitant to edit that page because I don't really know what to do with it. Most of what you could write about Trinidad should better fall into one of the appropriate "Trinidad and Tobago" articles. It's different with <a href="/wiki/Tobago" title="Tobago">Tobago</a> - there is lots of room for Tobago-only material...you could say a lot about Tobago that doesn't really apply to "Trinidad and Tobago", but no nearly as much about "Trinidad" that doesn't apply to "Trinidad and Tobago". Of course, you could cut the pre-1889 stuff out of <a href="/wiki/History_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago" title="History of Trinidad and Tobago">History of Trinidad and Tobago</a> and put it into the <a href="/wiki/History_of_Trinidad" class="mw-redirect" title="History of Trinidad">History of Trinidad</a>, then have a separate <a href="/wiki/History_of_Tobago" title="History of Tobago">History of Tobago</a> and restrict the <a href="/wiki/History_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago" title="History of Trinidad and Tobago">History of Trinidad and Tobago</a> to that period where they were united. Unfortunately, the history of each island continued across the union...the political and economic developments span that time period (you wouldn't, for example, want to have one article on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Indian_immigration_to_Trinidad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Indian immigration to Trinidad (page does not exist)">Indian immigration to Trinidad</a> and another on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Indian_immigration_to_Trinidad_and_Tobago&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Indian immigration to Trinidad and Tobago (page does not exist)">Indian immigration to Trinidad and Tobago</a>. As for enough info about the town - I have written over 30 short stubs about towns in Trinidad, have about 240 in <a href="/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Trinidad_and_Tobago" class="mw-redirect" title="List of cities in Trinidad and Tobago">List of cities in Trinidad and Tobago</a> (which is a list of cities, towns and villages...long story). I will expand them as I get my hands on info, but there is nothing wrong with a stub as long as it has the potential to be expanded. (You might want to have a look at <a href="/wiki/Category:Trinidad_and_Tobago" title="Category:Trinidad and Tobago">Category:Trinidad and Tobago</a> and the subcategories (and sub-subcategories) to see what exists in terms of articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T21:30:00.000Z-Toco_Beach" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T21:30:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-04T21:30:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-05T15:55:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span>There is a "Move" tab on all pages (up at the top). You can move a page as long as the destination is either blank or has a redirect. More than that and you need to get an admin to do the move. Of course, it's generally not good to move a page without talking to the other editors involved. So what is your connection to Trinidad? I realise from Burgundavia's page that you lived there - when and for how long? Just curious. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> </p> <ul><li>I lived there from 1997-2001, in Bayshore; went to ISPS (im 17 now). I find this whole wikipedia thing friggin awesome, so i am trying to apply what limited knowledge and resources I have (spending most my time on <a href="/wiki/RuneScape" title="RuneScape">RuneScape</a> articles). Whats <i>your</i> connection to T'dad? <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>I'm from Trinidad, although I have lived in Canada (1973-1979) and the US (1994-2001 and 2004- ). Lived in <a href="/wiki/San_Fernando,_Trinidad_and_Tobago" title="San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago">San Fernando</a>, <a href="/wiki/Marabella" title="Marabella">Marabella</a>, South Oropouche, <a href="/wiki/Gasparillo" title="Gasparillo">Gasparillo</a>, <a href="/wiki/Curepe" title="Curepe">Curepe</a> and <a href="/wiki/Chaguanas" title="Chaguanas">Chaguanas</a>. I attended <a href="/wiki/Naparima_College" title="Naparima College">Naparima College</a> and <a href="/wiki/University_of_the_West_Indies" title="University of the West Indies">UWI</a>, before doing my PhD at <a href="/wiki/Michigan_State_University" title="Michigan State University">Michigan State University</a>. I have mostly added TT related material here, although I have also done some in <a href="/wiki/Ecology" title="Ecology">ecology</a>-related articles. Been here since September, been addicted since about December. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-05T15:55:00.000Z-Toco_Beach" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-05T15:55:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-05T15:55:00.000Z-Toco_Beach"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd>>>>> I'm an Environmental Science student from Trinidad as well, and to cast some clarification as to the "Toco Beach" that you're talking about, I believe that the name of it is Saline Bay. It's about 2 mins or less from the lighthouse, am I right?</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_copyright_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_copyright_2-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_copyright_2-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z"></span>Image copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_copyright_2-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z-Image_copyright_2"></span>You need to address the copyright issue of your image of the <a href="/wiki/Pitch_Lake" title="Pitch Lake">Pitch Lake</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images#Phase_II_-_May_11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images">Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images#Phase_II_-_May_11</a> and on the image itself or it is likely to be deleted. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Guettarda" title="User:Guettarda">Guettarda</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Guettarda-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z-Image_copyright_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guettarda-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z-Image_copyright_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guettarda-2005-05-12T17:07:00.000Z-Image_copyright_2"></span> </p> <ul><li>I left it up there, even though I could delete it. Can you confirm the licence that your father releases this under? If you need any help at all, contact me. <a href="/wiki/User:Burgundavia" title="User:Burgundavia">Burgundavia</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Burgundavia" title="User talk:Burgundavia">✈ take a flight?