4.3 Energy Efficiency Brings Blessings to Delaware Houses of Faith | Podcast

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In Delaware, two state nonprofits have formed a partnership to help address this problem, running energy audits and providing educational outreach to faith communities across the state. Dan and Emma speak with Shweta Arya from Delaware Interfaith Power & Light and Tony DePrima from Energize Delaware to learn about their Faith Efficiencies program and the benefits it can have for houses of worship. They are also joined by Pastor John Graham of Temple United Church in Wilmington, who shares stories of the transformation in his church after completing energy efficiency upgrades.</p> <p><em>Show notes:</em></p> <p><em><a href="https://www.eesi.org/energy-efficiency-for-nonprofits">Energy Efficiency for Nonprofits article series</a></em></p> <p><em><a href="https://www.eesi.org/page/Inflation+Reduction+Act">Articles on the Inflation Reduction Act</a></em></p> <p> </p> <p><a href="https://www.eesi.org/salesforce">Sign up for our bi-weekly newsletter</a>, Climate Change Solutions, for insight on the latest innovative climate solutions and environmental policy in action.</p> <p>Follow us on social media<b> </b>@eesionline</p> <table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="1" height="32" width="43"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a href="https://www.facebook.com/eesionline" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="/images/content/Logo-500px-Facebook.png" style="width: 25px; height: 25px;" /></a></td> <td><a href="https://www.instagram.com/eesionline" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="/images/content/Logo-500px-Instagram.png" style="width: 25px; height: 25px;" /></a></td> <td><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/eesionline" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="/images/content/Logo-500px-LinkedIn.png" style="width: 25px; height: 25px;" /></a></td> <td><a href="https://twitter.com/eesionline" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="/images/content/Logo-500px-Twitter.png" style="width: 25px; height: 25px;" /></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <hr /> <p><strong>About this Podcast:</strong></p> <p>With all the depressing climate news out there, it’s sometimes hard to see progress. <strong>The Climate Conversation</strong> cuts through the noise and presents you with relevant climate change solutions happening on the Hill and in communities around the United States.</p> <p>Twice a month, join <em>Environmental and Energy Study Institute</em> staff members as they interview environmental, energy, and policy experts on practical, on-the-ground work that communities, companies, and governments are doing to address climate change.</p> <p>Whether you want to learn more about the solutions to climate change, are an expert in environmental issues, or are a policy professional, this podcast is for you.</p> <table border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);"><strong>The Climate Conversation</strong> is published as a supplement to our bi-weekly newsletter, <em><strong><a href="https://www.eesi.org/newsletters/climate-change-solutions">Climate Change Solutions</a></strong>.</em></td> <td style="background-color: rgb(221, 221, 221);"><a href="http://www.eesi.org/subscribe" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="/images/content/Button-Subscribe-Purple.png" style="width: 150px; height: 39px;" /></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p> </p> <p>Episode Transcript:</p> <p><strong>Dan Bresette</strong>: Hello, and welcome to <em>The Climate Conversation</em>. I'm Dan Bresette, executive director of the Environmental and Energy Study Institute. We are rolling along in season four and I hope you've enjoyed our past two episodes about <a href="https://www.eesi.org/podcasts/view/4.1-colorado-cafeterias-serve-up-a-healthy-meal-program-for-kids-and-the-climate">food waste in schools</a>, and then how the <a href="https://www.eesi.org/podcasts/view/4.2-boosting-innovative-companies-to-accelerate-climate-solutions">private sector can accelerate climate action</a>. As always, my intrepid co-host is with me again, Emma Johnson. Hi, Emma, how are you doing today?</p> <p><strong>Emma Johnson</strong>: Hey, Dan. I'm doing well. And hello, listeners. Thanks for joining us for another great episode. I'm so excited to share more great climate solutions and stories with you all. We're going to be talking about one of our favorite topics here at EESI, which is energy efficiency. We're going to be focusing on the benefits of energy efficiency for nonprofits to connect with our ongoing article series about that topic, which you can read in the show notes for this episode.                                                     </p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Emma, you know me, I love energy efficiency. EESI loves energy efficiency, it is the best. Why is it the best? Because it helps you use less energy in the first place. It delivers energy savings, lower utility bills, and most importantly of all, it is the fastest, cheapest, most direct way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Even simple upgrades like installing weather stripping and caulking around your doors and windows. Installing a programmable thermostat, or switching to LED light bulbs and exit signs can lead to big savings on your energy bill whether you are in a apartment, single family home, multifamily building, a large commercial building, warehouse and industrial facility. savings from energy efficiency have been everywhere. And then whole building retrofits like upgrading to high efficiency heating and cooling systems can improve the way in entire building feels and operates.