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category-countdown category-news-2 tag-andy-jarvis tag-countdown tag-dorcas-naishorua tag-fei-luo tag-gabe-brown tag-lamin-jassey tag-ted tag-ted-conferences tag-ted-countdown tag-ted-talks tag-uma-valeti has-thumbnail not-featured even top i-0" role="article"> <header class="article-header"> <a href="https://blog.ted.com/category/countdown/" class="category-title">Countdown</a> <h1 class="single-title" itemprop="headline">Protein problems: Notes on Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series</h1> <div class="meta clearfix"> <div class="author-desc">Posted by: <a href="https://blog.ted.com/author/marialadias2/" title="Posts by Maria Ladias" class="author url fn" rel="author">Maria Ladias</a>, <a href="https://blog.ted.com/author/oliverfriedman/" title="Posts by Oliver Friedman" class="author url fn" rel="author">Oliver Friedman</a> and <a href="https://blog.ted.com/author/renaereints22/" title="Posts by Renae Reints" class="author url fn" rel="author">Renae Reints</a> <br> <time datetime="2024-06-7">June 7, 2024 at 10:45 am EDT</time> </div> <div class="share"> </div> </div> </header>  <section class="entry-content clearfix"> <div id="attachment_117295" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117295" class="size-full wp-image-117295" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1301-medium.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1301-medium.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1301-medium.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1301-medium.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1301-medium.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1301-medium.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117295" class="wp-caption-text">TED’s David Biello and Lindsay Levin host Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. (Photo: Gilberto Tadday / TED)</p></div> <p>Proteins are the building blocks of life — but producing them comes at a cost to our planet and all the species that call it home. Session 2 of the <a href="https://countdown.ted.com/dilemma-series/food-dilemma-can-we-nourish-10-billion-people-while-restoring-the-earth">TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series</a> took a holistic look at our food system, from the soil that nourishes crops to the animals that graze the land.</p> <p>Six pioneering speakers explored clean and healthy protein sources ranging from regenerative agriculture and fish farms to cultivating animal-free meat and brewing ethical collagen. Here’s a glimpse into the future of food that’s as innovative as it is essential.</p> <p><b>The event</b>: TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, hosted by TED’s <strong>David Biello</strong> and <strong>Lindsay Levin</strong></p> <p><b>When and where</b>: June 6, 2024, at the TED World Theater in New York City</p> <p><b>Speakers</b>: Lamin Jassey, Gabe Brown, Dorcas Naishorua, Andy Jarvis, Fei Luo, Uma Valeti</p> <p><strong>The talks in brief</strong>:</p> <div id="attachment_117280" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117280" class="size-full wp-image-117280" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1334-medium.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1334-medium.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1334-medium.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1334-medium.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1334-medium.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1334-medium.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117280" class="wp-caption-text">Delivering a pre-recorded talk, Lamin Jassey speaks at Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. (Photo: Gilberto Tadday / TED)</p></div> <p>Conservationist and community leader <strong>Lamin Jassey</strong> explains how a fish processing facility in The Gambia brought water pollution and food scarcity to his town, not the promised jobs and profits. He shares how the community has opposed the economic and environmental degradation — for instance, by dismantling a pipe dumping waste into their waters — and calls for more collective action against such harmful factories.</p> <div id="attachment_117281" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117281" class="size-full wp-image-117281" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1420-medium.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1420-medium.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1420-medium.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1420-medium.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1420-medium.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1420-medium.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117281" class="wp-caption-text">Gabe Brown speaks at Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. (Photo: Gilberto Tadday / TED)</p></div> <p><span style="font-weight: 400">After losing most of their crops to hail and drought, farmer </span><b>Gabe Brown</b><span style="font-weight: 400"> and his wife turned to regenerative agricultural practices like integrating livestock and planting more diversely. The result? Their farm was revitalized. He shares his story — a testament to the transformative potential of restorative farming — and six healthy soil principles to bring life back to the land.</span></p> <div id="attachment_117283" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117283" class="size-full wp-image-117283" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1485.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1485.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1485.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1485.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1485.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1485.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117283" class="wp-caption-text">Delivering a pre-recorded talk, Dorcas Naishorua speaks at Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. (Photo: Gilberto Tadday / TED)</p></div> <p>The Maasai people have lived sustainably off the savannah for centuries, but the climate crisis is causing resource scarcity so severe that families trade their girls for grass, desperate to feed their cattle through the worst droughts. Miss Climate Kenya <strong>Dorcas Naishorua</strong> advocates for a better way forward, presenting her people’s resilience and sharing how they’ve been forced to adapt to a changing environment.</p> <div id="attachment_117284" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117284" class="size-full wp-image-117284" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT1754-medium.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT1754-medium.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT1754-medium.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT1754-medium.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT1754-medium.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT1754-medium.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117284" class="wp-caption-text">Andy Jarvis speaks at Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. (Photo: Gilberto Tadday / TED)</p></div> <p>How do we produce food without destroying nature? It won’t be by telling people what to eat, says <strong>Andy Jarvis</strong>, the director for the future of food at the Bezos Earth Fund. He presents a menu of sustainable options (like alternative proteins and cultivated meat) that could drastically lower food’s carbon footprint while providing people with the nourishment they need.</p> <div id="attachment_117285" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117285" class="size-full wp-image-117285" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1613.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1613.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1613.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1613.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1613.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_1GT1613.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117285" class="wp-caption-text">Fei Luo speaks at Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. (Photo: Gilberto Tadday / TED)</p></div> <p><span style="font-weight: 400">From cosmetics to nutrition, collagen is used in many ways — but how it’s sourced from animals is ethically questionable and unsustainable, says </span><b>Fei Luo</b><span style="font-weight: 400">, chemical engineer and CEO of Liven Proteins, a precision fermentation protein company. She delves into the groundbreaking technology of brewing animal-free collagen, which could pave the way for a functional, tasty and harm-free collagen future.</span></p> <div id="attachment_117286" style="width: 910px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-117286" class="size-full wp-image-117286" src="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT2148.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="600" srcset="https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT2148.jpg 1200w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT2148.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT2148.jpg?resize=250,167 250w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT2148.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https://blog.ted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/Countdown_Dilemma_20240606_2GT2148.jpg?resize=530,353 530w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /><p id="caption-attachment-117286" class="wp-caption-text">Uma Valeti speaks at Session 2 of TED Countdown 2024 Dilemma Series: The future of food, at the TED World Theater in New York City on June 6, 2024. 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