</a>)</small> 03:02, May 27, 2005 (UTC) <ul><li>Ive been reading through the copyright information on this site, and there is just too much information on it, im finding it very confusing in what i am supposed to be doing. I uploaded some screenshots today, and i used the same {{game-screenshot}} tag as i had seen in other images, but is what i am supposed to be doing something as simple as that? <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> 06:23, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RuneScape_quests_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-RuneScape_quests_2"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RuneScape_quests_2"></span>RuneScape quests<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RuneScape_quests_2"></span></h2></div> <p>Curran, since you worked on a lot of the quests, I would like to hear your opinion at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:RuneScape_quests&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:RuneScape quests (page does not exist)">Talk:RuneScape quests</a> regarding keeping the quest guides. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ricky81682" title="User:Ricky81682">Ricky81682</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ricky81682" title="User talk:Ricky81682">talk</a>) July 6, 2005 07:43 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RuneScape" data-mw-thread-id="h-RuneScape-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RuneScape-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z"></span>RuneScape<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RuneScape-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CrnaGora-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z-RuneScape"></span>Do you play RuneScape? If so, tell me on my talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:CrnaGora" class="mw-redirect" title="User:CrnaGora">CrnaGora</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-CrnaGora-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z-RuneScape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CrnaGora-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z-RuneScape"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CrnaGora-2006-01-29T04:13:00.000Z-RuneScape"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-20220909175600"><span id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_.28September_9.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-20220909175600"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/wiki/Draft:Color_Vision_Standards" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Color Vision Standards">Color Vision Standards</a> (September 9)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-20220909175600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/50px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/75px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/100px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Your recent article submission to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for Creation</a> has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AngusWOOF was: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r890676480">.mw-parser-output .divbox{padding:1em;margin:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox .divbox-heading{width:auto;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;font-weight:bold;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .divbox-amber{background-color:#ffffcc;border:1px solid #663300}.mw-parser-output .divbox-berk{background-color:#b78727;border:1px solid #0f4d92}.mw-parser-output .divbox-black{background-color:black;border:1px solid white;color:white;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .divbox-bloodred{background-color:#ff3333;border:1px solid #cc0000;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .divbox-blue{background-color:#dee;border:1px solid #0000cc}.mw-parser-output .divbox-brown{background-color:#f2deb8;border:1px solid #663300}.mw-parser-output .divbox-darkgreen{background-color:#006a4d;color:#ffffff;border:4px solid #ffffff;border-radius:5em;box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75)}.mw-parser-output .divbox-docgreen{background-color:#ecfcf4;border:1px solid #aaaaaa}.mw-parser-output .divbox-double{background-color:inherit;border:1px double #000000;letter-spacing:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox-email{font-weight:bold;margin-left:2em;border:black solid 1px;border-style:dotted solid dotted solid;background:palegreen}.mw-parser-output .divbox-fawn{border:1px solid #cd853f;background-color:#fff8dc;border-radius:10px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-forest{background-color:#b5dbaf;border:1px solid #006633}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gold{background-color:#cc0;border:1px solid #f00}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gray,.mw-parser-output .divbox-grey{background-color:#eeeeee;border:1px solid #999999}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gray99,.mw-parser-output .divbox-grey99{background-color:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #dddddd}.mw-parser-output .divbox-grayh,.mw-parser-output .divbox-greyh{background:transparent;border:solid 4px lightgray;border-left:none;border-right:none;color:gray}.mw-parser-output .divbox-green{background-color:#ccffcc;border:1px solid #009900}.mw-parser-output .divbox-greenv{background:transparent;border:solid 8px lightgreen;border-top:none;border-bottom:none}.mw-parser-output .divbox-ivory{border:1px solid #0000ff;background-color:#fffff0;border-radius:10px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lavender{background-color:#e6e6fa;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lightblue{background-color:#f0f8ff;border:1px solid #7cb9e8}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lilac{background-color:#c8a2c8;border:1px solid silver}.mw-parser-output .divbox-n{border:7px solid #0ff0ff;background-color:#f0fff0;border-radius:25px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-navy{background-color:#aadbe0;border:1px solid #00477b}.mw-parser-output .divbox-none{border:1px hidden}.mw-parser-output .divbox-nyanza{background-color:#e9ffdb;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-orange{background-color:#ffdeb5;border:1px solid #ff6600}.mw-parser-output .divbox-plain{background-color:inherit;border:1px solid #000000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-purple{background-color:#ffdaff;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-red{background-color:#ffcccc;border:1px solid #cc0000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-sia{background-color:#cccccc;border:1px solid #6881b9}.mw-parser-output .divbox-siaaa{background-color:#d5dceb;border:1px solid #6881b9}.mw-parser-output .divbox-simar{background-color:#f2deb8;border:4px solid #810541;border-radius:5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox-teal{background-color:#008080;border:1px solid #40e0d0}.mw-parser-output .divbox-thistle{background-color:#d8bfd8;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-tt{background-color:transparent;color:darkblue;border:1px solid grey}.mw-parser-output .divbox-wdl{background-color:#cee3f6;border:1px solid #cee3f6}.mw-parser-output .divbox-white{background-color:#ffffff;border:1px solid #000000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-wordperfect{background-color:blue;color:white;border:1px solid #0000cc}.mw-parser-output .divbox-email,.mw-parser-output .divbox-tt,.mw-parser-output .divbox-wordperfect{font-family:monospace,monospace}.mw-parser-output .divbox-yellow{background-color:#ffffcc;border:1px solid #ffcc00}</style><div class="metadata divbox divbox-gray">Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at <a href="/wiki/Color_blindness" title="Color blindness">Color blindness</a> instead.