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: I'm reminded of something that Paula Glover, who is the president of the Alliance to Save Energy said during our <a href="https://www.eesi.org/briefings/view/expo2022">Congressional Policy Forum</a>, which we held back in July, she said, “Every electron or therm that you don't have to use as big a savings as producing something clean and using that, I would suggest it's even better.” And I found that a very powerful and important statement to remember as we go through this conversation.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: These savings can be a big deal for low income homeowners or renters, who often pay a disproportionate amount of their income on their energy bills. The American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy, or ACEEE, found that on average, low income households pay 7% of their household income on utilities, which is more than three times the amount that higher income households pay. In addition, Black and Latino households typically spend a higher percentage of their income on energy bills than white households. Energy efficiency upgrades can close this gap by at least a third.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: In addition to that the nonprofit sector could also really benefit from these sorts of savings.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Absolutely. Nonprofit organizations like schools, libraries, worship centers and hospitals play core roles in our communities, but may not have the funds to sustain themselves or grow. For nonprofits that operate out of commercial buildings, as much as 30% of the energy used is wasted. with energy efficiency upgrades, nonprofits could use the money saved to free up resources for their core missions, set a good example of environmental stewardship, and improve the wellness of everyone who steps into their buildings.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: We know that energy efficiency upgrades are so beneficial for commercial buildings. And there's funding from the federal government to help nonprofits get started. The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act or the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, which was passed in November 2021, included an initiative called the Energy Efficiency Materials Pilot Program. Out of a total pot of $50 million, the Department of Energy is awarding grants of up to $200,000 to nonprofits to provide energy efficiency upgrades for commercial buildings. Stay tuned at energy.gov for the timeline for those applications, or keep up with our energy efficiency work to stay in the loop of all these grant programs that are going on.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: And there's also a ton going on for energy efficiency in the big climate bill called the Inflation Reduction Act. This was the bill that was signed into law by President Biden in August 2022, including billions of dollars to help households electrify home appliances and complete energy efficiency retrofits. There's also a billion dollar grant program to make affordable housing more energy efficient. To learn about the electrification measures in the Inflation Reduction Act, check out our articles linked to in the show notes.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: These programs and grants will do wonders to advance energy efficiency over the next decade, but they're also funding mechanisms that are available to nonprofits right now. ENERGY STAR, the government program for energy efficiency that works through the Environmental Protection Agency, offers rebates for using ENERGY STAR products. Nonprofits can also get loans from a green bank, which is a lending institution that helps finance clean energy projects.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: In this episode, we will be highlighting a partnership between <a href="https://delawareipl.org/dev/">Delaware Interfaith Power & Light</a> and <a href="https://www.energizedelaware.org/">Energize Delaware</a> to bring energy efficiency to faith congregations. A state chapter of a national nonprofit, Delaware Interfaith Power and Light is working to inspire people of faith to take bold and just action on climate change. Energize Delaware is a nonprofit that offers an array of energy efficiency programs, including home energy audits and renewable energy credits. The partnership has been offering a program called <a href="https://delawareipl.org/dev/faith-efficiencies/">Faith Efficiencies Energy Assessments</a> since 2014 to facilitate energy audits and education for faith communities, which they have already done for more than 70 congregations. Just this past July, the program added a new seed grant which will help make the upgrades identified and energy audits into reality. One of the congregations that has completed an energy audit and upgrades through this partnership is Temple United Church in Wilmington.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: And we have three very special guests with us from Delaware Interfaith Power & Light, Energize Delaware, and Temple United Church to talk about the Faith Efficiencies program and the benefits that energy efficiency upgrades can bring to faith communities in Delaware.</p> <p><strong>Shweta Arya</strong>: My name is Shweta Arya, and I'm the Executive Director of Delaware Interfaith Power and Light.</p> <p><strong>Tony DePrima</strong>: I'm Tony DePrima, and I am the Executive Director of energize Delaware.