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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Editing_of_Biographies_of_Living_Persons#Final_decision">[4]</a>] </p><p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Republican_Party_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Republican_Party_article-20240102160500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Republican_Party_article-20240102160500"></span>Republican Party article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Republican_Party_article-20240102160500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Republican Party article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20240102160500-Republican_Party_article"></span>Springee</a> I'm confused and surprised at your position on this issue. Should we exclude mentions of <a href="/wiki/White_supremacy" title="White supremacy">White supremacy</a> from certain parts of the <a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democratic Party (United States)</a> article as well? <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Darknipples-20240102160500-Republican_Party_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20240102160500-Republican_Party_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20240102160500-Republican_Party_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240102163000-Darknipples-20240102160500"></span>My comment was made in a specific context. If you have a specific context for the Democratic Party I may be able to provide a better answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240102163000-Darknipples-20240102160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240102163000-Darknipples-20240102160500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240102163000-Darknipples-20240102160500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPNO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPNO"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20240104115700-Springee-20240102163000"></span>WP:TPNO</a> I'm asking you politely, to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARepublican_Party_%28United_States%29&diff=1193552351&oldid=1193551890">please stop</a> bringing up old discussions in order to misrepresent me in a negative way that is misleading and has no bearing on the current discussion. If you feel I said or did something inappropriate on a different article years ago, you can address it with me here or on my talk page. Agreed? <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Darknipples-20240104115700-Springee-20240102163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20240104115700-Springee-20240102163000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20240104115700-Springee-20240102163000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240104120500-Darknipples-20240104115700"></span>DN, I'm not claim you said or did anything inappropriate at that previous discussion. Saying that a source you provided said scholars don't agree on the topic is hardly casting you or anything you have done in a negative light. To be clear, if you did anything inappropriate at that article I don't recall it. I do recall that we disagreed on content but I wouldn't think our disagreement represents anything inappropriate. The reason why I mentioned it at all was to point out that key word searches can often make it easy to find some journalist, scholars who agree but it's often harder to find the scholars etc who disagree. However, we shouldn't take that to mean there is a consensus among scholars etc that a claim is in fact true. The problem with the claim in question at the GOP article is that it's being presented as an established fact vs opinion of sources who's biases are not clear. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240104120500-Darknipples-20240104115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240104120500-Darknipples-20240104115700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240104120500-Darknipples-20240104115700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240104131000-Springee-20240104120500"></span>To be clear, I don't understand the problem but I won't mention that you provided the source if that works for you. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240104131000-Springee-20240104120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240104131000-Springee-20240104120500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240104131000-Springee-20240104120500"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpringee&diff=1193556333&oldid=1193555434"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20240104140800-Springee-20240104131000"></span>1</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARepublican_Party_%28United_States%29&diff=1193561970&oldid=1193560387">2</a> You are continuing to drag this out despite my request and have yet to strike per my request. Your continued use of the article talk page in this manner makes it worse. For the last time, please cut it out. Do not expect me to engage on this matter with you there. In fact, do not expect me to engage with you at all for a while. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Darknipples-20240104140800-Springee-20240104131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20240104140800-Springee-20240104131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20240104140800-Springee-20240104131000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240104150200-Darknipples-20240104140800"></span>To be clear, citing an example of another GOP related dispute and how scholars don't all agree is a completely acceptable discussion point. I don't see how this statement, "There is nothing inappropriate about mentioning that a source you provided stated that scholars aren't in agreement about the topic” is unacceptable. Both parts are true and neither impugns you. I really am confused about the issue at hand. Absent some explain why this is an issue I won't strike the comment but I also won't associate you with the source in question going forward. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240104150200-Darknipples-20240104140800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240104150200-Darknipples-20240104140800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240104150200-Darknipples-20240104140800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20240113192100-Springee-20240104150200"></span>Just a heads up, I've spoken to Cortador asking them to try and disengage a bit. I don't see your discussions with them being very productive, so I have offered to act as a bit of a buffer. Hope you are having a nice weekend. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Darknipples-20240113192100-Springee-20240104150200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20240113192100-Springee-20240104150200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20240113192100-Springee-20240104150200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240113204500-Darknipples-20240113192100"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a>. I know we often disagree but I appreciate that you make efforts like this. I hope you are also having a good weekend. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240113204500-Darknipples-20240113192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240113204500-Darknipples-20240113192100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240113204500-Darknipples-20240113192100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_10_January_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_10_January_2024-20240112125000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_10_January_2024-20240112125000"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 10 January 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_10_January_2024-20240112125000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 10 January 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240112125000-The_Signpost:_10_January_2024"></span>From the editor: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-01-10/From_the_editor" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-01-10/From the editor">NINETEEN MORE YEARS! 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I have provided two different sets of sources and he hasn't been satisfied with either one. His requirements for content being included are pedantic and legalistic. I know he's claiming WP:V but it feels like that's a cudgel for him to get his way by any means necessary. It also bothers me that he treats me as being uneducated and beneath him for whatever reason, talking down to me as if I'm a child <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080"><a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89" title="User:Purplebackpack89"><span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Purplebackpack89/C" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Purplebackpack89/C"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Purplebackpack89-20240121180600-SamuelRiv_and_right-wing_populism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purplebackpack89-20240121180600-SamuelRiv_and_right-wing_populism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240213043600-The_Signpost:_13_February_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240213043600-The_Signpost:_13_February_2024"></span> </div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith-20240214114700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith-20240214114700"></span>You know better than to deny good faith<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith-20240214114700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: You know better than to deny good faith"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Weller-20240214114700-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith"></span>As you did at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Andy_Ngo" title="Talk:Andy Ngo">Talk:Andy Ngo</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Andy_Ngo#:~:text=Comments%20like%20the,Reply">[5]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Weller" title="User:Doug Weller"><span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller" title="User talk:Doug Weller">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Doug_Weller-20240214114700-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Weller-20240214114700-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Weller-20240214114700-You_know_better_than_to_deny_good_faith"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240214120800-Doug_Weller-20240214114700"></span>I don't think that's denying good faith. Rather the editor's comment personally attacks the BLP subject. A comment like, ".. when certain provocateurs throw tantrums on twitter about what Wikipedia says about them." while linking to a post by the BLP subject doesn't give the impression that we are being IMPARTIAL when writing the article. I'm happy to clarify that this isn't meant to be a claim the editor is acting on bad faith vs the outward appearance of their post. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240214120800-Doug_Weller-20240214114700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240214120800-Doug_Weller-20240214114700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240214120800-Doug_Weller-20240214114700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doug_Weller-20240214121900-Springee-20240214120800"></span>Ok, but editors are entitled to a pov and I don't think that shows that their editing violates anything. <a href="/wiki/User:Doug_Weller" title="User:Doug Weller"><span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller" title="User talk:Doug Weller">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Doug_Weller-20240214121900-Springee-20240214120800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doug_Weller-20240214121900-Springee-20240214120800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doug_Weller-20240214121900-Springee-20240214120800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214140000-Springee-20240214120800"></span>Clearly I made no personal attacks. The subject has been described by numerous reliable sources as a "provocateur". Further any reasonable person could have interpreted his tweet as a tantrum. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-TarnishedPath-20240214140000-Springee-20240214120800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214140000-Springee-20240214120800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20240214140000-Springee-20240214120800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240214142700-TarnishedPath-20240214140000"></span>You are also the editor who pushed the RfC that resulted in the change. You could have just said that Ngo's tweet is likely the cause. However you instead used provocative labels it isn't a big jump for a BLP subject to go from "this is a NPOV summary of what sources say" to "editors who display a bias pushed this change". It's not a question of your actual intent, it's the reasonable way a third party can view your talk page comments. As an example, I think Elon Musk is lower than pond scum and a meet negative to society. For this reason I've largely avoided editing related to him and the few times I have I've been very careful to avoid even the appearance of personal bias. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240214142700-TarnishedPath-20240214140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240214142700-TarnishedPath-20240214140000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240214142700-TarnishedPath-20240214140000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214144900-Springee-20240214142700"></span>You're attributing a massive amount of power to me as the person who took the exact same RfC question that happened 2 year earlier, posted the same question again and pinged all participants from the previous two RfCs. I didn't need to push after that. If I recall you did some pushing at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a> because you didn't like the outcome. The outcome wasn't based on my desire, it was based on consensus and reliable sources. You need to recognise that instead of constantly reinterpreting the narrative. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-TarnishedPath-20240214144900-Springee-20240214142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214144900-Springee-20240214142700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20240214144900-Springee-20240214142700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240214152900-TarnishedPath-20240214144900"></span>I've seen plenty of cases where good faith was misinterpreted. That didn't mean the misinterpretation wasn't understandable. Perhaps a good option here would be to edit your original post to remove the emotive language and simply state the tweet might be the reason for the recent edits. If you do that I'll delete my reply and that should solve the problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240214152900-TarnishedPath-20240214144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240214152900-TarnishedPath-20240214144900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240214152900-TarnishedPath-20240214144900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214153500-Springee-20240214152900"></span>Emotive language? Problem? <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-TarnishedPath-20240214153500-Springee-20240214152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214153500-Springee-20240214152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20240214153500-Springee-20240214152900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240214155400-TarnishedPath-20240214153500"></span>Yes, the emotive words you used to describe a tweet made by the subject of the BLP in question. A reasonable person could read those words and see them as evidence of bias. To avoid that perception is easy to just say the recent tweet by Ngo was likely the reason for the recent activity. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240214155400-TarnishedPath-20240214153500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240214155400-TarnishedPath-20240214153500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240214155400-TarnishedPath-20240214153500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214234500-Springee-20240214155400"></span>The article on him describes him as a "provocateur" in three places. I think I'm quite entitled to call him a provocateur in talk without you trying describe me as having an emotional reaction. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-TarnishedPath-20240214234500-Springee-20240214155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20240214234500-Springee-20240214155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20240214234500-Springee-20240214155400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240215030000-TarnishedPath-20240214234500"></span>Please read my words carefully. I said those are emotive words. I'm not saying you are having an emotional reaction. I'm saying those words and the way you used them can be reasonably viewed as suggesting something other than an impartial view of the subject. The fact of your statement, Ngo tweeted about the change and that likely resulted in people trying to change the article, seems reasonable to me. However, when you coat that factual claim with contentious labels (provocateur) and dismissive terms (tantrums), it presents an appearance that supports the things Ngo is pointing out. I hope you see where I'm coming from even if you feel RSs support what you said. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240215030000-TarnishedPath-20240214234500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240215030000-TarnishedPath-20240214234500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240215030000-TarnishedPath-20240214234500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20240215052900-Springee-20240215030000"></span>On the basis of reliable sources the article describes him as being a "provocateur" on a number of occasions. Certainly his tweet can be viewed in terms as a deliberate provocation and if it wasn't deliberate it certainly had the effect of acting as a provocation. There is nothing unreasonable, impartial nor particularly emotive about using descriptive labels to describe behaviour particularly when there is a large number of sources which use that precise label.</dd> <dd>In any case my comment in talk was merely to convey that I'd happened upon the tweet to demonstrate that, we shouldn't expect constant attempts change the lede unless there was constant external tweeting. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-TarnishedPath-20240215052900-Springee-20240215030000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Elinruby" title="User:Elinruby">Elinruby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elinruby" title="User talk:Elinruby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Elinruby-20240516123000-The_Signpost:_16_May_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elinruby-20240516123000-The_Signpost:_16_May_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elinruby-20240516123000-The_Signpost:_16_May_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_RfC" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_RfC-20240522115300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_RfC-20240522115300"></span>The RfC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_RfC-20240522115300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: The RfC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20240522115300-The_RfC"></span>If you're going to go through and add notes <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1225104995" title="Special:Diff/1225104995">like that</a> to Green sources about 'activist' then I'm sure you wouldn't object to others doing likewise to any source that uses the term 'journalist'? I don't think it's very productive to be quibbling over sources which have been found on the whole to be generally reliable. Do you agree? <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-TarnishedPath-20240522115300-The_RfC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20240522115300-The_RfC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20240522115300-The_RfC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Special