</div> The comment the reviewer left was: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r890676480"><div class="metadata divbox divbox-blue">A lot of these topics are already covered by color blindness article.</div> Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit <i>after they have been resolved</i>. <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <ul><li>If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to <a href="/wiki/Draft:Color_Vision_Standards" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Color Vision Standards">Draft:Color Vision Standards</a> and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.</li> <li>If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G13._Abandoned_Drafts_and_Articles_for_creation_submissions" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">may be deleted</a>.</li> <li>If you need any assistance, or have experienced any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Scam_warning" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning">untoward behavior</a> associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Color_Vision_Standards"><b>Articles for creation help desk</b></a></span>, on the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AngusWOOF&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Color_Vision_Standards"><b>reviewer's talk page</b></a></span> or use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_help_disclaimer" title="Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer">Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors</a>.</li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:AngusWOOF" title="User:AngusWOOF"><strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AngusWOOF#top" title="User talk:AngusWOOF"><span style="color: #663300;">bark</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF" title="Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF"><span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)"></span></div> <table style="margin: 0.4em 2em;"> <tbody><tr style="vertical-align: top;"> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-1"></span><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WP_teahouse_logo_2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Teahouse logo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/WP_teahouse_logo_2.png" decoding="async" width="101" height="101" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="101" data-file-height="101"/></a></span> </td> <td><div style="background-color:#e1e6db; color: #393D38; padding: 1em; font-size: 1.1em; border-radius:10px;box-shadow:-2px -2px 1px #8e8a78;">Hello, <b>Curran919</b>! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk">Articles for creation help desk</a></b>. If you have any <i>other</i> questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a></b>, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! <a href="/wiki/User:AngusWOOF" title="User:AngusWOOF"><strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AngusWOOF#top" title="User talk:AngusWOOF"><span style="color: #663300;">bark</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF" title="Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF"><span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AngusWOOF-20220909175600-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_9)-1"></span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)-20220910152900"><span id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_.28September_10.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)-20220910152900"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/wiki/Draft:Color_Vision_Standards" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Color Vision Standards">Color Vision Standards</a> (September 10)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)-20220910152900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AngusWOOF-20220910152900-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/50px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/75px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/100px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Your recent article submission to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for Creation</a> has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AngusWOOF was: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r890676480"><div class="metadata divbox divbox-gray">Then it should be discussed there before splitting out. <p>This draft is a request to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPINOFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPINOFF">spin off</a> an article. Proposals to spin out a topic from an article into another stand-alone article should be discussed at the talk page of the existing article, unless the draft satisfies a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">special notability guide</a>. If the draft satisfies a special notability guide, please identify the notability criterion with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a>. </p> This does not mean that the draft should be spun off, and it does not mean that the draft should not be spun off. It does mean that discussion should be on the talk page of the existing article, <a href="/wiki/Talk:Color_blindness" title="Talk:Color blindness">Talk:Color blindness</a>. (If this draft is resubmitted without discussion on the talk page of the existing article and does not satisfy a special notability guide, it may be Rejected or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MFD">nominated for deletion</a>.)</div> Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit <i>after they have been resolved</i>. <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <ul><li>If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to <a href="/wiki/Draft:Color_Vision_Standards" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Color Vision Standards">Draft:Color Vision Standards</a> and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.</li> <li>If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G13._Abandoned_Drafts_and_Articles_for_creation_submissions" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">may be deleted</a>.