</p> <p><strong>Pastor John Graham</strong>: Pastor Graham, Temple United Church, Wilmington, Delaware. We are a nonprofit recognized by the state of Delaware as well as the internal revenue. We have been in existence for over 50 years, I've been the same pastor and somehow or another they’ve put up with me.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Welcome Shweta, Tony, and Pastor Graham, it's great to have you on the podcast.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: I'd like to start out by asking all of you about the connection between faith communities and climate action in general. What role do faith communities have in the climate movement? And how have you all seen this connection manifest in faith communities around Delaware?</p> <p><strong>Shweta</strong>: We really believe that climate change is a moral and ethical issue. We have seen climate scientists, environmentalists have been sharing this information that climate change is a planetary crisis. But we also see the people are not mobilized, they're not invested, they don't understand the urgency. So I think we really at this time of crisis, we really need an all-hands-on-deck kind of approach. And we really believe that faith communities, faith leaders can really take a lead on this issue. And you know, 80% of the people in the community are following one or the other faith tradition, and all different faith traditions, whether it's Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam. The underlying thing is that we all believe that we really are the caretakers of this sacred Earth. And we really can get together and solve this crisis that we have created. So for us, we provide the resources to our faith communities to do what they can to take care of the community.</p> <p><strong>Tony</strong>: So then I'll chime in and say, you can see the energy and excitement that Shweta is sort of manifesting from the faith community. And so given that what our mission was, we started to pick up on that leadership, on the excitement. And we said, we have to get on board with this, right, we've got to make this connection, not only to the organization, Interfaith Power and Light, but to all of the congregations that we work. So for us, the connection was simply to offer assistance to Shweta for her organization, to meet her mission, which is also our mission for an important working group of Delawareans.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: Moving to the work that you all are doing in Delaware, why is it so important that faith buildings receive energy efficiency audits and upgrades, especially for faith communities that are primarily people of color? And what other ways do you all engage with faith groups to help them thrive in terms of these energy efficiency upgrades and other actions against climate change?</p> <p><strong>Pastor Graham</strong>: Well I believe that I can speak for Temple, okay. This church building had been here since back in the 20s. And, of course, obviously, wear and tear, all of a sudden, we were trying to heat the outdoors from the inside, because all of our heat inside was going outside. As a result of the audit and the thing that came through to show us where the energy was going, rather than stay in here, of course, helped us to the point where we pass this on to other churches, and who also were in the same predicament with when it came to the settling of the building and all this type of thing. And so we believe that certainly it would be a blessing continuing to pass this on to other people and other churches. And as a result we've been in able to have other churches involved. For instance, my neighbor down the street at Tabernacle, we're working with a with a couple of other churches that are in the West Center City community.</p> <p><strong>Tony</strong>: From our perspective, you know, churches are important for all the reasons we just heard from Pastor Graham, right. The story he's telling is not unusual. There are churches throughout Delaware that are aging and are energy inefficient. So when we saw an opportunity to work with Interfaith Power and Light, it was really to help buildings, right, our job is to help buildings throughout Delaware. And in houses of worship, they're buildings and they're everywhere, and they're in need. And often that market doesn't have the funds to help with their energy bills. So that was just a natural part of our mission, it was one of the sectors we wanted to hit. But more important in many ways for us, a congregation like Pastor Graham's is a window into a community that now allows us to market our residential programs. To get the word out for residential programs. I'm sure there are people in Pastor Graham's congregation who are business owners. Well, now they can learn about our business programs. I'm sure there are people in his congregation that are on other church boards or nonprofit boards, they can learn about it. So this was for us a huge networking opportunity. And then with regard to connections to people of color, you know, again, churches play an extremely important role in that community. It's a major way that we can communicate with that community. And my board of directors has directed some time ago saying we need to be a part of creating environmental justice here in Delaware. All too often these communities have been ignored, or even put upon through environmental policies. So we saw this as just an opportunity to be a part of improving or acting on environmental justice issues. So we really appreciate what they do. And you heard earlier from the Pastor how he took the information, he networked within his community. So there's so much that happens in a rolling basis on these programs.