report">Wikimedia Movement Charter ratification vote underway, new Council may surpass power of Board</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In focus: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/In focus">How the Russian Wikipedia keeps it clean despite having just a couple dozen administrators</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Discussion report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Discussion report">Wikipedians are hung up on the meaning of Madonna</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/In the media">War and information in war and politics</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Sister projects: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Sister_projects" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Sister projects">On editing Wikisource</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Obituary: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Obituary" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Obituary">Hanif Al Husaini, Salazarov, Hyacinth, and PirjanovNurlan</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Opinion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Opinion">Etika: a Pop Culture Champion</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Gallery: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Gallery">Spokane Willy's photos</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Op-Ed: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Op-Ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Op-Ed">Why you should not vote in the 2024 WMF BoT elections</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Crossword: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Crossword" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Crossword">On a day of independence, beat crosswords into crossploughshares</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Humour: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Humour">A joke</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Cobwebs: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Cobwebs" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Cobwebs">Counting to a billion — manuscripts don't burn</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Recent research">Is Wikipedia Politically Biased? Perhaps</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-04/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-04/Traffic report">Talking about you and me, and the games people play</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Read this Signpost in full</a></b> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2024-07-04" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2024-07-04">Single-page</a> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Unsubscribe</a> * <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240704134000-The_Signpost:_4_July_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240704134000-The_Signpost:_4_July_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240704134000-The_Signpost:_4_July_2024"></span> </div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_22_July_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024-20240722093200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024-20240722093200"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 22 July 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024-20240722093200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 22 July 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240722093200-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024"></span>Discussion report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/Discussion report">Internet users flock to Wikipedia to debate its image policy over Trump raised-fist photo</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/News and notes">Wikimedia community votes to ratify Movement Charter; Wikimedia Foundation opposes ratification</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News from the WMF: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/News_from_the_WMF" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/News from the WMF">Wikimedia Foundation Board resolution and vote on the proposed Movement Charter</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Essay: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/Essay" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/Essay">Reflections on editing and obsession</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/In the media">What's on Putin's fork, the court's docket, and in Harrison's book?</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Obituary: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/Obituary" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/Obituary">JamesR</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Crossword: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/Crossword" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/Crossword">Vaguely bird-shaped crossword</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Humour: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-07-22/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-07-22/Humour">Joe Biden withdraws RfA, Donald Trump selects co-nom</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Read this Signpost in full</a></b> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2024-07-22" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2024-07-22">Single-page</a> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Unsubscribe</a> * <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240722093200-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240722093200-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240722093200-The_Signpost:_22_July_2024"></span> </div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nike" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nike-20240804113800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nike-20240804113800"></span>Nike<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nike-20240804113800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Nike"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20240804113800-Nike"></span>Offtopic, so I am posting here, but have you looked at <a href="/wiki/Nike,_Inc." title="Nike, Inc.">Nike, Inc.</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Polygnotus-20240804113800-Nike" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20240804113800-Nike"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20240804113800-Nike"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240804122800-Polygnotus-20240804113800"></span>I recall there being an essay on this. It isn't wp:OTHER but it might have been similar. Basically the idea is that because Wikipedia doesn't have a central editor we shouldn't presume that any particular article should be seen as the standard for how another article should be presented. What this could indicate is that both articles need fixing. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240804122800-Polygnotus-20240804113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240804122800-Polygnotus-20240804113800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240804122800-Polygnotus-20240804113800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polygnotus-20240804123200-Springee-20240804122800"></span>Both articles are suboptimal. And the Xiao Xiao lawsuit and the Lil Nas X Satan Shoes controversies are very insignificant compared to the forced labor/child labor stuff... <a href="/wiki/User:Polygnotus" title="User:Polygnotus">Polygnotus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polygnotus" title="User talk:Polygnotus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Polygnotus-20240804123200-Springee-20240804122800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polygnotus-20240804123200-Springee-20240804122800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polygnotus-20240804123200-Springee-20240804122800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20240804124700-Polygnotus-20240804123200"></span>I'm not familiar with the Nike article in general but I would presume the offshore labor issues would be the primary controversy. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20240804124700-Polygnotus-20240804123200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20240804124700-Polygnotus-20240804123200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20240804124700-Polygnotus-20240804123200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_14_August_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-20240814224900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-20240814224900"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 14 August 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024-20240814224900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 14 August 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240814224900-The_Signpost:_14_August_2024"></span>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/In the media">Portland pol profile paid for from public purse</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Recent research">STORM: AI agents role-play as "Wikipedia editors" and "experts" to create Wikipedia-like articles, a more sophisticated effort than previous auto-generation systems</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In focus: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/In focus">Twitter marks the spot</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/News and notes">Another Wikimania has concluded.</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Special report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Special report">Nano or just nothing: Will nano go nuclear?</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Opinion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Opinion">HouseBlaster's RfA debriefing</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Traffic report">Ball games, movies, elections, but nothing really <i>weird</i></a></li></ul> <ul><li>Humour: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-08-14/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-08-14/Humour">I'm proud to be a template</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; 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Is Wikipedia ready?</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-04/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-04/Recent research">Simulated Wikipedia seen as less credible than ChatGPT and Alexa in experiment</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News from the WMF: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-04/News_from_the_WMF" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-04/News from the WMF">Meet the 12 candidates running in the WMF Board of Trustees election</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Wikimania: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-04/Wikimania" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-04/Wikimania">A month after Wikimania 2024</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Serendipity: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-04/Serendipity" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-04/Serendipity">What it's like to be Wikimedian of the Year</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-04/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-04/Traffic report">After the gold rush</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Humour: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-09-04/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-09-04/Humour">Local man halfway through rude reply no longer able to recall why he hates other editor</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; 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Please refer to my last comment regarding this <a href="/wiki/Talk:Gun_show_loophole#Discussion_and_revisions_of_proposed_lead_changes" title="Talk:Gun show loophole">here</a>. </p><p>Am I the only one who finds it unreasonable not to adopt a new title for the GSL page or to maintain the current status quo? I understand that I am just one editor, and that no article or article title needs to meet my individual standards, but I genuinely struggle to see why my comments or points aren’t blatantly obvious to everyone else. What am I missing here? <a href="/wiki/User:Fenharrow" title="User:Fenharrow">Fenharrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fenharrow" title="User talk:Fenharrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Fenharrow-20241105175500-Am_I_crazy?!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenharrow-20241105175500-Am_I_crazy?!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fenharrow-20241105175500-Am_I_crazy?!