</li> <li>If you need any assistance, or have experienced any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Scam_warning" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning">untoward behavior</a> associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Color_Vision_Standards"><b>Articles for creation help desk</b></a></span>, on the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AngusWOOF&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Color_Vision_Standards"><b>reviewer's talk page</b></a></span> or use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_help_disclaimer" title="Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer">Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors</a>.</li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:AngusWOOF" title="User:AngusWOOF"><strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AngusWOOF#top" title="User talk:AngusWOOF"><span style="color: #663300;">bark</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF" title="Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF"><span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-AngusWOOF-20220910152900-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AngusWOOF-20220910152900-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AngusWOOF-20220910152900-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Color_Vision_Standards_(September_10)"></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8-20221008060000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8-20221008060000"></span>Disambiguation link notification for October 8<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8-20221008060000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-20221008060000-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8"></span>Hi. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-DPL_bot-20221008060000-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-20221008060000-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-20221008060000-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_October_8"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spectral_color" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spectral_color-20221013134900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spectral_color-20221013134900"></span>Spectral color<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spectral_color-20221013134900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theoh-20221013134900-Spectral_color"></span>Hi, you made an edit to <a href="/wiki/Spectral_color" title="Spectral color">Spectral color</a> which seems to confuse the point made by the existing sentence. </p><p>A while ago I found the sentence "One needs at least <a href="/wiki/Trichromacy" title="Trichromacy">trichromatic</a> <a href="/wiki/Color_vision" title="Color vision">color vision</a> for there to be a distinction between spectral and non-spectral colors" on that page. To be clear, what that sentence does *not* mean is that you need to be a trichromat to distinguish spectral colors. It means that spectral colors are a distinct class from non-spectral colors for trichromats. </p><p>But, I believe this statement to be inaccurate. In some cases, a theoretical dichromat will be perceive some non-spectral colours. This is not about specifically human color vision, but about the theory of color vision with a given number of photoreceptors. As [Dichromacy] stated (before you edited it), *sometimes* two spectral lights are needed to match a color perceived by a dichromat. Consider a dichromat where the frequency sensitivity curves of the photoreceptors (A and B) are disjoint (no overlap). It's clear that non-spectral colours exist for this dichromat: any time *both* photoreceptors are stimulated, the resulting colour cannot be identified with a single spectral light. I'm not sure how to make this clearer. In fact all that is needed is for there to be some frequencies at which the spectral sensitivity of the photoreceptors does not overlap. That creates the possibility of non-spectral colors. </p><p>So, I edited the sentence "One needs at least <a href="/wiki/Trichromacy" title="Trichromacy">trichromatic</a> <a href="/wiki/Color_vision" title="Color vision">color vision</a> for there to be a distinction between spectral and non-spectral colors" to read "One needs at least <a href="/wiki/Dichromacy" title="Dichromacy">dichromatic</a> <a href="/wiki/Color_vision" title="Color vision">color vision</a> for there to be a distinction between spectral and non-spectral colors" so as to make clear that it is possible for some colours perceived by a dichromat to be non-spectral, i.e. they cannot be created by a single spectral light. </p><p>In short, I believe your recent edits to <a href="/wiki/Spectral_color" title="Spectral color">Spectral color</a> and <a href="/wiki/Dichromacy" title="Dichromacy">Dichromacy</a> are misguided in some significant ways. I get that you have personal experience of protanopia and I respect that. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Theoh" title="User:Theoh">Theoh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theoh#top" title="User talk:Theoh">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Theoh" title="Special:Contributions/Theoh">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Theoh-20221013134900-Spectral_color" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theoh-20221013134900-Spectral_color"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theoh-20221013134900-Spectral_color"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221013143700-Theoh-20221013134900"></span>Hi, thanks for the message.</dd> <dd>I wrote the paragraph below before I completely understood your objection (I think I do now). In case I am misunderstanding again, I'll keep it below, but otherwise it doesnt have much to do with how I understand your objection now: that my original statement was only true when the sensitivity curves overlap. Fair enough, I agree. If you have two disjoint sensitivity curves with no overlap, then spectral light can only excite the extremes of the chromaticity channel. Hell, I may even go as far as to say that there is no spectral locus in that case, and you'd have ONLY non-spectral colors. However, I am fairly sure that such vision systems do not exist. The distinction is therefore purely hypothetical/academic. All forms of color vision in vertebrates have neighboring opsins that overlap with each other, even in the cases like mice that have huge space between their SWS1 + LWS curves.</dd> <dd>I do think your edit is also misleading, given that any REAL dichromats will <i>not</i> see a distinction but I think we can find a compromise, depending on what you meant by:</dd> <dd>"<i>In fact all that is needed is for there to be some frequencies at which the spectral sensitivity of the photoreceptors does not overlap.</i>" I would say that there needs to be some wavelengths between them where neither are excited... not sure if that's what you meant here. If not, then see my alternative answer below the line.