</p> <p><strong>Shweta</strong>: If we look at how extensive a network of faith congregations all over the state and all over the country, we really can tap into that opportunity of connectedness, right. So just in city of Wilmington alone, we have over 200 houses of faith, and to reach out to them to disseminate this information that we have from not only Energize Delaware, but other community serving organizations, we collect all that information, and then we share that with our faith network. So it is a really strong network that can get the information out to the community. And of course, all this aging infrastructure that we have, you know, a lot of these congregations are hundreds of years old, and very inefficient. So this funding can really help.</p> <p><strong>Tony</strong>: So I also want to chime in and just say that, you know, it doesn't stop with Shweta’s, our program, our Faith Efficiency program that Shweta manages for us, it doesn't stop there. Once they're done, then we get back in and we say, okay, how can we help you pay for and fund your improvements. So we have done loans to churches for energy efficiency improvements, we've done low-interest loans to churches for solar systems. We have done some grants, or at least show them how to get grants. You're going to hear in a minute about the new seed grants that Shweta is rolling out with us. And also we've just rolled out a new program called the Energize Delaware Empowerment Program that is also designed to do grants for nonprofit organizations in low- and moderate-income communities that need to have their buildings improved, or for programs job training. So there's lots happening here. And so it keeps going after Shweta’s program has done their work.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Tony, you just mentioned the seed grant program. And I like to come back to that. In Emma's intro of this discussion, she mentioned that the Faith Efficiencies program has already performed 70 energy audits for houses of worship in Delaware. Shweta and Tony, how will the seed grant add to this work? And could you describe how the program will function and what services you'll be able to now provide to communities that you weren't able to before?</p> <p><strong>Shweta</strong>: So I can start and then Tony can chime in. We’ve had this faith deficiencies program for several years now. And as you said, we've served and did more than 70 energy audits for congregations. So what we realized was that a lot of these congregations who have done the audit, we wanted to dig in more and see how our program can become more effective. So a lot of times they will take steps, which did not cost them money. And they went ahead and did all those steps. But in many cases, they were not going ahead and doing some of that work. So we were thinking, how can we take that next step where we can motivate them to take the next step and do the work that comes out in those audits for them to do. So one was the financial hardship, and COVID did not make it any easier. A lot of congregations, a lot of the houses of faith are struggling to pay those huge utility bills. So can we bring them some funding to get and go ahead and do the work that is called for in the audit. And secondly is, you know, sometimes all this work can also get very technical. So we also, when we designed the seed grant program, we also put in technical help for congregations, if they need any technical assistance, these audits and, you know, this work can be a little technical. So we, we included some of the technical assistance in there as well. When congregations do their audits, that's a prerequisite to apply for the seed grant, then they can apply for up to $6,000 to get the work started. It's not a huge amount of money, but it's not too little, just enough to motivate them to get going and Temple United is our very first congregation to participate in the seed grant program when it got going last month and inviting the congregations in Delaware to participate in this program, we made the application really, really simple, just a two-page application to get them started with the work. And then of course, if their needs are a little bigger, they can tap into the bigger funding that Energize Delaware is offering. I’ll let Tony chime in and share a little bit more.</p> <p><strong>Tony</strong>: I think Shweta you've done a great job of doing that, again, we saw an opportunity and we funded it and that's what we do best. And, and so we'll be looking forward to how those seed grants are used. And we will be looking for more opportunities to help the churches even further along or the houses of worship further along.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: Pastor Graham, I would love to hear from you more about how you first got involved in the beginning. And can you talk a little bit more about the upgrades that you will have been making at your church?</p> <p><strong>Pastor Graham</strong>: How much time you have? Haha, okay, anyway. Okay, let me say that it's been over 10 years or so since when we became involved. Because of my 79-year-old mind, I might forget some names. But John Sykes and company, I'll put it that way. We started back about 10 years ago working with different things here at the church. Initially, we were dealing with, with lighting, we moved from lighting to of course, the audit piece, which were put in us with lights and insulation, some of the things that obviously that we needed to reduce our energy costs. As a result of that, I'll say in the last two years, we've seen at least a 50% reduction in the winter and summer heating and cooling prices. We were spending during the winter prior to all of this that we received, $1,000 bills during the winter, for heating. Now, our bills average anywhere under 500 per month. And I mean when it's really cold cold. During the summer months, we found that our energy bills, which used to be five or more are now down to like two, I would say average 250 a month. So I'm just saying we have really benefited in such a grand way when it’s time to make any type of donations per se to the program, we're going to do that, at least averaging $100 per year. So that because this is the savings that we're receiving. And so we want to put this back to them in donations. So this is where we are, we really we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt. It was a blessing to us. And I do see it as continued to be a blessing because the more we get information from things that need to be done, I see the congregation now excited and ready to spend the money to get it done.