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Springee-20241113132800-Fenharrow-20241105175500"></span>Sorry <a href="/wiki/User:Fenharrow" title="User:Fenharrow">Fenharrow</a>, I've been offline for a few days. I think your POV is quite reasonable. An issue with Wikipedia, and something we just need to work around, is that numbers are often more important that what we feel is the best argument. That isn't to say that quality of argument means nothing but absent some sort of agreed mediator we often are stuck with numbers on the talk page. I've seen cases where the small talk page consensus (say 3 vs 1) becomes a clear consensus in favor of the "1" after a RfC. Other times we are stuck trying to realize where the limits are (it seems getting consensus to move this article isn't happening right now). So the options are trying to make a case at a notice board where more uninvolved editors can weigh in, or work within the current article structure to try to fix things as much as possible. It can be frustrating and if you need to, take a break or just post agreements with the editors with whom you do agree. Remember that the other side might be feeling the same way and we should try to keep all the replies about the issues at hand. BTW, I do think it's reasonable to say how a new bit of text might be viewed by a reader. "A reader is likely to view that as biased because..." For what it's worth, a lot of changes have been made to the article of late but I'm not sure I've seen a true consensus for many of them, especially the removal of "political term" from the opening of the lead. <a href="/wiki/User:Springee" title="User:Springee">Springee</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Springee-20241113132800-Fenharrow-20241105175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Springee-20241113132800-Fenharrow-20241105175500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Springee-20241113132800-Fenharrow-20241105175500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fenharrow-20241113165000-Springee-20241113132800"></span>Ah! It's great to hear from you, Springee! Ideally, I would start an RM seeking "Private Sale Exemption" (PSE), but has that ship sailed already? Interestingly, some editors who opposed the previous RMs seem to agree that PSE and GSL are "largely synonymous". Allowing the article to remain as GSL feels like a disservice to anyone on Wikipedia seeking to learn about the subject. I would like to challenge the page title. When do you think would be a suitable time to do that? Alternatively, merging GSL with "Gun Shows in the United States" also seems to work. Please share your thoughts! <a href="/wiki/User:Fenharrow" title="User:Fenharrow">Fenharrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fenharrow" title="User talk:Fenharrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Fenharrow-20241113165000-Springee-20241113132800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenharrow-20241113165000-Springee-20241113132800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fenharrow-20241113165000-Springee-20241113132800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_6_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_6_November_2024-20241106080600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_6_November_2024-20241106080600"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 6 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_6_November_2024-20241106080600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 6 November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241106080600-The_Signpost:_6_November_2024"></span>From the editors: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/From_the_editors" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-06/From the editors">Editing Wikipedia should not be a crime</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-06/News and notes">Wikimedia Foundation shares ANI lawsuit updates; 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You said "we are talking about a simple template". If that is all this is why put so much effort to justify inclusion?</q> </p> <dl><dd>Framing <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASouthern_strategy&diff=1255303962&oldid=1251796236">my questions and comments</a> as "putting so much effort to justify" puts the focus on me, not on the discussion or the arguments at hand. Conversely, it also conveniently ignores the "effort" you've also put in thus far.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I am required to assume good faith, but I'm concerned with the timing in which you decided to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AConservatism_US&diff=1257545763&oldid=1257535302">to remove Southern Strategy</a> from the history section on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NAVBOX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NAVBOX">WP:NAVBOX</a> at <a href="/wiki/Template:Conservatism_US" title="Template:Conservatism US">Template:Conservatism US</a>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>With all due respect the timing of your edit on the template, in combination with the recent turn in the discussion raises serious concerns that I am under no obligation to deal with.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As a result, I will no longer be participating in that discussion, and I will let <a href="/wiki/User:Biohistorian15" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biohistorian15">Biohistorian15</a> decide if they wish to continue.</dd></dl> <p>Best of luck to you both. </p><p>Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Springee#c-Darknipples-20241118031400-Template:_Conservatism_in_the_US_on_Southern_strategy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241118031400-Template:_Conservatism_in_the_US_on_Southern_strategy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241118031400-Template:_Conservatism_in_the_US_on_Southern_strategy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_18_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024-20241118234400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024-20241118234400"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 18 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024-20241118234400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Springee&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 18 November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241118234400-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024"></span>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/News and notes">Open letter to WMF about court case breaks one thousand signatures, big arb case declined, U4C begins accepting cases</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/In the media">Summons issued for Wikipedia editors by Indian court, "Gaza genocide" RfC close in news, old admin Gwern now big AI guy, and a "spectrum of reluctance" over Australian place names</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/Recent research">SPINACH: AI help for asking Wikidata "challenging real-world questions"</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News from the WMF: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_from_the_WMF" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/News from the WMF">Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Endowment audit reports: FY 2023–2024</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/Traffic report">Well, let us share with you our knowledge, about the electoral college</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; 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