</dd> <dd>----------------------</dd> <dd>I'm afraid I must double down on the assertion. Dichromats see no non-spectral colors. This is not based on my personal experience. In fact, personal experience would tell me that dichromats DO have an innate understanding of hue vs. saturation. A dichromat has two cones and those cones MUST have disparate sensitivity curves. If they are not disparate, then the subject is a monochromat. The dichromat's color space is two dimensional. You can describe those dimensions as distimulus values (M and S excitation), or you can transform it into a more intuitive form (equivalent to <a href="/wiki/Opponent_process" title="Opponent process">opponent process</a> channels) with a luminosity channel/dimension and chromaticity channel/dimension (let's call it <i>Chr</i>). <i>Chr</i> would therefore be equivalent to the ratio (or difference) of the cone excitations. Again, assuming M and S curves (since that represents my protanopia), a 400nm light excites only the S cone, and therefore <i>Chr</i> is at a minimum. a 700nm light excites only the M cone, and therefore <i>Chr</i> is at a maximum. The entire range of possible <i>Chr</i> values can be evoked by a spectral light. When you introduce non spectral light, there is no <i>Chr</i> value and obviously no luminosity value that can be excited that wasn't already excitable by spectral light. Ergo, all colors are spectral colors and there are not additional 'non-spectral' colors. "<i>*sometimes* two spectral lights are needed to match a color perceived by a dichromat.</i>" This is simply not true. If you stimulate both cones at their peak wavelengths simultaneously, this is equivalent to stimulating the point of overlap of the sensitivity curves of the two cones (once you account for cone mosaic and increase the luminosity). In both cases, dichromats experience a neutral color, i.e. gray. This is why protanopes and deuteranopes perceive cyan as gray, because cyan is at the point where the two remaining cone sensitivity functions overlap.<a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221013143700-Theoh-20221013134900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221013143700-Theoh-20221013134900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221013143700-Theoh-20221013134900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221013144500-Curran919-20221013143700"></span>I put a footnote on the statement in <a href="/wiki/Spectral_color" title="Spectral color">spectral color</a> to elucidate. See if that satisfies. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221013144500-Curran919-20221013143700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221013144500-Curran919-20221013143700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221013144500-Curran919-20221013143700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theoh-20221013183100-Curran919-20221013144500"></span>Hi,</dd> <dd>I think the original statement on <a href="/wiki/Spectral_color" title="Spectral color">Spectral color</a> was about whether it was logically possible for there to be a conceptual distinction between spectral and non-spectral colors. As it reads now, it's a statement about whether dichromats can distinguish spectral and non-spectral colors. As I understand it, even trichromats can't do that, it's a purely theoretical classification.</dd> <dd>You're right that the sensitivity curves need to have no overlap for the non-spectral colors to exist for a dichromat, my bad. If a non-spectral color is a metameric match for a spectral light (your cyan example) then I agree with you that there's no reason to call it non-spectral.</dd> <dd>Cheers</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Theoh" title="User:Theoh">Theoh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theoh" title="User talk:Theoh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Theoh-20221013183100-Curran919-20221013144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theoh-20221013183100-Curran919-20221013144500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theoh-20221013183100-Curran919-20221013144500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theoh-20221014204300-Theoh-20221013183100"></span>(I have made an edit which I hope you will agree with. The key point here is whether the categories of "spectral color" and "non-spectral color" exist for dichromats, trichromats etc., in other words, whether the distinction exists. The notion of an observer *distinguishing* spectral colors from non-spectral colors doesn't seem appropriate to me (& I think you are the one who put it in). The qualitative experience of a spectral color is no different from that of a non-spectral color, I have no way to distinguish which kind of color I'm looking at. In theory spectral colours are purer, more like hues from the rainbow, but there's no way to definitely make the distinction, in my experience. They're just the theoretical limit of narrowband light) <a href="/wiki/User:Theoh" title="User:Theoh">Theoh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theoh" title="User talk:Theoh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Theoh-20221014204300-Theoh-20221013183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theoh-20221014204300-Theoh-20221013183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theoh-20221014204300-Theoh-20221013183100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Theoh" title="User:Theoh"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221015092800-Theoh-20221014204300"></span>@Theoh</a> looks good! <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221015092800-Theoh-20221014204300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221015092800-Theoh-20221014204300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221015092800-Theoh-20221014204300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pentachromacy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pentachromacy-20221112032000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pentachromacy-20221112032000"></span><a href="/wiki/Pentachromacy" class="mw-redirect" title="Pentachromacy">Pentachromacy</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pentachromacy-20221112032000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joyous!-20221112032000-Pentachromacy"></span>Hello! I'm wading through the backlog of articles that should be merged, based on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">AfD</a> decisions. Your edit <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pentachromacy&diff=1114716875&oldid=920153578">here</a> suggests that there was a deletion discussion, but I can't find it. Is it possible that you were aiming for a merge proposal discussion instead, but grabbed the wrong template? <a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!">Joyous!</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joyous!" title="User talk:Joyous!">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Joyous!-20221112032000-Pentachromacy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joyous!-20221112032000-Pentachromacy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joyous!-20221112032000-Pentachromacy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221112082200-Joyous!-20221112032000"></span>@Joyous!