</p> <p><strong>Shweta</strong>: Pastor John, can you also talk about the <a href="https://delawareipl.org/dev/windows-of-hope/">Windows of Hope program</a> because that really helped with your energy saving bills.</p> <p><strong>Pastor Graham</strong>: Well, that's where obviously I believe was one of the biggest helps because we were able to get Windows of Hope, in other words insulations put inside the building. And so as a result of that, that also saved our energy. Because again, with windows being old and of course, air coming from different directions, that insulation was a big help. When we first put in our windows, especially starting to put them in, we could actually see the wind blowing against the plastic. So of course, that was a assurance as far as Windows of Hope is concerned. We are continuing with the shop here in the building, we gave that room totally to Windows of Hope as a means of keeping this project in the community. With grants that we received from Energize Delaware, etc., we've been able to hire people within the neighborhood to build the windows. If I’m correct, right now we have about four or five people that are, I would say, experts in building it. They've also went out into the community and done that outreach and got people from outside of the West Center City community or surrounding areas to build windows themselves. I have one of our members here, who came in and learned how to build a window and she built her own window for her own house. So all of these things, all the involvement is due to Shweta and company, John and company, Tony and company. This is why I'm such a PR person when it comes to this program. When it comes to both to IMAC [Interdenominational Ministers Action Council], I'll also mention it to my group, because I'm a part of the governance faith-based community group. But all of the different interdenominational groups, I'm also a part of that for the other churches that are outside of the community. Because I truly believe that this is one of the best things that could happen for nonprofits who don't have the money.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: That's fantastic. Congratulations on savings of up to 50% in the summer and in the cold. And I bet, Pastor Graham, that your congregation is a lot more comfortable than winter, and a lot more comfortable in the summer. And it makes them enjoy your sermons a lot more to I would bet.</p> <p><strong>Pastor Graham</strong>: Yes, they are, they really are. One thing that I found, unfortunately, is that it became so warm a couple of times during the winter that people had fans. I said, Whoa, turn the thermostat down. Well, we have the, you know, the automatic thermostat piece that we set, I think if I'm correct around 68, and it keeps everything wonderful.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: This is a question for any of the three of you who'd like to answer. EESI, we pay very close attention to what Congress is up, to what the federal government's up to. We always like to reach into states like Delaware and find great success stories of cool programs and initiatives that are making a difference. But Congress has been busy and the federal government's been busy. And I'm curious if any of you have any thoughts about some of the new programs or initiatives that might be coming out of either the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill that was passed last November, or maybe the more recently enacted Inflation Reduction Act? Are there any programs or funding sources that you're looking forward to potentially accessing?</p> <p><strong>Tony</strong>: You know, it's still unfolding what's gonna happen from this legislation. We know that there's been an extension of tax credits for both energy efficiency and renewable energy work. We know that there's at least $9 billion going into state energy offices, how much is coming to Delaware, we're not sure yet, and how that will be distributed. But that money’s for homeowner rebates for energy efficiency and for what they call high efficiency home measures. We know that there's $2 million set aside for job creation for retrofit jobs, training people how to work on homes. And we know in terms of environmental equity, there's $3 billion, that's called going to be called the climate justice block grants. So there's a lot of money out there, how it's going to be farmed out, and how it will function is yet unfolding. I think one of the more exciting things for churches is I understand there may now be a possibility that, nonprofits can never take advantage of those federal tax credits, right, they don't pay taxes, so I can't take advantage. My understanding is that there will be some mechanisms to allow a nonprofit to take the tax credit and sell it and there may be some opportunities for what they're calling direct payment. In other words, you don't get the tax credit. But we'll give you an equivalent amount that you should get if you're a taxpayer. Again, unclear how all of that is going to unfold. But I think that's exciting news for nonprofits. I thought it was interesting, one of the things I read is that if everything unfolds as planned with this money, we will be two thirds of the way towards our commitment to the Paris Accords. And I think that's huge. That accord sets I think a 50% reduction on the amount of energy over 2006.