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I present the following reasons in point form: </p> <ul><li>The Manual of Style indicates that monarch should be styled in the form "Name + Ordinal + of + Kingdom". Hugh's kingdom was Italy and he has no ordinal, being the only Hugh ever king of Italy.</li> <li>There is no reason that 'Hugh of Arles" should be used over "Hugh of Provence" except that the former is perhaps a little more common in the English literature.</li> <li>Consistency: some Italian kings seem to be left under their common names, while some appear properly as per the MoS. I will propose these moves on all pertinent pages for medieval Italian kings.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Srnec" title="User:Srnec">Srnec</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hugh_of_Italy#c-Srnec-2006-05-26T03:32:00.000Z-Move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Srnec-2006-05-26T03:32:00.000Z-Move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Srnec-2006-05-26T03:32:00.000Z-Move"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sister" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sister-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sister-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z"></span>Sister<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sister-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hugh_of_Italy&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Sister"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wjhonson-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z-Sister"></span>If there is some secondary source which is stating that she was Louis the Blind's "sister" it is grossly overstating it's sources. It is believed, based on deductions from other statements that she is possibly a daughter of Boso by some prior, unnamed wife or mistress. There is no contemporary source stating the relationship exactly. <a href="/wiki/User:Wjhonson" title="User:Wjhonson">Wjhonson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hugh_of_Italy#c-Wjhonson-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z-Sister" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wjhonson-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z-Sister"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wjhonson-2007-08-27T23:20:00.000Z-Sister"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inconsistency_in_Marriages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inconsistency_in_Marriages-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inconsistency_in_Marriages-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z"></span>Inconsistency in Marriages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inconsistency_in_Marriages-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hugh_of_Italy&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Inconsistency in Marriages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z-Inconsistency_in_Marriages"></span>For some reason, in the section "Second Marriage" it claims his second wife as Marozia, while the section underneath it, "Family", claims Marozia as his third wife, and Alda, who bore Lothair and Alda, as his second wife. Which one is correct? Was Marozia or Alda his second wife? <a href="/wiki/User:PutinOnTheRitz" title="User:PutinOnTheRitz">PutinOnTheRitz</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PutinOnTheRitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:PutinOnTheRitz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hugh_of_Italy#c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z-Inconsistency_in_Marriages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z-Inconsistency_in_Marriages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:05:00.000Z-Inconsistency_in_Marriages"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lack_of_Sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lack_of_Sources-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lack_of_Sources-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z"></span>Lack of Sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lack_of_Sources-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hugh_of_Italy&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Lack of Sources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z-Lack_of_Sources"></span>Also, I would like to bring people's attention to the great lack of sources for the sections "Second Marriage" and "Family". <a href="/wiki/User:PutinOnTheRitz" title="User:PutinOnTheRitz">PutinOnTheRitz</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PutinOnTheRitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:PutinOnTheRitz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hugh_of_Italy#c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z-Lack_of_Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z-Lack_of_Sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z-Lack_of_Sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PWilkinson-2016-04-01T23:16:00.000Z-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z"></span>The text in the "Second Marriage" section seems to be almost unchanged from when I wrote the original version of the article over ten years ago (though the division of the article into sections has been done by someone else since then). My sources (or at least the main ones) are in fact listed in the article - they are the Llewellyn and Riché entries in the "Sources" section. This was well within the sourcing standards of that time - these were distinctly less strict than today, and use of inline citations was still fairly uncommon. I think I still have the books around and should be able to provide inline citations when I find them, but I am busy with other things and this may take a while. The "Family" section seems to have been written by other people later, but may well be right about the number of marriages - while (from what I remember) both the sources I was using spent several pages discussing Hugh, both were doing so in the context of other topics and may have missed out biographical details irrelevant to their main concerns. <a href="/wiki/User:PWilkinson" title="User:PWilkinson">PWilkinson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PWilkinson" title="User talk:PWilkinson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hugh_of_Italy#c-PWilkinson-2016-04-01T23:16:00.000Z-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 1 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PWilkinson-2016-04-01T23:16:00.000Z-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PWilkinson-2016-04-01T23:16:00.000Z-PutinOnTheRitz-2016-03-31T18:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hugh_of_Italy&oldid=1213576419">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hugh_of_Italy&oldid=1213576419</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_Italy_articles" title="Category:B-Class Italy articles">B-Class Italy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Italy_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Italy articles">Low-importance Italy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Italy_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Italy pages">All WikiProject Italy pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_biography_articles" title="Category:B-Class biography articles">B-Class biography articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_biography_(royalty)_articles" title="Category:B-Class biography (royalty) articles">B-Class biography (royalty) articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_biography_(royalty)_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance biography (royalty) articles">Unknown-importance biography (royalty) articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Royalty_work_group_articles" title="Category:Royalty work group articles">Royalty work group articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Biography_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Biography articles">WikiProject Biography articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_Middle_Ages_articles" title="Category:B-Class Middle Ages articles">B-Class Middle Ages articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Middle_Ages_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Middle Ages articles">Low-importance Middle Ages articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_history_articles" title="Category:B-Class history articles">B-Class history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Middle_Ages_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Middle Ages pages">All WikiProject Middle Ages pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 13 March 2024, at 21:42<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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