</a> This was a merge. Pentachromacy should remain a redirect. Sorry! <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221112082200-Joyous!-20221112032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 12 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221112082200-Joyous!-20221112032000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221112082200-Joyous!-20221112032000"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joyous!-20221117152800-Curran919-20221112082200"></span>Was it ever up for deletion? I'm just trying to get the correct template on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Pentachromacy" title="Talk:Pentachromacy">talk page of the article</a>; I'm not attempting to un-merge anything. If there was never a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a>, then I need to put a different notice there. <a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!">Joyous!</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joyous!" title="User talk:Joyous!">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Joyous!-20221117152800-Curran919-20221112082200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joyous!-20221117152800-Curran919-20221112082200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joyous!-20221117152800-Curran919-20221112082200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221117154700-Joyous!-20221117152800"></span>I don't think so. I probably made a mistake, since I think this was my first merged article. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221117154700-Joyous!-20221117152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221117154700-Joyous!-20221117152800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221117154700-Joyous!-20221117152800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joyous!-20221117155200-Curran919-20221117154700"></span>Not a problem! I can fix the issue! <a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!">Joyous!</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joyous!" title="User talk:Joyous!">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Joyous!-20221117155200-Curran919-20221117154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joyous!-20221117155200-Curran919-20221117154700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joyous!-20221117155200-Curran919-20221117154700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joyous!-20221117155900-Joyous!-20221117155200"></span>Done! You just needed a different template to add to the source article and the target article. Let me know if you need to merge any other articles--I'm happy to help you out! <a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!">Joyous!</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joyous!" title="User talk:Joyous!">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Joyous!-20221117155900-Joyous!-20221117155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joyous!-20221117155900-Joyous!-20221117155200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joyous!-20221117155900-Joyous!-20221117155200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221117161300-Joyous!-20221117155900"></span>Oh yeah, I see the difference now. I've done another half dozen merges since using the correct tag, I think. I'm surprised the merged-to template doesn't have a link to the discussion on the target talk page, which is why I may have gone with the afd template, thinking they were otherwise equivalent. Honestly, the AfC (and AfD) still confuse the hell out of me after 1000 edits. Thanks for fixing it. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221117161300-Joyous!-20221117155900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221117161300-Joyous!-20221117155900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221117161300-Joyous!-20221117155900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joyous!-20221117171000-Joyous!-20221117155200"></span>"<i>Wikipedia: Not Designed To Be Confusing, But It Ended Up That Way!</i>" Sometimes there isn't a discussion. It's possible to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">be bold</a> and just do the merge if you think there won't be controversy. <a href="/wiki/User:Joyous!" title="User:Joyous!">Joyous!</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joyous!" title="User talk:Joyous!">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Joyous!-20221117171000-Joyous!-20221117155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joyous!-20221117171000-Joyous!-20221117155200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joyous!-20221117171000-Joyous!-20221117155200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-20221117210600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-20221117210600"></span>Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-20221117210600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20221117210600-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Thank you for <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Curran919" title="Special:Contributions/Curran919">your contributions</a> to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from one or more pages into <a href="/wiki/Philosophy_of_color" title="Philosophy of color">Philosophy of color</a>. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights" title="Wikipedia:Copyrights">Wikipedia's licensing</a> does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a> at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and <a href="/wiki/Help:Link#Wikilinks" title="Help:Link">linking</a> to the copied page, e.g., <code>copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution</code>. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Copied" title="Template:Copied">copied</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia</a>. Thank you. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Diannaa-20221117210600-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20221117210600-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20221117210600-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221117211600-Diannaa-20221117210600"></span>Is this a bot message? The text that I copied from <a href="/wiki/Knowledge_argument" title="Knowledge argument">Knowledge argument</a> to <a href="/wiki/Philosophy_of_color" title="Philosophy of color">philosophy of color</a> is a <em>quote</em> from the original 1982 source that introduced the concept, complete with the citation... That is not grounds for attribution to another wiki source. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20221117211600-Diannaa-20221117210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20221117211600-Diannaa-20221117210600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20221117211600-Diannaa-20221117210600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20221117215000-Curran919-20221117211600"></span>I see the material copied from <a href="/wiki/Knowledge_argument" title="Knowledge argument">Knowledge argument</a> is a quotation so no, attribution is not required for that. Sorry for the mistake. However you also added material copied from <a href="/wiki/Inverted_spectrum" title="Inverted spectrum">inverted spectrum</a> in the same edit. So attribution is required for that addition. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Diannaa-20221117215000-Curran919-20221117211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20221117215000-Curran919-20221117211600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20221117215000-Curran919-20221117211600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20221118064900-Diannaa-20221117215000"></span>Ah, sorry, right you are. That one slipped by me. I often copy things over as a basis to rewrite in one screen, but I guess after finishing the Mary's room section, I forgot to rewrite the inverted spectrum. I've changed it now. 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Your throwing this accusation around is not appreciated - I am only trying to improve the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Bon_courage" title="User:Bon courage">Bon courage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bon_courage" title="User talk:Bon courage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Bon_courage-20230906071700-Vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bon_courage-20230906071700-Vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bon_courage-20230906071700-Vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20230911095300-Bon_courage-20230906071700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bon_courage" title="User:Bon courage">Bon courage</a> Granted, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTVAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTVAND">WP:NOTVAND</a>. Good faith or not, I'm calling you on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DE">WP:DE</a>, specifically on point 4. You know reverts on heavy, good-faith edits are intrinsically inflammatory, especially when you only criticize a small portion of it; And you even admit through your unrevert that your original revert was flippant. When all of your edits on the article are reverts for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYMEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYMEDRS">WP:CRYMEDRS</a> without any additive contribution or engagement in talk, you burn up your good faith when you get flippant with others' work. Regardless, I will try to adhere to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> better in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20230911095300-Bon_courage-20230906071700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 11 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20230911095300-Bon_courage-20230906071700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20230911095300-Bon_courage-20230906071700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bon_courage-20230911101000-Curran919-20230911095300"></span>I've never "admitted" anything is "flippant", and the purpose of reverts is to improve the encyclopedia: no editor should getting inflamed by reverts which do. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYMEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYMEDRS">WP:CRYMEDRS</a> is indeed a wise essay, but the material in question was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BMI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BMI">WP:BMI</a>, so it's irrelevant to the question at hand. <a href="/wiki/User:Bon_courage" title="User:Bon courage">Bon courage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bon_courage" title="User talk:Bon courage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Bon_courage-20230911101000-Curran919-20230911095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bon_courage-20230911101000-Curran919-20230911095300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bon_courage-20230911101000-Curran919-20230911095300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20230911103300-Bon_courage-20230911101000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bon_courage" title="User:Bon courage">Bon courage</a> Going back through my original edit now, it appears you were just gaslighting me. My edit removed primary and web sources, added secondary sources, and the only web source I added was a tertiary article explaining the absence of evidence for a widely reported fact. You probably just got confused with the pre-existing primary research since I had done a lot of shuffling. Your unrevert SHOWS unequivocally that you thought your revert was NOT an improvement, so if I should only not get inflamed by reverts which improve wikipedia, then by your definition, I have the right to get inflamed by your bad revert. And how is making a revert that you later believe was bad... not flippant? Learn to admit when you're wrong. I did it in my last comment even when I wasn't. Do better. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DBAJ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DBAJ">WP:DBAJ</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20230911103300-Bon_courage-20230911101000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 11 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20230911103300-Bon_courage-20230911101000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20230911103300-Bon_courage-20230911101000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bon_courage-20230911104800-Curran919-20230911103300"></span>I don't think you understand what I did. The previous version was very poor, your edit was (on consideration) better but still not great; I made some edits to improve the article without paying any attention to "who wrote what". Not sure why this is such a big deal? The article still needs work. <a href="/wiki/User:Bon_courage" title="User:Bon courage">Bon courage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bon_courage" title="User talk:Bon courage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Bon_courage-20230911104800-Curran919-20230911103300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bon_courage-20230911104800-Curran919-20230911103300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bon_courage-20230911104800-Curran919-20230911103300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="September_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2023-20230911134200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2023-20230911134200"></span>September 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2023-20230911134200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bon_courage-20230911134200-September_2023"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hi Curran919! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of <a href="/wiki/Biological_effects_of_high-energy_visible_light" title="Biological effects of high-energy visible light">Biological effects of high-energy visible light</a> several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit warring policy</a> disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable. </p><p>All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages" title="Help:Talk pages">talk pages</a> to try to reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Through_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>. 