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: So this has been a great conversation and obviously amazing work being done in Delaware that has been done. I'm curious what you've all learned from your experience with Faith Efficiencies. And if you were talking with a peer organization from somewhere, not in Delaware, you know, a state that maybe doesn't have Energize Delaware or an equivalent, what are the lessons that you would share with them, to help them create the kinds of programs that you all have in Delaware that are delivering benefits to communities across your state?</p> <p><strong>Tony</strong>: Early on, what we learned about churches is that many churches don't have full-time maintenance people. They don't have experienced folks in there constantly tweaking the HVAC systems and working with the lights and all of that. Oftentimes, it's volunteer building committees. And so these energy audits that when we're coming in there, we're really educating people on things that shouldn't be happening. Sometimes we're educating the part-time maintenance folks. But oftentimes, the problem is, is that they don't have professional on-staff people making sure things are kept up to date. Oftentimes, what's found in these energy audits, is a fan that's running, that doesn't need to be running, where there's a light bulb on all the time that doesn't need to be on all the time. And it's these, you know, sometimes it's just flipping a switch could save several $100 a year. And we find that all the time in these programs.</p> <p><strong>Shweta</strong>: And I would just say that, you know, energy efficiency is the most underutilized climate solution that we have. And so I hope that in the states that have not really worked on energy efficiency through a faith network, then maybe speak with a IPL, if there is an established IPL chapter in that state, and you know, get together with them, and connect them with a funding source, like Energize Delaware. In all our programs, we have added funding of some sort, because funding makes everything easier. You know, so get together funding source, and that add an element of education. So any program that we bring to our congregations, we always have an educational component to it. So if a congregation is making use of an audit, then after the audit, we require them to host an educational presentation on how can they do an energy audit in their own homes for the members. So educating, not stopping at the congregation, but making it a model for sustainability and then making sure the community members are educated on those issues as well.</p> <p><strong>Pastor Graham</strong>: Well, I know that as far as churches are concerned, things that they've seen happening here, they have passed it on quite a bit to their various neighbors. I've mentioned it to several people as I have said on the outside. As far as other states are concerned, I would obviously refer them to their representative for that particular area that’s what I would do, if something like that could be possibly done.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Shweta, Tony, Pastor Graham, thank you so much for coming on the show today and sharing your experiences on working on energy efficiency upgrades with faith communities in Delaware. It was a real delight to meet you. And you were fantastic podcast guests.</p> <p><strong>Shweta, Tony, Pastor Graham</strong>: Thanks so much.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Well, Emma, that was a great conversation, it's just so great when our podcast guests not only get along so well, but work so closely together. Shweta and Tony and Pastor Graham, obviously have so much to share with our audience and with other organizations, nonprofit organizations, state energy offices, faith organizations, just such a great experience that they've had in Delaware. It really, really means a lot that they were willing to share that with us today.</p> <p><strong>Emma</strong>: Yeah, I agree. Dan, it was great to hear from them. And I always think it's so powerful when we're able to connect the work that we are talking about and thinking about at the federal level and seeing it actually happen in communities. You know, when Pastor Graham was talking about how much his congregation is saving on energy bills each month and just the benefits its having to the church from the money saved to how much more comfortable people are sitting in the building to overall wellbeing and happiness of the community in general. It's great to see this connection from federal energy efficiency money to Temple United Church in Wilmington, come together and see it all work out.</p> <p><strong>Dan</strong>: Absolutely, Emma, and I think Pastor Graham said it. He was talking about paying $1,000 a month for energy in the winter, and effectively heating the outdoors and paying $500 a month to keep his church cool in summer and effectively cooling the outdoors. That's not what his organization is set out to do. His organization has a mission that could use those $500 every month in the winter and every $250 in the summer to make life better for their congregants or improving quality of life in their community. 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