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128002200-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128002200-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128002200-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hey-20240115041800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hey-20240115041800"></span>Hey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hey-20240115041800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20240115041800-Hey"></span>I noticed you have been editing some health-related articles, and I wanted to say that a bunch of us hang out at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine</a>. You're welcome to join us. It's also a good place to ask questions about finding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)" title="Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)">good sources for medical content</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Medicine-related_articles" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles">writing style</a>. Feel free to put any groups you're interested on <a href="/wiki/Help:Watchlist" title="Help:Watchlist">your watchlist</a>, or stop by to say hello some time. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-WhatamIdoing-20240115041800-Hey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20240115041800-Hey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20240115041800-Hey"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nice_user_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nice_user_page-20240131160300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nice_user_page-20240131160300"></span>Nice user page <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nice_user_page-20240131160300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchreiberBike-20240131160300-Nice_user_page"></span>I just noticed the similarity in our user page formatting. Keep up the good work. <a href="/wiki/User:SchreiberBike" title="User:SchreiberBike">SchreiberBike </a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchreiberBike#top" title="User talk:SchreiberBike"> ⌨ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-SchreiberBike-20240131160300-Nice_user_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchreiberBike-20240131160300-Nice_user_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchreiberBike-20240131160300-Nice_user_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20240131191000-SchreiberBike-20240131160300"></span>Well, I had to steal it from somewhere! <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20240131191000-SchreiberBike-20240131160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20240131191000-SchreiberBike-20240131160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20240131191000-SchreiberBike-20240131160300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Human-Centricists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Human-Centricists-20240207073500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Human-Centricists-20240207073500"></span>Human-Centricists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Human-Centricists-20240207073500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500-Human-Centricists"></span>Hey there. </p><p>When you replied to me on "colour vision", you told me that human-centricists sometime REMOVE animal info just for the sake of it. Well, for the past few months I and I think a few others have been trying to deal with an infamous human-centricist that goes by "Autisticeditor 20". </p><p>This guy likes to change a LOT of biology articles links to using human anatomy links, even in articles that aren't talking exclusively about humans, and sometimes even in animal species articles, and he has gotten in trouble for many of these. He also has a record of trashing others for removing his edits and some of them are also really threatening. He's a guy I both want to revert his human anatomy links in non human articles because it wasn't appropriate to do so, but also I don't want to mess with him as he's a really scary guy. </p><p>Have you ever dealt with him, and what can I do? <a href="/wiki/User:LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist" title="User:LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist">LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist" title="User talk:LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500-Human-Centricists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500-Human-Centricists"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500-Human-Centricists"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Curran919-20240207095000-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist" title="User:LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist">LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist</a> No, I've never dealt with him and I stick away from the genital/reproductive articles, which seems to be his main haunt. I don't really have the bandwidth for joining in drama that doesn't relate to me (I'm not exactly a veteran here...). I don't know why you would be scared of a wikipedian though, just because they act neurodivergently sometimes. Just revert if you think the edit is regressive, give an explanatory reversion reason and start a discussion on the article's talk page to cover your bases and maybe attract some support. If they unrevert and you still care, then escalate it. At a cursory glance, I see that their recent edits involved making a clearer distinction between <a href="/wiki/Polygyny" title="Polygyny">polygyny</a> and <a href="/wiki/Polygyny_in_animals" title="Polygyny in animals">polygyny in animals</a>, which is not emblematic of non-human erasure. Dunno... don't be afraid of the revert button, just be kind when you use it. <a href="/wiki/User:Curran919" title="User:Curran919">Curran919</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curran919#c-Curran919-20240207095000-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Curran919-20240207095000-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Curran919-20240207095000-LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist-20240207073500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages_has_been_nominated_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-20240622215000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-20240622215000"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Color pages">Category:All WikiProject Color pages</a> has been nominated for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-20240622215000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaundryPizza03-20240622215000-Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Color_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Color pages">Category:All WikiProject Color pages</a> has been nominated for deletion. 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